Look, I got a new fancy watch.

It looks very nice.

I got a fancy man watch.

Is that expensive?

It was moderately expensive. Do you know Brian Baumgartner has a huge watch collection?

This, I don't doubt. The man rolls like... He is lush, you know?

That's why he's all up in the cameo all the time. He's got to pay for his watch collection.

Dave Keckner told me one time, he said, When the sun comes up, I am spending money. He has a big family.

Yeah, he's got five Brian's only got two, but he's got an enormous watch collection and needs some tendon.

He has some habits.

But do you know how big watch culture is online? Because I just wanted to look up something about this watch that I got. And now, because of the algorithm, on my YouTube channel, I'm just getting all these watch reviews and people pulling out the $50,000 Bling, Rolex.

It's me and Hummingbird. That's it. There's this guy in the Pacific Northwest in Oregon. He's the Hummingbird guy.

Does Did you do like time-laps cameras and slow-mo? All kinds of stuff, yes.

They're like...

Did you see the documentary?

Their times are like...

Anything with otters is just like, Oh my God. They're so cute. They're so cute.

Stinky, though. Have you ever been up close with an otter?

I haven't been up close with an otter.

I have She said an otter.

That's what she said. That doesn't quite work. What? It didn't quite work. Where on her body is the otter? It's just a euphemism for a stinky hairy part of the body. What? Raind Wilson.

Raind Wilson. Not that.

No. The penis, not the vagina. God, woman, get your mind out of the gutter.

Oh, my God.

Oh, Lordy. So tell me, they stink in person?

Well, they just love a lot of smelly foods. Right. Avalonies. They come up and they take it and they eat it. It's like flamingos. Have you ever gone and seen some flamingos?

There's a lot of scat.

There's a lot.

Yeah, there's a lot of poop. They're pink and they're gorgeous.

Gorgeous. Stinko. Yeah. Yeah.

That is a problem. We have two pigs, as you know. I do. Snorty and Amy. Yeah. And guess what? They don't smell. They don't smell. Because pigs don't smell. They don't. They like to roll in mud. True. But you can just hug them and snuggle them and pet their bellies. And there's some dirt there, but no smell. And they're clean. I mean, it's weird. Other than the mud on them, they're clean. Do you know what I mean? Like, they pee in the corner. They don't smell.

And they're very They're tidy.

They're tidy, and they're appropriate. Right.

They're so adorable. You don't eat bacon anymore, right? Didn't you say you stopped? I thought you told me you got attached to your pigs and you stopped eating bacon.

I did tell you that. So Angela. Hey there. It's me, Raine Wilson, and I want to dig into the human experience. I want to have conversations about a spiritual revolution. Let's get deep with our favorite thinkers, friends, and entertainers about life, meaning, and idiacy. Welcome to the Soul Boom podcast. Thanks for coming on the Soul Boom podcast, Angela Kinsey.

Thanks for having me, Rain Wilson.

God, did I meet you 20 years ago, almost? God, really? Yeah. We started filming the pilot in January of 2004.

That was a long time ago.

By the time this comes out, it will be 20 years.

It's weird to interview someone you've known so long, right?

20 years.

Our friendship is older than some people watching.

That's pathetic.

We're old.

But this is a different conversation and a different podcast. I'm hoping to get to know a different part of you and to help share that with the folks. Okay. But when we were talking the other day about, we have so many things in common. It's almost crazy. Going down the list, one of them is you and I both lived in foreign countries as a child.

That's right.

That's crazy.

We both have a ring I had a ring worm story.

I didn't have a ring worm. I had intestinal worms that came out of my butthole when I took the right, the appropriate medication, as I wrote about in the basoon Yes. They would occasionally come out in my underpants squirming around when I was a child. Did you know this? Did I tell you this? One time, one came out, and then I plucked it out of my underwear.

You reached under. Didn't you feel it? Yes.

I was about four years old, and I held it up, and it was white. It was as white and pale as you can possibly imagine. It was like Jim Gaffigan level. I mean, sorry. That's so I just did you the handle Jim Gaffigan. It was. Then I threw it down, and then we were living in Nicaragua, and my stepmom was like, kill it, kill it. These kids came out with a shovel, and they were stabbing the worm. She was like, Don't touch it. It's Dirty.. They were like, kill it.

Isn't it funny how that turns up? Did it turn for you? Did you have a moment where you were like, that's gross. Then when they went out of it, you were like, Okay, maybe not.

You should take it easy on them. That used to be a part of my body. What are you doing? He lived in my intestine for months. Let's move on.

Let's go back. What foreign country did you live in? I lived in Indonesia, and my sister got a tape worm. I did not.

A tape worm? You didn't get any worms?

I didn't get any worms.

Okay. Did you have any strange diseases? I also had amoebic dysentery. Top that.

I didn't. I didn't. Okay. I can't top it.

Indonesia is next to Malaysia and the Philippines down there, right?

Yeah, it's near Singapore, Australia.

What island were you on or city or town?

I was in Jakarta. Okay. The island of Java.

Okay. And do you speak any Indonesian?

. I said, I've forgotten a lot.. Right now, I'm talking to my friend.

How many years did you live in Indonesia?

Twelve years..

Can you say- Probably not. Whatever you're going to say. I don't know. Help, there's an elephant in my kitchen. I don't know. Somebody get me a Waffle iron. No. You can't say that?

I can't say that.

I forgot to- Can you say, Hello, my name is Angela.

. Angela. Okay, Well done. But I've forgotten the word for elephant.

But what do you remember about this Texan family, Texan oil family? Your dad worked in the oil industry and went over- Louisiana and Texas. To go get oil out of Indonesia.

Yeah, he He was a drilling engineer, and he was transferred there in the '70s. It was a very small expat community at that time. Most of my friends were from all over the world, and it was magical. I look back on it now with such fond memories. I think about all of it, and it plays out so vividly in my mind.

Were there monkeys? Yes. Here's the thing.

We had field trips. My school had a field trip, but we went to an orangutang sanctuary. But orangutang is orang hutaan, which orang is person, and hutaan is forest. It's like person of the forest.

Wow. Forest person. Like creed. Yeah. Like creed.

Like creed run. And I, whatever. I feel like the places that we went to, we would go out to the Thousand Islands, Capulansaribu.

Is that where they came up with the salad dressing?

That's so American. That must be where my dress Where's it from? Yes.

I'm American.

I'm American. Yes. In Indonesia, they were like, Let's find a dressing. No, it's just it's a, you know. It's manies and ketchup, by the way. It is. With a little bit of pickle? No?

I don't know. Optional.

That's like special sauce.

Yeah, that's like a Burger King sauce or something like that. That's a special sauce. Sorry, I keep interrupting you. No. But it's fun. And you know I love you. I love it. So what other memories of Indonesia?

The islands, the thousand islands. Okay. You're of salad Dressing Islands. We would go out there all the time. I remember waking up hearing a noise and went out, and the trash can was made of wood. It went like this. It had a little wood lid, and there was a Komodo dragon coming out of it. He was taking our trash.

Komodo dragon eating your garbage. Yes. That's amazing.

I remember we got... I feel like so many of my memories are animals, but I was a kid. There was noise in the ceiling, and there was a mongoose in the ceiling.

A mongoose in the ceiling? Mm-hmm.

My My parents were trying to teach me the value of a dollar, so I would get an allowance in rupia, and they would make me convert that to US dollars and see how far my money would go. They came home one day, and my mom heard this really loud noise. I saved up my rupia, and I bought two batak parrots because this man was walking by, and he had parrots, so I used all my allowance and bought these parrots. And my mom had these little tiny budgery guards, what our Australian friends call them. I think they're like parakeets. She had a little atrium with all these budgery guards, and we would sit and have breakfast and look at the budgery guards. There was a little waterfall, trickle rock thing. They would wash themselves in. I released the the Batak parrots into this little atrium, and there was devastation. Yeah.

Who attacked who?

Oh, the botox parrots. They killed them all. They killed all the little guys. Then they started taking the atrium apart, like pulling In a park.

I was like, oh my God. When you live in tropical places, the animal life is much richer and much closer, right? Because we lived in Nicaragua. We had a pet sloth for a while. No. Yeah. And true story, sloths are really strong and very slow. So we would put it in its cage at night, close the cage. In the morning we would wake up, the cage bars had been pulled open and the sloth was nowhere to be found. But my dad would go and somewhere within a 30-foot radius, he would find it because it's not going away. He's trying to get away really slow. He would take the sloth and put it back in the cage and go bend it and just repeat over and over It was like Groundhog Day with a sloth. But we had a monkey that came into the kitchen repeatedly and would try and eat our sugar. We had a parrot named Jose, and he only said Jose. Jose. Lizards everywhere. Chaka-block with lizards. Lizards, yeah.

The first time I was on David Letterman, that was like such a big deal. Our show was pretty new, and we hadn't done a lot of talk shows. And the segment producer was like, We see you grew up in Indonesia. Do you have any stories about monkeys? I said, Well, I have one story. And he was like, Great, great. Dave's going to love this. I was like, prepared the beats of my story. It was basically my friend Becky, who was from Canada. Her family had a- Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, You have to hear what he said, though, because we always talk about, Oh, you get your beats of a story, right? And you're prepared. Yes. So Becky from Canada, her family, they adopted a one-arm gibbon monkey, okay? They made a big...

Why are we laughing? That's a gibbon.

This is horrible.

Get it?

That's a pun. That's a gibbon. They made this enclosed atrium by their breakfast table. It had trees. You could see the monkey- Filled with spider monkeys, and that gibbon ripped them apart. I was like, devastated. So Becky was like, You got to come meet the monkey. So I went in the cage, and I was sitting next to Becky, and the monkey started going through my hair, and Becky thought that It was funny, and I hit her. I was like, Stop laughing. And the monkey went, attacked me.

Because you did a slaparoo.

I did a slap, and it came at me, and it was trying to bite me, and I was like, Get it off me. I ran out, and then that monkey hated me. From then on. From then on, whenever I would go by the window, if it was really upset, it would swing by. Whatever upset it, but I was one of the things, it would swing by, and it would open its legs, and it would just piss on the window.

It would just be- When you came by, the monkey would piss in your general direction.

It would swing by and piss at me. And I told that story- Like Creed Bratten. Like Cree Brett. And poor Cree, he's going to be like, Hey. So I told that story on Letterman, got a big laugh, and then it went quiet, and he goes, Why did I have one arm?

That was not in your prepared story beats.

I was like, I think it swung on a power line, and the whole crowd went, Oh.

And then you lost them. Then they hated you.

Then I was like, Oh, no. Like, Oh, animal I know.

Here at Soul Boom, we're trying to dig into deep, beautiful, exquisite, wonderful, difficult, scintillating human conversations about being a human being. We have so much else in common, and I want to segue to something else that we both have in common. And this is a very awkward segue, but I think it's important.

Like Life is awkward.

Life is awkward. Awkward pauses fill the office. So let's go there. We both lost our fathers. Mine was a little over three years ago. Yours was nine years ago, right? Yeah. And how has that affected you? Because I find for me, it's the first real deep palpable death that I've experienced. I've lost some friends along the way, but someone so primal to me. I know my father was just so important to me growing up, and your father was so incredibly important to you. What was that grief process like, and what is it like today, all these years later?

Well, I think the thing is that it's just always with you. I feel like I carry my grief every day, and some days I can set it aside, but it's sneaky. Some days I just will be somewhere. I was in the grocery store, and I saw something he liked, this cookie that he liked. I didn't even think they had him in California. I just instantly just remembered this memory of him. I got a little choked up in the grocery store. That's how grief is. It's always there. It's always a part of you. It feels like a It's like a wave, doesn't it?

Sometimes I experience it like just a wave. I was in my office not long ago, and I was thinking about something. Maybe it was a photo on the iPhone came up or something like a something and it triggered it. I just started to cry and it was in my office. Then my assistant came by. It was like an office moment. I was like, and the assistant came by with some papers by my door and saw me and was like, and then walked away. I was like, It's okay. It's okay. I'm just grieving my dead father.

Yeah, it is. It's like that.

And then a minute or two later, it was gone. Yeah.

I remember having reactions to things you don't think you'll react to or have attachments to things you didn't think you'd be attached to. My dad had helped me set up my daughter's bedroom, and I had gotten the little wooden block letters that spell out her name, Isabelle, and he had hung them for me. I remember we'd spent a lot of time. Should it go this or like that? And he hung them for me. And we were going to have her room painted. And years later, she wanted... She was older, wanted to update her room. And she wanted to take the letters off. She's a teenager now. Yeah. And I mean, out of nowhere, I was like,.

Oh, God. I was like, My dad hung those.

And then life goes on, and you take the his letters off and you... Oh, but, man, do I miss him? You know what I miss so much? I just, and it totally makes me teary whenever I think of it, but I miss his voice so much. He was the person I would call. He was my life anchor. But my mom, he had left the outgoing message on our home machine. They still have that big old honking home machine. Yeah, with the cassette tape in it. Yeah. And she's never changed it. So sometimes when I miss him, I call and he answers the phone. Yeah, but I'm so thankful. At the same time, you have this grief, and then you have gratitude. I think grief and gratitude really go hand in hand if you can just appreciate what you had and the time you had.

Do we have a Kleenex anywhere?

Sorry.

We're going to talk about dead dads.

I'm going to go talk about my dad. I'm going to need a roll of toilet paper.

No, you're really fine. It's not a makeup thing. I just wanted to make sure that you had... In case you felt But don't leave that there. It's in the shot, weirdo. Hey, everybody. It's me, Raine. I want to share something with you. I have gone through periods of my life where I have felt a little bit lost in the chaos, in the anxiety. I often am searching for some clarity, so I want to share something really special. It's an app called Waking Up. This is founded by the great Sam Harris. You've heard of Sam Harris. He's also a neuroscientist. Waking Up is an incredible arsenal, is the best way to describe it, of mindfulness, meditation, so many resources for mental health, all grounded in secular techniques, and it has approaches baked into it that actually work. There's so many different tools for my spiritual toolbox, and I really can't recommend it more highly. Soul Boom listeners can get their first month for free, plus you'll save $30 on the in-app price. If you go to wakingup. Com/soul boom, you can start your free month today. That's wakingup. Com/soul Soul Boom to get a free month plus $30 off.

Hey, everybody.

It's me, Reine. The chapter in your book where you wrote about your dad, and that was so powerful for me, Reine. I was so thankful you shared it because I think a lot of times in grief, sometimes you can feel alone in your grief. But I just think when other people share about it, it can be really helpful.

That's really beautiful. I think the thing that moves me the most when I think about my dad. It's something that I wasn't grateful for until he passed away, and that's where it gets a little difficult. I realized that my dad was the guy. He always made every room he went into a better place. So any room he went into, he would go to the store, he would go to the coffee shop, he'd go to the Trader Joe's, he would come to a Baha'i gathering or whatever. He would always be like, Hey, how's everybody? How are you? It's so nice to see you. Oh, that looks really nice. He's always got a compliment, a joke, something uplifting. He never came in and was like, he never sucked energy from the room. Always just giving, giving. And that was his way. He did it very consciously as a service to bring joy and connection wherever he went. And that's something like when he passed, I was like, God, he always did that. I don't always do that. Sometimes it's hard to believe I can be a dick. And I realized I want to emulate that about him.

I want to be that person that when I go, people will be like, Raine always of uplifted a room and brightened a room and connected with people. I feel like grief is something that our culture doesn't do very well. That's why I wanted to bring this up with you, this topic. And it's not something we talk about or discuss. It's death is verbotim. Oh, it's dark. It's depressing. We can't talk about it. But like you say, it goes hand in hand with gratitude, and it goes hand in hand with life. So we appreciate life. The reason that so many Native American traditions would say, Today is a good day to die, is because they weren't going to go die that day. We're on the field of battle, necessarily. They were like, Am I ready to die? Have I cleaned up my messes? Am I in gratitude and thankfulness for this life that I have? So what have you learned about grief from your losses and the losses of your friends?

Well, one of the One of those things I think I had to have compassion for is that everybody griefs differently. And even within my own family, I have three sisters. We experience loss with a few family members, and not just my dad. My nephew passed away as well a year after my dad. How I grieve and how you grieve, it's probably not the same, but we have to make for each other because everyone crosses it differently. And I, at that time, I was very... I was protective of my dad's memory. I wanted to just hold all... No, this is how he said that, and that's how he did this, and this is how... And we're not going to change this. We're not going to change... I was just holding all of this desperately. And one of my sisters was more about, We can go through things, and we can give things away. And I was like, No, no, no, no, wait. She was doing her own grieving. She was sorting through things. I don't know. It's taught me to have compassion in a way, because there might be someone in your family that sits there quietly, and then the person right next to you is a mess.

But it doesn't mean that they're not feeling a deep river of sorrow.

And some people can feel stuck in their grief, right? Yeah. I know for me, I've lost dear friends and their spouses. I feel like it's a year and a half later and they're not moving on. But who knows how it's going to take as long as it's going to take. I hope people get help and talk it out and join a grief group and get support. You have to feel the feelings to let them out. And that can be really hard. If you're holding your feelings in check all the time. It's going to stay longer as opposed to the only way out is through.

Well, I also felt like my daughter was young, and she kept connecting me to the now. I kept wanting to be in the past. I kept wanting to be just holding on to these memories. But then she'd be like, I need a snack. I'm hungry. Kind of like, Hey, I'm here. I had been having a really hard time after his funeral, and She turned to me one day and she said, Mama, it's really hard to have a sad mama. I just was like, Okay, it's perfectly normal to have emotions and to show your emotions to your children and grieve, but I've got to now get on with living. My dad would want me to do that. I have people to care for. He loved caring for people. That was his love language, was to take care of you. If we went out on the farm it was muddy, mom would make us kick our shoes off by the back door. When we'd come back through the door, they'd be spotless. He would have been out there cleaning all of our shoes. Wow. Yeah. He was just a very love by action and doing. So I was like, It's time to get to doing things.

He would have wanted that.

You know, one of the things I wanted to talk to you about today was family. Because I was thinking about, I come from much more of a broken family than you, like multiple divorces and remarriages and stuff like that. In that sense, it's a blended family that I currently have three step... I have a mom and two stepmoms.

Okay.

So my birth mother and then the stepmom that basically raised me and then the stepmom that was married to my dad when he passed. My dad's a widow. I'm close with all of them, and it's interesting.

Yeah.

Raine had three mothers. That's your next book. That's my next book. My Three Moms. That's our next- It's a sitcom.

Hey, I get to be one of them. Hey. I'm the Short Mom. That's weird. Wait, no, wait.

I can't be your mom. You're younger than I am. That's crazy. But you have a I love your family so much. You have such a beautiful but blended family, and so many people have blended families these days. What's that like?

I was completely done. I was done. I was like, okay, I had a marriage.

You had a marriage? You had a child?

I had a child. I'm just going to... This is it. And I think that's obviously when life surprises you and you meet someone and you're like, wait, I wasn't going to do this again. And so I had my daughter. He had two sons. It was very like the braided bunch. And the kids just got along so well. They were just buddies. And I'm so thankful for it. I feel like Isabel and I, we We had a home, but they made us a family. And it's that delightful chaos. It's running up and down the stairs and someone throwing the ball and one of our mini pets freaking out and darting this way and someone yelling, You took my sweatshirt. It's all of that. I think that's what I always wanted. I wanted all of that. The cacophony of a family. I'm really thankful what the boys brought out of my daughter. She and I, it's very funny, when we all first started to live together, we would play dolls, we would color. And then she was like, Mama... One time, she was like, Should we wrestle? And I was like, Yeah. And we were just like,.

And then Josh and the boys move in, and they play this game called Fist of Furry. They made it up. And basically, the boys just run at Josh, my husband, as hard as they can. And as they get to him, he just picks them up and he throws him on the couch, and they come in him again, and he picks him up and throws him on the couch. Over and over. They love that. So when they first started playing this, Isabel was like, Mama, what they doing? And I was like, I don't know. I think this is wrestling. This is wrestling. And she was like, Josh, Can I do it? Can I do it? And he was like, Sure, Isabel. And she came at him and he said, I was so scared. He was like, Oh, God. She was like this praying mantis. She was like,.

He was like, Oh, my God.

So we had all of these ways that our family blended together that were so fun and surprising. I feel like family is a safe space. It's a place where you have shared history. And when you're a blended family, you're creating a new history, and that can be really fun.

Expanding a vision of family, I think, is really important. That means families can be difficult. The most difficult challenges we face in our lives can come from family, right? Because you care about them. You're close. There's differences.

There's- Familiarity breeds contempt.

There's a lot of that going on, but we do need to expand our view of family beyond the biological and not just to people that are like us. But I mean, really, we're a human family. I'm sorry to sound like a hippie, but we are, seven billion of us on this, sharing the resources of this planet. I like the hippie side of you. It's very real. Family means you will sacrifice your love, time, attention, status, and comfort for the well-being of others. That's what we do for our family, and we have to expand that circle so that we're doing that for the poor, the dispossessed, the immigrant, the outsider, the unloved, and we are making an ever-expanding circle.

That was beautiful. That was beautiful.

That's why I have a podcast, and you don't.

Good night, everybody. That's your mic drop. The mics are too expensive.

Don't talk them. Don't drop those mics. I wanted to bring up family with you as well because, and again, going back to this list of what we have in common, we have I mean, the Office cast, I really feel like is a family, was a family. E. J.

Always says office family forever.

That's what he always says. Yeah. People say, what do you miss about the office? Obviously, well, I just miss that office family. I mean, the amount of love and camaraderie that we had on the set was astonishing in that little group. It's still holding true 10 years later. Yeah.

We still have a text thread.

We've got a text thread.

Office Peeps.

Office Peeps.

Who named it? It's called Office Peeps.

I don't know who started it. I know. Yeah.

But we all check in. My favorite is when out of nowhere, we get a text from Creed. Remember, he made a little Christmas song one time, and he filmed himself, and he was singing.

Oh, yeah. Do you remember that one? He sent it to us. Yeah.

One time, he sent me a picture of himself with a hairless cat. No explanation. Yeah. I always get random Creed things. Yeah. That's fantastic. We're a family. We are a family.

But the other family that's been created out of this are office fans, too. Yeah. And that's been astonishing. I always tell this story. We started the office, we weren't trying to be of service to anyone or help assuage their mental health issues and their anxiety or create a community or bonds of love or a solace for people that they would watch episodes before they'd fall asleep or like Billy Eilish, watch episodes from the moment they wake to the moment they go to sleep. We didn't really, we just wanted to get a paycheck and pay off student loans and maybe buy a house or just be on a TV show.

Yeah, I was so excited. I bought a Honda. Remember, I had that old Chevy Blazer, and we were filming Booze Cruise, and I turned right, and my front left tire went that way. Oh, my gosh.

I vaguely remember that.

Yeah, but that's what we were thinking. We were like, oh, my gosh, we got a job.

But what's it, especially for you, because you've created yet another family with office ladies. I mean, you and Jenna met on the set. First season became like BFFs. Yeah. And immediately, and now you- You teased us all the time. Yes, I did. And how did I tease you?

Tell the audience at home. Okay. So we would walk and we'd be talking. And as we walked by, Rain would go, click, click, click, click, God, I was such a dick.

Can you tell the story about how I wouldn't say hello to the crew?

Oh, this is legend. This is Rain Wilson legend. So one day we were on set. It was like a Monday afternoon, and you had already done a lot of your like, Hey, good morning. How was your weekend? Good morning. How was your weekend? And then you just turned to everyone. It was 11:00 AM, and someone must have said to you, Hey, Reine, how's your weekend? And you're like, Can we all just be done? Can we be done? I'm fine on Monday morning. If you want to say good morning, great. And then, How's your weekend? Okay. But by Tuesday, no. You can't ask me about my weekend anymore. I'm done. In fact, maybe we just say good morning on Monday, and then we don't have to say good morning the rest of the week. You just fractured and all this just came out of you. And it was to the whole bullpen, and everyone was like- And the crew, too.

Yeah, the crew. I remember. I'll never forget the look on Dale's face.

Dale was like, We just said good morning.

But here's the deal, and people don't understand this. I'm a relatively private person. I like to be social occasionally, and I'm coming in and doing my work. And when you're on a set, there's like 50 crew members all around. There's hair and makeup and transportation and security and- It's a little over 100 people.

Yeah.

And there's accounting and there's a camera department and electrics and grips and the list goes on and on. And so you come in. Good morning. Hey, Bobby. Good morning. Hey, good. Good. Really good. How was your weekend? Good. Hey, Cindy. Oh, good. Yeah, really good. And it goes on and on And then it's Tuesday. Morning, Rain, how was your evening last night?

And you were just like- I went home and I had dinner and I watched Lost, and then I went to sleep.

How was yours, Cindy?

And then two steps later, Hey, Rain, catch up football game?

And then it's Wednesday. And it's like Groundhog Day all over again. It's like, enough. Monday morning.

Good morning.

How was your weekend?

You get one day, you said. You said one day where we exchange pleasantries.

And then Tuesday through Friday, there's no more- Nothing.

Silence.

And it worked. People did- They backed off you. They backed off a little bit. I did get a bad reputation for that. You did a little bit. I'm sorry. But anyways, you had BFFs with Jenna. That's wonderful. That's delightful. I know.

My cat. I think you actually said, do you guys... You said to us, how do you word it? You were like, how do you have anything left to talk about?

It's so true. But you doing Office Ladies, is that what it's called? Office Girls?

Office Ladies. You stop it. You know the name.

You guys have created another mini office. There's office lovers. There's office lovers who also are lovers of office ladies, and that's a really passionate community. Those people, they will die for you.

They're the best. They are so awesome. They are so awesome. They are so awesome. And they love the show, and they love getting to know the cast and crew and behind the scenes stories. They've just been so wonderful. Jenna and I are humbled by it because we get to hang out. We get to be best friends. We get to talk about this amazing chapter of our lives. And now we have this community We just feel so fortunate.

But again, going back to family, what an interesting phenomenon it has been for me over the years. I mean, it started right away with the office, but especially five years after we ended when it It was at the height of the Netflix, and all of a sudden you just had this other wave of popularity and people saying how much The Office meant to them. And their parents were getting a divorce, or their friend had cancer, or the struggles and difficulty And they would watch the office and it would give them such hope and such light in their hearts. And like I said, we didn't go in trying to build that. But what has that been like for you to realize that we were a part of something that made millions of people's lives better. Sorry, I'm not trying to brag, but it's just true.

Well, I mean- And we brought a little laughter. A little laughter, a little escape. We all talk about this as a cast that it is just wild to me. It really is. I never thought I would be part of something that big. I think of shows that brought my family together. We I don't have, what's it called, destination television anymore, where it's like, Okay, everybody, Thursday at eight o'clock. If you don't watch it Thursday at eight, it's gone. It's gone, yeah. Right? So everyone gathered around. But I feel like with people being able to rewatch the shows, their parents are showing The Office to their kids. I have so many parents come up to me and say, My kid's a teenager. We don't do that much together anymore because they have their friends and their lives, but we watch the office together. And I know you get that, too. And I love that. I love the idea that we're a part of something that brings people together. It's just not lost on me how rare that is.

Here's my least favorite question. Well, whenever I do some event, I always say, My favorite episode is the injury, and I say, why? Steve Carel is wonderful to work with. My favorite prank is when they took my desk into the bathroom. I knock off the questions that everyone asks. But the other question that everyone asks is, How are you like Dwight? In what ways are you like Dwight? It's just so dumb. It's like, just look at some videos of me in life having conversations and then watch Dwight, and then see. You could see for yourself. Have you ever said to an audience of people, dumb question, next? I'm going to do that. I'm going to do that next time. I'm going to be like, you fucking idiot. Are you fucking kidding? No. Just watch the office and then watch an interview with me. You tell me. You tell me how I like my character. I don't know. I'm living it from the inside. But I do want to ask you this, and forgive me because I know that there's an annoying factor or quotient to this question, but You grew up Christian.

Yes.

And had a very loving, wholesome relationship with the church, with prayer.

My mom taught Sunday school. She still teaches a Tuesday Ladies Bible Study.

Oh, that's beautiful. You infamously, especially for the first, I don't know, four years of the show, were like the uptight Christian cat lady.

I mean, that was literally labeled that by Roy.

Yeah. What Was it like playing up tight Christian chic versus you having this very warm, meaningful relationship with your faith and your family? Obviously, you're just playing a funny and that added something to the ensemble that made her memorable and prickly and interesting. But did that ever bump up against you in any way? Or did you have any frisome around that?

Yeah, actually, there were one or two times where there would be a joke written for her that I thought was just really stereotypical, maybe one note. I like to think of her as a full, well-rounded person. I do remember I remember there was a particular storyline between Angela and Oscar, where Angela was being super judgy. I never went up to Greg about any joke, but there was a joke at Oscar's expense, and I went up to Greg and I was like, I can't. She, I think Angela Martin invoked Jesus in the moment, and I just was like, I don't feel good about it. I don't feel good about that. I don't feel like that's what Jesus represented to me. And he was like, okay. And he heard me, and he took the joke out. And the episode, it was gay witch hunt, had so many already. But that's the one pivotal moment I remember being like, okay, this is feeling like a stereotype and very one note. I feel like she has more depth than that.

I mean, spirituality is one of the topics we're going to be diving into on Soul Boom. As you know, it's a topic, an issue I feel is under discussed, under-excavated. People have like, they hear spirituality because they either think church or they think like, woo, woo, crystals and incense. It's hard to unpack on a deeper level. But what does your faith mean to you? What was that like growing up with your mom? I know prayer was very important in your family.

Yeah, prayer is still important in my family. My mom gets up every morning and reads scripture and praise and praise over her family. That's something I grew up very familiar with. It's part of my life. We said grace at dinner time. We used to go around the table and my siblings and I, my dad made up this thing that if we went like that, we didn't have to say the grace. So you put your thumb, and if you put your thumb on the table, you didn't have to say it. So you'd be looking for the one person who wasn't paying attention. So basically, you just see a bunch of kids like this. But anyway, so just prayer has always been there.

And by the way, why do we only say grace around meals?

Why do we only give thanks at mealtime? Yeah.

I want to say grace right now.

Okay. Oh, I love that. Okay.

I'm going to say grace. Lord, we are grateful for the opportunity to have this podcast. I want to thank Mike and and the whole gang helping produce it. These beautiful microphones and this wonderful set that was created for Soul Boom. And one of my very first guests, I'm one of my favorite people on the planet, Angela Kinsey, for having this conversation None of this could happen without the bounty and wonder and Majesty of the universe that has brought us together in this moment to have this exact conversation, which I hope inspires people and uplifts them. I'm just so thankful to be able to be a part of this whole situation. Thank you, God.

Amen.

I like it. First time Grace has been said for a podcast.

That we know of.

That's true. Right? There's probably a lot of Christian podcasts out there.

There's many podcasts that are like, Rain, we pray. Let us pray. We start every podcast with prayer. I would say my prayer for you would just be that God go before you, that your steps are ordered, that God God bless you, and God knows your heart, and you have a heart for service.

Thank you. You're welcome.That's very sweet. I just want to give a big thank you and a gigantic shout out to one of our sponsors, the Fetzer Institute. In an era where mental health is a growing concern, Fetzer's insights into the role of spirituality and building resilience isn't just timely, it's essential. They offer hope for what so many of us are seeking. Thank you for your support, Fetzer. Visit them at fetzer. Org. You're welcome. Did you teach your kids to pray?

I pray a lot with my daughter. I think we've just done that from the beginning. My husband is not as religious, but I will say a prayer over all of us. I'll be like, especially before we go on a big trip, I'm like, All right, guys. It's just newer to my husband and sons, but they know that about me.

Hey, he married a Texan.

He married... What does that have to do with it?

Well, come on.

There are some people in Texas right now that are like, no rain. No. I am.

There's no atheists in Texas. Sure there are. They're electrocuted.

They are not. That's horrible. That is horrible. But I'm definitely between my husband and I, I'm the more religious person. Got it.

So One of the things the office family has done, and people talk about so much, is how much what a positive impact it's made on their mental health and how much it's helped their anxiety and depression and loneliness. And they do feel like the office cast is like their family. Have you encountered mental health struggles, either with yourself or in your family?

Well, I mean, my nephew that passed away a year after my dad, he We lost him to depression, and he just got into a dark place he couldn't come out of. I think about all the things I missed, all the signs I missed all the time. I want to make sure with my kids that they feel very comfortable talking to me, and especially with our sons, just having real open dialog and open communication and an open acceptance- About emotions, dark emotions. Emotions, yes. And also about mental health. I am very thankful. I feel like our community of parents and at the school, it's very accepting to talk about your mental health now. I know that's not everywhere, but I feel like our little nook where we live, people talk about it very openly, and kids are much more open to say if they've issues with anxiety or depression. I'm thankful for that for this generation. I hope that continues, that level of just dialog and normalizing the fact that we all struggle with different things. When you struggle with something, you want to get the tools that help you cope and help you deal with that.

And whatever those tools are, that shouldn't be anything you should be ashamed of. If you needed any help with anything else, if you needed a math tutor or someone to help you. If you made the basketball team, you need someone to help you work on your basketball skills.

But you're talking about really releasing that stigma around mental health, that that is something you can and should get help with. Absolutely. And that we all at certain points in our lives are going to need help with. And by the way, for viewers, listeners right there, if this is triggering, talking about suicide at all, if this is something you're thinking about, there's lots of help out there. And we're putting a suicide text line right here, chat line, phone number, reach out and get some help and get some counseling around it. Speaking of suicide and mental health, I think one of the biggest issues around it is that people feel like what they're feeling, that they're the only person feeling that way. Yes. And everyone is going about their... They go out in the world, everyone's cheery and going about their lives. You look on social media, everyone's looking sexy at the beach, curating their best and shiniest moments from their lives. And you have to understand. Because I've, as you know, been speaking about mental health stuff a lot recently in my own struggles and ups and downs. And people are so grateful because I think they're, to hear that, oh, a celebrity, wildly handsome celebrity like myself, would be struggling with anxiety, depression, or loneliness, or loneliness or addiction or any of these issues.

They're like, oh, I can relate. I think that means a lot. So It's super important to reach out and get help and understand that you really are not alone. You might feel alone like you're the only person in this black pit that is feeling this way. Trust me, there are millions that are feeling that way. Find a way to connect and understand that people have felt this way. They've gotten through it. They've gone through it and gone through to the other side and gotten, like you said, tools to help them get out of it.

Yes. I think that's so important. I I think the thing, especially as we're getting older, because we are, Reanne, you're getting older. We haven't done anything yet. Are we going to do stuff? No. But as we get older- I just grow a beard over my jobs. Well, it's coming for me, I'm sure. I'm going to grow a beard. I'm going to grow a beard. But as we get older, I just find it so important that people understand understand that not only are they not alone, but that other people want to see them. People want to be seen, but to know that people want to see them. They want to help. Yeah.

I was talking to Arthur Brooks a happiness expert and whatnot. And he was talking about, get off your phones, phone detox, social media detox, look in people's eyes, touch, conversation, hug, high five in the room. It's so important to just humans thrive with dopamine and oxytocin released in the brain through real connection, not the connection of a heart and a like and a thumbs up on the social media, which you are on way too much because you're constantly liking all my wife's posts.

I'm not on it that much, but I love your wife's posts. First of all, she's just so cool. She's really cool, and she's smart. She's smart, and she's funny, and she travels, and is well-read, and she's a great writer, and I just dig her.

And now she's doing kung fu. She's studying kung fu. She practices with a She's got a sword in the driveway.

She's going to kick your ass, right? She's in the driveway with a sword.

She's doing like- She's going to totally kick your ass. Crouching Tiger.

Kill Dragon. Kill Bill.

Crouching Tiger, Kill Bill.

You're an idiot. You're an idiot. Reine, by the way, always calls my children, Hey, idiots. They love it. They can't get enough of it. He's like, What's up, idiots? They're like, Mm-hmm. Rain's funny.

They are a little slow.

They are not.

It's okay. They are brilliant. It's okay to be- You stop it. What about the old therapy? Have you been on therapy rodeo? You can talk to me if you ever need someone to talk to.

Really? Yeah.

3.25 an hour.

$325?

My therapist I'm giving you a 10% discount. I'd be a great therapist, only it'd be pretty weird.

People would be like, Oh, you guys- Dwight is my therapist?

No, dude, My friend went to a therapist and he's like, My therapist used to be the drummer for Devo.

No. Yeah. Come on.

I'm serious. Crack that whip.

That guy is a therapist, No.

If I'm getting the instrument right, it may have been the bassist. I don't know.

But someone from Devo is a therapist.

I would totally go be a therapist, but that would be really weird for people to be like, Dude, Dwight is my therapist.

Also, he doesn't like to say good morning.

And he won't say hi to me when I come in. He doesn't want to hear about my weekend.

He doesn't really want to hear about my life.

And he has a pet monkey with one arm. Callback. This is called calling back. She comes from the world of improv.

We're calling him back. I do.

What do you think What Dwight and Angela's family looks like? Speaking of family, little Philip, how many kids do we have at this point, 10 years later? What is going on at Schrute Farms with us? I know everyone asks this question. What do you think?

Let's figure this out. Listen, They started having kids a little later in life.

How many kids do we have?

I feel like they've got five. At least.

Minimum.

Minimum. Yeah. Because they need- He just put her to work to breed and sow his seed. They need people to work the farm. Yes. Straight up. Straight up. Free labor. Free labor.

I like to think- That would be a great montage. It's like seven kids all working the farm. Like the one-year-old is, I don't know- Picking something. Yeah, the two-year-old is this, and the three-year-old is raking, and the five Five-year-old is driving a tractor. It just goes on and on.

I think they're happy. I do. I feel like Dwight is still running the business center at the business park. And I feel like Angela runs the farm.

I do. Okay. Yeah. I think Dwight doesn't work as a paper salesman or done with Mifflin anymore, but I think the landlord thing.

That's what I think.

Maybe he owns half of Scranton I feel like he's bought up things.

He keeps seeing, so he owns the business park, and he's bought... He probably owns the sign that says electric city. They have to charge him when they turn it on.

I think he probably started, had bought the laser tag Emporium and some stuff like that, or a paintball range.

You know what? I bet there's Schrute escape rooms.

Oh, my God. There's a Schrute escape room. Schrute escape rooms.

Yes. Moes works there.

Which are Moes works at the escape room dressed in his fear thing with a scythe and blood coming out of this. What if there are escape rooms that are unsolvable? Exactly.

Then they end up on a true A true crime podcast.

Oh, my God. Maybe Angela has a true crime podcast, trying to solve the murder of Lackawana County or something. I don't know. The Scranton Strangler. She hasn't- The Scranton Strangler podcast. That's it.

Tobi hosts it.

Oh, my God.

That's perfect. And he keeps having guests on that all think he's the Strangler.

Isn't that a little bit convenient? Yeah, exactly. That Tobi Flenderson is- I think Dwight and Angela homeschool. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Maybe they hire someone from the office, Creed, to teach the children.

Could you think Dwight would hire Creed?

He's cheap. He's five bucks an hour. He's available. And he gives them a shed to live in. Yeah, exactly. He'll teach the kids. All right, kids. Today, we're going to learn about the Ramones.

He's got his guitar. I like to think of it, though. It makes me happy. When people ask me, What do you think Dwight and Angela are up to? Because I know you get that question. I don't know. That one always makes me happy.

Angela Kinsey, thanks for coming on Soul Boom. Thanks for having me. I love you so much.

Do we do it all? Do we get your list?

No, but this is great.

All right, buddy. I love you.

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