Michael Yond, welcome to the show, man.

Thanks for having me on. I just got in from the Darien gap and up in beautiful Tennessee now.

Yeah, I'm sure this is quite the change of scenery for you.

It is. I mean, yeah, literally just the other day or two days ago, we're surrounded by NGOs like IO M, international organization for migration, the main engine of the invasion, man.

Well, we got a lot to talk about today. Me and you have been going back and forth for what, about six months now. So I just want to say thank you for finally getting here and sitting down. I know you have a lot to educate the american people on, and I'm dying to get into this.

You have no idea how many people send me messages. You got to go with Sean. I'm like, we're trying. I'm in the jungle. He's got new family members, things going on.

I will get down there with you shortly, but just got to let my kids get just a little bit older, but yeah. So in this interview, I want to cover the Darien gap, obviously. What is it? What's going on down there? I know you have some stuff to talk about with the border, with the famine, the oncoming famine that you're saying is coming. And so I want to just divulge into all of that stuff and get it all out there and educate the audience. But let me give you a quick introduction here.

Michael Yon, former Green Beret american writer and photographer.

You've lived most of your life overseas.

Traveling or living in among almost 100 different countries.

Man, that's a lot of countries. Served in special forces in the early.

80S, became a writer in the 1990s. Reported from Iraq and Afghanistan.

You've been doing that since December of 2004. Author of Moment of Truth in Iraq.

You've authored six books, including three on.

Chinese information War, which I love talking about what's going on between us and China and how that affects us.

Reported on the ground from the 2019 Hong Kong protest. Goes on. Started getting into reporting on Iraq after.

Attending many friends funerals, where people said what is being portrayed in the media.

Is not actually what's happening there.

Thank you for doing that. International trips to report from Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Canada, Singapore, Bahrain, the Philippines, zidarian gap. The list goes on. My favorite piece of information about you is that you provided security for the infamous pop star Michael Jackson.

The Michael.

The Michael. So, man, I'll bet you got some stories from, huh?

Actually, all I did was my calculus homework at Neverland, right? I was just learning derivatives and that sort of thing. I mentioned to you a story when I was in Afghanistan after Michael Jackson died, I went out to this village. It was one of those remote villages like 50 miles beyond the electrical line, right? There's the tree line and then there's the electrical line. So I'm out there and I was with the village chief. I said, do you know Michael Jackson died? He's like, oh, the Michael.

Yeah.

Yes, we know. The Michael starts doing the beard thing that, you know, they know. Yes, the Michael. Please tell your people we cry 1 million posh tune tears for the Michael. They love Michael Jackson. They're out there moonwalking, the children. Everywhere I go, whether it's the darian gap or some remote village in Afghanistan or Nepal, everybody wants to do the moonwalk.

The children, of course, everybody knows Jackson, right?

Yep.

But. Well, Michael, before we get into the Darien gap and everything that you've got to push out about that, everybody gets.

A gift on the shelf. Thank you, sir. There you go. Should I open it now or later?

Go ahead, open it up.

Oh, gummy bears. I was told you love to hand out gummy bears.

Gummy bears. Vigilance league gummy bears. Legal in all 50 states. Believe it or not. It's just candy made right here in the USA.

Right?

You can't say about married many things these days, right?

Yeah. Made in the USA. Like we are speaking of made in the USA. Thank you, sir.

You're welcome.

Made in the USA. You were a Navy Seal? I grew up with Scott Helenston and we talked about my two friends that led me to the war. One was an old green Beret teammate, Richard Ferguson. He was killed in Iraq in March, maybe March 30, 2004, to crit. And within one day of that, Scott Helvenston was killed. Scott was the youngest Navy SeaL in history. Actually, I've said this before. He was 17 when he made it through all the buds and whatnot. And people say bullshit, but it actually was true. And we went to school together, we played football together, we worked out together, we chased girls together. He was again, like Goggins level crazy and fit. He was a super stud. And Scott made it into unbelievable. And so then unfortunately, he was killed in Fallujo. He was one of the blackwater contractors hanged off the bridge. And so I went to his funeral in Florida and I went to Fergie's funeral, my old Green Beret teammate. And actually I was one of the younger Green berets as well, at 19. So it was interesting because we went to the same high school and a lot of the people from that high school went off to delta or seals or whatever.

It was something about it. Like the coaches weren't any, like, there was no first and second and third place and all. It was first place and losers, right? That's it. And these were very serious coaches, very serious teachers. Military was revered, and just being an American was revered, and still that. So I went to the funerals. I went to Scott's funeral in Florida. And the seals that were there were war. The journalists are all lying about the war. There were journalists from all over the world at Scott's funeral. It was disgusting. And, I mean, hanging outside his mother's house, I was inside of his mother's house, and we were talking, and there was, like, literally somebody from Japan trying to shoot through the window and literally all over the world because it was so contentious at that time, right? And then I went to Fergie's funeral in Colorado, and there it was, a lot of green berets and that sort of thing. And again, they were saying, you should go to the war, and I'm not going to the war. It's quite dangerous, and I'm busy.

Right.

Doing other stuff. But then when Scott was killed in particular and his three friends at Blackwater, that's when the United States attacked Fallujah, of course. And then it caused a huge amount of people to flood into the war from Yemen and Morocco and Europe, everywhere who's who in the zoo. It was a Star wars cafe, showed up to the war. So if you look@icasualties.org you'll see the casualties just explode at that time. As that year unfolds. In 2004, I had another friend. We all went to school together. Scott was now gone, and another one was Rodney Morris. And we also played on the same football team with Scott, but he was the first ID provost marshal, first infantry division provost marshal, and he was calling me up every week, Michael, when are you coming to the war? And I'm like, rodney, I love you, brother, but I am not coming to the war. And finally it comes down to October of 2004, and Operation Phantom Fury starts to kick off on Fallujah again. Because remember, after the contractors, Scott was killed and then we attacked Fallujah, the war just exploded. And now to really teach him a lesson, we kicked off Operation Phantom Fury and flattened know really seriously that time.

And that's when I realized, hey, this is an, that's something. I just spent quite a bit of time out with the Maoist in Nepal and that sort of thing. I didn't write anything about it, but I spent a year in Nepal, so, I mean, I was watching these things, right? So that was when I said to Rodney Morris, the provost marshal that went to high school with, I said, okay, I'll come. And so I went in December of 2004, and immediately there was so much combat, I was actually surprised. In fact, at that point, I thought CNN was understating it. I mean, there was so many airstrikes going on and tracers flying up into the night and explosions in Baghdad. So the first thing I did was ask. I flew up to Takrit, where Rodney was, and I said, what unit do you have that's in the most combat that will let me go with them? So I went back down to Bakuba, and that's when it started. From then on, I just did as much combat as I could do, and I did it for know, at some point people were like, you're just an adrenaline junkie or a war junkie.

That doesn't fit the fact pattern. I did not go to the war until three years into it.

Right.

And then when I did go to it, I went full bore, as our type tend to do. And so that's how that all started, by the way. So people often wonder, but that's how.

It happened in the special ops community. It's a all or nothing way of life.

There's winners and there's losers.

That's right.

That's it. We don't get second place against World Economic Forum or the Chinese Communist Party. We either win or we die.

That's what's coming.

So, Michael, I know you've been down at the Darien gap several times.

How many times have you been down there?

Well, let's say how much time I've spent there at this point, because I've lost track of times. I noticed that with war correspondent work, too, by the people that tell you how many times they've been in the war. Haven't spent much time there, but since Biden was installed, I've been there probably six months. Six months. We would have to ask panamanian immigration how much time I've spent in Panama, but. So how many times have I been into the Darian? I don't know. At least 50. Quite a while. I was just down there with epoch times and Laura Loomer was there and Masako Ganaha from Japan, Mara Macy. We're starting to take groups down there that can call for fire on the NGOs.

Good for you. So before we get into what you're doing down there, can you give us a basic explanation of what the Darien gap is and why it's pertinent to what we're talking about.

Yeah.

The darian gap is one of the. Let's say, Panama. Let's widen that slightly to Panama. Panama is one of the most important pieces of land on earth to the United States. A lot of Americans don't get this. Our grandparents got it. For instance, Fort Clayton is the old US army south headquarters, and a lot of american veterans watching this will know exactly what we're talking about.

Right.

It's been taken over by more than five dozen NGOs, mostly un. But skipping past the details of that, that's been taken over by our enemies. Fort Clayton is literally one of the most important little postage stamp sized pieces of land on planet earth for Americans. Right outside the windows there of IOM headquarters, which is the international organization for Migration, which is the chief engine of the invasion, is right outside their office windows in building 110 is the mirror florist locks, the Panama Canal, and the Panama Canal Railway, which is also important. And the Thatcher ferry Bridge. The Thatcher ferry bridge is the bridge from highway one that goes down from the Darien gap, from the edge of the Darien gap all the way to Prudeau Bay, Alaska.

Right.

So in other words, once you get on highway one, after you emerge from the Darien gap, you get in busses straight to America, straight shot. So in other words, from the IOM headquarters, to repeat this, the Miraflorus locks are right there. You're watching ships go by. I'm watching them constantly because I rent a hotel right beside. Right. And there's the Panama Canal. There's the railway. There's the Thatcher ferry Bridge. This is amazingly important to the United States. And right behind you is the old US army south headquarters. And they've taken it literally. Our enemies have taken our headquarters. Jimmy Carter gave.

What I was. What I wanted to ask is, can you explain. Look, we are living in a very uneducated America these days, and so can you explain why it's such a strategic and important location for the US?

Right. Many reasons. One, location, location, location. Of course, the Panama Canal opened up in 1914, and that increased world trade dramatically.

Right.

And so 1914 was an important year for other things that we'll talk about later. So that's important. Our US Navy needs to be able to get between the seas. Otherwise, if Taiwan comes under attack and you need to shift naval forces, you need that canal to get through quickly.

Right.

That's one reason. Another reason is just the trade. I mean, a huge amount of. I can't even say how much trade goes through there now because it's dynamic. Like the Suez Canal and the Red Sea, issues have caused things to change. So the 6% or the 11% that you hear one month ago changes by the next time you're able to check. And so there's that. It's just a strategic location where you can influence or even control parts of South America, Central America and even North America. That's airstrike distance from the.

Right.

And so our missile strike distance as well. But also there's the connection with Colombia.

Right.

So Colombia is that northernmost country in South America. Actually, Panama used to be part of Colombia. In order to make the Panama Canal, we helped Panama separate off from Colombia.

Right.

So it became a separate. And so. But now with the darian gap, they call it the gap because highway one, the Pan american highway, which goes from Alaska all the way through it ends at a place called Yavitza. And Yavitza is where highway one ends. It picks up again about 60 miles later in a place called Turbo in Colombia.

Right.

And then from there, you can go all the way down to the tip of South America.

Right.

So except for that little part, you can drive all the way. And right now, Anne Vandersteel and I and others have just been down again to a bridge. They're going to open that road, this new bridge that they're building. They're opening up a pathway to Colombia. And she just made a little video with her gimbal and her iPhone, and it went viral in Panama. And the Panamanians were shocked that they're opening a highway to were, you know, when I first was telling panamanian people that last know, I was down there at the Darien gap at the edge, looking at the bridge. I go down there all the time because I sensed that they were going to open it up. But there was nothing in the panamanian news that I was able to find or anybody was able to find, but I kept expecting they were going to open something up. So almost every time I would go to the Darien gap, I would go to the end of the highway and look for just mud tracks or anything. And sure enough, I went down there, and suddenly there's a bunch of mud. And so I went, followed this little thing, and I like, hey, here it is.

They're building the bridge, whipped out the drone, droned it, and said, this is it. And so I went back up to Panama City and was talking to some people in the government and whatnot, and I was like, look who's building that bridge? Who's funding it? Nobody seems to know. They're like, there's no bridge being built there. I said, look at the mud on my boots. I was just there like 8 hours ago.

Do you have video of this?

Oh, yeah, I've got tons of video.

Can we put it up here?

Right, absolutely.

All right.

Absolutely. I've got drone footage that we just made ten days ago. Drone footage from last year.

What is the significance of opening that road on that sounds like it's a 60 miles gap.

Yeah.

Well, then you'll have an open path to South America, which means open shot for Panama is going to get lost. When I say lost, I mean taken. I mean, Panama is basically a country with a pork chop around its neck. And it's got a very professional centerfront. Centerfront is sort of like sort of their army, sort of their border patrol, sort of police. We don't have the equivalent. It's kind of all three. They're trained constantly by Navy SEALs, us, and also special forces. We just saw some of those down there again, and they've been training them for years, so they're very professional. When you go down there, I think you're going to be actually impressed with Cinefront. But they're not strong enough to defend Panama, not even close.

Right.

And they're very professional. They've got limited weapons. They don't have any rockets. They've got no anti aircraft. They've got no anti ship missiles. They just don't have the numbers. They're not going to be able to defend Panama. And so Panama, again, that incredibly important piece of real estate which can be and will be open to South America by land. And by the way, there's a book written by, it was actually clearly sponsored by Chinese, and it was co authored by a panamanian economist. And it talks about, it's a softball book, know, opening up the Darien and these sorts of things. And you can see the bioceanic corridor map and all these different maps. These are terms people probably aren't familiar with. But the bottom line is the BRI, the Belt and Road initiative is something that will go right through Panama. And this is vital, actually. It ends up going right through. People were just asking me yesterday, why is Biden going to Brownsville, Texas? Because it's on the I 69 corridor. That corridor is part of the corridor that also will go through the Darian gap, actually, bioceanic corridor and all these different things.

It's all about energy, it's all about routes, old spice routes, old Silk Road, all these things. Nothing has changed, really. The important routes are the same, actually. That's why I often will leave Panama and go to Netherlands, because Netherlands is another key piece of, vital piece of terrain.

Right.

You see the railway that's been built from Shanghai and other feeders in China. I've been to that end of it in Shanghai. I spent a lot of time, I spent about a year in and around China. But there's a railway now that's been completed, goes all the way across Asia and Europe, and it goes right through Netherlands to Rotterdam harbor. Rotterdam harbor is the biggest harbor in Europe and just south. So the railway goes. So you're already filling in the blanks. And so it's the biggest harbor in Europe.

Major trade routes, they are infiltrating all the major trade routes throughout the world.

So when you see where I'm at, it's trade routes. That's where they're using this weaponized migration. They're focusing them on key places of the trade route. Brownsville. Why did Biden go there? Well, why does Governor Abbott constantly go to McAllen? It's along the I 69 corridor, which is part of these trade routes. And it goes all the way up to Detroit, where World economic Forum also has a headquarters.

Right.

Not a coincidence. And those feeders come up from New Orleans. So when you look at that map, you can already see a lot of the place. So let's get back to Netherlands. Just south of Rotterdam harbor is Antwerp harbor in Belgium, the second largest harbor in Europe. You control those two bad boys, and you've. So now they're trying to build, working on something called Tri state city in Netherlands, Germany and Belgium. They call it Tri state because it's the three states of Netherlands, Germany and Belgium. Most of Netherlands, part of Germany and part of Belgium will be this giant, smart city that the World Economic Forum and CCP have envisioned. Now, every time I say this on a major show like yours, you'll see the west guys come out and say, that's conspiracy theory. And I'll say, well, here it is on your website.

Right.

You know how this. So they want to build this giant and they're working on it. Tri State City, smart city. And so they're really hitting Netherlands and whatnot with these weaponized migration.

Right.

The weaponized migration is one of the tools that they're bringing to bear. Now, let's talk about trade routes and energy, right? So a lot of this hold up.

Before we go into trade routes and energy, let's go back to the darian gap.

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Not really congregating. They just pass through. Pass through.

Okay.

I mean, right now, when we just left, it was about 3000 a day, right?

3000 what?

Aliens coming through per day. And that would be mostly Venezuelans, hundreds of Chinese per day, Afghans every day. Just who's who in the zoo. 150 different countries. Yemenis, of course. Iom has an office in Yemen. We're starting to bomb Yemen, of course. Guarantee there'll be an increased number of tons of Arabs. You got to keep in mind, in Venezuela, there's a lot of hespala.

Right.

Actually, there was a bombing in 1994 in Panama, and there was an airliner or a small flight going from Cologne to Panama city and killed 22, I think, including twelve jewish people.

Right.

And then within 24 hours of that, there was a bombing in Argentina. Killed 85 and wounded about 300. So about 385 casualties.

Right.

And so those were Hespala, the Hespala mastermind. And the Panama bombing is believed to live in Venezuela and owns a bar on Margarita island.

Right.

I mean, people know where he lives. He owns a bar down there, but he's still operating. And the Russians and the Chinese and the Iranians have very close relationships with Venezuela. So Iranians can literally pop in there and get a new passport on arrival, not a visa, passport.

Right.

And you've got also Hespala there in Venezuela who speak Spanish fluently because they were raised in Venezuela. There's a village in Lebanon where they speak Spanish. I think it's called Baal.

Right.

I'm sorry, I've forgotten how to spell it.

I'm not familiar with that.

Yep.

They speak Spanish. You can look on YouTube and you can see the people in the village literally speaking.

Are they. Why are all of these. I definitely understand why China is obviously there to take control of the canal, of the trade route. Correct?

Yep.

Is that why Russia's there?

Russia has always an influence. They're serious players but their influence is nothing like know the difference is quite. And, you know, again, I've spent a year in and around China watching. I've written three books on chinese information war that are actually only in Japanese. I didn't even publish them for an american audience. I've been trying to wake up Japanese for years because they're a vital partner for us as well. But the Chinese are doing so many things. For instance, they're interested in building a canal in Thailand on something called the craw ismus. I've been down there researching that ten years ago. They're buying property down there. They're setting conditions to make that canal that'll allow them to bypass the Malacca Straits and that sort of thing. So a lot of this is about old silk routes and spice routes. For instance, you see the IndoEuropean corridor that almost nobody has heard about.

Right.

The Indo european corridor is a new idea. Or at least it's a new idea that people are energizing that will go from Mumbai over to UAE through Saudi and Jordan and then come out through Israel, in Gaza, in Haifa.

Right.

And then off to Europe.

Right.

Interesting. So they were talking about this before the attack, before these things happened on October 7. And the costa rican president and the panamanian president flew down in helicopters to one of the major camps called Las Blancas. In fact, they just made some new LZs. You can see on my drone footage before and after they put up these helicopter LZs. They landed there. They announced that they're expanding the darian gap. They're expanding from 60 busses to about 200 busses. So when I come back to the United States and I say, well, I think they're going to at least triple the number of people coming through. It's not a random thought. I mean, you can do the math from 60 to 200 busses, but in fact we're watching infrastructure being built in the jungle, which could make it 510 times more. But they've already increased the number of busses now. But the bottom line is when I.

Say these, the number of busses to do what? What are the busses?

Oh, these busses for the people who emerge from the Darian gap. I'm sorry, I missed that part. I'm down there so much, I forget what people actually are not dialed in. People, as they make it through the darian gap, they get on busses. They go to two major camps after they get out. One's called Las Blancas and the other one's called San Vicente. San Vicente is the one I call China camp. China camp is the one that Mayorkas went to. Alexander or Alex Mayorkas went to on April 18, 2022. I had waited for him for four days. He came down and four Blackhawks landed right in front of me. I didn't actually know he was going there. Somebody told me he was coming to Panama. So I went down there and I waited. I said, well, if he comes, I bet he'll land BlackhAwks right here. And he did. And so when he landed, he went, like this far from me, right after he got out of the helicopters, got in those armored vehicles, and they went to China camp. Now, interestingly, Alex Mayorkas used to be a board member on something called Hyas. Hyas is the Hebrew immigrant aid society.

Right?

Now, Mayorkas himself the secretary of homeland security, he is a cuban refugee himself of jewish parents, right? Mother and father. And now he actually was a board member on Hyas, which is the hebrew Immigrant aid Society. Now, people got angry at me and said, oh, you're becoming anti Semit or clown out. I don't care. Say whatever you're going to say. Bottom line is I've been attacking catholic charities for years, right? But it happens to be he was a board member on highest. Actually, the person that dialed me in on that was Douglas McGregor. He said, you know, he was a board member. Alexander Mayorkas was a board member on Hyas, and you can see it on the highest.org website. They congratulate him for getting the job at Homeland Security. So he moved over. They've got an office 40 meters from the front gate of Hyas, has an office 40 meters from the front gate of China camp. Literally. Hyas, who has a long list of donors on their website, hyas.org. They're literally using jewish money to bring people in from place like Hespalah. You can't make up this stuff. So when I said that at a speech in Texas recently, people said, oh, you're anti Semite.

I'm like, here's the bottom line. When they start shooting up synagogues and golf courses in Florida, and this people that came through the Darien gap. Then you'll start to wonder, how did they get through? And I'll say Hyas was one of them, right. And so shut them down. So there's a lot of heat coming on Hyas now. We were just down there again. They've taken the signs off their gate. They had a big highest sign on their gate. They've now taken it down. They know that. They're being watched now very closely. But the bottom line is these NGOs, like Hyas, like catholic charities, like IoM, all these people, UN in general, they are taking over countries. Remember when the crazy people used to say that? Well, it turns out the crazy people are right. I used to think they were crazy. Now I just think they were smarter than I am. I mean, because they saw it. They saw this decades ago that the UN was going to do this, and it always sounded crazy. And it's not because they're clearly doing that to Panama. They're clearly trying to, for instance, remove the center front commander and get somebody installed.

That is from one of the NGOs. They've already done it to the Department of Homeland Security. They've got, Alex Mayorkas is the chief there, and he brought money to that camp at San Vicente. You'll see it. The before and after footage of the China camp San Vicente camp is phenomenal. It's a huge difference.

Do you have the before and after footage?

I'll give it to you. It's downstairs.

Thank you. So China's there for a multitude of reasons. One, to control the trade route. Russia's there, it sounds like, just to have a presence. Why are so many middle eastern terrorist organizations passing through the Darien gap? Why wouldn't they just fly into Tijuana or El Paso and just run through the border? What's, what's the draw?

A very good question. A lot of them do fly in. Same with Chinese. A lot do, actually. And then a lot. They just can't get through for whatever reason. But everybody knows you can get through. If you can get your feet anywhere in South America, you can get anywhere in the United States. It's easy at this point. It's a function of money. That's all it is. And so if you've got the money, it's easy. Follow the ant trail.

So why are they going to the Darien gap, though? That's what I'm asking.

Because it's a route that you can get. Can, and again, people, let's say Chinese, they can get to Ecuador, Keto. They'll fly to Keto. Ecuador, there's whole hotels they've taken over now in Quito.

Right.

And along the way in Colombia as well, in the cochle and other places.

Right.

So they have taken over. Well, if you can get to, like, for instance, a lot of the Africans can get into Brazil. Haitians can get into Suriname. In Brazil, a lot of Haitians were already in Chile due to various reasons. So a lot of people either started down there or started down there years ago, or you can just get there. For instance, Venezuela will let you in.

Okay, so you're saying that maybe some of these middle eastern terrorist organizations are having problem getting into just Mexico in general through some type of integration process. So it's easier for them to get in down in the Darien gap.

That's right.

What you're saying?

Yeah. Like Venezuela will let Iranians come in.

Okay.

And so that's basically.

They'Re not coming to the Darien gap. They're going all over South America. They're finding the easiest countries to infiltrate down there so that they can funnel up into the US.

Oh, they would definitely prefer to fly straight to New York, but this is the way that some people can get in. Some people, like some of the Chinese, can fly straight to Mexico because they can get a visa. And so they'll fly. A lot of them go to Cancun. And so they meet their snakeheads in snakehead. We call them coyotes. Coyotes. But in Mandarin they call them snakeheads. So there's snakeheads in Mexico City. There's snakeheads in, Tapachula is the southernmost city in Mexico. It's on the Guatemala border. I've been there.

Right.

And it's like their El Paso. And so there's snakeheads there. There's snakeheads in Cancun. So you got some Chinese that will literally fly to Cancun and they'll go on vacation, like, chill out. And then you'll see them come across at Yuma or whatever, right. And you'll see the Chinese coming across at Yuma or San Diego or mean, I've been all the way across the US border from SpaceX to San Diego, much of that on the mexican side and on the entire american side.

Right.

And so, I mean, I'm quite familiar with that border, and I've seen a lot of Chinese come across that look like they just got off an haven't. Their cheeks aren't drawn in from going through the Darien gap or some long trip.

Right.

But even the Chinese, keep in mind the darian gap is not the same for everybody. Some people take the hard route. Actually, right now, Oscar Blue is out there with Matt Tomlett. They literally landed by helicopter yesterday. They're okay with me saying this because by the time this airs, they'll be out. They're right by the colombian border. Right now they're actually reconning one of the new routes that the Chinese are using. I can say that now. I'm saying this with permission because again, by the time this airs, they're out. But in fact, I'm tracking their icons. I was just looking at earlier before we went on, they're deep in the jungle. It's a new route, but there's hard routes and there's easy routes. The hard route is like you go from Nicocli, Columbia, which I've done this, you get on a boat, you go to Capargana, or that's one of the main places, Capra, Ghana, and then you enter the darian gap there, which I've done. I didn't go very far in, but I went there with Chuck Holton and Masako Ganaha. We didn't go very far, but we went in enough to see the entrance.

Right.

Then we came around and went to the Panama side. But that's the hard route. It goes over what's called the mountain of death and the four crossings and all this. That's where you take the high casualties.

Right.

Then there's easier routes that the chinese and many Syrians as well, and others, and Afghans as well, actually, they'll take an easier. Many of the Afghans take the hard route, but others have a lot of money somehow, and they take the easy route. And so you get on these boats and you go to places like Carto and you go to places like Anachukana. I've been to all these places. That's with the Kuna Indians. You land, and then they only have about two days to go through the jungle. And it's easy. The Indians carry your bags. Nobody gets raped or killed on that route because they pay so much money. So those routes are quite safe. Although when Anne Vandersteel and I were just down there on this last trip, that route was closed temporarily because a couple of boats capsized and nine Afghans were killed. So that route was temporarily closed because the seas were so high. But when it's closed, it doesn't stop people from coming. They either just wait or they take one of the other routes.

Okay, how are you received down there? Do you have a cover or you just.

Everybody knows who I am. Everybody knows everybody knows who I am. I'm out with the Indians all the time. I'm out with Imbra Indians, Wunan Indians a little bit, and Kuna Indians. They all know me. In fact, again, this morning I got a message from, actually, while we were together, I got a message from one of the Kuna. From the Kuna Indian. Sorry, Embra Indian. Mayor Francisco Agape. He's the mayor of 29 villages of Embra Wunan and that what they call Comarca, which is a reservation. So most of the villages that the aliens come through are his villages.

Right.

So we've actually had him up in Washington. Tod Benzman helped get him up there and we had him talking with congressmen. And so we've had him to the United. He speaks English fluently. He actually went to school in Oregon in that crazy place and then actually went back to Darien Gap where it was. Know, you can't make up this stuff. Everybody's talking about how dangerous Darien is, but he would rather be back in Darien than actually in Oregon.

Interesting. I've actually heard that the Darien gap is one of the most dangerous places on the planet.

It's dangerous if you're crossing. It's dangerous if people don't want you there. Those Indians can't. I mean, the Indians I'm out with all the time. There's a lot of firefights out there. There's the center fronts out there getting into contact all the time. But that's on the routes where they pay less money. Now, when there's so many people coming in, like 3000 a day, the aliens coming in reach predator saturation.

Right?

So there's more people coming in than the predators have a chance to do anything about it. So most of the people end up getting through without getting raped or robbed. When you're coming through thousands at a time because there's just not enough robbers and rapists, right.

This bridge that they're building, how big is this bridge? How many lanes?

I don't know yet.

How much construction is being built on it? Is this like, equivalent to the amount of infrastructure that China's putting into Africa? Building four eight lane highways?

You'll be able to get tanks over mean. Because one thing that I was waiting for was for them to start putting the abutments in so I could photograph them and send them back to some engineers, which I've done.

Is China building the road?

Nobody says who's putting the money in it. So it indicates to me it's China because China has a way of doing this right. So when I keep asking government people, who's actually paying for this or nobody.

Seems to know, nobody knows who's paying for the bridge?

I'm sure somebody knows, but they're not coming off with it.

How active is the construction?

Oh, very active. I literally was just down there and making video over the shoulder of the construction foreman looking at the Panama they.

Let mean, does this look similar to here in the US? If somebody's building an overpass?

They work harder down in Panama.

You know what I'm saying, though? Is there excavators, concrete trucks, tons of construction work?

They're actively building it. They're building at least two bridges, possibly three.

So it's a major project.

Oh, yeah.

This isn't like some sticks.

No, it's not a river nearby crossing. There are some of those, but let me tell you how those work. And when you come down, you're going to see it. Okay? This is one that you'll be able to drive tanks over. You'll see the abutments. I'll give you the photos and whatnot, or just bring it and show you. But this is for very heavy stuff. But when we asked the people building the bridge, the foreman, he's like, oh, it's for Yuka. For yuka food. Yuka, like a T 72 yuka. I don't know, but whatever. It's clearly going to be big enough for tanks. I'm not saying that that's what they're going to use. I'm just saying it's going to be big enough to take those trees out of the jungle, because those trees in the darian gap are probably worth billions of dollars. So let's get to that. Now, the Chinese, every year they rebuild a lot of these small, like, sort of sticks bridges because they're constantly cutting the trees down, even in rainy season. And then when the rainy season comes, it blows out all these little bridges, right? And so the Chinese come and they rebuild the bridges every year.

And that's part of how they get the trees from the Indians. Because the Indians want the bridges open.

Right.

And then the Indians sell the trees for $20 each, except for the coca cola trees, which are like $2,000 per ton.

Right.

But there's trees out there that are probably worth a million dollars each, like the black ebony trees and whatnot. But keep in mind, trees are like drugs.

Right.

And they are worth a lot more upstream. Right. In other words, if you have a really high quality some of these trees that they have out there, when you make chess pieces out of it and sell those things. This thing's worth a lot of money. It's like ivory, right? It's like drugs. Now to the Indians, they're like, yeah, we got all these trees, millions and millions of trees, $20 or for the more expensive ones, the coca bola, $2,000 per ton. But again, down range, once you get these things out on the ships where they make stuff out of them, or back to China or to the Middle east where people can use these things for furniture, those trees are worth a lot of money. So keep that in mind. As you're building this highway through the darian gap, you're also building access to more of the trees. I've got somebody going down there today, actually finding the head of one of the trails where they're doing more logging this year. The dry season is just.

So how long have you said you've been going down there?

I started immediately after Biden was installed.

Three years.

Yep. I was in Washington for the inauguration. And you saw how quickly they put up those trees. Right. I'm not the trees. How quickly they put up those fences. Right. So immediately, Chuck Holden and Masako Ganaha and I flew right to El Paso because we thought that they would start flooding over the border from Mexico to El Paso. And they were. And the border patrol is like, wow, he's only been in office for like 48 hours, and we're getting overwhelmed. And we were seeing it.

Right.

And then we flew down to Colombia and we went to the darian gap on the colombian side. And then I started going to Panama constantly because I'm like, this is it. This is where they're going to run, right up the middle. So I started going to spending a lot of time there developing networks and situational awareness, figuring this out. Are they going to build a bridge here? Yeah, I thought they would. That's why I'm constantly reconning for the bridge. And they just started. The bridge mean not just a bridge but a pathway to Colombia.

Right.

So where I'm going with this is how much have you seen the infrastructure develop down there, especially when it comes to the chinese side in three years.

Now for just the darian gap, for the, it's got to be in the last two weeks, I would say five times more.

What did you see when you first started going there?

When I first started going there, I went to a place called Bajo Chiquito.

Right.

And keep in mind it was not very open. I had to do the get, make friends with Indians and that sort of thing. I found the chief, Francisco. Got to know him, and he's like, well, you should come to Bayo Chiquito. So it's just me. I'm out with the Indians all the time. So mostly for those about six months I've spent down there, it's been mostly me alone, basically setting conditions to bring people down. So you see all these journalists down there now, like Ben Berkwam and Oscar Blue and epoch Times and Bret Weinstein Abraham. It was me setting the Runway to bring them all down. So what did I see back then? I saw Baju Chiquito. This village, about 3 hours by dugout canoe up into the darian gap was just, like, overrun. There's 403 people in that village at that time, according to their census of Embro Indians. And sometimes there would be at least equal that number of aliens or double.

Right.

Crap everywhere. I mean, feces everywhere. Like, terrible. No water supplies, literally at that point. I went out with Chuck Holton a couple of times when he would come down with me, and I said, what do you think the fatality rate is of people coming through on this route? And I didn't want to load the answer. And he said, maybe 10%. That's what I had written down. I said, I don't know, 712. I was like, because that's based on talking with just so many people coming through, how many bodies they were seeing, how many rapes and murders they were seeing, how many people were falling off the mountain of death or drowning, washing down the river, wrapped up in their tents. And a lot of these people never been by any rivers. They come from cities. They don't know what a flash flood is. That's a rainforest, right? And it's in the mountains. You cross the continental divide. When you come through the mountain of death, out in the darian gap is the continental divide, right. Okay, so you're crossing the continental divide, and they sleep. The easiest places to sleep are by the rivers. You know how this plays out.

You're a navy seal. It doesn't play out well in a rainforest, right? So you end up one time, one group that was coming through it was 40 people, and 20 died, 50%.

What does the infrastructure look like now?

For instance, the Indians, they used to have, like, 15 hp engines. Now most of them have 30. By the way, every boat that I've ever seen in the jungle is all piraguas, not a shred of fiberglass. A piragua is a dugout canoe. They literally chop down a sizable enough tree, it takes them like a month, and they hollow that thing out. And then they literally make it usually right where it lands, the first part of it anyway. And then they put an engine on them. And if you look at the old, like, I found an old painting from about, I don't know, 160, 70 years ago, and it's got a piragua out in the jungle in Panama. They look exactly the same, except now they have a motor, right? And so one of the ways that the infrastructure has increased is just going from 15 hp engines to 30, which is a big deal. Sometimes the people can do two trips a day with those instead of one.

Right?

So, I mean, there's all these little things that are incremental. There's a lot more piraguas now than there were before. The NGOs have made water facilities there. Right now they're building two new camps out, or actually three in the jungle that we know of. One is at Bajo Chiquito village. We were just at it, like, ten days ago. There's another near Bajo Chiquito village which is going to, I don't know, be big enough for maybe 15,000 people per day.

Right.

It's quite large. And I'll give you that drone footage and footage from the ground. And then on a completely different river, that's called the Rio Terquesa, on a completely different river, the Rio Membrillo, that we call that the China route, they're building another new camp out there as well. I mean, you're going to be able to, I would say, at least increase by five.

This went. This started out as camps with almost no infrastructure, no sewage, no running water, none of that. And now the infrastructure is camps that hold thousands of people.

Yeah, but they're more pass through.

What's going on inside these camps?

Well, they limp in from out of the jungle, except for the chinese route. And they come in smiling a lot of times out of that route and because it's an easier route. And you should see some of the videos. I'll give them to you. It's like a vacation video for Chinese. It's like, here we are getting on the boat at Nicokli. Here we are. Here we are with the friendly Indians and getting in a know, they actually have horses, carry some of their stuff on the easy route. But what's it like on the Bajo Chiquito now, the rivers are their sewers, right? So they don't really have toilets per se. They did just put in some outhouses, which stink terribly, but in reality, they mostly use the river, right? So almost everybody just defecates in the rivers.

Reason I'm asking is I want to know what the growth is like with the interest in the darian gap. That's what I'm getting at. The growth on the growth of the infrastructure and the three years that you've.

Been going, I would say at least five times bigger. Let's not just talk bigger, but also there is faster, so it's more efficient. As an example, in the past when you would come through Baja Chiquito, often you might be stuck there for a week, right, or even two weeks. I mean, I would be out there and people would be like, yeah, I've been waiting for a boat for twelve days or whatever. And they're like, I want to get on. There wasn't enough piragwas, now there are, right? So when you come out of the jungle, you sign in and a lot of people don't even have IDs, nobody knows who they are. They lost them in the jungle or they didn't bring them to begin with, right? And so now you get on a pria, the dugout canoe, you go about 3 hours. So you can literally come out of the jungle and get on a pridagua that day if you get the timing right. But if not, you spend the night and you go the next morning, right? So it used to be you might be stuck there for a week or more, but now you come out of the jungle, check in, go bathe in the river, get on a Peragua, even if it's the next morning.

Now you go to La Haas Blancas camp. Las Blancas camp is the next camp. Again, you used to be stuck there for a week, two weeks. Now you get out of the piragua, you can get on that bus. So it's more of a bus station than a camp now. The only people that get stuck there now are people that don't have money for the bus and they'll keep them there. It's $60 now for the bus from Las Blancas up to inside Costa Rica.

So these are just basically holding camps.

Holding just long enough to get on the bus. In reality, for a lot of people, we still call them camps, but in reality, to be accurate on the words, we should really start calling them bus stations camps. It's camp for some people or overnight place, depending on what time of day you come. But in reality, the busses are running 24/7 you can get out the same day and you probably will once you get out. It's just so much faster now it used to take, if you got to Colombia, let's say you fly to Bogota. Like, there's people that fly from Istanbul to Bogota every day. And then from Bogota, it's a bus ride up to Nicoku. You get on the boat, you go over. Next thing you know, you're at one of these camps like Bajikita or Las Blancas. It could take you a month easily to get to the United States. Easily take you a month. Now, we tracked one guy from Columbia to Brooklyn. It took him about ten days. And he had a driver's license. He was chinese, right.

Interesting.

Yeah, he literally went there and had a driver's license. Because a lot of the Chinese are coming into their own ecosystem. Like, a lot of the people are coming in, like planet of the apes, pell Mel. They've got no organization. Not the Chinese, man. Chinese have an ecosystem within the ecosystem. They come in in their own pipelines. Many of the Chinese are coming up. They're growing marijuana in Maine. You can see lots of articles about it now. They're growing marijuana in Oklahoma and Oregon and California. All over the place. They're growing huge amounts of marijuana. They're smuggling fentanyl.

So hold on. I know about this. So are you saying that the Chinese are sending their people down to South America? They're going through the darian gap, up Central America, and that's how they're infiltrating into the US.

Huge numbers.

Do they really need to do that or can they just fly right into the.

Oh, a lot fly. And others go through Canada. So some are actually going to Mexico and taking a boat and going to Canada.

So do you know what differentiates, like, if you're a chinese national coming to the US to do harm, how do you know whether you're going to come, go direct to the US, go to South America and up through the darien gap or south end from Canada?

I don't know how they make their determinations, but they do somehow. If they can fly straight to Mexico, they'll do that. They've told us that many times. The people that can't fly straight to Mexico, they have to find another way to get in. Some people come in on student visas. I mean, they would rather not go through the dairy and know, but other people, almost all the Chinese can get through keto, but a lot of them have brand new passports. How are you getting brand new chinese passports? You can see that if you look online, you'll see the chinese consulate in Mandarin. What was about a year and a half ago or so they were saying. Chinese nationals can come and get new passports if they've lost their passports through irregular means.

Right?

So, I mean, literally, the chinese government is openly supporting them to get new because if you go to the mexican side, in some places, there are burn barrels on the mexican side. Chinese are throwing their documents in.

Right.

A lot of the other people just throw them on the ground. The Chinese, they have OPSEC, man. They have document security and everything. They pay attention to details. They have their own networks.

Right?

So the Chinese, what are they doing? Many are coming for this reason or that reason. I don't know what all they're coming for, but they're clearly mostly military age males, right?

See, when you say military age male, that makes me think that you believe they're coming here to invade in a fight. Is that what you're saying?

I think it's pretty obvious. And I think if you come down with your background, I'm not going to need to say a word. I'm just going to need to take the horse to water and be quiet and let you watch.

Do you think that's, tell me what you think. Do you think that's what their plan is?

They don't hide it. They don't hide it at all. There's a book, unrestricted warfare, which you've probably read. Some of them actually say it, most of them will not. But okay, here's one example. A guy named, this was last year, 2023. So there's this one place that I wait where they often come out in the dry season, and they emerge at nighttime. And as you know, the best time to get people to talk is at nighttime when they're alone, right? So there's this one place I'll wait for them to come walking out of the jungle. And they come out and it's on the way to the China camp. So they're all walking by and I'll say, nihau, that sort of thing. Well, that night, Masako Ganaha actually approached one, as did a couple of other people I was with. And they're making video. And this one guy got quite angry, right? And he's like, some of this is on video and audio, right? And he's like, turn that off. Turn that off. And one of the guys I was with unfortunately said, you're a spy. He just like, blurted he was a young guy anyway.

But the next thing you know, we're sitting at this table with this guy for an hour and a half, right? His name's Lu Sean Zhao. He's, itching he's scratching. He just came through and can Brio is what is the village deep in the jungle. That's where most of the Chinese come through. Most of the Chinese don't go through biojiquito. They go through the different, easier route at Canon Membrio. And so it's called Canon Village. It's on the Membrillo river, right? And so in Canon Membrio, there are these bugs that the Embro called Morangoy. I hate those things. I've never seen them anywhere else in the world. They eat you alive, man. We should napalm that village. I used to joke with the Embra Indians, we're going to come back and napalm this. Why do you live here? These bugs, they're terrible. But he came out of the jungle and he's itching and he's scratching, and he's like. He is in that emotional state, right? And he actually had a poncho on. And so anyway, we get him at the table, get him calmed down. He was very angry. And as you know, if you can get him calmed down from that emotional state, he just kept rambling for an hour and a half and he goes, well, he goes, I went to the Bahamas.

I bought a boat from a Scotsman for $5,000 in NASA, right? As you know, there's a giant chinese embassy in Bahamas. It's a huge embassy, right? They're clearly using Bahamas. We got people from China coming up on the Florida shores at Jupiter beach and Miami and everywhere else every single day, right? And he said he bought a boat, he ran out of fuel. He was with his father. And he said he was adrift. His English was very good. I'm guessing he went to Luyang, which you may have heard of that. That's where they do their spy school, right? I'm guessing he was MSS, Ministry of State Security, their CIA. I'm just guessing. I don't know. But he was very good in English. His body language is good. He was like, hey, man, he was using vernacular, but he was a little off. He wasn't perfect yet, but he was heading to Florida. So he said he was adrift at sea. And he said the US coast guard picked him up, right? And he somehow got deported back to the Bahamas. Now, I was able to confirm the coast guard definitely picked him up. That was a fact.

Right?

So he was somehow deported back to the Bahamas. They were deporting him to China, connected in Cuba. This is what he told us. And he then changed his flight and went to Quito, Ecuador, because Chinese can get through Quito. Then he took the China route, and we intercepted him as he came out of the jungle, and he went on for a long time. So we got more information about him. I got his phone number. We were able to track back a lot of stuff, including what appears to be a military ID that we got later. Not through him, through other methods. And he appears to actually have been an officer in something. And bottom line is, I'm guessing MSs, and that's what some others guess, but I don't know.

Interesting. So let's go back to the fighting age males. We're really in the weeds on all this stuff right now. I want to lift it up to about a 30,000 foot view. What are they doing? What's the plan?

I think, for instance. Okay, let's rewind a little bit to the plan. Keep in mind, I have written three books on chinese information where I'm kind of dialed in on this. I've been to Tibet, where they were kind of moved in and just took it. Some of it was kinetic, but mostly it was demographic.

Right.

I was in Hong Kong for seven months until they kicked me out during the last spasm. From 2019 to 20.

Right.

And so how did they take Tibet? Mostly demographic warfare. They Han Chinese moving in and supplanting the Tibetans, who moved off to northern India. I've been up to northern India talking with them. A lot of Tibetans are in Hong Kong, or they're in Oregon and California.

Right.

They're all over the place with their prayer flags, but they're gone. Tibet is gone, essentially.

Right.

How did they take Hong Kong? They took Hong Kong again. They were just bringing in, like, 100 to 150 Han Chinese per day. They were taking over key positions, like professors, preachers, actually, literal preachers and politicians, of course. All policemen, all the peas and just slowly taking over the cockpit. And so they mostly did it demographically. They set conditions, as you know, with your background, you know all about setting conditions. This isn't about sparks and all that. This is about setting conditions. And Chinese are very patient about setting conditions. So they slowly just bring in the demographic waves just enough. Not enough that everybody rises up and goes crazy, but you fill the bathtub.

Right.

And so that's what they did in Tibet. That's what they did in Hong Kong. That's what they're doing. I was just down in Honduras, and I was in a place called roatan. I was talking with a very interesting guy there, and I asked him, do you know anybody in the honduran government that's been. That's in Roatan's island in Honduras, right? And I said, do you know anybody who has been invited, somebody from the top levels of the honduran government, military, whatever, who's been invited to China? And he said, actually, yeah, a friend of mine who happened to be the top general in the honduran military. In fact, he was like their chairman of the Joint Chiefs. So I said, oh, is he here? Can we invite him?

Right?

He goes, no, he lives on the mainland near Tugusigalpa. I said, well, can you call him up and ask him to dinner tomorrow night? So we flew him in the next night. We had dinner with him for three or 4 hours, right? And he talked about how he was invited to China because his grandfather came into Honduras, the Chinese, in like, 1923, right? And so these are called, what they call overseas Chinese, right? So I'm going somewhere very important with this. They'll find these overseas Chinese. I had Masako Ganaha sitting beside me, that japanese journalist who's always Johnny on the spot. And we talked about this quite a lot. They always invite you over. They'll have a parade for you. They'll show you the graves of your family and that sort of thing. He's like, oh, they invited me over. They had a parade for me. They showed me the graves of my family. That's what they do, right? Everywhere I go, that's what they do. And they get you one. He said, he's been to China, I think, seven times at this point. So those are what they call overseas Chinese. Now, there's a different type of recruitment, that there's numerous different types.

Another type is more archeological and anthropological. For instance, we knew that there was an archeological dig going on in Honduras, so that's why we flew to Honduras, because the Chinese are doing an archeological dig there, and they're trying to persuade the Mayan Indians that they came over on the land bridge and they're actually chinese. And all these bad white people came and took your land. The Spanish, wherever, the Germans, whoever, took your land, right? But we're all brothers and sisters. We're cousins, whatever, we're all family, and we're going to take this stuff back. So, interestingly, that honduran generals, we were talking about this in detail. He goes, their plan is not to attack you and take over the world. Their plan is to become the world. They're going to become this demographically, they're going to just slowly. That's what I saw in Tibet. That's what I see in parts of Thailand, the place where they want to build the Ismus canal. Chinese are moving down there.

Right.

I'm seeing this everywhere I go. I'm watching it in Panama. I'm watching. It's happening in Honduras. It's happening in Guatemala. I was up in Guatemala looking at the same thing.

Right.

And of course, the Guatemalans don't have quite the relationship with the. They don't have that relationship yet. Guatemala still has a tight relationship with Taiwan.

Right.

As does belize. In fact, Masako Ganaha had an interview with the taiwanese ambassador in Belize a few months ago, and I was there and we were talking about these sorts of things. And you can see China is slowly taking all the ponds, all the little squares off the board so that Taiwan has no diplomatic cover anywhere, whether it's Haiti or Belize or Guatemala. They've already taken Panama from them and almost everybody else. Why is this even important? As soon as there's no countries at all that recognize Taiwan, that's it. You're closed down. You can't even travel as a sovereign country. Know, because right now they have the international cover because you are recognized by some people. Right. But, yeah, this is coming. It's coming hard for.

Didn't. I did not piece that one together.

Yeah. So they're slowly. Belize and Guatemala are important for various reasons. Those are the two countries that border Mexico on the. And you know, another thing, by the way, a lot of these people that are coming through the Darien gap, they know they're from Nepal and places like that in India. I spent a year in India. I spent a year in Nepal. I spent a year in and around China. Why are all these Chinese coming through that are like, I'm fleeing persecution, and yet they still have such diplomatic cover from the United States. Why is a country that we allow people in because they claim that their country is persecuting them or even prosecuting them, and yet we still treat China like they're our best buddies in trade and whatnot.

Right.

I can answer that.

Yeah, we know the answer.

It's called elite capture. Do you know who Peter Schweitzer is?

What's that?

You guys got to meet. Do you know Peter Sweitzer?

I don't know him personally. It's totally elite capture, like that honduran general I'm talking about.

Right.

So there's that. There's the elite capture in that way. Well, there's elite capture for people that are not chinese of descent at all. And then there's the overseas Chinese. You can see films now in the United States. I read a book about three years ago, I guess, about building the transcontinental railway in the United States. And the book was written by Gordon Chang. And I messaged to Gordon Chang. I was with Gordon Chang, the Fox commentator. I was with him in Hong Kong and whatnot. And so I said, oh, this is a great book, Gordon. I didn't know you wrote this. He goes, oh, that's the other Gordon Chang. So I was like, okay, that's interesting, because the book was all about basically how the Chinese were so important in building the transcontinental railway. Now I'm going somewhere with find. If you go on YouTube, you can find the video where this chinese forest ranger at Yellowstone is saying, well, the Chinese built the road here. They're basically setting the conditions in the chinese minds that America is ours. All the people that came through on the Bering straits, they're saying, that's ours. All the, the.

Everybody, all the Indians, whether it's embarrass, Kuna, Apache, it doesn't matter. They're saying they are old descendants of Chinese, and this is our land. From the top of Alaska all the way down to the tip of South America, all the Americas are chinese. And you see them moving in everywhere, becoming these places, right. Slowly supplanting the local people, brainwashing them. We were just in El Salvador. In San Salvador.

Right.

I always go to libraries. I always go to museums. I've been to museums all over the world. Malaysia, Indonesia, long list. I'm looking for clues on the information. Always watch your enemy's information. It's.

It's pretty public. What? They just threw a huge ceremonial parade in California when Ji Jingping came. You saw that, I'm sure.

Yeah. I was publishing way in advance that they're going to make San Francisco their capital in the United States. I published this many times, and that's why I go to San Francisco sometimes. I know that's where they're going to do it.

On top of that, correct me if.

I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure I just read an article the other day that California just elected its first non citizen government official who happens to be chinese.

Yeah.

Have you seen that?

No, but you see these chinese police stations all over the world. Like, we've been to one in Dublin and London, and they're in the United States. They're everywhere.

Right?

Yeah. What do they say? Once it hits 40% of the population that it turns. They make their own laws, make their own rules.

It'll be less than 40 with those guys because the chinese Communist party demands allegiance with anybody with chinese genes.

Right?

Again, let me go back to something I was going to say and then I'll go into on. I could teach a university course on this. I've written three books on, I mean, we were just up in San Salvador, the capital of El Salvador, right? It's a safe place. I recommend people go there on vacation. One thing that's quite interesting, though, is all these people from these places they say are war torn or impoverished. They're passing by Starbucks. We were in San Salvador. There was a Starbucks on one side of the street and on the other side of the street I'm like, so all these impoverished people are going through all these countries that Americans move to, right? Americans moved to Panama and Costa Rica and, and a lot of actually moved to Honduras. Believe it or now people are moving to El Salvador, but they're all passing through all these places, right? But anyway, let me tell you about the library. I was going to mention. I always go to libraries, museums, archeological digs, because this is where you can pick up the trailhead on information war, right? And so in El Salvador, in Salvador, there's a new library.

It's not quite finished, but you can get into it. It's seven floors, right? And so we waited in line for about 45 minutes. There's a chinese Communist party flag, CCP flag waving right out front. I mean, it's right at the top, right next to the El Salvador flag, right? And we went in there and it's seven floors. And I kept asking, where's the section on like physics and engineering and time management, MBA stuff, you know what I mean? History. And finally we get to about the 6th floor. 6th floor. But mostly it's just video games and that sort of thing. So you have to get what's called a key to knowledge. That's the library card. So if you want to play the video games, they have all these video games like Batman and Game of Thrones and all this child stuff, right? But if you want to play the video games, you have to read a book for 30 minutes and then they'll credit your key to knowledge and then you can go play the video games for an hour. As you can imagine, whatever book they put in your hand and they say you have to take some little test on the book.

It's library warfare. I call that library warfare. There's a museum warfare, archeological warfare. I just call it these things because there's no name for it. And I see it all over the world. They'll come in and they'll say, like the archeologists that are now in Honduras, and they'll, well, look at these pots and potteries. This is what was know when I was in know, this is what was made what back in China.

So what is the archeological warfare?

Oh, they try to persuade you that here's how it works. They'll come in and know, dig some stuff up and say, well, this is actually from so and so back, and this is from this era in China. And actually, you are part of us, and they have these genetic tests, and then they start bringing them in like you're actually our cousins. You helped build the great wall of China. You did all these great things, and then these. And then you came across, you fought your way down and survived, know, basically good Chinese. And then these spanish people and conquistadors and whatnot came and took it away from you.

Right?

This is our land. We were the first ones here.

Right?

That's how they roll.

What was the other one? You had the library. Archeological. And what was the other one? There was three.

Museum. Museum. Yeah. And statues as well. So what they'll do is, let's say with statues, because this works the same way as the archeological, like statues. They'll put up a statue somewhere, like, say, a comfort women's statue in Glendale, California. Now, the Koreans are running that, but I've been there quite a lot. But they'll come and they'll put up a statue. They'll get a lot of press around the statue, right? There'll be a website for it, they'll raise money for it. They'll start bringing journalists there. Like, if you go to Jeju island down in South Korea, there's a big island off of South Korea called Jeju island. They got these big museums there. I've looked at them. They bring in entire planeloads of journalists, come in, get them all south up drunk, and take them and show them the museums. And I've watched them do that. It's just amazing. They literally will invite a bunch of all inclusive, come on down from Seoul or come in from Japan, come from Los Angeles, come and visit Korea. And so now they've got all the journalists, and they take them to the museums, and the next thing you know, their articles come out and you know how this goes.

It's the mockingbird thing, right? Or I call ka crows, right? And all the journalists are like, one goes kaka, basically. Shit. Shit. Everybody's like flies that eat each other's vomit, right? As one sergeant major in Iraq said, these journalists are like flies. They all eat each other's know. There's a lot of truth to.

Let's go. Let's move to Maine. Now, you were starting to talk about how Maine is being taken over by chinese marijuana farmers. What is going on there?

Yeah.

Well, you can look it up. And there's a lot of articles coming out now. And US authorities, I think, have reported nationally they may have captured 700,000 pounds of marijuana last year. I could be wrong on that. I should be careful. But they've captured a lot of marijuana from chinese last year, right?

What do you mean?

It's legal up there.

Yeah, but I don't know that. Let me be careful. I'm going to run quiet on this. But the bottom line is there's a lot of problems with the Chinese, right. And it's increasing like they're growing marijuana everywhere right now. It's a cash crop, of course. So you can run your war on this. Look at the opium in Afghanistan, right? I wrote a series of dispatches, I think it was two or three in 2006 in Afghanistan, called the perfect evil. Right. If you read my 2006 dispatches from Afghanistan, I left Iraq, I went to Afghanistan, and I would go back and forth between those two wars. But as soon as I stepped foot in Afghanistan in 2006, back when everybody thought we won the war, it was clear that we hadn't won the war. And I published those articles called the Perfect Evil, where they're using the opium money to run the war. Right? It's an old formula.

Right.

Actually, when you talk to the afghan farmers, I spent two years in Afghanistan. I spent a year alone and I spent a year with us british and lithuanian and other forces, right? So the year that I was alone, I never got shot at, by the way. When I was alone, everybody would say, you're crazy. And I'm like, guess what? The only time I get shot at is when I'm with you. I've never been shot at alone, not even once. Who's crazy? I mean, I'm with you and the vehicles are on fire upside down, but I'm alone out with these people and I'm going to their farms and they're just farmers. And you talk with them and they're like, we would rather be growing grapes. We would rather be growing pomegranates. Why aren't you growing pomegranates? I'd always ask them the same questions. There are specific reasons for it. Back during the russian war, they destroyed many of the caress systems. The caress systems are the underground water systems. They're aqueduct, sort of, not aqueducts, but they're underground. They're very difficult to build. It's very sophisticated, right. So if you're flying over Afghans, they're on the ground, it's easier.

When you're flying over, you see those little ant hills, right? They look like ant hills. They're like the single hole ant hill that has like a crater. You'll see them, they're lined, those are along under, and they'll come from like a draw in a mountain, right, or a valley, because that's where the water collects. They will build those. They can be 50 miles long, right. And when the holes are closer and closer together, that means the underground river is more and more shallow, right. So those caress systems, though, they can go miles, right? And that's why you see a lot of these villages way out in the middle of the desert, and there's no river around, because they got a caress system, which could have taken literally a century to build, right? They'll get the first village, and then over time, it just gets longer and longer, right? So the Soviets came in. You can use these caress systems to store weapons or to travel 4 miles and go shoot somebody and then go back into your hole. So I found this soviet manual, and it was showing how to destroy caresses. They're easy to detect.

I mean, they're really obvious, right? And actually, some of the Afghans use them as air conditions. They have the house built right on top of it, the thing. Air conditions are housed. Their houses are more comfortable than a house in Florida, right? I mean, you can't make up this stuff. They know how to live out there. So the Soviets came in and they were blowing up these things, because if you blow up that caress system, you're actually destroying a lot of their pomegranates and that sort of thing. And often they would also cut down their pomegranates. They would cut down their vineyards and whatnot. And so then they started growing opium. They started growing opium because it uses, I think, one third of the water, if I'm accurate. The DEA guys would be able to fact check me on that. I think it's about one third. They're much more hearty. It's also a cash crop.

Right?

Now, if you're growing grapes, they make more money on grapes, which they turn into raisins, usually. Their grapes in Afghanistan are unbelievably good. Let's say if you grow tomatoes, you have to pick the tomato sell the tomato, right? And it's worth that much.

Right?

But if you grow opium, which is harder, they don't like to do it, and they don't make as much money. Actually, the farmers don't make as much money. But now you've already cut down their pomegranate trees, you've cut down their vineyards, you've messed up their cares systems, right? And so they start growing opium. And also with the opium, the value density, this much opium, that's worth a lot of money, this much tomatoes or grapes is not worth as much, but it's worth more to them locally. But as you know, on the value chain, as you sell that opium up the chain and ends up on the streets of London, a lot of people make a lot more money on it. It can fund the war, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Right? So that's why they do the opium. That's why I wrote that series of dispatches called the perfect evil. Because even as you know, the more of these drugs like fentanyl that you flood on the streets, the more people it creates its own demand. It's a perfect evil. And then you use that to fund the war. You literally destroy the people while you're funding the war.

And that's why I keep mentioning the people that are pushing marijuana and whatnot out there. They're literally doing the job for the Chinese, right? They're literally, like, helping them fund the war against us. They're literally people. Thousands of Americans are dying every month from fentanyl poisoning, and the Chinese are doing that. Jason Jones is a good guy to talk with about this. Jason Jones is quite dialed in on this, actually. I don't know if you know, Jason.

We'Ve covered this portion extensively on this show several times, where we talk about how China is bringing in chemists to teach the cartels how to make the world's deadliest fentanyl. They're sending in the mean, they've built the liter.

You know this better than anybody. I don't need to tell you, but some of those other guys don't quite get. And we got the weaponized migration, which will kill us in and of itself, regardless of all the other stuff that will kill the United States. That's a kill shot, right? We've got the chemical warfare going. We've got the economic side, which is quite got, you know, they can cut off our electricity. I think we've all talked about that a lot. We're obviously quite vulnerable on a lot of different fronts, not to mention these smart cities, the fascist state, which we clearly have now, is growing. And again, go back to Netherlands. They're clearly using the weaponized migration. You see Soros, by the way, before he was Mr. Open borders was Mr. All drugs should be legalized. It's not a coincidence, right? This is literally weakening our base so that we can be attacked.

Right?

Also, the drugs and whatnot make you much more vulnerable to information, to brainwashing, right? Like, for instance, you look at 1984, Soma, right? You read the book rape of the mind from 1956 from a dutch psychologist named Juice Merlot, right? He talks about that. If you see what happened during the pandemic lockdowns, couldn't go to church, couldn't go to weddings, couldn't go to funerals, couldn't get with your families. But you can go get all the alcohol you want, you can smoke dope all you want because that makes you more vulnerable to the message, right? If you're going to train animals, if you're going to train people, you want to separate them from their power.

Let's, Michael, let's take a quick break. When we come back, I want to start diving into, you got a lot of information on an oncoming famine, so we'll dive into that.

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Right? Actually, yeah. That's why I went to Netherlands. Now in 2020, that was the first time I started warning about potential famine because I could see conditions were starting to be set for that.

Right?

And it's all about conditions.

You notice this in 2020?

Oh, yeah. I was publishing it almost daily back then. Get ready for it. Get ready for famine because it's clearly conditions. It's a long flash to bang. And so I've been studying it quite a lot. I read a couple of dozen books on it. Now, on famine, I read more than 60 on pandemic, but I'd read about 40 before the pandemic because pandemic, famine and war, they go together. They're triangle. So you see patterns. And if you get a big war, you always get famine. And you always get pandemic. If you get a big pen, I mean a big one, if you get a big pandemic, a very serious one, you'll always get famine and war, right? They just go together like the triangle of death. So I was talking about this in this interview, and a reader, she called up, she was kind, and she's like, you talk about this as if you made it up. And I said, I did. She said, no, it's in the Bible. The four horsemen, right? I was like, yeah, you're right. I literally have plagiarized the Bible. If you're going to plagiarize, I guess, go big. But they knew it 2000 years ago.

So all these patterns, nothing's changed. I've started to look at the Bible as like a survival manual.

You know what I mean? Both.

I mean, seriously, it's all there. Nothing's new under the sun, right?

A lot of the stuff that's happening today is talked about in the Bible back then.

It's there. The only thing they didn't have was iPhones or something. But they saw the human patterns. They knew the human behaviors. The pursuit of money is the root of all evil, the huge amount. What we see the problems now is people just going for the dollar, right? I mean, it's all there, right? As you know, it's about conditions. Amateur hours. Often people are asking me, what will the spark be that does such and such? I don't mean amateur hour in a diminutive way, but I'm just saying one thing I learned when I was in the military. I was fortunate enough to be in the same sort of unit that you were. And we were around very serious officers and NCOs, and a lot of them were serious history buffs, right? And what would they often say? It's all about conditions. Set conditions for success, or you're setting conditions for failure. It's not about sparks. It's a spark that caused the war. You could have a 747 filled with fuel crash into the darian gap today, and there's not going to be a forest fire. It's going to burn a big hole and it's going to burn until the fuel is gone and it'll be out.

There's no conditions for a giant forest fire in the Darien gap. It'll just be know. But some little kid with a bottle rocket in California, you end up with a town burning down from a cigarette, right? It's about conditions. It's the same with the famines that are coming now. Let's rewind in history as you know today, we have a lot more technology than we had in the past. I mean, that's to state the obvious. And one of those is nitrogenous fertilizers. Now, as the populations on earth grew, people started using, for instance, fertilizer. They used to use guano, bird guano. In fact, we had forgotten the name of the act, but there was sort of a Guano island act. I've forgotten the name of it. But if somebody found an island that know mostly guano anywhere in the world, the US military would come with full force and guard that island because we would use mean there was war spot over guano, right? Because that was the original nitrogenous fertilizer, right? So now, as populations grew and we cut off Germany from Guano and whatnot, and by the way, guano is believed to be what caused what led to at least the potato famine in Ireland that started in roughly 1845.

People argue about that and ended in maybe nine years. They argue about when it started and ended, but it may have been some sort of disease that was in the back guano, but this is unclear. But that's a separate story. But the bottom line is the Germans, as you know, are quite serious about science, and they have been for a long time. And they had serious chemists, and one was named Fritz Haber. And Fritz Haber in 1903, wrote a book on. He thought that you could take hydrogen off of the natural gas. This is very important. And you could combine it with the nitrogen that we're breathing and make ammonia.

Right.

And with that ammonia, you could make explosives.

Right.

And you could make fertilizers. And so both. Right. But it was very difficult to do it. So he theorized it in that book on thermodynamics. And then in 1903, and then in 1908, he actually made a little bit.

Right.

But it was difficult. See, he was a good guy at little stuff. So that's when Carl Bosch came along. Carl Bosch is another german chemist, and he was able to take that really smart idea and make it industrial. That's why it's now called the Haber Bosch process. Hob Fritz Haber came up with the idea. Karl Bosch took it corporate. And they started at Ludwig's Hoff in Germany at BASf plant. Right, the BASF plant. BASF is. This is really important. So I hope everybody's paying attention because this is all going to come together. The basf plant on the Rhine river dumps out at Rotterdam. And interestingly, so they started making the nitrogenous fertilizers there in 1914.

Right?

Same year the Panama canal opened.

Right.

Coincidentally. And so the population on earth started to explode, partly because of increased trade. The ships were bigger, the ships were faster, the trains were bigger, refrigeration, all kinds of things. But a huge one was nitrogenous fertilizers, right? So other companies started to make nitrogenous fertilizers. A huge component of these nitrogenous fertilizers, though, is natural gas, because you need that hydrogen, right? You can make it other ways, but in reality, it's natural gas.

Right?

Now, one of the reasons I've been so accurate on the wars, and that's what I'm actually known for, is being accurate way ahead of time, is because when I was a kid, I was pretty much addicted to physics, right? I always thought I would grow up to become a physicist, and somehow I grew up to be in the Darien gap. It's only in America can you do these wild, go around Pluto and loop back and land on so. But that trained my way of thinking, right? Reading people like Richard Feynman and whatnot. And all these physicists know, not teaching you what to think, but how to develop ways of thinking that you can try to arrive at truth, right? That's why I love physics so much, actually. I started loving chemistry, and I was like, now that's just chemistry. Physics is where I can find the truth, right. And that's why I spent so much time on that. But one of the things I've learned from reading those guys so many years, especially when I was younger, was, if you have a theory, I call it a paradigm, and it's inaccurate, then you either have to tweak it or throw it out.

Right. Never get emotionally stuck on your ideas. Right. It's just an idea, man.

That's great advice just for everybody today.

Yeah. I mean, I learned it from those old physicists. They would be know. So and so got stuck on his idea, and basically he became a worthless scientist, you know what I mean? Because he became emotional about his idea. It's like, you have to be. And Einstein never got that way, to my knowledge. I read a lot of his work, and he never got stuck on his ideas. He was always like, you know, I'm probably wrong. I might be wrong about gravitational lensing or whatever. He turned out he was completely right about gravitational lensing and these sorts of things.

Right.

Anyway, when I was a teenager, I would write down, what's the percentage chance that I think, I don't know, that bird's going to take off in the next five minutes based on the time of day and all this stuff? And I'm just like, I don't know, 70? And I would just start training myself over time. I'd done that a lot, to the point where I was starting to get a little bit better at actually guessing things. So I thought that the darian gap might open it up, and now it is, right? I thought that they might tear down the wall on the border. And I started publishing this immediately when Biden was installed. Now, they haven't torn it down, but what they have done is just leave it open. Basically, it doesn't exist anymore, right? And all of this was accurate based on the paradigm. Now, the paradigm. I also thought something will happen to Nordstream. So I went to basf twice, right? And on the second time, we're doing a tour of BASF, and I asked the guy, what happens if Nordstream gets interrupted? Now, keep in mind, I had bought an iPad that was on a website that did nothing but watch the flows at Nordstream.

And so you could see minute by minute, it would update the flows, right? Because I expected, if my paradigm was right, that that natural gas would be interrupted, because I think they're trying to put us in famine, right? And so we're in the plant at BASF in Ludwigshoff in Germany. I said to the man that was giving us a tour. What happens if Nordstream gets interrupted? He said BASF is dead. Well, it's not dead because shortly after that, months later, it was bubling to the surface of the sea.

Right?

And how did I get that right? Why was I publishing in advance? Something may happen to Nordstream. And then it happened. Everybody's like, how'd you get that right? Do you have something to do with. I just. That's what I think was going to happen.

Is that article out there?

No, I would just put it like on Twitter and that sort of thing.

So we can find it on Twitter?

Oh yeah. You can find it on interviews that I did. Why was I even at BASF? You know what? You know, because that's where the Haber Bosch press. Okay, so now last March I was in Netherlands again. They had elections. And then I went to Groningen gas fields, that's the biggest gas field in Europe is in Netherlands. And I was publishing last March, April. And so I think they're going to close Groningen Gasfield. And people are like, you're crazy. They're not going to close that. They closed it. It's now closed. Why did I get it right? Not by going through every little fact and trying to figure out if he's right, she's right. Skip past all that nonsense. You'll get confused. It's confusing. What does the paradigm predict that they're trying to put us into famine? If I'm trying to put us into famine, I'm going to start turning off all those natural gas switches. I'm going to reduce the nitrogenous fertilizers. Now going into famine. There's many things that can cause famine that can lead to famine. There's different types of famine. For instance, interestingly, I found in a 1911 Encyclopedia Britannicus. People can find this.

It's a 1910, 1911 I think is that edition. I found it in a friend's home in Texas. And I went right to f for famine. I wanted to see what they were saying about it. This is before Haber Bosch process was. We're talking 1911, remember 1914 is when that actually started. And this article is very well written, but it goes. And it talks about, well, the big famines are probably over. Probably won't be any more big ones now because we have faster ships, bigger ships, these sorts of things, bigger trains, faster trains. But what they were wrong about was how evil man can be. Because the biggest famines have been man made, like by Stalin and the Holotimore, like by Mao, by so many of these famines. The 1845 to 1854, famine in Ireland was not all about the fungus and the black potatoes, right? A lot of it was caused by the English cutting them off. Oftentimes when you get into famine, all these other conditions happen, and then your enemy exploits the cuts off your ports.

So with the famine that's coming, what do you advise people do to get ready for it?

Well, one thing's for sure, it's not going to be easy, and especially if you live in a major city. One dutch man that survived the hunger winter, that was the hunger winter of 1944 45, he said, it doesn't matter if you have a rifle because they're going to come at you with 1020 men with rifles, right? You're not going to defend your food with a rifle. It's just not going to happen. You're going to have to be prepared. In some ways, one of the things you'll find in famines is people hide food. Actually, the KGB seems to have been a derivative of actually Stalin looking for people hiding food. Believe it or not, in Ukraine, in the whole lottomore, it's interesting because people found so many clever ways to hide. Know they would have a garden that really doesn't produce much, but underneath it, that's how they cover up the know, the digging and that sort of. Actually, the bottom line is everybody is going to have to have a different solution. I mean, if you live in Manhattan, I think you're know, straight mean, what are you going to do in Manhattan when everybody's hungry?

I mean, people go to cannibalism within two weeks, easy. Not everybody. Some people starve to death and never do it, but others go straight to it instantly. And a lot of these people coming in, by the way, through the dairy and mean, these are people that come from places where they still do. By the way, cannibalism does still exist on planet Earth, I assure you. I don't have to assure you, you know that. But a lot of these people coming in are not quite the same as the people your neighbor. And the moment they get hungry, they're coming into your house. The moment almost anybody gets hungry, they're going to be coming into your house.

Yeah, once desperation.

Everybody's going to have to have their own solution, but it's going to have to be community based. One of the things one retired military man told me down in Texas, he started to arrange his community around his church. He went to church and he started taking an inventory of everybody's skills. Like, you know, how to do roofs, you know how to do plumbing, you know how to do electrical whatever, right? So that way everybody knows who knows how to do what. And starting pulling them together as a community, working with radios, figuring out how to keep communication with each other and that sort of thing. All the stuff that would take to make a small community, right? And one older woman, she's a widow. She's like, I don't have any skills. I just raise my children and my grandchildren and my great grandchildren. He's like, yeah, you've got, well, if you raise that many generations of kids, you've got a lot of skills. He's like, no, just tell me, how did you raise them? She's like, well, I can food. He's like, that's it. All right, you're in charge of canning operations. So what I want you to do is tell me what you need, tell me everything you need, and then I'll get it, I'll make it appear.

And you start teaching the young people.

How to can so set up a community.

That's right. And just like everybody has something, if their heart's in the right place, they have a job, right? But then it takes the leaders, obviously, to pull them together and get everybody working in their right ways and that sort of thing. But you're not going to make it through without a community, right?

Yeah.

And you're going to have to be able to defend yourself, obviously. But we have a predatory government. Another thing that I've noticed in famines, and this is important, is the governments always go after the farmers. In every famine I've read about, they always blame the farmers, too. They always say, oh, it's the farmers, it's the amish people's fault for something. You know what I mean? It's whoever's fault. They're the ones gouging you for prices or whatever, right? And then they come and then they take over those facilities and nobody can knows how to farm like the farm. That's one of the things I wanted to say. Finish what I was thinking about the Dutch, a lot of those farmers who have been farming or fishing that land or water for so many years, they know exactly when to plant. Like, well, when the last snow melts in that little crease over there, that's when we plant. It's a very local knowledge, and that's one of the ways they get such high production from the land. First of all, it's partly, you know, scientific methods, but they know their patch of turf very know when the crickets come out, it's time to do X.

You know, what it's very. But if you take them away from that land, they're not going to be as good a farmer. If you put them in Kansas, they're still going to be a good farmer, I'm sure. But you know what I'm saying.

I do.

They got to fight their own terrain.

So for the people that are listening that we've just scared the hell out of with the famine, best thing is for them to build community.

Build community, definitely. And you need a way to defend yourself. And again, if you live in a city, I don't know what advice to give you other than get mean. Would that cause the cities to empty out? Look who's moving into New York. People that don't speak English, they don't even know how to flush a toilet. I assure you, I spend most of my life in these other countries, and some fish don't mix well in the same aquarium. There's cultures that just don't go well together.

Right.

Bottom line, you put some sort of fish with the goldfish, bye bye, goldfish. And that's what's going to happen.

Well, get out of the city.

I hate to say it, but, I mean, that's what I would.

Well, Michael, I just. I really appreciate everything you're doing. You just gave a ton of knowledge, especially when it comes to the Darien gap, what the CCP is up to, and the oncoming them. And I just want to say thank you for coming here and getting the info out.

Thank you for being so patient. It was, as you know, kind of challenging to get our schedules to meet up. I've been trying hard, and we did it.

Well worth it. Well worth it. And I hope to get down there with you soon. Down, waiting for you. All right, brother. Be safe.

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