So I was looking at the coyotes, just to add to what you're talking about. Their whole decor needs to be resigned, but it's mostly RFAs. I was expecting to look at their roster, and most guys were on expiring deals. That's not the case. A lot of those guys are stuck. They're stuck in their deal, and they're going to have to follow the coyotes wherever they end up.

That's right.

And those are people with families, man.

There's a lot of incredible information. And also, I asked Alan about the Smith Entertainment Group as well. What do we think about them? What are they going to do? Because it's not like the coyotes are walking into a perfect situation in Salt Lake. There's going to be abstracted view, 13,000 max capacity for a hockey rink, but there's- Still not great. It's not... It's 8,000. It's better. It's 8,000 more than 5,000. It's a lot better. But I think that the long term strategy there is interesting because obviously, not only are we moving the team to Utah, and they will get a new arena. We'll get into that. But there is a right that Miurello is likely to hold where he can, quote, reactivate the franchise within five years. So Arizona now becomes, and CJ has been saying this for years, becomes the most likely expansion franchise in the NHL as soon as they move.

They literally just need a place to play that makes sense.

That's right. That's right. Houston is already is up there as well. Atlanta, obviously, has two very interested groups.

One of the things C. J. Said on the show, and you should listen to the whole thing, is the building in Glendale is fine. It's fine. It's just that it's in freaking Glendale. It's just far away from their fan base. I don't know, do you want to drive an hour, hour and a half from wherever you're at, or do you want to not do that and just sit at home?

Yeah.

It's an easy choice for most people.

Something we did not talk about on the show, but I think you guys would find interesting is Frank Cervales said earlier this season, that coyotes were not paying their hotel bills, and hotels around the league banded together and demanded the coyotes pay for their hotel stays up front with a certified check. What? So I have heard the same, and I can tell you one of the things I've heard throughout the season about the coyotes with this hotel room issue that I've known about is that the league had to step in.

No way. What? And cover the bill?

They had to force them to pay.

Dude. This is why- I don't know what the reasoning is for not paying the bill, but the reality is that this is a thing that happened.

It's widely known throughout the NHL that it happened. And It follows up a tweet that I think will make a lot more sense. People took this tweet as offensive to Arizona Hockey, and it shouldn't be. Andy Strickland, who's known from the... Well, Cam and Strick podcast. He said, The problem in Arizona is the ownership and business management group have fractured too many relationships in the market. No one appears to be interested in helping them, and visiting teams are done playing in a youth hockey auditorium. Andy's right, especially on the ownership side with fractured relationships. This creates an issue because when you look at it like a very basic thing, like not paying your hotel room bills, it's a small thing. At the end of the day, it's small potatoes when we're talking about billions of dollars. But it's a big thing when you talk about reputation. And so if the NHL is really, and we still don't know that this is going to happen, we're about 90% of the way there. If the NHL is going to do this and give Miurela the rights back to reactivate the franchise by 2030 or whatever it's going to be, we have to take this into consideration.

They were not paying basic bills. They didn't pay the tax bill in Hela, I think. No. Remember, they didn't pay the tax bill?

Yeah, Mike Stevens had that article.

He broke that three years ago. Two or three years. Now we know that they weren't paying their hotel room bills. I'm sure there are other bills. You When you start to extrapolate, are there other bills that are outstanding? And so when you hear that as a business, even if the hotel stay is $20,000 and you know that this company is worth billions or hundreds of millions, you start to think, why would I get into bigger business with you if you can't do the small business right? And that is going to be a hitch in the gitty up for Arizona going forward. And I think that is something that the Bettman and the League have really got to pay attention to because they've been so successful with the Vegas and the Seattle expansion groups. This is going to be one of those where they go back and you go back with this group who's known for these things, you could be setting yourself back. I don't know. I don't know that it won't be different next time, but you do have to raise your eyebrows and have a little concern with that.

At what point do we have the conversation? Listen, I know the Canadian media and just Canadians in general. Listen, I know Canadians can be very gatekeepy about hockey, and it's unfair, and it's not productive, and it's not helpful. But a lot of Canadians and Canadian media have been made out to be the bad guy with a lot of this coyote stuff. At what point do we all just point the finger and say coyote's ownership completely sold snake oil by the gallon to their own fan base, their own fans, who will not react well to you saying that, by the way. I don't give a shit. It's the truth. It's the truth. I have not made a single phone call to any of my Illuminati friends saying, Fuck over the Arizona coyotes.

All right? So you admit it? Yeah, I admit it. You are a member. We do.

Dude, it's this owner, and they keep Basically, shit posting from their official Twitter account, and we're staying, and they're posting what is essentially propaganda. Hey, we're doing this, and we're doing that. We're talking hours later, not days, not weeks, hours after posting another community college fucking application video. Oh, they're going. They're moving, potentially, or there's a very good chance. And then they're having to post their little frigging British Petroleum South Park. Sorry. We're sorry. We know this sucks for you. Dude, they lied to their fans. So there's a reality. I don't think it's going to end up this way. I don't think it should end up this way. I hope it doesn't end up this way. Hockey is going to work in Arizona. Hockey works in Arizona.

Matthew Nies and Austin Matthews.

Hockey works in Arizona.

It's fine. If Matthew is in your name- It's the NHL that doesn't work there. Yeah. Well, so far, so far.

Now, the team goes back and it's in an arena that's in a place that makes sense. There are going to be fans who are like, You know what? But fuck you anyway, because you lied to me. You lied to me. You got me to ra-ra and do this and do that and stick up for you here and vote here and do do this and do that. And the whole time, the whole time, you were just going to fuck off to Utah. You stink. The owners did wrong by the fans. They played them for foolish, and they should be ashamed of themselves for that. That's not how you treat your paying customers, and it's definitely not how you bring in new ones. They lied to them. Forget Canada, forget any other hockey market, forget any of the gatekeepers of the sport. To their own fans, and that's wrong.