Previously on The Sean Ryan Show.

That morning, I started getting a lot of messages on my phone, and I read it. And they said, Hey, there is a lot of things going on in Culacán right now. Culacán is crazy. There's a lot of Narco blockade. So they were setting up trucks and vehicles to block roads around Culacán and saying them on fire. So I was like, Yeah, they're probably doing an operation against someone big. I had previously had a ban by the Sinalo cartel from going to Sinalo. Of course, all the way, there were still burnt trucks, burnt busses, hand bullets all over. It was a fire zone up there. So I found a hole in the wire head on the wall, and I literally jumped over the hole inside his house and started recording. I had my phone and a GoPro, and inside was waters of heavy, like 50 counts all over, blood all over, man. I was like stepping in, sticky blood all over.

You broke into the San Abel Chappaqua's house.

Yeah, dude. And it was absolutely crazy. Of course you did.

All right, Louis, we're back from the break. We're having a very interesting discussion about how to break up the cartel network. And you had brought up divide and conquer using propaganda, maybe a Psyop. And man, I want to go into this. I mean, this is... I think that's the most legitimate solution that I've heard yet. We're already seeing the effects of this in the United States. Russia Russia and China are definitely 100 % involved in a SIOP war with the United States. And we're seeing it with bots. We're seeing it with hackers. All kinds of things are happening. And look at what's happening. It's race divided. All these different hot topics are being crammed down our throats, and it's causing this massive division within the country. And I mean, as much as I hate to say that they're seeing massive amounts of success. Yeah. And so what you're saying is we should be utilizing the exact same thing on the cartels.

On criminal organizations, yes.

I think that's genius because in the previous interviews that we've had, I mean, these guys have big egos. Yeah. And so it could be relatively simple to conduct a PSIOP.

On.

Cartels and turn them against each other.

Yeah. And you know how I came to think of that? I don't know if that's something that will work or not or the consequences of that. Because I think that could bring Mexico to an ugly face before it gets better. But the way I started thinking of it is like, these guys did the exact same thing to the Mexican government. At some point, we had the Mexican Army at a pedestal. We thought highly of theUnited States, the Mexican Army. They're not corrupt. They are actually looking for their security. They sacrifice a lot. They're just great soldiers. Then they started this campaign, this propaganda against the military. That they are corrupt. They started putting out videos, they started putting up communicados, which are basically pressers from the cartel, Narco, banner saying, The head of this faction of the military in Sinaloa is with us, is working with us, and blah, blah, blah, blah. What does that make you think of the military? It doesn't make you think or wonder about the cartel, right? Makes you wonder, Oh, so the military guys probably are not as good as we thought. They're probably not the ones having our backs.

They're just as corrupt as anyone. And then you stop believing in the fucking army, and that destroys them. Because every time they want to go into a town, they're going to face resistance by locals. No, those are the guys are the fucking bad guys. We'd rather be with a fucking cartel than the Mexican government. They're just thieves with a plate, with a badge.

How would you do it? How would you create the PSEYOP?

To be perfectly honest, I think there's been attempts to do it specifically with the Sinema La Cartel. Think of, well, with the Jalisco Cartel, New Jersey. Think of this. There's been a rumor widespread every once and then. Every time I post a video, a story, a photo talking about the Sinema or the Los Chapitos, whatever. There's a bot, one or two or several, talking about how the Mayo, Zambada, and the Chapitos are fighting and they don't like each other. The real man, it's El Mayo. They're not the real guys, it's Los Chapitos. No, the truth in a lot of cartels. El Mayo, who's the big boss. They start beefing and they start creating this division that is getting into the fucking cartel. Even now, their henchmen, their own people, started talking shit about the other group. Yeah, he's the old man, but we're the good guys. No, he's these spoiled kids. We are El Mario Zimbab and we're huge. I think there is already something going on. If it's by design, by someone, whatever. I don't know. If it's not, I think that's a great opportunity.

I guess I can't say for certain this is the direction I would go in, but this seemsI mean, if I were to do this where I would start is I would not start saying this cartel hates this cartel. I wouldn't do it like that. The way I would do it is I would start creating fake busts. And so if X cartel has this territory and Y cartel has this territory, well, then I'm going to create a narrative in a news story that says why Cartel got busted producing-.

Fentanyl on.

Your territory. -a massive amount of fentanyl that's never been produced before in this territory where they shouldn't be, or they're selling fentanyl in this territory in the United States, which is these guys' territory. Or we're talking about avocado farms, jellyfish. I would start just creating narratives where we busted a cartel who's, so let's say, Cinaloe Cartel is in charge of Lemons and New Generation Cartel is still in fentanyl. I would create a news story narrative that has new-generation cartel, dabbling in lemon. Yes. Because then Cinelloa sees that.

They're going to go, Yes, that's been happening. And I think I told you this the last time I was here. I think it's because of my position as a journalist with contacts on media and putting out stories. I think they're trying to use that to do that stuff, whoever that is, if it's legit or not. I know that cartels or community organizations, they operate like that. That's how they are dividing and concurring, like different territories in different places. The last time there was a huge bust of Fentanyl and the Fentanyl lab. It had a lot of fake stickers with a face of El Mayo Zambada to make probably people like me believe that that was exactly what you're saying, that that was a bust on a Mayo Zambada's laboratory, right? Of Fentanyl. But who sent that over? That was Los Chapitos. Los Chapitos saying like, Hey, it's El Mayo. It's El Mayo who's go after him and leave us alone. He's putting on some weight. I just literally, as of this break, I just published a story with Vice about this alleged halt that Los Chapitos order in the production of fentanyl in Sinaloa. They hang a lot of new banners saying it's prohibited to produce fentanyl in the world.

We're going to kill you if we find you doing this shit. What is that? If not a very basic and primitive attempt to do a sign up against people saying like, Hey, we're not doing fentanyl. We're the good guys. Literally, the first comment is a bot with two followers on my Twitter saying, It's Elmaio Zambada. That's territory of Elmaio Zambada putting in fentanyl. That shit is happening. Also, I think we touched superficially last night about if El Mencho really exists, the leader of the new generation, Carlieso Cartel. It's been years, probably a decade since his last photo. We've been hearing his voice popping up here and there. But within AI, it's super easy to replicate a voice. We don't even know if that's him. It's super easy to start a whole cartel that is a sign-up. It's like theCalisco Neutarital Cartel really exist or is that a fucking cartel that is a Psyop. It's like, does the Jalisco Neutroid cartel really exist, or is that a fucking Psyop? Because you see the soldiers. You never see the higher-ups. You never see who's leading. You never see people like El Chapo that he was arrested a couple of times, and he was like escaping prisons.

El Mayo Zambada giving out an interview with Julio Schedder from Processo Magazine. Los Chapitos, very out there. They even had their own socials at some point. But the leaders of the Jalisco New Generation cartel, those guys are dressed up properly as a fucking army. They know of strategy, they know of trends, they know of weapons, they know how to weaponize a drone, IEDs, and they have this mythical leadership called El Mencho that we don't know if it's still alive or dead, and that's dividing that cartel. Half of that cartel is saying he's dead, and half of the same cartel is saying, No, he's pretty much alive.

I've told you, I've been interviewing... Everybody's so far behind the news cycle. Like I said, it's been election season, or it is election season. I've been interviewing politician here and there, and I've had some really bright minds on the show talking about how they could combat this stuff. Desantis wants to send in military. A lot of these guys are saying, Let's send in the military to handle this. Now, in my opinion, yes, we could absolutely destroy the cartels. I mean, if you have ever seen a special operations unit function in combat, good luck, buddy. I don't care who you are. We are going to come out on top. That aspect of the military is top. Everything about the US military is top notch, but that specifically, no, it's just we're going to come out on top. I think that we could destroy them.

At least the armed branches of our organization, like all the henchmen.

And so on. I think we would come out on top with every fight that we pick. Let me put it that way. Then I interviewed Eric Prince, and I was all about that. I had talked about that with DeSantis. I think I had talked about that with Vivek. Maybe maybe. Then Eric Prince came on and he said, and he made a great point that I had not thought of. He goes, Absolutely, that's not going to work. He goes, Apparently, nobody's learned anything from Afghanistan. What happens? Everybody says, Oh, cut the head off the snake, get the top guy. Well, we got the top guy. I don't know how many times throughout the past 20 years of the top guys. I think number two, Al Qaeda, had about a two-week life expectancy, which means every two weeks another one's rotating in. Then he talked about, Well, we can't just go down there and bomb them and bomb the lowest element which has the most people.

Which would be the armies, because.

Then you would be killing innocent women and children. And so his plan, what he thought would be good, would be to take this fight to China and basically cut off the supply, cut off the chemist they're sending down there. But that information is two years old, at least. I mean, you had that information two years ago. I think the SIOP is the... That's the play.

I think no one was really thinking about a Psyop because we tend to think that this is a war that it's being fought over in the streets with guns. But we forget that these guys have a lot of, what I told you the last couple of times I've been here, a lot of social bases. They are in the heads of the people. They are in the heads of a whole population, of a whole territory. But at the same time, that's the weakest point. They are ecomaniacs. They have a lot of issues on their heads, on their minds from what they've seen, from what they do, from believing that they started out from nothing and became the kings of the world, having much money out of nothing. In a couple of days, they made millions of dollars and now they're on top of the game stuff. That's their weakest point, of course. I don't want to say the wrong way, but that's my way in with these criminal organizations. It's not something that I show up by whatever. I get to their heads, I get to their minds, I get to their... I tell them what they want to hear, and they show me what I want to see.

That's why this is ongoing. Probably that's why I've been able to go in and out several times with different organizations. Not without travel, right? They've threatened me before shit. But that has worked for me in the past. For just for reporting, but imagine for a fucking army to win that. Yeah. Breaking them from the inside.

Man, I'm just blown away. That's a great idea. You could sit there and really solve this problem and just watch them eat each other alive.

Yeah, and as I was telling you before, I think it could get back for Mexico before it gets good, because this is going to start a fucking ugly war between them, inside their own factions, inside their own core, probably inside their own families. And that's going to hurt.

I mean, this is what... It'ssounds to me that these guys love it when you come around. They know they're going to get publicity. They like hanging out with you. You've told me that they love this show. When this goes out, we're we're talking about how to break up the cartels in Mexico, the top cartels. What's the conversation going to be like when you return there and they listen to this and they're saying, Are they going to ask you? Are you talking about how to break us up?

If we.

Get broken up.

You're out of the job. I'm not putting up bullshit. I'm not lying. This is an honest thought I have. This is me thinking. This is me who I am. I'm transparent like that. I can tell you what I'm thinking all the time. I don't believe in an army, in a foreign army, showing up and killing people. And if that was my talking point right now, telling you like, Fuck yes, man. We can send a fucking army and kill all of those and that's how you're going to get rid of them. They're going to tell, you're going to tell, everybody's going to tell that I don't believe in that shit. That's not something I really believe. So what are they going to think about that? They're going to think like, Why is he playing like that? Why is he saying that bullshit? That's bullshit. He knows that's bullshit. It's probably more smart than that. That's going to probably have consequences. They'll probably say, What the fuck are you talking about, man? Sending the army to kill us? That's not a fucking thing. They're like, Fuck you.

But.

All I'm saying, it's honestly, transparently saying these guys have big egos. These guys have weak minds when it comes to operating inside their minds. Right? They have strong minds to take a lot of shit from outside impulses: killing people, holding up to information, being tortured, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But when it comes to their family, their own, how they see themselves, how they perceive themselves, they lack a lot of.

Self-respect.

A lot of self-love, a lot of that shit. That's the nature of a criminal, right? You lack a lot of self-built insight.

Yeah. I don't know, though. I mean, there's the psychology of a criminal that... I mean, there's no choice in Mexico. It's getting to the point where there's... What are you going to do? You can't be an avocado farmer, you can't be a lemon farmer, you can't fish for jellyfish. They control the water supply. Let's face it, there's not a whole lot of opportunity down there.

No, man. I mean.

I guess- So what else are they going to do besides go to.

The cartel? Citing? I honestly think that for... I'm going to tell you partially the story of this guy I recently met. He tried options. He tried options. He was born in a golden cradle, in the center of one of the most powerful cartels in the world as a baby. He could have everything, but he wanted to try something else. He really tried something else. He tried to be a pilot. He tried to be a businessman. Then he tried to just get away from that shit. But at the end, he really couldn't, man, because his family was huge in that business. So in order to get a license to be a pilot, he will have to go to the military. And the military will be like, No, man, you're this guy, you're family. You're in bed with these guys. I'm not going to hand you a licensed plane to be a pilot, proper pilot.

So fuck you.

And then he wanted to start a business. And his family was like, Yeah, you go start a business. I'll give you the money. And he's like, No, I won't start a business on my own. No, can't do, man. If you have a front like someone else running the business, because that's too dangerous for you and for us because everybody knows who you are. And he's like, So I can't start a business? Yeah, you can. With my money and putting someone in charge. He's like, But I can't own my business and run my business and be the face of my business? No, you can't. So he's like, Well, I might as well start trafficking cocaine. And he's like, By all means. He was 15, 16.

I.

Mean, he was in the high-ups of the cartel. He didn't have another option because that's the game he's playing, his family playing. And there's a bunch of them like that. I'm pretty sure those chapitos face the same faith, right?

Yeah.

Ovido is now probably facing life in prison, and he's only my age. But did he had a chance, really? His only sin is being the son of a chap of his man. Now, when you're outside those families and you're impoverished, I think you probably have some options. Not to get rich. You're not going to get rich. But to have decent life, somewhat decent life. But I think also the whole culture of easy money, of everyone trying to make money the easiest way and the fastest they can and getting to the top when you're 25 and driving Ferraris and owning houses and girls and clubs and shit, that's poisoning a lot of the people in Mexico because that's not feasible in Mexico. That's probably feasible and realistically achievable in the US. Probably. Work hard. You're smart. Put up a business. Grow that business. You can probably end up doing really well. You're smart enough to create a new app that no one was thinking of. Boom, you grow. You solve a logistic nightmare for a bunch of businesses. Boom, you spike up. In Mexico, there is not that easy money like that. You can't get rich like that unless you want to be part of the cartel, but you're probably going to end up killed and poor.

Yeah. One more thing on this propaganda/style thing. I just want to keep hitting on it.

Yeah, sure, man.

It's a real thing. This could actually work. And somebody is going to listen to this and think that this is also a good idea that's in a position that might be able to make something like this happen. The minute that happens and the minute you start to get into the head of these organizations, expansion stops because then the problem is internal. And so all eyes go internal versus expansion, and then the shrinking begins.

Exactly. But now you have two things. First, I think if someone is trying to start a sign-up between cartels, you need to know that you need to know the consequences, the outcome, plan what you're planning to do. Or you can be in the middle of a lot of bullshit. If you're just a regular guy on a computer saying, You know what? I'm going to do a lot of fake accounts and start dipping, then you're going to get into shit. Because these guys, it looks like we're saying they're dumb, they're not. They're pretty smart, and they have a lot of smart people around them. They're fucking smart people. They just lack a lot of different strengths, but they're fucking smart people.

Just because they're not ethical doesn't mean they're not intelligent.

Yeah, don't do it. To run this business, you have to be smart. You can't be a dumb fucking leader of a cartel. You lack a lot of stuff. That's why your morals and ethics are shaky and are flexible. And that's why you do all sorts of shit, because in terms of money or power, but you're smart. And the other thing is we need to also address that the cartels or criminal organizations are, for the most part, they're not vertical. They're horizontal structured. This means that if you operate on this part of the business within this family and they shrink, you're still going to have different knots operating on a horizontal level. You need to do things that affect the ground, the leveled ground of the organization for all of them, for all these different structures. Because it's not vertically where the leadership is going to shrink and then everybody's going to fall out. It's just going to shrink this part. But all these are still going to be operating. And then you're going to shrink this one and then this one's going to move here. So you need to affect the ground. And I don't know what the ground means.

Probably money, power, corruption.

The never ending discussion. Maybe that'll be implemented by the time we meet each other again. But let's move into... I keep saying this, and I want to talk about it. From my point of view, you're two years ahead of the news cycle. I've been bringing it up multiple times. You were talking about trying to send it in the chemists. You were talking about trying to send it in the supply. And now all of a sudden, the politicians, the media is finally picking this stuff up. But this is two years old. The last time we spoke, the cartels were already implementing the new drug that's going to take fentanyl's place. So fentanyl took over heroin. It's more potent than heroin. Now there's this new drug. It's called Nitizanase. Is that.

The name of it? Yeah, Nitazines.

How do.

You say it?

-nitazines. -nitazine?

Yes. It's also a man-made drug in laboratories. I can't exactly remember the origin of this shit, but it's something like Germany or some stuff like that as an experiment for a super potent opioid that could stop pain, very similar to fentanyl. This shit, it's also like 50 times more powerful than fentanyl. I've been speaking with doctors that they are very much on high alert. They're like, Dude, this is getting bad. I've been talking to first responders, firefighters, local police in different cities in the US, and addicts themselves, cartel members, and all of them know about this. There is no way that this is not making it through the news or politicians. And all they're talking again, it's fentanyl's a talking point.

How long has this.

Stuff been happening? This was a year.

Ago that you.

Bought this out. Literally. Literally. It's has been happening for over a year. I haven't even published anything because the answers I'm getting from editors and magazines or whatever, it's too into the weeds. It's basically the same as fentanyl. It's another one of those stories. This is too into detail, no one's really going to care.

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I hope they care, man, because this is already in the streets of this country. If you have friends or contacts or probably if you have people watching that are first responders, that are doctors, they're going to know what I'm talking about when you bring out nioticines and all sorts of scenes. There's like 100 or 200 more of the same families. They're hitting the streets. That's why sometimes you will test an overdose patient and it wouldn't show up fentanyl. It's not fentanyl. It's something else. It's nidism. It's nidicins or one of the scenes.

This is-So is this a pharmaceutical drug?

No, that's not pharmaceutical. Apparently, that was banned. That was like, This is too potent. We're not fabricating this shit. And someone- Leaked it. -leaked it or leaked a formula, and then they started producing that shit, which is super weird. And now it's all over. It's all over. Again, the same supply, the same supply chain, the same supply routes.

So it is coming in from China?

Coming from China. Same shit. Apparently, I think I probably get this bad wrong, and I'll probably get someone in the comments correcting that shit. But if I'm not mistaken, I think it was first developed in Germany decades ago.

The drug was developed in Germany, but the supplies are coming out of China.

But the supplies are recent and coming out.

Of China. Is it the same chemicals?

I have no clue, man. Honestly, I have not clue. I'm very ignorant when it comes to chemical components and shit like that.

Where are they putting it in? Is it pills?

Yeah, in the same steam flow, the same stream that Fentanyl is getting with. Heroin, pills, Tylenols, fake Xanax, fake oxes, all that shit. And all that stuff. Yes. It's basically same effect, same stuff, but more potent than fentanyl. It's 50 % more potent than fentanyl. That means with heroin, if you needed, let's just make a fake measurement, if you needed this amount of heroin, liquid or whatever to inject to have a strong high. With fentanyl, you need this amount to have the same strength. With nitricin is going to be half that. It's less. So more profitable than fentanyl for cartels. They need to add less or they're going to kill more people if they keep adding the same amount.

So what's the point? Why even replace it? They are worried about killing off.

Their users. They don't give a shit. They don't care. They don't care. They don't care. I mean, if we had five of those guys here that I've talked to over these past two years, they're going to all agree on something. They're going to say, This is not an issue, man. If you want to use that, you have the freedom, that's on you. You want to die from using it? You know what it has. You know what it does. There's overdoses all around you. This is either because you wanted something stronger, that's on you, not on me, or because someone's you up. One of your local leaders is over. But we were doing what we need to do: make more revenue, ship whatever you guys are asking for. That's what they say. All of them, this is what they say. This is something the Americans are asking for. They ask for this shit. When we started putting up against just like regular heroin, prices went down because no one was buying that shit. But when we started like Pentanylase, prices started spiking. They want that shit. They're just supplying a demand.

Are they just spiking again with Nitison?

They're spiking with Nitison. It's all over, man. Many of the fucking cartels, many of the guys cooking shit, they don't even know. Probably the first chemist that went with this China's chemist and probably those guys, they know exactly what's happening. But then they pass the recipe through or sell the whole batches. There's just people mixing it. They don't even know. If you ask them, Is that fentanyl or is that niticine? What is it? They say, It's white chiva, chiva blanca, which is basically fentanyl-laced heroin or something laced heroin. They don't even know. They're just mixing it because someone sold that shit. They just, Don't add that much. Add this much, and that's it.

Do you think there's more Nitisin than fentanyl now?

I don't think it's still more niticine than fentanyl right now, but I think it's just as much as you need to have another hundred thousand overdoses in this country. Man, wow. Yeah, dude, it's bad. The last time I spoke with these guys, I can't remember Doctor Kala, I can't remember his name, great doctor. He's dealing with addictions and with fentanyl problems and all these issues at a chemical, biological level. He was absolutely worried about niticins. He's like, Dude, forget about fentanyl. This was over a year ago. He was like, Dude, forget about fentanyl. This is the new thing. Then I get reached pretty often by first responders from all over the country on my socials saying, Dude, have you? Do you have any info on this shit? It's testing positive for this new thing, which is an cytosine or something like that. I started getting more and more and more through over this year. I was like, What the fuck? This is something huge and new.

One thing that I don't understand, and I don't know if this is coming from cartels or people that are cutting drugs here in the US, but you hear about all these people that are overdosing on fentanyl for smoking a joint or sniffing Coke. I mean, it's... Why are they the ones doing that? Lacing these other drugs, these recreational drugs with fentanyl?

Yeah. I'm not sure about weed. I've never found any positive evidence that it is getting laced with weed. I think there is some cross-contamination with weed. Probably the same case with cocaine, because it will be against the effects you're looking with Coke. With Coke, you're looking to go up and the opioids and fentanyl shit, it's going down. I don't think that will be by design. I do think that should be or could be cross-contamination in some cases, isolated cases, or a bad dealer that didn't even know what is doing and is just lacing it with whatever. But I don't think that's intended.

Okay. It is.

Intended with heroin. It is intended in a lot of fake peels. In Sinaloa, the last couple of times I've been there, they have all sorts of pressures with the with the Sanax logo, with the Adville logo, with the M30s, different peel pressing machines, which they sell counterfeit. They sell that shit as if it's real oxy content. And there's a lot of people that actually believe that it's proper. It is now very hard to find those M30s. Probably impossible to find it on a legal streamline. You can't go to the doctor and say, You really need a prescription and being in a need of M30s. There are some of them that are selling that. They have proper prescriptions because they have something and they sell that on the black market. That's where the other shit comes in. Because all the shit that's coming from Mexico, it's fake M-30s, fully laced with fentanyl, not original oxycontin. Let's say you are a dad and you have a problem, an issue, you have strong pain, whatever. So you got proper oxycontin by your doctor. And your daughter, teenager, whatever, finds the bottle, Pubs 10, goes out to school and starts selling them because they're hot now.

Everybody wants those M30s, right? So now that shit is in the black market, but that shit is real. And then another dude shows up saying like, Hey, I also have some M30s, but how are the price you're selling them? But these guys is bringing all the fake M30s from Mexico. Cheap stuff, like with fentanyl. So all your friends start doing that shit, which is cheaper and more easy to keep getting them until you get a bad one, then you're done.

That makes sense.

And same with Sannex and all those different opioids, right?

Yeah. Man, that stuff is powerful, man. If they really wanted to do some massive carnage with the drone stuff, they'd quit messing around with explosives and put those in there.

Yeah, for real, dude.

And I'm not joking.

That shit is... There's a lot. I have this video on my YouTube channel when I went inside one of these fentanyl labs, right? If you go scroll the comments from 200 comments, 150, or people trying to get those pills, they're like, Where can I get those? I need those. I need someone 30. Did you have a plug in Phoenix? Did you have a plug in Douglas? Did you have a plug in New York. People are all over that shit, man. Or a lot of comments like, I'm just about to smoke one. I just took one.

Man.

There's people who like that strong high.

I mean, this stuff is serious. I mean, more and more in the media, you're starting to see kids dying on playgrounds by sticking themselves with a dirty fentanyl needle, or it's been used as a weapon against police officers at this point where they blow it at them or throw fentanyl at them and these getsad. It's dangerous. -forced men officers are ODing on this stuff.

It's dangerous. Fucking shit, man. It's killing people in this country and in Mexico as well. I mean, even though fentanyl is not huge in Mexico, which makes me think also who's giving those orders like, right? It's not like cocaine. It's not hitting Mexico. It's all over Mexico. Methamphetamine, every other drug but fentanyl, it's widespread in Mexico. Europe as well. There is not a strong offering of fentanyl in Europe, and in Mexico it's banned to consume.

That's actually where I wanted to go next is what other countries are the cartels operating in other than Latin America and the US and Canada?

Europe has always been a strong market for cartels, probably very unexplored for the most part, because what they did is they broke deals with local gangs in places like Spain, where a lot of tourists and young people go to party, and that's where the supply comes. It was mostly also directly coming from Colombia and Ecuador. Paraguay probably. Weed and cocaine, metamfenamine somewhat. Not really. But that was the usual market for Europe. Then the cartels probably felt like we already capped the US market. We need another market. So they started moving into Europe, into Spain, the Netherlands, Italy, breaking deals with the mafias there, with the Albanian mafia. They have huge deals, like strong relationship, Mexicans and Albanians. It's probably easier for all of them. Spain right now, it's probably the second largest headquarter for the Sinaloa cartel after Culacán. It's fucking. They're huge in Spain. They went in and bought a bunch of properties, a bunch of cars, a bunch of businesses. They set up shop in Spain hard, like hardcore. And now the Spain national police is like, What the fuck are we going to do with all these dudes? We keep arresting major haunches of the Sinema or cartel in the country.

And apparently the network is huge. It's huge. They opened up shop there. They started cooking there, Metamfenament, because it was probably easier to start cooking within the country than bringing shit over. They found a good proxy for cocaine. Africa was a great proxy for them. They will ship cocaine straight from Colombia, Ecuador to Africa, use the local gangs to protect, to run, to smuggle, to everything, and then put that right up through Italy across the- Mediterranean. -hebraltar. No kidding.

How long has this been.

Going on? This has been going on for probably five, six years now. And also another huge port of entry, it's Anverp. They found this little port in Netherlands called Anverp. It was a small commercial port, very much unwatched. They managed to corrupt every single fucking officer and every single fucking person in Anverp. Now they're pushing in a lot of stuff through Anverp to a point that it's now again out of control. The Netherlands, it's having a hard time to stop shit from coming in through Antwerp because of the corruption network they managed to establish there. I guess Europe right now, it's a super hot market for Mexican criminal organizations, specifically for the Sinaloa and Jalisco Cartels. Those guys, Jalisco Cartels did something that the Sinaloa cartels wanted to do for a good while and they couldn't achieve, which is basically getting Africa, well, not the whole continent, probably the West side of Africa, these West countries in Africa, to basically have a flag of their cartel. El Chapel tried to do several times that. But he was facing that the gangs were not really aligning with his operations and it wasn't really working. Although he used Africa as a proxy to push shit in, he rather went to Antwerp and start corrupting people there and pushing drugs through Antwerp and through Spain instead of dealing with the Africans.

But the cartel, Jalisco somehow they found a way to own Africa, to own turf, to own gangs. It's beenAnd if you go on Africa and start asking about the Jalisco cartel, whatever, they know what you're talking about. A lot of them are working for the Jalisco cartel.

So how does it work? Would the cartels send in there? Would they do what China did and send in chemists and send supplies, or do they send the entire enterprise out there and it's their own cooks, it's their own gangs, it's their own-.

I think what they do is they find first leadership between the gangs and the governments. The African government is also pretty weak when it comes to corruption. It's highly corruptible. They find these open windows and they start lending the name, right? They start like, Dude, we have the best prices. We have the best context in South America. We own the shit. We'll give you a cut and you can use our name because we're a big enterprise. They open up these, what do you say, franchises at the beginning and after a few years, they owned the full thing. They are operating under their name of Cartel Jalisco and within the leadership of Cartel, Jalisco. Jalisco Cartel is now huge in Africa. The San Ola Cartel is huge in Spain and both are huge in Anverp in the Netherlands.

What do you think that the most profitable strategy is? Would it be the San Ola Cartel inside Spain, inside Europe, setting up little satellite drug production points? Or would it be a big production facility in Africa and just sending boats, fishing boats, submarines, airplanes, whatever you can across the.

Mediterranean and Europe. I think that's probably the most profitable. Africa has the perfect storm for criminal organizations. Highly corrupted, weak on their governments, and starving to death. Yeah. What are.

These deals they're making with the Eastern Bloc countries? I mean, you had mentioned the, I.

Believe, the Albanians. Albanians? Yeah, Albanians. I think pretty much they run, for what I understand, Albanians are huge in Ecuador specifically. They started operating their own mafia in Ecuador and in some parts of Mexico, like Cancun.

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Very small operations in Colombia, but that was the Albanian mafia trying to go there.

And say- What are they trying to accomplish?

They wanted to have great deals in terms of cocaine and drugs, right?

Because they're more into.

Human trafficking. At the beginning, apparently they were just opening up to a stream of cocaine. Then they started opening up like, Okay, so we can have a deal where you give us cocaine, we'll smuggle, and girls for human trafficking through your country, and we'll start benefiting from that. Then it changed when these cartels in a law in Carter, Jalisco, started going south at some point. This was something pretty smart and genius by the Jalisco Cartel. What they did is they said, Okay, so the US, it's done. We have hands there. The San Diego Cartel, for the most part, has a lot of clients. But we haven't looked south. We need to own because we have suppliers in south. But we don't own that supply thing. We buy from them. We need to own that shit. They went to Ecuador, to Colombia, to Venezuela, to Paraguay to literally own that part of the business. To first franchise it and second saying, We own this shit. Now, the gangs fighting in Ecuador, Ecuador is having one of the worst moments in history when it comes to violence right now. It's probably as much, if not worse, than what is happening in Mexico.

It's a bloodshed in Ecuador. Before it was the choneros versus the other guys. I can't remember the name. I can't remember the name. Two local gangs, basically gangs. But now it's the San Aloban cartel against the Cartel, the Jalisco New Generation. They exported the leadership of the cartel to these places, to these territories. What happened that deals with the Albanians is that now two mafias are in charge of heavy part of both businesses, of human trafficking and of drugs trafficking to Europe, benefiting off of each other, using the same level of violence. They're not fighting. You're not seeing the Albanians fighting the Jalisco cartel, the Sinaloa cartel. There are three different turf prices working each other. Street level, Jalisco versus Sinaloa fighting for turf in Ecuador. Apparently, they do have a good relationship and they should have something put together when it comes to these mafias in the Eastern part of Europe.

How are these guys? I mean, man, this is really going to hit Europe. This is going to be interesting. It's going to be an interesting news cycle as well when this starts to make mainstream media, probably in the next two years. Two years, bro.

The next two years you're going to tell me, Dude, I just interviewed a politician saying that there's a new thing called Midasines and the.

Ecuadorians are crazy. Yeah, and that the fentanyl market in Europe is taking off. Yes. I mean, that's going to be an interesting news cycle when Europe's hard on the US. They're very critical of the stuff that we're doing. It'll be interesting when they have the fentanyl problem in full force what they have to say about how we're dealing with this problem then.

If they do, man, because again, this is why I first started believing that this was an attack, basically, on this country. No one else is using. No one else is demanding. It's not popping up nowhere else. Just in the fucking US. Why? It's like, dude, that has to be by the sign.

Well, a lot of people believe that China aided the cartels because of the opium wars.

Yeah. I'm not sure if that's the reason behind it, right? The opium wars, revenge or whatever, I can't say. But I do can say it's like the target was and has been the US.

That's definitely true. Yeah. Well, I mean, benefits China to weaken us. It definitely benefits the cartel that we're just right across the border. But now it seems they're maxed out, as we discussed earlier, and so they're looking for new turf. Where's the new turf?

Probably Europe. Europe. Very probably, or Africa. There's a lot of.

Settling-well, the problem with Africa is they won't be able to afford the product. Yeah, that is true. But the Europeans can afford the product.

The.

Several countries in Asia would be able to afford the product. That is so weird. And it's going crazy in Canada, too. Yeah. That'll be an interesting news cycle. But how are they setting up within the United States? I know that the... I don't think the fact that the cartels, the upper echelon of the enterprises that are setting up within the US, I don't think that has anything to do with how open the border is as much as I would love to create that narrative. I mean, they're going to get here no matter what. But the massive amounts of fentanyl and human trafficking, I think that we could at least slow the bleed there. But how are these guys setting up their enterprise here in the US?

Basically, the US has the money, has the power. It's a client. That's for one thing. I guess from the 90s, 80s, they started doing great relationships, establishing relationships in the US, coming to the US, meeting clients in the US since back then. Right now, if you look at the heads ofthe Valt's cartel, talking about the San Loba cartel and the Cartel, Calisco de la Newa Generación, most of their families are on this country. It will be naïve to believe that they're not working for the organization, that they're just family members. The daughters of El Mencho, leader of the Cartel, Jalisco, New Generation, they were born in the US. They're US citizens. They've been operating from here. They've been arrested and freed and keep back at it. The sons of El Mayo, all of his sons, every single one of the sons of El Mayo Zambada, has been arrested in this country and eventually freed and back at it. There is no higher-up when it comes to the criminal organizations, right? The main leaders of the organizations are operating within this country because they feel safer, safest.

I understand that. I guess what I'm talking about, I do understand what you're saying. What I'm talking about is how deep into the system are they woven into the US?

Like with the government.

Or- With the government, with everything. How are they embedding within the government? How are they setting up their organizations here? They can't just go to here. They can't just go in Missouri. I don't think they can. Or Illinois and say, Sell these cornfields. We're taking over all these cornfields now. This is our product. They might be able to do that in Mexico. I don't think that they can do that here yet, but I'm sure they're trying to figure out how they can implement it.

No, you know what? What's the thing that it's probably misunderstood when it comes to the presence of criminal organizations in the US is that they've always been here. Usually, we see them and us, or us and them, and we feel that that's the cartel and we just buy drugs. But a cartel exists in the terms of who owns that product and who sells it. Mexico, for criminal organizations, is not profitable. It's not probably smart to send Mexicans, members of a cartel, to set up shops. They just rather hire by invitation, by money, by collaboration, or by membership Americans saying, You're already an American citizen. You want to work with us? Let's partner up. You buy the stuff, get rid of the product as long as it's on your side of the country, and I don't give a shit what you do with the product, just go and do it. And you send back arms and money, and we'll continue to deal with that. I think that's why we're not going to see cartels forming within the US. Cartel presence? Absolutely, because Cinaloa Cartel has put in places with Americans. We've been seeing doctors, teachers, politicians, officers, arrested, working for either the Sinaloa or the Jaleisco Cartel.

My feed on Instagram is full with reels of these people, like recently California, this woman who is the leader of the tax force against fentanyl for the state police, whatever, she was literally arrested with a bunch of fentanyl orders. Why? Because probably these cartels, this leadership through someone, through a middleman, got to her. They're like, Hey, you want to make some extra money? You're already in a great position. You're a US citizen. You keep 50 % of what we make, and you don't need to make anything. Just help us out. Putting a blind eye and probably shedding up your own shit. And white woman, man, from a great place, great background, very well respected. She's the leader of the union, of the state police or something in California. Are you serious? Yeah, dude, I'll tell you that. Caught with a she-ton of fentanyl orders, putting up business. That's the way they operate. We think like, Oh, it's going to come, at least Mexican with bulletproof vest to set up shop. No, dude, they're smarter than that. They'll just get to you and hire you and make you a partner. And all of a sudden, you are a cartel.

You were part of that organization. You know?

Well, that's what I meant. How are they smartly getting into the US? I know it's not time now for them to send armies or anything like that, you know what I mean? But I mean, they're obviously very good at playing the long game. And I'm sure they.

Have a strong corrupting power. I was just looking this morning because I'm putting together a story about human smuggling and how is that working out in terms of money, who's making money, who's getting the sentence? I went into the US Sentencing Commission website, and I started looking at the graphs and other figures and one by one, and you look like 1993, 80% non-US citizens, sentenced for smuggling humans across the border. Some 20% were US citizens, Americans. Then you go through the years and that number started going up and up until you get to 2022, and it's 80 % of those sentence for human smuggling are US citizens, and only 20%. It's non-citizens. It doesn't specify if it's Mexican or whatever, but it says non-US citizens. They literally exported their whole fucking business to Americans. They said, You know what? You're already a citizen. You can't go through checkpoints. We're not going to. We're just going to drop the fucking humans, migrants across these walls, you take over and you charge half of it, keep the money. And that way, they exploded the business. They were getting more money from a shorter cake. Now it's a huge fucking cake.

Small money, but still a huge cake. That was surprising to me to look on documents, not even let someone tell me that. It's literally documents that you're reviewing, how many sentences and who is getting sentenced for human smuggling. And it's 79.4% Americans.

Wow.

Fucking nuts.

I wasn't expecting to hear that statistic.

Yeah, dude. Right when you picked me up from the hotel, I was looking through those stats because I think it's a good story.

Unbelievable. What do you think about the portal? About the border. Elon Musk just went down there not long ago. He's purporting on it. What do you think about this?

First of all, I think the border is a mess, and I think we all agree on that, man. It's a mess. It's messy. It's bad. It's ugly for everyone. It's not good for no one, I believe. Probably from some politicians, from a handful of politicians in Washington, it's good for them, probably.

Does Mexico want that border secured?

Mexico doesn't give a shit about its borders.

You don't think they care about the guns coming into their country?

Oh, man. They don't care less. Mexico, it's in a point where they couldn't care less. Mexico cares about the next upcoming elections. That's why they're fighting so much with the US. They're like, We're going to put together... I don't know. This press are talking about how we're working together to battle fentanyl and to battle arms trafficking. Mexico don't care, man. We have our own Border Patrol called the INM, Instituto de Nacional de Migracion, Mexican National... Mexican Institute of Immigration, the most corrupt institution in the country by far. These guys are an extortion center. They're extorting migrants. They're extorting cartels. They're getting money from cartels, and they're in charge of stopping migrants from breaching the border. No wonder the fucking border is like that. They don't give a shit. They're just making money. Now, how it looks on the ground, if you go to El Paso streets, they're a mess. There are migrants all over. They can't find a place to stay. Half of them got across lawfully because this is something that also it's important to clarify. It's not legally, but it's lawful. There is a law that allows you to cross illegally the border and then request political asylum, right?

You're crossing the border illegally, but through a lawful way to do it. You're not running away from the Border Patrol. You're turning yourself into the Border Patrol. You're waiting for them to pick you up. Then once they pick you up, the US government has a responsibility to start a process for you to claim asylum. Then eventually, through the years, you go to court and shit, and they say, You don't have any foundation, so you go back to your country. Or, Yes, you have foundations. You can stay here. You can stay in the country. It could take months or it could take 15 years.

A.

Lot of people is doing that. The thing is there is not a system operating in the border. There is not a way, a path. The Biden administration said they have a path. They said, CVP 1 is a phone app where you can stay in Colombia, in Ecuador, in Honduras, whatever you are, apply. Eventually, you'll get a notification saying, Oh, you can come and let's review your process and let's see what's up. Obviously, it's not working. The app is bugged, doesn't have enough applications, it's always crashing. Half of these people, they don't have access to the internet with enough capability to go through this app. The other half are getting scammed, and the other half can't stay in place. There's a lot of economical migrants. There's a lot of security migrants as well. They're threatened by gangs or by their own government to get toget them killed, or they already killed their kids, their wife, their husband, so they can stay in place. The system is not working. There is not a system. When there is not a system, you also have a bunch of... In El Paso, when you go downtown El Paso, you have a bunch of them that are crossed illegally, that crossed through the border, paying a cartel, paying a smuggler, and they jump the fence.

I have a bunch of videos of them jumping the fence. If you go literally dead, it's so bad that if you and I were to go to El Paso de Casel. I'll take you to dinner to a good restaurant that it's right there with a border wall as a backdrop. The first 15 minutes we're sitting there, you're going to start watching someone jumping the fence right there. It's that easy. You don't even have to go and find them. You just stand there. The other one is just doing a news stand-up for a news outlet. I was doing the typical reporter stand-up with the camera. I'm here at the border, blah, blah, blah. When I'm reviewing the footage, there's guys jumping behind me, jumping the fuck well. It's happening a lot. A lot. You see the Border Patrol driving in or whatever. I don't know if it's real that they are overwhelmed or I don't know.

Well, I mean, you got to put yourself in their shoes too. I mean, they get reprimanded for doing their own job.

Yeah, that is.

True too. And we saw a big news piece, what I guess about a year, maybe two years ago, where they had that Border Patrol guy on horseback, and they told everybody that he was whipped the migrants when it wound up just being the horse reins. Yes. And it'sYou got to put yourself in their shoes. What would.

You do? I've been embedding with them as well very often to go on ride along on the border with the Border Patrol in El Paso sector. They've been really nice to me. You see, once they're driving, they get a call. It's like, Oh, there's another migrant trying to get across the fence. When they're driving there, there's another one here. And someone there, No, we're busy dealing with another group of... It's just a lot of people, man. There is no way that a wall, a Border Patrol, these guys are going to find a way. They are creative. They're desperate, some of them. The border is just like that. What you need is a system to separate those who are realistically requesting political asylum and all of those who are just trying to... Because if you put yourself also in the shoes of a migrant, I think it's a very different situation you're facing. You're facing, You know what? My military government tried to take me. They already tortured me. I need to leave. Probably the safest place will be America, the US. But if you're trying to do that, you're going to try to do it the right way.

You're going to try to ask for political asylum, go through a system, But if you can't find a system and when you reach the border, a place you don't know, you're like, So where? There's a lot of smugglers and other migrants and other people telling you, No, just got to cross the border, man. Just get across. Just give me 1,000 bucks and just get across. You're like, Yeah, it's okay with my family? Yeah, with your family, your babies and everything. Once you get across, the Border Patrol is like, What the fuck? You just crossed illegally, dude. We can't process you like that. Just go back to Mexico. So I understand both sides. Now, the guys who are willingly looking to get across illegally, there's got to be a reason why, right? They probably don't have any claims to do as a political asylum. They're not interested in doing it. But in a lawful way. They want to come here to this country legally, being a shadow, right? For some reason. And it's overwhelming, probably yes. I don't know. Yeah.

Do you thinkthat this... Is there anything we can do to stop the fentanyl? I mean, I talked to a lot of experts, yourself included, other investigative journalists that cover cartel stuff. You guys are always the ones that are like, It's not going to work. That wall, that's not going to work. That's not going to work.

No, I don't think it's going to work like that because right now, again, if you go to the statistics on the web page on customer and board protections and see the seizures of drugs. Less than 10% is coming in between ports of entry, meaning through the wall, under tunnels, whatever. Less than 10%, man, that's not even significant. 90-something %, it's coming through the ports of entry. And when you see, again, the people arrested, Americans, 90% Americans smuggling.

Now, I think-Do you think that there's a possibility that these statistics are skewed because there's more security at the actual entry points versus the vastness or the US-Mexico border?

You know what? I explore that possibility. But when Itried to go out and there's this story in Mexico. I embedded the whole route of fentanyl, right? From Sanaloe, the drive-up to a place called Mexicali in Baja California. And talking to those guys, they're telling me, Dude, you don't put all your eggs in the same basket. If you have a migrant with drugs, you can have a double loss. You can't only afford to lose one, the migrant or the drugs. You're not going to lose two pieces of merchandise at once. That's their logic. They think, We're not going to put migrants with drugs. Also, they say, We're not going to put drugs through the desert or whatever because it's going to be easier to be spotted. How much drugs can you store in a person, in a human or whatever? You're not a vehicle to get across. You can't do that in certain places. There is the there is a huge canyon and then the river. In others, it's the river with a high flow. In others, it's the wall. In others, it's just the desert. You can easily spot it. What they did is they started hiring Americans.

The same thought as human smuggling. They're like, You're already an American. You can pass these checkpoints pretty easy because if you tell the CVP officer, I'm an American citizen, you're usually excused from secondary and stuff, usually. We embedded with a girl, with a woman. She's the mother of five kids. She lost her job during the pandemic. A friend of her at a bar came up with that, came out like, Hey, dude, I know a couple of guys that will give you a car, nice car, and they'll give you five grand every time you cross. You don't even going to know where the drugs is or what are you getting across. You're just going to get five grand as soon as you get to this hotel every time. You do it whenever you can, however you can, on your free time, whatever. She first started working at a local restaurant in Calexico. Shitty small place, man. There's really not much of jobs or whatever. She wasn't making enough. She was like, Dude, my husband left. I'm in charge of five kids. I'm not making enough. Plus, I'm just making enough to pay for a place to keep my child, my kid.

She decided to call the guy. He hooked her up just right across the border. They gave him my 2,005 Mercedes-Benz, nice car. That's yours, plus here's your 5,000 in the Benz and just bring the car tomorrow. The cartel guys that I interviewed that were stashing her car right there when I was there, that's where I met her, they told me the first five, six times we sent her across without anything. She thought she had anything, but we're doing that to test her first and also to get the custom officers used to her crossing every other day, once a week, every weekend. They were used to her. If they looked for something, they were not going to find anything. So we did that. We do that several rounds. And then after the sixth, boom, we loaded the gas tank packed with fentanyl peels, and off she goes. And she's been doing that for the last couple of years. And every time she's like, Dude, I need to stop, but I can't stop right now. I'm doing money, man. And she's like, I keep promising myself I'm going to save enough money to stop working, but I keep spending that money.

And then I go back again and then I go back again. And when we were filming, we were behind her, filming her car, loaded with fentanyl. She got secondary. They couldn't find shit. They couldn't find shit. We were like, Fuck man, because we had to go to another line. And we're like, Fuck. She's done, man. She's going to get a lot of in prison. So anyhow, we waited at the motel. She was supposed to leave the stuff. And yeah, she showed up. We interviewed her. She was almost crying in the interview. She was like, Dude, I was so scared. Did they find anything? She's like, They didn't find anything. Do you know what you're carrying? No. Do you know where? No, they never tell me. And she swore to the cameras again like, This is the last time I'm going to do it. Now I'm scared. Pretty sure she's still doing it. That's the same case for a lot of Americans, too. 90% of the drugs are being smuggled through ports of entry by Americans, enticed by the fucking cartels. Because the cartels, they have the money, so the money pays. They recruit them.

They recruit them. They selectively look for poverty.

-exactly. -desperation. -for people desperate.

Yeah, people in need. A single mom who's trying to wick her way to... Yeah, dude. At a Waffle Town.

Exactly.

Dude. It's not going to happen. Yeah, it.

Was sad because I mean- Growing.

Up like that, that's hard to refuse. You got kids and...

Sometimes you have to do what you have to do to get afloat. And sadly for her, that was her option. And it was pretty shocking and sad to see her because she was such a nice woman. She was probably a bit older than me and she was good. She was really nice. You could tell she was struggling. She was struggling. She's not a drug user, not heavy drinker or anything like that. She's a nice woman trying to get her shit together for her five kids. And all of a sudden, she shows up at this house in, with a bunch of cartel guys, all caught up with a bunch of lions in the house, kids playing around, weapons all over. They're like, Yeah, just go to the store as usual. So you usually go to the store in the corner to hang out there with the owners, have a couple of chips, a soda, while these guys stash her car with shit. So she wouldn't even know where she has the shit in case they ask her. And then up she goes. That's how this is happening. All the shit we hear, all those talking points, I get it.

I get how someone could think that it's migrants coming over with bags and bags of fentanyl, that is not happening. That is not happening. If you have footage or photos or whatever, that's probably an isolated case. These are the numbers. These are the stats. These are the interviews straight from cartel members, straight from a human career that got enticed to work with this guy.

Man.

This is how they're breaking this country.

This is how.

They're breaking it. They're taking advantage of the economy being so shitty right now. Everything is super expensive. The COVID shit broke this country to the ground.

Made.

A lot of people super poor, made a lot of people super, super wealthy.

Yes, it did. Well, Luis, what else do we have to cover? Do we have anything else?

I don't think so, man. I think we're good and have to fly to catch. I hope there is a fourth time. I think there will be.

What are you getting ready to get into? Anything crazy?

Yes. I do have a couple of places I'm going to travel. I want to start doing more stuff within the US. Nice. These guys are embedding and doing crazy stuff in the US. We can talk about criminal organizations.

Well, I'll tell you what. How long is it going to take you to figure out what the hell is going on.

Here in the US? Well, not much. I just need to work the logistics and the accesses. You need to talk to these guys a lot of times and several hours so they understand what I want to do, how I want to do it. Because if you just show up, you could go south really quick. If they see a camera, they're like, Oh, you didn't tell me, or I need to help them understand exactly how is it going to look and what camera I'm taking and who's coming with me and what I'm trying to achieve and what question I'm going to ask and that stuff. It's going to take probably still a couple of weeks, months.

I would love to do an episode with you where all we talk about is cartels embedded in the United States. Yeah, I do. And how they're operating footage, whole thing. Yeah, that's cool. Just like every other time. I think that would be an amazing-.

That'll be cool, yeah. I'll probably bring you with me.

Say.

Again. I'll probably bring you.

With me. Yeah, we talked about... We did talk about some stuff last night. Look, if these media outlets are giving you a hard time and they're not paying for the stories, I'm going to tell you right now, I love everything that you're reporting on. I think you are one of the most cutting edge reporters I've.

Ever met. Really appreciate it, man.

You are always welcome here, man. And then some of this other stuff that we're working on, if these... Can I talk a little bit about it?

About the exclusive interview?

I won't say who it is.

Yeah, as long as we leave out his name or his context.

Let's talk about that. Yeah, probably. But there are some very prominent figures inside the cartel world here in the US that we may be setting up an interview with. And his face wouldn't be shown. But man, if that happens.

Let's do that, man. Let's do it. I told you they're ready. They're ready to... They're ready to go. They're ready to go.

They know it?

Yeah, they know your show. I told them through a secure communication last night that I was coming back on your show, and that it was like, Tell him to get ready to have me on his show. So that'll be interesting, man. I think you will have an interesting conversation with this guy.

So do I. I don't think I would. I know I would.

Yeah, you will.

I'm down. Let's do it. Let's set it up. We will be in touch. Let's set that up. I want to do it. I can't believe the cartels, the Sanilow cartels is what watching the Sean Ryan show. That blows my mind.

That is for sure, man. That is 100 % sure. I think you know what? I think they like that some of your guests are pretty knowledgeable when it comes to arms to military strategy, that stuff. I think they're interested in that thing.

They watch that.

Stuff too? Yeah, no, they watch your show. They don't watch me on your show.

They watch your show. They watch your show.

Yeah. They watch your show, man. They watch the interviews, they watch all the stuff. They love that guy talking about that CIA guy-.

Eric.

Prince? -talking about the UFOs and this guy who said he was in the CIA, was that Eric? No, I was not Eric Prince. Which one? This guy with the curly hair.

Oh, Andrew Boostamontrae.

-they like him. -they like him. They like that interview. We chatted a bit about that when I was doing this. I told you I had this interview, 16 hours of interview with one of these guys, with a couple of those guys. They were both talking about your show, and you could tell that they actually watch the show. They don't only watch it because they want to see what I say or whatever. They watch your show. They like it.

Holy.

Shit. They're like your interviews.

I wasn't.

Expecting that. And more than they like it, I think they respect your show. They respect your question. They respect the people you bring in. I think they respect that stuff.

Wow. I never would have.

Expected that. It's crazy, man. Yeah. I was telling them, Yeah, there's a show, whatever, because we were small talking. I know what I'm telling them. I went on this show and I actually told this guy these and that are what we're talking. And he's like, Oh, yeah. What was he? He told me, A marine or a SEAL? Something like that, right? I'm like, Yeah, Sean Ryan. He's like, Yeah, dude, I'm subscribed. I watched all of his interviews and that interview with the CIA guy talking about UFOs. They know. They know it.

Wow.

Fascinating. It's crazy, man.

Well, brother, I can't wait to knock that interview out. And if I can pull it off, if I can pull it off, which I think I can, it would just have to be spread out over time. I would love to go to some of these different cities within the US with you, just crank out these interviews. Maybe we could make a docuseries or something.

Let's do it. I'll produce it.

I love chatting with you, man. Thanks again for coming out. Thank you, brother.

Thanks for having me, man. That was a pleasure. Thanks for the gift, man.

My pleasure. Thanks. Be safe, brother. -thanks. -i want to.

See you back here. Sounds good.