Previously on The Sean Ryan Show. I had.

This drive to make sure that the Franklin scandal got published. I read that there were other girls that knew about Epstein, but that grand jury had an indict him on a single count of child molestation. I started investigating, and I ended up with Epstein's blank book.

Where did you start your investigation?

I started calling people that were involved, like I called Michael Ryder.

Was he.

Part of the cover-up? He was part of it getting exposed. Okay. Yeah, he was like Mr. Stand-up guy and all this. I mean, if it hadn't been for him, we wouldn't be here talking. People speculate that it was Israeli, not American. But here's the thing about that, and I try to explain it to people. There's no way that American intelligence is going to let Israeli intelligence compromise American politicians without getting a cut of that intelligence. There's just no way.

Well, maybe. I mean, why wouldn't they? I mean, if Jeffrey Epstein has blackmail on literally all these powerful people.

Well, here's what happened. Okay, so that state-run jury did indict Epstein on any counts of child abuse, Michael Ryder of the Palm Beach Police Department was just livid. And he went to the feds and he said, You guys have got to do something about this. At a certain point, the feds accumulated a list of 36 victims. I've got the list. The feds had a list of 36 victims. Alexander Acoste was the US Attorney for the Southern district of Florida, Miami. He was told not to go after Epstein, that Epstein was intelligence, and it was above his pay grade. Now, he said that he became Secretary of Labor under Trump, and when the Trump team was vetting him, they asked him, Why didn't you go after Epstein? He said, Well, I was told that Epstein was intelligence and it was above my pay grade not to go after him. It has come out that he said that, and he's never denied saying that. He was told, Epstein is intelligence, and you need to back away from him. And that's exactly. So when we're talking about power, this is a US attorney. There's two people constitutionally that can tell a US attorney to back down in the United States of America, the President and the attorney general.

So that's the power that Epstein was tapped into that a US attorney could be told to stand down.

Wow. So what was his name? Lessner? Less Wexner. Less Wexner. Was he the gateway to all the other powerful people that Epstein had intertwined into this web of elites?

I think that he was one of the gateways. I think that Epstein probably had multiple gateways. Like Leon Black, head of the Apollo group. Epstein got $156 million from him. And how did that happen? Well, Leon Black just happens to be in Jeffrey Epstein's Black Book. Glenn Dubin, another billionaire. He's actually circled. What happened was the house manager ripped off Abstein's black book. This is how I ended up getting it. The house manager ripped it off, and he tried to sell it to one of the attorneys that was launching civil suits at Epstein. And then the attorney called the FBI, and the FBI did a sting. But he circled a bunch of names that he saw had been involved with Epstein.

Epstein circled them or the house manager?

No, the house manager. The house manager did. Okay. So, Les Wexner's name had definitely circled. Bill Richardson's name is circled. Bruce King's name is circled, Glenn Dubin's name is circled, George Mitchell, the former majority leader of the Senate, his name is circled. Marvin Minsky, a famous scientist at MIT, his name is circled. Actually, a number of these people come up in depositions, a victim's deposition, when she names names.

So these names are popping up all over the place and it's all.

Sinking out. Yeah. And one of the circled names is Hud Barak, the former Prime Minister of Israel.

Any President's names in there?

Well, actually, Epstein has, I believe, 24 contact numbers for Clinton. And it's very obvious that Epstein was providing girls to Clinton. I mean, when Clinton was President, Epstein was going into the White House with girls, with women. I don't think that they were minors, but Epstein was definitely delivering women to Clinton when Clinton was in the White House.

What's with the painting? Do you know the painting.

You're talking about? Yeah, with Clinton and the Blue Dress.

What is that?

It's Jeffrey Epstein's perverted sense of humor towards Bill Clinton, I guess. I'm sure that Clinton probably never saw it.

What other paintings were there? Was anybody else we know?

No, nothing like that. Okay. Nothing like Bill Clinton and a Blue Dress, which is a frightening thought.

Yeah, we'll put it up on screen. It's a great painting.

Well, it's a very good painting, yeah.

I don't know why you'd want that painted, but keep going with the Black Book. I have so many questions that have...

Well, with the black book... So I got the black book, and I had direct contact information to Bill Clinton or... Mcjagger's name was in there, and there were the Kennedys, there was a Rothschild. Actually, Saurus's nephew was taking over of the Saurus Empire. He was he's circled. In the black book.

How many names are in the black book?

I would say a couple of hundred, 200, 300. I'm talking like people that that Epstein did business with. But then there's also the names of probably about 150 victims, too.

So if you had to describe the black book, how would you describe it? I mean, was it handwritten? Was it typed?

No, it was typed out. It was basically all the connections that Epstein.

Had made. It was just a Rolodex of people.

Yeah. And a thing that indicates guilt, and I'm not saying that categorical guilt, but it indicates guilt, is the more numbers that Epstein had for you. Even if you weren't... Like George Mitchell was named by a victim as a perpetrator.

Who's.

George Mitchell? He was the Democratic head of the Senate. When the Democrats... This is in the 1990s. When the Democrats had the... He was the majority leader of the Democrats. So he constitutionally was the President pro tempore, which makes so if the President goes and the vice president goes and the Speaker of the House goes, then the majority leader of the Senate takes over. So constitutionally, he was the fourth most powerful man in the country. And Epstein has like seven numbers for him. And then that girl came forward and said that she'd been molested. And here's the thing about this, though. Some of these guys, I mean, some of them are creepy. Like Alan Dershowitz is creepy, Les Wexner is creepy. But George Mitchell, he looks like a benign grandfather. I mean, I believe that that victim, and then Epstein was obviously doing business for him. He had like seven numbers for George Mitchell. But he doesn't look creepy. It's weird. Some of these guys are very creepy, and they don't look creepy. A lot of them look creepy, but some of them just don't.

Yeah. Was there any notes or annotations or anything beside the names? Or was it literally just like a phone book, a name, and then whatever numbers they.

Had for- Yeah, numbers. Okay. And then Alfredo Rodriguez circled the ones that he had witnessed in Florida taking part.

Was it all men? Yeah.

Courtney Love's name is circled, and I think Naomi Campbell's name might be circled too.

Were there any boys that were victims or was it all women? Women or.

Young girls? Okay, so I have heard of boys, but I've yet to find them at this point. But I've heard of them.

Are the victims... Let's talk about what it was like when you spoke with some of the victims. Were they eager to get information out? Were they scared? Were they standoffish?

They're scared. I mean, in this scenario, you've got Jeffrey Epstein and Glenn Maxwell saying, If you talk, you're going to die. And then you see all these extremely powerful guys. You see the Prime Minister of Israel, or you see Bill Clinton. I mean, these are people at the apex of power. And you're... And Epstein and Maxwell have told you, if you talk, you're going to die. And then you see these powerful guys, you're terrified.

What about Bill Gates?

Okay, so now here's what's interesting about Bill Gates. Our mainstream media, which has been very lackadaisable covering Jeffrey Epstein, said that they met in 2011, I think. But there was actually an article from the Evening Standard in the UK from 2001 that said that Epstein and Gates were doing business in the 1990s. So chances are if that article is correct, Epstein and Gates knew each other approximately 20 years before our mainstream media. Our mainstream media has just washed this up, cleaned it up. It's pretty disgusting.

Well, don't quote me on this because I think all of mainstream media is completely corrupt. It doesn't matter if it's on the right side, doesn't matter if it's on the left side. There is no middle side. But I believe it was ABC correspondent that got fired who came out and said that she wanted to cover the story. Right before she went on to cover it, it was, Hey, cut it. We're not doing this. We're not going to cover it. And do you know what I'm talking about? Yes. Did that happen? That's the only one that I've seen that's actually public.

It could have happened in other situations, but it's difficult to know. I mean, because again, we're talking why are people covering up for Jeffrey Epstein? Because they don't want to lose what they have and they're afraid of not getting what they want. And that's a strong motivator for people, a very strong motivator. Their mortgage payments, their car payments, the payments for their children's college, these are very strong motivators for people not to do their job. Because in Epstein, we see a lot of people not doing their job, and they're afraid. They're not like Michael Ryder, the chief of the Palm Beach Police Department. They're not like him who's going to do what's right. They're going to weigh this.

Man, I feel like this country used to be full of people to do what's right.

Well, and-They're out there. We just have to start collecting them, getting them together, giving them one voice. I believe that there's enough people that are out there that really want to do the right thing. But they haven't been offered a modality to do that. And that's why Epstein Justice, this organization that I've started, is so important because we want to start getting the message out to people and say it's all right to come forward. Actually, it's our duty to come forward. Our government is aiding and abetting child trafficking in the case of Jeffrey Epstein. Let's say someone lived down the block from you and you knew that they were aiding and abetting child trafficking. I mean, you would never trust them. You would never let your kids near them. Here our government is AD embedding child trafficking. I mean, so how can we trust our government? We reached a point where we cannot trust our government. If our government is that corrupt, we can no longer trust the government. Yeah, I.

Don't think it's if our government is that corrupt. I think it's our government is.

That corrupt in.

Multiple.

Arenas. But here's the thing. With Epstein Justice, if we dig down into Epstein, we will come across the cesspool that I believe is contaminating other large parts of the government. And then that's where we can make meaningful change at that point is we have to make sure that the government indites those perpetrators, indites those procurers, and tells us why, tells the American people why it covered up Jeffrey Epstein.

Let's go back to the victims. I got sidetracked there for a minute. So were any of the victims eager to be.

Forthcoming with you? No. No. Every victim was, and I've gotten to know a number of them, they're reluctant to talk.

Were any of the victims… How long did it take to get names out of them?

A while. It's like anything else where you've got to develop trust. But I've done this before. I've done it actually quite a bit at this point. I mean, not only the Franklin scandal, but I've talked to lots of victims. I've got a track record out there. If here's a guy that does the right thing that investigates this and does the right thing. There was an Epstein victim that actually read the Franklin scandal. She realized that I was very concerned about this and really to do whatever it takes to get this out there, to get this information out there. She offered me names. And then I've gotten to know others that have also offered names too. But they don't... These were little girls, man, that were terrorized. And Epstein and Maxwell were... They were vicious to these girls. Some of these guys that were violent, but Epstein and Maxwell were just mentally vicious.

In what ways?

To these girls. Oh, man. They would make one girl stand on a scale in front of a bunch of other girls at the island to make sure that the mind games that were played. I mean, some of these girls that ended up on that island, they didn't even know. Like Juliette Bryant, she was in South Africa, and she met someone who knew Epstein. And then all of a sudden she was on a trip to watch Bill Clinton and Jeffrey Epstein with Kevin Spacey in South Africa. Bill Clinton was going to deliver a message in South Africa. And then someone with Epstein said, You're beautiful. Let's make you a model. Come to New York. So she comes to New York. And then the day that she arrives in New York, she gets a call, I believe it was from Sarah Kellan, who should also be doing multiple lifetimes in prison, saying, We're going to the island now. Pack your stuff. We're going to the island. And then so she gets on Jeffrey Epstein's plane. She hasn't been in New York for a full day. She gets on Jeffrey Epstein's plane, and then they're flying to the island.

And then all of a sudden, Jeffrey Epstein has one of the girls perform oral sex on him in front of all the other girls. And what's she going to do? I mean, here's a terrified young woman who is 35,000 feet up in the air going to an island. I mean, what is she going to do? She's never been in anything like this before. She's terrified. And that's the viciousness.

So was it like a kidnapping? Were these women kidnapped? Could they go home at the end of the day? Or were they stuck on this island and his other properties? I mean, how was the living dynamic?

They could go home. But here's the thing. It's like, cults. Cults keep people tethered to that organization, like the Unification Church or the Harakrisna, heavens... I mean, these cult leaders, there's a very charismatic person there. These girls, some of them are like one and done, and they're out of there. But a lot of them, well, we're going to pay for your college, or we're going to make sure that you become a famous artist, or we're going to make sure that you become a famous actress. All these carrots were dangled in front of these girls. And these girls thought, Well, after they'd already been indoctrinated, they thought, If I just endure this a little bit longer then they're going to give me this or I'm going to get that. But none of those promises ever materialized for any of those girls. The mind game of it, too, is vicious. I mean, when it had anything to do with Epstein and Maxwell, it was just categorically vicious to these girls. Whether they were being pandered to dirty old men or men that like to beat them up and just the mining games with Epstein. I mean, being flown, coming from South Africa to New York City and being in New York City for less than a day and then being told you're being flown to the island, and then all of a sudden you're on this island and you've got no choice, really.

I mean, how do some of the victims describe daily life on the island?

Hellish. I mean, they had to sleep in a dormitory, and then they would be called for. And then sometimes with one of them who was ostensibly having weight problems, they would be just ridiculed in front of the rest of the girl.

Just.

Humiliated. Yeah.

How many times a day would they have to perform sexual acts?

It all depends on who was there. And then they were expected to perform on Epstein, too. However, many times, Epstein wanted them to perform. Once you were there, and a number of very powerful people were on that island.

And.

These girls knew that. Serge Brent, one of the founders of Blue Book, was quite fond of Jeffrey Epstein. But there were other people other than.

Sergey Brand. There was a lot of Hollywood celebrities as well.

Well, there were Hollywood celebrities. Epstein was born into politicians and power. I think people know about Hollywood Babylon, but they don't know about Saddam and Gamor on the Potomac. But with Epstein and also with the Franklin scandal, I mean, they pandered kids to Hollywood people, but they were primarily focused on financial people and political people.

Interesting.

But here's the thing with Hollywood. I mean, there's plenty of freaks that are pandering girls to people in Hollywood. Yeah.

We just talked to Jim Cavisa a little bit about that. I'm hoping to talk a lot more about that with him in the future. But let's take a quick break.

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Maybe it all came from you originally. But was every name in that book guilty of partaking in sexual activity with minors?

No. There are a number of people in that book that were not. That book was just a book of all of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts and stolen by the Alfredo Rodriguez, who was the house manager. But a lot of the people, I mean, that was Jeffrey Epstein's thing. I mean, his thing was making money and molesting children. So if you're in that black book and Jeffrey Epstein's relationships were all utilitarian. If you couldn't help him make money or molest children, he wouldn't have anything to do with you. So a lot of people in that black book are there for making money or they're prestigious.

Do you think there's anybody that has been painted in a negative light because their name was in that black book that maybe shouldn't have been? It seems like anybody who's associated with this guy, I've seen pictures of celebrities and presidents with him at parties, but I mean, and people get outraged. But when you go to parties, it's easy for anybody just to snap a picture of you standing next to whoever. You might not even know who they are. I'm just curious if there's anybody in particular that you think that has been defamed because of their association with them, maybe not even realizing who he was.

When people ask me that question, I think of that Beatles Line, see how they run. According to everybody who's been interviewed in that book, no one had anything to do with Jeffrey Epstein. Good point. I mean, like, Oh, I met Jeffrey Epstein six years ago at such and such's party, and I don't know how I ended up in that black book. I mean, that's what everybody's going to say or most people are going to say. Alan Dershowitz, who was quoted as having a friendship with Jeffrey Epstein in Vanity Fair, I think, from 2002. Oh, yeah. And he's on Jeffrey Epstein's Flight Manifests, and he just talks about how much he loves Jeffrey Epstein and how Jeffrey Epstein reads all his books. And, Oh, yeah, I think I saw Jeffrey Epstein in 2015. I mean, these people are obviously lying. I mean, they want to do everything they can to distance themselves. And Jeffrey Epstein is the same as Craig Spence in The Franklin Scano, everybody who is anybody came to Craig Spence's parties. And Craig Spence's quote saying, Well, how will they deny that they ever came to my party? And I'm sure that Epstein, I've heard that Epstein had said something like that.

Well, how can they deny that? Because I was with the elite of society.

So where is the black book now?

The FBI has it. The FBI did a sting. Alfredo Rodriguez, we talked about a little bit earlier, he wanted to sell the black book to one of the attorneys that was launching civil suits at Jeffrey Epstein that was representing some of the victims. And he called the attorney, and the attorney called the FBI, and the FBI did a sting. And so the FBI has the black book. I was fortunate enough to get a copy of it. And then that was the copy that I released in 2015.

So the FBI has the black book. They've done nothing with it?

Well, no one's in it. Here's Epstein's. When Epstein got taken down four years ago, the FBI opened his safe and he had hundreds of DVDs. I'm sure a bunch of them had to do with compromising. And then I think he was also into child pornography, too. We have no idea.

They have all the DVDs. They have the DVDs. They have the black book. They literally have everything and nothing is happening. What's your opinion of the FBI nowadays?

Well, I mean, in this case, it's obviously unbelievably corrupt. The FBI knew about Jeffrey Epstein in 1996. We know that for a fact. Maria Farmer, who was assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein and her sister was assaulted by Jeffrey Epstein, went to the FBI in 1996 and told them about Jeffrey Epstein. It's amazing. Think if the FBI had acted on Maria Farmer's information. Think of all those girls that could have been saved.

But I don't even know why anybody who has... I can't even imagine applying for a position at the FBI nowadays. I don't understand what they do, and I don't understand any red-blooded, whatever, anybody with an ounce of integrity in this country, I do not understand what the fuck they are doing working for the FBI. I don't know what they do now, except cover-ups. They do a lot of cover-ups.

I have met some decent FBI agents over the years. I mean, I have.

Who are they serving?

I don't know.

You think you're doing something for the better, for the to go to the country.

It's just disgusting. But we're talking the Department of Justice and the FBI together. So the FBI had hundreds of DVDs of Epstein. I'm sure a lot of them were compromised DVDs, and I'm sure a lot of them are just for child pornography. So they've gone into a black hole.

I mean, we talked earlier, and it's these guys. Oh, they're worried about their mortgage and their car payment and this and that. It's like, sell your fucking car, get a smaller house. What expense are you willing.

To.

Cover these up for? There's kids being raped.

It's-fuck.

Your car. Get a new job.

But people do not think that way. Like I said, they're afraid of losing what they have or not getting what they want. Now, this is interesting. So when Epstein died, they said that the case was closed. I did a Freedom of Information Act request. I didn't ask for the DVDs. I asked for reports on the DVDs. That was my FOIA request. I eventually got an email back saying that the case was ongoing. I don't know if those reports on those DVDs will ever come out. It would be great. I mean, then we'd be able to get a lot of answers. It's up to our government. Our government needs to get honest about this. Until it does, we're going to be governed by the cesspool that we're currently being governed by. People that aren't concerned about doing the right thing, they're concerned about their money and prestige. And you see this, it's a historical trend. Like the Catholic Church, Penn State, Boy Scots, money, property, and prestige. Prestige. They will not... All those kids that were molested, all those kids, molestations that got covered up, they were all covered up so those organizations could perpetuate their money, their power, and their prestige.

Individuals are the same way.

Let's talk about Maxwell. How did she play into everything? What was her role?

Well, she was... She was the one that was really hands-on running the network, the logistics person. I interviewed an Israeli spy, Barry Ari Ben-Banashi, on my podcast. And he's a spy. It's difficult to know if he's telling the truth or not. But her father, Robert Maxwell, had a publishing empire, but he was also a spy for Israel and Russia and the UK and probably the US. And he had this huge publishing empire. And what he did was he went into the retirement funds of his employees and stole.

Them all. So Maxwell's dad was an Israeli spy?

Yes.

Who was running logistics for Jeffrey Epstein.

No, no, no, no. So he was a spy for sure, and then he had a huge publishing empire.

But his daughter was running logistics for Jeffrey.

For Jeffrey Epstein, yes.

Who has been named by government officials that he's untouchable because he's an intelligence. Yes. So there's a line right there.

There's a necessary, yeah. And Maxwell had a yacht called Lady Galain, which was named after his daughter, Galain, who was his favorite child. And he jumped off one day and he had a very mysterious death, much like Jeffrey Epstein. Now, the cover story on it is that because it did come out that he had ripped off all the retirement funds of all these employees, I mean, millions of dollars. I mean, he destroyed all these people. I mean, a guy obviously didn't have a conscience. And Gleanne Maxwell supposedly then came to New York to get away from it. And then that's where she met Jeffrey Epstein. Now, according to this Israeli spy that I interviewed, Robert Maxwell put Gleanne Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein together, and they were together even before he died, before his mysterious death. Some people think it's suicide, some people think it's homicide. I mean, it's a very strange death. So somehow, Maxwell and Epstein got together. And the story is that Epstein had the money and Maxwell had the connections. And I think that there's some truth there.

And this guy was a spy for the Israelis, the UK, and possibly the US. And I believe he named.

Another one. And possibly Russia.

Yeah. And do all these countries have people involved in this trafficking ring?

With Jeffrey Epstein, it's really difficult to know. I mean, Jeffrey Epstein was active in Europe for sure. He was actually buying. I mean, we're not talking renting. He was buying young girls in Eastern Europe, buying them like slaves. Yeah. And when you think about that, how evil that is.

We've covered this and other episodes about how trafficking works. But I believe you mentioned something about, were there members in the UK government involved or within the royal family?

Okay, so definitely Prince Andrew was part of that. I mean, he was pandering, Epstein was pandering, Girls to Prince Andrew, and who is a thoroughly repulsive human being. I did some research into him, and anybody that ever worked for the royal family loes Prince Andrew.

What was he into? What was his deal?

He liked underage girls. That was his thing. But he's just a nasty, foul human being. I think a lot of the people in the royal family are probably nasty, foul human beings. I think Andrew is probably a little special that way. He's probably a little nastier and more foul than his siblings. And this is very strange. So here's a guy that molests underage girls, but he has all these teddy bears. The butler or whoever takes care of the house manager where he lives, they're supposed to have the teddy bears on his bed in a certain way. And if the teddy bears aren't on his bed, and the way that he likes them, then he has a connection. So he likes to molest little girls, and then he likes teddy bears a certain way on his bed. And according to Andrew, he doesn't sweat. He did not, either, according to the BBC interview, which really, I mean, there was that BBC interview where he attempted to quit himself, and he came across as such an idiot. I mean, you could tell that. It's like Jamie Dimon with J. P. Morgan. J. P. Morgan just gave Epstein's victims $290 million.

And there was a New York Times article where Jamie Dimon was talking, and you could tell that the guy was lying. I mean, it didn't take rocket science to figure out. And then he's saying, Of course, we had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden, there's this $290 million settlement. So obviously, these banks were integral to what Jeffrey Epstein was doing. And they knew, according to these lawsuits, these banks, JPMorgan, Deutsche Bank, they knew exactly what Jeffrey Epstein was.

Up to. How do you think they were involved?

Well, I think that some of the executives in those banks, like Jess Staley, were involved in Jeffrey Epstein's pedophile network. Why are.

They going?

I guess-And Diamond, too.

I'm sad. I mean, so if they sued JP Morgan and not the individuals, how was JP Morgan as a company involved in the Jeffrey Epstein sex trafficking ring, rather than just the key players that were... I mean, do you see what I'm getting at? Why wouldn't they go after the key individuals? And why did they go after the company, J. P. Morgan?

Well, the argument that they made was that J. P. Morgan was cognizant of Jeffrey Epstein trafficking children and gave him the money to facilitate it. They gave him money to do other things, but with the money that J. P. Morgan gave Jeffrey Epstein, that facilitated his child trafficking.

I mean, do you think this was a protection? Were they protecting certain people's identity by putting it into the company?

Absolutely. Jess Staley and Diamond. Without a doubt. It's pretty obvious that when you look into them, they were involved with.

Jeffrey Epstein. How were they involved?

I think that they were probably involved in molesting young girls. I mean, that's my surmise on that. And according to internal documents that the lawyers for the Epstein victims were able to acquire, J. P. Morgan definitely knew what Jeffrey Epstein was up to. Now, how would J. P. Morgan know that? Unless some of those executives were taking part in it. I mean, it doesn't make any sense that J. P. Morgan would not know about it. So if theif those individuals, like I've just named, weren't involved with Jeffrey Abstein.

Were those names involved in the lawsuit? Were they mentioned in the lawsuit?

They were mentioned, yes. Okay. But it wasn't explicit. But they were mentioned. Yeah. And then Deutsche Bank is also the same type of thing. They were aware of Jeffrey Abstein. And they're going to give up millions of dollars too. I think they're only going to give up 75 million.

That's it? Yeah. How many victims is this going to be dispersed to?

I don't really know those numbers yet. But there's multiple tragedies here. But one of the major tragedies is $290 million isn't going to dent J. F. E. Morgan.

I'm well aware, but I totally agree with you.

That's nothing. I mean, it's like you are me getting a parking ticket. So that's a tragedy. It's a tragedy that those executives are molesting these girls. It's a tragedy that a number of people at those banks knew that those executives were molesting those girls, that those girls were getting molested. And it's a tragedy that they're only giving up $290 million. The whole thing is a tragedy. But here's the thing with that is it's these little girls. They're the ones that are going to be scarred for the rest of their lives, even if they get millions of dollars. I mean, if you talk to some of them, they're damaged. I mean, they're going to be damaged. I'm not saying that because I respect them. The ones that I've met, I respect. I really care for them. I like them. But there's a damage there. They've got scars on their soul.

I mean, when you rape an 11-year-old.

Kid.

There's nothing that's going to get them over that amount of trauma.

No.

And actually- You've ruined their entire life.

Actually, if you meet a woman in South Africa who's 20 years old, and then you fly her to Epstein Island, and she's forced to commit all kinds of things that she never would have otherwise, I mean, she's not going to have maybe the psychiatric damage of an 11-year-old with the association, but she's going to be damaged, too. I mean, none of the... And that's the thing that the media. These girls and these young women, all of them were very damaged by this. And we don't hear about that in the media. There's no cover stories of these victims in the media and the damage that they've had to endure. There's none of that. I mean, we just hear salacious dirt that Jeffrey Epstein met Bill Gates in 2011, or that Jeffrey Epstein hung out with Harvey Weinstein here. But the media is just giving us salacious dirt. They're not demanding for any justice. Yeah.

They're just trying to save face by throwing a random piece of bullshit out about it like, Oh, yeah, we touched the subject.

But I don't know if it's a... I mean, it elicits a readership, too. And that's the thing. What I'm doing with Epstein Justice is, and I got to say this, the media have just been ethical unics about this whole thing. They haven't really cared about the destruction of all these girls, but they're keeping Jeffrey Epstein front page centered. They're keeping him alive. They're reporting about him every day. So American, I mean, he's fresh in the minds. Now, if he had died four years ago and the media had just stopped completely reporting about him, I would not be able to start Epstein Justice because Americans would have forgot. But they've kept Jeffrey Epstein fresh in the minds of Americans, and there's enough Americans out there that are outraged. That's why Epstein Justice is so important, is we need to get Americans together and we need a truth and reconciliation committee. We need the perpetrators to be punished. We also need to know why our government allowed perpetrators to molest underage girls. We need to know that. The government has to tell us. I have a pretty good idea of why, but we need the government to tell us that.

That's what a truth and reconciliation commission is about.

Let's talk about Sarah Kellan, an associate of Epstein, and once looked at it being charged with similar crimes as Maxwell, but has never been arrested. I've never heard of her.

Sarah Kelling was she was like Maxwell's first lieutenant, and she did everything that Maxwell did. And she's a vicious woman. Actually, when the Palm Beach Police Department was going to arrest Jeffrey Epstein, they had those five girls that had come forward, they had statements from, they were going to arrest Sarah Kellyen too. They felt like Sarah Kellyen had participated enough that they were going to arrest her. Nothing has happened to Sarah Callen. Actually, I called Sarah Callen because I had the black book. I figured I'd give her a call. And basically, she complained to me about how the media had persecuted her.

Did she have any... Did she have any ties like Maxwell's father?

Not that we know of. I think she just comes from white trash. I'm sure that she sexually catered to Epstein at one point, and then Epstein said, Well, she's pretty smart and ruthless, so I'm going to use her too.

Why do you think they never went after her?

They never went after any of the procureers except for the New York Times named six procurers. I mean, Sarah Kelling, Nadia Marcinkova, Leslie Groff, Haley Robson, they were all named by the... They're right there in The New York Times, named. And if this was real justice, if there were real justice here, it would be like a Reco'neatman, how the mafia was taken apart. You take the little fish and child trafficking is a 15-year-to-life sentence. So you indict Sarah Kelling on 10 counts of child trafficking, which wouldn't be that difficult. You could probably indict her on 20 or 30, but just deny her on five or ten, have her look at five to ten lifetimes in prison. She's going to roll over on the perpetrators. Anybody looking at five to ten lifetimes in prison is going to roll over on the perpetrators. You could have done that with all these procureers, which are essentially pimps. You could have done that with all of them. And a bunch of them are named right there in The New York Times, and none of them have had any problems at all. Actually, Epstein paid them all very well, and they still have their money that they made from Epstein.

Let's talk about Juliet Bryant. You've mentioned her a couple of times.

During-juliet Bryant was a victim of Epstein. I had talked to her. She was from South Africa. And she was with Epstein, flew her to New York, and she settled in. And then they told her that she was going out to the island. But she was in the Epstein's New Mexico Ranch. I'm a little fuzzy, but she passed out or went to sleep, and then she came to, she says, in a laboratory and that there was a doctor that was harvesting, like in a hazmat suit almost, harvesting her ovums. I've always thought that Dolly, the sheep, was cloned in 1997. If you can clone a sheep, you can clone a human being. Actually, people are getting their French bulldogs cloned for like $60,000. But it's estimated that you can clone a human being for $1.5 million. I knew when Dolly got cloned, the sheep, there's got to be mega, the maniac, billionaires out there that are cloning themselves. There's just got to be. And that Epstein crew, I would not surprise if Juliette, Brian Sohams were getting harvested because those sick, twisted, mega, the maniacs are cloning themselves.

You think that these people are cloning themselves?

It wouldn't surprise me. I mean, what would prevent you from cloning yourself? Ethics would be one thing, but these people don't have any ethics. So then it's just a matter of money. And what's $1.5 million to these guys?

Nothing.

Unfortunately, there's going to be probably a little Jeffrey Epstein's running around in 20 or 30 years. That's one of the last things we need.

Didn't he actually talk about spreading his DNA?

He did. And he was also into transhumanism. So who knows what was going on there? I mean, I think, like with Juliet, Brian's story where she felt like they were harvesting roadmums, I think that that is the cloning, the transhumanism. I think that law enforcement, if law enforcement ever took this seriously, could dig there and would find out some very.

Interesting stuff. What exactly is transhumanism?

Transhumanism is like combining being able to download someone's brain onto a computer chip, stuff like that. Now, granted, we're probably not that far along with transhumanism, but you need people to... I mean, for transhumanism to go forward, we're going to need people to experiment with. And I wouldn't be surprised if that was going on. Because here's the thing. When you're molesting little girls, I mean, there's no line in the sand of what you're willing to do and not willing to do. There's no ethics there. There's no morals there. You're going to do whatever you want, whatever makes you feel good. And that epitomizes Jeffrey Epstein and his crew. They're doing whatever they want, and they're protected by the federal government, so they can do whatever they want. It's pretty heinous.

nick, I'm just going to run through a couple of questions here. But why do you think the names on Maxwell and Epstein's list have not been publicized? None of them.

On their list? Yeah. What list.

Is that? On the black book. Why do you think it's never been officially publicized by any of... I mean, we hear about the Maxwell trial. Epstein supposedly killed himself, but nobody's coming. There's no, not one person has been charged with pedophilia.

Well, I mean, that's our government. I mean, our government has done everything it possibly can to cover up all these crimes. That's why we need a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. I mean, we, the American people, have to force the government to actually pursue these crimes and then go after these perpetrators and then tell us why they're protecting these perpetrators. We need that too. We need a why, although I have a pretty good idea of why, but we need the government to tell us why so this doesn't occur anymore. This happened with the Franklin scandal. It's happened with the Epstein. It's happened in a lot of different places. We have to make sure that our government doesn't cover up child abuse anymore, child trafficking. We have to make sure that our government has that fundamental level of decency to not cover up child trafficking. I mean, that should be a line in the sand that should never be crossed by our government.

Do you think the government enabled Epstein to commit these crimes over the years? Absolutely. There are reports of, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there reports of CIA directors staying at his New York townhome?

Oh, yeah. There was a lot of people that stayed with Abstein. Actually, Woody Allen and Abstein were good friends to Ethical Unics. There's pictures of Woody Allen and Jeffrey Abstein walking down the street together. There's pictures of Andrew and Jeffrey Ebstein walking down the street together. But what we have to do is make sure that the government pursues justice here. We cannot sit back and say, Okay, Yep, Jeffrey Epstein and all his buddies, we're going to let them molest all these girls with impunity because they have power and they have money. We can't do that. I mean, this is a nation of laws. Laws have to apply to everybody. Regardless of how poor someone is, regardless of how rich someone is, the law has to apply to everybody. This isn't about... Unfortunately, we live in a system where it's often the best justice money can buy. But in this situation, the laws have to apply to everybody across the board. And you get into a very dangerous area as far as the society when you say, Well, this law applies to him, but it doesn't apply to him. When you get into that type of moral relativism, it's very, very dangerous.

And that's where we're at right now, is that type of moral, legal relativism. Great.

Let's talk about some of the hidden cameras that have been... Were there hidden cameras at literally every property?

Yes, we know about hidden cameras. The first glimpse of hidden cameras came when the Palm Beach Police Department executed the search warrant on Epstein's Palm Beach House in 2006. Now, Epstein had been warned that that search warrant was getting executed, but he didn't get rid of all his hidden cameras because the Palm Beach Police Department found hidden cameras. Now, in his New York digs and that huge townhouse he had, there was an actual room with multiple monitors. Earlier I was talking about Craig Spence, the Franklin scale had a room of monitors. Okay, so Maria Farmer and also there was one other victim that was brought into the room by Epstein. There were guys, as in multiple men, looking at the monitors. The monitors had all the bedrooms and all the bathrooms. It was Virginia Guifrey who was also told about, who was also shown the room. So that's a conspiracy right there. I mean, you've got guys sitting in this secret room looking at monitors. I mean, that showswas that there's people colluding with Jeffrey Epstein as far as the blackmail. I mean, that's a smoking gun right there. But then the island was wired for audio vision blackmail.

There was an article in Vanity Fair where Maxwell had said that there's blackmail involved, or a friend of Maxwell's had said that. And with New Mexico, yeah, everywhere where Jeffrey Epstein pandered minors, there was cameras.

Where do you think all this footage is now? Do you think it's with the FBI? Do you think it's with the CIA? Do you think it's-.

It's either the FBI or the CIA, one or the other.

Do you think people are still actively... Who did the blackmail get passed on to?

Fbi or CIA? Now we're trying in some dark malignant corner.

I mean, it's still got to be, I guess what I'm getting at is the blackmail is still being utilized by somebody. I mean, it's very obvious it's a blackmail operation. So what I'm asking is, Epstein's dead, supposedly. And so who's controlling the blackmail?

It's that dark, malignant corner of intelligence that did the Franklin scandal that oversaw Epstein. There is some dark malignant corner. You really can't call it the CIA because there's a lot of people in the CIA that are decent people. You really can't call it the FBI because I do believe that there are decent people in the FBI too. But there's some dark corner of our intelligence that has that information. But what's troubling is that dark corner has the power to make a US attorney stand down when only constitutionally the President and the attorney general can make a US attorney stand down. That dark corner of intelligence, that malignant dark corner of intelligence, it harnesses a tremendous amount of power. But I don't think it's that many people. I mean, that's the thing. I mean, how many people can it be? I mean, how many people can it be? I mean, 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, 4,000?

I don't know. What's interesting to me is I've worked in operations where there's classified information and several of them. And the more people you tell, the more likely there's going to be a leak. And when we talk about the operation and I'm green to this, you've been digging into this for 20-plus years, correct? Yeah. And you said it yourself, you've got pilots, you've got-Crooks. You've got really low level people that were involved one way or another. I mean, you have the people that were on... You have the people that...

We're on the runway. You know what I mean? That directed the plane to take off. You have the pilots, you have whoever was cleaning the properties. You have all these low level type people that know what's going on, but yet they've managed to silence all of them. And then you have all the way up to everybody that partook in it, that black book. I don't know how many names are in there. There's got to be a ton of them. I've seen different things. I don't know what's real and what's not anymore on the internet, so I don't want to give any sources. But I've seen documents that have lists of just names, lots and lots of names. And those people are all silent. Then we're talking about four different countries that have been involved with Epstein. They're all silent. And so it's almost a miracle that more isn't out on this. Well, that's just because- Because there's so many people involved.

That's because our government has made sure.

That's this government, though.

Actually, I think the Brits and the French have followed suit. I mean, Jean-Luc Bernal, who was one of the pedophiles, he ran a modeling agency for Epstein, and he was responsible for funding underage Eastern European girls to that Epstein network. The French came after him, but he hung himself in a cell. Then we know about certainly Prince Andrew's role in Epstein, I mean, he gave Virginia Goofrey millions of dollars, or his mother did. I mean, it's weird that he's getting bailed out by his mother still. He's 60 years old, I guess that's how things work in the royal family. But anyway, law enforcement isn't going to pursue people in the UK. Jean-luc Brunel, who hung himself in a French cell, I mean, he was instrumental to Jeffrey Epstein's network, but the French don't seem to be interested in why he hung himself or who he was facilitating. So our government has done a real good job of making sure that there's.

No investigation. Do you think he killed himself?

I've talked to people that have been at that prison, and they say that there's no way that, especially because he tried to kill himself earlier.

He did. Where?

At that prison. And then they put him in... I've been told that there's no way if you're on suicide watch, you can kill yourself in that prison. But I try not to get bogged down in that because that's not really the issue here, whether or not he killed himself. I mean, if he killed himself or didn't kill himself, I mean, that's just one more component of corruption. The really important issue is we have our government aiding and betting child trafficking. That is the issue that we need to take care of, not whether or not Jeffrey Epstein killed himself. We need to take care of the government has got to come clean, has got to indict these perpetrators and it's also got to come clean why it's doing this.

Well, I'm with you. I do think it's a big piece of the puzzle. I mean, like I said earlier, the judge that they tried to assassinate, I think they didthey killed her husband and.

Her son. Her husband and her son were murdered, and then he supposedly killed himself.

Yeah.

And then it was done. There wasn't any mention in the news anymore.

Yeah, that-I can't think of it. The assassination attempt on the judge, that was about a 24-hour news cycle before that was launched. Yes. I'd love to get that judge on here.

I'd be very reluctant. I think that you'd be very reluctant to talk.

But what do you think? I mean, what do you... So we know it was a blackmail operation, obviously. What do you think, after everything you've dug into, what is the blackmail operation? What is it for? Is it just power? Is there a specific agenda? And we already have multiple lines of connections here with the US government, with the Israeli government, with the UK, with France. Who's running this?

Okay, so- I.

Think what I'm getting at is it sounds like Jeffrey Epstein was an international intelligence asset.

It's possible. Yeah. I mean, I think that the CI was certainly involved in probably Israeli intelligence, too. I do believe, and I hate buzzwords and stuff like that, but you can call it the medical or the military intelligence complex. Now, why do we spend so much money on the military compared to anybody else? Why do we sell far more weaponry than anybody else? Why does our government kill on ground and root in Afghanistan? That Afghanistan war went on for 20 years, and these private military contractors made billions of dollars. Dyncorp, another military contractor, Dyncorp was actually trafficking girls, underage girls in the Balkans. It got busted. There was a movie made about it with Mayra Servino. Dyncourt didn't skip a beat. That wasn't even a speed bump for Dyncourt.

I've never heard of that.

Yeah. So this is the problem, is you've got the people at the upper echelon in the military, in the intelligence, and probably in finance too, that there's a collusion. And this is another reason why we need a truth and a reconciliation commission.

So what do you think the goal is? Is it control?

It's control and power. I mean, that's always been the goal for any autocrat or immoral government. It's all about control and power.

I mean, you have to be thinking about this as you're digging into this stuff. I mean, who is the puppet master?

I think that there are probably, I don't think that there's one single guy. I mean, I look at it as like the media. There's six corporations that control, it's estimated 90% of the media, that Americans imbibed. They all work it out. I mean, they make sure that there are certain truths that don't come out. I think that there are probably groups of people that work the same way that have the power. And I think that they're in the military, they're intelligence and probably finance too. And that's why our government, we need to know why. The American people need to know why. Jeffrey Epsteins perpetrators aren't indicted, and we got to make sure that they get indicted. We've got to know why the government is covering up so this doesn't recur. And who's it covering up for other than these perpetrators? I mean, these are fundamental questions that the American people need to know. We need to know this about our government. We cannot let this just slide and think it's going to get better. That, Oh, we'll just figure it about this, and in 20 years things are going to be better. I mean, our politics are really corrupted, and we ostensibly have a two-party system.

But Jesse Ventura, the former governor of Minnesota, he says it's just like professional wrestling. He said, We sound antagonistic, but that's just part of the script. We're getting paid by the same people. He said, Politics and professional wrestling are basically one in the.

Same thing. It's all theatrics.

Yeah.

The big, uni party.

Yes. And I've come to believe that. At this point, I've voted for a Republican or a Democrat for years. I'd like to be able to vote for a Republican or a Democrat, but I don't trust in. We've got 435 representatives and we've got 100 senators. I'm not aware of any representatives. I'm not aware of any senators that have called for a truth and reconciliation commission into the crimes of Jeffrey Epstein. 535 federal legislators, not a single one, regardless if they're Republican or Democrat, has called for any truth and reconciliation commission into Jeffrey Epstein. 535. I mean, that's pretty astounding when you think about it, that all our federal legislators are willing to let this slide.

Well, the next one I have on here, I'm going to ask them. I will. I'll put them on the spot. What am I missing? What's something I should be asking you that I haven't asked yet?

I just think it's really important that the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, that Epstein Justice, is embraced by enough Americans so that we can have a Truth and Reconciliation Commission. That is the only way that I think that we're going to be able to heal our government. Our government is sick. Our government, it's a cancer, it's metastasized. And you fight disease. There's three critical stages fighting disease. First, you need awareness of it, then you need acceptance, and then you need action. Ebstein Justice, we have awareness. We need the American people to accept how corrupt it is. A lot of them have, but we need the American people in mass, and then we need action, awareness, acceptance, action.

So epsteinjustice. Com is a 501(c) non-profit organization dedicated to establishing truth, exposing the corruption, and compensating the victims of Epstein. You can sign the petition and contact your representatives. Do you guys make it easy by chance to.

Contact them? Actually, we've got a form letter there and people just have to put their name in and where they live, and then it'll go and then they just hit Submit, and it'll go right to the representatives, the federal representatives.

Oh, so it's automatic. All you have to do is just boom, and then it gets to where it needs.

To go. The National Center for Exploitation gave us that software. And you put that together?

You and your team did? Yeah.

That's amazing. The National Center on Sexual Exploitation gave us that software. So that was awesome. And then what we have to do is just really press. This is an issue that we just really have to press. And because every American knows, I think most Americans know that something is wrong with their country, something is wrong with their government. People know that. And I think that this is going to be our best opportunity to fix the pathological problems that are involved in our government at this point. This is going to be our best opportunity in our lifetimes.

I think the only way to save it is to get people running who don't want to run. The only guy that I know that I really respect and trust in there right now is Eli Crane. And he's even voted against his own... How do I say this? I mean, the guy's even... I mean, he voted. He votes for who, what the people that elected him want him to vote for.

I.

Mean, it would be- He's the only one in there that I know that does that. I mean, he voted against what he wanted to do because the people that voted at him said, We don't want that. We want this. And went against his own intuition. And that's about, I mean, you just don't hear that anymore.

Epstein Justice needs people like that. We need politicians that aren't corrupt. We need people to come forward in federal law enforcement that aren't corrupt. We need the American people to get behind this, and we really need to clean out our government. Anybody in our government that has anything to do with this really needs to leave. Yeah, we do need new people, but we need people coming in in a system that's not thoroughly per fides and corrupt, which is the system we have now of blackmail. That seems to be the checks and balances of our political system is blackmail. So we need new people in politics, but we also need them to come into a system that isn't just categorically corrupt.

Yeah, I'm with you. I think that's going to be extremely difficult to accomplish, but got to keep a little hope.

You've got kids. Do we want our kids growing up in this world?

No.

I mean, people have to not only think of themselves, but they have to think of their children as growing up in this world. So it's important that we rectify this.

Yeah. Well, nick, I really appreciate you coming out and educating us on the topic, and I hope to see you again. I'm going to keep hitting this topic. So any new developments you have, please contact me, and I will be happy to have another conversation with you at any point in time about this subject because it just enrages me.

And thank you for having me. I enjoyed my tour of Tennessee, so thanks for having me.

It's my honor. Best of luck to you.