Hi, everybody, my name is Sophia, and right now we are going to be talking about a gun there, a gun there, a gun, if you guys have never used one, you have probably heard of it and I heard of it.

I mean, by word of mouth, because the there gun is quiet as fuck. You can barely hear it.

What is there a gun?

It is a hand-held percussive therapy device, a.k.a. a handheld deep massage treatment. When my therapy gun showed up to my house, I did not see that thing for five days because it was passed around my entire fucking family, like the popular girl in high school.

It really is that good. And, you know, to go back to the quiet thing, there are guns. New brushless motor is so quiet you do not have to worry about someone in the next room wondering what that vibrating noises or waking up your partner. I mean, check, check, check. It releases your deepest muscle tension using a scientifically calibrated combination of depth, speed and power.

Vroom, vroom.

Guys, this is a true story I was tossing and turning the other night, actually was this morning because I like to go to bed at some ungodly hours, but I was tossing and turning because I was having restless legs and restless arms and I turned that they were going on and it completely relaxed my entire body. I mean, we have a very, very close relationship, me and my there again.

But I have never used it inappropriately.

And I want to say this because I know my listeners are little freaks. So am I. But please do not I repeat, do not use the thera gun on your head or on your genitalia. Just don't do it, don't do it there again helps you or really anyone you are using it on reconnect with their bodies while eliminating the need for chemical alternatives.

So I highly, highly recommend that their gun this makes the best Christmas present bottom line for literally anybody. Again, my entire family went wild when this thing showed up. So to try the a gun for 30 days, starting at only one hundred and ninety nine dollars, go to their gun dot com slash Sofia. That's their gun dot com slash s o f i a. Hi, everybody, welcome to Sofia with an F. I am joined by some two very, very special people, just like we Smos, probably this Letty's bitches I ever met Rosie and Randy, Wizzy and Mandy from horrible decisions.

Hi, guys. How would it do? How are you doing? You know, we are so good with this white club that you try to give us. You could have brought antecedence them. What do we say? Nadia is having a white club for the second time in her life and she's at the white club for the white part, the iPod. I mean, it's only fitting. I just want to tell you guys, Sofia just did our show and had water.

And someone goes, we got some white girl.

And she was like, yeah, please, I love the black cherry. Sure you do. I wanted to start first by saying, how did you guys start the podcast?

Like, how did you meet and started the podcast? Me? That's like a basic question, but I genuinely want to know. I know because you read my article and you saw we thought that's what you do would be to you all through the podcast, your whole spot. That's what it was. You. Why are you telling the story? So I had a boyfriend and Mandy, we broke up. Mandy started dating him, so she got mad.

But shut up. So we're dating back to 15.

But I didn't have a boyfriend, as she didn't know is he was obviously acting as though we were still fine and we went to Disney World together that Nicole was my boyfriend.

Oh, my God, bitch. He was not there. Why was he talking to me every fucking day? She was at my house with my mom. That was my boyfriend. She was mad. But here we go. The problem was this was back when, like, what was the name in AOL and MySpace? So, yeah, I just let it be known like this Monday. And I saw her page on MySpace. Anyways, she did a whole lot of talking over the AOL chat.

Little thing. I didn't do a lot of talking, but you did a lot of talking or doing that. There's like unresolved conflict. No, there's not, because then we thought, OK, this is getting really good and they have a business and they threw her ponytail around in the club. This is just unfair. She loves to hold this ponytail against me. But let me explain something. It was drawstring. I was leaving the club. He did come off and I had seen Mandy the whole night or whatever.

When I was leaving, I felt someone pull my hair and my fucking ponytail comes this.

We didn't even fight. It's just we thought we barely before I thought someone else there wasn't you because we were in a teen nightclub and it got me. Yeah, it got really the ponytail bounced around from person to person. I just had to keep doing it. That's why we all got like though it was almost like those balls that are like in the pool. But it was her ponytail is very quiet. Nothing matters like we like because it was so many people, like anything barely got to happen.

But why it's so terrible when you lose hair any moment in time, you need to. Oh my God. You're with what? Clippings. Oh yeah. But the tapes like I've had it happen with clippings. Yeah. It happens. It was like she still had something on. I had a bun. Oh yeah.

But it was like this before her blood was like a little baby but it looked like a little mushroom you know. But the portabella this is why I'm not the one wearing a wig right now. No, no.

I lost I beautiful the majority of the clippings that were in my head. So I had two little tiny strings of hair like this for like the entire fucking day. Dude, I will show you pictures of my extensions and you will never talk to you.

So we stayed out even though all your hair pulled all Yeah.

I was like, yes, why don't you go home? We will find our no see, this is why a lot of like this is that is white girl shit. It is like, fuck it. Absolutely not, bitch, get me in the car. So anyway, that whole thing happens.

I believe it is Mandy who reached out like months, like a year later. And we ended up talking on the phone for hours, realizing that he was manipulating both of us. And of course, like in true feminist fashion, I broke up with his ass.

Anyway, I love that. He really was.

You know, he was we look back at and I was like, this is so we became friends like from like 15 to like 20 had a falling out. And we both moved to New York and ended up having dinner together.

And this was probably my drunk white girl. She was like, oh, my God, we're so fun. We all just sort of OK. Oh, fuck. Now, the dumb thing about that was we obviously didn't resolve any of our conflict in the past and there had been a lot of hurt in there. Right. Like friends with other people that weren't friends and words said.

So we started our podcast because Mandy at the time was working at a tech firm I'm sorry, finance firm. I was working in tech. I'm like, wow, like we're still whores, but we're like, we got jobs.

I would have thought I was going to have nice homes and money like this is great. So we started horrible decisions on the premise that we were corporate women talking about sex and once the podcast started to grow and blow. It was like arguments would happen in different things in between you and me, and yes, we had a whole therapy episode on air that they're the real purpose. Mitchell, who was she? A friend? Because you say a therapy episode like people, it was a whole as real as therapist.

Have you guys actually gone to therapy together? And it was awful. I felt like all she was was a referee to just make sure we ain't fine. But once we spent all that money, literally, whatever I do, I will be OK. This is it seems like then we went over about forty five minutes, so we had to pay double. It was like what, six hundred dollars for a fucking hour and a half session. We do that at some New York area.

It was bad of you guys yelling at each other yelling and she and you'd like to the point where she thought she was going to change offices because the therapist in the next room was like, can you just stop that? Like, I have a client. But you know what? Actually, the fact that you guys were willing to, like, get into it and fucking yell at each other, do anything that's probably better in the long run than, like, keeping shit to yourself.

And then things are boiling up and then you die, you're tied up. So I go, well, I will say there's two things to that, because I agree with both of you.

I think the fact that we yelled at each other, maybe it was necessary to get that anger out. But our biggest problem now is communication. Right?

Like, people are always so confused in how we fight so much or even would compare us to your podcast because we argue and they're like they're going to break up, they're going to break up, but we don't. And I think it's because we know we built something great, like, you know, we've toured so many cities, met our fans. And it's like, how can we let this arguing really fuck up everyone else's enjoyment and just walking away from ego?

It's now bigger than us. And I think that even with you now, like still keeping going like the fans, that you've been able to accumulate your stories and how you talk about your sex. Maybe not so much your quarterback guy, but like all of your other raunchiness, it is liberating and empowering to so many women that didn't grow up having the conversations with their parents like that.

And when people can listen to. Do you mean that? You mean the conversation surrounding sex. Sex also is women, too, like how we could just sit here and laugh about fucking snorting come bubbles out of our nose or whatever, like whatever the fuck hum bubble. I think I should not think it was confusing. I mean, so I'm the black one here. I don't do, but I do probably OK for my black one, for my white listeners that are listening.

Apparently, if you like, do blow. You're a white beard. That's not true, bro. We are both too black girl. I'm telling you, I've been to the which is fine but black and white difference with cocaine. I'm going to tell you right now, what did you go to a party with white people? It's out there. And do you guys are about black people? You know, I'm saying we're not as generous with people like that because what the fuck would you like that?

When you start talking to someone, you see they get down, I you get down, you like you went OK, it's like that. It's all getting passed around on like a train, like it's like what she was doing it. I'm sorry, but you know how expensive it was. Look, there's some it's expensive. My dime bag thing to tell you. I got to be on my PhD fucking Oak Avenue run gypsie. I'm like, not Gypsy.

What was that place? Gospel.

Oh, gospel. Jesus. All right.

I was like, can I do if I'm not be like, bitch. No, no, you like that. But if I met a black girl, I was like, OK, like, see we're like sisters.

But so anyway, through all of that, I mean, Horrible Decisions is a podcast about destigmatizing kink for black people. Right. So Mandy and I got on there and we would tell our stories together in the beginning and then we would invite people on to talk about cake specifically, like whether we pub play or foot fetishes or anal or whatever.

And that's the thing for for the white people listening, because I'm sure there's a lot of you. We only have twenty seven white listeners. Yeah. We always know how many hundreds of thousands of people listen.

We still say twenty people come out that because outside of us liberating women we say a lot of things are white people because I feel like you guys are more open to trying things sexually or with sexuality. Yeah. So a lot of us don't assume that even black people are into BDM and tying people up. And because it's just this, we don't talk about it, our culture, it's just the culture to not really talk about. And it comes from deep when you're a kid, don't be fast or things like that.

Having to be I call it the Obama complex sometimes because that president had to be the perfect fucking black guy. Oh, yeah. You know what I mean. And black people and your families and your moms and your fathers, they tell you that to excel, you have to be that person. And what is seen as something that slutty or demeaning or taboo or people won't respect you.

So, I mean, it's also something the. We're not supposed to enjoy as women the right side of black, white, any color, like we're automatically looked at and valued as less because we enjoy having sex. That's yeah, that's so interesting. So there's two points here. And in black culture, it's like they everything you guys do, you should tone it down. Yeah. To not be too much. Is that what you're saying? I believe it is.

Kind of especially growing up.

Right. And that obviously includes sex. That's like a very interesting fucking thing to think about. And then secondly, just as women in general, we should not talk about sex. We shouldn't. We really shouldn't. Well, especially the way that it was, you know, a little local. I've got to be the title. I don't come. Do you ever have you ever put out an episode or said something where you were like, I took it too far?

Yes.

Yes. That time where I did a lot of editing you, she'll be like she's like, yeah, no, no, I'm not going to lie. Like there was even a rape episode and I don't know what it was, but we just got a whole bunch of comments like the story. It seems like it was edited somewhere and I didn't even know she forgot what I did. I just got out of something. She was afraid and I was like, I got to take this, she said, adding I was doing a lot of the editing, editing I'm talking about as far as editing ourselves.

Like if we say something like post-production, yeah, we don't do that no more, you know, our people do that. I gave up on that. But as far as editing ourselves, like, yeah, there will be stories that after we recorded, it's like she would be more like.

So there was a few things in the beginning that I know both of us. One was pegging. We talked about paying a lot. She shakier, I said. So we're going to have a lot of black listeners and I don't want people to know that I'm into Peguy. I was like, I just want to be here, everybody. And literally the first episode, here she go. We're Pagasa sisters. You know what that means? Begging, like, we just drop something on.

And I was like, bitch. I said I didn't want to talk about guess like, yeah, pangasius. How do you come up with the shit you had with justice, you know, like for me was sugar daddy. So keep in mind in the beginning we now make a living off our podcast and touring and all that other shit and being in entertainment. But in the beginning, like we were nine to five bitches, I was in school.

The sugar daddy thing was a very particular thing I didn't want to talk about because I was like, well, I'm selling pussy. Technically, I have an arrangement story one too many.

And I felt like you don't have to tell one on here.

Oh, God. Give us the amazing story you went on a trip with. I did. But you put the ties right in the bin, right next. Although we didn't know and she brought me to because she said, like big books. Oh, so I tell the story. All right. So I grew up with money and then I didn't have it. And then I got really poor. That's the story we're talking about thinking get there. So I just felt like selling pussy at the time.

And by the way, I think we all have been there at some point where you get a little Shamie and there's that whore hierarchy where, like, I'm better than you because I don't do this.

Yeah, I was like, I'm never pussy. I'll have a sugar daddy. Right? But I sold it. So I was seeking arrangement and I met this guy, black dude.

So I felt safe because at the time I was in fucking white guys, I was scared. I felt like if I fucked a white guy, they're going to kill me. But then when I got a lifetime, it's lifetime.

But it's also like you just I think when you're black, you kind of stick to it, you know, at first.

And like once I moved to New York, I was Bulgaria. Eastern Europe has seen my vagina.

But in the beginning I was like, OK, so this black guy, he's bad news. And we find some like, who could have been that bad?

He was bad enough. Yeah. Beli on seeking arrangements. It says how much their net worth is right right now.

His he put like over half a million.

He was a doctor, a doctor. So he did have money.

So we get there, we stay at the MGM Grand, which is one of my favorite hotels in Detroit and I love to gamble. So we had fun and we were having so much fun and I was like, he's going to forget to fuck me. This is right. And that's what she was also. Yes, he like gave us money to gamble with. But the whole time I thought I was the friend, the guy brought the book because she was like, he likes big butt.

And were you down? Were you like, yeah, you take one for the team, you give me money. Yeah, he gave us money, but he also gave us money to gamble. This bitch went like seven hundred dollars. I was like, bitch, that means we got to split it right. She put it with me. She's like, you don't like I'm giving some of this to my mom. And I would like if only she knew where this fucking money came from.

My family. She also gave her mom so she gave them to her mom. And I was like, anyway, so we got really drunk. But I will say this fucking sugar that the person to introduce me to. No, well, caviar and egg whites and drinks. So I have like my first whiskey sour with. So first of all, we get to the dinner in Israel. I had eaten my shit before the like, you know, and this is the fucked up part with me.

Like, I kind of expected he brought his friend, right, who was bring his friend. I was like, OK, there's going to be some, like, shit. And the most expensive caviar on the menu was, what, twelve hundred dollars he spent money comes out on this little tiny thing. Right. And let me tell you the way my palate is set up now. But this was like my night. We were like that time I was destined for great 1920 because I had one taste and I was like, oh, this is what I need for.

Like, Oh fuck and fuck you. Oh, this is literally, mind you, that she has an egg allergy. And I'm like, well, bitch, you just got to stay away because I want to try this drink with egg white. Right, right, right, right. But he's the one who put me on to that. And then so we're drunk. We we went to like the speakeasy. We were in the casino gambling. We were drinking all night and you so you could avoid fucking shit.

I'm not going to fuck. Yeah. Then you go to the movies. I got to her bed. I'm like, oh, I'm sorry. Thanks Lawwell. If I change one over there I to get drunk all night. And I was like, this is great. The fact you must have been nineteen twenty because now like you fucking know you're right that they will make sure they fuck you. That popinjay I like but we did go great thing that she didn't think he could barely get.

Yeah. So he was just so wait that's like really great advice from God. I know that's really great advice but it is a little bit if you're with a cigarette and you don't want to fuck them, if you give them like a kind of I gave some of my pussy money to my mom, I feel like God threw me a bone. I was like, you know what, bitch? We're going to give it a half.

Dick, you are being cool. So he fell asleep and loud. No. Yeah. Me and man, you slept in the bed. She moved from the bed that she just said, this is the guy. You're like, how she's like Venger away because I like you. I acted like I was knocked out. It was going to get me. Because if he didn't work with her, I think I know if he thought I was going to get but was a bitch, I would sleep.

Oh, wow.

Now you're laughing at one point. So then what happens? You guys, like you just went home and so you have home. And I remember him saying I was like, oh, I need the cab money. And he was like, after all the money. I know you did. He did.

That was a great experience because like from now since then, that was to me one of my best experiences with understanding how it is to quote unquote be the sex worker, because I pay for pussy a lot like Cuba.

I'd like you to go see Pam so she'll pay for you.

OK, what do you mean by that? So, like, I'm like secretly hoping to talk about like a massage that, that and that.

But she like legit pays for sex. So I love threesomes. Like I've been in trouble, like I've had a girlfriend. And when dating men more particularly I call them on the show all day, we have a lot of threesomes, mainly with listeners.

I don't know how it happens, but I just think you don't know how it happens. She loves fucking fans, bro.

No fans with an F here and you just end up hooking up like you will be talking about the next episode. So they're like, are you with. I'm like, yeah.

And then they already know. Like I'm like, oh, and then they know you like obviously it's time to get it in. So like it always happens now while vacationing more than none I, I think out of every vacation only to the times maybe of eight, two of the times I paid for pussy but within but yeah. Like four threesomes. If I can't find someone we're not vibing with someone and I want to have a vacation threesome.

Yeah. The last time I paid was Cuba, which was really fun.

Was it a girl or a guy. It was a girl. I would love it MMW but like I guess he's not ready for that. But yeah, we go to this club where it's like Cuba's a big prostitution country, like how they survive off of it. That's where, like, if you want to get the happy ending massage from like a gorgeous like Cuban dude, like, that's where you go. I mean, he was drunk.

Didn't you say it was a group of like German and Russian on a Groupon? Do you happen to like it was a massage? OK, it was a massage. And he was like, yeah, it was in Miami. And I felt bad because this was back when I was broke. So I always had the twenty.

But it was going to end up in fucking or no finger injury because it's my fantasy. I just need you to tell me how did were you, like, OK, touch my pussy or what were you like, fuck grindingly here. And it's like, well, you had an accent. So ironically, in the beginning of the massage, we just talked a lot. He's like, I like where he was from because he had an accent. Right.

And I don't like accents now, but back then I was like, oh, and he was like, he's exotic. He was a bitch. He's he was white, German, Russian, German. OK, so you fucked way.

I didn't fuck him. You finger fucked, that's a million times we only we only acknowledge oral sex is sex, we never talk about finger fucking sex, but for lesbians it's sex and I don't think that should have sex. OK, so what were you doing, man? OK, Cesari is not the. All right. No, no, it is. It is. I'm joking. Things only penis a vagina you can get from it. Yeah.

It's sex. OK. OK, so you were getting so basically when he got like down to this is when he was still when I was laying on my stomach, he got down to the, to my thigh area. I pretty much just like started opening my eyes.

Oh my God. Like as he was massaging the inside of my thighs, he was getting worse because he just felt a bitch was leaking like, oh, in the car. Well, the problem is, let me fix this again. And like, as he got closer to my vagina, I just kept open, like, more and more. I'll be like, nigga, yes, you can go in there. But I didn't say it, but I just like and then by the time I rolled over, he just he was all open.

Shut the fuck up. And you came all this way and just go back to the feet. You know, he just went back to the massaging the rest of my life. Did you say thank you? Of course I did. OK, does it depend on the fucking establishment know this. I'm sure this allowed. I know. I know it's not allowed.

But like with a CD, I mean, kind of right. Because I said in many ways I feel like it was nice.

It was on the beach. It was on Collins. So so I just to Miami and like get this shit done anyway.

So this was this was like four years ago.

I if I can go into my Groupon app, I might be able to let you know where I went, but I'm sure he's got fired. Yeah, he might have. I don't know. Or he's fucking or he's not O.D. So there's a Sex in the City episode. I do this every fucking show, Martha, when she gets that look like a nice place. But it's I think it's just the vibe like, see, there's a maybe I can go.

She said she used to go to a place in Chinatown. Right. That gives happy endings. Yeah.

But like, I don't know if any men work that. I think it's not for women.

Do you want a man or woman give you a happy ending? I think either. When I went to Thailand with my mom, there is like this older woman and I think she was kind of trying to go for that.

And I was like, I don't think I can do it with like a six year wanting to be ages.

No, that's not know. But I just can't believe that happened in Miami, like in Miami. I guess it happens anyway.

I really and now I want to pay for sex. That sounds so fucking hot. So, yeah, I don't know what it is, but I don't want to do anything. Well, OK, you said you like to pay for and then you said you like to fuck your fans.

Oh I just do like a rock star. She is. Who can I explain something to go on tour. I was the one making out with fans. I'll make out with them but I won't fuck.

You were bugging out bro. I was drunk. Shit.

It's like drink covid though. Like we have you do. So you know. So we, we were on tour in the middle of covid so no not in the middle.

I'm sorry for things. Oh they cut it short but so the first tour we did we funded on our own.

Right. We used our Patreon money shit. We use the same hotel room and we were making bank, we sold out. Every single show was amazingly WME was like, oh you bitches or something.

We were like, yeah, oh, you're up to me too. Oh, that was the least relatable shit we've ever you know, you're driving me to you're out there. OK, well, it's going to be a real it's not cool for school radio.

So on our second tour, in my opinion, because the venues were so large, I mean, we did Highwater for anyone that doesn't know what Howard Theatre is, it's a historic black college. And it was I mean, to me was a monumental thing for everyone.

You know, people treated us differently because, I mean, we were renting out small comedy clubs at first. And then when they were seeing us in that light with these huge twenty four stages, they're like, it was Bill, I want to fuck you.

I saw I understood how rappers felt.

People were just throwing pussy at us and like, yeah, no, seriously. And then at that point after the Howard Theatre thing, I was like, oh, we do have to act like we're like almost famous.

We're not really we're just famous to black. Yeah. So you have hooked up with people that listen to the show and then you paid for it. Yeah.

So I haven't paid for sex alone yet, but I absolutely would. What do you mean. What does that mean. So I only paid for women to encounter threesomes with. Oh ok.

OK, ok. So actually done that before too. Yeah. And I think it's fun.

I've hired like a roll off of Craigslist to like come hang out with my boyfriend and I.

Did you want her to fake like she was your friend or someone. You know I just how much does she charge for this. You know, it's really fucked up. Is my boyfriend was kind of like. He was trying to lowball her kind of, and he was like, she did not look like her pictures, let's just put it that way.

You sort of a different you should have a different bitch. You got kafia from Craigslist, I kind of thought. And she showed up and he was just like, no, we're going to stick to we're going to stick to, like, the price we discussed. And then she was kind of she was like, I will do this for that. And then me, she tried to upset you while she was trying to upscale and then me being drunk and female empowerment.

I'm like, girl, you tell him like, be careful out there. Know, my boyfriend's like, so if you know what the fuck and I'm like, do not let you go over. He's also my man because. Oh, but that is the only sex work. It's like as someone who's pro sex work and we all are ready to host these shows where we're empowering sex, I feel like I have to push that right. Like yeah, right now I'm filming and working on a TV show where I'm talking to sex workers and they're the only ones whose appearance fees.

I'm like, oh no.

Like she you pay them what they ask everybody else, like, I get it, whatever. Like it's journalism. But when these people are putting their lives on the line, like from a vulnerability perspective, because for one, they're offering a service that may not be sexy.

That's how it's legal. Right. So escorts are offering their time. And if they have sex with you, it's their choice. And that's why they've had to use verbiage on Craigslist like roses or things like that. They don't go to fucking jail, you know.

And you know what else, my favorite way to get liquid ivy when I just need it on the Felicity fly and don't feel like driving is post meets, post meets, we all know what post meets is I usually use it for food delivery more than I would like to admit.

But you can have pretty much anything delivered to your front door, literally anything.

We've all done that. I'll get the plan B tomorrow approach. I know everyone listening can understand what I'm saying right now. Have this shit delivered. You can't be like leaving family brunch to go get the plan B, so everybody go ahead, throw those iconic door pants on or don't and grab the postman's bag on your front porch with your plan B with no contact delivery and be on your way.

The only judge looks you'll be getting is from your fucking dog or your family if they know what you're up to or your boyfriend or your goldfish, but way better than the lady at the fucking checkout.

OK, so for a limited time post means is giving my listeners five dollars off your first five orders for your first seven days to save five dollars on your first five deliveries. Download the app and use code Sophea one hundred as in I own 100 percent of my show. That's code Sophea one hundred SFI a four five dollars off your first five orders when you download the post meets app or sign up online.

Anything you need. Anytime you need a post, meet it.

Now back to the show. Let me tell you all, I am so tired of people in Hollywood. It's exhausting, dude. In what way? Oh my God. Like so I when we did our first show, I got contacted by a lot of people to start doing like TV slots, like Viacom or BTE or different people like, oh, you're funny because I was kind of learning how to do improv on stage.

And honestly, that's how our show works. Mandy is very much the one that outlines and I plug a lot of shit like it's weird. We both bring a different dynamic.

She keeps our structure and I try to like, pull the joke like, oh, well, that's why we missed the whole segment, because she ran that outline. But it was fun. She doesn't really outlining like I do. But, you know, it's crazy. Just been talking about sucking dick. So like for the last two years I've been working on writing things and making content and creating scripts, unscripted, not scripted, whatever, working on punch up, which is basically when comedians or people are making a movie or a show and they're like, hey, this is the script and the jokes in her are you sit in a room with people and you keep working on jokes together, right?

So like I had this idea for a show maybe like December of last year. Right. Or a heart.

I wasn't really horrible decisions really brought that out of me.

Like, I, I really started to enjoy making funny content, not like in an Instagram real way of like just something I wanted to put out there.

And I had flown out to L.A. so many times to film for things and everyone tells you how great you are, but nobody wants to be first to give you that money. Right. And it was the same horrible decision that you guys are great. But like, they wouldn't sign us to things until it was more time.

So, dude, I got my green light almost 10 months later.

And what do you think? That's like a race thing. A female thing. What thing?

I mean, I told you we're going to be real like we even were horrible decisions. Thought that it was a race thing. Why we weren't as big as you or, you know.

And she. Well, I was just going to say, you know what, I my old show, it's two white girls, like I'm Spanish, but I'm fucking way. And she is why they come. And when we went when we flew out to L.A., it was everything on a silver platter. What we want to do, a TV show. Movie did it. Yeah. And I honestly want to say it's a race thing. I do.

It is I think that a lot of the things that her there was a show, particularly on one network that's larger than life. I shot maybe four episodes of something with them. And the person they chose over me, they apologized for when they called me and told me I didn't get it, who was white.

And she's like, I just think that they saw something better. And she's like, even she's like the people recording your stuff.

We had to go back and fix the sound because they laugh so much when you spoke and they did it on her pilot, but she's just going to sell the show better. So, I mean, luckily with the network I'm with now, I can say it. It's Fuze. They were like, well, fucking. Yeah, black girl shit. Like, I think we should be talking about this shit like this is real. It is. I mean, it's really real.

And especially with what we went through with our podcast, like sometimes it's downright embarrassing how low people have offered us money.

And I think that's really what made us to our own first, like when we can make one hundred or hundreds of thousands alone, like we go with these companies that just want to Marcus off their checklist is the black pod. I mean, which is really what made us so recently. We finally signed to Charlemagne's black effect, which is a subcategory of, like I heard network's podcast, where he's got all black podcast and they're trying to elevate their voice.

And that was like the best fit of everyone who's contacted us. Charlamagne Yeah. Because it was just the right moment after four years of podcasting to never align with another company. But yeah, I mean, finally, like, there was like a home where I was like, OK, now we can sign our name on the dotted line.

But I mean, it took time.

I really always felt like everyone would take advantage of us down to our age. And he's black. And he was like, trust me, dude.

Like, I guess the issue is like I will probably find a lot of people. I think just in this industry, every fucking person is going to try to take advantage of you.

Yeah, they are. But almost every single just as being women, us, us being dynamic where we're up against those walls.

Yeah. And it doesn't matter. I mean, I spoke about this in my first episode. I this is like obviously a weird, awkward fucking thing for me to talk about. I don't exactly like want to navigate it yet. But the fact that this show was making I want to say thirteen, fourteen million dollars that's. Oh yeah. That's what you did when we went out and it was right and wrong. Right.

Because it's like they gave us the publicity. Right. They did when it's like we signed this shit.

But I also understand that when it comes time to negotiate, is that where you were at. What do you mean? Were you at negotiation time when you'd realize you were done?

No different articles. The problem was y'all were trying to force a negotiation mid contract. Like, I think it would have been better if y'all just so let the contract so out.

And then BUSSMANN So this is going to blow some minds. So the contract. It was we were hired on as at will employees, yes, so we could leave whenever any fucking moment, which people don't understand, everyone's like you had a contract, you had to, like, sit there and finish it out. We did it. Oh, we got I will tell you then. Now, I understand because what we've read or what I read. Anything else.

Yeah, I read it. It was like you wanted to break that. That's the thing that people don't understand. And it's been really hard for me because I'm like, I want to just tell them blah, blah, blah.

But then the problem was that you and her didn't agree. Yes. And I think that's kind of the craziest thing, is we were free to leave and do another podcast.

What made you I'm curious, what made you take so long? I wondered if you took so long because you just wanted to land on an idea you took so long because maybe you were dealing with the hurt of how people treated you to come back and do my own show. Did you? I wondered also if that was a contractual thing. So no, no, no, no. Because again, I can be like by and quit and do a podcast, OK?

I think it took a while because I was mentally extremely fucked up, like I'm not going to lie, I never experienced something like that.

I don't think it's fair to say a lot of people, probably not, but not like New York did people and thank God kind of during quarantine's didn't have to face everybody.

But like when people come up to places and ask you, like you felt, you can avoid it, why you didn't leave the house because like covid here. And then I was also like that depressed. Like I would not leave the house type of thing. And, you know, it just it takes time. Like my attorney is going back and forth with their attorney. And then I you know, I actually had six fucking offers to do a podcast, like right out of the gate, I'm sure really.

See, I'm mentally, like in a different spot. And you can tell because I felt so hated, I felt is the same with when you look at the most hated people they think everybody wants to hear is good because what all of these tech giants are doing as well, they're focused on engagement. They don't give a fuck whether it's people saying they hate you a thousand times or whether they think, oh my God, I episode. I mean, they care about clicks and they care about the person on the other end listening to this.

But it's why people probably they still listen if they're not even enjoying their content anymore, they don't hate, you know, listen to you just so they can go, which can you believe? She said the devil, which is which is so crazy because there's this line between really kind of diving into the like the clicks, clicks, clicks. Like I'm going to see some fucked up shit on this episode and I'm going to get in beef with this person.

That's not me. OK, do you understand what I'm saying?

But I understand that it works. I mean, that's kind of like what my old company was. They were like, yeah, click baiting.

I'm curious to know we were talking about women and what like what people thought about sex.

When you guys started your show, did you know who we were? And did you feel like we could have ever come on.

Yeah, come on in together. Like both just collaborated. So when I started the podcast, I had only listened to two other podcasts and they were not about sex. And I just never looked at clubbing with people because we didn't to get through. We didn't do guests for two years. So no, I didn't think about, you know, like clubbing with you guys because I did think about clubbing with anyone, to be completely honest.

What made you think of it now? What made you reach out to us? I think it's when I was talking to my fucking friends this and she says, you know, the old DJ called her dog is horrible decisions, by the way, is your friend. But No one. She's managed. She's fantastic. Well, and she listened to, obviously, my show and yours at the same time. And she was like, they would be perfect.

And I also am trying to set a standard of being fucking inclusive. I know it's very important that you have like minded people on. I think that was the thing we didn't even understand at first with our reach. Like, do we introduce people to other podcast? But like that is the method of successful people.

When you put other people on or you collaborate with them no matter who's on a different like. Right. That only just increases your reach ability. What people think of you, it just makes you greater. Yeah, I don't think we have to operate like drug dealers. Like there's really no money to go around. Like we don't have to sit here and be like, this is my corner, this is my idea, you know what I mean? Like, and it sets a standard, too, when, like, you won't work with other women and like, it just doesn't it's just not a good look.

And I think that when you can't cross promo. Yeah. It's just not good for business. What you had before. I do get it like we didn't do a lot of guests. I mean, we, we, we did.

But I mean, I get that. Yeah. I think to people pit you against each other a lot.

And that's really what made us reach out to other sexpots to collaborate. Because when people start to do that in your comments, you're like, OK, you got to like break the shit out. Yeah.

And I totally agree with that. And I'm not going to lie to you because I'm a very honest, transparent person. I think when I was doing that old show and we would see the comments for horrible decision, I don't read them.

You don't. You got to stay out these comments. I don't read them. I even I have another podcast. It took six episodes for me to even reach into the comments on our YouTube for that, I don't read specifically YouTube comments because they're harsh you to. What about your messages, like your dad?

I mean, of course, my DMS, but my DMS specifically on my personal channels are my fans. So I don't really know what to do.

But that's not true because on our horrible decisions page, we absolutely read through the comments about the episode. We'll read about the comments from an episode of assuming that's what you mean. Yeah, but I won't go on to YouTube and I don't feel like I search for places where I know there's going to be negative things. But to me, anyone who spends the time out of their day to go and write about how much they hate somebody that they don't know or to talk about how awful they think someone dressed right.

You spend that time going, it's just negative things I like those people are lunatics to me. How she's cormick. Have you guys ever done that? Have you ever felt like my own girls. I have been mean comic shit is real.

Right.

So like if you are putting that much energy to destroy, like I really feel like it just comes back like I even when I'm thinking and getting angry or having jealous and possessive feelings about someone I'm with like it only I really believe that.

I just don't think that you can really go out there and try to be as evil or hurtful and it just doesn't come back.

I agree, I, I do agree to a certain extent I do.

So you really believe in, like, this karmic thing where if you're doing it, you're like doing fucked up shit, it's going to come back to you? I believe in that. I really do.

And I also think, like, you don't think there's people that are just like fucking evil, horrible people and they just get away with it their whole lives, I think. But I don't but I don't live with her in pain.

And I think that when I hear that when you're that evil person, like they know you go to bed at night feeling good. Yeah. And I've had anxiety before and things like that. I won't say that or been depressed, but day to day, I believe I'm a happy person and I choose to live my life that way. And even when I find myself getting angry, like in moments like this. Right.

Like I got really angry at a cousin of mine the other day and I had to say out loud like that, I wish her well that day because I was like, I'm so mad at this bitch.

If I keep doing that and perpetuating that, it's just like I'm just going to keep it there.

So I have to really try to believe to be as good as I can. I just think that's the only way that you really can be a good person and get good shit back. Yeah, I do think there are people that are just innately good people and there are people that are born on some different type of psycho shit.

We're reaching the end, but before we get there, let's talk about better help guys.

I take my mental health very seriously. You might not be able to tell by the way I act on this fucking show, but mental health is something I feel extremely passionate about. And this is why I want to talk about better help. I'm an avid, avid supporter of therapy. I've talked about it before and most of us are not able to see our therapist in person right now.

I know I can't better help is a godsend. You can start communicating in under 24 hours with your own licensed professional therapist.

Haven't we all been there?

Sometimes shit happens and you need to talk to someone ASAP. You can send a message to your counselor any time because sometimes you can't go to a friend and you can't go to a family member. They're just not going to cut it. You need someone who is removed from the situation and someone who has clinical expertise. Am I right? It's also more affordable than traditional offline counseling and financial aid is available. So, guys, they're willing to help you, help yourself, help get the help you need.

That was in English, but you guys know what I mean. So I want all of us and I mean this genuinely. I want all of us to start living a happier life today. We all deserve it. As a listener, you will get 10 percent off your first month by visiting our sponsor at Better Help Dotcom slash Sofia and you can join over one million people who have taken charge of their mental health. Again, that's better help l.p dotcom sophea s o f ay ay.

OK, OK, OK, I want to talk about sex work for a minute, because I think there is a lot of confusion surrounding what is considered sex work. Is there a difference between in a school or a pole dancer or a sugar baby or selling fucking feet pigs on only fans? Like what is the distinction if there is one?

What we're doing right now with our podcasts is talking about sex is sex. Right, because it's empowering.

Enlightening. I mean, shedding a light, I think even promoting positivity toward it.

Sugaring to me is sex work because there's an ultimate thing there, right? Where, you know, sex is an option and generally happens. There's an age gap where it's like beautiful women, like this is all sex work.

We're not fucking in the strip club if we're stripping. But you know that you're pretty and someone's paying for it. Sharing, you're pretty. Someone's paying for it. If I didn't even I never really had, like, that term sugar daddy I didn't use, but I fucked a lot of niggas. And I'm just saying. So the guys that I fucked that were married, we would go into our arrangement where I was benefiting financially and I knew what they wanted out of the relationship.

And so even though I didn't necessarily look at myself as a prosecutor, escort or sex worker rights, I was willing to engage sexually with somebody for financial gain.

And they're always trying to justify and being like, but it's not like I'm an escort, you know, and and the hierarchy of the high going.

And it's just it's I think it's not detrimental, but it's just not good. It's like, let's not compare.

What are you doing, what you're doing. But it's because even within the same space, there's still a lot of shame about us enjoying sex. Yeah. Or benefiting from the act of sex. Yeah. So whether you're a stripper and you look down on escorts and they look down on prostitutes and like there's always a way to shame the exact act that you're doing to make yourself feel better.

Oh, I do it all the time, though, for the way that I look at other kind of drug users is hilarious.

I could be at a party like, oh, these bitches are doing to me, oh, we are so grateful to have I done I mean, I just do it like, you know, you're right.

I mean I've tried everything. I heard a lot. But but that's it's kind of it's the cocaine crack thing. Yeah. See, and here I go. And it's just a basic person who does drugs. We talk about, you know, mid if you're smoking or if you're smoking that gas, it's orgasmic. Yeah. We we weed smokers like we talk about if you're smoking like grass and dirt or if you're smoking like some.

But either way, like you're not judging if your you know what I mean. Either way, I cannot believe the person I've become. Like when I was eighteen going to eighty seven I wasn't eighteen and they came out then. But like when I was younger going to those raves I was like, oh my God, I'm just doing it. Actually I'm not snorting coke and then bam twenty five here and I'm like oh a gold straw. But you know that's what we do.

Like we just judge and judge until you cross that path. Right.

The interesting thing with sex work, it's like they may be more conventionally attractive or have come from a different standard of money, whereas if someone was born into a different circumstance and they've had to st- walk or use a Craigslist, maybe they did a lot of different means in ways that I have even judged until I think our podcast really helped me get out of that.

Think. Yeah, like understanding that every woman's journey is different.

This is why, like, I've also tried to pull out.

I definitely talk about not wanting to date a broke dude, but sometimes we can't even talk like that because you really don't fucking know like the things that people have to do. And it's like your friend is sugaring, may have a great Chanel bag or write from this, but someone else may need to feed themselves.

So it's totally different, you know, and, you know, it all stems from the same shit, really. It's you kind of feeling bad about what you're doing. Yeah. Do you get what I'm saying? That's the only reason you're comparing.

But there's internalized shame and all that too. Like I to do some nasty things in the bedroom and I've been like, who the fuck am I like? I've even questioned like how nasty I've been and it's just like me. Shame on me. What would you say with the boy? What was the last I mean, I would say even like putting a foot in my mouth, like, what the fuck am I like swapping was my shit, right?

I was like, well, you with a drawl. A guy came in your mouth and you slept with a girl. No bald yet.

But I would like to believe but I've had a guy come on me and lick the come off and then kiss me with it. Really? Oh, my God. Hot love.

I have one last serious question. OK, if you guys have ever had a business decision that's super fucking hard. How do you guys ultimately come to. I had a whole year now are we do we like and we all don't get, like, agree with that. That's the answer. Get a lawyer. That's a hard decision. I mean, do you guys each have your own or the same one for the for the business business? And then we each have our separate ones there.

I won't say I do like having the business lawyer together.

I think she does her best to act in the best interests. She'd be like therapy therapist. She the therapist. But like she she deserves a bottle. She says we should send what she calls a minute can shake.

And to be honest, I felt like we needed someone who was like us. Like I felt like if you know, if you've got an old Jewish white dude, what are you going to do? You know, I'm saying like I know my father. This one is this is really OK.

You totally want to be Jew, but not like we needed somebody that could relate. And I think that she does well with that.

And even when we're cursing, she can do it with that.

But Mandy and I found out before we do that, the last thing I will say that I think we do over time is like we put listeners first a lot. And like even right now, we just drop some merch. Right. I liked something.

She didn't like something. It was like, OK, like whatever people will like better. I might not like this, but what do they want? Really try to put people first. And that's been the biggest thing that has propelled us is if we are going to disagree.

And for business, it's taking out your ego, it's taking away whatever personal issues you have and literally what's best for the business and what's best for the people who support you. So your customers or your listeners and podcasts and we fuck up.

That's a great answer. That's a great answer.

And that APC like, yeah, 100 percent came off, you know, because we said, OK, I really relate to the Jewish thing.

I feel like they're all fucking old Jewish. Yeah, they are. And the scammers.

And I think any time I do like this, I get so mad and but my grandmother is Jewish, so I'm Jewish. I'm also a bitch because when I get out from my accident and I'll tell you what he does to me because I get very cheap and she will remind me about my father. And it's just true. We the people by that I mean are just smarter and better, which is what is your dad you just spoke with Israeli do.

And it's like he has taught me so much about money squeezing every penny do me to. That's why I got fucking kicked off of the fucking show. Like I told you. I'm telling you we don't we need a fucking like look at my bank account. All right.

It trust me. Oh, you're also living in Salt Lake now.

Said it could be OK. The location change.

All right. We are talking about just sex and we are wrapping up the episode.

I am we're going to answer listener questions. Oh, I like this. And they're going to be primarily just sex based, OK, because I knew I was bringing some hookers on. Yeah, OK.

This one, I really, really want to ask you guys. I see this question fifty thousand times. How do you suck uncircumcised Dick. You don't what.

Oh I love uncirculated. This is more so I don't want a turtleneck. OK, are you like this all. Got this one here in the winter. OK, uncircumcised. Circumcised. Like a little fun part but do I. I heard that they're more fun. You've never seen. I never have. I never have.

You can sluttier than you are. How have you not run into what I am. I am a slut. I am so yellow you blue.

You must make a lot of American guys because I believe it's something like 80 percent of American circumcised is like 80 percent of the world, doesn't it. But like when I was on my European spree and this is what I didn't realize, I think black girls have been taught to like white guys won't really be into us. And when I was year, they were like, oh, bitch, you look different now. I was like, well, I am.

And it was like a total package thing. I mean, countries bother you or were you like, OK, not until I like you.

It's not like I was OK, but not like they were all circumcised. And I just kind of like to be circumcised. I think you. Yeah. And I liked how they were like a little thicker and like, I don't know, I felt like they were thicker dicks.

I can't I'm the real thing that they do. I will say this one thing with uncircumcised Dick, for anyone that's dealing with someone that has an uncircumcised dick, it's a gift because they feel more sensitive. So when you're removing the foreskin, it decreases it. I mean, can you tell them step by step how to suck it like you pull the foreskin down? So it's a hard microphone and it's hard.

You really have to write it. It's hard. You don't really have to. But I will say this.

Just make sure it doesn't get caught. Like if you're doing some handwork there. Right. And this is no fucking crazy trick. This is PornHub shit. We all know like the basket weave type thing, right, when you're doing that.

You can't be too vigorous like a regular circumcised or not, it's your regular army, to use that word, but you just have to make sure because it could snag and it could be very painful. Why are you nodding like that? You've uncircumcised.

Oh, do you want it or do you want. Do you want to come tell us about your answer. I want it. I got it right on the head. Well, medicine. OK, so I'm saying, like, if you're going too fast, it could be really painful. So just making sure you're gentle. But the good thing is there is this point. Correct me if I'm wrong, where when you're pulling it up, when it goes right over the head, it creates like a different sensation because their skin, your hand and your mouth.

So it's like, ah, you don't get hard over here.

She's just he's over there moaning.

Oh, this is good. Right down. Yeah. I mean it's just like making sure the hand move and that's where they're going to feel the most unless your mouth is that good.

So. So you're saying engage and play with the foreskin. Yeah. Like have fun with it.

And I Candy seems like they can't like if you're going to wear a hat today, try it on so you know. Well then I was wrong because I mean I've come across like I'm not going to not because the extra skin, but I make sure the things they pull down the holes.

But that's the thing. It's not as pleasurable or not as it is dealing with it. And that's fine. And I won't you know what my I'm not going to say who it is.

Someone very close to me in my family, a family member, has told me she would rather an uncircumcised egg because it's more fun, there's more shit to play with. And supposedly they feel more sensitivity. I mean, not supposedly they do. Yeah, I would rather that one, too. Yeah. Really? Yes. You heard it here first. All right, let's move the fuck on.

OK, you guys talk a lot about fetishes on horrible decisions, right?

Yes. Yeah. All right. This girl, she said, I'm going to damn you about.

We've heard it probably all over to you. She's oh, you're missing the fetish thing. OK, I'm going to Damu about the wildest. Yeah. I've done at work because it was when I was dancing, a dude asked me to step on his balls for one K and I mean, like, kick him in the balls.

Told me to grab him by his hair and ask him why he was such a dirty little I kid you not send this as a DM because I dance on the side. Got to keep it on the DL.

So the kicking thing there's actually I'm not sure of the fetish name, but I think they do that up. But there's a famous ball busting.

Thank you, but I think there's a saying to carry. Oh look here. Literally ball kicking your ball. Oh maybe it's a Japanese word. Yeah. So there's a famous guy in New York. Can the carpet he used to roll himself in carpet, stand under a bar and like ask for people to step on him and it was his way to get his kink off. And this is a very common fetish. A lot of like Fin DOMS, Financial Dominatrixes.

If you're listening and you don't know that that term, if they're getting paid pigs who are men that like like to give women their money. Right. Some girls you could definitely have on it. I'd be great. Right. But they don't engage in sex with clients. And ball busting is like the number one thing. And I don't know really what it has to do with.

But apparently that surge of like kicking or it's much like spanking when you're like you feel like you wake up like that's what it is and it's like kicking and all of that.

It takes you to another place.

I think the pain can be like a sexual, so I can't find a filia. So we talk about paraphilias as a part of our week of the week. OK, well, we did bring this up. It's CBT cock and bull torture. That's right. We had penis torture or dick torture, which is a sexual activity involving application of pain or constriction to the penis or testicles. It may involve directly painful activities such as we already know, hey, it is in the BDM realm, sadistic dominants, erotic humiliation and masochism.

So, OK, so that's what those words stand for, right.

As they all are inclusive in that that's a BDM like job that she's about. Do I think one K is pretty good, especially for your first time.

But not only that, that's the thing too. In a lot of rooms you can do this stuff without having to engage in penetrative sex. Right. So a lot of people think that sex work is all about penis and vagina. Right. And it's not like the fact that you could get who would not get the kick.

And again, I think it'd be easier for me to fuck for money than do that. I feel like really, I just do.

Oh, goofy bitch. I mean, like you would be able to take it seriously. I'm sorry. Could you kick a guy and his balls for one k? OK, let's look for two hundred because what two hundred dollars. Would you kick a guy in his balls. No.

For a K I'm thinking would I rather fuck or just kick him in the balls for a thousand.

I feel like I could fuck. I would rather kick him in the. I can't have the balls to work against lazy as fuck, I'd rather they need you to talk to him and shit like they want to storm the that's easy. A little piece of shit. I was like like, you are right.

I maybe I need to wake up. All right, let's move on. To put this bluntly, my boyfriend of four years has a very nice, very large dick and I want to have anal with him. But I'm scared. I've done anal in the past with previous boyfriends, but their penises.

Peni Questionmark them for all this. We went to a different school. Yeah, I don't know. It doesn't matter.

I just like dicks. They were more but friendly. Okay. Smaller. We are pretty kinky in the bedroom. Did it. Any tips or advice. Anal with a huge dick.

Mandy on that. Yeah that's dilators was mine so yeah I would say definitely do the butt plugs like their anal training kits. Also be wary of what you eat that day like you don't if you don't want to make a mess. But to me it's so more so trusting your partners like there's been dicks that have been so big. And I was like, oh, you ain't fitting in there. But when I relax and he's snorting this over seriously, like where I feel like no way you're going to fit because it stretches my vagina.

Like, no way you're going to fit in that hole. Right. I got to make sure I've been surprised at what you able to do. But it's more so about trusting your partner. I feel like I have to fart just talking about. No, I'm telling you, it's more so about also just being relaxed. I was about to say that about me when I've had anal. That was easy. It was because I was so relaxed and loose.

You do needs a little bit of lubra Xanax. I was going to say Xanax. And if you can't get your hands on a Xanax, poppers. Right.

So these are that's what I gave my bag when you have them in my bag because I was just hanging out with my. Were you going to give us that with no plan B? No, I don't even want them in there. But I'm just saying they're in there. I'm ready to go in there. So poppers, if you guys don't know, it's some kind of mixture, right?

Well, you ask for leather cleaner at the sex store because pop is a quote unquote illegal thing to ask wearing nail polish remover.

It's acetone. No way. I mean, look at us. Yeah, no, I don't. Is it illegal, those poppers? Oh, no. In some places they won't hand it to you. You'd have to ask for leather cleaner or certainly you can't go in and say, can I get poppers? So it's a jar. It's a slang term.

It says Akello nitrates. You inhale it.

I just will tell you guys this. When I used to go to the gay clubs and like, they would be passing around, propers would be like, oh, we're snorting this, but I do it. It's just this bottle. And basically it gives you a rush to your head that's supposed to come the intense fucking right. It really is. You're like incapacitated for about fifteen seconds. It's just instant. But what it does is it allows for the entry point.

So like literally should do the poppers while someone's about to enter you because the entry that sphincter muscle is tighter than the rest of your ass. Right. So that's a really good point.

You fucking is it true if I once it did it still listen, not be relaxed. No one is in the loop. I don't be doing a little exercise. I just be like if I just said go oh OK. So yeah I kind of like when you say when it's first coming out like you know it's different going out. They're going in. OK, well I'm not going to compare going in my ass to shit coming out. I mean.

Maybe that's how sometimes I've taken shits and I've looked and I've been like I could definitely find. OK. Oh, for sure. How did that go? I mean, I've I've had you're telling me when you've done anal, you never like.

Did I just take a dump?

No, because when I'm done now, I feel like everything's about to fall out of me, OK, because I've been doing it where I'm like, did something just come out?

Oh, no, no. I've done that's where I'm OK. Look at this. She claims that your booty hole goes back to normal.

It does go back to normal because we had an email where a bitch said it didn't. Mandy, I don't know what she did.

She probably fuck that guy. OK, this is going to be your last question, OK? Hi, Sophia.

Long time listener. First time caller. Hey, what's up?

OK, so my boyfriend and I are both prone to cold sores, oral L'Oréal.

We are pretty paranoid whenever one of us has one and usually try to avoid kissing and oral sex. Obviously we still like to fuck relying on toys and lube. So I'm trying to think of how best to initiate sex without kissing too much mouth action. Do you have any advice?

So, I mean, I've had coleslaw. I have to. Yeah, my whole life I've gotten so good question. It it's crazy because like my sister too, she had cold sores, young. I just started getting them as an adult. Really no experience as a child with them. But I would say because I had one even with my partner recently. And first off, I just loved how he was just like he didn't give up being beautiful.

Thank you. Because I saw that same thing I've gone over my whole life. Everything came down there. I don't think it would be the same. But I yes, I mean, it's a difficult it has. And unfortunately, I guess it's a gift and a curse. Cold sores is something that we've normalized. What? Well, because because we've normalized by calling it cold sores, but herpes has such a negative fucking stigma attached to it. But once it is HSV one.

So mind you, if you guys look into it, there's about eight actually HIV. So there's eight eight. So you can get herpes simplex virus for those of you who are listening. Yeah. Is what HSV is. Right. So one is your mouth too is your genitals. And then there's like three through eight, which ironically you can actually get herpes anywhere where there's moisture so you can have herpes in your armpit. Oh wow.

You got your feet when you get tested, if you get a blood test, it'll it'll show HSV one and two. Yeah. Right. It'll don't have like a greater sign or less than sign because we all have it somehow dormant. Exactly. So it's nothing to be insecure about. I think it's just having a partner that's, you know, mature enough to understand.

But my advice would be making out with other parts of the body that can't contract a virus like neck tits, like everything we don't really like.

I have you have a lot of cold. I'm not going to like a closer cause. My mouth is out of commission. I'm out of commission. No, I don't I don't think, as I said one because. Well, so that's going to hurt. Well, not only does it hurt, right? So not only does it hurt, but like so even growing up in a household when my sister would get it, she had one fork, one on one go.

So because it's contagious. So the thing is, if you're kissing someone's neck and then they go and touch your neck and touch your pussy, the mouth is off limits. Do not you know, you can't get anything out for this one and you can do anything. I know this. I would yeah. I would say honestly, I'm well, mouth to mouth is how I think mouth is out. And I think there I think sometimes like sex can be really fucking hot when you're not allowed to kiss each other and treat me like a dirty little bitch and a slut and a prostitute.

I just walked in here and you don't want to kiss me and show me emotion.

There's something hot about that, you know. And another thing, too, if we can't, you spit. A lot of people got to destigmatize the idea of lube.

Like people freak out. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't think lube is crazy, but.

And maybe they're getting older. Well, no, I know you don't believe my man got so many around, so it's crazy because do see it. So what's crazy is he recently told me I have the widest vagina he's ever had sex with. And he's also my message to you. My went fucking crazy. I'm not going to lie. So he likes it, but I want to try and get out of a car. No, but I'm not going to lie.

We use lube. So when he gave me this compliment, I was like, Nigga, you really think that because we use lube bottle has been there for you? No, we've gone through we've used multiple bottles of wine, but for for your vegetable elcano. And so when he told me, like, my pussy was wet, I'm not going to let a huge insecurity through the whole relationship was like, damn, this thing.

I think I got a dryas pussy because. Right. Him being a grown ass man that he is, he was like, I use it because I know that we go. So long, because I told you he'd before me five times, he's like, I know that it can become painful for you. I love the friction we got is the best thing for a long time.

A lot of men don't aren't concerned with the fact that, yes, of course, a lot of women want want men to go for a long time. But there's friction in and it becomes painful, irritate irritated days.

This is a large complaint from film stars. Only fans, girls and porn stars that have sex on camera is that they're going so long and the men are never concerned with how it makes them feel. And this is also not to say that, like, your pussy can't get wet enough and it's a lot of shame around, like how well your pussy should be round the rounds.

But also if you're if you have a fan or an AC unit blowing on your pussy, Daniel, join up anything or this or there are certain times of the month where you're banned for no reason tabulating your ovulation time, like for no reason. You're like, no sudheer obviously no, because your body wants to have a fucking baby, because that's why you're like, you guys got what I'm saying. No, but you're you're right.

And so I brought up the issue. I know Mandy uses it. I've used it as well.

But I can be sexy.

And it's like, yeah, hand jobs are so antiquated and they shouldn't be because it could be as sexy as you want to make it. Yeah. And it's like if you moved it up, like with a handjob and a dirty talk, I think that could be fun. But I'm a big person on mutual masturbation too. Yeah. Love like masturbating together, mutual masturbation.

And you know what, the handjob I, I actually have a full segment on this that I will just tell the next episode, but like he can me hot as fuck and see.

There you go. There's your advice there. We all want to use your mouth. Do you can. Yeah. Do a handjob. OK, I think like that is great.

I think we covered this because cum bubbles. I don't know what it's like in the Rams level of a. Com bubble where we really meant to say spit bubble. No, I meant to say come back. We were talking about you have offloads on our show before about how like when you're getting throat fucked or like, you know, your throat is getting braids or whatever, so I can dig the bubbles can come out when it's too much. And so if you're, like, upside down, getting throat fucked like a porn star shit off the bed, you can snort it up.

You know, also if you're like, oh, you're just sucking a dick regularly, you got to leave your nose. You could, like, put out you could do a little like, oh, spit through your nose. Well, you could do that. Or or if they come, has a guy ever came in your mouth and it was like a lot of oh God. Oh, why don't you like put it back out on the that's the.

Com bubble too. I feel like I do that every time you spit it back out. I think so. I try to make it Sofia. I try to spit it out and play with it as well. You know, this is so high and it's like I just don't want it like in my tummy.

Tim, is that is that a way to do it? You do things to me I don't really know. And I think it's so hard to catch every drop. Can you get someone to come on my tummy? I guys, that's it. All right. These are this is Mandy and we are here. Help you do we do like a hot jazz player currently. You know what Sundance is in Utah. I mean, it probably won't be happening this year, but we will go in the bathroom.

You could just go the season. You know, maybe if we go to Utah, fans with a covid says, OK, well, we will blend our world. They're going to do a little bit of drugs, but we do a little NBA player. Let's hope you guys let's you for some NBA player to have any NBA players listening, slide into my DMS or man, easy. And I have a boy. Sorry, not Mandy. Wesleyan's, if you are available.

OK, guys, horrible decisions are podcast, literally. It's so fucking funny and they talk wild. Yeah but I hear you and I will see you guys next week. Bageye. Bye.