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I can't keep the streamers straight at this point, but Shawn fantasy and I broke down the first episode, so if you've seen it or you want to see it, we did a recap of it, and we actually talked a lot about the whole concept of what streaming is in 2023, and whether Netflix seems to be the only place that things totally matter anymore. Now that succession is off HBO, maybe HBO can flip that when True Detective comes back. But we had a bigger discussion about just what does it mean to launch a TV show in 2023? So check that out. We also bumped from the prestige TV podcast The Morning Show. If we stripped it of its prestige. We actually had Amanda and Nora broke it down on Ringer Dish on the new guilty pleasure feed, which will be popping on every once around that one as well. So if you're not following Ringer Dish, please follow it, because we are going to basically make that the anti prestige feed along with some other stuff. But stuff that you just you love but you don't feel awesome about it in the morning show certainly qualifies because that is one of the worst shows of the last ten years.

And I watched every minute of every episode. That is a show so bad that in consecutive episodes, they ripped off Peter Finch's speech in network. They did in consecutive episodes, they had somebody break camera and then stare into the, then stare into the camera and do like a breaking live TV thing. At just an incredible show. Jon Hamm is evil, handsome Elon Musk like that shit really makes me laugh. Great job Apple, you did it again. Okay, we're going to talk football with the cars, and we'll do some parent corner at the end. And I'm going to feel sad about the Pats. And he's going to have his chest puffed out about the Cowboys. Even though they beat Tommy DeVito who lives at home. That's next. First our friends for project. All right. It's a little past 830 Pacific time. Cousin Sal is here. Roberts the lane. He is just. You know, Antonio Pierce said you're the leader of my defense. I don't care that you weren't drafted in.

You're 27. You are the leader of my defense. And he just made a play South. He did.

Well. He made a play. And then, you know, I feel bad that it overshadows the fact that I went on a rollercoaster with Melissa Stark for her birthday. It was a highlight of the year. She vomited all over my jacket. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas like.

We just watched the worst Sunday night game. It was Vegas Jets. Tirico started it by saying, really excited for this one. I'm like, well, that makes one of us in America somehow. Vegas is five and five and somehow Indianapolis is five and five. And somehow like two thirds of the AFC is left. But I'm going to start. I thought this was the best week.

I mean.

That game.

Sucked. The one we just saw and the first game sucked because your team was in it and they're terrible. But I thought there were five games that were buzzer beaters right from field goals. I thought it was the best week.

Yeah. And unless you had Baltimore and multiple teases and parlays and things like that, then it wasn't as good a week. All right. We're going to play a game called. Bad loss or great win and you have to choose one. So I have four games for you. Let's start with Browns. Ravens. Bad loss for the Ravens or great win for the Browns because it was such a bad loss for the Ravens. I'm actually in the great win camp. Deshaun Watson second half really 14 to 14 Deshaun Watson 134 yards. Kind of looked back. He had no. His offensive lines decimated. Doesn't have Nick Chubb. They fell behind by 14. He drove him down. They get the lucky pick six that deflection stuff. But he kept making plays. And yet nobody really likes Deshaun Watson. So was like oh man I'm so happy for Deshaun Watson. Like nobody has said that. But no I was pretty impressed by him today.

I hate to say it. Well first of all I don't think I understand the game now because you said it was such a bad loss. It was a great win. But I know what you're I know what you mean. I think it's more of a great win than.

A bad loss.

Yeah, he he he was. This was his best game. Like, maybe not even statistically, but he kept them in that and. But how could you say it's not a terrible loss. First of all, it was a terrible loss by me. I know you win the game. So I'm saying worse loss. I'm saying worse loss because it was a worse loss for me. And you too. You had Baltimore tied to everything. I had them tied to everything college from yesterday and MMA and everything. And then I bet them live. I mean, can you imagine a better spot than taking the Ravens after that pick six. You see Deshaun is about he has such bad body language. It looks like he's going to take himself out. That Mitchell kid is so good for Baltimore. And they give him the ball like three more times the rest of the game. And I don't know there's just incredible choke jobs by Harbaugh. The three losses this year are disgusting. They have like 94% you know winning likelihood.

Plus I think it was 99 today for the Browns one.

Yeah they have the three losses. They were all at 82% or higher at some point. Yeah I locked in on this game three different times during the day where I was like, just, you know, when you're counting like your bets and your picks and just mentally I was like the Kyle Hamilton pick six at the beginning. I was like, all right, this is a win. Just need just need some luck with the other ones now and then. The Browns fought back then Watson looked like he was getting the shit kicked out of him. Right. And it was like, all right the Ravens they're home. They're one of the best closing teams of the last few years. Like they've got this 3521 seems like it's done. Browns come down really nice drive. And then within like a minute it was tied. And then you know they cut to Lamar a couple of times on the sidelines. And I'm thinking is this January Lamar is January Lamar back. Did we did we do a body switch movie with November Lamar and January Lamar and genuine Lamar kind of kind of showed up a little bit there in the second half.

But more importantly, the Ravens defense not being able to close at home. This was everybody was saying like Browns defense is number one. But Ravens defense, if you look at the stats, they're super close here. They're super close here. And they kind of backed it. I mean who is who's beating them on the Browns David Njoku Amari Cooper Jerome Ford like these are not guys you want on your fantasy team.

Shouldn't be. But their defense put them in good field position a couple of times right I know I don't want to blame but yeah that's the thing Baltimore the regular season Ravens that went 12 games a year typically can run the clock out right when they have a two score lead. They couldn't do that. And with the help of Justin Tucker, I don't know what Harbaugh is doing. He had a manageable field goal and then he screwed around. And Tucker misses that long one obviously proved to be a gigantic spot. Maybe the Harbaugh's need to do something else for a little bit, I don't know. This was disgusting to me.

Rough rough month for the bus. Well it was a it was a dramatic win for the AFC North because since he loses. Yeah. And all of a sudden the Michael Myers Steelers are at six and three. They're a half game out Baltimore seven and three Cleveland six and three. Since he's five and four. And it feels like all four of those teams potentially could make the playoffs right I thought two things notable about this game other than the Deshaun that's the best. He's looked he still didn't look like Deshaun from four years ago. But at least we're closer in the Venn diagram now. The Myles Garrett Defensive Player of the year thing feels almost done at this point. Like assuming he stays healthy and keeps it going. He's just the most impactful week after week. That was one. The other one was Hopkins misses the extra point. It's 31. 38 minutes left and Hopkins misses so the Browns are down one. And I think this was the first time in recorded football history that the team ended up winning after the guy missed this crucial pat.

And so it's always like the the bad omen. It's the black cat getting thrown on the field. And somehow it didn't matter. So because where did.

Where do you set up the game winning field goal? Right. You can't be close enough to set it up after a missed extra point. Right? 40 one's no good. So yeah. But yeah that was that was something. Go ahead. What are we going to say.

Well just Lamar it felt like he was creeping toward the MVP but now took a step back. And we're in this weird situation with the MVP right now where Mahomes on FanDuel plus 250 hurts is 3 to 1. I don't feel awesome about either of those candidacies. Two is 6 to 1. Lamar's 6 to 1. Allens 14 to 1. The bills could be five and five after Nate Burrows down to 20 to 1 and then C.J. Stroud, Goff and McCaffrey are all 30 to 1, and we're heading toward the week before Thanksgiving. And you must have known Prescott.

He's also 30 to 1. Go ahead.

Yeah definitely 100% didn't miss Dak Prescott. Oh yeah. So I don't it I still feel like great win for the Browns over a bad loss for the Ravens. But I think it's close. All right well let's go to Texas I'm.

Just looking at my ledger here. It's definitely a bad bad loss for.

For you and specifically bad loss. Once again I learned the lesson. Don't tie one team to a bunch of bets. I had them tied to, like, ten NBA games over the last three days. Like, uh, Bengals, Texans. The Texans legitimately win. They have 544 yards of total offense. They have 28 first downs. They also rushed for 188 yards. And Stroud once again just thrown fucking darts everywhere. Just darts. Just move it on the run. Dart. So perfect. Perfect lob 30 yarder. Just got it. And his receivers are making plays, and it felt like the Bengals were going to come back and steal it. And once again he fought it off. But now we're at the point where CJ's you know, he's a fringe MVP candidate, but they're at least legitimately in the playoff picture. They're only a game behind Jacksonville playing Jacksonville in Week 12. And that seemed conceivable now. So I'm going to say great win for them over bad loss for Bengals.

Great win I agree. Better win than a bad loss. Bengals had some guys out. You know you know they had been on just too much of a roll I think. And the Texans showed a lot right. Just the fact that I was cursing Stroud under my breath I'm like oh my god how do you give that away? How do you throw that pick there with a few minutes left your ice in the game and then to come back and win that mistake? Yep. Absolutely gigantic win. Huge five and four. But it makes me think that the worst loss of the year was Texans against the Panthers. How the hell did they lose to that team? I think this Texans team is legit and they lost that crap bag. Panthers team come.

On. Yeah the Texans five and four.

We have been tied with Jacksonville. Had they beaten the Panthers right. Yeah.

They start out on two to beat the Jags. They beat the Steelers. We're like what's going on here. Then they lose that stupid Falcons game. Under the rule that every Falcons game has to end. All right. With a two point deficit one way or the other. They beat the Saints lose the Panthers game. They beat the Bucs 3937, in a game that after watching the Bucs today, it's a little more impressive than it was a week ago. And then they squeeze past the Bengals. But the thing is, they got the Cardinals next week who looked a little rejuvenated with Kyler. But there's still the Cardinals so they could legitimately be six and four heading into that Jags game. And I got to be honest I like I like the ceiling of their team more than the Jags. We're talking about Jags in a second. But I I think their offense is more explosive. It seems like they're a little bit better coached and and they're a little more resilient than that Jackson that Jackson falls behind by ten.

You feel like the game's over.

I would suggest that we bet the Texans plus 270, but then then they're going to lose four in a row. And I kind of like this team. I don't want to do that to them already. We've already mushed a South team that we could we'll talk about in a minute I'm sure. But I think you're right. I don't think right now there's a huge well, Trevor Lawrence has been in the league three years or 40 whatever. And it doesn't matter. I think they're just as mature like that. Stroud is. I don't know, they're right up there.

The Bengals so that they they come back but then they can't get the big stop. Houston scores 20 points in the second half. This was the rare Big Lou not with the halftime adjustments. Yeah putting the clamps down like normally he's Mariano Rivera and he was not in this game. They didn't have Higgins which I think mattered. Chase was playing even though he was hurt. He didn't look on the TV. He didn't look 100% comfortable. It looked like he was getting it out, but they couldn't run the ball again. There was 16 for 66. And then Houston gets this huge Devin Singletary 30 for 150 game. All these discarded Buffalo backs seem to thrive on these other teams. But Noah Brown, who was available on our waiver wire in our league where we vote people out and nobody picked him up this week seven for 172. He's got 320 in the last.

Two weeks available on my actual team. And we let him go for nothing. So yeah. Is that.

True? Oh that's right, he was.

Yeah. He was a cowboy. Yeah. Usually 380 yards is enough for the Bengals to like you said they play any sort of defense. But I think this Texans team just screws everybody up. You know they talk about having tape on a quarterback. It doesn't seem to matter with C.J. Stroud as we hit there like we 11 well okay so.

Pittsburgh six and three. Cleveland six and three. 65 and four. Houston five and four. Let's just say those four teams are playing for two spots. I wouldn't want to see Cincy if I was the two seed or the three seed. If I had to give you Pittsburgh, Cleveland or Houston, I'm the two seed and I could see one of those three teams as the seventh seed. Pittsburgh. Cleveland. Houston. Which one don't you want to see?

Which one don't I want to play or don't? Don't you want to play? Don't you want to play?

You're the two seed. You're like, oh fuck. Really? These guys? Is it Pittsburgh, Cleveland or Houston? I think for me, it's becoming Houston.

Is it Houston? I might still say Cleveland. I think just because of the defense. Yeah, I think so. What Pittsburgh is doing is just remarkable. And we'll talk about it. But I don't understand it, I really don't.

One thing with Cleveland, this felt like a classic. Get super close. And then Stefanski does something stupid to fuck the game up for them. Right. And he didn't do it. I was actually kind of proud of it.

No, no.

No, it was the rarely seen. Like he had some good play calls. He he gamed. He gamed a couple of the downs and the time management was there. I was kind of impressed. Maybe he's gone. All right. Next game. Let's do now. It's the Lions. Chargers. Lions. Chargers! Great win or bad loss. If you had to pick one.

Um. Well, I think the better team won. So I'm going to say good win. Great win. I'm going to say better win, but bad loss for all the teams you mentioned that are four and five five and four for the Chargers. Like this made you think today made you think AFC North could have four playoff teams. So it's a bad loss for a team like the Chargers in that regard. But I always thought Detroit was just better throughout the whole game. And the last team with the win ball, one kind of thing and it's a great same game parlay game. So that's it.

So they had that fourth and two near the end. There is a moment in this game and I texted you and the fellas about it. It was 38 to 38. And the Lions had 488 yards and zero turnovers. And you're just like how is this a tie game? Oh, they've done this entire game has moved up and down the field and get every play they want. So they get to drive again. They immediately go down. They get the game winning field goal. They finished 533 yards 23 first downs. There are four four for five on fourth down. And there was that key fourth down play fourth and two where it's like oh should we try a long field goal here? What should we do. I vacillate depending on the situation in the team. In this case it was like they have to go for this. They're getting 8 to 10 yards to play. Yeah, I'm positive they're going to get this unless something horrible happens. And they were on a play call was great.

Yeah, every play was great. Like the guy was wide open by six yards.

Tight end sneaks out and just goes and gets it.

I think they could have won this game by two scores. That one drive by the Chargers start at the end of the third quarter and ended at the beginning of the fourth. And a touchdown was was a lot of that was bullshit. That really was like a lot of double calls and a phantom pass interference and just weird stuff. So they didn't think they should have scored there.

But this was the fizziest game of the day and were all the money was in the Lions. There was a fourth down and goal to go. They had a great stand and they caught a pie on somebody, and it was so dubious that they had to use the furthest away camera to show the replay and they're like, oh, I think I see it there. It's like, you guys have cameras right in the end zone. Like, I guarantee you have a better look of the guy briefly holding his waist for a split second, and they ended up running with eight plays inside the two yard line before they finally scored in the second quarter. They got it. It did feel fishy and I kept waiting for like the Lions holding penalties, something like that. But but that's the.

Chargers too right. Like they I'm like well how are they going to win a game like this where things are going their way actually like no they didn't the Chargers. But yeah that was interesting with the camera.

Tough game for the Lions defense. If you're just thinking about them from a title aspect. Because guys in the Chargers were open the entire game. Keenan Allen who had the classic Keenan Allen game I think he had 20 catches for 380 yards. He went in the blue tent twice. He left. It seemed like it was over there. Just throwing red flags next to his name for an hour. And then all of a sudden he's back in the game. But Herbert, who I thought was shaking the first quarter and then he came on and you couldn't complain about their offense, but they just couldn't get stops. There were more Detroit fans, the Chargers fans. The line was two and a half. It ended at two. So they ended up covering basically for the whole week. I have an important Jared Goff question for you, but I want to take a quick break and then we'll throw it a. All right Lions Chargers. Here's my Jared Goff question Kyle might have to turn on the camera.

Is Jared Goff legitimately good. Like I'm not saying is Jared Goff good I'm saying. Is he legitimately good? Because the guy I watched today seems super comfortable, made all the right throws, had some great touch throws with feel. He could throw it deep, he could wing it. He was always on on command like he never had. Like a really bad pick. Almost pick. You never had a stupid Jared Goff fumble the shotgun snap. Nothing. He was just smooth sailing for four quarters on the road. I was really impressed and I've been impressed all year. And he's at the point now where it's like, I think he's becoming what we thought Lawrence was going to be this year. I think he took the Lawrence spot in the top ten. I'm going to give you my top ten in a second. But do you agree that he's legitimately good now?

First of all, I don't know who's good anymore. I go by who I enjoy watching because you're like Gardner Minshew. No, no. He's good. Leave him alone. No, don't throw him in that class with Tommy DeVito. He's good. I'm like, all right, I'm going to go by who I enjoy watching. He's definitely one of 7 or 8 quarterbacks I enjoy watching. And he's excellent. Excellent in this system. Excellent.

Yeah. It's almost like you take it's like a movie or something where a bunch of kids get adopted by different families and you see where the kids get turned out. And he got adopted by the family with the good offensive line and the awesome offensive coordinator. And now he's putting it together and he's way better than maybe he ever thought. But if he had gone to like Arizona, it would have been a disaster. Maybe we're right. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I've made my top ten and you got the Mahomes. These are top ten best.

Just best.

Well, so I just made a list. I'm like is he top ten out. Mahomes. Burrow hurts Lamar Allen that's your top five right. And then Herbert's right there is the sixth. And then Tua assuming he stays healthy. And then it's like Stroud and Goff and Dak in some order. And that's the tent. And Lawrence isn't in there. And neither is Brock Purdy. And neither is Matthew Stafford because he can't play more than four straight games. And then it drops off quickly to like Geno and Kyler and Baker. We don't even have 15 quarterbacks I trust anymore.

So now of course this is the worst. This is like and we try to convince ourselves. I'm not saying this golf example is one of them, but I think we're always trying to convince ourselves, all right, maybe this guy is good. Like that prison meal I had the other day. It was good. They use, like, three beans. Like, now that that black bean, that was shit. Somebody just shit in the bat. That was it. Like you really? I think we're stuck with what we're stuck with. And he's definitely top seven.

Wow. You're going seven. Okay, so you're putting in seven.

He and Dak are right in there 789 yeah through cousins cousins cousins on anymore.

Yeah. Cousins is gone. The most interesting to me is that interesting thing to me is that Lawrence definitely dropped out of the top ten. Like he just hasn't been good enough to share. And there's been too many games where you've just feel like they're way behind the eight ball. He can't get anything going. Their offense, I think, has been probably the biggest disappointment they have. See, I was also stunned making the list that according to my calculations, this mean Baker is a top half of the league quarterback if you put him 16. It's in the upper half. Kind of nuts. But yeah, I think that golf trade when you figure. They got a first round pick. They they were able to get rid of the Stafford money. And then they get this guy that you know they're able to salvage. It's pretty impressive. Lions are good I really wonder about their defense zone whether they can get stops like when they play. Your team in the playoffs when they play, you know Philly, anybody, San Francisco, anybody who can throw the ball or they're going to be able to stop that team.

Yeah. Well they had they had no sacks today. Right. And then sometimes they'll have eight sacks. I think that's the weirdest thing, the weirdest dichotomy we have to go through week after week. I don't think we've seen more more eight sack games than we have this year. And then but then it'll disappear. So you don't even really know what you're watching from week to week, right?

So the Chargers four and five. Um, and they're looking the rest of the way.

They're playing greenhorns at green Bay.

Never easy home, Baltimore at the Pats. Easy home. Denver at Vegas. Home. Buffalo. At Denver home KC and again that KC might not care. So there's certainly not out of it. I wouldn't say that's like a murderer's row of a schedule. All right. So we both agree that that was a better win for the Lions than a loss for the Chargers. All right. Last one. Vikings. Saints. Great win or bad loss. Where are you going?

It's a bad loss for the for the Saints that we bet on them during the week. Me you and House. We bet that it's like this division parlay winner can't lose. No way it's going to win. We're still going to win that.

Who's who's beating them? They still have a game lead.

Well you know what the worst part of it is. We have to watch these NFC South that you sucked me in I didn't want anything to do with this NFC South. And I'm watching intently hoping that Atlanta loses to Arizona because we have frickin New Orleans. But you're right. If you look at the this is a this is a good win. This is a good win for Minnesota because of what you said New Orleans it didn't really they lost ground with Tampa Bay. But and we kind of know what they are going forward. But this Dobbs could have easily been a one and done right. But he stepped up. Is he in your top eight? He might be my top five years. He's not that. He's not bad at all. I like this Vikings team a lot. Good win the first half.

He looked like like early 20 tens. Kaepernick crossed with Josh Allen crossed with Lamar. He was he was I can't describe how well he played. If you didn't watch the game, there was six times where it's like, oh, they're going to sack him. No, he got no. He all of a sudden it's another 20 yard play. They have the they have a one game lead for the sixth seed. And now they have the tiebreaker over New Orleans. And I think Atlanta to Rahim. Rahim said it reminded him of the Linsanity run in 2013. The Dobbs think Dobbs sanity. Mm I don't know. I kind of like it. I mean, maybe the ball could get rolling the I love how he looked.

You see when he scores and they put his cartoon up. I don't know if you see like the fox. It's so good. I don't know if they're trying to be funny, but it's great and it's.

I really think all their cartoons are funny. So if you're going Dobbs remorse. Pittsburgh had him for a while, right? Right. And they have Roethlisberger fun. They don't even care. They draft Pickett Tennessee had him last year. They're like, whatever. They let him go. They drive Levis. Cleveland hasn't been training camp this year, and maybe they'd realized he might have been too good. So, yeah, we'll go with P.J. Walker goes to Arizona. Then you think of all the teams that needed a quarterback, specifically the Jets that were like, nah, we're good with Zach Wilson. And Dobbs swings at least two of those Jets games, I think. Right. So they're foreign. What are they, foreign? Six. Probably some.

Foreign. Yeah.

They're four and 5.

Or 5.

Now. Yeah.

Right now they're from five.

Yeah. Yeah. So they could potentially be like six and three with Dobbs. But it's just weird. We search for QBs everywhere. And yet Dobbs is sitting there and everybody's just staring at him.

And it really doesn't make sense why Minnesota took him like they had Colt McCoy had, like, a couple of years under O'Connell's supervision. Right. So think Dobbs would have been the, like, the third choice on the list. But yeah, he's he's good. He's fun to watch. He's my fun to watch list. No question. Only eight of them.

Yeah. Little. This happens occasionally in football. Little Willie Beeman shown up in any given Sunday turn in turning opportunities team around. We also in this game we had Jameis came in because Derek Carr got hurt and Jameis was just immediately like on bath salts. Just doing crazy shit. Throws this touchdown where he rose to the left. Chucks it the other side corner of the end zone with some height. It was like the best pass of the day except nobody should have ever thrown the pass. Then he ended up throwing two picks. It was the full Jameis experience, two TDs and two picks in half a game. It was fun to have him back though.

I'm trying to figure out if for our bet. Are you more excited to have Jameis Winston or Derek Carr as a quarterback? It's going to be a lot of highs and lows with Jameis as you explained. But their car you know what you're getting 13 for 18 170 I.

Think I'd rather have the Jameis I think the team well they lost Thomas. They're in the game. But I think I'd rather have the Jameis. What's weird about them is there's some games that it's usually only when you bet against the Saints when they use Taysom Hill as this running quarterback weapon. But then when I bet on the Saints those are the games where he's just running pass and dropping passes over the middle and stuff. It's like what happens to the ones where he's running for eight yards, eight carries for 80 yards? I realize Raheem talked me into this. Saints and the under when he was $1 million picks. And yeah, I realized during the game because I bet on in real life to the whole thing. And then you realize like Dobbs starts doing well and you're like I have Dennis Allen and Derek Carr and I'm on the road in Minnesota. It just doesn't feel good. What was that? They'll cut to Dennis Allen and you're like, oh man, you have you have those that we should do a list sometime.

We should work on a list of the top 12. Oh man, I bet on that person because Dennis Allen's definitely one of them. I'm not positive he's awake.

Though he might not be. It might be better when he's not. I feel like you nailed this years ago when you said, all right, who do you trust when they're down ten? Not even trust to win. But yeah, that's the oh man feeling right with the Saints. We probably shouldn't say.

That for me. Yeah I bet I actually stayed away from that game. But I would have bet San Francisco if I did it. But I feel like Jacksonville is done when they're down ten. Etienne Etienne got banged up in that game and maybe that would have changed their destiny a little bit.

They won a pretty big playoff game down like 30.

But that was Brandon Staley. Like he overrode their their bad comeback.

That's true. Yeah. There's so many forces working against each other. Yeah I don't know I guess Jameis is better for us. It'll be more fun.

Well this will make you feel like shit. The five New Orleans wins this year. Tennessee, Carolina, New England, Indianapolis, and Chicago. I don't. You can't even call them the good bad team. They're like the half as mediocre bad.

They better win this division because you and I both saw the quarterbacks they face whoever the Falcons have out there. All right. The Lions are going to lose. They have the Panthers. The Giants who are a joke. The Rams the Bucs they should win. And the Falcons.

It's impossible for them not to get to nine wins. Ritter today Ritter comes in because Heinicke gets hurt and he runs for the Go-Ahead touchdown. And he did it again. He had the ball in the wrong hand as he's crossing, as he's going over left crossing in front of the pylon. It's like this guy, you cost him a game like three weeks ago doing this and you still can't figure this out.

I forgot he was healthy. I'm like, oh, who are they going to put in now that Heinicke is out. Like oh Ritter oh he was just benched. Oh they just he sucks. They just gave up on their their most recently drafted quarterback interest. Yeah pretty rough.

Um, Jeff Chao texted me during the Jets Raiders game and he asked if this is the worse the New York quarterback situation has ever been. And I have an answer for that in a little bit. But you I deliberately did not watch Cowboys. Giants because we knew what was going to happen in that game.

Better win or worse Los Cowboys Giants.

Well I knew you would watch it. Dak just just piling on the fantasy points. What did they for him. He had like 45 points. But how bad was the veto. Like what was your take watching him for three hours.

Yeah he was bad really bad. But he got better. But he got better against our third string. And by the way I had the Giants under ten and a half points and tables calling timeouts down 4910 and just driving me nuts. And of course they scored.

They got it right. They got 17. Yeah he.

Got it. No it was a it was a whipping. But the defense was bad. And so look he's not he's not a quarterback for the future. There's Tommy DeVito. We can make fun I love every Goodfellas meme I see attached to him. Right. And getting shot or him in the kitchen with the mother. Now that he said he he lives with his parents. And I did mention on Ring of Wise Guys, everyone's flipping out that this line was 17.5. But FanDuel has a provision that says if one of the quarterbacks admits to living with his parents, the line can't be anything under 15.5. And so that's that's why it made sense. But I know you made fun of Dak. And oh yeah he puts up stats when it doesn't matter. But this is a good year for the Cowboys fans. Rivalry with the with the Giants 8917 over two games.

It's classic Dak. He lit up the Thanksgiving family touch football game yet again. Tortured tortured uncle Vinnie I got him again. He torched him three touchdowns for Dak.

Listen I've been on the other side when they lost to the Cardinals. So let's just win these games.

Jets. Raiders. Can we stop with the Rogers comeback? Do we have to do this as a news story? And we have to do they have to show them on the sidelines. And the sideline reporter with the I talked to Aaron Rodgers and he said it's going really well. And he can do this. They can do that Aaron Rodgers not playing football this year. Why are we doing this. He's intentionally especially as the the the Kelsey Taylor Swift relationship goes bonkers. Like it's like I got a leak that might kill it. I might be back in mid-December. There's no way.

I mean, why would he say. Doesn't he make them? Doesn't he make himself look foolish if he says mid-December and then he doesn't because.

It's always couched. It's like I'm on pace and maybe it'll be a miracle, but it's just. Come on. I'm not going to give him any.

Credit if he's back mid-December, he was misdiagnosed. He doesn't have a torn Achilles. I know medicines better and everything else. I don't think he's going to the guys where the medicine's better. I really don't. And you know, he's he's almost our age. So if he's back mid-December. Sorry you didn't have a torn Achilles. You had to strain the killers. Right.

What would you put for FanDuel?

Odds that he comes back. Yeah. I mean, what would their record be by then?

I would say minus. I would say minus like 1300.

To the no.

To.

No. Happy to hook.

That bet from anyone who wants to make it a.

Little lower. -600. But he's got to shut up about it. He can't be talking about like, hey, if I could stand on one toe, I'm going to give it a run and I'm going to. Did you see Zach Wilson?

I guarantee, like, you know, you're not going to be able to. There's ten times a game where the quarterback has to quickly pivot and scramble out like his legs. Not going to be ready for that. Just stop. So Jeff Chow asked, what was is this the worst New York quarterback combo ever? Because we have the Zach Wilson Tommy DeVito combo. And we live in this world now where everything has to be the worst, the best, the greatest. It's a good.

Question.

No context for that. Well, I went and did the work because that game was so boring. So here are the candidates and I actually have a winner. But just going backwards. In 2017, the Jets had Josh McCown. And the Giants had watched Eli in his last season, and both of them, they won like a combined nine games. That was pretty bad. 2003. The Jets sucked and the Giants sucked. It was Chad Pennington and kind of washed up Kerry Collins. So we had that where it gets really good. We go to 96 and this is the runner up. The Jets finished 1 in 15 and the Giants were six and ten. The Giants quarterback was.

Do you say Browning Nagel or is that after?

No, it's right before. Who do you think the Giants quarterback was 1996. And you bet on him. And I hadn't thought of him in 2527 years. He played all 16 games as the Giants quarterback Jared Lorenzen. No, no.

Dave Brown oh, Dave Brown, the Duke kid. I couldn't remember his name. Yeah that's right.

16 games through 2420 yards, 12 TDs, 20 picks. The Jets had a Frank Reich. Neil O'Donoghue has owned six that year and Glenn Foley, who was on three. They finished one and 15 combined. They almost drove for 4000 yards 22 TDs, 30 picks. So combined the Jets. Giants quarterbacks 50 interceptions. Zaire you think like well there's no way we can get worse than that. Let me take you to 1976 to Sakic. So the New York Jets, it's Joe Namath's last year. And he's like to say he's washed Larry home status. It's like a whole other level, right? He plays eight games. He goes one and seven as a starter. Four touchdowns 16 picks. Oh yeah. Gets replaced by Richard Todd who comes in finishes two. And for three touchdowns 12 picks. They had eight fumbles between them. They had 28 interceptions eight fumbles and seven touchdowns. Bad Giants Craig Morton he goes two and ten. Nine touchdowns, 20 picks, seven fumbles. Norm Snead plays two games, zero touchdowns, four picks, one fumble.

So combined all the New York quarterbacks a year, 16 touchdowns, 52 interceptions, 16 fumbles. Wow. So when people tomorrow like this is the worst it's ever been Tommy DeVito Zach Wilson this is so 1976 is so much worse. It's like 100 times worse. So there you go.

That's a great that's great research I would say I was part of that Jets debacle. What did you say Neal O'Donnell. Browning. Nagle. That was the worst for me because my father had season tickets for the Jets and I had to go with him. I'm not even a fricking Jets fan. And we would drive. I don't know why we weren't that far away, but he insisted on driving through the city from Long Island to the the Meadowlands at the time, and it was a three hour there and three hours back.

And three hours thing. Terrible game. You don't even get to watch TV. Exactly.

The most miserable time.

Yeah, well, the Neil O'Donnell, that was my favorite because they made the Super Bowl the year before. Right. And then he signed with the Jets. He signed this big contract and he had this press conference and he was like, I was brought here to win. He sounded like Francesa, who say, I was brought in to win games. I'm a winner. The Jets are a winner. And it was the funniest press conference. And me and all my friends, we have a couple of jets. We were like, I'm a winner, I'm here to win games. And then he went, oh, and six. And it was one of the worst signings of all time.

But what year was that?

That was 96. Yeah.

Well so was was that a kotite year. Yeah it was Jets coach. Was it okay. Yeah.

That was that was right. You know Donnell and Foley as the QBs and Dave Brown. All right quickly let's hit a couple more games. Niners Jags Niners back not a surprise really Trent Williams and Deebo Samuel came back. There was a weird McCaffrey touchdown quest in the fourth quarter that I was convinced was going to end with him getting hurt. And then it becoming the biggest story in the but he never get hurt. Jaguars 4.1 yards per play four turnovers. And I think Trevor Lawrence officially died as a fantasy starter I don't think you start them anymore. There's if you're in a ten team league. There's always going to be, I would say, ten better quarterbacks in him no matter what the scenarios.

What if you're in a league where David Chang changes the rules and everybody has to start two quarterbacks, but one guy hoards eight quarterbacks, what about that?

So you don't like the flex? I think it's been.

Really I don't like listen I started.

Adrian O'Connor today. It was genuinely exciting.

When the founding Food fathers thought of this rule. I don't think they realize how bad the quarterback play would be in 2023. I think two years ago when he pitched it fine. But now it's should we talk about a trade for Mac Jones? I have to beg you for Mac Jones off your roster. And you promised me he'd be good. He was awful. Let's talk about your awful.

Well, I traded you Mac Jones for Javonte Williams. Yeah. And then I traded Geno Smith and Zay Flowers for CeeDee lamb because I hoarded for quarterbacks. So I love the flex league. It worked out great for me I think it's the reason I like it. The reason I like the two QBs or the chance to start to QB. Is it just.

Too good team Scooby's in the whole league?

Well, I was I was agonizing over do I start dating Okano or Javonte Williams, the running back and my flex spot like it was a real it was just an added thing. Wait a minute.

You don't have to start a quarterback in the Super Flex.

No, you can start whoever you want in that other position. Why? Why did you not know that?

No, I don't, I just thought everyone starts a quarterback. So I thought it was a quarterback. Oh man.

I traded you Mac. And he might never play again. And might before they might have left him in Germany. I don't know, they might have just handcuffed him to.

I'm leaving him at your front door with something else.

Yeah. Some dog poop. Yeah. There's a chance that was Belichick's last game. Like we're taping this now. It is 9:10 p.m. Pacific. But I don't think they'll fire him. I do think there's if if it ended I think it would be like he steps down type of situation and then maybe at the end of the year if somebody else wants to hire him, Kraft would be like, well, he stepped down. He still belongs to the Patriots. And then they would trade him for like a second round pick.

I guess it doesn't matter the extension. Right. Did we even talk about this last week.

Whatever these teams like the Raiders the Raiders two coaches like $80 million I don't think.

But I wouldn't want I feel like it's a kiss of death. When you hear about an extension, I would never want to hear about an extension. Don't ever say you extend it. They'll make it news. If you ever extend me at the ringer, I don't want to know.

Because that means every time, every every client, he has he brag. Extension. I got Jimmy in football.

It means you're going to get fired immediately. Yeah. It's weird. Well, I'll.

Tell you this. Two weeks ago, heading into the this washed in Indianapolis combo, I was like, man, if this goes badly it's going to be for Belichick heading in the bye week. Well how could it have gone worse. They completely choked against Washington. And then this Indianapolis game was disgusting. Although I was full fledged rooting for the Colts for I bet on the Colts. I didn't want us to win. It makes no sense for this terrible Pats team to win. And yet it seemed like they were going to win. And Mac was like, hold my beer. And through one of the worst passes, I think, in the history of the franchise, he entered through Gesicki by ten yards.

It was a bad throw. I know. You know what? I had him on a fantasy team. I don't know if you're aware. Yeah, yeah, I was watching. Can I say this, though, with regard to you rooting against the Patriots, I feel like. And there's been so many bad, terrible versions of Patriots fans, horrific people you would never want to be around. I think this is the worst one where you're now rooting not only you're rooting against your team because the subtext is, you can't hurt me because now I'm going to root against my team and they're bad. And it's like, oh, you're you're just impenetrable. A and B, you really think with all these bad quarterbacks that your GM is going to be able to figure out who to draft amongst these guys? We're like 40% of the quarterbacks or a and then 10% are good. Very good are great. And then everyone else is like, forget it, they'll never play again.

That's a you just know when you end up with Joe Burrow or Herbert or whatever, you're just in it for the next 15 years. We just had it with Brady. I don't know if it's Drake Maye who knows with Caleb Williams at this point, but I will tell you this when Arizona came back and won today, I was on some texts like that was Arizona's second win of the season. So now it's Carolina's 1 in 8. The Giants and Arizona and the Pats are all two and seven. And the Pats play the Giants in two weeks. And that's going to be that's the game they have to lose. They lose that game I hate.

This, I really do. Don't know why.

Can I throw something. Where are you though I like.

Throw a brick at my head because I can't take this anymore.

Is it crazy to think if they had the second pick that Marvin Harrison makes more sense? Oh.

Mac, Jones and Harrison.

That's what you got. One of the all time slam dunk receivers that have ever come into the league. It's pretty great. Is he. Is he like a slightly better AJ Brown potentially. What is he. You watch college football every week.

I love him I do but I don't I also think you know there's like five good receivers every year. There's definitely not five good quarterbacks.

I don't know. Kind of feels like you have to have a receiver at this point to compete.

And then what do you do? You hope to get a Josh Dobbs?

Yeah, I don't know. I'm just like, if they don't get if they didn't get the number one pick because it's just locked it down.

Most of your friends Pats fan friends think it's a foregone conclusion that you're going to make a great pick with a with the bad record, you're going to have a bad record. You a great.

Pick. I just want an awesome player. I mean, really the way to do it is to draft the best left tackle and build the lines. You know, if if the you basically adopt the Lions way of building a team of just build the lines and then fill in around the fringes. But yeah, yeah, there's a chance that spell checks last game and this was a really bad way for his Pats run to end. But ultimately I don't think people remember it. He's in a.

Tough spot because he could quit and everyone's like, oh he was fired, right? Whereas there was a time where he could have quit and everyone would be like, oh, he just stepped away. I feel like he's a month too late now on that.

I've never seen anything with a football player like this Mac Jones thing. Like we had Tony and in the mid 80s and and who was good. He was the first round pick. He had some good moments. Like if you go back and look at his stats, like even the year after they got killed by the bears in the Super Bowl, he's really good that year and he lost his he got sacked in the end zone by Rulon Jones. Ended our season in the playoffs. He was never really the same. He lost his confidence. Never had a ton of confidence to begin with. But it was like a when you have one of those baseball closers that kind of loses it and you're like, oh man, this guy, it's got the deer in the headlights. Now. Like this happened with Calvin Sherrell. They right around the same time Mac, what's happened to him over the last two years feels more like that than a quarterback thing. Mac was good two years ago. Like he was.

He didn't really make mistakes. Like for a rookie, he was. He was really smooth. He moved the ball. He had a lot of confidence. The guy now is like just broken because.

It wrong system. Is it is it. What would he be on. The Lions would be in your top 15.

Like, maybe it is. I mean, I don't know, is he just. Is it too far gone now?

I don't know, but let's play a game. Worst starting quarterback. Patriots point guard. Celtics, 1974. Jojo white. I don't know. All right.

Have you had a quarterback just lose it like this though.

I thought for a while. It might be.

Habitat.

Yeah, yeah, but no, you're right. Yeah. The trajectory doesn't make any sense because.

You know, there's been older QBs like that. You're Delhomme lost it when you're watching. We're betting against him every week. We're like, oh man, the lumps. He's lost it. But then Kurt Warner lost and then he got it back. But Mac I don't know if he ever really had it I guess would be the better question.

Do you think there's like an injury if an injury, a weird injury came out that he had for two years?

This has been two years of the worst possible throws at the worst possible times. There's a Pro Bowl picture of him from two years ago. You know he's like a Pro Bowl alternate right. It's like him and Mahomes and Josh Allen were I forget what it was pretty funny. All right Washington Seahawks. That was the only other one. Why Washington blew it at the end. The only thing I'll say.

Is riverboat has lost it. I mean I don't know what the why not go for.

Two at the end.

I don't know. Well we try to come up with a new nickname, but he is a he is a guaranteed to not go for two in those situations now. I mean, he's not a river. He's like a he's like the partial raft that the Caprio froze to death on. I don't even know what you call him anymore. Why not go for two on the road? You're Washington.

He's like the opposite of double down Trent. Yeah, he's like, I'm staying on, right? I'm staying on 20. Yeah. Yeah, I feel like you. It just felt like the Seahawks were going to get the ball and come down and get a field goal, so at least put them on the defensive. Titans Bucs. Seems like Tennessee's done at three and six. Yeah. And then it was good to have Kyler Murray back. That was another thing that happened today. It was nice to have a competent QB back. But if Arthur Smith got fired tomorrow, I wouldn't be completely shocked. I don't think it'll happen, but I wouldn't be like, oh my God, they fired Arthur Smith because that team's had a lot of weird stuff. The only other game was Steelers Packers where Pickett as six touchdown passes all season, so they have as many wins as quarterback touchdown passes. They ran for 36 for 205 today, and the Packers kept hanging around and hanging around, hanging around, and it felt like they were at least going to cover and lose by one.

But they couldn't do that, and the Steelers end up covering by one. This team is always around. Whatever the spread number is, you never feel like they're going to get it right. So they're now six and three and I've watched all the games because I've always bet on them or had them in something. And I don't understand it.

I don't well, it's not us. We're not being jerks. I know these fanbases get mad at us, but they have been outgained yardage wise in every single game they played every game, and they have six wins out of the nine. And I guess it must be nice for the fans. I'm going to say something mean to enjoy the wins, knowing that there's no way this team could go far. The way they work it out, like their defense is great most of the time. Kwon Alexander is fun to watch. It's a bummer he's out for the year, but can they ever lose the way they win? Like Jordan, Love was not throwing a touchdown at the end there. It just wasn't happening against this Pittsburgh team.

It's crazy because you could feel it. I was making jokes about it four weeks ago, and then it just keeps happening. And the one thing that's not happening anymore is them losing the first half and then winning. So that seems like that. You ruined that. You never should have talked.

About that one last week. We could take a week, but you.

Never should have talked about it again. You would have just kept cleaning up and making money on that. Yeah. Yeah, that's all I got. Other than I wrote down Dak Prescott as the Jerry Cooney of QBs.

That's not right.

That's not just beating tomatoes.

Gerry Cooney. Best uppercut. Well to ask the doctor.

Yeah. Dak Prescott be Ken Norton. It's for real. It's time for time for a title fight. All right. We'll take a break with you guys. Let's. All right, Sal. Hold on to your seat. We have a good Thursday night game. Yeah. Somebody tell Al Michaels.

What a trooper sitting through that slog of a game. That's good for him. Now he hasn't accrued enough sick days to sit that one out. I have no idea.

Yeah, because Al's old enough that he could basically make up any medical excuse and they would have to, like, take it at face value, right?

He would skip a Sunday night game here and there. Remember, Tirico would come in and it would be like, I don't understand why he has to fill all these.

The Thursday night. Ravens home for the Bengals, two teams that just lost. Two teams that need this game, and I would say it's even more of a must win for the Bengals. Yeah. And? We'll see if Higgins plays. I put Ravens three and a half over the Bengals.

Yeah, you got that. Exactly. And I don't want to ruin it. But you're going to beat me this week. I was so far off I'm not going to say which way I was off on all of them. But it was the same thing. Exactly three and a half. I said two and a half. Yeah, that's that would have been a big win for Baltimore. Like they could have. They could have blown this one and wouldn't have mattered as much. But.

Sunday Market, by the way, not a great slate next week because the best game is the the best games are the Thursday that came in the Monday night game. Monday. Yeah. All right. The Sunday marquee game. Brown Steelers. AFC North has been the MVP of the NFL this season. It's in Cleveland. I've really struggled with this. Between Browns by three and Browns by two and a half. Ended up with Browns by two and a half.

Are you going to still beat me? I said Browns by two. It's four and a half. Four and a half.

Oh, wow. That's too high.

This was the first bullshit win of the year for the Steelers right. That Monday night game where they I think Deshaun threw a pick six. And then Chubb got hurt in this game I think right.

That's too high because the Browns the Browns had I think the best win of this week. And that's never a good sign for next week. Now I think the Steelers defense can unless the Alexander thing. I got to research that more that might have killed them. I don't know how like what their backup situation and stuff like that, but.

I think maybe they'll be losing and then they'll score at the end and win. Like pickings will get free or something. They'll win maybe, I don't know. Look at that. Have we seen something like that? It's always the same thing.

They cut to Pickens twice a game, and it looks like he's just going to whip his helmet against against like the big giant fan or something. All right. So Brown's four and a half. They put that in the Vegas zone. Kind of like the Steelers I only have one watchable game. Texans. Cardinals. I think this is going to be a really fun game.

You really?

Yeah. I think it's going to be a fun one in Houston. C.J. Stroud mania will officially begin this week. I bet his MVP odds drop on FanDuel. And I have Texans by four over the Cardinals.

You know, I said. I was like, this is going to be five and a half. This should be five and a half, but they're going to do something stupid because I didn't think there's somehow Vegas is still favoring Arizona in some of these lines. So I'm like, I'm going to make it three and a half and it's five and a half, so you get it close.

So they Vegas zoned it. Yeah.

You want to put this on a teaser? You want to put it on the teaser.

Arizona is pretty confident. When you think I didn't have Humphreys there, missed their left tackle today. They got Kyler and his first game ever, and they hung around against that weird Atlanta team. That's not Atlanta is not terrible. They hang around against everybody.

It seems like Kyler takes off. It's fun. Right? It's like, wow, this could go for 811 yards or 75. This is nice. And then they put Clayton tune in for the quarterback sneak at the one right. Yeah. Just because he's still short.

But I thought.

Kyler looked fast.

Yeah. There are a couple of today where it was like man it doesn't look like he had knee surgery. Fairly watchable. We have we have four. Jaguars home for the Titans. This is a gambling. Stay away if I've ever seen one. I didn't know what to do with this sign. I made it Jags by six.

Oh, man. This is the one. I could have made ground though. With you. It is six. That's what I have. We get we share that. Yeah, I'm staying away. It seems closer than three and six versus six and three.

Titans really couldn't move the ball today. It was interesting.

He wasn't that. He didn't turn it over, though, right? It wasn't that bad.

He just. It was. He looked like a rookie, though. It looked like they had had enough tape on him to be like, oh, let's do this, this, this and this. And yeah, he looked he looked a little rattly. Dolphins are home for the Raiders. I'm going to go double digits on this one, even though the Raiders have just won two in a row. I don't know how, but they did. I'm going to say dolphins by ten and a half.

I said ten and I think it's nine and a half unless it changed. So I would get it. It is nine and a half. Yes.

Okay. What do you think? Eddie O'Connor.

Five and five. They're five and five. I don't know. I had the Jets and I thought, you know, JJ had the Jets. That was like a family bet on ringer wise. Guys like, you know, the Raiders lit up those cigars. That's a that's automatic. The spread should move three points the other way because, you know, maybe Antonio Pierce is the answer, but not not after last week. They're not going to come back. And I was actually impressed that he got them back in that game. A game that looked like no, no touchdowns are going to be scored.

But yeah, the Jets Collinsworth was on. I thought he did a good job today. He was on in the first half. He was saying they were leaving too many points on the table and like the first 20 minutes of that game. And then once things slowed down, the Raiders got momentum. That was it. 40 niners are home for the Bucs. And I'm going to say they nudged us just high enough so we're not allowed to tease it. I'm going to say 40 niners by nine and a half.

Yeah, you'll get it. I said eight and a half. It's ten.

Yeah. They don't they don't want us teasing the Niners.

Simmons. You know what's 2004 was calling. Why the 10.3 team teaser.

Oh it's time.

Really kicking on kicking down our door here. I don't know what you can do. I don't know if you have the ring app or something that you could figure it out.

What a great year that was. The Red Sox were making a run in the playoffs, and the ten points is won every week. And the Pats were on a 26 game winning streak or whatever it was. Well, we.

Got to really.

Had a great time.

So that was fun. And then the Dolphins ruined it. All right.

I'm a little scared of the bucks as a big dog.

Yeah. Have you noticed.

That twice a game Mike Evans just wide open 50 yards down the field for either a bomb or Baker over throws it. He just gets open twice a game for big plays.

I have to think that defense is back and they'll rattle Baker. And that'll be the answer more than anything.

But maybe wait was running the ball well I thought Tampa played well in that game. Yeah. Bills. Jets. In Buffalo. A tough one because we don't know what the bills are going to look like. Tomorrow. I have Denver tomorrow night. That was one of my oh, really? You know, our picks. Yeah, I like Denver tomorrow. I know you like the bills. We're we're against each other on that one. Yeah.

Because they're like even to make the playoffs basically like and if they lose tomorrow that's that's got to be it.

I'd just like Denver to cover. It's it's either seven A or seven. Right. And I just I don't know I just don't I don't see what the bills. But for this one I have the bills by eight and a half.

I had this exactly. I said seven. And this is payback for. For that crazy opening Monday. Right.

All right.

Aaron Rodgers.

All right. Here's what kind of week it is. We got a Perfecta that has five games in it starting with your Cowboys in Carolina. What who did you pay off to get this schedule this year.

It's nice right.

It's unbelievable. You go from the Tommy DeVito to the real Bryce Young. And the Panthers will lose.

By three touchdowns on Thanksgiving. We'll make we'll make it up to everyone. Don't worry about it.

Who do you play in Thanksgiving?

Washington always gives us a.

Oh that's sneaky. Yeah I'm going to say Cowboys by 14.5 at Carolina I.

Went high to also too high. But it's ten. Really? Ten. Let me see the move. Ten. Ten and a half. Okay.

Now, what was your pick?

I said 12.5.

Oh, so you beat me?

Yeah. Get that.

One. Cowboys by ten.

What do we. I mean, honestly.

Man, are we really. Team teaser? We have the Dolphins.

Well, there's another one in there. It might be two more.

Oh the Lions. Oh we're doing this. Yeah. Niners. Cowboys Lions Lions is our next one. Yeah. Lions are home for the Chicago Bears. Probably Justin Fields, right?

I think so, although I thought he was supposed to play this past Thursday too.

Do you do you think Dan Campbell is the number one coach that the people announced in the game love to get excited about?

Yeah, yeah. As soon as he said the thing about kneecaps, everyone flipped that. Why would a. Are you taking a shot at Roman here? What did he say? No, no.

No, it's just any time it's like for two, it's like, oh, Dan.

Campbell. Oh, yeah. And then they'll.

Cut to him and he's got the biceps going. They just fucking love Dan Campbell.

There used to be Riverboat Ron. And maybe he got like shy all of a sudden became bashful. And now he's like no I don't want to give the announcers anything to chew on.

Yeah. Now he's single down route. Run. No, I thought Romo was good today. I thought he actually called a lot of stuff that happened and was pointing out stuff. There's a couple of times when he was saying, oh, this is going to run right here because this is open. And then it would run in the spot. It was like old school. Romo like you had a dinner with him. I think you I think you rejuvenated him. That was it.

It's amazing what some Wagyu beef can do to man's persona.

He was good. I thought he was all over the game today. Uh, so I have Lions by 11.5 over the bears.

Wait, do you get it? I said seven and a half. It's nine and a half. So we split it. We split it normally. Never split like that. Okay.

If you don't beat me. This, that'll get higher.

All right. So Lions. Cowboys. Niners. Yeah. Or Lions.

Cowboys Miami finished taping.

So you're not taking Miami. All right.

I'm scared of Miami in the Raiders I don't know why there's history with that game. I don't like Miami in a big spread game with two when you just never know when he's going to get hit.

All right.

Chargers are at the Packers. And this is the classic. The line is going to be a little too high, because all the analytics are going to say the chargers are much better than the Packers. So I'm going to say Chargers by two.

Oh wow I said three. It's three and a half.

Oh if you blow this week. Well, what's so good about me? I'm not even winning this year. Well, I've.

Had some really bad guesses. I have a bad, bad one's coming up. That's where you'll make your ground.

Chargers three and a half at green Bay.

I don't like them giving points to anyone, ever.

But what makes anyone think the Chargers are going to go into Lambeau, even against a crappy Packers team, and just take care of business? That's a stay away.

Yeah, I'm not betting them anyway. But Jordan Love is uninspiring. Getting that ball down the field.

Next one is watched in his home for the Giants. I made preliminary picks on Friday and I changed his pick by two points. I have washed it now by six over the Giants.

I had six and a half. I can't believe how far off we are with this. It's nine and a half. This is another one that could be a three team thing.

No. This is. This is a red flag. This Washington team should never be favored by more than seven other.

I know you started this podcast saying you didn't watch Tommy DeVito or that Giants offense.

Was it that bad?

I just also they lost him already. Then they lose 14 seven. So it's got to be a little bit of revenge factor in here.

God damn it, you're going to beat me.

It's a little rich though. Nine and a half.

Seahawks are at the Rams. There will be 48,000 Seahawks fans at that game. Yeah 45.

Well, this was another one. Was that week one where the Rams won 30 to 13. Yeah. Yeah. I don't trust the Seahawks team. I'm off by three points. You got to steal this one.

I have the Seahawks by one and a half.

No you got it exactly. Yeah I said four. I didn't trust the Rams. But I think you're right. Seahawks might just be a fun team. That's very average.

Yeah, they probably should have lost the game today. And thank God they didn't because they they were in a lot of teases, but they barely squeaked it out Sunday night. Broncos Vikings in Denver. Josh Dobbs mania. We have no idea what this Broncos team. They might be really good tomorrow in Buffalo, or they might like this.

I hope they're just okay. So this will be a decent game.

I put this in the Tic Tacs on it. Broncos minus one and a half.

You got it. Exactly. I said one.

So we have two straight Tic Tacs.

Yeah 34567 8 to 1, 234567. You're up one.

I'm up one.

You're going to get. This was a Monday night.

Monday night. Chiefs. Eagles. In Kansas City, one of the three best games of the year.

Oh, so much, so much. Got the Kelsey's. They got all of it. So much. You understand? She changed the lyric to her song. And it's about Kansas City. I lost my shit.

It's not a great sign that he's flying around there in the season. I'd have to go back and remember if Brady was traveling like this during bye weeks. Yeah, if I was the Chiefs fan, I'd be losing my mind. I feel like you said years in Argentina.

I know it's.

Not like catches last week.

Right. He doesn't have like 14 touchdowns through the halfway mark. Yeah.

I have Chiefs by three over the Eagles.

Yeah. So we tie. So you win. It's two and a half.

Would you guess.

I know we both said three. So you want you won the week. The line is two and a half.

I think I like about that. I like the Eagles in that game.

Yeah, I think they're better. Yeah.

This is great.

It's really great that it's a Monday night. They both had a week off. It's sort of super Super Bowl esque, right? Yeah. They waited. There's two weeks in between games.

It was a crazy fantasy week with having Miami and Casey and Philly all off. It was it was like a bye week auction extravaganza. There were people getting picked up left and right.

I had a trade for Mac Jones. That's how bad it was.

Conference for FanDuel cases plus 220 Ravens have dropped to plus 550. Same for Miami Buffaloes 8 to 1. Bengals plus 950. Jacksonville just got their asses away. Plus 950 Cleveland 11 to 1. Then it dips down. The Chargers 28 to 1. Steelers 29 to 1. And the Texans are 32 to 1. And I can't recommend a single one of those bets. Not one I don't like I don't think any.

Of those do you? I liked. I put a lot of money on the Bengals to win the AFC at plus 700 on Wednesday or whatever. Now it's nine plus 950 and now they're going to lose again Thursday. It's going to be like 15 to 1. But I don't know. No you're right. AFC's a mess. And is it weird as a Cowboys fan that I saw the Niners play well and I'm like, oh good, I'm glad they're back. I'm glad the foreign items are back. I just feel I as a football.

We just needed more good teams. I felt.

Yeah, we need more good teams. We need more than three good teams.

Can I tell you another interesting anecdote? Here it is now 937 Pacific Time. So they have all the win totals for other teams. The adjusted win totals.

Other out already. Oh nice. Look at that. Yeah.

So like Arizona still four and a half etcetera etcetera. New England not on the board.

Really?

Why is that? You think they got a bye week coming up? Why? Why would their win total be gone? Mm. Makes you wonder. Yeah. Makes you wonder, doesn't it?

But why would would it be affected if the coach who can't win. Steps aside.

Maybe it's so low that they can't even make the money back at this point.

It was five and a half before this week.

I had my my BHS boost today that we put up. It was yeah Seahawks minus two minus ten parlay. They boosted it to plus 220 and it hit and it cost FanDuel $2 million. Really suck at FanDuel $2.

They're kind of a big sponsor. Don't think you should do that.

Oh I shouldn't taunt them.

That's why they're going to taunt you by putting the Patriots over two and a half as well. What would.

The Pats. What would it be. Three and a half.

Well, like I said, it was it was still five and a half going into this week. So they took.

The Giants down to.

Oh sorry Dave.

So maybe it's maybe it's all the bad teams.

Mm. I don't know why they're doing that.

Last thing. Make the playoffs. Bengals. Yes -132.

Now I love that they have this up here already. Wow.

Yeah. Yes. Minus they do some Vikings. Yes. -230. So they were like basically dead even. Yeah.

24 hours ago, there were plus two, 25, two weeks ago.

Yep. The Jets are up to plus 520. Pittsburgh's plus 116. And then let me. Oh Chargers.

Wait what do all those other AFC North's.

Chargers are plus 210 oh yeah Cleveland is -340. That's right. Mm. And then Baltimore is -950.

That's you know what's most amazing about that division which is the best division obviously. It's so physical. In all, four starting quarterbacks stayed upright I was going to say erect but upright.

And direct.

And direct.

Nice. Nice to direct. I think my favorite one is Atlanta is still plus 184 to make the playoffs. Like they they stink. They might fire their coach tomorrow. And yet there's still like a puncher's chance they could do it. And then our stupid New Orleans team, I guess they took that one down.

That's gone to.

Seattle's -340. And this is let.

Me ask you this. So we've been around betting forever. And so we know if we bet the bills to make the playoffs at -134 and the Bengals to make it at -132, we're definitely losing one of those we know we can't collect on two minus one 34 seconds. That's amazing.

Yeah that one of them. That seems a little improbable. Yeah. Quickly before we did a parent corner because I can't tell you how much NBA I've watched.

What's gotten into you.

Because we moved. I have like a better TV setup now. Like, I can actually watch basketball and hang out with my wife at the same time. It's phenomenal. Um.

I think we all have the same bet on now that that's not up right now, but the Clippers do not make the playoffs. Oh there it is. Yeah. Plus 146. Love it.

Clippers no playoffs is plus 146. And Memphis no playoffs is now -235 I don't think either of those teams are making the playoffs. Really okay. Yeah I and then the other one that's fascinating Houston now is yes plus 350. And they they've looked really good the first almost three weeks. But they had mostly home games. But I think they're legitimate I don't I think they're at least a playing team. So it's this can be one of those situations in the West where we're like, I can't believe that team didn't make the play in. There's gonna be at least one of those, right? And it'll probably be Memphis of the Clippers. The Clippers thing is an all time disaster because now they're going to have to trade. They're going to have to blame it on oh we got to trade Russ. And they'll trade Russ. They'll trade rest like Miami. And he'll be awesome in Miami. That would be.

My I can't feel bad for them at all. I got them at plus 192 not make the playoffs. And I was tickled when I heard they got Harden was like, okay, let's move that up.

You know Cleveland got Garland back and looked really good this weekend. And they're 11 and one in the East. And it's a it's a little low. But I thought, I thought from a value standpoint I thought that was pretty good. But the better one is there plus 160 to win the Milwaukee division. And those odds were like they were like 5 to 1 before. But I actually think they could win the division. I think Milwaukee is a real mess. Yeah, they're a mess.

Play defense.

They don't play defense and they're just old and slow, and they're so vulnerable to one of those guys missing a game.

You know I'm looking at this. You could take a lap for your NBA season tournament winner. Uh, well, not a prediction necessarily, but you said like these odds were to like the Celtics were like 9 to 1. All the good teams were 9 to 1. Celtics bucks 9 to 1. They're all down now I don't know. They played like I.

Told you the games they were plus 950 Denver and Boston was like that's too high. They got to fix that.

Yeah. Now it's half of that. Yeah.

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So all right so my kid he's nine. He won his flag football championship today. It's going to be ten. Not a big deal. But it is for my wife and I because we figured it out between our three kids and like 4 or 5 sports. They've been on about 40 teams with like like player playoff structured season endings. Right. This is the first championship out of 40 teams. And by the way, the trophy is the same size as the ones downstairs where he came in sixth place.

The participation.

Trophies. Yeah, exactly. They're all the same size. It doesn't matter because you have to get the names on them. So. But it was pretty cool. He plays with his cousin, my cousin Mickey's son Michael, and and it was great and it was very exciting. And the parents are all terrible. Um, and like the final game that we won, it's just 25 people chanting defense really loud, which is annoying in baseball. No, this is in football.

Yeah.

Flag football.

In football, they're chanting defense.

Yeah, baseball would be even dumber. What are you.

Baseball would be even weirder. Yeah. I'm at.

Football. Yeah. No, it's so that's annoying. But at least you're not saying bad things to other kids. Because in the semifinal game that we won, um, we had a guy that was a that was a questionable call by the ref, and he flipped out on our team, like on the kids, and he's like, and went to his kids and said, that's it. Let's show them what you're made of. I want you to shove it down their throats right now. I was like, Holy crap. And we're all looking at this guy, and no one's, you know, no one tells them that this is wrong. And and there's a woman shaking a cowbell to distract our players. And he got the coach screaming and a woman shaking a cowbell when we're on offense. And. And we win 18 to 6. And I get up and I say, what happened? What happened? Nothing got shoved down our throats. And I'm looking right at the guy and I'm like, walking.

I was like, I thought you were going to shove something down our throats. And we won 18. And I'm like, making a big, like, thing out of it. My wife's, I'm like, cut it out. Stop it. Don't be don't go to his level. I'm like, oh, I'm going to his level, I don't care. I am right there. I'm going way lower. And like, the coach is pissed and he's walking off in his roid rage. I'm like, come on, do the do the you know, when the parents do the tunnel, you're doing the soccer and then do the tunnel with us. Coach what are you doing? Like I'm like completely taunting him. And by the way, the other thing about it is the woman who was screaming and ringing the cowbell, one of their players got hurt and she ran over there and she's like, oh, I could help. I'm a nurse. I'm like, you're a nurse. You're freaking out, throwing this cowbell around and creating a scene.

Anyway.

The point is, I'm a lunatic and I'm not going to last another eight years with this ten year old, with the with sports that I imagine he's going to play through high school. You're going to have to read about me one night. Joe House is going to have to fill in because I'm in jail and I'm to tit for tat I don't like I don't let idiots get away with being idiots. And even though the kids couldn't care less. But I'm just warning you, this should have been a moment of pure joy for the kid. And I'm a jerk. And so is everyone else.

Well, I will just tell you that nine years old is usually the apex mountain for parents acting like complete assholes. And then it gets a little better each year. I think it's something about 8 or 9 because they were just little kids, but now all of a sudden they're just competent enough to be in exciting games to watch and people just lose their minds. I don't know, I.

Don't remember this. I mean, obviously we have older kids and I don't remember this like ten years ago. Is it like social media has given?

Yeah, I think football's something about flag football gets people crazy. Yeah. There's no I.

Think people everyone's a bigger asshole now because it's clear that you could be mean to people on social media and everywhere else. And and that just translates to the weekend probably didn't help either.

Yeah. So wait, who's sideline was chanting defense during a nine year old flag football game?

That was the good. The other the other teams.

Your parents.

No no no no that was that was our opponents in the final game. But that was a cakewalk compared to the semifinal game, where the coach was telling us what he's going to shove down our throats.

Very weird. Cheney defense defenses. Just bizarre. You don't.

Like the.

Defense? No. These kids are nine year olds. Like this is especially boys. Nine and ten are the sweet spots of just boys crying on the field at any given time. Yeah, right. Especially in baseball. That's where you have like the Little League pitcher gives up, you know, walks one guy and gives up one hit and he just starts sobbing when the manager comes out. Little boys are afraid. Oh yeah. It's like a 12. Fredo Corleone's out there. Can't yell at them.

Yeah. Oh I'm going to jail. I have a I'm going to have a similar fate to Fredo, I think unfortunately.

Did they know? Anybody know who you are at these games?

I don't know, I could I mean, I'm sure this doesn't help me, me talking about it, but I have had people come up to me that love listening to you on Sunday and listening to you scream at my coach.

My of corner. We lost another dog this week. Yeah, we lost Olivia. Who is? You know, I can't say she was my favorite dog, but she was with us for almost 15 years. But she had hit this point. I don't know, maybe like a year ago where it really seemed like conceivable she might live till she was 30. She was like, couldn't hear, couldn't see. And it was just it was like, how long is this going to go? So I was like, you know what this is? It was a good run. That was kind of my attitude. And then this weekend you kind of look around and it's like, I'm watching the stupid football game at 630 in the morning, and she would have been staring at me, waiting to get fed. And I was like, wait, what do I miss this dog? What's going on? So I'm kind of I'm kind of battling the emotions of, yeah, it's like a dog, like a bigger part of my life that maybe I wanted to admit because I was always like, Rufus was my favorite.

And then Murph's my favorite. She was always kind of the the stepchild in some degrees. And my wife loved there. But so yeah, I'm kind of kind of trying to figure it out. But what's interesting is I was gone with Murph when when she passed away. But Murph stupid, right? So I think he thinks she's coming back. Oh, really? And she's just been gone for, like, three days now. But it's. You can't talk to your dog, so I don't know what he thinks.

He doesn't seem extra depressed or anything.

No, no, not really. I think he just thinks she's on her way back at some point. So I'm going to have to tell him at some point.

You break it to him. That's going to be tough.

I'm going to have to tell him. So anyway, the whole my whole point for this is so we're down to two dogs. Yeah. And I'm good. I'm like, this is great. We got Jesse, who doesn't bother anybody. Great dog. She's just, you know, stays out of the way. And then Murph, who's, you know, almost like three dogs. I'm like, we're good. We're not getting another dog. So it kind of agreed on that. And then today, my wife's like, you know, I was looking at cats. Oh, and I'm like, what? What the hell? We're not getting a cat. And she's like, well, what? So I just know, like these next two months are going to be a nightmare because this is what happened with when we got Olivia. Initially we had Daisy died and we were like, oh, we'll just have Rufus. And then all of a sudden my wife was on Petfinder and the next thing you know, we had Olivia.

So I just know my wife is the all time mark right now. For somebody to stick a pet on us, right?

You shouldn't have told me that. That's good. That's a good prank for me. Yeah.

Yeah. If you want to prank me, just start sending my wife pictures of of dogs that need to be rescued and cats pictures.

I'll just leave them at your doorstep. What are you. What? What pet would you hate the most?

I just don't like cats. I don't like cats at all. I also.

There's no guarantee that cat's going to get along with the dog. There are cartoons that ran for five decades illustrating this.

Well, that's what I said to her. I was like, If Murph is the all time idiot, if we get a cat his whole life, like right now, he's feuding with the squirrel outside our house. This whole life revolves around running outside and trying to see if you can catch the squirrel. Like the cat's going to be that times 40. So we're like, we're going to bring a cat in. Like it's going to he's going to lose his mind.

Do you think she's just.

Letting you up to.

Do you think she's setting you up like cat, cat, cat. And then you're finally like, all right, fine, we'll just get a third dog, which is what she wanted in the first place.

I think it does feel like she might be manipulating me. Yeah, because then she was like, well, what if we got a smaller dog like Olivia? Right. Like what kind of small dog I don't want? Like a barking small dog. So then she's googling small dogs that don't bark, and there's like, there's all these searches for it, and it's like the Boston terrier. Pretty quiet. And who knows? I don't know what's going to happen. I'm already dreading it.

Well, I'm glad to see you won. I have one, and he's. I think he might be dumber than Murph. He really doesn't know what's going on. So. Yeah. And I rarely hear him make a noise. So. No, there's going to be no interrogation. One's good.

To go. Hijacked my parents corner. Which really should have been about the fact that my son was at camp all weekend at Dodger Stadium seeing Tyler and. Oh, yeah, Kendrick and Baby Keem and all these people that he loves is two straight days.

It's still going to pit.

He's like, oh, somebody threatened to stab me in the mosh pit last night. And I'm like, oh my God. It's happening.

You need a better you need a big dog. Think.

Well, that's the other thing I was thinking. If we get a third dog. Why not get like a giant, like, get like one of those big awesome Newfoundland's?

Yeah, right.

Yeah. Big like cuddly. Like, I've always loved those dogs. So if we're going to do it, I'd rather, like, actually do it. I don't want to do, like, the half assed we were a dog short. So all of a sudden we have, you know, Tyson Bhajan has to start for us. Like, I want to get like, let's get like a, let's get like a franchise quarterback.

I like leasing cars for this reason. Like I could have a new, different.

Every.

Three years. No, but it's like, all right, if I drive for 60 years, God willing, I'll have like 20 cars. That's kind of cool, right? But you should have. You should. You're a dog fan. You should have one kind of every dog. You haven't had the giant dog yet, right?

I haven't had the giant dog that's, like out of a movie yet. No. Yeah. So either the Great Dane or the Newfoundland. The problem is they have the short lifespans, like the Great Dane is like. It's like nine years, right? I like Great Danes.

What about a giant cat? That's it. That's the compromise.

I just don't like.

Cats, little cheetah. No, I mean, like exotic. You got to go big.

Oh, like like a bigger one. Yeah, a panther cheetah. Yeah, like a like a mountain lion.

Yeah. Did you see there.

Was this one thing recently where they're these these people breed wolves with domestic dogs. They're called like hybrid. Really hybrid wolves. And there was one on the loose in the Bay area. And it's like, if you see this, don't approach it. It's not a dog who's breeding wolves and dogs.

I don't know, but Merry Christmas.

Have you ever heard of this? The hybrid dog.

Man? Lathan wants one so badly. He's been talking about that. True. Like he's like making moves on one think.

And they're not totally legal, right?

I don't know, he said he talked to a guy about it. That's all I know.

Kyle. What do you think we should do for a pet?

I think you go medium dog or big dog. I think just just get it out of the way. That way, you won't be stuck with rabbits like me. I was just going to say.

Do you still have your rabbits?

I could probably drop the rabbit. What's she going to say? She's got it.

If you bring any fucking rabbits over here will kill you.

Damn it! You should have just done it.

Yeah, well, Kyle, let me ask you when you come over, if we had a third dog, what would be your dream dog? For us to get there, you'd be the most excited about. Like a Great Dane.

Yeah. Like there's some, like, Japanese, like akitas. Like. Yeah. Something big. Something like extraordinarily big. Yeah, that'd be cool.

The Akita is good. Those are, like, very loyal, good guard dogs.

Yeah, like something remarkable.

Like the Marmaduke one dog. I know we're going to end up with a third dog. I know it's going to happen. God damn it, I like I can't get a cat.

No, I don't get a cat.

That cats suck. Sorry, Mallory. I know Mallory is so super upset. Like cats.

No, you can't not. Not at this age. You don't. You don't get a cat right now.

Get the cats.

You don't like cats?

Just not a cat guy. All right, that's it for parent corner. Today's parent corner is brought to you by CarMax. Parenting is always going to be a little tricky and filled with split second decisions. But buying a car doesn't have to be with CarMax. You could take a full month up to 1500 miles to leave your car or return it. That's the 30 day money back guarantee. Learn more and find a car you love today@carmax.com. All right. Because what do we got.

I got a couple things. Cousin Sal's winning weekend Friday 10 a.m. we're going to have Eli Manning on I talked to him. We worked a few things out much like you did when you want to man and cast. I told him I hate his guts and he understood. He probably hates me too. It's weird when you want. You just want to hate these people and they end up being good and funny and, you know, knowledgeable. And he likes pranks and that kind of sucked. But there was that Against All Odds podcast twice this week. Bring a wise guys that's going to be on Sunday. You like that show. And through the ringer with Tate Tuesday morning and happy birthday to our cousin Jimmy.

Yes, 60 years old. Can't believe it. No, no not quite.

He's not there yet.

54 5556.

Six. I think he hit double nickels last year. Yeah.

56.

We're going to have a dinner to celebrate on Baby Doll, so we'll maybe report on that.

Well, do you want to tell that story really quick? Baby offered to pay for the dinner. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But I think he's setting a cap on it. Yeah, right. And he's being a little vigilant. And he's expecting you and Daniel to do the right thing. Yeah, that's the word in the street.

Good luck to him. I wish him a lot of luck.

He says we're all older, and I know the cousin. I know he loves to joke about padding the bill, but, you know, these are different times, and he would never do that.

What's the most expensive dog we could buy for you and add it to this bill somehow? Don't know where we'd have to go.

Oh, man. I'm going to end up with the Newfoundland.

Love.

I've always loved those dogs. All right, guys. Good job by you.

Good job by you, buddy.

All right, that's it for the podcast. Thanks to you, Cousin Sal. Thanks to Steve Seward and Kyle Creighton as well. Don't forget about a new rewatch was coming on Monday and the prestige TV podcast think we're doing The Crown and a couple other shows as well. And don't forget about the ringer dish, the new guilty pleasures that's going on there. And don't forget about Rob Padilla's new book, 60 Songs That Explain the 90s. I will see you on this feed on Tuesday. Doc rivers coming back. See you later.

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