Hey, God, sorry I didn't see you there. You caught me off guard. I just really miss Sean and Jason right now. Feeling real lonely out here in this cold open on my own. Oh, my God. I promised myself I would cry. Not winning cry, that I would cry, and I can't do it. Gosh, dang it. All right. It's an all new Smartness. Smart. Smart. Smart. Smart. Hi, you all.

Hi, you all.

Good.

Evening. Hi, good evening. I know it's very late. This is a very, very unusual, smartless after dark.

This is Smartness After Dark.

Yeah. I mean, should we take a piece of clothing off, maybe? Oh. Let's see how it goes. I mean, isn't that what usually happens in my house? Everyone's topless after six.

No kidding.

Am I the only one in my pajamas other than the baseball hat?

No, I'm in my pajamas. That doesn't change anything from our daytime.

But, JB, what's the earliest, and all jokes aside, what's the earliest you'll get your jammies?

If I'm not going out at all, I never get out of them. I'll be in it all day.

All day. And you're telling me I smell like juicy, disgusting juice.

Well.

No. Wait, What's the quote?

What does it usually say?

I usually say you smell like dirty, disgusting, juicy juice. What did you just say? Yeah, something like that. No, you usually smell like a chin- chin.

Yeah, that's true. This is true. But I mean, you always make fun of me because... Or what was it? I was wearing the same thing all day long. You're like, And you didn't take another shower?

Yeah.

You take the.

Same thing. But you'll wear the same.

What did you both get into today? Here we are at the end of the day. Do you feel like you used today correctly?

I do.

Or did you just waste a day?

I do. I thought that I'd see you. I attacked the Hill this morning. Took the kids to school, attacked the Hill, didn't call either of you while I was on my journey because I didn't want to get another impression of my breathless phone calls. Were you.

Zipped into your plastic sweatsuit?

I was zipped into it.

Your rubber bag? I'd love it if you actually had one of those.

I've seen one of those since Rocky. It wasn't Rocky jogging in one.

Of those. He jogged. And then did some actor.

Years later. Yes, I was just going to say Lawrence, Martin Lawrence. Martin Lawrence, yeah. Remember that?

He.

Jogged.

Really long enough.

I know that. Then I worked with Chappee this afternoon. We wrote.

For about four hours.

What does that look like, by the way, these writing sessions? Can I guess? You're on a computer with him because he's over there in England, and he just shares his screen with you, and you watch him write.

No. I just get bit...

Hey, Chappie.

Can you tell the camera? Can you tell me typo?

Can you tell me typo?

Two lines up. You forgot the epostrophy right there.

I just got back about an hour ago from having a facial to answer your question. I treated myself. I haven't had one in a long, long, long, long time.

What was his name? No, this is the kind where they pop blackheads and stuff. Okay, I don't know. Okay, I'm.

Trying to.

Fucking-.

You know, my wife's very diligent about making sure that I get in there and get my facial once a year. Are you more frequent than.

That, Sean? Maybe two a year.

When's the last time you had your toes and fingers done?

Years and years.

-no, you've had a manicure or pedicure recently.

No, not for years and years and years.

Will, don't lie. Last Mani-Pedi.

Mani-pedi? I don't know, but I've had two facials in the last six weeks.

-are you serious?

Is that right? Because you had some.

On-camera work, did you? Yeah, but you know what? I haven't had one in at least five years before that.

Okay. This explains a lot.

Yeah, it feels good, though.

Tell you what? I pass out.

Yeah, me too.

Yeah, I do too.

The best. Do you have one of those ugly wake-ups too, when you're still like...

Oh, my God.

I totally do every time.

This is also relatable. I also had a massage recently, and I did a 90-minute massage. It's not that. Everybody gets massages in the world. I don't get them all the time. She left me. It was 90 minutes, and she just kept me face down the full 90, and I was asleep. I didn't know that I had it done like the flipover. I fully did a like this, woke up, and then my face had been the doughnut facing down for 90 minutes. I look like I'd just been kicked in.

The face repeatedly. Our friend, Justin Thoreau, when he gets a massage for some weird reason, he likes to watch World War II documentaries. What are you talking about? That's not a bit. That's all he does when he gets a massage. So he'll put his face in the doughnut and he'll put his phone down on the floor, and he'll just watch tanks and flamethrowers and all kinds of carnage.

Where's the relaxing part?

You tell me. I don't know if this is a guy that flies transcontinental topless. I try to figure him out.

Does he really?

Yeah, he does. When he falls asleep on a plane, he can't sleep without a shirt on. With his shirt on, he can't sleep. So if he's sleeping on a plane or wherever he's sleeping, he's got to take his shirt off.

That's just as gross as somebody putting their bare feet on the seat behind you on a plane.

J. B, you just hit the main vein of J. B.

's disgust. What would be worse? Walking around a hotel room without socks or shoes on, or walking down the alleyway of a plane.

With a- Yeah, I'd say a plane.

-a plane, for sure.

Which is a tight second.

Because you know they don't clean their shoes.

It's a cursory clean. They just go, okay, we're good.

But they start you out in horror by when you go through the radar thing, you take your shoes off, and you got to put your socks there on the little foot outline thing where all the hot socks have been from people all over the world. And your hot, sweaty feet have to go in exactly the same spot. Their hot, sweaty feet just left. Oh, it's a fucking disaster.

That's a great title for.

Something, hot socks. You know what? This is so good to hear you working off your long term memory of what it's like going.

Through an airport. I always try to straddle those little pain out things, and I'd step on the inside or the outside and be like, no, inside the line, sir.

Yeah, you got to be inside. It's like a fucking murder, chalk outline, okay? You got to be right inside.

I know I try to straddle it, and then they.

Get mad at you. And then I got to put them back in. I put those hot socks back in my shoes. Now the shoes are ruined.

Why are the shoes ruined? What are you eating out of your shoes? Because the.

Hot, wet- You're transferring the germs.

Yeah, and now they're dead to me.

Jason, you know what you're going to hate? What is it? The rest of the world. Yeah. The rest of the world.

This is what you get at seven o'clock at night. I know true.

Well, you know what the else you get.

At 7:00 a.

M. Too. I tell you what else you get at 7:00 p. M. You get yourself a heck of a guest.

There we go. Oh, shit, Will's taking a sip.

Before he's in trouble. I take a sip to make sure that I'm queued up. You know what I mean? That I'm all...

I've got a nice, moist. This guest better be fucking great, Arnad.

You know this guest.

Fucking 7:20 at night.

Okay, well, let me ask you this. How is a guest who's won a Writers Guild of America award or a Grammy award. That'll work. That's a good start.

Is this an E-God?

An Independent Spirit award. Holy shit. A BAFTA, an.

Academy award. I apologize for my tone.

Our tonight's guest has won all those things. Okay, so maybe you want to hold your 7:00 PM anger.

Back a little bit. That was Sean. That was Sean.

Wait, sorry. Are they a Tony, Shay, and E. God?

You know what? He is. He is a Tony and an Emmy, Shay, and E. God. He's been nominated for the Emmy. I don't know if he, a few times, I don't know if he's been nominated for Tony, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Maybe he'll get a Webe for.

This guest. He might get a Webe. This guy does it all. He's a writer. He's a director. He's a really funny performer, which I think people know because he's in a bunch of stuff that he directs. But I find him to be one of the funniest dudes that I know. He makes me laugh consistently, even though he does some really serious stuff as well. We don't worry about what he does in the shadows. We're just worried about what he did with Jojo Rabbit.

Oh, tyka. It's tyka, Y-T-T. This is fully excuse. Fully excused.

Worth the wait.

Oh, tyka. Well done, Will.

You're.

Very good.

I mean, you're off the Schneid. Very good. I had the whole computer screen covered with this flap of paper that you told me to get.

They told me to get. How does it feel now.

That it's gone? This is the first reveal of you guys, too. Wow, I love.

The.

Mustache. What do you think?

It's fantastic.

Thanks.

Buddy. Are we prepping for a roll this whole time? The strike was on.

I've been prepping.

Wait, didn't you guys just work together? Didn't that movie come out? I think.

They worked.

Together a couple of times. Well, I didn't mention it, but we do have a thank you, Sean, for the promotion because Tyca and -Great to see you, Sean. Virtlight will love this. Tyca's next film, Next Goal Wins, is about to be released.

I can't wait.

To see it. Maybe at the time of this it is released, and it's a great movie, and it was made even better by some of the casting.

The trailer looks incredible. It does. I can't wait to see it.

Tyca. Looks hysterical. You said we just had done a movie together. I completely forgot that. I know. I shot this movie so long ago, and it's.

Been so long ago.

A memorable performance, Willy. I know, I can't think of anything I remember.

By the way, you said-It's all that shit on the edge of your own floor.

The good stuff.

Remind yourself. We also did Our Flag Means Death right around that same time together, which is a series about pirates.

It is. Right. So just looking at the scoreboard, that's two for Will, zero for Sean, zero for Jason. Yeah. Don't worry.

Listen, maybe when you work with Tyke, he won't remember you having done it either.

That'll be exciting. Jason, I've actually forgot to email you back about that other thing.

When I said I couldn't do the soccer movie, give it to Will?

No, you sent me something.

I wish. Did I send you something to look at? Maybe?

Yes? Don't be like that. You know you sent me something.

I don't remember things at all. Hey- Where are you? Are you down?

I just landed in L. A. This is why it's late, and I appreciate you guys doing this hour. Oh, we appreciate you having me. I just went through that airport experience, and I'm exactly like you, Jason. I can't stand it.

Do you still have the dirty socks on right now? Yeah.

Get them off. Straight from the airport. I don't want...

Go wait.

Go burn them. I'd touch them. Wait, go burn them. I curl my feet outwards when you're standing the edge.

Put the pressure on the outside.

Hoping to have less surface area touching the ground?

Yeah. Will, at what point in the interview can we talk about Jojo Rabbit? Do you have a plan for this? Do you have.

A bunch of questions? -well, let's talk about it. No, no. We never have a plan. Let's talk about airports. So we can talk about airports. Let's talk about Jojo Rabbit because if people haven't seen Jojo Rabbit, I urge you to fucking see it.

It's unbelievable. Oh, sorry. I thought.

That's where you're going. It's the film that earned Tyca his Academy Award. This movie. From the best adapted screenplay and film in which you play Hitler.

It's so funny.

And take it easy, everybody. He's Jewish.

Take it easy. I should have put that on the poster. Don't worry.

He's Jewish. Take it easy, he should have been on the fucking poster.

But folks, if you haven't seen it, don't be an idiot and wait longer.

Get out there and help yourself. What was it? Two years? Three years. Two years ago?

It's so good. It's so good. 2018, 2019, actually.

Actually, walk us through that a little bit. I'm curious because you adapted that from a book. How did that go down that you were like, Oh, man, this has to be a movie. What was that process like for you?

My mother read this book called Caging Skies, and she pitched it to me. She said, You should make this into a movie. And the way she pitched the story to me I found so funny, and I thought, This is fantastic. And then I read the book and it was the least funny book I read in a long time. And there was no imaginary Hitler or any of that stuff. But the way that she described what was going on in this world, I thought that I'll go with her pitch. Anyway, and I added just those other elements to it like Hitler.

And-so what was it? It was a kid going to a Hitler, youth camp type.

Of-yeah, it was about a Hitler. A little kid who wanted to be the best Nazi in the world. It's very typical right now. And then he gets home one day and he finds that his mother's hiding a girl in their attic, a Jewish girl in their attic, and he has an absolute meltdown. He has no idea what to do about this thing, which he imagined as he's been taught that they're monsters with horns and devil tales and.

Stuff like that. I mean, for people who haven't seen it, it's just so goddamn good. And the plane lands at the end of this thing in a way that is so exciting and elegant and fun. I don't know how you threaded that needle totally all the way through the film, and then an even narrower one at the end and just thrilled it.

Thanks. It's true. And my question was, so you did play Hitler. Were you always going to play that part? Were you like, I got to do this, or did that? How did that.?

No, I never imagined. I mean, look, I'm brown and too good looking, some would say.

You're.

Very good looking. You're very. But we did put it out to a lot of actors, and I don't even think they got to see the script. I think their agents immediately said, That's a hard pass on this one. This is an easy pass. And I went and made a few other movies. I thought, Well, no one's going to make this. It'll be one of those Blacklist scripts that never gets off the Blacklist. And then Searchlight, who made this soccer film with us, they said to me, We really want to make this film, but only if you play Hitler.

See, these guys consistently through multiple administrations have been one of the most courageous, tasteful companies in all of entertainment. I can't imagine a bunch of other companies that would have said yes. What was the pitch process like when you went in there about-.

He know exactly what.

It was like. Well, but did you have your agent soften the ground a little bit and say he's going to pitch you a Hitler film, but it's not what you... I mean, was there.

Any warning at all? I went in and I went through multiple studios and started with, okay, it's about a kid growing up in World War II who's in the Hitler youth, and then their eyes would glaze over. You see them fidget comfortably in their seat, and I would just trail off from there because you just know instantly that it's not for them.

But from jump, though, the way that you play and introduce Hitler is just like, Oh, I'm in. We're in great hands. The tonally this is going... They're not going to ask me to fall in love with Hitler. They're not going to... I think it was helpful that you didn't look terribly like the classic Hitler.

Also, I think what helped was not having a big star played that role as it would have overshadowed everything else. The whole story itself would have been the, go see the Tom Cruise Hitler movie.

Right. So Tom Cruise passed on it. Well, we have some news. It was just so great.

It's so good. And so you do that. I mean, this is like, it's such a... Yeah, as Jason said, I mean, it's... And it sounds like very highbrow, and it is, but at the same time, it's very accessible. And it's just so, I don't know, there's something really... And it's playful, and it's real, and there's a lot going on, and it really hits you in so many different ways. And I like a film like that where you can't describe.

It as-It's not really a comedy. It's not really a drama. It trades that little path in between the things. And I needed to make it... We've all seen great Holocaust films, Schindler's List, and so on. And I don't think I could have made one of those very serious films. And we've seen so many of them. And I think if you want to get a message across or talk about something heavy like that, you've got to find different ways of telling that story. And one way, which I think is the most important way of telling stories like that, is using humor.

But you never asked for a laugh. You were simply just in this wonderful kid's perspective, and that just allowed you so much latitude.

I think also with Hitler, it wasn't really Hitler. It was an imaginary Hitler from the mind of an eleven-year-old boy. So you could only know what an eleven-year-old knows. Right. That's why he's a buffoon and an idiot.

Yeah, it's great. I love when Jews tackle that topic. It's just beautiful. Mel Brooks, always. You, Spielberg, just I love the dichotomy of them telling the story from their artistic.

Point of view. You don't want to see a Hitler movie from me?

No, not at all. Not with a mustache like that.

Okay. He never got this one.

And we will be right back.

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Hey, let me ask you this. You touched on it, Tyke, and it's one of the... I think that one of the things I said in my rough intro, but you are such a super hilarious dude just as a person. And I think that one of your superpowers is using... You always find a way to make everything you do fun and funny. By the way, Even Our Flag Means Death, which is a love story between these two guys. It's a pirate show, but it's really a comedy. But it's more of a comedy, probably, than a lot of your other stuff. But you always have such great elements of humor, and I know that you use it in your real life, too. It's one of the things that I'm drawn to other people who can have a sense of humor about A, themselves, and B, that no matter how serious the subject is, that there's always a way to access it through humor to undercut it. And how important is that to you when you're thinking about making stuff? Because you don't get really too earnest, really.

No. Well, coming from New Zealand. We have a very sensitive cheese meter, earnest meter. When we see something, we feel like it's a bit cringey. We try and avoid doing it. And I think all the best I've ever seen have just had that real mix of light and dark. And that's what life is every day. It's full of tragedy and comedy. And that's why I like my films and the things I do just to have a mix of both.

Those things. What were some of those growing up that you loved? One of your favorite movies that were inspirations?

Well, growing up, the things I love are really young, Blackadda, and British TV comedies like Faulty Towers and things like that. Salty is one of my favorite. Which were real straight comedies, but they did it really efficiently and really well. I think Strange Love is one of the best comedies that's been made. I love.

The Graduate. One of the best comedies I've ever seen is part of The Concords, which you were a part of. And I thought when that came out, I was like, Well, my life has changed. That's the funniest show I've ever.

Seen in my life. Yeah, Jermaine and Brett are fantastic. And Jermaine, I write with Still and make stuff with him a lot now. Time Bandits were turning that into a TV show.

Oh, you are?

That's awesome. Still do a lot of writing together, and he's still, I think, the best.

Writer of all time. I wanted to know, how did you and Jermaine and Brett come to know each other.

What was that like? We met in university, and Jermaine and I, we were auditioning for a university interview comedy show thing, and we saw each other in the library, and I think instantly took a disliking to each other, just the best of the way we looked. And then it took about two or three months before we started to get on. And then we've been best mates ever since.

Fuck. With all of your success, and artistic accolades, and all that stuff, you now, I'm sure, can... A pitch like Jojo Rabbit would not be quite as difficult because people trust you. How did you find... When you started your career, you had that sense of humor that was in the cheese meter. In other words, you wouldn't go to the extremes to make an audience feel super comfortable, hold anybody's hand. This country, Hollywood, a lot of the people in charge will ask you to do. They won't really give you the latitude to keep the edges of that. How did you get through that period and not just hit, Fuck it. These people don't get what I've got.

I did think that all the time, and I still do. It's so funny here. You have to explain everything. Everything that gets made, everything is explained.

If you want to just say, Trust me. Just let me show you some footage. But they.

Never let you get there. But even to the audience, you have to explain everything throughout the story, every beat of the way. So there are no surprises, there are no trusting the filmmaker to deliver the story in their own way. But I'd make a film in New Zealand, I'd come here and showed it to Sundance or something and no one would see it. And then studios would say, Do you want to do this film? And it'd be some, I'm not going to say horrible, but it's like a wrong com or something that wasn't really up my alley. And then I'd think, Nah, I'll go back to New Zealand and make another thing. And I just kept doing that about four or five times until finally I did. And then what we did in The Shadows was really the one that I think had more attraction in the States, even though it was still a small.

Cultish film. But was that HBO?

No, that was a film, and then we turned that into a show. Then Marvel asked me to come in and pitch on Thor.

Yeah, well, you did Hunt for the Wilder People in between that?

Yeah, hunt for the Wilder People and that... I don't know how these films did, actually. I don't really remember.

Are you getting checks? You're getting a lot of checks in the mail.

I.

Was going to say, so then you do that stuff. It's funny. We were working, Flagby and Stath, and Tyke goes, We have worked together before. At this point, he had made- What was that? -two or three films in New Zealand. He was a legitimate filmmaker. Like he said, you had opened at Sundance at least twice, I think, and whatever. And he'd done this video. I think Sean's in it too, isn't he? Is Sean in it? Maybe not. We did for an upfront like a-.

It was for the Super Bowl.

Super Bowl for- -NBC.

It was for the NBA, and it went through all the shows on BBC, and it was the Brotherhood of Man, the song from the musical. And then it cut to all the different shows.

From How to succeed.

And they did a verse or a couple of lines from the show.

And they cut to me and Maya and Christina, Apple and Maya Rudolph and me. And tuck, he goes, We have worked together. And he showed me that.

That's so wild. By the way, who else was in that? Donald Trump. Is he really? I directed... I directed Trumpy.

Really? Wow. Did you have a set of specifications that you have.

To-yeah, there was a list. There was a piece of paper with a list of demands.

Right, the way that he likes to be lit? The height of the camera?

Height of the camera, exactly. It had to be a certain height to make him look a little thinner. And yet there's almost, I think it had whatever the pantone of Orange was that he had to appear as on-screen. And it was like a makeup person who was also his ego booster. So she would touch him up and say, Oh, Mr. Trump. Oh, Mr.

Trump.

Wait, was I in that? Were you in that? I don't know. Maybe.

I don't know if.

You were in the...

They're.

Doing the reboot. I don't know if you were in the promo. But I was like, But it's sofunny. So here's Tyca. It's not like he discovered talent late in his life like he had it.

But he's.

Coming to America and they're offering him romcubs. He's like, No. And he'll make a couple of bucks doing some video shit for people for the Super Bowl. And then he fucks off back to New Zealand to make his Indies and do what he wants.

Yeah, that's pretty cool. What made you think that Marvel is so incredible at doing their thing? They've got a product that is just incredible. It has made this industry twice as healthy as it's ever been. But I think one should and does and needs to adhere to a certain-.

The.

Parameters. -parameters because that audience expects certain boxes to be checked. What made you think that your incredibly unique perspective on things would be a fit for something that you would probably agree needs to stay inside a certain boundary?

Jason, that's a wonderful question.

Thank you. I had a really close-to-zero think. It was a wonderful question. Thank you. I'm glad you asked that. Thank you. Will, did.

You hear all that? I didn't know I said it's a wonderful... Yeah, a.

Lot of.

Compliments on that question. I'm still basking in the glow of the question, to be honest.

I'm still reeling from that question. I thought I'd get such a.

Hard hitting. It's so late, too, to be so articulate.

I have another one.

Oh, God. I didn't even answer that question.

To watch you suck Marvel's dick for so long was a real treat.

I took it all. Did you see me take it all?

You did.

Take it all. Yeah, right down to the pubes. Let's get the answer now.

Okay.

Oh, my God. Jason watches gay porn in the free time.

Fuck.

What happened to me? You know what? I had no interest in doing one of those films. It wasn't my whole plan of my careers, nor to. But I was poor and I just had a second child. And I thought, you know what? This would be a great opportunity to feed.

These children. Or do what my dad did. Go ahead, continue.

I'm still doing my answer. Sorry. No, no.

Hang.

On. Okay, so then they called and they said, Do you want to do this? And Thor was, let's face it, it was probably the least popular franchise. I had never read Thor, comics when I was a kid. That was the comic I picked up and thought, Oh, it was never that open. And then I did some research on it, and I read one.

A full one. Yeah.

-comic. Yeah. 18 pages long. I was still baffled by this character. And I thought, Well, is there anything I can bring to this.

Let's be honest. When it comes to comics, Red is a stretch. Okay, go ahead. Sorry. I flipped through.

That went, yeah, that's enough. And then pitched myself. I thought the only thing that I could bring is a character. It's like just looking at Thor as a character. And he's like a billionaire, lives in space, and he looks ridiculous. And that was the end. I was like, Well, let's just highlight that. He's like a rich kid who... And I pitched that he's a bit like you and me, Jason, that he hates germs. Right.

That didn't scare the shit out of them?

I think there was no place left to go with that thing.

-ever in the past.

-right. I felt like I thought, Well, they called me and this was really the bottom of the barrel.

But Feigey has taken nice swings on-He has taken great swings. -starting with Favro, and then, and Kenneth Brana, and Chloe Zau, and-.

Yeah, the Routes.

The Routes. I guess it has been directors that have been outside of the box.

But- But they know what they're good at, right? They're good at keeping everyone in their lane and making sure they don't veer off into something else that doesn't feel Marvel. So they bring people into a good story and making great characters and bringing something unique, and then they'll keep it within the Marvel.

Right. And you obviously had a great experience because you went back for one.

Yeah, I went back.

But it is true. I remember we have friends of ours who are doing another one of these, I won't name it, but it's a series of movies that takes place in space. They went off a little bit, I think, veered a little bit off the plan and ended up not working out because they had too many ideas that were outside.

That wasn't Marvel, though.

No, I didn't say it was Marvel. I said it's a different thing. But it was outside of the playbook a little bit. It made them nervous because they got a lot at stake. I get it's their property and they got a lot at stake. So when they hired you, though, Tyca, I mean, again.

Knowing you- The fans hated it, by the way. They hated that I was.

Doing this. They hated Thor?

No, the fact that I was- Oh, really? -when I signed off for their first one. They're like.

Who's this guy? He's going to do anything. No, but they fucking end up loving it. My kids who are big Marvel fans like my son Abel, still to this day, when I told him that you were on the show tonight, he was like, Wait, he's on the show tonight? Because he loves fucking Thor so much.

Yeah, but he's an idiot, though.

No, he's not an idiot. He's a funny fucking kid. He's not a.

Dullard like you. Archie gets him a compliment.

Wait, take a- You get a.

Compliment out of Archie, you got to say?

When you hear.

That about- This is the seven o'clock vision.

Yeah, we're getting grouchy. Bateman's 45 minutes past gummy hour, and.

He's not.

Starting to shake. He's got the fight and it's not pleasant. Amanda won't let him in. Amanda's going to text him and say, You take that gummy, and 15 minutes later you can come in the house.

She leaves it on the front step.

Out on top of the mailbox.

With the key, next to the key. I take a- Just.

Paces outside and waiting for it to kick in and then it's just a scratch on the door. It's not a bang at the door.

And she's.

Looking at her watch. She's like, 29, 28, 27. I'd take a when you hear that that fans, like you said were- It.

Made me happy.

Okay, next question.

Almost in a legitimate spin.

And then I have to ask about Mandalorian because I'm a massive, massive, massive, massive fan of that series. And so Scottie, my husband. And how did you get Mandalorian? By the way, you voiced the droid, right? Yeah. Ig-11?

I do it all. Sir John, Sir Fabro-.

What did he voice, Sean?

The droid.

The droid, IG-11. Sorry, what's the.

Serial number on the I-G? I-g-11? I-g-11. Make sure to have that on the top of your head. Yeah. Fucking...

This is how you landed, Scotty. I always wondered.

Yeah, and.

You and I, G11. Your headstone when you die, your gravestone is just going to be blank. Just going to be nothing. Not even a date.

No, it'll say sorry. It'll say, It's nothing. I apologize.

He had fucking nothing.

So John said...

Anyways, the IG-11.

People walk like, Oh, that's Sean.

Well, yeah, IG-11, who Sean will know, is based on IG-88.

That's correct.

Wow.

Which is something I found out when I.

Did The Mandalore. Did that floor you as much as it's flooring me?

Wait, you're about to say Favro picked you up and said...

He picked me up. He picked me up. I was standing on the corner, he picked me up and said, Hey kid, come and do an episode of Mandalay. And I went down, this is the first time I'd used that volume thing with the TV screens all in a big circle. We shot most of the show on that. And he said, Come and do this thing. And it was great because I didn't have to write it and do anything. Just turn up and direct. And it was awesome. And he was there to help. And the first day I was directing 75 Stormtroopers. Wow. Standing a big giant Stormtrooper battle. That's so cool. That's just fucking incredible.

-it is cool. By the way, it's good that you had a guy like Favro. He's a friend of the show and we like.

Him a lot. I love that guy.

I love that. John Favro. Yeah, same here. -no, me too. -i'm sure he was fucking helpful as shit because he's a cool dude.

Yeah. Tyca. Why did you just fly into L. A. And where were you?

I went to Scotland. Because? And I was hanging out in Scotland.

Just hanging out?

Airbnb had these special little pop-up places you can stay. And I don't know if you've heard about this, but they made Shrex Swamp with Shrex House, a full replica of Shrex tree and the house, the inside it. Everything is exactly like the bed, the table. And Rita is your wife, Rita.

-shan, my wife. Yeah, amazing.

-my ex-girlfriend. So she booked us in, and we went straight to Shrex. Hold on. And then we drove around Scotland and stuff and we dressed up. She bought costumes. Oh, wow. Kinky, right? We dressed up as Shrex and Princess Fiona, and she did some photos and a video.

Well, there goes the what are you doing your free time question?

Wait a second.

Jason, the disgust of Jason's face.

I know, Jason.

Can I have 20 minutes of the interview real quick? Yes, go ahead. All right, so you were dating her. Rita, Laura. She's an.

Incredible singer-songwriter.

Now we're married. And now you're married. Did you know that she was such a fan of Shreq before you put a ring on her finger?

No, I did.

Not know that. Okay, so she's a big Shreq fan such that you went ahead and bought yourself a couple of first class tickets all the way over to Scotland, and you stayed in a little grass.

Hut or something? Yeah, that was just part of the trip. That was just one.

Fun thing we got to do. You guys sound like... That's fun, I guess.

And then we drove around Scotland and we went and hung out in the castle.

That's so nice.

That's pretty cool. I guess that's pretty cool. Now Sean, don't lie, if they had a place like this Airbnb that was Star Wars themed? Would you take Scottie for his birthday surprise?

Yeah, without a doubt.

Would you fly all the way to Scotland for it? Do you love him that much?

Probably not. Would you go to space for it? Absolutely. If it existed in space, you would.

Well, space is fascinating.

Would you like to go to space, Sean?

Absolutely, don't you? Would you?

No, honestly, no. Absolutely. Now, I played golf today with Michael Strayhand, who told me that he went up into that Jeff Bezos rocket thing. Yeah, that's what I would do. You would do that? Absolutely. Now, just.

I- Takeda, would you go to space?

Yeah, I'd go to space. For how long?

Oh, great question.

Just a.

Couple of minutes.

I mean, what.

We- That's just a couple of minutes. That Bezos thing is a.

Couple of minutes. I just don't want to do anything that when I land the the euphoria as relief because I got away with something. I feel like I shouldn't be doing things that I get away with anymore.

Well, that's how we feel about our careers.

Yeah, that's true.

Jason is like one of those dogs. They have those collars and they set up the perimeter. And the perimeter is the golf club at his house. Okay. If he goes any further, he fucking shocks him and it keeps him safe.

But, Jay, it's a once-in-a-lifetime thing that you could just experience the view of space and the weightlessness, and you can't ever-.

Oh, he's love the weightlessness, Jay. Come on. That's true.

No, but you know what? You know what? You end up getting very bloated up there. Do you think so? Yeah, I know so. You've seen those shots of the astronauts.

Your takeaway from the astronauts from talking to people in space is they look bloated, man.

A little too bloated. A little too bloated. And the hair all stands up. I'm kidding. I lean into all this stuff. I don't care about the germs. Scotland sounds great with the Shrex thing, and let's just get a parachute on me and get a plane going. This is all for bits.

I would love it would be great. I was just now thinking about Scotland. I was thinking about JB in medieval times when people were ripping legs off of chickens and stuff at the meal and just biting into it.

You're not going to wash those hands?

And just being in those damp castle with nobody's had an invented socks.

Really yet. Or plumbing. No plumbing, no bath.

Toilet paper.

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I want to know, speaking of all these little things, Tyca, what's it like? We don't know each other that well. We met once, and it was such a highlight of my life meeting you. I'm such a huge fan. I've seen all your movies. I love Jojo Rabbit. I've seen it like three times.

And... Tyca has no recollection.

No, of course not. I remember I almost put your jacket on. Do you remember that? I remember that.

It was a great night. It was a highlight for me as well.

Okay, so the little bit I know of you seem completely relaxed, low, chill, normal, down to earth.

What do you do? He just mentioned he's married, by the way, so just fucking cool it.

What do you do when you meet a personality that's totally opposite of yours that you have to work with? You're like, Oh, my God. This guy or this girl is way too much for me. They're not on my level. How do you deal with that?

I'd just say I just bitch about them later.

You send all your notes in through the first AD?

Yeah, and then I go home and this son of a bitch. Who believe this guy. We all do that. Yeah. I mean, actors in particular, just fucking hard work. We're all nuts. They're just fucking in the ass.

So true.

And then each act has got a different way of working that you got to find out because they won't tell you and you got to figure it out by watching them. And you're like, Oh, you're one of them. Oh, you're one of them. And then there's always the other ones that are like, Oh, let's do an intro take. Oh, God. That's not them.

They take a one for me now, right? One for me?

Yeah, and those guys who talk about this.

A lot. Crew loves that.

They go, Let's do an intro take. I'm like, Fuck.

All right. Are you at the point, though, in your career where you're just like, I'm going to hand-pick the people I want, the actors, the producers, the.

Other people. Yeah, and usually it's just people you trust.

And you frame. But what were you going to say, Zegas?

About improvising. You fucking roll the camera and then a lot of actors' idea of improvising or ad-libbing is just say, the first thing that comes into your head doesn't have to help the scene at all or anything. They go, action, like a cool wall. Fantastic. Well done. Right. That was the one for you. Let's move on. All right. Or it's just a list of jokes they 100 % wrote the night before.

Right. Ian Morris texted me out of the blue today, just so I can get a mention on Ian, who co-wrote Next Goal Wins, is our mutual friend.

Sorry. It's about soccer, yeah? And, Willy, what do you play in the film?

Nothing. Tika asked me last minute to come in and just do a couple of days to help out. It's a small little role, but.

He makes a huge difference. The film is about the worst, it's a true story, about the worst soccer team in the world, which was the American Samoan soccer team. And in the history of the country, they'd never won a game or scored a goal. And I think in 2001 or something, they suffered the biggest international loss, which is still the record today, which was against Australia, and they lost 31-0. Jesus. Let's figure that out. What is that? A goal every three minutes?

Yeah. Was anybody in the goal? Was there a goaltender?

There was a guy in the goal. I think he was quite traumatized by that.

And they lost to the socceroos, who is not the best soccer team in the world.

But - But then they got this coach in, Thomas Wrongan. I think he might have been the only person who responded to the request. He came into the island and got them into shape, and then they ended up, spoiler, they scored a goal.

Yeah. And it was a big- It was a mess too. And that person, the guy playing that part is Michael Fassbender, who is a fantastic dude.

That man is gifted.

That's amazing. Brilliant actor. And it was funny because he's done so many serious, really heavy. He's got a new serious movie coming out next soon as well.

He's someone you can improve us.

He's very good. He's a smart dude.

He's so good in The Killer 2, the Fincher film. It was fantastic.

I want to see that.

I want to see that too. But anyway, and so you have Fassbender in there in a very comedic role.

Yeah.

Right? And I.

Didn't think it would be that his role would become his comedo. I thought that everyone else around him would provide the comedy, but he kept delivering and just gave him more things to do.

Yeah.

Was it twisting arms to get him in that film? Because he's much more interested in racing cars right now. He's a race.

Car drove. Yeah. Yeah. He was doing that when I called him up. He was-.

You had to fit it in between races?

Yeah. He said, Well, I'm thinking about taking the year off and just racing. He's legit. He's legit. And I said, Well, it's in Hawaii. And he said, I'll be there.

He's got this love. Fastpener's got one of those... The more you ask him about what's going on in his life, the cooler it is. And he's like, Yeah, man, wow. I'm racing this type of BMW, and then I race this thing, and then where's that? Well, we're in Portugal, and then we drove up to fucking Belgium to do that thing. And you're like, What life is this? This is a fucking life.

This is real Steve McQuinn.

Yeah, it's a real Steve McQueen.

It's likeCool. He just channeled that whole life. He's stolen that whole life. He raced Le Monde.

Last year.

Yeah, fucking A. Tyca, how much time do you spend in New Zealand versus the States?

Depending on what tax department is after, it changes. It changes, of course. It changes, of course. There are certain number of days I can stay in each place.

Right. And you do the right one for each one of those, for sure.

Yeah. I have about 14 days left this year, in the States.

Are you.

Being serious? Wow. Come on, really?

I'm serious.

That's. I'm going to get out of here. Yeah.

But I try and spend a lot of time in New Zealand because my kids are there, and I'm trying to try and come here because I want to see Will.

Are they going to love this movie? Are they soccer fans?

No, they don't care about soccer. New Zealand is not a soccer country, really.

No, it's.

Rugby, right? It's rugby. It's all rugby.

Are you a.

Rugby fan? I'm a massive rugby fan. Really? We just went to the World Cup Games. I just saw that. We just won the World Cup and I watched that.

How did they do?

We got to the final and then we lost. Barely lost. To South Africa.

To South Africa. You guys are the two powerhouses, right? Yeah.

Well, hang on. The Springbox, South Africa, barely beat England, let's be honest. They were charmed this tournament. Yeah. And New Zealand had a really good chance to win.

We had a good chance. It's always close between those teams.

Did you ever play rugby as a kid?

I played rugby up until my late 20s.

It really hurts, doesn't it? There's no patting.

It hurts still. I get up in the morning and sometimes an ankle won't work or a knee won't work. Well, there's little injuries you get in your 20s, and you bounce back really fast, and now it's tucked on your body, then your body just punishes you later.

Some people say that it's safer to tackle in that sport because there's no helmets. You're actually a little bit more careful. You don't.

Tackle with your head. Over here, they just dive through the air with their head first, trying to stab people with their bodies.

Well, when the CTE stories were all about in the last five, ten years or something like that. There was a thought that maybe NFL would think about removing the helmets. Really? Yes, so that people would stop using their head as part of the tackle. And all the other paths would still be on. You just have to learn how to just tackle differently like the folks that play rugby.

Yeah, you just tackle and move your head out of the way.

Are they really less in rugby? The CTE injuries?

Well, it seems like they have.

Less- Less concussions.

-concussions.

Wow.

That's amazing. Because you don't have that false sense of.

-safety and security. -safety and security. -safety and security. -yeah, you protect yourself. Don't make sure your head doesn't bang into anything.

That's interesting.

All.

Right. So, Tyca, hi. What about like when you're.

Directing something- Look, each time you talk to me, you say hi. Because this might be usable for the first part of the interview.

Sure, forget, we're not doing any of this.

We might.

Cut it. We haven't started yet.

We haven't started yet.

Today's guest is Tyca Wattiti. Tyca, welcome.

Hey, Tyca, I have a question about your process. When you are directing something, is there an itch to be in it always? Are you like, Oh, God, I'm so glad I'm not in this.

No, I really love being in it. I love acting. I think it's fun, but only if it's something that I find fun and I've got control over that.

Do you like the process of directing yourself? The fact that you.

Don't have to? Yeah, I like it because it's easier for me to direct people in the scene as well. I can just talk straight to them while I'm doing the lines.

I'm just like, Do that again. Do that again.

What if you have an actor that's not very pliable with all of that? They get upset that you're talking to them in the middle of the scene that they want you to wait till after cut.

You ever had one of those? I've been pretty lucky I haven't worked with people like that. Maybe one or two, but I just tend to...

Ignore it.

I tend to cut them out of the cool group and then just ignore them and then they're left out and then they either quit or...

Just alienate and bully them on set until.

They quit. I mean, film sets are like high school.

Do you have siblings that have cool names like you too?

Yeah, most people have got cool names. My kids have got really cool names. My first daughter, her first name is De Kainu Otahenikau, which means, House or Home of the Shehawk.

Wow.

Yeah. And my second daughter, Matewa, the literal translation is, Time of the Dead.

Wow. Wow.

That's awesome. Be careful what you name your kids.

That's cool. Do you know that Sean means, I like macarone?

Yeah. Not a lot of people know that.

Not a lot of people know that, but.

You could say- I like macarone.

Only if you spell it S-E-A-N. You spell it S-H-A-W-N, and we'll tell them what that means.

That's Jason's improv.

I like set ups. I don't like punchlines.

And you say the other part. You say the.

Other part. I'm going to take and action. You've got a poem you wrote about this situation.

About this war.

Exactly. Tell them what you wrote.

You've got a poem you wrote, and then point at the person.

We did this fucking stupid bit for a long time. Tyke and I were doing texting each other, and we were doing a flagmeans death. There was this scene where Reece has to walk away. I said something to his character, and then Tyke comes up behind me and goes, Don't let him go. Let him go, man. Or something like this. But he said it in this like we were laughing because he was doing it on purpose to sound like it was like an after-school special. He grabbed my arm and just let him go, man.

Just let him go, Johnny. We'll get him.

Next year.

We started laughing so fucking hard. He was like, What are you guys laughing about? He kept going, Don't worry about it, Johnny. They were never like us. We were always outsiders, Johnny. The fucking director was like, You guys got to fucking cool it, man. Then we would text each other these stupid things. It's fun stuff, you know what.

I mean? Yeah, it sounds like a good time.

It does sound like a good-.

It's not funny anymore, Johnny.

People got hurt.

We killed a kid, Johnny.

It's.

Not a game anymore.

People are.

Getting hurt.

Fuck me. That gets me every time.

Psyka. Listen, this has been a pleasure. It's eight-that's after eight o'clock.

After eight o'clock, everyone's pissed off. You just.

Got off a fucking plane.

No one wanted to do this at this hour.

Are you kidding me? This is so weird.

Once I saw you, it was all on.

Sean, it's 30 minutes past the ice cream Sunday, right? How far are we past?

You're joking, but that's exactly what I'm going to do right now.

I'll take a photo for you. I'm not joking. What are you going to have?

What are you having? What are.

You going to have? I just put vanilla, ice cream, chocolate, syrup, and whipped cream, and I do a whole thing of Haagen-Dazs. No cherry. Because you start doing two scoops, and you're like, well, there's only two scoops left. I might as well just finish that.

You do the whole pint.

Every single time.

Let's see the proof of that. Go ahead, stand up. Shake the cookie pouch. Here it comes. There it is.

Good for you. Hey, you know what I'd say? You're enjoying life.

Yeah, good for you. You're exactly right. We're only have five minutes.

Tyke, you're a fucking superstar, dude. Love you, dude. I love you guys.

Thank you so much, man. Thanks for doing this.

Right after the plane. Yeah, exactly. Thanks for doing right.

After the plane. You asked me if I'd do this about about three years ago. I know.

I'm really happy. I know you did.

Listen, for the record, thanks for doing it. I would have recorded this with you at 9:00 PM. 10:10.

I could.

Do.

Better. Well, thank you for eventually doing it. I appreciate it. And I'll see you next week.

Thank you, Tyca.

See you next week. Thanks, guys.

Bye, Tyca. All right. Thanks, pal.

Well, you pulled it out of your hat there, Willy.

I know.

That was fantastic. Wait, now, hang on a second. That was our first official yawn. I think we've ever had in.

Over a hundred- No, you had one during the show that was quiet.

It was quiet, yeah, but I hide it behind the microphone so the guest doesn't see it or my co-host don't see it. But we heard that one, and so that's an evening record right there with the yawn.

Well.

It's- Put it this way. And there's a Belch. Good. Thank you, Sean.

It's eleven minutes after 8:00, and I'll be asleep by 9:15.

Yeah, I know.

Yeah, I'll be.

Asleep by 9:15. What are you going to do right now till you're going to bed?

Right now, I'm going to go up. I got the little kids, make sure that they're down, going to sleep.

Okay.

I'm going to go in there and see what's going on on MSNBC. Wonderful.

You're going to have a Sunday.

I'm going to make a Sunday and sit on the couch and get fat. So listen.

Tyca- Are you going to watch this old house?

No, that's Sundays. I watched that Sundays.

A lot. Yeah, that's Sundays with Sundays.

You don't have.

A- Do you-.

That's so good. I know. It's fucking amazing.

It's like, I'm all down. Scottie. Wait, Tyca- What will you watch tonight? Before we get... Well, sorry. Yes, let's get into Tyca. How great is Tyca? How funny and cool and rad is he?

He seems very hip and cool and like-.

He was hard to get on because he kept like it was changing. Then he was like, Two years ago, I was like, Hey, will you do... Right when he came to you.

He was on my list, too.

Yeah. He was on our list. Come do the podcast. He's like, Yeah. I was like, Great. Then trying to schedule, and then he's in England and New Zealand and shooting stuff and whatever.

Nielsy just doesn't care in the best way. No, he doesn't. That's sexy and different. It's just like, well, if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't.

I was in Atlanta a few months ago, earlier this year, and I get a text and I said, Listen, you or your doppelganger or either you or your doppelganger just walked into a restaurant in Atlanta and went upstairs. Then I walked downstairs and there he was on the ground floor.

With Reday. Where? In Atlanta? Just recently?

Yeah. Well, no, a few months ago. He's just such a.

Fucking cool- That's when you closed the deal for the-.

Yeah, but that was one of the other times that he was like, Yeah, I can't wait to do it.

He's one of those people, too, that created his own style of comedy-ish. Oh, my God. Yeah.

He doesn't have to, Jay, you said he doesn't ask for it. He's created his own lane.

Yeah.

He's created his own lane. And he doesn't... It is true. You get the sense he doesn't really... Not that he doesn't care about what other people are doing. It's just that he's into what he's doing in a way, and he's confident about it. He's super smart and super funny and self-deprecating and all of those great things.

But it seems like he's more concerned in the best way about making himself proud and making himself laugh than other people and other people's opinions or their ability to get what he's doing doesn't really guide what he's doing.

No, he's genuine. He literally just sent me a text talking. He's a sweet, thoughtful person.

Yeah, he.

Seems like it. And you know what? These days, those people, they're hard to come by.

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Tarot, Bob the Drag.

Queen, and many more. Plus, you will also be hearing from listeners who share their own.

Dating disasters.

From the team behind the hip podcast, Smartness, Bad.

Dates will.

Make you.

Laugh a lot, cry a little, and cringe just the right amount.

Because as we all know, the worst.

Dates make the best stories.

Follow Bad dates.

Wherever.

You get your podcasts.

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