I had a dream last night that it was the best episode we've ever done. I couldn't sleep the rest of the night, got in here, fired up the old machine, and I'm now waiting on these guys. I am loose. I got a little bit of a sweat going. The hammies are pliable, flexible, and the jaw muscles are ready to really ask some questions and giggle at my funny little friend, Sean and Will. Guys, welcome to Smartness.

Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart.

Hi, guys. Shut up, Sean. Oh, my God.

I haven't laughed so hard as I did today. When we were standing on the street, we'd just come out of a meeting, the three of us. Like adults. Like adults. Sean starts to say something like he's doing right now. He undoes a top of a bottle of water, and he's about to take his hip in, or he's going to do it. Jason slaps it out of his hand.

Lands on the ground.

And lands on the ground. Just a fun little hair pull.

Yeah, just a little-a little fun.

Just a plastic bottle, nothing broke.

I reached down to grab it because it falls at my feet, and I hand it to Sean. And as he reaches for it, I just drop it right before he can grab it.

Like a child. Now that's twice. That's twice of a.

Denied water. As it lands on the ground. Sean reaches down to get it, and Jason kicks it. It goes flying, hits a curb and goes under a park like construction truck.

It explodes. It comes flying off. The water is everywhere.

Fucking funny. I was crying.

I haven't laughed that hard. I fell.

To my knees. Because it was high school all over again. It was a little bullying.

It made.

Me laugh. It was just fun and just...

God, I laughed. It was clean fun.

Jay, did you like my cheese cake last night?

Yeah, cheese. Now, I would have liked it a little firmer, Sean.

A little- Yeah, it was a little too fluff.

It wasn't as gooey as the last one, so I feel like we're making progress.

I liked the last.

One, I think- Now I say this as a person, I can't even boil water. So the fact you cook anything is incredible. It's very impressive.

But also, I didn't know, Will, either that I've never made whipped cream in my life. I didn't know that you just pour half and half or whatever in a bowl. And whip it. And you just.

Start - The.

Special whip cream. You just start whether you just start whether you just start to whip it. My mind was blown. It's right.

There in the title.

I was like, oh, you.

Just - Do you think it's a good idea that you've now learned how easy it is to make whipped cream?

I think so. I think you know I'm doing a night.

Yeah, you missed out on a good cheese cake last night, Will. I know. But then I found out, then Sean told me that the secret ingredient that he was to drive an hour and a half for was a British Cadbury white.

Chocolate bar. No, not Cadbury. It was another brand.

Another brand that we're not going to mention, I guess.

We can if you want.

It's called Milky Bar. We already mentioned Cadbury, so we're recommended.

Is that a thing? Is that normal that there's a white chocolate candy bar in most cheesecakes?

Well, no, I just melted it to make like the creamy part. It was one of many ingredients.

Sorry, Lister, I thought you tuned into Smartless. It's cookless.

This week. Bakeless. Bakeless. Tasteless. Yeah, I know. And I was so obsessed with getting the ingredients right. I drove an hour and a half to get it because they don't sell them in the United States.

And what did he do, Will, when he got there?

So you drove to.

Another country? And when he drove an hour and a half away to get this to... What did he do while he was there? He was like, Huh, well, look, here's a rare hamburger joint that we don't have near us. Yeah, Portillos. Oh, that's why you went to Portillos.

-to Portillos.

Yeah. And he put a big burger in his face and a shake too, I'll bet?

Yeah, I got a shake, a piece of cake, and I got fries and a hot dog.

Wait, shake and.

A piece of cake? Yeah.

For lunch?

Wait, you got a shake, a piece of cake, fries and a hot dog.

And then two beef sandwiches.

And what's that?

Two beef sandwiches, one for Scottie. Two beef sandwiches.

And this is when you were on the mission to.

Pick up white chocolate. Were you.

Driving a school bus?

Yeah, I picked up the white chocolate part.

Were you buying for all the kids in the school bus?

No, I never get it. So I bought a lot of extra stuff, and I put it in the fridge. I'll heat it up later.

Good.

For you. Thank you. Guys, let's get started.

Oh, wow. I thought we had, but...

This is really exciting, guys. Guest today. You're going to freak out. Oh, it's your guest. It's my guest today. I'm so excited we got my favorite red-headed, firecracker here today. She's a self-proclaimed computer nerd. And before becoming one of my all-time favorite, full-fledged movie stars, she made people websites for free. In fact, at 14 years old, she performed a PowerPoint presentation titled Project Hollywood in order to convince her parents to let her drop out of high school and move to L. A. From Arizona to pursue her dreams of becoming an actress. Thankfully, that dream came true, so we could talk to her today. Her name is Emma Stone.

Emma Stone. Emma Stone.

And Emma is a little under the weather.

I'm a little under the weather.

That's so good. I can't believe you showed up.

For us, though. Did you get into a big pile of bad Coke last night, Emma?

Listen, you know what? You've been there, right?

There's meetings for you. Yeah, listen, we're saving a seat.

For you. I know. Thank you.

Are you at home or in a hotel?

I'm in a hotel. I could just say a rehab.

She's been live.

For.

Our first ever. Thanks, for having me.

What an opening. Emma's been up for four days, listener.

Emma, I don't think of you as a ginger, I guess, per se, when I think of Gingers, but.

You are. I'm blonde right now.

No, I'm not. I have blonde hair right now, and I was born blonde. I was born hairless, but then I grew blonde hair. Okay. Hairless is my podcast.

Sure. Give us the full.

Bravo.

But I died in red.

Yeah, you were red for a while there, yes?

For a long time.

I was red for a long time. So much so that people thought you were notch-red, Red Natch.

But I'm not Red Natch.

But it wasn't.

A true- My mother's Red Natch.

Yeah?

You got to be careful.

With that word, Natch. I have a son who's a Natch-ginge.

We love a notch-ginge.

Oh, my God. Do we ever love a notch-ginge?

This has gotten so filthy from the very beginning.

Wait, Emma, didn't.

You have that notch-ginge? Wait, let's...

Hey, man. Do you need a second?

Take a nap.

I've been up for days. I'm so excited you're on the show with us, Emma.

Thanks for having me. But wait, didn't you die originally? When you moved here and you felt like you weren't getting parts or something? I feel like I read something, and then you thought maybe your talent, which your seeping talent.

That that wasn't good enough. And that's what I was telling everyone. Yes. And that's what I kept saying. And they went, No, no, no. That hair.

Has got to go. But you thought you had to dye your hair. Is that true?

Yeah, I was. Because I moved to L. A. When I was 15. And so all of the things that I was auditioning for at that time were like roles for 15-year-old girls at that time were a lot of girls that were, I guess what I was up for was a lot of very blonde, cheerleadery roles, and I didn't fit those very well. I thought if I dyed my hair brown, it would really set me apart.

Yeah. How'd that go?

It went great, Jason. It went really great. You got some mascot parts. I didn't get any parts after that either. But a couple of years later, I auditioned for Superbad, and I was at the camera test for that, and Judd Apetau said, Well, maybe she could have red hair because the other girl in the movie, who's my best friend now, Martha McIsaac, had brown hair. We dyed my hair red, and the rest was...

Is Sean's incredible research accurate? Were you really doing websites for people? Are you a computer person?

I was in that 90s computer format. I don't know if you guys know, Angel Fire, Geo City, that world where you did very primitive HTML. This is not coding by any means. In fact, I don't have a computer now. They lent me this computer to be able to do this with you guys. Oh, do not do- I'm like a Neo-Lud right now. But back then, I was very into the internet and learning about building drop-down menus and things like that. I mean, primitive, like 1998.

What are you looking for? When you're out there, you're looking, what are you looking for in a drop-down menu?

No, see, that's the thing. See, that's the thing.

When you.

Want somebody to step- And this keeps.

Me up at night. If somebody's looking to step into a really elite drop-down menu. Yeah.

If you're looking for great drop-down.

Then we're.

In the market.

Now, okay. It needs to be clear, clear, or font. We're not using any comic sands on my drop-down list.

We're.

Hitting.

Helvetica hard. You now are completely... You don't have a computer at all?

I don't have a computer at all anymore.

Come on.

I really don't.

What about.

An iPhone? I have an iPhone, but it's a.

Very crack- The incredible new iPhone 15. I don't. Sean? Is this an ad for.

The iPhone 15? Yeah, if.

You want to get rid of your old one. It is now. We're done with that. That cycle is over. Thank God. We enjoyed our experience, but, mama, was there a heavy rotation on that? Sorry about that, America.

Wait, but do you do email off your.

Phone then? I do email on my phone, and Itry to just type it with my thumbs.

So no social media, no nothing else? No.

Come on. That's refreshing.

Thanks so much. I was thinking yesterday. I said to a friend of ours, I said to him.

I said- You said friend?

I said friend, I said. I said, We should imagine the reset this planet would get if we had no social media for six months globally.

Yeah, it'd be.

Pretty wild. The fucking reset would be incredible.

What do you think would happen?

Well, people would learn how to manage boredom, which I think is a lost talent. I know I try to teach my kids it's okay if you're bored. That's actually another word for relaxation. Enjoy it. Take a breath. Being bored is okay. Not having anything to do at a red light or in an elevator is a good time to reintroduce yourself to your sofa a minute.

Do you ever do that thing, where you look at... I've been doing a lot lately. I don't know. Where I look around and I go, Everybody's on their phone every moment, if there's a down moment. If there's a down moment, and sometimes it's reflexive because people are nervous or insecure. What's addictive? Yeah.

But when you wake up in the morning, you don't have a loop that you have to or that you like to do on a computer?

This is good.

Hang on.

What's your computer loop?

Well, you hit the New York Times and your email and your calendar and you get shit together.

I just do all that on my phone. Okay. I'm probably actually on my phone more than people that have a computer.

But see, what I'm picturing here is that you've got no reason or excuse to get up out of the pillows. Correct. You're still in the feathers. When you reach over.

You grab your phone. I'm just in a pile of feathers.

You sleep in a pile of-I'm in a pile of the woods.

For real. What an angel. What a little angel. I'm down with that. You had a nice desktop, you could get out and into the living room and join the world. Get yourself a desktop.

This is a great opportunity for a new segment I'm calling, JB, walk us through it.

You don't want to follow my morning. All right, so, Emma, which one of your rad projects are we going to talk about today?

There's so many. Okay, so you answer that first.

I.

Don't know.

Which one would you like to talk about?

I want to talk about childhood. I want to talk about all these good stuff. I want to talk about it as your birthday last week. Happy birthday.

Thank you so much.

Yes. Thank you. Are we allowed to guess the age? Can we.

Guess the age? Oh, this might be mean, but sure, go ahead.

No, no, no. How about I'm going to go with 24, 25. Will?

I'm going to get real.

Yeah, be real. Will and I worked together when I was, I think, 19. Yes, that's true. Really? That was a long time ago.

That is true. Well, he's going to win then. Wait then, so wait then Sean, you go next. Okay.

I was going to say late 20s.

That's very cute, Sean, and sweet.

True. I really.

Don't know. Are you truly north of 30?

I'm north of 30.

She is 37.

You're the closest by far. Really? You give 35 a great name.

You don't look 37.

I was just guessing based on what the information was.

Okay, well, sure, well. Okay.

No, that's true. We did work here. That was a long time ago.

I know. What was the job? Do you remember?

It was called- The rocker.

Wait, the rocker I still need to see. And what was the other one I said I need to see the other day? Hotrod.

Well, let's not go through mine. Emma, go tell everybody who is in the rocker. Nobody's seen it. Who is in the rocker? The cast is pretty hilarious.

It was Rain Wilson, Jason Sudecas, you, Bradley Cooper, Fred Armison.

Who directed this?

A guy named Peter Cutaneo, who directed The Full Monty. Peter Cataneo?

Yeah. John Glaser. John Glaser. The great John Glaser.

Who did Hotrod? Who directed Hotrod? That wasn't Yormo, was it? No, a Kiva. Got you.

But the cast was pretty...

It was pretty wild. Yeah, we were in Toronto.

We were in Toronto.

And I feel like you weren't there for that long. I was there for a couple of months.

I was there for a week, maybe.

And what part were you playing, Emma?

Well, I was playing the bass in a band that was fronted by... It was a school of rock adjacent, would you say, Will? Yeah, I would. Kind of story.

Willy, what were you playing?

I played the lead singer of a hairband. True story.

A hairband. You guys got to check out.

Bradley was the guitarist and Fred was the bassist. But it was fun. But yeah, you have not... I'm trying to think. You just have not stopped working and doing awesome stuff since the moment I became aware of you. You've just been consistently just doing cool thing after cool thing, great film after great film. It's pretty remarkable. Not a lot of.

People- And rare.

Basically saying you haven't done anything as shitty as The Rocker since The Rocker is what Will is saying.

I've done way worse movies than The Rocker since The Rocker. Oh, my God.

That's subjective. Well. I think maybe is great.

It is good.

Let's not go too deep through the IMDb or whatever.

I met you once very briefly. You were so kind years and years ago. Blah, blah, blah. You never remember. I think it was at SNL. But I was like, Oh, my God, that's almost done. And then so when I did my research for today, I didn't know that your name was Emily. I want to know these guys. I know why it's called Emma, but I want you to tell these guys why you changed it to Emma. And then I also want to know about your dog bakery thing that you worked at, because I have a friend who lives in Arizona. It's a dog poop company. She picks up poop, dog poop. You just call her and she picks up dog poop. What a great job. But it was in Scottsdale.

Oh, that's.

Where I'm from.

I know. That's why I was like, Oh, my God. That's amazing. Well, my name.

Was Jacob-Have you noticed there's been less dog poop around when you go home?

Now that you mentioned it-.

I'm just trying.

To engage how Sean's friends have been- I mean, it used to be absolutely everywhere. Just piles.

Of it. But her gig is just she's just a freelance. She just goes around town. Freelance poop. And she's looking for just spare poop that's unclaimed and unpicked up.

That's just you call it up if you don't want to pick up your dog poop. It's called poop patrol. Cherie's poop patrol.

Who's compensating her?

The city?

Her clients. People who don't want poop in their lawn, man.

Wait, I'm confused. Wait. You call... You just let your dogs run free on your own lawn all week, and then poop patrol comes and picks.

Everything up. Like a gardener, you come up, a gardener comes over, picks up the poop.

Yeah.

But she's not a gardener. Instead of blowing the leaves and stuff, there's just the poop. Yeah, she picks up the poop.

Wow. I don't know, 30 jokes in there? I didn't know where to-.

Well, that's why I brought it up. It's such a.

Funny job. You take a tight five and gather them and then come back.

To us. But wait, a dog bakery? You worked at a dog bakery when you were a teenager?

I worked at a dog bakery when I moved to L. A. When I was 15, called Three Dog Bakery at the Farmer's Market.

At the Grove?

At the Grove.

I used to go there. You worked there?

Yes. Oh, my God. I mean, not for long. For maybe six months.

Wow.

Wait, Shaunay, this was pre-Ricky?

Yeah, this was years ago. Years and years ago.

This was five, so it's 20 years ago.

Yeah, that's when I had my two other dogs, and used to go there to shop for them.

Do you think that we ever ran into each other then?

Probably. Maybe. Probably.

I think word would have gotten out that Will and Grace's Sean Hayes was there.

I think you're right. I think I would have told everybody.

Guaranteed.

You probably said that. Guaranteed. Oh, my God. Okay, so I must not have been working those hours.

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Tell these guys why you changed your name from Emily to Emma.

Well, originally, my name was taken at Screen Actors Guild. Right. When I got my card when I was 16.

So there's an Emily Stone.

Wow. And so I originally changed it to Riley because what do you tell a 16-year-old that they can just change their name.

Right.

You pick a cool name. And so I was like, I'll.

Be Riley. You could have changed it to Emma Middle Name Lee.

Emma Lee Stone.

Right? That- Oh.

I don't know if I could pull up being a three-name-er.

Fuck. Is there any way you could call her 20.

Years ago? Could you call me 20 years ago really quick?

Yeah, real quick.

Hold on. Just one second. We'll pause, and then we'll just-.

That is a real thing, though, right? That is a real thing, though. All people who change their names because of SAC, because there's already somebody. Michael J. Fox, I think, was because there was already a Michael Fox, right?

One of the great ones is, I feel like Michael Keaton is Michael Douglas. Oh, wow. Oh, really? Oh, yes. And he changed his last name to Keaton because Michael Douglas.

Was Michael Douglas. Wait, and I just learned Albert Brooks's real name is Albert Einstein. I did not know that. No. That's true. That's true. I swear to God.

That's.

Unbelievable. His brother was Bob Einstein. Youwas Super Dave, Osborn. That was Bob Einstein, and that's.

Albert's brother who was. But anyway, Emily to Emma.

Emily.

To Emma.

Because you're trying to get to the Spice Girls, right?

Yes.

You should have changed your name to Albert Einstein because that was free.

That's true. That one's free now.

Not being.

Used anymore.

Wait, so you.

Went to Emma? I went to Emma because growing up, I was an enormous, still to this day I am, but an enormous, sorry, I'm slurring from all of the- I've been.

Up for four days. You need to.

Take a nap. Yeah, I got to take a nap. I was a huge Spice Girls fan, and there was Emma, who was Baby Spice.

No way.

Crazy about her. I love the opportunity. When I was in second or third grade, I asked the teacher to call me Emma, but it didn't ever stick. But then I had the chance to do it permanently, and here I am.

I love that. Have you met the Spice Girls since?

I have.

Does she know that?

I've met the Spice Girls now. I think she does because she gave me a really special T-shirt that she had signed. It was like, From one Emma to another thing. It was.

Pretty cool. Did you keep it together?

I did not keep it together at all. But I will say the night before I met them, we were going to their concert in England. They did a reunion tour a couple of years ago in 2019. The night before, I went to a party at somebody's house, and the magician David Blaine was there. He did just an astounding trick. He did this card trick, and then it was this whole thing, and it was an illusion, an illusion, if you will. And he pulled up his phone and the card was reflected in a picture in the glasses of someone on a boat. And it was this crazy thing. I got so excited. Now, this is the tales of old this time because I'm about to tell you a story from yesterday as well. I got so excited that I ran. I was like, I can't stand it because I'm such a big fan of magic, and I couldn't stand it, and I ran, and I was wearing these healed boots, and I slipped on the wood floor. This is the night before the Spice Girls concert. Slipped. My arm went back out behind me, and I broke my fucking shoulder.

When was this? The Blaine.

Was responsible for that. 2019, the summer of 2019. The next day I was supposed to go to the Spice Girls concert, and I was like, There is no way on earth I'm missing this. We got in England one of these things from Boots, the drugstore, this little sling, and I hadn't even gotten an X-ray yet. I went and I was in so much pain that actually meeting the Spice Girls under those circumstances was probably better, so I couldn't do that in front of them instead.

Because your excitement was so tempting. And your... Your treadmill.

Was so tempered by the pain you were in. It was so tempered by the pain that I was like, It's amazing to meet you guys. Oh, my God. It was so brutal. It was broken in two places. And then yesterday, I have bone density issues, that's clear, because I broke my toe yesterday.

No.

Kicking something? Are you kidding me? Doing what?

On what?

Getting out of the shower.

Yeah.

Well, you shouldn't be lying down in the shower. What do you mean getting out of?

I know. You accidentally stubbed it on something?

I slammed it into something, and now it's completely black and and all messed up. I've been icing it.

All day. Anyway. And you're sick, and you showed up for us today. God bless you.

Yeah, how.

Did you not cancel? It's a dream. This is incredible. Are you kidding me? I'm sitting on a computer with headphones. This is lovely.

Half of one of those excuses would have made me cancel this thing.

I'm just thinking.

I would give- I was so excited.

For this. I would give anything for improved bone density. Sorry, just sidebar. We need.

To take, what is it? Boniva or something. Yeah, Boniva. There's some pill to help our bone density. But I've broken seven bones. Before I was 30, I broke seven bones. Isn't that crazy?

So then you seriously looked into this. You seriously do.

Have bone density issues? Yeah, I have a... There's an endocrinologist was like, We got to talk about this. Something's up with you.

Did he come up with anything?

Just that I need to take a lot of vitamin D and calcium and do apparently weight-bearing exercises, like heavy lifting is what creates more bone density.

You. You could just drink milk and eat dumplings from Chin-Chin like Sean. He has a glass of milk four times a day.

Is that right? No, I have a glass of milk with dinner every night.

No, you don't.

I.

Really do. You're joking. Why not?

It's good for you.

That's.

Correct. It's good for you.

It's vitamin C. Will you sit at dinner drinking a glass of milk?

Yeah, whatever it is. I saw that a week ago. I had.

To stop. Are you just doing it to be adorable or you really enjoy it?

No, this is what he does.

No, I-You know why?

-leave the beaver.

You know why? Because he lives like he's in the 50s. It's incredible.

Twelve-year-old in the 50s. Because water is too boring and soda has too much sugar, so I just drink milk.

Well, they have zero sugar soda now.

I'm not into it. Listen, I wanted to say, by the way, since we're on.

Medical stuff. I wish this was just a gallon of milk and I was like, It'll be.

So good. Wait, is it true? Because you have one of those cool, million, billion dollar voices, too. Is it true that you, first of all, didn't know you had asthma until you had an asthma attack while filming EZA, which I read? And the other thing is, did you really have a condition when you were a baby because you cried too much and made your voice... Is that true?

Yeah.

Because you were colicky? That gave you a.

Respiratory voice. I was extremely colicky for five months. What's colicky? Can you imagine? Now having a kid, I cannot imagine having a colicky baby to that extent.

What does that mean, colicky?

Colic is apparently a condition where your stomach is killing you. You're in a lot of pain. I am. Everything I can talk about is just my medical talk.

No, I know. It's fascinating.

But here's what I think it is. It is the intestines or part of the GI tract that is still developing and unkinking itself, and there is a kink in the hose that is not... It still needs to grow to release itself, and it takes a couple of weeks, and the babies are miserable.

Miserable. It was like if I was awake, I was screaming myself horse every day, and I think it was very traumatizing for my parents.

I see. You know what's good for bone densities, the astronaut, you know that thing, the power plate thing that vibrates, that's supposed to be good for bone density.

Oh, thanks, Will. Isn't that a 50s thing, too? Yeah.

I don't know, man.

A little belt around you that shakes. I read it once over a glass of milk. I want.

To know. Let's get to the career stuff because it's really interesting to me. Okay, great.

Hang on. How old is your baby? Let's just do a quick. How old.

Is your baby? Two and a half.

Two and a half. Sweet boy, girl.

Girl.

Oh, sweet.

I didn't know that. That's so fantastic. Congratulations.

Thank.

You so much.

With your husband, who you met at SNL, did you meet him at SNL? Truly? Dave McCarie?

Yeah.

What does he do with SNL?

He was a writer director there for about five years doing digital shorts.

And you met him there?

I met him there, yeah. But we had a bunch of mutual friends. That's interesting. So, yeah.

That's so great. I love that.

I feel like I was there that week, too, although you've probably hosted a few times. I remember being there once when you were hosting, and I was just like.

Oh, she's like, You're rushing. Guys, wait, hold on. I'm going to host on December second. I get to get my five timers jacket. No way. That's great. I'm so excited. I can't even stand it. I'm freaking out.

You're so good at it.

That's really, really cool. Wait, so, Emma, you and Dave married in the pandemic, and was that just because it was planned that way and you just kept it? Or were you like, You know what? Let's just do this now. We can't.

You were waiting for a pandemic, weren't you? Didn't you guys say you wanted to get married, but let's wait for a pandemic to hit? I read.

That somewhere. I'm just turn the fat a little bit on the invite list. Yeah. Smart.

The week that I got married, I did open a refrigerator and the handle broke off and I got a black eye.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God.

You need a helmet. And that's where it stops. I do need a helmet. Oh, my God. I need a helmet and extensive therapy.

Back to that. You got this new show with Nathan Fielder. I want to skip ahead. I know she's your guest. Oh, yes. But that looks really...

I know she's your guest, but I'll take this one.

It looks really fun. First of all, he's great, and not just because he's Canadian. He's super funny. You're super funny. And when I first saw the ad for it, I was like, These motherfuckers. And then they got one of those safties in there.

Yeah, they sure did. Put a wig on him. Took the boom out of his hand and said, Go.

This is like a fucking talent explosion happening in one thing. I'm so goddamn excited for this thing. I'm so excited for this.

It's a wild ride.

That's the wild ride. How did that come to your orbit?

So, Nathan and I have known each other through Dave and Dave's best friend, Kyle Mooney, have been friends.

I love Kyle Mooney. Huge, love Kyle Mooney.

And they've been best friends since they were nine years old. Oh, wow. Yeah. And so, Nathan knew Dave and Kyle well, and I got to know Nathan for a couple of years. And then I think in 2019, maybe, Nathan called me and said that he and Benny Safti had come up with this loose idea for a show based on something that Nathan had really experienced where someone had said that they curse him in a moment. He was like, This probably isn't true, but he found that it haunted him. And they started coming up with this premise of what would happen if you're going about your life and they had this idea for this couple who is trying to create their own HGTV show. But early on, the husband, a little girl says, I curse you. And if that hangs over the premise of this whole show and how that evolves and makes them go crazy, whether it's real or not. And it just spiraled out from there and became this very intense show. It's reallyIt is a comedy, but it's not a comedy. Kind of dark. Yeah. There's a lot going on there. It was a blast.

We were in New Mexico for half of last year shooting that.

And say the title again.

The Curse.

Yeah, The Curse. I see.

Posters for it everywhere. And say the title one more time.

Just for the third time, just for.

The third time. I'm so, The Curse.

I want to talk about Poor Things, too, which is a movie that you have coming up.

The brilliant, you're the most the most.

I'm going to go see it this week.

You are? Yeah. Where are you going.

To see it? I'm seeing it at.

One of the screenings, because I'm going to be at those. I'll see you there.

I just got a text for it.

Oh, great. Was it me texting you to.

Come to the screenings? Oh, it was you. Do you go by Emma Stone? Oh, shit. It is.

You guys. Yeah, interesting.

This is the second project with Yorgos? Yes?

It was technically the third because we made a short film at the beginning of 2020. But it was.

The second following one. This guy is just so brilliant.

Amazing. We made another one in the meantime. We made another one in New Orleans.

Last.

Year. No.

Really? Yeah. With Willem.

With Willem? Yeah, Willem's in Poor Things.

We've done two together. So for my sister, Tracy, Yorgos did the favorite, the lobster, just a bunch of.

Great movies. Had to.

Kill the sacred deer. Dog tooth, which.

Is what- Poor Things. Did you develop it? Did you find it? Did you just get an offer? How did.

That come to you? Yorgos and I did The Favorite in 2017, and right as we were wrapping up The Favorite, he told me about this book that he and Tony MacNamara, who was the writer of The.

Favorite.

Had optioned and they were working on adapting. And he just told me the premise of it. And I was like, I beg of you. I have to do this with you. And so for the next few years, we worked on things and started putting it all together. He asked me to be a producer on it, which was amazing. We assembled this team. Then at the end of 2021, why do I keep saying all the dates?

Yeah, I don't know. Because you're like, Will, you have incredible recall on dates.

I do everything by date.

Really?

Month.

And year. Me too. Everybody's birthdays. Do you forget a birthday? Can you forget a birthday.

Once you're 30? I can forget a birthday, but if you say like, Hey, I can say like, Oh, yeah. It was that time of year that year.

It was this month.

Of that year. March of 2023, he knows a difference between April of '21 and March of '24.

Maybe I function similarly.

Crazy.

But.

Anyway, so- Anyway, so we made it two years ago, and yeah, it's probably my favorite thing I've ever gotten to do. Oh, really? Yeah.

Wait, so you work all the time constantly, it seems like, which is great, and everybody can't get enough of you. So when you go from set to set, other than your child, do you have something? How do you set it up so it's home? Or how do you set it up so it feels like, I need to have at least this, this, and this in my trailer, or this, this, and this with me?

What a.

Fun question. I'll tell you three things that always keep me company no matter where I am. Coke. App.

Sorry. Big plate of Coke.

She's got to get through it.

I've got to run it. I'm obsessed with the idea that I'm on Coke just because I'm on cold medicine. Jason. Go with it. You know, just suffering through this on.

Cold medicine. She's here on a sick day.

I have a broken- A.

Broken foot?

I'm.

Near-death. I know. I can't.

Believe it. No, apples and peanut butter. Really? Every day for a snack, I have apples and peanut butter. Every day I have a Starbucks coffee. It doesn't matter where I am. It could be in the greatest coffee places in the world, Europe, wherever. It doesn't matter. Find a Starbucks.

And what's your choice?

A coconut Miso.

-cocnut Miso? -no embarrassing to say. What is it? A coconut what?

Listen, they make you say Miso, which you know the Starbucks lingo where they make you say these things. It's a venti coffee. I don't say venti. Just a regular filter coffee. It's a large. A drip coffee. A large with steamed coconut milk.

Okay. And that's the Miso part?

That's the Miso. That's what makes it a mix of Miso.

So that's not a latte.

It's not a latte. No, because it's not Espresso.

By the way, I have peanut butter and rice cakes always.

Every day?

Well, that's my treat. That's my snack.

That's your treat?

Yeah, that's my snack if you like.

In the mid-after. Peanut butter and rice cake? Oh, I love that. That's a healthy treat. It's not like you go and get all the twizzlers from the.

Why don't you guys go with just the apple or just the rice cake? Why do you need to spread all the fatty.

Nut butter? Peanut butter gives you a little hit of protein and a big hit of joy. A lot of sugar.

I like the peanut butter with the apples. Enjoy.

It's delicious. Sean, explain not for Tracy, but for Jason what joy is.

It's another peanut butter. Not for Tracy. Or no, that's Jiffy.

You were so fucking phenomenal in the favorite, and you won for the.

Favorite, right? No. Yes, she did. No.

Nominated?

Yes, she did.

No. She was fantastic, though.

Thank you so much.

Nominated. Wait, but what was that? You won.

A nomination is what I meant.

Did you really not win? I can't remember.

You did win. Not for the favorite, no.

Which one did you win for? La-la-la. Oh, that's right. La-la-la. I'm talking about that movie, too.

That's a truly embarrassing thing to have to sit here and say. No, no? Not for.

That one. No, I want to know. I ask. I want to.

Know about everything.

But wait, the favorite was you were talking about that.

My mom says I'm always a winner.

Yeah, and always her favorite.

Yeah, exactly.

But was that becauseWhen I've seen that movie, when I watched that movie, I was like, Oh, my God. This just looks like a colossal amount of work, that movie, The Favorite. It just looks so grand and so massive.

That's just because a lot of it was in that fish eye lens. That's what makes it.

Look so grand.

You know what I mean? That's a little trick of the trait.

That was in England, yes? That was in England. And La La Land was here in Los Angeles.

It was in L.

A. Yes. Favorite is such a good movie. I just wanted to... Apart from the work that these guys are so tired. But that movie was so good. It was stunning.

We'll be right back.

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Was that one of the hardest things you've ever done? What's the hardest one you've ever done?

Oh, God.

Physically, emotionally both, whatever.

Launa Land had a bunch of stuff.

In it. Oh, yeah.

You're going to learn the dance. The hardest thing I've ever done was on stage.

Yeah.

By far.

Sean loves stage stories.

I do.

You know, I do. Well, I've only done one professional stage show-.

What went wrong?

What went wrong? Like 10 years ago. Oh, you want a what.

Went wrong story? I wanted a bad.

Theater story. I did Cabaret, and I only did it for three and a half months, which is so short by stage terms.

But enough.

I thought I truly going into it, I was so beyond excited. It was probably the greatest experience in my life for the same reason. I was like, Oh, you just do it at night. Then you do two shows a day on Wednesday, and you do two on Saturday, and then you're at home. Your entire life is eaten. You have to live like a monk. There's nothing, or at least I did, because I lose my voice and I had to sing. It was like, I've never experienced something that physically taxing as an actor. It was unreal.

But did you do anything go massively wrong? Do you have any night where you're just like, Oh, shit, my voice, nothing came out when I sang?

Oh, yeah. I had to take steroids multiple times. No heart attacks in the house, thank God. But there are a lot of those stories. But no, just to add to my things that are wrong with me. You broke a bone. I'm extremely blind. Blind, blind as a bat.

Okay.

I wear contacts for that. They both popped out of my eyes while I was singing maybe this time.

Really? You must have really been reaching.

For a note. I'm always reaching for those notes. I'm not a singer, per se. And the lights went dark and you have to go off in the blackout, and I couldn't see a thing in the world. I just went and slammed it. It was terrible. Getting off stage, not being able to see at all was terrifying.

That's terrifying. And then couldn't find the contacts, right? They were on the floor.

In the black. Couldn't find it. But I know I always bring spares. I have to travel with spares.

It's.

Very important. It'd be great if you did the rest of the play with glasses on. It would have.

Been great. If you came back out with glasses. It would have been great.

Yeah, all of it has given me so much anxiety. But when you- I always.

Had a fear, Sean, of getting hiccups on stage.

Yeah, I had that too. Oh, my God.

That's a great fear. Have you had hiccups.

On stage? No, but I had one thing where I had allergies, and I could feel the post-nasal drip in the back. It was right before I had to sing What do you get when you fall in love? With Chris Charron. Sure. I was literally like, What?

Oh, no.

Like, forever. It was the worst. Panic, tears, because I couldn't cough, but I had to act like I was everything else. I have a million of this.

Wait a minute. I'm about to tell you guys something that I think that you're not going to enjoy. I know Jason is not going to enjoy this.

Oh, no.

What do you do when you get... I'm going to ask you guys. I'm going to go around the panel here. What do you guys do when you get the hiccups? Do you have a Sure Fire?

I do. I don't have one.

I have a cure.

I have a Cure, but people tell me that I'm wrong, but not if you do it right, okay?

Here's the thing. Yeah, you don't scream at people.

This is the solve. Put your arm up above your head. Take one arm. Left arm high. Put it up above your head. Well, just because I'm right handed, so if you're left handed.

You could do it- Drivers don't do this.

Don't do it if you're driving. Now take water and you're going to... I'm talking like tiny sips. You go, swallow, swallow, swallow, swallow as you lower your arm slowly.

Well, nothing's going to happen because none of... Look at all of us doing it like idiots. None of us are doing it. We're all.

Doing it. Well, we're just practicing. Listeners, we're all doing it. We're practicing. I'm telling you, it is a hundred % effective. I feel incredible. If you do it correctly.

Really? I feel amazing.

What do you guys do?

Sean or Jim?

Nothing.

I wish.

I had something.

I take a deep breath.

Try this.

And I let it feel it go away. And then I take water while I'm holding my breath. It seems to work.

I've never told anybody this. This is absolutely true. And I can't believe I'm telling it.

We're ready.

Anytime I get the hiccups... And I remember one time vividly. Years ago, our buddy, Edgar Wright, did this thing called Don't. It was like a fake movie trailer between... There's a double bill, like a Robert Rodriguez film or whatever, and he made this fake trailer and I did the voice. Anyway, I remember going to record the trailer voice because I do, don't even breathe. Don't even blah, blah, blah. I did this whole thing, right? It was in the west village of this recorded place. Doing the thing, and I'd had a soda, I think, and I got the hiccups because I was taking in so much air. I was like, What the fuck? This is where I learned it. I was like, Just give me a second. I just got to... Because I'm like, Hiccpping on trying to record. I go into the bathroom and I stick my finger down my throat and I make myself.

Gag.

And throw up a little.

Bit, gone.

I get it. I came back out and I finished. That's what I do every time when I get the hiccups now I go, Excuse me. I get it.

That is disgusting.

Will you just gamble in it?

That would work? There's a better way, Will.

I don't know. It works.

Do you fully throw up or do you just gag?

Sometimes. Eew. Well, it depends on where I'm at. You know what I mean?

Depending on what's going on. You hate hiccups that much that you'll just make yourself puke.

I hate hiccups. I will.

Make myself- Were you just gambling that this would work, or is this something you read about?

I was just gambling. I had no idea.

I just did it. Wow, that is- I.

Did not know this. You have a tattoo on your arm or your wrist.

Or somewhere? My wrist. I want to see. A very poorly done tattoo. Look at this. Now this was supposed to be, I just want you to understand. This was based off of a drawing that was drawn with a pencil.

It looks like.

Bird feet. Does that look like a pencil?

Is it a cactus?

It's-third feet. -third feet? Yeah, third feet. And it bleeds out more and more every single year. I got it 13 years ago, and it just keeps spreading. In 20 years, this is just going to be...

What half-ass tattoo.

Artist is this? Were you in a French prison or something?

I went into just a random tattoo place on 14th street, and I was just-No. Yes.

I was 21-Why don't you consult with the sleeveless one? He could have hooked you up with a.

Great tattoo artist. Now I've gone to good tattoo artists and said, Can I get this lasered off and redone? And they were like, Your skin is so thin there that it's probably just going to look like you're burnt. It might be worse. Oh, really?

I don't know what to do with it. Wait, and your mom got the same one?

My mom, my dad, my brother. I mean, the story behind it is so special, but it was like, and theirs all look great, by the way. Really? Because they all went to better tattoo people. I'm the one who's covered up for work every day, and it's raised up.

Don't you hang out with Thoreau just a little bit?

Oh, I know Thoreau. Yeah.

Okay, so he could have hook you up with somebody with maybe a better needle.

I didn't know him then. Yeah. This was 2010.

I love that your whole family has.

It, though. Any thoughts on Justin?

This was October of 2010, Will, you remember?

I love that. By the way, I wasn't going to say it before, but when we shot The Rocker, it was June of 2007.

I know. I know.

You know. That's so crazy. I know you know. I know you know. Yeah, Jason brought up a good point. Any thoughts on Thoreau? And by the way, this is a.

Safe space. Anything hurtful that you.

Can think of? Another segment we're introducing.

Well, he suffers from eczema.

There we go. Does he really? That's why he doesn't wear sleeves because he's proud and he wants to show it. That's right. No, that's not true.

Really? Where is eczema? Is he a Skyrizy guy?

I don't know if he really does suffer from eczema. We've had skincare conversations.

As I'm sure you can imagine. We once put on his Wikipedia page that he cries when he orgasams. It's true.

Kimal wants to- Did someone take it off?

He did. He did. He did like an hour later. He personally did. I guess he got an alert or something. Kimal knows how to break into someone's Wikipedia page. He put it.

In there. The wrong person to know how to do it too.

I love that. Will you guys put something on my Wikipedia page? Of course. Don't put that one.

Put something different. No, we'll put.

Jimmy Fray in there. We're going to put cries with Justin Thoreau, Organizom. Please, please don't put that.

It would be funny to.

See how long it lasts. It would be funny, though.

Can I ask you about early... Because you have a brother, right? I have a younger brother. Are you close with your brother?

Very.

Yeah. Is he.

In the business? This is the two of us. No, he works at a tech company.

Growing up, was he interested or no? He was less like, You do that. I'm going to go over here.

Not at all. He played football.

Yeah, where was home? Where did you grow up?

Scottsdale, Arizona. With the poop.

Remember? With the poop? Remember earlier? There was the same conversation.

How long have we.

Been talking? Remember from before? It was like 25...

What did.

You say?

What did you say? Earlier.

Good thoughts, good feelings about Arizona. Do you miss it out there? You still have family out there?

Yeah, I still have family out there. The thing about Arizona is it's so hot. It's so oppressively hot.

It's ridiculous.

It's difficult to... You need to be built for that heat, and.

I'm not. It's not a fun heat.

It's not a fun heat at all. It's like 120 degrees daily.

I wanted to ask you this because we're going to end on an industry-business question.

I love a biz queue.

I love the biz industry.

I love the heat. I love the buzz.

A lot of people who win an Oscar like you did for La La Land, you were amazing, so deserved. I love that movie. I loved you in it. A lot of people who win, sometimes it's known as the curse of death with some actors.

First of all, I should ask, are you guys locked? Before I give you these?

Are you picture-locked on La La Land? Yeah. Because you got the Oscar, great.

But a couple of things.

Were it me?

I would've tried a little harder.

I got some notes. Good for you.

I was going to say, were you nervous? Did you have anxiety? You're like, Oh, my God. This is so great. I won the Oscar. But did you feel like... I don't know. A lot of the times some actors who win Oscars, you don't see them for a lot, like years and years and years. Did you have anxiety about like, Crap, I won. Now people are sick of me?

Nope. Sean, nobody felt that way.

No, not that I was. No, but just like...

Who the fuck? What a psycho.

Sean.

Why do you put.

That out there? They must.

Hate me now. Sean, why do you...

Okay, so... Sean, why don't you tell us how you feel?

Now I know how Sean felt.

Whenwon the Tony. Is that what you were saying? You're walking up your stage to get.

The Tony? I checked Sean off my list. I know how he.

Feels about it. Sean, thanks for having me today. I'm sorry, but...

That came out wrong. What I meant was like, did you have anxiety about like, I'm not going to work? People must think like, Oh, you.

Made it. This was a very lucky situation because I met Yorgas while we were filming La La Land, and I left the day after the Oscars to go shoot The Favorite.

Oh, that's great.

So it was amazing because the next day I went right back to work and was.

Back in. Did you have time to renegotiate your deal on your way to location?

Yes. I did delay my flight for a couple of hours just to call the... I was just to call my lawyer.

By the.

Way, that was- Can we just reopen just the salary portion?

Couple of new deal points that I'd.

Love to- By the way, that was a big compliment. I know it's going to come out that way. I know. I'm completely fucking not.

How many great, because you've been nominated, I'm sure, a million times for.

Lots of great awards. I think it's a million.

Lots of great awards for you. Do you have a bunch of great, unused acceptance speeches?

No. What? No.

I bet you do. No. I bet you give some thought, some respectful time and some thought to what you would say up there. You're not one of these ingrates that would just, If I win, I win. I'll just go up there and wing it. I bet you've got some fun stuff that you said, my dream is to have a coffee table book of people's unused acceptance speeches.

That's a great idea. That's a really good idea. That's a really good idea. Maybe you should start.

Compiling that. You'd have to be anonymous, though, wouldn't it?

Well.

Right? The people.

With the speeches? Yeah, because I guess it would be... But then how do you do an anonymous acceptance speech? Everyone would know who it was, like the people they're thanking.

What were you going to say for the rocker?

If you had gotten up there for the rocker, who would you thank first?

Probably just Will.

Yeah, he's Will. Thanks for being our guest today.

Thanks for having me.

No, but you got nominated for La La La and what you won. You got nominated for The Favorite. And you got nominated for... Silence. The Birdband. Is it the Birdman?

Yeah. Yes. Oh, yeah.

And you had to work with Galfinakis.

Oh, God, I know.

What a nightmare. Is there a less talented guy in showbiz than Zach Galfinakis?

You know, from your lips to God's ears.

I know.

I couldn't agree more. He was so sweet. Anyway, yeah, he really is.

What are you going to do for us tonight? And are you watching Golden Bachelor?

No. What's Golden... What is Golden Bachelor?

I love that answer. I love that answer.

What.

Is Golden Bachelor?

It's a bachelor, but an older guy.

You should never know what it is, Emma Stone. This is why you are you. Because you don't know the Golden Bachelors.

I'm just out here breaking bones, getting sick, not watching Golden Bachelor. Well, now I'm going to look it up and watch it. You went.

Through a phase. Sean went through a phase where he was breaking bones, right? Yeah.

Early 20s Chicago. Hey.

Hey. Oh, God.

Hey, Emma, cool it, all right?

Okay, sorry about that.

Sorry about that. All right, Emma Stone, we're going to let you go. We're going to let you heal. We're going to let you get better. We're going to make you feel better. I'm going to send some soup over.

You don't need to send anything. All right, good.

It'll be okay, great. I won't do that. I just saved myself a call to my assistant.

Thank you guys for having me. I'm sorry I was such a-.

You're the best.

You're a.

Incredibly.

Fast hour. You're the best. You're a huge fan.

You're the best. Such a massive fan. You're a mega talent.

Yeah, mega.

Yeah.

True.

You guys- Emma.

-thank you guys so much.

-thank you guys so much. Thanks for having me. All the best.

All the best. Hey, Emma, one thing I want you to remember one thing. And I hope you've lived by this credo. You can always say this to any guy. If you want to be my lover, first you got to get with my friends.

Will? If you want to be my lover. Okay. You got to get with my friends.

Thank you.

Thank you so much. Is that a Spice Girls?

I will take.

That with me.

Okay, got it. You not knowing that that was a Spice Girls lyric is one of the more painful things.

Well, imagine what I thought, because I didn't know it was a lyric. I just thought he was just saying that stupid, crazy sentence. No. What?

I was trying to connect with her. Did you.

Just call the Spice Girls stupid and crazy.

For the lyrics? Not a lyric. If it was just a goodbye sentence for a podcast.

Interview, it would not have to go. And this is where I log off.

What about when James Cameron? When James Cameron won the Academy Award for best director of Titanic, I had not seen the movie. But when he walks up on stage, he says, I'm King of the world.

Did you say you've never seen Titanic?

At the time, I had not seen it. When I saw him go up on stage and say, I'm King of the world, I thought, Oh, no.

What did he just say? I've never seen it. I know.

Oh, my God. I know. Because he got a lot of homework to do. I know. Jason's listening to Wannabie by The Spice Girls. Will you're watching Titanic? And Sean, just get Ricky.

Fix your cat.

Get him a little fix.

Fix your cat.

I'm going to thank you for being here.

Bye, thank you. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Bye. Bye-bye. Good night.

Sean, you were right.

Great guest. She did it while she was sick.

So nice for her, Sean. Sick as a dog.

This is worth. You don't... When we do these late night records, the stakes are high that it be a good guest and.

You nail it there. By the way, for the record, it was a 4:00 PM record. So when you say late night for most people, they have a different... Okay, but the other thing... The other thing is, I will say this, and this is a compliment to you, JB, not even a fucking... There's no punchline. She has a great work ethic, like a lot of people I know who were young as actor, as director, whatever. She has that same thing, and you have that same thing, which is she's sick. In all the years I've done stuff with you, I've never known you to call in sick. Not fucking once.

There was plenty of times when I'd clear my day when it was 3:00 AM and I was still.

Having fun. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Except for the one- Back in the day. -except for when you blew your colon out when we were doing that fight scene on Arrestive Development.

You did. We fought too hard.

You broke my colon. I know that's true. But anyway, she does have that great thing. She's always just, God, she's so good. When you start listing off the stuff that she does and they're all so different, you're like.

Yeah, I missed on that. When an actor has never sucked, that's something.

She's in that category. She's in that never sucked. I always say John Goodman, number one, he's the first guy I always think of when I think has never sucked. And she's in that category. There are a few people who fall into that category, and she's one of them.

Yeah, she's incredible. I didn't get to ask her about... I want to talk more about La La Land about how it shots.

Get ready. Well, there we go.

Next time.

Honestly, nobody better.

Here comes.

Who's got it? Yeah, well, I love Birdman, too.

Oh, you know what I also like? Do you ever see Bye-bye, Birdie? I couldn't even do it. I couldn't even... I'm crazy we're going to do that.

You're.

Fired, Sean. Bye-bye, Birdy. Wait a second.

You can't.

Just start saying- It's too-.

You're too tired. See, it's too late. It's too late to even come up with a bye.

Well, I was going to say this. I love that she got her name from the Baby Spice because she's such a fan of the Spice. Spice, girl.

That's good.

Spice, little girl. I don't know. Bye, everybody.

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