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You struggled with this today, huh? Even early on.

It's so weird. You wake up, I'm just ready to watch Ring or Wise Guys and have my coffee at 8:00 in the morning. And you just you're up and then you're up. And then the day is going. I walked around Boston. It was 11:45. I still had an hour plus to go. It's so dangerous because the more time you have, the more you start trying to talk yourself into more bets. Although I did great today, so I wish I had talked myself in even more. But it's just you're waiting, you're waiting, you're waiting. And then by the time everything gets going, it's one o'clock. I'm from the East Coast. I don't know how the East Coast people do it.

Me too. We come back every week to do Kimal shows in Brooklyn and Monday night football starting at 8:20. It's like, What? I want to go to bed. This is insane.

Well, we had this Denver, Minnesota game tonight that kept me awake. That was pretty exciting. And it was one of those cases where it wasn't enough by Josh Dobbs. But on the other hand, it's amazing that Josh Dobbs is doing this and keeping his team in every week. You get the crack picked at him. I thought he got possibly concussed three different times during this game today, including the first quarter. But hung around, hung around, hung around. Puts Denver in the position of, come on, Russell Wilson. No way he brings them down the field unless something stupid happens. Nope, he just kept checking down, moving the ball down the field. You were calling it. You predicted it, I think, 20 minutes before it happened. Denver was going to score, not get the two-point and not cover the minus two and a half. And it was exactly what happened.

Yeah. Well, too many of my idiot friends had the Vikings money line for any other scenario to play out. Yeah, of course, Denver, I don't even think they tried the two-point convert. I was surprised they even tried. There's no way they're going to make this. So you might as well take a knee and avoid the nonsense where it gets brought back for points or whatever. But yeah, that was tough. You're for Dobbs, and then he does stupid things. Actually, the turnover, they kept turning it over and Denver couldn't must have more than a field goal out of it. Madison turned it over and he turned it over and it wasn't that good. But 2,120, 2,20 felt about right.

Denver is somehow five and five now.

Yeah.

In this bizarre AFC playoff race where we have five, we still have 10 teams alive and 500 or above. Plus, we have Vegas at five and six. And it looks like, oh, we have 11 teams, my bad. And it looks like the Chargers are now out. And we'll talk.

About them later. Last place in the west, right?

Yeah. So the big thing that happened today, Cleveland beats the Steelers in a game where Pittsburgh's Special Powers finally died. It was the classic setup where we watched them do this for two straight months and it seemed like they're going to do it again. This was a game that had 17 punts. This was a game that had 73 passes for 271 yards. They couldn't even combine, couldn't get to four yards apart. And a super violent game where it seemed like every single screen pass, bubble screen pass over the middle, somebody was just getting crushed. And Cleveland ends up winning it. And I thought our guy, DTR, did enough down the stretch. I think he was like four for four or five for five down the stretch, got a field goal drive. And now I have everybody else in the AFC North falling apart. Even Lamar is hurt. I'm starting to get ideas with Cleveland, Sal.

What do you think? They have seven wins. They're probably two wins away from making the playoffs, right? There's probably going to be a lucky nine and eight team and then ten and sevens the rest of the way. But yeah, you're right. It was exactly that. The Browns were about to put it away. And then the Stealers were like, No, no, we're the Stealers. We're the most full of shit team of all time. You're not allowed to win. And then that was it. Dtr went down and it was a good drive. Yeah, I'm watching it, guys. I'm like, Will you let me know when Picket has 50 yards passing? And there was silence for two hours. It's the same crap with them. It really is. So they deserve to lose one of these.

It reminded me of when we used to play tech mobile in college, not together because we didn't know each other. But tech mobile, the old version, used to have four plays. And if you call the play correctly on defense, this moment the person hiked it. There was 10 people behind the line of scrimage just annihilated the quarterback. And Cleveland had about 11 of those today, where it was like, They're hiking it to picket. Three guys are just charging him. There was no offense of mine. And then Pittsburgh was flying around, too. Actually, I was looking at Cleveland schedule with how good their defense is. They're at Denver next week. They're at the Rams, home, Jacksonville, home Chicago, at Houston, home Jets, at Sincey, who won't have Borough. But there's a case their defense can just win four or more by themselves, and they could get to 11 and six, which would get them possibly a five seed. And I think you want the five seed this year because that's probably Jacksonville or Houston, and those are the teams you'd want to play.

I don't know, though. Do you think so? I was trying to think of that ranking the top four seeds in the AFC. And everybody's got like two.

Or three- Give me your four. Let's do the draft.

I really don't know because... Well, I was just thinking, like Jacksonville, we wrote them off last week because they got crushed by the 49ers, but they had won five games before that. Then they won Handly today. Lawrence and... The one hookup that we're probably haven't seen like formulate but would be afraid of is Lawrence against Ridgeley. Not against, but Lawrence and Ridgeley. And that seems to be developing a little bit here. So that could get scary down the stretch. But why would you think Baltimore or Kansas City or Jacksonville? How would you even know to rank them right now?

Tennessee seems like they packed it in for the season. Yeah. And if I'm looking at Jacksonville's wins, Indianapolis, Atlanta, Buffalo, Indianapolis the second time, New Orleans, Pittsburgh, and Tennessee.

Yeah, I'm just talking about seed. How do you.

Know- I'm just not that impressed by them. Don't you think Houston could potentially beat them in week 12? And then all of a sudden, now Hustons or whatever? They're already beat them. I'm the most suspicious to Jacksonville.

Yeah. So that would be the fore.

Yeah. I think even though Miami looked a little goofy today, I still would think I would have KC Baltimore, Miami, levitating above everybody else, whoever wins the AFC South. And then probably Cleveland in the driver's seat now at this five-spot. But what's crazy is that Houston, because they stole that Arizona game today, it's now pretty realistic. Houston can get in, especially if they beat Jacksons and the next week. The AFC is super fun. And then we didn't even mention Buffalo and Stacey are still on the outside looking in. And I think those were two teams that people were buying futures for for the AFC. They're preseason favorites with some people, and neither of them might make it.

It's so funny. I think it's super fun. I don't mind if Cleveland gets in. I have money on them doing just that. And Houston, Stroud's fun. I had a little tough go of it today, even though they pulled it out. But I also don't feel like we're allowed to have fun things in the AFC with Borough being out. And probably Josh Allen, let's look at their next four. And they're a crap team, but everyone loves Herbert. So you're likely not going to see at least two of those three, probably all three of those quarterbacks.

So we have in that Brown Steeler's game, the Browns after that game, they have allowed 243.3 yards per game on average, which is the lowest since the 08 Steeler's 238.1 who went on to win the Super Bowl. Now they had Ben Rothesperger, they had Heinz Ward, probably a better running game. The Browns couldn't get their running game going at all today. But this is a pretty big sample size now. Now that's two-thirds of the season where you're like, All right, we haven't seen this in 15 years. That's not nothing.

The Browns are, yeah, they're a top five team against the past over the last two decades. The numbers bear out. You're right. And there's enough games to look at. There was a moment. Did you see the Miles Garrett moment where he actually had a helmet? Everyone was getting PTSD. It was like a Triple-H moment with the sledgehammer. Oh, no. He's like, Is he going to do.

It again?

He showed mercy on everyone. He just handed it back.

Well, I'm looking at the teams they're playing next. I don't know, it felt like Wilson. It feels like you can get to him. I don't think Denver is going to be able to throw in them. The Rams today, Stafford, barely made it through that game. We'll talk about that later. And then they'll have some tests later. But yeah, I think the Browns are going to make the playoffs. That was one of my takeaways from today that just their defense is good enough that that unit is probably good enough to get them there, despite what we saw in offense, which was.

Pretty awful. Couple more wins. They were minus 3.45 this time last week when we did it. So people definitely looked at their schedule and said it was soft.

Well, and then you saw the chargers, I think, wave the white flag. The red flag, the brown flag, the blue flag. What's the worst possible flag they could wave?

They've got someone wiped their ass with a flag and they wave the brown flag. That's it.

That's what they're worthy of. It was the poop brown flag. Five of the chargers, six defeats this year have been by a combined 14 points. And I don't know, we're typing this pretty late on Sunday night. We might wake up tomorrow and that might be for Staley. Staley, did you see his quote after the game?

I got angry. Yeah, I saw it. What did he ask them? I'm calling the defense?

Yeah. What did he say? I can't read it because they're asking like, Now are you going to give up the defense? After Jordan Love drove down the field and got the game-wining drive on you. And he got mad. He said, I have full confidence in our way of playing, full confidence in myself as the playcaller and the way that we teach and the way that we scheme. Full confidence in that. We've got to bring this group together and do it consistently, and that's where it's at. You can stop asking that question. I'm going to be calling the defenses, so we're clear? You don't have to ask again. He sounds like He did it. A few good men. Are we clear? Crystal.

But he did it in your voice.

Yeah, he did it. For some reason, he was talking like me. It was so weird. That wasn't a soundbite.

From a gambler's perspective, though, you see the Packers plus three. You're like, I don't like the Packers. I don't think Jordan loves good. But why would the Chargers be favored over anyone? This is going to be one of those stupid games. Who is it? Quentin Johnston dropped that pass, could have a touchdown, whatever. There's always going to be one or two of those. So why would you ever trust the Chargers?

To me, that was one of the few games this year that if you gambled on it, you probably have a gambling problem. For anyone to look at the Packers Chargers in Lambo and be like, I know it's going to happen. I have a feeling there's just no way. Nobody knew. The players didn't know. There was no trend to follow. But it's interesting. I do think the Packers' love is starting to get at least a little confidence with his receivers. Watson finally scored. I waived Watson from my third and final fantasy team that I had him on yesterday. And I was like, I know he's going to score now. I've been carrying him like a cankersoar for nine weeks or 10 weeks, finally got rid of him. But he got going. That Reed is pretty good. Hes pretty good. He had a running touchdown today. Romeo Dobbs, Musgrave. There's signs of them being a little spoilery in the second half and at least beating somebody. And the Lambo crowd was into it. They're also- Maybe.

Even on Thanksgiving. Maybe even a little spoil there. Who knows? It can't all be easy.

They're not out of the playoff race. That's right. So Minnesota is now six and five as the seven seed. And they have a game and a half lead over Atlanta's four and six, Ram's four and six, Green Bay four and six. But one of those teams could make a run. It might be the Rams, but I would probably pick them over the Packers. But we're just not going to be able to cross any... If we did the cross-ups right now, I don't think we get to 10.

We can't. I mean, the Commanders were on the NBA graphic a few minutes ago, and they're four and seven. And they're as bad as... I don't know why, but I could talk about that game for 40 minutes. I didn't even know the result of it until I read Magic's tweet, and it really takes you through the whole journey. Can you read the tweet? It's really something else.

Do you have it?

You want.

Me to read it? Yeah. Call it the Magic tweet.

All right. I'll pull it up in a second.

Hold up.

Well, get ready because you're sitting down. I mean, it's emotional.

Yeah, let's hear it. All right.

I have it.

If you can't find it. I got it. Write it.

All right. Wow! My Washington commanders turned the ball over six times today and gave the giants 24 points off turnovers. We lost 31-19.

That was a tweet.

That was it.

I saw somebody tweeted underneath it who has a following with something like, Come on, Magic. I'm typing the game. Don't tell me what happened. Is he.

Going to have an app with, God forbid, all the scores? I mean, what's next to him?

It's got to be a bit at this point. Kimal asked him about it when he was on the show, right?

I think so. He never got around to it.

He was supposed to. Oh, he never actually got around to it. Okay. Yeah, it's got to be a bit. So our guy, Tommy DeVito, got a win today.

Yeah.

Actually, he's pretty competent. He threw some dimes because I was in Boston. I only had the one TV with the YouTube TV on it. So I had Red Zone in one of the squares, which was the first time I'd done it that way. And every once in a while, DeVito would pop up with some throw on a rope. I'm like, What happened? It's the same guy who couldn't complete pass for a month.

That was a physical game. They were going at it. Every play by the sidelines was like, no, they added about seven seconds to the game. I think this is one of our policy firing, Bill. I think Row Boat Ron has to go into the GM's office and they say, Hey, we like you, but Tommy DeVito lives with his parents, and he threw three touchdown passes against you. Nothing personal. We have to let you go. His mother washes his underway, you're fired. That's it.

The Jets have scored 149 points in 11 weeks. You have to now go. I looked at Rivera's career. So this is his 13th season. He's only had three winning seasons. Were you aware of this?

Magic didn't tweet it, so how would I ever know?

Yeah. Somehow this is his 10th of 13 losing seasons, but somehow career is 102 and 96 because he had a 15 and one season and 14 and two season with the Panthers. But 10 out of 13 losing seasons.

That's.

Spectacular. Who's going to do that again? That's got to be some record. I'm with you. I actually think there's some second coach fired, I guess, would be the bet potential tomorrow. And I'm not.

Sure who is. Stanley versus Robo Ron? Yeah, that was my eliminating. I got crushed. But I look at these box scores, the giants had zero rushing yards with nine minutes left in the third quarter. The Comies had nine sacks.

The first.

Downs were 28, 13, Washington. Time possession, Washington won by nine minutes. I don't know how the hell they lost this by double digits.

Crazy. Well, it was- And yet it doesn't matter. -for the Patriots because now the Pats are right there, number three.

Right.

You can write in the mock draft. Just put Marvin Harrison Jr. Right next to us. That's what you want. That's what you want. Caleb Williams, too. Marvin Harrison Jr, three. Well, we might go higher than that.

Yeah, nobody wants to... I mean, the bears were fighting for you a little bit. They blew a 93 % chance of winning there.

Oh, my God. Let's take a break. I want to talk about the bears and I want to talk about Arizona. All right. So you mentioned the bears. So that was the game that everybody and their brother teased or had in a moneyline parlay or a million other things. And the game is over. God is falling apart. Goff is 2020 Goff. It's just like flashbacks to the last ramp season. He's just throwing the ball to the other team. The bears are really impressive on defense. They finally had their full team. They're flying around. They actually looked like a professional team. And then offensively, it was the version of fields. We've all gambled on all the different versions of fields. This was the scary version where it's like just a lot of plays, him controlling the ball, him hand off. Oh, no, he didn't hand off that time. He's just running around doing that sweep, cutting back in, getting eight yards, throwing a couple of long completion, and it really looked like they were just going to win. They go up 26-14. I have the lions and the teas down to one and a half. And I'm just like, my brain is racked.

How are they going to pull this off? Oh, they're going to have to get a touchdown, stop, touchdown, two-point. And then it happened. And Jeric Goff just woke up. He became 2023 Goff. They fly down. They get a touchdown. They get a really nice stop against the bears. They come back down. They get the touchdown. They get the hold your breath to point. They even get the safety.

They almost covered the.

Spread outright. Almost covered the real spread.

Yeah.

They scored 17 points in six minutes.

Crazy. Yeah. He shoves the obese line men through the end zone when the ball gets kicked. Otherwise, that's covered.

That was the game of the day. Chicago couldn't close it, though. They had fields. It was 16 for 1-0-4 rushing, and it was 16 for 23 passing and they needed 10 yards. They did the most predictable play as possible, got stuff, hunted.

They weren't used to it. It's not their fault. They're like, We're not used to this. What are we supposed to do? We're up 12 or four minutes left.

How do we get that last first time?

What are we doing? Somebody else take over here?

I will say if we're talking December spoilers because we know we have those coming, I think Chicago is one. I think Arizona is one because I thought Arizona was really good at that Houston game. They had a couple of bad luck plays. They had a couple of penalties on big plays where plays got called back. But if you're just looking at who can fuck over your three-team teaser that you're so excited to make in week 14, 15, those are two candidates for me.

There's no walkovers. I hope you're right because the Eagles end with the giants twice and then Arizona. Those are the last three games. I pray that you're right that one of those gets screwed up.

I think this was a really bad seven days for Detroit's Defense. They gave up in the last two weeks, Chargers last week, bears this week, not exactly two juggernauts. They gave up 759 yards. They gave up 49 first downs. They gave up 135 plays. And the reason I mentioned that is because it just seemed like the other team in both those games had the ball forever. And in the Chargers game, their offense was able to just come back down and erase it right away. In this game, golf was throwing picks, which made it worse. But their defense got a stop at the end. And Hutchinson was great today. But I don't think they can cover... What I don't mean cover the spread. I mean, I don't think they can cover. And if we're just looking at who's getting out of the NFC, I think Philly can throw in them. I think San Francisco can throw in them. I think your team could throw in them. And just the more I watched them, I can't take them seriously as a team that can win the NFC.

Is it possible they score too quickly? Because like you said, they don't have the ball. Time possession was 40 to 20 today, and it seemed like more. And I think their defense is just washed when they're on the field. Everybody gets full possessions against them, three and four drives at a time.

It gets to the point where you're surprised that they get a stop, which I don't think is where you want to be as a defense. I saw Dan Campbell had a great postgame. I was watching those. That should just be a Twitter account where it should just be locker room speeches. I feel like I missed two-thirds of those, but he had a really good one. He gave the game ball to Hutch. Hutch gave in. He gave the generic player speech. Way to keep crying, fellas. Let's go. Next week, we're building something special here.

Was nice. Hard Knocks was back. Yeah, I thought one of those teams, either my team or the Lions, was going to look ahead to Thursday. And it was the Lion, both won, but it was the Lions for sure.

I think your team was trying to look ahead to Thursday.

Yeah, they were.

But Carolina wasn't having any of it. I got to say, I knew you would watch that game, so I avoided that on my four TVs. How was it?

It was fun. Well, there was a minute where it was a little dicey, but they're just not a good team. And like I said, I was about to say, they're undisciplined. And I know you're a big Frank Wright guy, but no, I think add him to the list. I don't know. They should be a little better than that. But we have a guy, Deron Bland, who has four PIC 6s this year, a Fresno State, fifth round there last year. I don't want to mention some receivers that that four touchdowns is more than for a cornerback. But Derek Henry has four. There's a lot of guys who you'd expect to have four touchdowns that don't. So that's promising.

Well, our guy, Frank Reick, is on the hot seat. That was reported before the game. Then they got spanked. And when the new owners, the guy can come in within the first five years, be paying two different coaches that he's fired on top of the coach that he hasn't hired yet, it's got to be a name for that. Really hard thing to pull off where you're like, I'm so bad at hiring coaches. Remember this happened to the Browns owner when he came in. What was that guy? Mike Pettin? Yeah. And then he had Rob Chizinsky. They brought in a third guy, and they're like three different coaches in.

Three years. Yeah, Hazel is a disaster.

The Hazel and the- The Hazel and the triaka.

Oh.

The Raiders. Yeah, it's the Mark. It's the Mark Davis. The Raiders are doing that, too.

Yeah, I think he likes it, though. I think he gives himself a bonus if he keeps more than three coaches on the payroll or something. But the other thing is they're on discipline, like I was saying. They had two or three. They had three personal fouls, the Pathers. And that's terrible look for a coach. It's one thing if you get manhandled, but not good.

Yeah. I always thought five-yard penalties are always a good litmus test that your team isn't really well coached. The unnecessary roughness, all those 15-yard personal foul penalties, that's always a good indicator. And then having a shitty record, that's another- Yeah, that's true. Another thing I'd like to look at. Hey, if you look at the NFC playoffs right now, our round one matchups would be Detroit against Minnesota.

It's a good one.

San Francisco against Seattle. And your team playing New Orleans. Your team has won the lottery with this round one in the NFC. You're paying somebody- So.

It's the same thing.

-you're playing New Orleans or Atlanta. And it looks right now you have a two-game lead over anybody who can get the five seed. So you could be in the rare situation of resting your guys because you've locked down the five seed, getting ready for- I think we did it last year. Yeah.

When we went to Tampa to.

Do.

Away with Tom braided in his career, we ruined his career. So yeah, that was last year. Yeah, I hope it's not like you said it where all those division matchups that we've seen twice already. What did you say?

Minnesota, Detroit, and then Seattle, San Francisco? Yeah, right. Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Seattle, and New Orleans, Dallas. And then on the other side right now, it would be... The other side is great. These are boxer matchups where it's like puncher against the boxer type thing. Baltimore against Houston, that could be the two-seven if things ended right now. Miami, Pittsburgh. Can you think of a weirder matchup than that? One team is all offense and the other team can't score. It's pretty good. Although Miami's defenses look a lot better lately. And then Jacksonville against Cleveland would be the four or five. And if I'm Cleveland, if I can lock down that five seed and know I'm playing Jacksonville and Jacksonville where Jacksonville isn't even really that good, that would be the win.

Yeah, out of those three, you would rather go to Jacksonville than Baltimore or Kansas City, for sure. No question.

The other weird thing that happened was the MVP right now, my homes and hurts are in a dead heat now, 3:1. Yeah, tomorrow- And it feels like whoever wins tomorrow, that will be the favorite. Lamar is at plus 450, two is 6:1, Burrows out. Your guy, Dax at 16:1. Purdy's back. He's at 16:1, Straub 20:1, and Josh Allen, 20:1.

Well, Daq was 30 last week. Yeah, it's getting good. It's getting good. They're both 300. I was going to look at... Well, now it's screwed up because I assume that Minnesota will win that game, which would be a big push for Dobbs, for the comeback player of the year. Bill, I almost compared Josh Dobbs to Patrick Holmes. I had to stop myself. I had to stop.

Myself, Bill.. There's a good college for it today. Judy faked the throat of the right when he was running. Oh, he went past and Klazer was like... He was running past the Cawd's word. It was like, Oh! It was like, chortling.

For a minute and a half, he lost his mind. But O'Connor, I thought for Coach of the Year, O'Connor and Ryan's for Houston, I think are making a move on the captain there. It could be close.

Dolphins Raiders, we mentioned. A really bizarre game that I had... I won all my million dollar picks. I did the sweep this week. I saw that. The four and out. But one of them was Miami-First-Half Miami game parlayed with Dallas-First-Half Dallas game. And Miami is just making you sweat the whole time. And it's like, why am I even sweating this? Their defense is dominating the Raiders. O'connor's, he completed long pass. That was it. And it was one of those two games where he threw one pick, but it felt like he could add five.

He got JJ upset by saying that. John Jostremski got very upset.

Well, it was... Sorry, I speak the truth. It was one of those games where he was just staring at whoever he was going to throw at right away. And sometimes it's great if he gets rid of in two seconds. But when it's three seconds, four seconds, it's pretty easy to jump in front of it. But I just didn't think he was good. I thought their game plan was weird. It felt like most of it could run on the whole game. They weren't doing it. And the Raiders were hanging around, hanging around, hanging around. They almost covered the first half or won the first half. And then down the stretch, they had the ball down seven with a chance to tie the game and missed a couple of throws that it felt like if the throw had been on. I don't think O'Connor was bad. I didn't think it was good either. It was better than Bryan Hoyer.

Toe-tapping out about... Yeah, I had the Dolphins all over the place. I was like, This is going to be the one blowout. I'm not going to screw around with teasers too much. And then as soon as that, I don't know if you saw the first drive where... Who was it? Mayer? Who was the tight end that caught the ball? And then they said it was no fumble, but it was returned for touchdown by the Dolphins. As soon as they called that back, I was like, All right, I don't have to watch the rest of the game. It's going to be a nail biter.

It's going to happen. They called that one in. Tyreke now has 1,076 yards and eight TDs.

He's sad a little, too.

I don't know. What's the record now? They have seven games left? 2,000 is going to be hard, I think. Yeah. 2,007 games, or I'm saying he'd need, I guess, 924 more yards in the next seven games. That's about maybe 1.30 a game. It's doable, but it doesn't give him any room for a shit game out of any of the next seven. Plus, they're playing on Thursday.

They have to need that last game, too, against the Bulls. Who knows?

Vegas is five and six, but I think they're a cross-off because they still have KC twice. They have Minnesota. It just feels like there's three more wins. That feels like an eight and nine team to me. The Bills got back. They got the Mojo back a little bit.

Yeah, we should have seen this. This should have been our only bet of the week.

A bunch of people were mentioning how when Josh wins. I think Lombardi had this on one of his platforms where he was saying when Josh has won 60 games and 45 of them, he's also covered or it's been a big spread. So winning wins are also covered. Yeah. I was too scared after watching that Denver game. I know. I just couldn't do it. And I wasn't going to bet on Zach Wilson either, so that was a stay away for me.

I feel like the short week applies to the grudge you hold against the team, too. Not you, everybody. Me, me, too. If they had lost that game on a Sunday to Denver, I might have been over it by then. But they lost on Monday. It was still fresh. It was a night game. But when you looked at the jets and you're like, Wow, they have two touchdowns and 55 drives. And one of them, the Eagles let them in. They let them score. This team cannot move the ball. If you believe at all that the Bulls have a chance to make a run at anything this year, it has to start with this game right now. And they lost to week one. I mean, for God's sakes, it was all there for us. I don't know why we didn't do it.

And the Zach Wilson thing, it felt like the ship failed a couple of weeks ago. Sala now is finally... They have the Black Friday game on Friday. Great idea, by the way. Great marketing. Fun to say. Black Friday game. Oh, my God. And Sala would not commit to a starter for that game. I don't know what's taking him so long. But Flacko signed with the Browns. Is Flacko worse than Zach Wilson? I would say about as replayable as we've ever seen a quarterback. They run these replays of Garrett Wilson running this perfect three-step cut, cut, double cut back. And he's opening turns and Zach's already there, and he's throwing his hands up. And at some point, you've just completely lost the team. And it felt like today was the day.

He's bad. No question about it. But I really don't want to give Rogers credit here. You think he'd be that much better with this team? You think they'd break like 21 points every week? I think that-.

And they definitely got smoke today.

Yeah, their offense is pretty flawed, actually. I know we get excited about Bruce Hall and Garrett Wilson, but there's not a lot of time, not a lot of separation if you watch it. And now they got this boil guy who's Roger's friend, right? Yeah. Did you see his stats? I know he's been a pro for a minute. He's got a couple of stats. But out of college, for Yukon, he had one touchdown and 13 interceptions. How does a guy like that get drafted?

Oh, my God. That was like Davido, too, right? Davido is like the run of the mill at Rucker's.

1:13 is a crazy ratio.

There was a Rogers thing today about how the jets are in disbelief. There's some report, the jets are in disbelief. The tape they've seen him, and he might start practicing December second. It's just all genius by Rogers.

I agree in the disbelief.

I could have come back, but now we're out of the playoff race. So I'm just going to wait till next year. Just perfect. What is he coming back to? They have no chance in the AFC. They're so far back now. You would need at least one of Pittsburgh, Houston, Buffalo, and even Sincey with their backup QB would all have to go the other way and then have to leapfrog them. And by the way, they have to be Miami in this Black Friday game.

Yeah, that'll be seven, right? Will that be seven losses?

Yeah. Yeah, that's a wrap. That's it. Rogers is going to come back for the game after two and a half months. This is the dumbest story. I said this last week, doubling down. This is one of the dumbest stories. I can't believe people are reporting this. Right. This is a real thing. Oh, he might go, Oh, you never know. He's targeting the December 16th game, is he? He's going to play? He's going to play football this year? Get the fuck out of here.

How much do you believe he's sending the player's videos? They're all to a man, they're stunned. They can't believe the progress he's made. They're probably like, Now, screw you, man. This is either a fake injury or get the hell back or stay away and rehab like everybody other 40-year-old that would have this injury.

Rediculous. Right now, Shiel Kapadi had tweeted this, The Bulls have a plus 104 point differential on the season, which is fourth in the NFL and second in the AFC. They haven't lost the game by more than six. And their offense is fourth in EPA per drive and second in success rate. So they're like the classic if you just didn't watch football and you're on an island and somebody was sending you stats like you're a Desmond and lost and you're just like, Whoa, the Bills. They might bet you just didn't see any of the actual games. You think they were doing well. I have not changed my opinion of them after that Jets game. They fired Joe braided. I'm sorry, they hired Joe braided because they fired Ken Dorsey. We didn't get to talk about- Well, Dorsey.

He had it coming, man. They had 12 men on the field. That's his fault. They should have told somebody. Pass interference at the end. That's the OC.

He signally condoned it. We didn't talk about the borough thing because Mallor and I talked on Thursday night. We figured it wasn't great, but we didn't think it was he's just done for the year. I don't know if that Bengals team would have had it anyway because of the schedule they had coming and some of the games they'd already given away. But man, that was abrupt.

They were winning. They were beating the Ravens, right? Yeah. Are they up 10-7 or something. He's going to keep them in every game. But yeah, it's just such a bummer. I hate it. And I came at the end of our podcast last week. I said, Isn't it remarkable how the AFC North, as gritty as it is and as many injuries as this has been for quarterbacks, the AFC North has four guys still standing starting quarterbacks. And another game wasn't even played. And DeSian Watson went out and then Burrow went out Thursday.

Right. We lost two since last week, plus Lamar is hurt. And Kenny Pickett's morale is crushed. Yeah. So there's no help. Exactly. I picked up DTR in our Keeper League last week because I had Burrow. Burrow murdered my week this week and really murdered my season when you throw in the first two games. I love Joe Borough, but it's just... It's part of being fantasy. It was not the year to have Joe Burrow. So now my quarterbacks next week in our stupid flex league that Dave Chang convinced us to do before he went off to cook at the F1 race. I'm going to have Aidan O'Connor and Dorian Thompson-Robison as my two flex QBs. Somebody should declare my team out for the year like Joe Burrow.

I had Tommy DeVito starting today. Yeah.

You started, Tommy?

Yeah, of course. I had to get him in there. Oh, my God. There's no option. So now you're going to have to bid on the Bangles on Browning, right?

Yeah. I don't know if I'm going to do that. You're going to open it up. I might just hold my nose. The only other game we mentioned, Ram Seahawks, I snuck out a million-dollar pick win of the Rams because it was plus one, we did million-dollar picks. By the time it got to the game, it was either minus one or minus two today, rams. So it's either a push or a loss if you had them at minus one and a half, minus two. First of all, Aaron Donald, it seemed like he actually killed Gino Smith. He hit Gino Smith. The hardest I have seen a quarterback get hit in five years where there wasn't a flag. He did the same thing we've watched over and over again, where he was throwing the ball. He hit him with both hands. It seemed like heelmet to heelmet and shoulder to both shoulders. They just let that one go. And Gino, it was like, Oh, my God, is he going to get up? Holy shit. No quarterback has been hit like that this year. Gino leaves. He's got this big giant thing on his right arm. And and Drew Lock comes in and the rams are down 16-7.

And I'm like, Oh, my God. I might be able to steal this one and go figure the rams come down and they get it. It was the bad coaching Olympics, though. We were texting to go nuts down this one.

Well, I live bet the RAMs that minus 150, they didn't even have the lead. It was 16, 14. They're going to go right down here and kick a field goal, and then Drew Lock is not going to be able to do anything. And then McFay had... I don't know. We met McFay. He's a very nice guy. I feel like he liked us, but he keeps screwing me over here. Not why are you throwing on second down incomplete? You could have killed the clock totally against Seattle. And then in comes Gino. And the guy for Seattle who hadn't missed, who was a really good kicker, misses. Who is it? Jason Myers?

Yeah, he missed that long film. Yeah, he had to keep the clock moving three times. So Seattle would use all their timeouts. For some reason, he threw a really high degree of difficulty slant pass on second down. And not only did that not work, but it stopped the clock. It bought them an extra 35 seconds. And all of a sudden, Seattle is driving down. They hit Metcalfe right over the middle, which was like, I wish there was a way to live bet just that pass because you knew they were going to throw it to him. And then Myers comes out. Myers, I have him on one of my teams this year. He's been money. He's had some four field goal games. He's been great. Pushed it. Just shanked it. And the Rams stayed alive. And the Rams, that was either the end of their... That kick was either the end of their season or now they're getting ideas. I thought Stafford for the first three quarters of that game was awful. And then he heated up down the stretch. By that, he missed Puca in the end zone at one point. He threw it on the wrong shoulder.

And just in general, it was sailing throws and-.

Yeah, Puca throws off-balance. I almost think even though there are two games behind Seattle, I think the Rams might be in maybe a better spot. Is that crazy? Did you see the next four for the Seattle? I don't know if they win one. 49ers- Give it to us. 49ers at Cowboys, at 49ers versus the Eagles.

Holy shit.

Could they beat six and eight?

Well, and plus you look at the games that they've won. Now they beat Detroit early in the season, but they have wins over Carolina, the giants, Arizona pre-Kyler. They beat Washington. They beat Cleveland during, I think it was, I can't remember if the... I've never been played in that game. They've lost to the-.

No, that was a PJ Walker game. Pj Walker, two interceptions.

They've lost to the Rams twice. They lost to Sincey and they lost to Baltimore. So they're not even the good, bad team. They're like the half-decent good, bad team. But yeah, they have to- Do they have to play off things.

Up yet? No, they might not have them up then. Yeah, I might bet them to not make it. I just don't know who would steal it from them. It would have to be the Rams or-.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I can't out Atlanta yet because they went back to Ritter and they're saying all the right things about he needed a reset, whatever. I actually like some of the throws he makes in these games. It's just he would make two, three stupid plays a game. But he can throw the ball down field. They can run the ball. They've been in all.

These games. It didn't bug me today on his by-week. That's about it. I can actually think of Tampa. I think you called it with Tampa. They were gutty today. And you're right about Mayfield. He's always going to be about one or two throws that you can count on him making it, like Evans or the tight end, Otton or Godwin.

I wonder if there's a way of math. It does feel like there's going to be an eight, nine team in the NFC. Now, it might be the NFC South team. It could be the Seven Seed, which I don't know if that's ever happened. We're a wildcard team, hasn't even been 500. That'd be tough. There's an 8-9 feel with the NFC. All right, we're going to take a break and then we'll do guest lines. All right. You mentioned the Niners Bucks that we talked about right before the break. Purdy's last two games, 40 for 51, 629 yards, 6 TDs.

No exceptions. We can't do this again. We can't do another round of this.

Purdy's back, man. They did lost Hufanga, though, which I think he's out for the year. And that was a do it all guy for them on defense. So that's not awesome.

Okay. They look good, man. They look rock solid. I don't know who announced it. They're like, And now the 49ers are in first place and Seattle relinquishes. I'm like, What? That seems like that was three weeks ago, but they're that good.

Well, Sal, it's finally happened. Week 12, we have three Thanksgiving games. We have a Black Friday game. We have a bunch of Sunday games. We have a Sunday night game and a Monday night game.

It's my favorite week.

And we have giants, Patz, which has a chance to be the worst game of the year. This Black Friday game, pretty great idea. Yeah. I always felt like on Friday, people are online. You might be going out. Good day to go out, maybe hop to a mall, maybe go to the beach, do something with the kids or the family or whatever. But it's always like, I wish something was on TV other than this college game that I don't care about.

Good time, though, too. It's 3:00 Eastern, noon Pacific. So it's not like a 9:00 AM. It's right in the middle of stuff, so you can get stuff done otherwise.

I just wish the jets weren't involved because it's just a really tough watch. I can't only imagine how the jets fans feel. I've seen enough jets this year, and I'm not even a jet fan. They really -were just playing, and I'm good. I don't want to watch another minute of them.

They fell so in love with the idea of Aaron Rodgers being on this team. The Bill's jets was a four o'clock kickoff today. Why the hell would that? Well, who would care about that? And then, like you said, this Black Friday game. But all right, so be it.

Well, as usual on Thanksgiving, we have a blowout game, a seemingly favorites going to win game, and you throw them in a tease, but then you're going to have to sweat it out. And then we have a really good game. I think they figured out how to do it intentionally where the lines are always four points apart. What is our record against each other this year? Are we tied?

You're creeping up on me. It's 5, 4, 2. I have the lead.

Okay.

I don't like it. But I was way off on a lot of these. I'm not going to give you any more hints here on how to play this, but.

All right. Thanksgiving game number one, we go to Detroit, as always. This used to be a horrible location for the first Thanksgiving game. Yeah. Now the lions are actually fun to watch. They're hosting Green Bay, who's looking a little frisky, who should be able to throw in them. Wherever this lion is going to be, I'm going to want to tease the lions, and I'm going to talk to myself out of it, but I'll end up doing it. I have lions seven and a half.

Here we go with the cheating. I said seven. It is, in fact, seven and a half.

I just did the same lion as today against the bears because the Packers and bears are the same team.

Well, are they, though? The Packers are four and six. The bears have three wins. I thought that warranted a half a point. So I.

Wouldn't say- If the Packers played the bears on a neutral field from what you saw today, who would you bet on?

Well, they already crushed them, right?

I'm saying right now with the help of the bears. Yeah, I guess.

All right. Now don't inject logic.

Into this. I like the bears slightly more. Anyway. All right.

But it's nice, though. We got Kough, it's no Joey Harrington, no David Blough. I mean, the staff of yours were fine, but there were.

Some- No, there was always Yeah, there was always one shaky quarterback. I think the Packers, if you take the points in this game, there's cheap touchdown potential with them, and there's also around potential. There's also the potential of Jordan Love just completely shit in the bed because he roped everyone in to think he is competent this week against the Chargers. So every week, whoever the quarterback is against them looks awesome.

Right. I thought we saw the best version of them.

Against the Chargers. I do think they can throw in them, though. Next one, your boys, Cowboys. Are you just permanently in the spot now? The second spot? This is the Dallas spot? Yeah.

Where have.

You been? I'm saying how long has that been the case?

Oh, forever.

What do.

You mean?

This is... This is it for the rest of our lives until we die.

It's going to be Lions.

Cowboys, and these two spots.

Yeah, it's great. I have a whole rant about this on my show this week.

It's never going to change.

No, we don't need it to change. Thanksgiving is about sameness. You have the same meal every week. You watch the same teams. We send the crap teams like Atlanta and Indianapolis to London because we won that war. And we get to see the Cowboys and Lions. We get whatever we want.

Well, you get to see Washington this week. You get to see... What's our new nickname for Riverboat? Rowboat Run?

Rowboat Run? Yeah, I guess so. Yeah.

Freto's canoe run?

He doesn't even deserve that.

Lake Tide's canoe run?

Am I right to be nervous about this game? I hate it.

How else? A little scary? Yeah. You just feel like you're doing everything right, and then he somehow creates some play to nothing. But it feels like their coaching is just abysmal. How do you lose this game? You're going to lose this game?

Our coaching is not great either. But yeah, we should be able to put enough pressure on how we'll make them run around to win.

How mad is Rahim going to be when I do a three-team 10-point tease and tease the lions through the zero to the other side? It's all-time pet peeve in gambling.

He hates it a little bit more. I don't think it's that bad. I know.

I called in your show today. I had a 14, 13 point T's where I took Miami through the zero. They were like plus two. What was the other line that was like 14? Well, Detroit was the funny one. Yeah, I took Dallas through the zero. I had Miami. I had Detroit at plus five. And then I had Steeler's Browns over 20, and it hit. The 13 point T's is great. I mean, it's the dumbest bet ever, but oh, man. This is.

So irresponsible.

I'm 2 and 0 on 13 point T's.

This year. So irresponsible. Yeah, Rahim gets mad. He's like, Oh, man. Oh, man. You're not teasing through any key numbers. We got so upset. But yeah, they have.

Been hidden. He's got his focal points where it's just like, you're not allowed to do this. It's like crossing the beams and Ghostbusters or something. I like it. So I have for this one, I have a cowboys by 10 and a half, and I'm probably too low against Weston. Son of a bitch.

It is 10 and a half. What do you mean? No, it's 10 and a half. I said nine and a half. You get it. Oh, my God. This is not a good start for me.

Two for two. Exactly. I thought I was too low on that one.

I was off on this one, so you're going to sweep Thanksgiving at least.

Forty-nine is at Seattle.

All NFC teams on Thanksgiving? That's usually not the case.

Yeah, that's weird. So CBS has one of these games. You get that Romo for the Cowboys game then?

No, I think Fox is the Washington, Dallas game. Nba, San Francisco.

So Romeo.

Is Lions, Packers? I believe so. I'm not positive. Yeah, we'll look.

Well, now I really want to get this 49 or Seahawks game rate.

You just have to get it within two and a half to beat me.

I'm going to say four to nine is by three.

Oh, good. I get this. Wow. I said three and a half. Six and a half, Simmons.

Wow.

They are writing the Seahawks off. They don't even know if Gino Smith is playing or not. I mean, I assume he will.

They should put in the injury report instead of elbow, like Gino Smith, Prince's elbow. It should be Gino Smith, Parency's almost murdered by Aaron Donald because it was almost an actual murder on the NFL field. I think they would have to have a trial if Gino Smith died from that hit.

Yeah, just traumatic feelings out.

There was no harder hit this year in the NFL than that hit on Gino Smith, 49 or six and a half. So basically, they want us to do a three-team seven-point tease where you bring the cowboys down to three and a half.

We're going to do it.

And then that comes down to Sam Howell scrambling around, down 11, gets the touchdown. Now they're going for two to get to three. And now you have to sweat out the two-point conversion for your three teams. That's how my Thanksgiving is going to be?

That's it. Well, just do an adjusted line thing. So you can get to Alice minus two and a half. And then the Fandle has a million adjusted lines.

So do the three. But the thing is, how many times have we seen a team win by one or two this year? It feels like more than usual.

It just came off on.

Our guy, John Ewing, who listens to this podcast and sometimes he'll have some clarification, gambling his some gambling data bank. I'd love to know if there were more minus one and minus two wins this year than in other years because it might be the same. But today we had two of them. We had two one-point wins where the team you picked the team and you didn't cover, but you had the right pick, which also happened last week a couple of times, too, I think. I think it's happened four times in the last two weeks. Yeah.

Well, it happened to Atlanta twice early in the year, and Green Bay was involved in a couple of those. Well, I have something to say about what... But I can't give away the week if I say it, but it's an astounding number.

All right, Black Friday. Wow, look at us. Finally got ourselves a Black Friday game. Dolphins at the jets. I think this line has to be higher than seven because that's how bad the jets are. I'm going to say dolphins by seven and a half.

At the jets. You picked three out of the first four. Exactly, right? Are you kidding me? I had six and a half. It is seven and a half. Hey, why not one of your four teamers? Why not one of your four teamers now? The Alpha's not going to blow that.

So can we combine Thanksgiving and Friday with a little four team seven pointer? What are the ads on that? That's plus 200, right?

I think it's right around there, right?

Your fucking team is going to blow it.

All four. The same how to point. And it's going to happen and 10 million people are going to tweet at us. Oh, there was the same hell at two point. He's going to run around for five seconds like Paul Kru at the end of the longest yard trying to get it.

We will reimburse anyone who loses on this. Go ahead, Simmons. Tell them. That's what we'll do. We've never done.

This before. We'll reimburse your bets. We just have to clear it with them. Black Friday, Dolphins, Jets.

Four team, or let's do it. We don't have to collect on Thursday. We wait a few more hours.

Tyreke's first touchdown today. It was unbelievable. The slant with three different defenders in front of him, and then he put the jets on and just zoomed through them at a 45 degree angle. Holy shit.

I think we're going to get to a point where the defenders are like a left fielder who knows... Or a right fielder who knows that Barry Bons just hit it 480 feet. They don't even move from their stance.

They just do the stop.

Yeah, they just stopped. They don't even go back to the warning track or anything. I think that's what safety is going to start doing. That'd be hilarious. I don't want to be embarrassed.

Sunday, Marquee. I picked Texan's Jags for this. Even though there's probably more famous matchups, the AFC South, if the Texans win this, officially becomes a thing because they've already beaten the Jags. They're till? Thirty-seven, 17? Then the Jags would have to beat them by one to win the AFC South. I got to say, this is our first playoff game. It's not a playoff game, but it's the first playoff game, and we're far enough down the season now. We have six weeks left.

You had this over Buffalo, Philly, huh?

Yeah.

Wow. All right.

Because I think it's a more important game. I don't think... Yeah, maybe you're right.

Should I put Buffalo, Philly there? It could be 1A and 1B. I'm not going to- All.

Right, I'll move Buffalo, Philly up to it. We'll do two market games.

It doesn't really matter. Nothing ever-.

You know what? It matters to me. It's what we do, Sal. It's why we stay up late at night on the East Coast. Texan's Jags in Houston, put it right in the TikTok zone, breaking out a whole thing of TikToks. I'm going to say Texans by one and a half.

Oh, you had the TikTok theory correct, but the wrong side. It's Jacksonville minus one and a half. I had Jacksonville by two.

I.

Didn't think they were going to give them the respect just yet.

That line is a mistake.

Now you want to tease that to seven and a half.

No, I think that's a straight up. There could be an adjusted liner there with the Texans, bring them up to three and a half or four and a half, something like that. Put them with something else. No, the Texans plus four and a half or a close game that you're just- Oh, I can get more points than the one and a half.

But I think- They beat up on Arizona. Do we even talk about Arizona? But they-.

We had skipped over that. I wish we had.

It was a weird one because the line was four and a half, five and a half, six if you got it early enough in the week. People got screwed on the four and a half and one on the five and a half if you had Arizona. But they really got lucky, Arizona. I mean, Stroud was bad in the red zone, right? Murray is exciting and all that stuff. And they stayed with the game and they had the lead early on. But that was weird little meltdown for Stroud.

It was weird because I felt like both teams got super lucky because it seemed like Houston was lucky that Arizona kept shooting themselves in the foot when they felt like... It just felt like Arizona should have been winning after three quarters, but they weren't. And every time it felt like Arizona was going to come take the lead, they didn't. And then if Houston had it and then Stroud threw a dumb pick. And Stroud probably killed his MVP campaign. That wasn't even really a campaign. But he had a couple of dicey throws in that game. But yeah, I think that Cardinals team, that's another one. That team is not a rollover team. The rollover teams right now, I think Tennessee is in there. I'm not positive they care about winning another football game this year. Carolina can't help themselves. Yeah.

They're just overmatched every department, really. You're the man of the third team, jets? I think.

The jets have to be monitored here because if they lose this game, they stayed with Zach Wilson so long, it almost started to get suspicious. This was done two weeks ago. Two weeks ago, we were saying they can't play him again. We put him two.

More weeks. What did Salasie... What did you see out of him today that he hadn't seen in the last three weeks?

Two weeks ago, he took the fifth. Remember they asked him? He said, I just don't want to talk about this anymore. I have no comment. I don't know why Frankie Five-Fingers was in town. What did he do when he took the fifth? Frankie Five-Fingers? What did he say? What did you say when he say? When he was like, I forget. Oh, Michael Corleone. Did I say that? That was Sallow talking about Zach Wilson. Other Sunday, Marquee, Eagle's Bills in Philadelphia. And I'm going to give this a strong Eagles minus 6.

Oh, wow. All right. I get this. It's three and a half. And that's what I said. Now, that's stupid.

That's dumb.

Now I see why you didn't want to make this your Marquette Marquee or whatever.

That's a dumb line. That's so much respect to Buffalo. What is Buffalo shown? What's good about Buffalo at this point? If you're saying they're going to go in to Philly and they're only getting less than four points, then you're like a legitimate playoff contender. I don't even think Buffalo is going to make the playoffs. We believe in their defense now because they held the jets to six points. Who can hold the jets to six points?

That's a. Well, the Eagless lost in the jets. I think everything's a must-win for the Bulls now, so they're going to get an extra point deducted or in their favor.

I might bet that tonight. That's a stupid line. I think the Eagles are the best team in the League.

Yeah, they probably are.

I.

Don't know. I thought that was fair.

There's so much more bigger and powerful than the bills are. Everybody on their offensive line is bigger than every single bill. They're just going to do the same thing Cincinnati did against them. They're just going to beat.

The hell out of them. Short week. Who knows what happens against Kansas City? I'm taking this. You're betting that there's going to be no injuries.

I guess. I promise you I'll have money in that game. Yeah, unless something weird happens in the case again. The Watchables. Actually, let's take a break and then we'll do The Watchables. All right, The Watchables. We have cards home for The Rams. It's not a lose or leave town match because the Cardinos already left town and left none of their belongings in the house. I have The Rams favored by one and a half against Cardinals in Arizona.

You got that exactly too. I had two and a half. It's one and a half. All right, you're up four to three.

So right now, and we're not even halfway through the slate, we have The Seahawks as a home dog on Thanksgiving, the Jets as a home dog on Black Friday, Texans' home dog against the Jags, and the Cards' home dog against the Rams. Our next game is Browns at Denver. And I think the Broncos are going to be a home dog, which will be home dog number five. Well, I was going to say Browns by one and a half in Denver.

All right. It's Denver minus one and a half. Wait, you said Browns one and a half? You're still going to get it. I said Browns by two, and it's Denver minus one and a half. So you get it. You're closer. That's craziness. I don't know if Fando will watch that game tonight.

I can see the whole DTR in Denver. Denver's won four in a row. I can see it. I just personally think the Brown should be favorite.

What was the stat that Rahim sent us? I think it was a Todd Ferman tweet that... What was it? Their plus 10 and turnover differential of the last three games, Denver.

Oh, my God.

That doesn't continue. There's no way that it continue. Not against the Browns.

I honestly do not know how they will complete any pass for more than four yards other than just Wilson doing the thing that he's now where he just throws it up for grabs to Sutton. Sutton jumps up and get it. With the straight weeks of that exact touchdown, he just heaves it toward Sutton and hopes something happens.

He has mastered the screen, like the bubble screen over the middle. He just lobbed it just over the.

Front line there.

I don't know how he gets it done. This over on there should be, it's 36 and a half. I feel like that's high by four points.

You were all over on Wise Guys today. You were all over that which kept dropping. Where did it start and where did it end? It ended at 32 and a half, right?

Yeah, I think it was 32 and a half. I saw it somewhere it was 34. But yeah, how the hell is that not going to be 10-7 in the fourth quarter?

Chiefs Raiders in Vegas. This will be home dog number five. I'm going to say Chiefs by 10 and a half in Vegas. Who gets this?

We split it. I said seven and a half. It's nine, right?

We split it? Yeah, we split that. That'll keep going up.

Yeah. I don't know. Short week. Could the Raiders really pull this off now?

I do like Antonio pierce, and I do wonder when in doubt, just hire a former defensive football player who just seems like a man's man who's fired up on the sidelines and just seems like he has everyone's respect. Might be the way to go.

You don't think Joshua Daniels was any of those?

Bring Ray Lewis at retirement. Let's get him in. Where's Bill Robinovsky? Let's get my head.

Coach.

Job. Just some tense linebacker. Let's do it. Just throw him out there. Fairly watchables. Colt's Bucks. The Colts just lingering in the AFC picture to the chagrin of everybody.

Can't they get another buy? Do they have to play this week?

This is in Indianapolis, and I'm going to get this one right. This has Colts minus two and a half written all over it.

No, that's not what's written. One and a half is written all over it.

Oh, TikTok Zone. Yep. Wow.

We're going to add them up. There's a lot. There are a lot.

Colts, one and a half. Okay. Next one is Falcons minus two over the Saints. I just gave away my answer in reading it. It's in Atlanta. I have Falcons minus two over the Saints.

I had a pick on minutes. One and a half, New Orleans favorite. New Orleans is favorite.

Oh, my God. Another home dog.

I could maybe steal them. All right, 6-6. Jesus. That's a big game for division purposes, right?

I should have put that in the Watchables. I might.

Move that up.

Yeah, that's a decent- Even though I'm the only one who sees the list. So that's, James in Atlanta, potentially, or are we getting a checked-down car again?

I haven't heard their car is ready.

He's ready to check out. Steeler's Bangles is the other one. This could have been a Marquey game. Yeah, I know. Joe Borough got stolen from us.

Lucky, Stealers have them twice, still.

I actually did have the minus one and a half for the Stealers for this one in Cincinnati.

The Steeler's minus one and a half? Yeah. I had a since minus one. It's a sincey minus one and a half.

Oh, come on.

Yeah. The Stealers don't get respect until they botch everything at the end.

So this is stupid because I'm going to be right. And by the time that game actually is played, it's going to be Stealers by one and a half. There's no way that Bangles are going to be favored over the Stealers when we actually get to the game. It's not happening.

I think?

No.

All right.

What's his name? Browning?

Yeah, Jake Browning.

Jake Brown?

What's his name? Kenny Pickett?

It's fine. I like the Stewards defense a hell of a lot more than the Bengals defense.

Yeah, they better not blow this. Come on, Cincinnati. Hold on.

Poop Fecta, Titans, Panthers. I think these two teams have packed it in.

Yeah, maybe.

I'm going to say Titans. It's in Tennessee. Titans by three and a half.

You get this one. I said five. It's four. All right. Four, five, six, seven. Two, three, four, five, six, seven. Let's do it. Seven, seven.

Can I make a Pueto our friends at YouTube? Tv?

Yeah.

Keep this on the- I love Multiview as you know. Yeah, I think this is a band from Multiview game. The Giant's Pets is fun. I might actually see people watching some of that. Yeah, it's like a train wreck. Yeah, it's like a train wreck. Yeah. Titans, Panthers is just there's nothing fun. It shouldn't be in red zone. We should just pretend it's not happening. Pretend there's like a power outage. I like that. Nobody needs to see one minute of this.

The Titan's, that's another box score I looked at. I'm like, all right, Levis, 13 for 17. That's not terrible. And Henry, 10 carries. So what happened to all their plays? This team doesn't get any offensive plays?

Well, that game was, wasn't it 28-nothing?

I guess it.

Was 28-nothing. Yeah, they just started garbage timing it. They ran a trick play to make it 35-14. The guy in Red Zone was fired up about it. Right. It's cool. Instead of losing 35-7, we lose 35-14. I took giant's pets out of the poop vector and put them into the Spilled Port-of-John category, which is the second time we've used that this year. Oh, no. It's worse than in poop Fecta. That's a tipped over Port-au-John. Stuff's coming out. There's chemicals, there's feces and PE, and it's disgusting.

It's Mac and Tommy. You don't like this?

This has a chance to be one of the worst football games ever played. You don't think? Wow! These are the two teams that have the least amount of points per game. I think each of them, the Pats have the least points in the League and the giants have the least points per game. Right. And now they're playing.

Yeah, it's the lowest over on there, 34.

I have a Pats favorite by one and a half.

You're going to get this. I said, Pick them. And it's Pats by three and a half.

Oh, my God. What the hell?

Three and a half. Now, it's not like you're going to take the giants because you like the hook there. That's another.

Home dog for us.

I think you're going to beat me here, and then that's all that's going to matter. We got the night games is all that's left. Shit.

This is the biggest Patriots game in four years.

Really?

They need to lose this game. They really have a chance now to get a franchise quarterback. They can't fuck this up. I hope they see it. I hope they understand. And we were talking about it this week. It's so much harder to tank in football because you have all these dudes are playing for next year's contract. They're trying to get good tape of themselves. It's not like basketball where you can just sit damn lowered and say he's got some-.

But you can see it that way.

I do like that. But I do think this is a game where you're like, You know what? We want to give Mac Jones one more chance. Because Mac Jones is done. He's broken. He's broken emotionally. The team has given up on him. This is a game where you play him to help you lose to the giants. You have to play him. And then after this, don't play him anymore.

So you're saying the giants can screw you again like they did in the Super Bowl twice by- This is the third Super Bowl. -by losing... By losing this game, they could.

Screw you. This is the third Super Bowl, in my opinion.

But you're not rooting against it.

I watched some Drake May this weekend.

Yeah, he's fine. He's good.

He's good. I think that.

Caleb.

Worton is a bit higher.

You got a 30 % chance of getting it right. That's why no one should get too excited about getting the first or second or fourth pick.

Well, I want to be in the top three because you don't want to fall below three because then you could get Harrison at three. I guess they could take the top left tackle. There's some tight end that's in the top five, which is weird.

Oh, there you go.

Now they need to lose this game. Sunday night. I love it.

I love it all.

Davido, Jones, what a matchup. That was.

My favorite thing from your... Was that on your page two?

Yeah, the Jacko and I used to have that joke in college when it was like the worst possible matchups. We always loved that. I think it started because there was one playoff series and it was like the Jazz Against Portland. And it was like, Porter, Stockton. And we thought it was the funniest thing ever.

You did it with baseball. I think the first time I know it was like, It's Fox baseball. We got awas. It was.

Like Arizona against Cleveland. Yes, I read that. Sunday Night, Ravens Chargers. This is in LA.

You get this. You wrap it up here.

I have Ravens by three, and I'm probably too high. You got it.

I don't know why I said two. It's four. What is it? You win a week, it's four. This could be a dumb game for the Ravens. They're clearly better than the Chargers. They should be able to run on them. I'm just going through it in my head. How do they lose this? It's dumb turnover. I don't know. Staley wins this. Staley is fired. They do it for the new coach. I don't know how they could win this.

The Staley era has had a lot of fourth quarter games that came down to some moment with three minutes left. And I would say they've been involved in more of those than anyone else in the league.

I think so. I think they blew three already. Yeah, I think they blew three out of the.

10- Herbert has had the ball a lot at the end of games, and it does not always go well. Monday night, Vikings home for the bears. That's a tough game.

This was 19, 13, the Vikings won that.

I had Vikings by three and a half, probably two of them.

Of course, you guessed it. Exactly right. I had four and a half. Three and a half is right.

Okay.

All right, so you win five, five, two after 12. Jacob is going to be so upset. Didn't I have a three-game lead or something? You won.

The first four weeks.

Was it the four? Oh, crap. I thought you were four and a half. Here's what I wanted to point out. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 6 games in the TikTok zone. Either one or one and a half.

Wow!

We don't see that. And so to your point, I think there must be more games falling on that number because the odds makers are seemingly always right.

They're going to lose that game to the bears if they don't bring Jefferson back. It's my warning to the Vikings. Yeah, what are they waiting on? I think the bears are like... Their defense is pretty good. They can run the ball. Fields is pretty comfortable in that offense. Look, there's seven versions of fields, but the one today is pretty hard to play. Yeah. And I thought they were flying around. They seem really invested in the game. I was impressed.

I would be aware. They can't hold a lead, though. I mean, that's... Josh Dobbs isn't scared of playing from behind. So it'll be interesting. All right.

We're going to take a break. And let's do some Parent Corner. Today's Parent Corner is brought to you by Simply Safe Home Security. Thanksgiving is time for lots of family visits and even more food. And with Simply Safe Home Security, you get the peace of mind you need to truly enjoy everything you're thankful for with advanced security technology and 24/7 professional monitoring, your home feels just how it should during the holidays and every day like the safest place on Earth. There's no safe like Simply Safe. All right, what do you got, Sal?

All right, I want you to invest in an app. We can come up with it, but I'd like you to... I don't know what this is going to be, but I'll explain this scenario and we can figure out what to call it or whatever. So if you have multiple kids playing multiple sports, usually do the divide and conquer thing, right? Like, All right, I'll go watch the younger boy, and then you go watch the older boy or something, whatever, right? And it's always...

Anyway.

I'm not going to say who's who in this situation, but one of you, you or your spouse, is taking a kid to a wrestling tournament an hour away, and the other is taking a different spawn to a travel baseball league tournament an hour in the other direction. And the one driving the kid to baseball realizes she or he left all the baseball equipment in the car heading to wrestling the other way an hour. And so then you realize the baseball equipment car has to leave the wrestling tournament to drop off the equipment at a meeting spot in Saturday LA traffic where the ten is on fire and you got to reroute.

Everything anyway. This is awful. Yes.

I think the first part of the app has to alert you when the equipment is for each kid. The headgears in mom's car, the wrestler shouldn't be in that car. It's got to alert you that the equipment is in the wrong car with the wrong kid, right? The other part of the app somehow has to prevent you from committing a felony when you find out you drove an hour to a meeting place to drop off the equipment, and it all ended up being in the other spouse's car anyway. There was no reason. Yes, aside from a sliding glove and a chin guard, everything was in her car, his or her car. I'm not going to say who's who. Yes.

One of the spouses had all the equipment but did not realize that all the equipment was actually in the car because they didn't look hard enough.

85 % of the equipment accusing the other spouse. How did you not put the equipment in my car, blah, blah, blah. All right. How do we get this to work? Let's drive to F in Fontana, Cal. I don't even know where the hell we were to meet up. All for naught. That's the app. Prevents a felony and keeps the equipment in each car.

It's amazing that anyone stays married.

That's another app altogether.

Like when they have those beer commercials and the stuff about they celebrate the heroes or whatever. The real heroes are anyone who could stay married for more than 20 years through events like that where they're just like, You know what? Fuck this. I'm out of here. Then that's it.

Yeah. It's too much. It's okay. It only happens like twice a week, so it's all right. You can get through it.

Yeah, but then they can flip it back on you because you didn't realize...

Of course. You could have checked.

But you also don't understand what I'm going through because...

Right, I know.

It's never my bad.

I'm apparently not good at understanding. Yeah, I get that thrown in.

My face. I don't understand either. Maybe we're just not good at understanding stuff.

We're dumb. We're dumb people.

Before I do my parent corner, can we do a friend corner? Yeah. Our friend, Daniel, who is organizing our cousin, Jimmy's birthday dinner. And to say he was over the top with the organization, I would say, would be an understatement. He's completely out of his mind. He's trying to figure out Baby Doll or our agent Baby Doll offers to pay for the bill. Right. And this delights, Daniel, to no end. And he's trying to figure out all these ways to run up the bill, even though it's a preset check because we're going to Chang's restaurant, Major Domo.

We famously do this with him. But when he's there, when Baby Doll is.

There- Yeah, this is a running thing you've done for 25 years where Baby is going to pay. So you'll sneak over and you order another bottle of wine, or you'll buy a bottle of champagne for somebody else's table. And then Baby gets it on the bill and he flips out. But Baby wasn't at the dinner.

Which.

Removes, I'm going to say, maybe not 100 % of the humor of doing this, but maybe like 99.2 or like 9 %?

A lot of it.

Yeah. Yeah. Not stopping Daniel, he decides there's going to be a sketch. We're going to film it. We're going to send it to BabyDoll, and then he's going to somehow get mad on text. And somehow this is going to be delightful to all of us. So we sit down and he's just all obsessed with doing this. And this is an hour of our dinner. Come to find out after that all of the planning that Daniel's done, which was a lot, I don't know if it was as much planning as the first episode of Jimmy came alive, but it was close.

It's a lot.

And he did invite Jimmy's friend, Kleto. It was like 11 people there. It's like, why wasn't Kleto there? And it was because Daniel had some old email and Kleto's email address wasn't on it. Kleto, who's known Jimmy since he was what? Eight years old?

His best friend growing up.

I would say it's his best friend in the world. He's his band leader that been doing TV for 23 years. Was not at the dinner. That's not that Daniel planned, but we had this sketch with the script for Baby Doll's thing. Even for Daniel, this was amazing. Just an unbelievable watershed performance by him.

You would think he wouldn't delete people inadvertently from the list. If he wants to pad the bill, he should have added 15 more.

Make sure all the possible friends were there. Right. Yeah. Really, really special stuff. You don't understand. Daniel Corner would be, we could replace Perricorn. I don't know if we can get sponsored.

Hey, buddy, cool. Let's do it.

Came back to Boston with my wife and my son to see my daughter. And then we're all going back for Thanksgiving. But it was the first time that the four of us were together as a unit in three months. Nice. And we were walking around Boston yesterday, and I was just like, You know what? This feels right. This is what it should be. You don't realize when you have a family and everybody gets older and you're all supposed to be together. Then all this, I guess, as we all get older and then people go one way or the other way. But then when they're all back together, it's like, This is what it's like. I now feel like my life is in order. I don't know how long it's going to last. That's good. Yeah, she was lying in bed with us on Friday night. We're watching a movie. She fell asleep. We always used to joke when she was a kid. We used to call her the Waterlog Corp. Because when she fell asleep, she wouldn't move. And it would just be like when there's a dead body and the killing or something. That's just Waterlog.

So she was Waterlog corp thing. I was like, This is great. It's like nothing's changed. We're all back together. The Waterlog Corp is just sitting there with her arm on me and we're back. But anyway, this is a positive, happy, pericorter. I like that. Wow. It's good to have the family all together. It got me all excited about the holidays and Thanksgiving, and I'm excited.

Hey, I wanted to ask you, what was it like when Zoe saw Ben? Because I keep one of them like, That might be a weird moment. These kids haven't seen each other in two months. Is there a weird like, Oh, I don't know this person.

That much? It was a huge hug. And then within 28 seconds, he was just Snapchating his girlfriend and ignoring all of us. Oh, okay. All right. Yeah, it was fine. We got back to normal really fast. Nice. That's it. All right, that's it for Parent Corner. Today's Parent Corner is brought to you by Simply Save Home Security because your kids are full of all kinds of surprises and holidays are no exception. Simply Save gives you the support you need for the holidays and every day. Right now, you can save up to 50 % off your new Simply Save system with FastProtect monitoring. There's no safe like Simply Save. All right, Sal, what do you got?

What do we have? Cousins' house winning weekend. I had Eli, now Danny White, my very first favorite player I got to sit down and talk to him. He won six Thanksgiving games, and six and a six and a six and a six. It's going to be tough to beat as a cow boy. So I talked to him. That's on Friday, through the wringer with Tate on Tuesday morning. Wringer-wise guys on Sunday. Always fun. With the crew and against all odds, we're going to do it Tuesday and Wednesday.

There you go. It was fun. I was listening to Wise Guys today walking around Boston on the direct TV app. It was great.

Oh, was that what it was?

Yeah, that's why I was just on my iPhone and it was like, This is great. I'm hanging out with my buddies. There you go. I'm around my favorite city. All right, Cuz, good job by you.

Good job by you, buddy.

That's it for the podcast. Thanks to Cuz and Sal. Thanks to Steve, Siruddy. Thanks to the birthday boy, Carl Creighton. I will see you in this podcast on Tuesday. Don't forget about the rewatch. Well, it's Monday night. See you on Tuesday.