Hi, I'm here. I'm here in the room. I'm just being as quiet as I can. I'm so excited to be on the show. So excited. Oh, my God. Welcome to SmartLiz. Smart. Liz. Smart. Liz. Smart. Liz. Smart.

Liz.

Will's got a different background because he's out of the country, specifically our northern brother or Your sister?

Yeah.

We may have talked about this before, but when you go home, do you sleep in your old-Your parents' bed? Room?

I sleep with my parents because it always gave me comfort to get in between them. So I still sleep with them.

Mommy, Daddy, cuddles?

Yeah. No, I don't stay here.

I don't stay here. Settle me.

Could you ever live there again?

In Toronto?

Yeah.

Yeah. By the way, I could- Will, do you have a second piece of gum you could put in your mouth for the record?

Just to get it in stereo? This is actually too. I know. I just realized. That'd be great. I heard it myself. Let's go ahead.

Thank you. We're recording now, you're saying?

Yeah, it's an audio medium.

It is an audio. Okay, got it. Toronto is very... It's a great city, and I could live here, and there's so much stuff I love about it.

The problem is it's very gray from November to June.

It's Chicago. That's basically Chicago.

I think it's gray. I think you get more gray days.

It's just where it sits between the Great Lakes, et cetera. We don't want to get into Ontario weather patterns, but it is gray.

Otherwise, it's awesome.

You think that that would make you somewhat blue, like what people talk about in England and stuff like that?

I don't know.

I like it.

Yeah, I do, too. I think it's so cozy, right?

But you know, in England, it rains and stuff, but you do get sunny days.

Toronto, it's not even that it gets a lot of rain, it's that it gets a lot of cloud cover, specifically. I think at a certain point, you just...

It's reminding me once I had this dream.

You do have the maple leaves there, though, so doesn't that offset it a bit?

I do have the maple leaves here. I'm really excited about.

You're in town for some hockey, right?

I'm in town. This is going to come out way after, but I'm in town for the All-Star Game. I had a great dinner last night with some of the boys from a hockey podcast It's called Spitten Chicklets. Sure.

Was that right?

Oh, yeah.

With Biz and Ryan Whitney and the boys.

All right on.

Yeah. Spitting Chicklets. It was so super fun. Interesting dudes. Really, really funny. We had a lot of big laughs.

That's fine. Let's It's going to be fun for you taking part in that All-Star Weekend, right? Aren't you managing a team with Connor McDavid?

I am. I'm like the celebrity co-captain.

Guys, I can't wait to talk to our guest today. I can't wait for you to talk to our guest today. He's considered one of the finest actors of his generation.

By the way, wait a shoehorn that in, Sean. I can't.

Listener, he's holding up a shoehorn. Okay, don't worry.

My dad's got two on his desk.

Smell them.

Why two? By the way.

Sorry, I'm sorry. Cut it.

Why do you have those? Can't you just use your finger?

How many times have you said that?

Ask my dad. I'll get my dad in here. He's got two. All right, sorry. Sorry, guest. We go. Listen, I'm not trying to highlight whatever his stuff is on his desk.

Nice.

He'll have a highlight.

What? I'm I have a caretop.

He's so gitty that he's at home. He turns small. I know. He just feels comfortable, doesn't he?

Still holding his Teddy bear. I do. Anyway, here we go. Let's not keep him waiting any longer. He's very busy and he's a huge, major global star. He's much younger than us. He's not just a Hollywood royal, but he legitimately comes from, and I did not know this, real Swedish nobility. It's true. Oh, whoa. A man of many talents. He's fluent in French like Will. He's musically inclined like me and loves to cook not like Jason. He even made an appearance once making pasta with Mario Batali on Food Network's Multi Mario. It's my favorite just on screen, Homosexual, the brilliant Jake Gillenhal.

Jake Jelenhaw. Bravo. Hello, Jake. Hi. It's been a long time.

Jakeula Gillenhal.

There he is. You have the whole name.

I don't know if...

Is it really? Is Jakeula the long version?

It's Jakeula. Yeah.

No. Count Jakeula?

You know, Jake, you've probably heard this before, but I have so much trouble spelling your name that in the Google search, I just put G-Y and it comes up.

Yeah, they're like, We got it.

It's easy like that.

Well, Jake, wait, do we still live near each other? Where are you at?

We don't. I mean, I moved to New York.

You're a lucky man. You're a lucky man. Didn't we go up... What was the name of that? Runian? Jake is a world-class bicyclist.

Are you really?

Which comes as no surprise to anyone who's seen his silhouette.

Yeah. Have you guys known each other because you both grew up here?

No. How did we get to know one another? We did live near one another. We had some mutual friends. We hung out for a bit. We did some bike riding for a bit, and then I gassed. Jake kept going. You're one of the best descenders that I've ever. I could You're not into a tuck. That is the world's greatest back-end compliment I've ever heard.

Nobody goes down a hill like you.

There are circles where that's a very positive thing.

We're not in one.

That's really funny.

Now, if you're in New York- I will never forget that. I will never forget that. Are you able to bike in New York? No, there's not as many bike riding opportunities, right? You're doing something different.

Yeah.

Everybody bikes in New York.

Yeah, you can ride bikes in New York. You can ride along West Side Highway and then up West Side Highway pretty far.

I'd be scared, though, because of the traffic and people.

And the potholes, right? Their roads are all torn to shit for weather.

I always rode my bike. That's how we go around.

But not these kinds of bikes. These kinds of bikes are like, sports car level performance tires, and you go over one little bump and they'll pop.

Sometimes my friends, we'd go in the Central Park, right? Then you take the West Side Highway, and then you'd have to When you cut in, that's when you have to deal with about probably, I don't know, 15 blocks of pretty heavy traffic because it's the center of Manhattan. Then you get in the Central Park and you do the loops. It's still crazy there, too, because depending on the time, there's all these people walking, crossing, and all that stuff.

Yeah. Tricycles and wagons and stuff.

Even on the weekend, when they shut down the roads and stuff, you got a million ding-dongs and everybody's tripping on acid for the first time in their life. Let's go trip on acid in Central Park. People like me. That's where I did it.

I'd give anything to hang with a million ding-dongs.

I know you.

Sean, let's take a minute. It's just like a ball pit. Sean, if you could fill a ball pit with any snack, what would it be?

Oh, my God.

If you could fill a ball pit with any snack, what would it be?

Just ask the great Descender. Spaghetti.

Old snacky Descender wants to know what you'd fill your ball pit with.

What, Jake, what I was going to ask you was, because we're talking about cycling high level, not just... I used to ride my bike, but I had a beat piece of shit and not doing it for necessarily to get in shape. It occurs to me, obviously, I've seen so many promos for your new movie where you look like you're going to fucking beat the whole world up, Roadhouse, and it's unbelievable. It looks amazing.

It's unbelievable. That's not the first time he's been fucking stacked.

He's keeping himself tight. I've seen you in shape before in other things, and every time I have nothing but envy, I'm like, This motherfucker looks so good. Then what occurs to me is, and now we're talking about cycling, have you always Have you always been into fitness your whole life? Forget getting in shape for the movie and being a super ripped fighter and crazy. Have you always been into exercising, staying mobile, playing sports, doing that shit?

Yeah, always. I mean, my dad- Really? Yeah, my dad was super athletic. He still is. He would wake me up in the morning doing yoga in front of my bed. Oh, boy. Then he'd be like, Let's go for a run.

Hey, dad, can you turn the down dog just 180 for me when I get up, please? I don't I'm going to be bulldogged, right? When I get out of bed.

Bulldog.

It's a technique of waking one up. But it was definitely... It was always perpendicular. It was never He's a stuffy-out.

He's a kind guy.

I didn't have a lot of space in the front of the bed, the front of the room as growing up, so he used what he had. But he would wake me up and we would run, and he was always very physical. I remember we'd do maybe a mile and a half run when I was a kid, and he was always so encouraging. Then by the time we got to the end of the last block, he would always be like, You got to... This hurts me. You got to run. You got to sprint. Sprint this last block. We'd run, and then we'd run up the driveway. I remember the driveway? I'd be dying. He'd be like, Go, go, go. He'd always let me win. Nice.

Interesting.

Yeah.

You have this about it, Sean. I guess Sean's dad was really good at running, too.

He just tried to do it before Sean got up, and it would be in a car.

It was just one direction. It was just one direction.

It would be descending.

Yeah. He'd call for when he got to- Running away.

Running away.

Sorry. No, that's interesting. I used to run with my dad every single morning, too. Then I got- Did you really? Yeah. He'd wake me up every single morning, and then I got old enough where I- You were an old kid? Yeah. I'd start to complain when he'd wake me up and start to say, No, I'm going to sleep in this morning. I was old enough where he'd say, Well, all right, goodbye. It stopped for a while. But then, like everything you learn from your parents, you end up revisiting it and absorbing it when you're older. Now I run every day and I listen to classical music every day and I'm becoming my father, which is great.

That's so interesting. My brother, my oldest brother, because they didn't have a kid.

What's the opposite of interesting? Sorry.

I was going to actually say that's a preface to what I was going to say, but then I just stopped and then it stopped. I was like, Oh, that sounded like...

Yeah, it's boring.

That was definitely not interesting.

I got the boring handle.

I got you. No, because I was going to say it's interesting because my dad loves classical music and likes to exercise, too. So there you go. We should hook them up.

We should.

That's wild.

We absolutely should. Sorry, I asked that just not related at all to what we're talking about. No.

Go ahead, Sean. You had a question. No, I was just going to say my brother used to wake me up at like 4:00 in the morning just to work on my legs because I was so skinny.

Yeah.

So Jake- Squats and stuff?

Yeah. Wait.

Just legs. Wait.

At 4:00 in the morning.

Just legs. Every morning, just legs?

Can we get another shot at that sentence? Can we just start again?

It's true. It's true.

That's not okay. I know.

I was exhausted. Every day. What are you doing? It's just legs. What are you talking about? I want to know this thing. By the way, I'm going to ask all the boys.

You have them do squats in the middle of the night. By the way, have you seen Sean's biceps lately? I mean, this is honest. I gave his little arm squeeze Sunday. Will, it's almost as big as yours. He's stacked. Sean is like crazy build.

I worked out a ton. That's interesting.

People cut me because I'm in the Jelen Hall category. A lot of people refer to me. They call me JG on the side. But Sean, are you lifting with him?

No, I worked out for 20 years, really hard. Then I was just, now I'm exhausted. Now I just eat. Look, I have a bunch of questions for Jake Jelenhall. No, please. Okay, sorry.

Sorry, you don't want to talk about your physique.

No. I'm going to ask you boring questions that I'm sure you've answered all before, but I did not know this thing about the nobility Swedish thing. What's going on with that?

I don't really know. I don't know. It's a pretty convoluted story that I've been told to and then I've heard. We I am a descendant from some form of Swedish nobility. Yeah, that's about all.

Your great great grandfather was- Did you find this out doing one of the heritage tests?

No, I've known it. We have a coat of arms. What? Yeah, we have a coat of arms. That's cool. But I don't think he was really... I've done a little bit of digging. For a long time, I thought that he was a king, like a descendant. I was descendant from that royalty. But more and more, as I did research, I realized that it was... He actually was a cataloger and collector of beetles, and he worked for it.

Really?

Yeah, I think so. Look, I may be a- Oh, boy.

Like a hoarder?

Yeah, a form of hoarder. No, he collected them. He pinned them. He was like those beautiful, those things that they do. But he was a scientist, I guess. And then he was like nighted for his scientific work. Yeah. And then I I think that time.

Now, how much time have you spent there in Sweden? Anything at all?

I have never been to Sweden.

Excellent.

What?

I have never been to Sweden. Do you have any desire to? I do. I'd want to go there for Christmas.

I've been a few times.

And? It's amazing, right? It's amazing.

It's incredible.

Do you have family there, Jake?

I have extended family there, but I don't know them. There was a man named Hermann Jelenhall, who actually I met, who came over from Sweden that was in contact with my dad.

This is not the Bug Man.

It's not the Bug Man, but he is a descendant of the Bug. He came and visited us. He was the one who tried to bring us all together, Americans and Swedish, Gelenhalls.

Oh, really? I have some distant family in England that I haven't seen since I was a tiny, tiny kid and others that I've never even met. I feel guilty about that, I think. But then it's also like there would be... If you went down that lane, there would be hundreds, potentially, of people that you are somewhat related to that you have not yet met. How do you guys feel about that?

Well, I was going to say, and I want you to take this the right way.

Here it comes.

No, I do. But if you think If you think about it, you're a person who's in the public eye, and so obviously, they probably know who you are, especially if they share your name. They could get in touch with you if they wanted to.

Oh, and they had-I have to agree with that. It's on them. Thank you. Transfer and guilt.

Sean, moving forward. Sean, real question. What do you think your dad's new name is?

Can we talk about what a great descender Jason is for a second? Because I feel like you moved off that. I really feel like we should go back to that. Yeah. I actually do have a compliment here. I want to say that I was so profound. It is scary to go down a hill really fast. It really is when you're on a bike. It's not for the faint of heart. I can't believe we're on back to the bike. I realize what a badass he is.

I just don't think I've ever fallen before. I think I just need to fall once and I'll be riding the brakes.

Yeah, but I was like, This guy's nuts. You were going so fast. I remember just being like, Whoa, he's gone. No concept of speed.

Are you going down Loma Vista? Are you going down Coldwater? No, like Mulholland.

We went down Mulholland. I remember there were cars. It was crazy. You were just like, see you later.

Oh, that's right. Right by the Hollywood Bowl. Yeah.

It was so fast. It was so dangerous. I was deeply impressed.

I really was. You know what's scary? I knew a few boys, a few guys. I bet you. I sound like Sean. I know a few guys who got really into cycling, including my brother-in-law, Eddie, and a couple of other guys I know who got severely injured doing that super.

That's why Jake, correct me if I'm wrong, that's why one shaves their legs, in the anticipation of the inevitability. How does that stuff your head from getting crushed?

You mean generally that's why anyone shaves their legs or you mean for?

No, bicyclist, because you are going to fall. I just was like, That's interesting theory. You're going to fall and you're going to slide across the asphalt. If you don't have any hair on your legs or arms, the skin does not ball up as much and cleaning it becomes less painful. That's correct, right?

I've heard a lot of things. I think that's true. I also I think, I mean, being aerodynamic, which is a weird thing, but I think there are a lot of superstitions. I've heard superstitions from cyclists who are like, they are allowed to eat cheese, but it can't be melted because it has more calories or something. I don't know. There's all these weird things. I don't know. But I do think also if you're going to wear spandex that tight, you don't want to have hair pants. You know what I mean?

Oh, you mean the hair coming through the spandex? Yeah, not a good look.

And also just hair pants. It's It's just like spandex and hair. You know what I mean? Maybe that's something. But yes, the scab thing is true.

I thought it was excessive, Jay, because I remember you talked when you first got it, but I thought it was excessive when you started getting Brazilians as well, because I was like, How is this helping?

I saw that when you were descending, and I was like, That was not necessary.

I can go ahead and ride the saddle. Yeah, I don't need to arch and offer.

I love that. Because right as you sped off into literally like, warp speed, I I was like, what?

Well, that was- You don't know how you're going to land. You don't know what's going to hit the pavement first.

And who's going to see what.

Right. Needless to say, I'm no longer on the bike. I've sold the bike, Jake. I'm embarrassed to say, but I still have a huge drawer full of the funny outfits that I'm happy to sell to you on a very, very fair rate.

Jake, I want to know about you growing up.

Jake, are you the right size? Would you fit into an old man's extra small?

I did invite Jason just this year to a bike trip, I reached out to you and invited you to a bike trip.

It sounded very, very, very good.

Can you say where you went?

This was overseas, wasn't it?

Yeah, I went to the Alps. I went to the Alps. I was in the Pyrenees. We climbed the Alp d'Oise, we climbed the Glubier, we climbed Mount Ventoux. We did this crazy six-day trip.

This guy's a specimen, you guys.

Wait, you went to the Pyrenees? You didn't go to Andora, did you? It's the one place I want to go is Andora.

Yeah, I know. We crossed over the Pyrenees and we were in Provence, and then we climbed. The last climb we did was Mount Ventoux, which is, I think it's about 2,100 kilometers. It sounds exhausting. Then it's 11% incline the whole time, which was one of the most physically challenging things I've ever done and also such an incredible experience. Really, it was inexplicable. Speaking of tripping, by the end, you're just pushing to the-euphoria. Yeah.

Did you make it okay, comfortably? Did you throw up afterwards? Was your saddle aching?

The first one we did, the Alptuez, I've ridden before, once before, but I rode it maybe 15 years ago. I had been working, so I hadn't been riding my bike a whole lot, but I had assumed that I'd be like, Okay, I know. And one of the things that I think is really important is more mental, like how much pain can you handle? I was like, Okay, I'll be fine. And when I arrived, we had guides. We had two guys, ex-pros. They were great guys. And then my good friend was with me, and he had been training secretly. I had been trying to get on a Peloton. I had just been desperately trying. I hadn't been on a bike. For a week, I was like, I'm just going to go really hard on Peloton. I'll be fine. When I arrived off the train in France, the two ex-pros looked at my friend. They're like, Well, you're ready. I was like, Wait, what? The Alpdüez, we got up there and I bonkers halfway up the Alpdüez.

You just ran out of gas?

I just ran out of gas. Because what happens is your body just can't... You just run out of glucose.

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Have you ever ridden with Lance Armstrong? Yes. How did you do? Did you keep up?

No, I did not. No. When he wanted to let me keep up, I kept up. I watched one of those doc series about the guys climbing the Alps that was on one of the streaming services last year.

Yeah, you told me I watched that, too.

Yeah, and I think 20 minutes less into the first one, I was like, Motherfuck, this is hard.

The one thing I don't understand, Jake, is why can't the seat be more comfortable? Why does it have to be so hard Because you lose circulation. It's so hard and things just go numb and it's not comfortable. If it could just be a little pad or maybe a shearling top, a sheepskin. You can do that.

You can do anything you want. There's no rule.

You Jay, you should do a collab with UGG. You should do a collab with UGG, baby.

Sort of a backrest, maybe even.

They have those, too, man. You can do anything. You're not riding in the Tour de France.

You can do everything. I'm a soft guy.

Or even something with an engine or two seats and passengers.

Or a rope that's connected to an engine.

Let's just go. An engine. That flies in the sky and takes you places fast.

Speaking of which, what about those E-bikes? Do you have one yet?

Are we going to talk for an hour about bikes?

Until we're done with all of it.

No, I'll talk a little bit.

No, I have a thousand questions.

I know. Sean's like, I can see his face. He's like, Oh, my God. I asked one question about his Swedish noble. I did buy an E-bike. I have bought an E-bike. Yes. And you know, there are E-bikes. If you want to come on a trip, any of you guys want to come, you're not going to come on a trip. If you want to come on the trip, no, for real. If you want to come, if you want to ride, regular, you can ride just without. But they also have There's a lot of E-bikes that are attached to a heart rate. So you can choose your heart rate that you want to get to. And then stay at. The bike will keep you at that place. Let's go away.

What do you do about all? You just wear headphones to mute out the ridicule you're getting from the other riders?

I am just desperately, I really want people to get on this trip and come because it's fun, but they don't believe it. No one believes that they're fun trips. I believe that. Where is it?

Where is the trip?

Well, they change. We're trying to find new cool places to Not Hancock Park, Sean.

Okay, I'm sorry. He won't be there.

All right, Sean, let's hear some of these bitching questions.

Finally. Jake, welcome to the show.

Jake has done a lot of theater. So Jake- Hold on.

Let me just... Hold on. Okay. Reveal yourself.

It's the Sean Hayes Show. Go ahead, Jon. I want to know about growing up because I think it's fascinating that you come from a family. Your dad's a director. Your mom is this incredible writer. Your sister is also... You're all killing it. It's like... By the way, I had dinner with your mom at a mutual lawyer friends house a million years ago, and I was much younger then, and I hadn't really written anything yet. I expressed to your mom, God, I wish I was a better writer. It's just so overwhelming to me. I remember this. I'll never forget it. She said, The hardest part of writing is starting. Your mom said that to me, and I still remember it. No way. Not that we hear that all the time, but I was the first time I ever heard anybody say it was from your mom. I took that and I started writing, and I wrote scripts and whatever, but that was because of your mom.

Holy shit.

Jesus You're going to lead with that.

My mom will be actually so flattered by that.

Yeah, what a memory. It's just starting is the hard part? Is that... Fuck.

I was just going to ask- But I hadn't heard that before. I was going to ask, every time you start everything, you think about My Mom?

Yeah.

I can really apply it to anything, I think.

That's a weird question, Sean.

No, it didn't even have a question mark on it. No question. This is how bad the Sean Hayes Show is.

I wanted...

Thank you for listening to the Sean Hayes Show.

We just started and we ended. Thank you, Naomi Phoner.

No, you know what? I will say... That's my mom's name, by the way.

Wait, what's your mom's name?

Naomi Phoner. Naomi Phoner.

Naomi Phoner. I will say, to Sean's credit, it is interesting to have something like that happen and that's something that sticks with you, and now you're on with the person, JB. Yes, that's crazy to me. It is mildly interesting. However, the way Sean said it was so fucking boring. It could have been interesting.

Will you come on this bike cycle, Jim? We'll talk so much shit about Sean.

I'll talk shit about anybody.

You don't have to go on a bike ride. You just listen to this.

But Sean, get us back on the rails. We're sorry.

I will. I want to know what it was like. I know, it's so hard. I want to know what it was like. I mean, again, I say this all the time on the podcast. I grew up in Chicago with looking at Hollywood like this thing that was unachievable. So I came here with, so what was it like growing up? I know you get to ask this all the time, but I don't know the answer. Growing up around it. Then did you find that that's all you're talking about around the dinner table when your kid is the business? And how do you escape talking about other things?

Jason, do you want to take this in tandem, so to speak?

It is. I was just so curious to hear what your answer is going to be because I've got my... It's better, right? It gives you even more stuff to talk about around the dinner table?

I think it's a double-edged sword. It's a double-edged sword. I think in a way, it's amazing because speaking of my mom, she taught me so much about all this stuff and how to find stuff that's good and what's good and when the dialog is good. Then same, when I was a kid, my dad would... I'd play around, I'd joke. I was performing when I was really little, just joking around. Then he would really encourage it and understood me in that performance stuff. There was outside of the idea of the advice and stuff and watching their careers and then saying, Oh, you could go this way or that way. Oh, don't do this. Try that, which is a bit of a It's a good start.

Yeah. Well, how much of your own... Because a lot of people grow up with... And we take on a point of view. Sometimes our point of view is colored by our upbringing and our parents and what we were... Sometimes? Well, a lot of them. When you go into the same... But certainly, vocationally, when you go into the same thing that your parents did, do you look back and go like, Oh, I see the influence of my mom or my dad speaking to me when I look at a script, when I think about doing something, when I'm making a choice as an artist, if you will. Do you recognize that?

I try to, both good and bad. I really do. I try in as best as I can. What What I do think is a lot of those things as we get to be a certain age become an unconscious thing. You put them into experience and then you do things, you're lucky enough to make things and you keep doing it. Then you try them out and then we get a tool belt and then we're using it. And so they are a mix of that. I can't differentiate anymore, really, from what I've learned from them and what I've learned from other people because I've been doing it from such a young age.

Do they still give you input when you work on something?

Yeah, particularly with writing and even in development of things and things like that. My sister wrote her first screenplay and wrote and directed it to great success. And then she just wrote another one and she's directing it. It's this amazing thing. My mom is a big part of it. My sister sends me the script. She sends my mom the script. My mom and her will talk through things. She's a real mentor. That is a massive thing to have in your back pocket. That's amazing.

Do you find I think naturally, any child is always looking to impress their parents when they're tiny. Then as you grow older, you start to meet other adults, you become an adult yourself. But Since you started with the entertainment industry and your parents were in it, do you find that they still occupy the major North Star? You point your efforts towards and look for their approval and their review of things. Do you know what I mean? I certainly do. I'm still a small boy looking for dad's approval because that's where it all started there. He taught me how to act. He taught me how to direct. I like that. I like that I'm not over that.

Aren't we all? I mean, yeah, in one way or another, definitely. I think also, though, there's a sense of just for me now because there's all that stuff, work becomes a big thing with all of our families, if our parents are working, you hear about their work. It's just inevitable. The vocabulary becomes part of it. To me, me and my sister in particular, and my family more and more, as all that stuff gets into your life and you're doing that, we tend to now try and just work on the family stuff. Because to me, that's what I've grown to care about most. In the end, no matter what we all do and what we create, it all comes down to them being there no matter what. They We'll be there.

Do you have other siblings? Is it just you and Maggie?

I have a little half brother. He's a half brother. He's also little. My dad had another child. But he's my half brother. He's my sister's half brother. But my sister and I grew up together.

Then what about... You and Maggie have had, I'm assuming, a very positive experience of being in this business, and you've been able to transition from child actor into adult actor and incredibly successful, both of you. Do you imagine that you would be supportive of your children going into this? Because I get this question all the time. How do you...

My answer is always, yeah, I can't be hypocritical.

I've had a great experience and it's been challenging, but it hasn't been detrimental or damaging. I would just make sure that I would condition my child or explain to my child what to look out for and what to not and what it is and what it isn't and just manage their expectations. Then after that, let them make their own decision. But at 10 years old, which I was, and I think you were right around the same age, can you really assess all of the pitfalls such that you make a good decision? I don't know.

My parents did a very smart thing, which is they were like, you need to get an education. They were very early on. They were like, I just want to do this thing. And they were like, okay, cool, great. You can keep doing that, but you don't need to do it in the deep end, right?

Yeah, or in lieu of. Yeah.

Yeah, exactly. Socializing was a huge thing. Go be amongst kids who are tough on you. You know what I mean? Not just in an adult world.

Yeah. If you can balance it, if you can handle it, go for it. Yeah.

Exactly. I love that. Yeah.

No, go ahead.

No. To me, that's what I would do. I think we can admit it's not a normal life in that way. It's just important to perspective.

I read that when you were a kid, you also used to volunteer to homeless shelter, and you celebrated your 13th birthday at one?

Wow. Is that true? My mother's Jewish, my father's Christian. They're not practicing very heavily, but they... They had a bit of a dilemma in my bar mitzvah moment, kinsanera situation. They didn't know really how to celebrate Wait a second.

You went a combo bar mitzvah, kinsanera? No. At a homeless shelter? So you got a deal on the venue. Basically.

A real deal.

Everybody showed up, too. But it was Yeah. One of the things was they were like... My father was very big about passages, and that's what it was. They agreed that there was a passage of time and you were walking through this space. These are the qualities that they wanted me to understand. They decided instead of something more formal, like we do all these different things, and one of them was, yeah, we went to a homeless shelter on my birthday and fed the homeless.

It sounds like they started you out with just a great set of values, a great guide in which to be a decent person. You seem to have really held on to that. You're just a really kind person, and you've You managed to acquire a great deal of success. We're in such a permissive culture and atmosphere with what we do. Is it a constant... How much of a struggle is it for you to not take advantage of all the latitude people like yourself are given on set, off of set? Do you know what I mean? Because I don't know, did they raise you well enough where it's not that much of a battle?

I I'm obsessed with my work. I love my work, and I dig into the characters that I do. Do you know? And so that's where, to me, inside that learning, it has been... Learning how to be an actor is a different thing. I don't think my parents were. They were not actors. It's a completely different scenario.

They were teaching how to be a good person, not a good actor.

Yeah? Right. They were... They were like, learn, read great plays, try and perform them so you can understand what they're doing.

Prepping your full life in the arts as you want.

Yeah, I mean, for whatever I wanted, really, whatever I felt they were down for. But I think that's always the question, right? We grow up in it, and when we grow up in it, it's a different thing. There are people who come into the business and they've experienced life and they experience success at a different age. It's very interesting to watch people experience success at different ages. I was so grateful to experience it very early, but at the same time, it came with its own growing up throughout the whole process.

I just watched City Slickers the Internet. I swear to God, I just watched it and I was like, Is that Jake?

Jake Gyllenhaal?

You were five? How old were you in that?

I was 11.

You can totally tell it's you. I never noticed that before. I was like, Oh, my God, Jake Gyllenhaal's in City Slickers.

Were you like Billy Crystal's son?

I was Billy Crystal's son.

No way, really.

Really Billy, he He found me, and he was like, There's something about this kid. I have a poster that still says... He signed a poster for me for City Slickers' poster, and it says, Thanks for letting me be in your first movie. He literally wrote that. No way.

That's cool.

It was so cool. It's the best poster ever. He is the fucking best.

Yeah, he's such a nice man.

Oh, such a nice man. I worship him. It is very interesting. Who directed that? Was that- Ron Underwood.

Oh, right.

Ron Ron Underwood. Who's Ron Underwood?

I don't know that guy.

He directed City Slickers. Then I love this. You were cast in Mighty Ducks, but you couldn't take it, right? Or your parents didn't let you take it?

You know when people ask you guys, Oh, you got that part, but you didn't do that part? You're like, Why am I done? Someone else did it. It's theirs. This is weird. That's the story. It's like, yeah, I almost did the part that I'm never going to do, and someone else did better than me. Why are we doing? But yeah, I auditioned for it. My My parents would let me audition for things without being like, oh, sweet Jake, he wants to go audition for it. Cool. Then I auditioned, and I got it pretty much. They were like, oh, shit. You have to go to school. I was like, no, I want to learn hockey. Yeah, by the way, Will, we have a lot to talk about that because you should talk to my parents. I wanted to learn how to play hockey. It's the best.

Where's your hockey passion now? Do you still have a hockey passion?

No, I wasn't allowed it. I didn't do Mighty Ducks. But yeah, that was a thing.

But a lot of the times, a lot of the role, like Jar had, God, you're so fucking good on that.

You've just done so many great movies.

Yeah. All these last year-I just got to say, I wish you had done Like a Mighty Ducks.

Sorry, I just think of what could have been. I just think of what could have been.

I messed up. I messed up. But these roles in these big, huge movies that just seem to me, I could never do the things you do. They just seem like colossal undertakings as an actor.

The physicality that you take on is just remarkable.

We were talking about at the beginning. What I love- You're brilliant, Sean. Thank you. I was waiting for that. We got it. He said it.

But we do prefer a nice sitcom routine. It's six hours a day.

You and I have sing together, by the way.

That's the thing.

I know.

Wait, really? Where did you guys sing? Where?

We sing at the Tony's, A Whole New World. A whole new World, yeah. No way. It was an arranged marriage, wasn't it? Do you have theater stories?

If you have a theater story right now, Jake- Jake, my favorite thing is medical stories and theater stories.

I got to say, I listen to you guys, and I just want to say that I have a great losing a Contact story. Here we go.

I was like, What the fuck? When I'm on that, that was my fucking story. Yeah, Sean, get Scotty in here. That's the Like, yeah, I thought, Oh, that's my part.

She stole my part.

We'll be right back.

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So there you are, you're on stage. What happened?

I'm on stage. I did this show with Ruth Wilson called Constellations, which is this amazing show, a two-hander. It's 75 scenes in 90 minutes, basically. The changes of scenes, it's about a couple. It's a bit sliding doors-ish, but there are basically five scenes that happen over a couple's relationship. Within the five scenes, there are eight scenes of the different potential things that could happen. First they meet, and then one of them is not into the other and the other one is. Then boom, the light's changed. Then the other one who wasn't into the other is into the other. It switches, then they're both into each other. The next one, then neither of them are into each other. Then it moves forward. Subsequently, actually, it gets to him asking her to to carry him. I had in tech-The final rehearsals, right?

Yeah, final rehearsals. For Tracy, that's the final rehearsal.

I had said basically, Okay, we had one prop in the whole show. It was just two people on stage. We never left this platform. It was 90 minutes, never left. There was one prop, and the prop was a ring in my pocket that I kept, and you had to prebble stuff. I said to the stage manager, I said, Can I just put some contact lenses under the stage in the back? Because I'm legally blind without contact lens. No, I am legally blind. I can't function.

Your contact's in right now?

No, but you guys look great.

Yeah, I would be deeply offended if we were making love right now and I found out you didn't have your contacts in.

He didn't even bother. He didn't even bother bringing his fucking contact lens in for us. He's like, What?

I know. I just like, actually, At the same time, I had gotten into a little thing with Ruth early on because my brother-in-law, who's an amazing actor, by the way, he came to see me in previews and he gave me notes, and he gave me two notes. One note was he was like, still, there's power and stillness, because I think I was moving around a lot and trying to get a lot of attention. The next note was, Don't let her upstage you.

That's what he said. She kept walking upstage, huh?

No, I think he actually meant she's just a better actor than you, so just try harder and figure it out because she is a better actor than me. I learned that over the course of the run.

Because, Tracy, if an actor walks upstage, it forces you to turn your back to the audience to talk to that person, and now the audience can't see your face. They can only see the person on stage. She She's just magical.

She's just the type of actor that… I'd always talk about this. When Saturday nights, the energy is so much more intense. And Saturday nights, she would ride that energy like a wave, and I'd be like, It's so intense. And she'd be like, See you. And they'd be like, The roof is incredible. So he was like, Just try not to let her do that. Try and surf. Don't be afraid. Stay with her. Yeah. We had gotten into a thing where I was like, I was like, I feel like you're upstaging me. She was like, I'm not. I'm just the actor bullshit. She's like, I'm not. What are you talking about? I'm like, Can we just try and stay on the same line? Because this is about us. Anyway, the light changes, by the way, these big pops in the show. You have about a second and a quarter to change. At the same time that I… It's very hard to explain because I would put my hand in my pocket in the scene before I'm supposed to ask her to marry me because I pull out the ring and no one's seen a prop. And so they go, Oh, how do you get that ring?

I put my hands in my pockets and the ring was not in my pockets. I was like, It's the only prop. By the way, in tech, I was like, What if we... Okay, I have contact lenses up there, but what if I don't have the prop? They're like, Dude, is it Broadway? We have a prop master who usually deals with a thousand props. He has one prop. Okay, so don't worry. You're going to have your prop. Okay? Don't worry. I was like, I know, But if they're just… I was like, Can I just please? They're like, Crazy. Sure. They put it there. I rubbed my eye, contact lens falls out in the scene. I put my hand into my pocket. I can't find a fucking ring. I'm like, Oh, my God, I can't see anything. Then Ruth… Then I start to move up stage because I remember there's a contact lens in there and the ring is over there. Ruth starts looking at me like, Oh, you, motherfucker, I know what you're doing. You're going up stage. You, asshole. I was like, No, I can't see anything inside of her trying to communicate.

She thinks you were just winking at her constantly.

I know what's up. Then as soon as I like, boom, lights pop, I run over, grab the contact lenses, grab the thing, and I put the contact lens in my eye because I can do it since I've been putting contact lens in my eye since I was a kid, like really, really young. Then she was like, Oh, my God. Like she realized in the moment.

Yeah, that was it. Yeah, that's funny. I used to do this thing in Promises Promises. There's this guy, his name's... Thank you so much.

By the way, beautiful.

Incredible.

His name's Ryan, and we would give each other horrible, horrible shit right before we'd enter the stage. It's like the three of us do, just scathing. He goes, I'm actually dead serious before. Tonight, can you make sure that during this one dance sequence, you Because you're blocking, you're just blocking me just ever so. I go, Ryan, I'm going to stop you. I never look behind me on stage.

What a sweetheart. No, Jake, if you're not acting, if you're not exercising, being physical, what else are you doing to fill your time? You don't have any... Are you a reader? Are you a TV watcher? Are you a painter? Do you love to knit? I'm going to get my mom in here in a second because she's mad that you guys still haven't sent her a picture of the fucking sweaters. I did. Tell her to check the junk file.

I collect shoe horns, actually, which is interesting. What? Dude. Yeah, that's a big-Will, show him that. That's a big pastime of mine. Oh, my God.

He made it Sweden. Oh, my God.

So am I.

He made it Sweden.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

This is coming full circle. You have no odd hobby.

I cook a lot. I cook a lot. I cook major.

Yeah, I want to talk about cooking. I didn't know you cook.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But you're not cooking fatty shit. You're good at cooking like, veggies stuff or macrobiotic or something.

I cook everything. I love to cook. I love to shop for food.

Then you eat what you want. You just make sure that you exercise a lot.

No, I've tried all different things. I'm down with intermittent fasting. I really like that as an idea because I tend to go like, I'm going to just over eat. Instead, I just go, We're just not going to eat today for a while. It's all or nothing.

Are you sweet tooth or salty?

What's your- Ultimately, I think I'm a sweet tooth. Yeah, I just like cake. Me too. I like cake. I have a massive sweet tooth.

I love cake.

I got it. I'm a pie guy.

Do you guys know Yosia Reffy, by the way? No. No. Her cookbooks? Uh-uh. She has this book called... I'm like, this is a shameful plug on her book, but it is incredible. It's called Snack snacking cakes. Snacking Cakes.

Snacking Cakes.

Yeah. There's also this lemon cake that she makes that the recipe has pieces of the lemon in it. I don't know if you like a lemon cake.

I do. I don't want to eat a piece of lemon, though.

No, you chop it small. It's in little pieces, but you get this burst of citrus, so to speak. You really do. No, it's like I'm a sucker for glazes like that.

Would you be into that, Sean? You think you might be into a cake?

I love a lemon pound cake.

Garbage can.

No, I love that, though. I got an ice cream maker for Christmas. I like- Why you wanted to cut out the middleman, it was too much with the fucking desire to driving to the ice cream shop.

Get out of the store.

I'd rather just cry and make it while I cry.

By this time next year, he's going to figure out how to make ice cream in his mouth.

Okay, wait a minute. I want to talk about Roadhouse because it comes out March 21st. I'm prime, which is really exciting. Wait, were you nervous to remake such a classic film? Because Patrick Swayze, we all love Patrick Swayze. I'm sure you're going to kill it, but were you nervous?

I knew Patrick Swayze was in Donny Darko, this film that I did. That's right. That's right. Yeah.

He's like- Donnie Darko. Can I also just say before you got Night Crawler? I don't know why. It just occurred to me. I just remembered how much I fucking love that movie, dude.

All your movies. He was so great.

It was such a good movie.

So good. Didn't Bob L. Switch shoot that? He did. Yeah. He's a buddy of yours. The one time I've ever been in a room with him was at your house at a birthday party that you had, and I saw him walking around. I was like, What the fuck is going on? I know. He's a cinematographer, everybody, and he's a God.

That movie's a fucking masterpiece. Anyway, so you're doing- I love that movie, too.

But Roadhouse.

You worked with Swayzey. We worked with Swayzey.

He was just the sweetest, most generous, kindest man. When we worked together, and I, Point Break was a movie that I watched maybe. Maybe I've watched that movie more than any movie I've ever watched, if I'm honest, because I racked in so many hours from nine years old to, admittedly, 43. I just love that movie. I love a lot of his movies. Roadhouse, I remember these faint memories of the poster, and I don't know where I remember seeing it. Then I also remember watching clips of it, or it was on TV and being What is this? It's ingrained in my unconscious, this movie. Doug Lyman, who's a good friend of mine. We've been friends for 20 years. Brilliant.

Right director.

Brilliant. He was like, We've been trying to find a movie for a long time to do together. We were talking one night because we were talking about one other movie that he had sent me. We were talking about it. We were like, Oh, man, that's interesting. Then he was like, I do have this other idea. They just sent me this script of Roadhouse. It's like a reimagining of it. I was like, I'm I'm fucking in. I literally was... It was like whoever saw those clips, whoever, it just came out of me. I'm in.

Wow.

I love that.

You filmed an actual fight with a live audience?

I went to the UFC to film. Yeah, we went to the UFC and I filmed the octagon. What?

It was crazy.

Yeah, it was so fun. It was so incredible. It was incredible. They let us film there. The UFC was amazing. It was That's nuts. I was high from it for four days after.

Would you say that you got into the best cardiovascular shape you've ever been in through grappling? Because you think you're in shape until you start wrestling with someone. It's crazy how tired you get, right?

Try wrestling with Conor McGregor. I was just going to say.

I was going to say. I can't believe. Is this his first acting gig?

Yeah, it's his first. I mean, it depends on how much you consider the performance pre-fight, but yes, this is his first acting gig professional.

Wow, that's pretty wild.

How was that process shooting in front of those crowd? I got to say, that mixed martial arts makes me nervous sometimes. Not just the crowd. It's a little...

Yeah, they want blood. It's very dangerous. It's like the Coliseum back in the old days.

Yeah, it's like a little bit of Coliseum, but it always makes me nervous because there's blood lust, right? People were out there to really-Literally.

You get on the canvas and we were right before the main cards. One of the prelams? Yeah, so it was like post-prelams. It was pre-pay-per-view. We were told we were going to either get like 45 seconds or seven minutes. We didn't know because depending on how the earlier fights went, if they went all It was in a way. If they finished in the first 30 seconds, that would accumulate our time. They wouldn't guarantee us anything. But by the time we got there, there had been some really intense fights. There was blood on the map. I walked up onto the canvas and there was just so much blood on the map.

Are Are you kidding me?

No, it was just blood all over the canvas.

They don't clean it?

No, it's canvas.

Could you wear slippers during the?

Oh, yeah. Don't worry. I wear feet condoms. There we go. No, it's really... It's actually Faven.

Fuck. Faven is going to go wash his hands just to show you that story.

One of the things they don't tell you about Jason is that in grappling in particular and mixed martial arts, staff is a big thing because everybody's grappling on these mats. Actually, when we were shooting, when We were shooting Roadhouse. I got staff. We were shooting and my arm blew up. I was like, What is this? I didn't know what it was. Here we go, Sean. Here's a medical story. Yeah, I love it. I thought it was because there's a big final fight between me and Connor McGregor in it. And Conor is amazing. He's amazing. He coached me through a lot of our fights. He came in, he was like, I'm a white belt in this movie world, this acting world. I'm here to learn from you. I was like, it was such humility. I said, Well, I'm obviously less than a white belt in your world. So you tell me what you need me to do. Please don't hurt me. Yeah. No. Every time we have to say to Conor, they'd be like, We're rolling. Okay, marker. And then I'd be like, I'd have to say, remember, even two months into shooting, remember, don't hit me in the face.

Remember that. He'd be like, Oh, yeah, right, right, right, right, this fight on like you would? No, not all of them, because some people were like, well, what they started to do is they picked up on us filming, and then they realized that there was a good guy and a bad guy in the fight. Then they started cheering when I would throw a punch and they'd be like, Yeah. Then it was like 15,000 people cheering for this thing.

That was accurate for the story? You were the good guy?

They had no idea. Yeah, they had no idea. Wow.

Where was it?

We were in Vegas. It was 285. I was supposed to do 283, and then I got the night before got COVID, and we had the whole crew ready to go. And so we had to wait.

What's 285?

The number of fights.

Oh, wow. Wow. The number of fights. Did you get hurt at all?

During the filming? Yeah.

The staff infection.

All the time. Well, yeah. Yeah, but I mean. The staff infection in the end, I didn't know it was staff infection. I woke up and I was like, My elbow feels weird. I thought it was just because I had grabbed Connor like 30 times in this one moment. I thought, Oh, he was just throwing this arm down on me. I was grabbing it so hard that I thought it just hurt my elbow. I woke up in the middle of the night and I couldn't touch my elbow to the bed sheet.

You're so lucky you didn't get hurt.

I mean, you so easily could have just like, I know it's so fucking- You know, bones were broken? I know.

It's just something pop out.

Yeah. I know. I mean, Sean, you said one time at work, right? Didn't you say that you sprained your ankle when you're coming out for a curtain call on Will and Grace?

By the way, sprained ankle is a real pain in the ass. It is. That's the worst.

You You tripped on Shamata's camera as you were coming out.

Wait, Jake, you don't have to take those roles.

Yeah, you don't have to take those roles. Why don't you just get a nice shit call?

That's what I'm saying. What is the draw? What is the wish? What's the death wish?

I would love to do a sitcom. No one thinks I'm funny. I would love to do a sitcom. I'm the only curious there. Everyone's so serious. This guy's so serious. He takes it all so seriously. He does all this stuff. I would love to do that. I'm doing this because this is what I got, guys.

No No other options. No other options. Nowhere else to go.

No, I just love that. I love the idea.

You're great at it.

Yeah, well, you're so brilliant. You could do anything. You could just plug down.

They came to me about Roadhouse, too, by the way. They didn't want to say anything because we were talking about roles we didn't do. It was different. It was more about eating.

Don't even try Roadhouse, too. If I knew that you would have been in that movie, we would have had you in that movie.

I was up for road kill. But anyway, Jake, this is wonderful that we took up way too much of your You're so sweet to come by.

Very nice to be here. Thank you, buddy.

I'm so excited to be here. I love your show. I am such a huge fan. I obviously adore you all from afar and close up. Likewise. I invite you places you don't come. I've literally invited you now. So if you don't come, then you're the same.

I'm coming with the E-bike option to a touch of my heart. Are you kidding me? I'm fucking stoked.

Jake, you'll come over, I'll make ice cream and we'll Yes, by the way, can we please do that?

I'd love to watch that.

Please, Sean, really.

I would totally love to do that.

Okay. Jake, thank you. I love you, Jake. Thanks, guys.

Love you guys too.

Bye. Bye, pal. Bye. Bye. That was nice to revisit with my old friend.

I love him so much.

She should have been my guest. It's so weird how that always works on our show, right? It's like, oftentimes, the person who knows the guest the best, usually is not The Host. That's right. It's odd how that works.

I don't know. Did you know him, Will, before?

Not really. We've hung out once or twice just briefly, and he's such a nice guy.

But I don't really know him.

I'm just doing this because I like all the different apps.

I knew-It's a computer, Jason. It's not going to work.

Oh, really? It's got to be a phone? Are you on the phone, Will?

No, I'm on my computer.

Wait, what?

It doesn't work.

You didn't update your computer Obviously. But he's- Anyway, so nice.

J. B, I didn't know that you guys knew each other that way.

We hung out for a bit there. We got into that bike riding routine for a while, and then he got a job or I got a job, and we just drifted and never got back on the bike. But he is a very, very normal, normal guy. I think he's gotten younger since I saw him last. I know.

He looks super young. He looks amazing.

Yeah. How old do we think he is.

I would have a good time hanging out with him.

Well, cool it.

He's 43, I'd say.

Is he? Oh, wait, he said that, didn't he?

Yeah, I think he said 43. Yeah.

So he is already that. I think he's 10 years. He is already that young. Our junior.

I mean, can you believe all he's accomplished in 43 years? It's crazy. It's amazing.

He's made so many movies.

Well, when he goes, he just goes like, Yeah, when I did Darny Darko, and you're like, Oh, yeah, Darny Darko, which is a fucking great movie. Yeah, fantastic. To be able to throw out like, Yeah, I remember doing Darny.

That's like, Oh, I remember when I was doing this amazing-We're fucking Zodiac.

Yeah, Zodiac.

Then fucking Night Crawler is incredible.

If you haven't seen it.

What have we done with our lives? We're just sitting here eating cake.

I know.

I'm back at home. I've gone I'm about to get my mom's about to give me shit about the holes in my jeans or something. You know what I mean?

Speaking of going full circle, remember the very beginning of this podcast today? We were talking about Sean's bicep.

We used that one last time. It was two in a row with biceps. Two in a row with biceps.

We did biceps last month. They're not going to order in that row.

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