Okay, what's the latest in Gaza? Zipi, Hotter-Belly, Ambassador of Israel to the United Kingdom is with us looking at the death toll, 11,240, Garzans, according to the Palestinian authorities. When is it going to stop?

Oh, well, it's going to stop when Hamas will release our hostages, when Hamas will surrender, when Hamas will say, I'm not controlling the Gaza strip anymore, and I'm not making this city a city of terror. This is when it's going to stop. This is our duty to the people of Israel to protect them, to make sure the seventh of October won't be repeated. Just like Hamas, spokesperson keeps on saying, We will do it again and again and again. This is ideology that is a jihadi ideology that is dangerous both to Israelis and to the Palestinians. And this is why we must finish the job of dismantling all Hamas capabilities in the Gaza Strip.

And hospitals.

To hospitals is a very good point, Kay. I'm so glad you're raising it because think what type of monstrous mind you need to have in order to make all your headquarters based in hospitals when you know you're making the patients your human shield. Isn't it a monstrous way of thinking of Hamas that they're taking those small babies out of the incubators. I was watching it yesterday. You have the babies there, and Israel is offering every help that can be offered. We brought incubators that can be protected by ambulances. We offer to evacuate those babies to the south area, to a safe place, to a safe hospital. We want to give them the best treatment in the world. Hamas is using it to their propaganda. They're taking the babies out of the incubators, even though there is no reason to. They are backup incubators that Israel is providing. I'm telling you, this is a sick mindset of Hamas that he prefers to present his babies as if Israel is killing them when he's the one who's making them lose life because of their cruel behavior for their own people. This is really something that everyone should condemn Hamas for.

This is a war crime. This is a clear war crime. Using hospitals as headquarters, turning them into military facilities, and using innocent babies in order to show propaganda against Israel. Nothing can be more cruel than that.

What about bombing those hospitals?

So as you know, the last few days, Israel is putting a corridor, humanitarian corridor, to all the people to be evacuated back to a safer place in the south. Israel knew from the very first day that the Shifah Hospital is Hamas Headwater. So we could have bom Shifah Hospital on the first day. Why didn't we do that? Just because our humanitarian care, we wanted to make sure innocent civilians are not caught in a crossfire. We let the world know. We shared our intelligence, both of the British with the Americans. We showed the world this is not an innocent hospital. This is actually a military base using the patients as human shields. So we shared with the world, but still 39 days to the war, and Israel is still being hit by Hamas rockets, and we didn't bomb those hospitals because we want the patients to be evacuated. So this is how humanitarian Israel's approach is. No other countries in the world, according to the international law, we can attack every military facility. This is definitely a military facility. This is the headquarter of Hamas, but we're not doing it before everyone can peacefully evacuate. And we are actually giving so much assistance to the people in the hospitals to make sure they will get to a safer place.

We're not interested to harm civilians. We're just interested to make sure the Hamas headquarter won't exist.

Your actions have to be proportionate, though, don't they? Do you feel that they're proportionate?

Absolutely, because the way the international law defines proportionate is the goal of the war and your actions. The goal of the war is to make sure the military machine of Hamas will be dismantled. In order to do that, you need to tackle the underground terror city that Hamas has built. I want to tell you something. We thought it was 300 kilometers. As we go deeply into the gas strip, we realize every second house has this entrance to actually to an underground terror city. They basically turned all the houses in the gas strip to their own facilities. They took over schools, mosques, hospitals, almost everything you can imagine. Think about it as a ghost city that is turning into a terror city because they build this 1,000 kilometers underground city. By the way, it costs a billion dollars to do that. So where all this money came from, from the generous support of the international community, they were thinking they're giving the money to the poor people of Gaza, but eventually it was Hamas stealing this humanitarian aid, giving it to its own military machine, creating this underground terror city. So this is as horrific as it gets when you think about Hamas abuse of international aid.

So you need to make sure Hamas won't exist after the war finishes.

Back to the hospitals. Biden says that hospitals in Gaza strip need to be protected better than they are.

We definitely agree they need to be evacuated. We don't want to hurt the patients. We want the hospitals to be evacuated. We already created the humanitarian corridor to create a safe way for the patients to go out. It's Hamas that is preventing the patients.

To go. Are you going to provide the necessary ambulances for those.

Who can't- We did. We did. We've supplied already the ambulances. How are.

You saying that then?

We are saying that. We are saying that clearly. Just this morning, we saw IDF spokesperson having a footage of ambulance with incubators. You know, Israel is providing everything you need in order to make sure innocent children and babies won't be hurt in theaza Street. We care about human life. They don't. When they kidnapped our children, there are over 30 children. There are babies there.

11,200 dead.

But where is your sympathy to those children? You are interviewing here the mothers of those innocent children that are still kidnapped in Hamas hands, 39 days, not even one signal of life, a signal of life from those poor babies that are kept hostage in Hamas hands. This is the real humanitarian crisis we need to speak about. The fact that Israelis till today don't know what happened to those children, don't know what happened. And as a woman, I must say that the fact there are over a hundred women that Hamas is keeping in his hands, innocent women did nothing to be in this horrible situation. This is something we all should protest. Holding women and babies is a war crime, and Hamas is committing this war crime.

What about those babies that are dying in Gaza?

I feel bad for every loss of life, but thank God over a million Palestinians went, they listened to the Israeli alerts. They prefer to be in the south area of Gaza, even though Hamas was trying to prevent them to do that. I hope that every single individual in Gaza will be protected in those specific shelters, Israel created with the international community, with the NGOs that are working on the field in the south area of Gaza, we can complete this war with minimized casualties. We are trying to do our best to minimize casualties.

Seven thousand dead.

Some of them are terrorists, as you know. Not all of them. We're not targeting civilians. We're just targeting- What.

Percentage do you think of terrorists?

I believe over 50 %. And if I may say something, your defense minister, the real defense secretary, Grand Chaps, yesterday, was saying here in Skye, Skye News, he was saying, Wait a second, we forgot how war looks like. Civilians get caught in a crossfire. But as opposed to Britain in the Second World War, that it was indiscriminately hurting the cities of Germany, it's Israelis that are actually doing their best to minimize casualties. So we're not in the Second World War days. We're actually trying to minimize casualties. We're not targeting civilians, and we're doing our best to keep the people of Gaza safe. But we still need to target Hamas facilities that are based, as I said, in schools, in mosques, in hospitals. So we're trying to evacuate those places to make sure that this underground city of Hamas will be totally destroyed.

You acknowledge then, from what you're saying, that obviously that has not been destroyed as yet. So inevitably, there will be more civilian casualties.

Again, if everyone will take a safer shelter in the south area of Gaza, we will minimize casualties.

There have been targets in the south though, haven't they?

No, we're not targeting those specific areas. We know where they are and we don't target those places. I can confirm clearly, Israel is not targeting the places where the Palestinians have their shelters, and we are targeting Hamas military machine that must be destroyed in order to have a better future both to Israelis and Palestinians.

Unfortunately, we must leave it there. But we appreciate you taking the time. Thank you very much. As always, Madden, Ambassador.