Please, these gays.

They'Re trying to murder me.

Nick, a cliche. Do you know these days, please, these gays, they're trying to murder me. Please, these gays, they're trying to murder me.

And on this episode of the commercial.

Break, did she marry Garth or Chris?

I imagine she married both of them. This is probably an exciting bedroom.

Threesomes every night, every single. And his split personality.

I'm going to pop one off as Garth, and then I'm going to be back as Chris. Give me 15 to 20 minutes in one of those blue pills. I'll be back as Chris. The next episode of the commercial break starts now. Yeah, boy. Yeah, cats and kittens. Welcome back to the commercial break. I'm Brian Green. This is the director of online disasters, Tina. Tina, best to you.

Best of you, Brian, and best to.

You out there in the podcast universe. Thanks for joining us.

So happy to be here.

Are you happy to be here?

I really am. Yeah.

It's fun, isn't it? Good fun.

It is. It's great fun.

It's not a bad way to make a living. If we could figure out how to make a living.

I couldn't agree more. We're still working on.

Listen, you know, the ever changing landscape of new media keeps us on our.

Sure.

That's for sure. But let me not drown you in my own woes. Let's talk about other people's woes, because that is what makes me happy.

I love other.

Let's talk about other people's miserable lives and not our own lives. So, Steve o interview, I think, was generally well received, just to let you know.

Okay, glad to hear it. Thanks for the update.

Generally well received. What a character. What a guy.

What's not to love?

That's what I say. I was telling a friend over the weekend who was quite surprised that Steve o would even think about coming on the commercial break.

We were, too. Don't worry.

I shared the same reaction. I said, if you were surprised, imagine how surprised we were when someone said, hey, Steve o wants to come on the show, or Steve o agreed to come on the show. It's probably the best way to say to, I don't want to make it sound like Steve O was knocking down our door. He wasn't. But I said, listen, the guy goes, he's like a venezuelan guy. And he goes, hey, man, you have been telling me, the listener, me for months and months and months, you're not going to do guests. Guests didn't work. You did it one time. It didn't work. You're not going to have any more guests, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden, you got fucking Steve o on your podcast. And I said, well, I wanted to set expectations as low as possible.

That's what it's about.

So then, even if I just mumbled through the entire interview, you would be surprised that I had guests at all. He's mission accomplished, brother.

Expectation management.

Expectation management. I was listening to, like, I don't know, some pundit, political pundit or something, talking about debates, and they were saying the whole goal, pre debate, for the entire team, whoever, presidential candidate, governor, whatever it is, the whole goal is to set expectations as low as possible so that if you perform better, it's a win. It's a win.

Yeah.

If you perform badly, then you said, hey, we didn't expect much anyway. That's right. And I was like, wow, what a game of misinformation to play. But not like I expected the politicians to be honest.

Standards here.

That's right. Standards here. And the truth of the matter is, we really didn't think we were going to have guests until very recently when we realized people would actually say yes. Because I just didn't imagine anybody would want to come on the show.

There was a time. There was a time, but not anymore.

Three weeks ago now we've overcome the challenges. Chrissy will be back in studio with us sooner rather than later. I'm super happy. So happy to hear that. And everyone's excited that she'll come back. So all the well wishes have been sent along and we'll talk more about it when she gets back. But I just wanted you to know Chrissy's in good shape and hopefully coming back to the studio very soon. I heard. Well, what did you do over the weekend? Because I think we were talking off air and you did something very interesting.

Tell the listeners I went to a really fun live production of Empire strips back. It's a Star wars parody burlesque show. It was hilarious, sexy, and just my kind of good time.

Okay, so I saved all the in depth questioning for on air, the Star wars burlesque show. Is it loosely based on the plot or is it no plot whatsoever? Just a lot of dancing.

No plot.

No plot whatsoever.

I mean, they try to set a plot.

Yeah, but it's like a porn movie.

It's all it is. Just like a porn movie. You're just waiting for the tip from the 80s. Yes, because you see very little, but the idea is there. It's very sexy, it's very racy.

It's very sexy, but there is some nudity in it. Oh, yeah, there's a couple of.

No full nudity.

Okay.

But lots of boobs, tons of ass.

At this point in my life, I'm happy to.

Crazy dancing, great music. The music was great. It was fun.

Good looking characters.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Well trained. Well, the performances were definitely top notch.

How big was theater?

I would say maybe 5000.

5000 people. That's fucking a lot of people. It was big to see a burlesque show. It was big, yeah.

Okay. I thought it would be like a.

More intimate, especially in Atlanta setting. Yeah, Atlanta's got a bunch. We're all weird.

Yeah. We're brutus here and we've got great venues.

We figure Darth Vader with his dick.

Hanging out is probably Palantine. Emperor Palantine, not Vader, but the other one. Vader was a woman in this show.

Oh, she was, yeah. Oh, I'm all about that.

Yeah.

It was worth the wait.

It was definitely worth the wait.

Was it like a lot of sexy girls in Stormtrooper helmets?

Yep.

Yeah.

And breastplates and that's it.

Oh, my God.

It was great.

Yeah. I might have to go check this out.

I highly recommend it.

It's playing here in Atlanta and I've seen the commercials for it.

Yes.

And at first I thought it was a joke.

I was like, it's kind of a joke.

I thought they were selling something.

Chewbacca break dances. It's fantastic. Yeah.

I mean, clearly it's a pun, right?

It's a parody. It's a parody and it's well written. It's pretty hilarious.

Wow.

I don't laugh all too easy at just about anything. But I laughed almost the whole time.

The last time that I allowed sex boobs, nudity to get me into a theater was for the naked Cirque du Soleil in Las Vegas.

That would be worth it.

It was a little underwhelming to me, if I'm being honest.

Okay.

I wasn't as impressed as I have been with fully clothed Cirque du Soleils. It's not to say that they weren't talented people. They were very talented doing their thing, but they kind of ran over the same old ground a number of times. How much can you really do naked? You know what I'm saying?

It's got to be tricky.

It's got to be way tricky. However, we did go see this last Cirque du Soleil. This one that's currently here in Atlanta. Atlanta is one of those places for those of you that don't live here, which is probably every one of us, to the show, because anyone who knows us doesn't give any shits. Atlanta is one of those places that Cirque du Soleil calls a second home.

Yeah, it's a permanent.

Yeah. Three and a half months of the year, they have a show here and they've set up this huge tent and it just kind of stays there for three and a half months. Downtown they have a new one. Echoes, I think, is what it's called. They have a moment in the show, and it's way different than any other one I've seen. It's almost bordering on sideshow, like sideshow Circus. They had what I assume to be a father and a son duo. And the father comes out, he lays on his back, he kicks his legs up, and the son goes and sits on his legs, and then he bounces them around for a few minutes, and then he pushes him up in the air, and the kid does a half flip. And you're like, wow, that's really cool. The kid who I'm calling a kid, it's probably a teenager, is not a small human being, and the father is not a particularly big human being. So I'm thinking, wow, half a flip. Really cool. He's very good. Very nice. But then, Tina, what happened over the course of the next three minutes was I couldn't even comprehend what was going on because he started to flip his son.

Full flips, full frontal flips, one after the other. He was kicking his. Imagine the kid was laying. The guy had his, you know, he was laying down, had his feet up in the air, like you would if you were playing airplane with your kid, like rolling along. Yeah, but the kid was on his back, so the feet were under, like, right where the butt meets the back.

Yes.

He kept kicking him in the air and the kid would flip backwards and then land in the same place. He was doing this at a speed where it was hard for your eyes to adjust just how fast this kid was going. And this went on for 30 fucking full seconds. The guy just kept flipping him and flipping him and flipping him and flipping.

Him, and he landed every so disoriented, it seems.

Is this happening to you that the older you get, like, you do a little spin and then all of a sudden it takes you 15 to 20 minutes to get your balance back? Is this happening to you?

Yeah.

I remember when I was a kid, I could go on that thing on the playground and they could spin me around for days and I'd get off and walk straight.

I don't know.

Not anymore.

Not anymore.

The older that I get, the more disoriented I get.

Just by looking at it?

Yes, just by looking at it. Then my daughter wants to dance and have me spin her around. I take her on one twirl, and I'm serious. I got to sit down for 15 minutes to recover. I'm like, holy shit, what happened to my eyes? What happened to my great balance? It's all over the place. I can't imagine what it would be like to have your father flipping you like that over and over and over and over again so fast again. It was hard for my eyes to adjust to what was going on. It was amazing. Then they had girls that were doing the area with their hair. You saw it? I saw it. Okay, I've seen it. Have you seen this Cirque du Soleil? Did you go?

It is the one I've seen.

Oh, you did? Okay. Did you see the one where they put the teeth?

Yes.

Let me explain to the listener. Two girls doing aerial acrobatics, but they are attached to the rope by their hair. By their fucking hair and nothing else. I don't have hair. And it hurt me. The audience was aghast. They were aghast. Then at one point, they take a metal chain, a very small metal chain. I'm saying probably a foot. And on each side of the metal chain is a bite. Yeah. So something you would put in your mouth, like a nighttime retainer, but obviously much more strong. So she puts this in her mouth, and the other girl puts it in her mouth, and they get lifted up in the air. They're both hanging on by their mouth, basically. I mean, one girl's got her knees in the aerial thing, and then the other girl is just hanging there by her mouth. So we're watching the performance, and I start to notice that the girl who's hanging by her mouth, not by her knees, but by her mouth, is like making some hand gesture to the girl up or someone, and quickly they get lowered down. And when they get lowered down, they go to bow to the audience, because now the audience is like, oh, my God, that was amazing.

Right? So they're all clapping. They go to bow to the audience. And we are very close to the stage. You can see the girl who was hanging go, holy shit. Oh, my God. She mouths those words like I think to herself, but it was clear what she was saying. Everybody who was with us was like, did you just see that? Did you see what she said? I think she basically lost it. She was about to lose her fall to the ground.

Scared.

So this Cirque du Soleil felt much different than some of the other ones in the sense that it kind of got sideshow circusy. There was a guy who was double jointed in a way that made me sick to my stomach and the entire audience sick to their stomach. I could have done without it, to be honest with you.

Yeah, some of that contortion is hard.

To look at, but Cirque du Soleil is so fucking amazing. Right? Every time, so fucking amazing. But even they only have 2000 people in that tent, so 5000 people.

Maybe I'misreading the.

But let's assume it's more than 1000.

It was more than I thought it was going to be. I thought it was going to be like dad's garage.

Yeah. Like 15 people in there. It's not sitting at a table laughing at improv comedy.

It's more like the Atlantic station tents. Yeah.

Wow. Great.

Yeah.

Well, that was good fun.

It was good fun. That sounded like a walk into it, too.

Yeah.

It's just a nice little surprise.

I go to the chick fil a this weekend. Like with my.

Yep.

I take them to the one with the playground.

Not as fun as strippers.

No, not as fun as tits.

Sorry.

Nothing I do is ever going to be as fun as something that you.

Do now over the last 20 years. Not the case.

That's true. Because you had kids long before I did. You had kids?

My kids could be the parents of your kids.

How old were you when you had your child?

First child, 19 and 23.

Yeah, but you got it over with early.

I'm done.

Yeah, you're done. I'm just beginning with some of my children. I don't even know how many kids I have, let alone what ages they are.

Yeah.

So I take them to this chickfila and we're sitting there and we're eating and there's a window to the parking lot. Somebody pulls up into the handicapped space. It's obviously an old man. He gets out and he is dressed in full Santa Robe. You know what I'm talking about? Like costumey robe. He's got that long Santa hat on. He looks nothing like Santa Claus. The guy is probably 70 pounds, sopping wet.

I love it.

And he is just.

It's scaring children.

He really was.

What's wrong with Santa?

Well, here's what's wrong with Santa. Santa wasn't wearing a shirt under his robe and his robe was like attached by the belt. So as Santa did more moving around. The guy was like 90 years old. As Santa did more moving around things, his old man tits started hanging out.

Nobody wants.

And one of my is like, daddy, why didn't Santa put on a shirt? And I'm like, well, even Santa warm out. Why didn't Santa put on a shirt? Then the next question was, how did Santa gets go so skinny? I said, Ozempic, son. Ozempic.

No cookies till Christmas.

No cookies till Christmas. He literally did come in the place and scare all the places packed. And he was trying to say hi to all the kids, and they were just like, the fuck are you?

Covid Christmas Santa? That's not regular.

I got a corn cob for a nose. Come on down to Covid Christmas castle.

He just needed some chicken nuggets.

Our Santa eats worse than your children. Look at that. He's having two hot dogs and a shitterita from Chili's. A free shitterita with every picture with our Covid Christmas castle. Oh, man. That episode still to this day, makes me fucking piss my pants. So one of the few times I've actually thought I've been funny on this joke. But he was walking around and he really was scaring the children. I can imagine it was quite the Dubai. Probably would have scared me too, for sure. And then we watched. What else did we do this weekend? We watched the Georgia Bulldogs lose. You know, I told you I'm trying to be a football guy so that my press, my brothers.

No, I know. I keep trying. Can't. I can do basketball. I love baseball.

Baseball's awesome.

Football for me, especially college, just never been a thing. So I didn't watch until the very end. Which was the best part.

Which was the best part. We got to watch the dogs when it was over. Here's the reality. I only started watching college football so I could actually have a conversation with my brothers because it's all they seem to talk about during college football season. And I wanted to be part of the gang, kind of. It's kind of little puppy doggish endearing. Yeah. But I want to be interested in what they're interested in so we can all have a conversation. So I thought if I can just catch a couple minutes of a Saturday game, I don't have to watch all. Yeah, that's some anecdotes. I'll be able to. I can remember what the color commentator says and then repeat it in conversation. Like, man, Georgia's offensive line really left a lot of holes, didn't they?

Yeah. You should watch football. Like I do. It's a game. I play gay porn. Or sports.

Say gay porn.

Probably nine times out of ten, this stuff. I repeat, people are like, no, that's gay porn. I heard that on the game. He's going deep.

Yeah, I know. So I was watching that game, and I made the deadly mistake, and I should remember this about any sporting activity that my brothers like to watch. I made the deadly mistake of texting one of them. Oh, man. It sucks that Georgia lost and they responded watching on.

Oh, no, that's their bad, though. You can't watch a championship game on DVR. That's their bad.

You can, but then don't expect that everybody else is doing the same thing.

It's already been spoiled.

If you really don't want a sports spoiler on your telephone, turn it off. That's what you do. Got to put in an airplane mode because how is everybody else is supposed to know where you're at in the game?

ESPN notified him before you did. I promise.

Oh, I promise. This particular brother had ESPN dinging all over the place. He gets those, you know, the third ranked lacrosse player in some rinkety college in got, you know, traded to another team. He gets that ESPN, those kind of notifications.

Got a ball.

And I was, you can't. Don't blame me. And he's like, no, seriously, don't say anything else. And I'm like, come on, man. Really?

You already know.

Yeah. Now you know. What do you want me to do? Put the cat back in the bag?

I can't do that. Toothpaste doesn't go back in the toothpaste.

It doesn't. But here's also the side effect of watching at least a few minutes of most of the games this season because I don't have a lot of time on my hands. So if I watch ten minutes of it, I'm good. But I happen to watch a good chunk of the championship game. But here is the challenge for me. I get so into things. It's like when I have cereal and cream, I do it for months on.

It's like a whole binge.

It's a whole binge run right now. I'm invested in it. I have no idea what's going on, but I'm just invested in the outcome. And so I'm literally feeling disappointment. I go to take a shower after the game, and I'm feeling bummed out. And I have to just tell myself, Brian, you don't really give a shit about.

This is not what you.

Why are you pretending like you do. Why are there actual emotions coming out of you? You don't care. What do you care? What? I care if the Georgia Bulldogs go to the national championship or not.

So many people are so heartbroken. And I feel bad because I can't even, like, I just don't understand sports fandom. I enjoy watching sports, but I'm not losing sleep over any of it.

I do understand forge spandem. I want to start a new website, fortspandum.com.

That's my kind of sports.

Spoil your game every time. Georgia Bulldogs lost. They don't even start till 330. Well, they lost.

You're welcome.

You're welcome. Georgia Bulldogs don't even.

It's spring.

Spandem sports. Spandem. All your favorite sports, completely uneducated. We give the most uneducated color commentary in all of sports.

Yeah. You know, I have that t shirt that's got a man hitting a home run on it, says touchdown underneath it.

Oh, it does?

What I wear to every single. What's the one at the top of the year? Super bowl.

There you go.

That's how much I love football.

Yeah. I do get into baseball, though. Baseball is the one thing that I can get into. Baseball and march madness.

Yes. Me, too. College basketball.

College basketball.

So much fun.

Those kids are playing the, I mean, the college football kids are playing the hearts out, too. I get into college more than I get into NFL because I just think the NFL. I don't know. In my opinion, the stakes aren't as high, it's not as interesting, and I know a lot of people would argue with me about that, but I don't care. Argue with me. You're on the other side of a radio, of a speaker. What do I just. I think the kids who are doing college football, they really have their hearts into it.

You hope they do.

At least you hope they do. And there's so many more x factors in a college football game than there is in an NFL football game. I don't know. It's like when you're making $35 million a year to throw the football, to.

Go to the gym.

Yeah. That's your job. Okay. Go do a good job of it when you're not getting paid. 35 million.

Sure.

But, of course, now the college kids, I think, can take endorsements, too. Yeah, I think they can, because I see those college kids on the subway commercials.

They've been taking stuff for years, though, haven't they? They've been all kind of the argument cars.

I agree with it, too, 100%. Why does the University of Georgia take in $100 million a year in television and endorsement revenue, and they can use the likeness of anybody that plays on the team in perpetuity and get paid nothing. How is that fair to anybody? And if it's always going on behind the scenes, then why not? It's like, you shine. Bring it out. Yeah. If you shine a light in the corner, nothing's dark anymore. Like, okay, all right. The kid got a car because he did the subway endorsement.

Yeah. We're not mad about it.

No, I'm not mad about it. What do I care, right? Listen, you want to do a subway endorsement, the worst sandwich shop that's ever existed, that literally sells rubber to children. Fine, do it. You want to be a subway guy, be a subway guy. Cool with me.

If you risk life and limb for the love of your game, go ahead. Yeah.

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Don't eat it.

Oh, man. We had to stop by a subway. We were on our way to my father's house. And you have to take some less, travel some places.

That's all there is.

So the kids are screaming and yelling, I'm hungry, I'm hungry. They're not really hungry. They just wanted.

They're bored.

They're bored. But they're screaming and yelling so much that Astrid and I are like, okay, we'll just pull over to the next place we see. Well, the next place that we see is, like, 15 miles down the road, and it's a gas station with a subway in it. The best kind. But I got to be rat way. I got to be honest. It was thanksgiving week. It was the day before thanksgiving. Wednesday before thanksgiving. These people in this subway, they didn't have three teeth between all of them. They could not have been fucking nicer.

Yeah.

They were so sweet. They were so lovely. I haven't had fast food service like that since. I can't remember when. Honestly. They were just lovely. However that happens, the food is just terrible.

Barely food.

It's terrible, Tina.

I know. There's so many better options now anyway that they just gave up. Subway's like, forget it.

Yeah, go to Firehouse. I mean, it's probably not Mike's jersey. Mike's. I like Firehouse. Jimmy John's. Yeah. Although that guy is an interesting character. Jimmy John. He no longer owns Jimmy John's, but he's an interesting character. Have you ever seen an interview with Jimmy John? I haven't I don't like the fact that he kills baby. Not. That's not my.

That's terrible. That upsets me.

It does upset me, too. And I wish he would stop for the sake of the earth and everybody else. Like, it's just not necessary to kill a baby elephant.

Have you not seen the revenge elephants?

Yeah, I know. Or the revenge whales?

Or the revenge that elephant stormed the town and ruined that lady's funeral.

I know.

So don't kill the elephants. They're coming for.

You are the only other. Well, there's a lot of other known creatures that grieve, but they're the only ones that have, like, funerals for the dead. That's crazy. They do like, ceremony and stuff and.

The way they hand down information, too. Those elephants will hate that man for generations to come.

They will hate that man for generations.

Take heed, Jimmy. John.

However, he does have an interesting story.

Okay, spill it.

No, I don't want to spill it. I'm not interested in giving him any more time than he needed. I'm just sharing with you that if you ever get a chance to listen to story, it's interesting. Everyone comes from somewhere and so whatever. Okay, let's take our first break. I have a story for you that I don't think you've ever heard before.

Okay.

Is about a celebrity, maybe one that not everyone's going to be familiar with, but we'll fill you in and is probably the most disturbing celebrity story I have heard in years.

That's huge.

Are you up for it?

I am.

All right, let's take our first break and we'll be back.

Okay, Brian.

Shh.

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All right, you ready for the most disturbing celebrity story? I'm bracing myself in years, if not ever.

Okay, let's do.

Let me give a little backstory here for the kids out there who probably have no idea what I'm talking about. The mamas and the papas in the were a rock and roll band, and they had some very famous people, musicians at the time that came out of the mamas and the poth.

Mama Cass.

Mama Cass. The Wilsons, who then became the Wilson sisters. You might remember from movies like Wilson Phillips, like bridesmaids. And someday I'm never going to find a turn. You hold on for one more day. Some of those are the children, daughters of members of the Mamas and the Papas. So the mamas and the Papas, this 50 60s, like early hippie bands, like, starting to take that turn. They kind of took that ride with the culture.

Oh, yeah, it was like Fleetwood Mac.

Yeah, absolutely. They had a slew of records and hits and singles and all this. Okay. John Phillips was one of the lead writers and singers in the Mamas and the Papas. John Phillips was known to be a troubled human being. He had children. He had drug addiction, all the rock and roll. Just a rock and roll story through and through. But recently, it came to light that his daughter, Mackenzie Phillips, who was not.

Part of Wilson, not China. Yep.

She was a tv actress on a show called one day at a time.

I think is what it was.

I think it was one day at a time is a show back from the early 80s, late 70s, early 80s. It was a popular show. I haven't seen it. But she was an actress in this television show. Mackenzie Phillips recently wrote a memoir called high on Life, I think is what it's called. Or too high to, high on arrival. High on arrival. Too high to live. High on arrival. It's a memoir. And in that memoir, she explains that at 19 years old, on the day of her wedding, her father had non consensual sex with her.

John Phillips.

But now, wait, this is not the crazy part, because this is a story that in and of itself is so fucked up, it's hard to imagine, right, that you would have non consensual sex with your own daughter ever. But the next part is just as equally disturbing is that for the next ten years, they had consensual sex. Over and over and over again, they had a relationship. Mackenzie Phillips and her father, John Phillips.

I don't even know what to say to that.

I say it out loud. I learned this information a week ago and I'm still having a hard time wrapping my head around it.

Why did she put this in her book? Why did she want to get this story out?

According to her, because she wanted to share the dark side of John Phillips. But she also wanted people to know that it's not as black and white as one would imagine. That John was a wonderful, sweet man that fathered her in a way that she felt was very loving. But remember this.

Use that term loose.

I know. And this non consensual sex happened when she was 19 years old for the first time. For the first time. But that she had a wonderful relationship with him otherwise. And then she was so in love with her father that she continued that relationship for ten years consensually.

Now she fell in love after he raped her.

I don't know, Tina. I don't know. I'd rather use the word non consensual sex.

I got you just for a lot.

Of different reasons, but I don't want to trigger so. But here's the other thing. Is it really consensual when it starts off non consensual?

Could it ever be?

Don't know.

And can it be when it's a position of power and authority and that's.

Your father that's your fucking father. It's your fucking.

You are trained your entire life to do what your parents say.

That's right.

So how could it ever be a consensual relationship?

I don't think so.

I don't think so either.

I don't think so. I think when you're the parent of a child, first of all, to me this is unfathomable.

Yes.

But let's assume, right, that in some world this exists. It's really hard for me to wrap my head around.

Was she raised in the home with him?

I think so, yeah. I don't know. Because it's just a blurb, by the way. It's just a blurb. I don't think she goes in great detail about it because all the articles I've read say she just shares this kind of two lines of information. Paragraph information.

That's kind of rude.

Yeah, it's kind of rude. Like, if you're going to write a memoir, just get it all out.

Yeah, let me read all about it.

So I go on the Internet and I'm like, I wonder exactly how often this happens.

I know it happens a lot.

A lot.

But most of the stories I've heard have been. We met on Tinder. I never knew my dad.

I never knew my dad. Yes, something like that.

That's still, while it's highly disturbing or.

Brother and stepsister makes a little more.

Sense, cousins, than being raised in the home. Because, listen, I was in love with my dad when I was a little girl.

Yeah.

There was no line ever. You know what I'm saying? I get that feeling of loving your parent, but that's too much.

It's beyond measure. It's just like I can't even comprehend.

Especially raised in western culture.

Okay, so this is what I do. I go and I do some research, and I'm reminded of a statistic that Chrissy and I learned when we did the cousin fucker episode. Remember the cousin fuckers? Okay, so there's a couple in Utah who has been literally yelling and screaming from the top of their lungs about their relationship as first cousins. And they're fighting the state to be able to be married and all this other stuff. It is illegal. It's illegal in some states, but not all states to marry your first blood cousin, right? So I read the following statistic, and this is going to blow you away. 33% of people pulled internationally across the earth in a long range and a long longitudinal, long term study. 33% of people said that they had had some kind of consensual relationship with a first cousin or closer? When it comes to sex, 33% say they have made out they've had some kind of physical sexual relationship with a blood relative, meaning first cousin or closer.

I can say that I know for a fact because my background is in sociology. We study a lot about children and family units and all that. It is very normal for children's first sexual experiences to be with somebody in the household. A stepsibling, a sibling, a cousin, something like that is very normal and not considered molestation or inappropriate as long as there's not a five year age gap. But are you suggesting that this is adults saying they've had a consensual relationship? Because if you're underage, I don't know that that's consensual. So I don't know how. Well, I believe.

I don't know. I didn't read the study like that. Like, it didn't give that information that I recall. Right.

No age grading.

No age. There was no age grading. I mean, I'm just like, kind of.

33% still pretty high.

That's a fucking shitload of.

And first cousin.

That's three out of every ten people that are sitting with you that have had. And I get it. Like, okay, you're with your cousins, and I don't know, it's touching weirdness, exploring whatever's going on.

Curiosity.

Curiosity. I think I told this story. We used to have this family that we called uncle. This aunt, that cousin, this totally normal. Totally normal. But they weren't cousins of ours, right. Nor were they aunts and uncles, but we didn't really recognize that at our young age.

Sure.

Right? And the girl in the family, the opposite family. And I had, like, a little ten year old crush, right? 910 year old crush. We all go on vacation one time, and I don't know how this happens, but we end up in a closet kissing.

Okay, normal, normal. It's perfectly normal.

Right? And one of the parents catches on to what's going on, and we get a tongue lashing of epic proportions. You never kiss your cousin. You can't do that. That's not allowed. You never, ever. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, three years later, I realized that they are not my cousin. They are just friends of my parents. But I remember having this sense of how wrong this was. You don't do this. It can't. Right?

Yeah.

But I have very attractive cousins. I will tell you something. I got, like, 36 cousins, and at least two of them I find to be attractive people. Would I ever be physical with them? No, I wouldn't, because I got a.

No, they were your cousin. But, yeah, you got that shaming.

I got that shaming. I got that catholic guilt going on.

Yeah. And I had cousins get in trouble for peeking in on me and my girl cousin. It's just a curiosity thing, and I don't think that counts as, like, consensual relations.

Do you know that seems unfair. Do you know that I know a woman whose parents would not even let them spend the night at a cousin's house?

I believe it.

Yeah. They were so protective of their daughter that they would not even let them spend the night at a cousin's house. They were like, no. What is your feeling on spend the nights? Did you allow them?

I did, but I raised my kids with a very close friend of mine who had children the same age.

Okay.

And she was aunt and I was aunt, and we were definitely not sisters. Yeah, our kids are cousins. They still feel like they're cousins today. They're grown. So in those situations, I did, but I had to know both parents.

Okay.

Until my children were probably in high school, I had to know both parents. And so I used to host, like, hey, come over. Let's get to know each other.

Yeah.

We're having a sleepover party for my daughter's birthday, but I'd like to know you before your kid comes. Smart house. So I used to host.

I used to do that with my girlfriend's parents.

Let me take you to coffee before I come over tonight.

Come over to the house, sit on my bed, feel it's warm and comfy.

So, yeah, I was funny about that. If I didn't know the adults in.

The home, I think I'm out. I think I'm out on the. To spend the night. I just think I'm not.

I've seen one day you're going to want to break.

One day I will want to break. Like, when they're 16 and they could drive themselves to and fro, they can get out of a situation just as quickly as I got into family, of course.

But adults, I didn't know.

Yeah, I think if there was like, there's not a lot of cousins, but if there was a cousin or something, I would be like, okay, all right. I guess for one night. But I just have read so many, this is the situation where parenting is changing so quickly.

Yes.

And now generally, it's just spend the nights are not a thing that many parents think are okay.

Yeah. My aunt didn't let her daughter, my cousin. She still never had one. And she no spend the nights.

None whatsoever.

But I mean, you're going to have some friends that you're going to consider family at some point. The kids. And you're going to tag team. We traded popsicles. One popsicle stick. We traded popsicle sticks. One popsicle stick per hour, per kid. Next time you're up and you just gathered your popsicle sticks and traded. But it was a trusted group of moms groups and kids from the daycare people. You just. Yeah, you build these relationships and you get a little more comfortable. But generally it is a hard no.

Yeah. And then what do you do when it's like, I don't know, going back to Mackenzie Phillips? It's like, what do you do when it's the parent in the home?

Yeah. Now what do you do?

So fucking twisted. So much fucking twisted.

Is she still married to the man that she married that day?

No, I don't think so. I can't imagine she would be. She had a ten year relationship with her dad.

Oh, God. It turns my stomach.

It's just like hearing saying those words out loud. I find it to be rather disturbing. Yeah.

What happened? Why'd they break up?

I don't know. Miscommunication issues? I don't know. I don't want to know, quite frankly. Well, John's been dead for a long time.

I want to know.

Well, I don't know. She's not spilling all the tea. She's just spilling some of the tea.

But reason number one, I will never read this or even listen to it on an audiobook. It sounds like there's no information. She's just dropping bombs and running away. Yeah, that's not okay.

Well, I mean, when something like that happens to you, maybe it's just don't.

Put it in the book.

I agree with you.

Keep it to your therapist.

Yeah, there's just some stuff that maybe you don't want to.

Unless you want to flush it out.

Yeah, see, sometimes that's why I have hard time with the celebrity memoirs and stuff. They drip, drip, drip, leak information before it comes out. Right. All the good stuff has already been out. You expect that there's going to be so much more, right? It's a trailer to the movie now. Trailers to the movie. Basically just give you the whole plot and ending in the trailer.

You're not going to come see it anyway.

You're not going to come see it anyway. Here, please. Watch it on Netflix when it's available. And sometimes these celebrity memoirs are just like that. A drip, drip, drip, drab, drab, drab. And then you already know all the good information, and it's not all that good anyway. It's like, who's that? Jada Pinkett Smith? And she's running around.

Yeah, I heard some nonsense about that, too, but I didn't read.

I feel like it's another one drop bomb. And then everyone goes, oh, my God. And then you're like, wait, you're just.

Not making any more money in your acting career, so you just drop a book. I don't know, stir up some Internet.

Listen, I don't know Jada. I'm sure she's a lovely human being. I watched her on that Drew Barrymore show, and I just could not. Drew show's good, but Drew and her were, like, just gushing all over each other and then something about something. And so Drew asks her, think, why do you think will slapped Chris at the oscars? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And she's like, I'm a big believer that you got to take responsibility for your own actions, so I don't want to talk about that. And it's like, oh, come on.

Wait a minute.

This is the line she's been telling.

That's your husband.

You don't have to apologize for your husband. I get that. And you are not responsible for his actions. I absolutely understand that, but do you have any other opinion besides it's your husband? Do you have any other opinion besides it was him, not me? No one's blaming you. But could you pontificate just a little?

Help us understand.

Help us understand, because Will's not doing. I just saw that Will was, like, in Saudi Arabia with Johnny Depp. They've all been relegated to Saudi Arabia. Yes. What? That's some movie. Like, now the Saudi Arabians put. It's either Saudi Arabia or Qatar. I can't remember. You never get good information on this show, so don't take it to the bank. But they're over somewhere, and it's the film festival. That's obviously someone just throwing billions of dollars at a film festival to get famous people over there. Fine. If you guys got the money, pay for it. I guess it's like that golf that live golf. They just pay everybody a bunch of money to come play shitty golf somewhere. So shitty golf on the Internet, nonetheless. It doesn't even have a tv channel. So I see that in this particular film festival, there's two really famous people. It's Will Smith and Johnny Depp. And they're, like, hanging out high five. And hugging each other.

We like.

Yay. We're both canceled. Hey, what's going on?

Neither of us sent to the desert.

Neither of us will get another academy award. We've been sent to the desert, but the pay is great and the view is wonderful. That's all I got to say.

Wow.

All right, we're going to take our second break and then we're going to get into a 90s phenomenon that I still have a hard time understanding myself. A 90s musical phenomenon actually wasn't a phenomenon. It was a complete failure. But this weird period of time when one of the most famous musicians on earth at that moment went, I don't.

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All right. And we're back. Garth Brooks, what do you think about when you hear the word Garth? Hear the words Garth Brooks.

It reminds me of my middle school years having friends in low places.

I got friends in low places.

The thunder rolls. He was huge.

He was huge everywhere.

Yeah. I'm taking straight back to.

I would argue, besides him and Billy Ray Cyrus, who I think was the first with way down yonder in the.

Chat, he was achy breaky heart. You're talking about Alabama is the band, I think.

Oh, my God. I didn't know you're such a country fan.

My dad was a lebanese cowboy. I don't know if you know this.

About me, but I think I do remember this. You know that my first job behind the microphone was in a classic country radio station called 96 seven the Legend. So I did this show called legend late Night on the legend, where the director of the station, the head programmer of the entire cluster like 28 stations or something like that. I begged and begged and begged for a year till he finally put me on the radio at this, what they call a small stick station, which means the signal reaches about 3 miles in every radius, right. You can't hear it unless it's a cloudy night and it's 03:00 a.m. You can't hear it. Only some certain segment of South Atlanta could hear this. But I begged and I begged. What I really wanted to do was be on the rock station, but that was never going to happen because there was big separation between the business units and the creative units upstairs. So finally I brought him a beer one day, and I'm like, listen, dude, please put me on the radio. I just want it like a couple of minutes. Let me get some practice time.

He said, listen, fine, you be on the radio. But there's two things, he said three things that I need to make sure you understand. Number one, if this ever affects your job downstairs, meaning the business office, if this ever affects your job downstairs, I'll have you fired personally myself. Okay, fair enough. Number two, I'm going to put you on 96. Seven, the legend from 01:00 a.m. To 03:00 a.m. In the morning, and ain't no one going to hear you. I said, sold. Sold. I never want more than 30 seconds of talk, ever. And I was like, okay, got it. In and out of songs, brian. In and out of songs. Hit the post and get out. Tell the weather, get out. Tell them the traffic and get out. I'm like, is there going to be traffic at one to three in the morning in south Atlanta? So I was like, okay, I got it. Time, weather, traffic, get out. Fine. What ended up happening is I would brought friends up there and I got a co host, and I finally expanded it. I was doing 30 minutes of talk an hour and no one noticed.

This went on for like nine months and no one noticed. I was almost doing a full hour of talk out of the hour. So I was doing 3 hours and I was almost doing 2 hours of talk in that 3 hours.

Amazing.

It was amazing. But anyway, this classic country station, the only way that I knew any of these old crooners, these country crooners, was because I had to talk in and out of the songs, right? So I would argue that Garth Brooks is probably one of the first crossover country artists. Do you think crossover into pop into the mainstream?

Yeah. For Garth Brooks was paved the way.

He paved the way. He was as big as it could get he was a country Michael Jackson and many, many people who never even considered listening. You got to remember that back before Garth and Billy Ray Cyrus and some of these, like Kenny Rogers duet with Dolly Parton. Before any of this, you either listened to country music?

Yeah, it was Hank Williams.

Yes. It's a lot like dubstep. Right. It's not mainstream. You don't hear it on the radio.

Right.

And you didn't hear country songs on any mainstream radio station unless it was country. And there were only a few of those.

Only until the 90s, really. Right.

Until the. Then Garth just blows up in the 90s. He's selling out 100,000 seat stadiums down in Brazil. I mean, the guy is all over the place and now he's still doing the same thing, by the way, to this day, he's still selling out these huge arenas. I think he just finished a tour. For whatever reason, at some point. Let me get the facts right on this. I'm just going to pull up the. The Wikipedia here. In 1999, Garth decided that he needed to do something to shake up his musical career and he wanted to be a phantom singer. He was going to create like the.

Masked singer, only in real life.

Exactly. He was going. Rather than put a big dick costume on top of your head. That's right. You're just going to grow your hair out, become one. One of those flavor savers under your lips. The tide had turned. Garth was no longer as popular as he once was.

Well, he had all those scandals with the women and all this.

Yeah, that's true. That always happens.

You fell out of favor.

So he created a Persona called Chris Gaines. Chris Gaines was going to be an alternative rocker and he was going to put out albums, he was going to have a movie, he was going to have a television show. They were going to make documentaries about went. He actually hosted Saturday Night Live as Chris Gaines. I don't know if you know.

Remember. I remember very little about this era of Garth's apparently prolific career. I didn't know he was still touring.

Yeah, he's still touring.

So what happened to Chris?

It was an epic failure. It was an epic flop because no one could understand. We know it's you. Yeah, we know it's you.

We always knew.

Yeah. There was never a secret that it was Garth Brooks as Christopher Gaines. And it was just weird. Rather than wear these big ten gallon hats and run around with boots, he.

Could have just changed his look. He could have Frankie beat himself.

He could have Frankie beat himself. If only Frankie B was there to advise no one would have cared. But he grows his hair out emo. He looks like an emo rocker is what he looks like. If you want to check it out your YouTube.com, the commercial break. We'll put some clips up there. The weirdest thing that came out of this was a vh one behind the music, which was a show that VH one used to produce, where they would take an hour and focus on the history and story of one band or artist. They don't do it anymore.

It was a great show.

It was a great show because it was music documentaries.

Yeah.

And they always had some good, juicy gossip that you never had before.

So, wait, they made one of these for a fake.

For a fake musician? That's right. And I found it online.

Of course you did.

Of course I did. So, without further ado, I was trolling on the Internet, as you do. As I do like to do, Tina and I found the Chris Gaines VH one behind the music.

That's exciting.

It's an hour long. We don't have time to go through all of it, but I think the beginning should just give you a taste of what the rest of it is like. Remember the little tasty Tina.

Just a. Tina.

Just a teeny minute.

Just a tasty.

I just need a little taste. I have to remind you that this is an hour fucking long about a fake man. About a man who never existed.

I can't believe this actually happened.

This is crazy. All right, here we go. Everybody gets. The memories come flooding. The memories come flooding back the second that you see him. He. He's wearing all black. A three piece suit. Not a three piece suit, but a suit. A black suit with a black turtle.

Roy Orbison.

He looks like an emo. Roy Orbison? Like a dashboard confessional smashed up with a Roy Orbison.

He was a rocker who liked fast cars and even faster women.

Sex. That's the greatest thing about being a musician. As they show grinding women.

Wait a minute. Hang on. So I didn't know this part. He, like, this guy has his own backstory.

He's got his own backstory. He made up a backstory about him having a sex addiction.

And we were supposed to believe that's not you, Garth.

Yes.

Okay.

It's clearly Garth. What they do is they just point the camera at the side of his face, hoping you won't get a fresh shot.

I'm trying not to crack up. The whole time.

His passion for music was rivaled by only one thing. I've gone to his hotel room on.

Occasion, and there's been more women there than I would count on one hand. But is it? So he actually got his manager on one?

You know, that's five, right?

I would go up to his hotel room and there were more girls than I could count on one finger.

More than two girls.

There's more than two.

Addiction to sex finally forced Chris Gaines to seek help.

And the craziest part is they have to take all of these, like, back. They have to film all of this broll footage.

No, that was just pictures of Axel Rose. I thought, oh, is it?

Maybe they did that. Fuck you, vh one. Fuck you for buying into this crap. Do you think this is when vh one behind the music jumped the ship? Officially, maybe.

This might have been their last episode. Fortunately, he did get help, because if he didn't, he was headed down a path that was just destructive.

Chris Gaines solo career took him to the top of the charts. Then his manager took him to the cleaners.

I turned Chris Gaines from a nobody.

Into a superstar, and then I stole all his money.

Garth Brooks did that.

He's got the most tragic backstory. Sex addicted. He was going to a dark place.

So funny that that's what he went to. Like, that's what he wanted the story to be.

That's what he wanted.

Was he having so little sex?

Yeah, because wasn't he really addicted to sex? Isn't that too, like, mimicking wife with Trisha year?

What I think.

And now they're married, aren't they?

They got married. I don't know if they're still married.

I think they are still married. You know, if you cheat on someone.

She married Garth or Chris.

I imagine she married both of them. This is probably an exciting bedroom.

Threesomes every night, every single. And his split personality.

I'm going to pop one off as Garth and then I'm going to be back as Chris. Give me 15 to 20 minutes in one of those blue pills. I'll be back as Chris. Now, you should know that they actually put out, I think, two albums as Chris. Yeah, two.

Did he just make it in country and be like, man, I really should have gone the other way with this?

I think he just had never made that full step into mainstream success. I think he was always considered a country artist, even though he had mainstream hits, and I think in some way, shape or form, he just wanted validity as a mainstream artist.

But what a sad, sad.

He sold over a hundred million. What more do you need? You can't be happy with being the world's most popular country artist.

You have to probably still today. I mean, I don't know. Who could give him a run for his know?

I don't know. I don't keep up with it. I mean, Taylor Swift was a country artist at one point.

Maybe she did both. Shania Twain did both.

Yeah.

Blake Shelton, he's. He got pretty big.

But I don't mean Jimmy Buffett.

Yeah, Jimmy. You hear Jimmy on country radio. They all smoke pot with Willie.

Willie is the genocide.

That's how you get in mainstream.

His world tours were renowned for their outrageous antics.

I remember going over to Chris's house. He was packing, and he was packing a chainsaw on his back.

There was a chainsaw on tour? Yes, there was.

Well, is that the hardest thing you can come up with? A chainsaw, not an Uzi or a.

Small woman, just in case I need to take a few trees down.

Oh, my God. And just how he holds his head when he's Chris Gaines.

He's got to hold his bangs.

He's got to hold his bangs over his face. This is so 1999 when he lost.

His best friend, he almost lost his way.

Did they lie about somebody dying?

Yeah, they lied about somebody dying. And, of course, they had to make the friend a black guy.

Of course.

Of course. Right?

That's more rock and roll than that.

It's more rock and roll. Let you know that gar's a nice guy. He welcomes all people.

What?

I know they were close. They had, like, a brother.

How'd they get Billy in on this?

Billy Joel shows up in this. I didn't even know this. Billy Joel shows up in this. Billy Joel bought into this bullshit.

No way.

No way.

What'd they pay him?

I think they probably edited him. Talking about somebody else. Yeah. Going, I don't want to believe Billy was a part of.

No way out of the peel out.

Chris's face was horribly disfigured in a spectacular car crash. You live with your face for 25 years and then just have it totally reshaped.

It's.

It's not an easy thing.

He doesn't even have any scars on his face.

They put, like, a brown paper bag over the guy in the wheelchair.

I know. They show a picture, like, a b roll picture of him in black and white with a paper bag over, horribly disfigured.

That's why you look like Garth Brooks. That was the reconstruction face off style.

That's why you got all that plastic surgery, as with Garth Brooks, get along with.

But he came back to fight another day.

Things you.

Basically had said that.

I just can't believe they did this for a whole hour.

That was country music.

That was definitely country music. There's nothing emo or rock and roll about any of the music they've played so far. You know what?

I'm the king now, and you're going to answer to me now.

Rock's mystery man revealed behind the life of Chris Gaines.

Oh, my God. He's got eyeshadow on. What are we going to do? I mean, honestly, this guy. This is so weird.

Yeah, you're not Morrissey.

His solo albums have sold more than 50 million copies.

Where have they sold 50 murder copies? I don't even think they sold Ted copies.

His concerts have packed arenas around the world. His smash singles have dominated the charts for nearly two decades.

That's not your Smash single country again. Everybody gets up yet.

Chris Gaines is one of rock and roll's most enigmatic figures.

There is this sort of air of mystery, and I often wonder, did he create it or is it really a natural part of his personality?

I always wonder, did he create it or did he create it for more money? I always wondered.

From his solo debut in 1989, Chris Gaines has been hell bent on leaving his mark on rock and roll.

You know, I'm wondering if that guy, Chris angel, actually took his Persona from Chris Gaines, because I'm seeing a lot.

Of similarities right here. Definitely.

That looks like Chris angel.

Definitely shows us mind.

Fake old.

Once Chris decided to become a solo.

Is he in spandex there? He's in spandex.

Black and white.

Black and white spandex artist. He was totally 100% committed.

He went after that with such fury that nothing was going to stop him until he became the biggest artist in the world.

One of the traits I got from my father was success is only success if it comes again.

Maybe success is only success if it comes again. I have failed in every bedroom encounter I've ever had. That's the end.

Chris Gaines was born in Brisbane, Australia, in 1967 into a family of overachievers. His mother, Carolyn, was a member of the australian Olympic swim team. Chris's father, jean, was her coach when Chris was five. His family.

Oh, that's not weird at all. That's not weird that her mom married his coach. I just can't believe how deep they go into this lie, into this whole, like, as creatively. If you're like making a movie, a creative movie, and you're telling a story, I get it. But Garth actually tried to pass off as Chris Gaines. He actually tried to go on tour I think as Chris Gaines.

I think he did.

Did he?

I think he did. What's worse is you can't just tell the people this is the number one selling rock artist of all time when you've never heard of him.

That's right. Let me give you a little backstory on the wikipedia. 1999, Brooks and his production company, Redstrokes Entertainment, with Paramount Pictures, began to develop a film in which Brooks would star the Lamb. Lamb was to have revolved around Chris Gaines, a fictional rock singer, and emotionally conflicted with emotionally conflicted life as a musician in the public eye. To create buz for the project, Brooks took on the identity of Gaines in 1999, and he put out an album called Garth Brooks in the Life of Chris Gaines, which was intended as a pre soundtrack. Pre soundtrack to the film. Wow. To promote the album's release, Brooks appeared as Gaines in television mockumentary for VH one. This seems very much not like a mockumentary, but they're trying to sell it and was the musical guest on Saturday Night Live in March 2021, Brooks announced that the life of Chris Gaines was to be released on multiple platforms, including digital vinyl.

20 years to put it together.

Years, yes. He had one single that went Billboard 100 as a top 40 single. In lost in you, the first single from the music. I don't think he went on tour. And the discography is one. Garth Brooks and the life of Christopher Gaines. Let's listen to two more minutes of this.

From Australia to this modest house in a quiet suburb of Los Angeles, it's a great place to grow up. The weather was fabulous, the girls gorgeous. By the time Chris reached adolescence, Gene Gaines made it clear he wanted his son to follow in his footsteps. My father, if it was athletics, he could pull me over and explain everything to me face to face. As far as anything other than athletics, it was just not a gift that my father possessed.

I mean, Gene must have said he loved Chris at some point, but I.

Don'T remember it by the time, of course, the dad that doesn't love you, the mom that's ultra supportive. It's a terrible, terrible, terrible idea. Here's a little advice to all the little up and coming rock stars out there. And this reminds me, you know, kiss is on tour right now.

They didn't have to do that.

They didn't have to do that. And now they're putting these avatars together. Did you hear this?

No.

So at the last concert, at their last show, they run this promotional video. It's like a minute and a half long. It's not even worth listening to. And they explain that kiss will live on even though they will not be playing live shows together anymore. Kiss will live on as they have spent the last year developing avatars that will go on tour on their behalf.

Like holograms.

Holograms.

Will Tupac tour with them?

Yeah. Abba. Abba did a successful tour with the holograms. Abba. I can understand kiss. I've never been a kiss fan. I don't knock the kiss fans. I just never liked their music. I missed it. I don't understand all the grandiosity. I don't care about the makeup. Yeah. The pageantry, the show, the lights, the fireworks. I understand why some people like it. I understand why people like Rush also.

Sure.

But it's just not my thing either. I just can't get into it. I don't know why. You know what? Good for them. Gene Simmons, always looking to make a buck. Good old Gene. Never let that tongue.

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Yeah. Speaking of personas, kiss. So weird, did you ever go to a kiss show?

No.

The closest I got to ever liking Kiss was Detroit Rock City, the movie, which I thought was a good movie, even though it's filled with kiss music. And the whole goal is for this kid to get to the Detroit so he can see kiss. I just never felt. I don't even.

No connection for me.

I can't even think of one song that I really like. Can you? No, none of them.

It's on none of my playlists.

No, I've never had a kiss album. I've never had it on a playlist.

That's so weird. Me either.

I know. Not on an iTunes. No, nothing.

Never.

Just like Chris Gaines.

I like the Kiss song by Prince.

Okay. The Kiss song by Prince I can get into. And by the way, nothing compares to you. The one that the family put out, the version of Prince singing nothing compares to you with that woman. I can't remember her name right now. Something. Rosie something.

Rosie Gaines.

Rosie Gaines?

Yeah.

Is that her name? Yeah, I think it is. I think you're right. Rosie Gaines singing with prince. Nothing compares to you. So beautiful is unfucking believable. It's a revelation. Go listen to it. Anyway. You know what else you can do? You know what else you can do? Tcbpodcast.com. That's where you go. You find out more information about the show, all the video, all the audio. Everything we've ever done is right there at the website. If you want your free piggy fronting sticker. Hit the contact us button. The drop down menu. I want my sticker. Give us your physical address. We'll send it off in seven to ten days. Six two six. Ask TCB the number three. That's 1626. Ask TCB the number three. Toll free from anywhere in the world. Text us questions, comments, concerns, content, ideas. Ask Brian's mom. Ask TCB. Whatever you got, shoot it over there or leave us a voicemail. Your voice may be used on the show, so be mindful of what you say. Also, at the commercial break on Instagram, we got almost a million views on that Verdas reel. Isn't that insane? I wish we had a million followers.

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Tina, that's a lot for one day.

I think we did. Thank you for joining me in the chair again.

I appreciate it.

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