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This is the Dan Leviton Show with the Stugatz Podcast. I don't think enough is being made of... Because they're going to keep this.

Shit up throughout. It's going to be an annoying week with Ohio State, Michigan. They're going to.

Keep this shit up, even though it looks like Michigan's taking.

The L and dropped it. Yes. Yeah. They're going to keep feeding it. Horrible Ball is going to keep feeding it, but you all did that shit. We got approved for that game. We're going. I'm so excited. Nice. Nice. That's awesome.

Amazing. Didn't even.

Need you to text anybody, stew. I did. I already sent one to Leroy Ward, I mean. Do you respond?

No. I'll do a clean one.

The game.

I'm going to cry so much.

At that one. I'm buying waterproof mascara before.

I go. Expensing it? Of course. I'm so good at that.

What's.

So good.

At that, Billy.

What do you mean? Is this the last.

Big college football game in.

The regular season ever? Not ever. Just until, well, Saturday afternoon. It's rivalry week, so there's.

A lot going on. But with the expansion.

No game will ever matter.

This game.

Will eliminate someone from the.

Playoffs, right? Yeah, this game will decide if it's Michigan or Ohio State, and that's.

Given that they can beat Iowa in the Big Tint Championship game. But people think that expansion in college football is going to ruin rivalries.

And it is going to ruin some. Bedlam is not going to be the same. The Apple Cup is not going.

To be the same. But Michigan, Ohio State will always survive, and you're going to start getting new, interesting ones where, USC, Ohio State could be a fun rivalry we come to know and love. It's not ever going to die. Teams are still going to hate each other a lot. There have been two different weeks on this college football calendar where I'm sure you're looking at the schedule and you're wondering a lot, where are we going to go? There really isn't a great, marked game here. All that stuff goes out the window next year.

Have you seen these schedules, these marked matchups? I understand Billy's point of, look, we essentially... It's being built up as a playoff elimination game here between Michigan and Ohio State. That's what it is, right? But when you expand the playoff, you're going to have many more games that feel like elimination games. You're tripling the amount of teams that can go in there. But you're going to have many more games that also feel like they don't matter that much. I don't think so. Because you can fall from 4-12 and still get in. No, for instance, this game right here, both of these teams will still make the playoff next year. Which is why this game won't feel as big. But, Billy.

What happens when that team falls from 4-12? You don't think that they're going to have a big football game.

When they're at 12? But, Mike, it does take some sting off of these games. It does.

It takes some sting off.

The regular season. College football, I've said forever, has it exactly right. The regular season, it means something because you have de facto.

Playoff game just about every week. I know I'm in the minority. I know people think four is the right number. I know people felt some way about NIL, and I came out limped out with the take that I think it actually.

Means a little bit more parity, and we're starting to see the seeds of that. I actually think an expanded playoff with these mega conferences is going to be amazing for the game. More teams actually thinking that they have a chance, more teams that have two losses that are playing like their seasons on the line, where now it feels like depending on where you are and what conference you reside in, we're talking about FSU who's had a magical season, probably not making the college football playoff just on account of their quarterback being out. That's what the margin is right now. It's hard to have a season as good as F. S. E. Was having right now and to not have a reward to be able to play for it, it feels dumb. I understand what Billy is saying, though. I don't know with all the change that is coming because Itry.

To make sure that I can obviously make the argument that college football is doing everything right. Because what Saturdays feel like all over this country, where I'm watching a South Carolina game and I can't believe the atmosphere in that stadium because it feels so much bigger than anything I'm even watching on Sunday between a 3:00 and seven team, just the energy of it. You can feel those people have regional pride. They have their identity tied up in that stuff. What happens at night in these college cities feels a little bit different. The money grab has worked for everybody, and it's created more and more interest. But I don't know if we're going to have something that feels like this, which is the standard of the best seasons and with two 11-0 teams galloping at each other in a conference, in a rivalry to, Is this the best season ever, or are we going to end it with losing to our rival? I don't know if we're going to see a lot of that going forward. It's just going to be different. It doesn't mean it's going to be bad. It can indeed be better. But I don't know if it's going to look exactly like it feels in this region of the country where these two teams, everybody is wondering, everybody is wondering, can they actually play with Georgia?

Or is this again the same thing of Michigan is going to try to out muscle you and then they're going to get to a playoff game and they're going to be Wisconsin in disguise because they shouldn't be there? Everybody is wondering, but now they get to prove it against each other. Lucy's been telling me all season. She doesn't believe Ohio State can beat Michigan. I'm like, But have you not watched this game in recent years? Michigan doesn't win these games. But next year it won't matter to Billy's point, though. It won't matter. Both teams will get in. What are.

You doing where you're making them as good? Their conference is getting so much better. It matters so much.

The idea that next year, just because Michigan adds Washington to the schedule and maybe they get.

An extra loss, means that they don't hate Ohio State as much. The hatred and the rivalry in college football is stronger than I think anywhere else. This game means everything. You ask Ohio State players, Would you rather go 11-1 with a loss to Michigan or 1-11 and beat them? You're going to get both responses. It's not going to die. It's going to get a little weirder in just the regular season before that. But these rivalries that have stood the test of time, Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Auburn, they will stay and they will be as strong and powerful as ever. If you had a 12-team playoff, a game that happened last week that was a top 25 matchup, Kansas State, Kansas.

We haven't talked about it. We didn't talk about that all week. That's a game that has playoff stakes. Yeah, but Mike, I'm not sitting there saying, What are those teams? Regardless of who wins, can win the.

National championship. The game will always mean something to Ohio State in Michigan, right? Right.

But will it mean something to me next year if it's not with playoffs on the line? I don't know. I think it will if the.

Team that you support is number 17 in the nation and you want one of them to fall down. I just think way more teams. I think SI did a study on all the programs that would have made an expanded playoff field, and there was something like maybe 30 that wouldn't have been in it in all of a division. It was a ridiculous number. Miami would have made it multiple times. Think about how we talk about Miami's football program over these last few years. They would have made it multiple times in this century to the college football playoff. Kansas would have made it multiple times to the college football playoff had it been expanded over the course of these 20 years. While it's easy to get swept up in the romanticism of, This feels like a juggernaut battle. This feels like an elimination game. This is incredible. Ohio, St. Michigan, this is college football. We forget about the years worth of shows where we're arguing about Baylor not having a shot to play for the national title, or UCF not having a shot.

To play for the national title. I think this is.

Great for the game. But maybe we're going to a worse system if Miami would have made it multiple times. I think when the playoffs expanded, I think we learned.

Like, Oh, Oregon can't actually win the national championship ever. Twelve is too many. We're in a world right now where Penn State would make the playoff, and.

We know that's a problem. We can't let Penn State into the playoff. That's where we have to draw the line. But I understand your point because Penn State plays Michigan State, and they're.

12th in the country right now, so they would have to win that game to get in. But no one thinks Penn State.

Is going to win the national championship, but they do get it. I'll tell you.

What just happened.

To Billy, though. Billy just realized.

Never mind who's going to win it. Clearly, Bo Nicks is.

Going to win the national championship. Oregon is going to win now just because I said they can never win. They will win the national championship this year. Everyone asked. He regretted it as soon as he said it. As soon as it left my lips, I said, Come back. Let's play for the people Jim Harbaugh's sound of him being weird because that's the other element we have in this game that you might want to get more used to. But this game generally doesn't have also the whole spying controversy that has Connor Stallion.

Basically, Michigan didn't get the bump past Ohio State.

The last couple of years until they started allegedly cheating, correct? Those two.

Things lined up together. You've got that as well. And here's.

Harball leaning into it all. Locker rooms, a lot like my mom's bathing suits. I can see my one piece. His lenses are so thick. How can he see? He went from zero to.

Blind real quick, right? I do not remember him being that blind for a long... When he was in San Francisco, he did not look like that. What happened to his vision? Well, he's been thinking about his mother.

In bathing suits, which is what that sound was about. One piece. Yes, I like my locker rooms like I want.

Anyone else.

Think that's unusual what he did there? It is unusual, but that's what he normally does in press conferences, so that is actually him being normal. That clip cut off. At the beginning, he referenced.

Ted Lasso. So he knew.

That he was doing a.

Little play on Ted Lasso.

And that stuff.

Jim Harball wrote that down a few weeks ago and said, This is really good. It's going to kill me. He was sitting on it. I'm going to find a way to use it. And he did it. He's a weirdo. Super weirdo. And this is the game that this entire region lives for because Stugat's to have it be your hated rivals. This has been a month of buildup on Ohio State is trying to run Jim Harbaugh out of that job. Everybody meeting these commissioners getting together and trying to punish Michigan and enjoying the punishment of Michigan. This is something you'd find at your local Optimist League with a kids team that was.

Doing too well and people checking birth certificates. They're trying to run Jim Harbaugh out.

Of that job.

What happens if he shows up?

Maybe he's allowed.

In the stance.

In a disguise. Students at Bobby Valentine. I could see him doing it.

I can.

See him do it. I could see him do it. He's so great. Oh, my God. What if he dresses like Connor Stallions and he's just standing right behind? It's good. On Ohio State's eye-law. He should do all of that. What happens? Who's the police that is going to support him out? Wait, what are the consequences? What are the consequences to Jim Harbaugh showing up in an actual disguise? Certainly, he'll get field access, right? He could get it. He must do this. Harbaugh, I'm demanding it of you.

You want.

To make fun.

Of the whole system and prove your innocence even though you're not innocent? Please show up in a disguise on the sidelines of that Ohio State game. Don Lebertard. I miss crank windows. Too many unnecessary conveniences now, cruise control. Please, I've got cruise control built in. It's called my right foot. It controls how fast the car goes. No button or steering wheel ever needed. Power steering. There's another one. Why don't want to give my power to the car?

The power.

That.

I once had. The car is a ton of metal. I'm a damn college graduate. Stugats. Bluetooth, HD radio, satellite. I'll take AM, please, with Wolf Man Jack talking through the static, and I'll crank the windows down so everybody can hear. I'm Greg Cody, and that's.

How it was back in my day. This is The Don't Live At Are Show with the Stugats.

Lucy, at what point in the college football season did you start getting sad.

About it being over? Army-navy game.

Two weeks ago? You've already passed it. Two weeks ago.

I was like, Man, this is going to hurt like a motherfucker. Felt it at Clemson for sure.

But.

We have Michigan, Ohio State this weekend, SEC Championship, and then Army, Navy. So three more weeks. You're going to do Army, Navy? Are you going to go to Army Navy? Of course, we're going.

To Army Navy, Dan. That's right.

You tell them. That's exciting.

Thank you for your.

Service bowl. Thank you for your service.

Can I say something about Army Navy?

Don't say.

It loud. Don't say it loud. Be careful if.

We're don't say it, Mike. Don't say it, Mike. If we're on microphones, if we're near a video, it's the point of saying it.

Please be careful. Can I say.

Something about it? Let's turn everything off if we can.

I love it.

What the.

Sport means.

In fact, people should be forced to attend these schools. They call it the Golden Generation, for a reason.

Stugart, I want to read something here based on what we were talking about yesterday, the conversation around Karissa, Thompson. Somebody writes in, I love you, Dan, but come on. All the things to have issues with in sports, this is the thing. You're acting like she committed a crime.

Well, you care about journalism. You care about people doing their job and doing it correctly. You care about the information being accurate and not made up. I understand why you would have the take you had yesterday, and people certainly understand why I had the take that.

I had yesterday. But it's not even my take isn't very strong on here or controversial. It's simply saying, Hey, you should tell the truth. As a reporter, I don't even think I'm arguing on behalf. I wasn't crushing Karissa Thompson. I'm just saying making things up, that's not ever been okay. But when people come out with some version of it's not the end of the world or she didn't commit a crime, I didn't say she did. I just said that truth matters wherever it is that you're getting information. I don't even know. We're about to talk to the author about the Fox controversy and the Dominion voting scandal. Brian Stelter is going to join us here in a little bit to talk about the truth should matter.

What about just not lying, though? Isn't there a gray area in between?

Chris, the place- Not-the place that I don't think there's a gray area is saying you talked to the coach when you did not talk to the coach. I'm not arguing anything here that's controversial. I'm just drawing a line there saying, Hey, you shouldn't do that. No, is sideline reporting that important? No. Are sports that important? No. Does this controversy, is it that important by itself? No, but the truth is important. Yes, I think it matters.

Yeah, but, Dan, what she's doing or what she did is, Hey, I've done enough of these to know I can't get access to the coach, can't find the coach. I know you're going to say, Go find the coach. Do your job.

Find the coach. Or tell us you didn't find the coach and report on something else. Just throw it right back to the booth? Stugato, all I'm saying is you don't have to make it up.

Who does that? Joe, I didn't talk to the coach, but I did have a hot dog during the break.

Back to you. I mean, let's be.

More honest. I approached Sean Payton, but he did this weird thing with his hand to shush me away. Back to you, Jim.

He walked by and said, Just make.

Something up. He didn't meet his contractual obligation of being available in this partnership with the leagues that.

Television has. He said something about Moderna and his mom dying. I don't know.

That'd be great if coaches actually said to her, Hey, no time. Just make something up. You got it.

We played like shit.

You'll figure it out. Well, yada, yada, yada.

Let's play, Stugat, as there were more water and shower issues in Washington in the giants Washington game. We have really laughed over the last couple of decades about how poorly Daniel Snyder ran everything in that franchise. Apparently, it is not news to many that you're not always going to have a functioning shower situation. So you played an NFL game that hurts. You got blood in some places. You want to wash off. You want to do so comfortably. It's a multibillion dollar industry. You want to shower like human beings. But here from Tomahawk is Andrew Hawkins and Joe Thomas talking about, This isn't even new.

There was a report this week about, I think it was the commander's stadium that ran out of hot water, and it was a big deal. There was no hot water. I can't tell you how many damn games that we played in the League where there was no hot water. What? It happened all the time. There's been times when there's been no water, period. We get back to the locker room and they have clipped the water. There's nothing to take a shower. Or in a visitor locker room in the NFL, there are... I forget what stadium. Maybe it was Oakland Stadium.

Yeah.

But.

There was -Oakland.

For sure.

Buffalo is horrible.

Buffalo. There's like 15 showerheads. What 15 showerheads mean for 80 people taking a shower and we have ten minutes to do it. We literally, this sounds crazy, we literally... This sounds crazy. We had to share showers at the same time. Oh, no. What happens is this just sounds wow. This is going to be a viral moment, but I'm telling you how it works. This is no bullshit. Joe can attest to this. There's one shower going. I stand on one side, Joe stands on the other. As we're lathering away, one person gets in, they get out, the other person does... You literally have to share the shower head at the same time. Joe, am I lying?

No, you're absolutely telling the truth. It was disgusting. It was one of those moments where you're like, This is what pro sports looks like? This is how I wash my children. When they're little, you turn the shower on, you get one rinsed, and then you get them soaked up as the other one's rinsing. But in Oakland, it's legit. In the old stadium, not nobody plays there anymore. I guess the baseball team is leaving now, too, because apparently, they hate the shower situation as well. They hate sharing showers. It's a Hall of Famer. Joe Thomas, I understand Cleveland Browns didn't play a lot of winning football, but he was excellent at what he did.

Is that Joe's house?

Or is a resort? God, I'm jealous.

That looks like a Key West resort.

I want to be him. Joe travels a lot. He travels a lot. I think he's moving to Germany, too, and I don't think he's moved, just judging by that picture just yet.

It looked a bit like the is what it looked like to me. There's a lot of ocean behind him. It might be Carolina's engolfing, though.

Hilton Head, right there.

Is he in this country? Is he in this country for sure, Joe Thomas, with that backdrop? It is a beautiful backdrop. I don't think it's his home, though.

It.

Could be his house, though, Dan.

It could be. This was Mexico.

I mean, I think- He made a lot of money, man. I know. It's not money that I'm thinking of. I just, for some reason, think of Joe Thomas living on a property that has a tractor. I don't think of it being near water. I think that's where Joe- Offensive, Lyman. I think this is where Joe Thomas, not even on vacation. It's not just offensive, Lyman. It's this particular offensive, Lyman. Didn't he go fishing the day he was drafted?

Yeah. That was before the NFL money hit. Yeah, but.

Here it looks like he just played nine. I'm not certain if the nine holes aren't in his backyard.

You think that that looks like a resort. That is not his balcony. That is a balcony for.

A-it's a small pool for a resort. I mean, big pool for a house.

Not really at the point of.

The story. We got to get to the bottom of this.

I'm just trying to get to the bottom.

That's too many columns for his own personal residence. Put that back up. All right, call.

Andrew Hawkins. Let's count the columns. Fine, do some reporting. Fine. Or I'll throw it- I'm going to ask Joe. You know what? I'll throw it to you and you just make it up. In fact, you say you talk to Joe. We've been doing that for 20 years. You say you talk to.

Andrew or Joe. No, as long as you don't say you talk to Andrew or Joe, you're fine.

Let's close the segment, Mr. Gotts, with you getting the answer to this because you've texted both Joe Thomas and Andrew Hawkins. I want to get into Chris Cody's fear, irrational fear of Tim Boyle.

It's a fear of the unknown. I wouldn't say I'm afraid of him. I just know what I'm getting with Zach Wilson. When you name Tim Boyle the starter, it just throws that little smackling of doubt in my mind of, is there a Tim Boyle.

Game left? What is.

A smackling? I don't know, man. Just roll with it. You know.

What I meant. Is this the next Kurt Warner? Is this the next Brock purdy? Right, I understand it. There's no film on.

Timmy Boyle. I would have felt better if Zach Wilson was starting is my only point. I still feel great on the spectrum here of how I feel, but I'm just, Tim Boyle, there's a mystery there.

There is no mystery there. He's a terrible at quarterback. I'll give you some of the stats.

He was QB 2 to Zach Wilson.

When he played at Yukon, his touchdown...

Who was not QB 1, by the way.

That is correct. When he played at Yukon, one touchdown, 13 interceptions.

It's a bad program.

What was the.

Schedule like? When he played at Eastern Kentucky, 11 touchdowns, 13 interceptions.

How did he.

Get drafted? A lot more touchdowns.

Yeah, much better. In the NFL, he has three touchdowns and nine intersections. You're simply-.

Hasn't played that much? Dan, be careful. We're marking the sound. What if Tim Boyle has the game?

No, this is what's happened.

Tim Boyle has played enough Snabs to throw that many interceptions?

Evidently. I think I have.

That right. I feel like he may have checked in at a Lion's Thanksgiving game that I had checked out on.

You don't believe he has played enough? No, wait a minute.

I'm shocked to learn he has that many interceptions because he's played that much football. It's not.

Because he's played that much football. It's because he throws a lot of interceptions.

Well, both are a surprise to me.

He's played 18 games since 2019.

He's had a full-season sample. Where have these 10 Boyle games been?

Most of it was in Detroit. Of his 73 completion, 61 of them were in 2021 in Detroit, where his record was 0 and 3.

Put it on the poll. Is he a Boyle on the ass of NFL quarterback?

I've done some reporting. You're a writer. On the Joe Thomas situation.

You're going to give us the report? I thought Stugato was going to give us the report.

You got it? I got it.

All right, go. Well, at the end of the segment. Okay. I want it as the dismant to the segment. How much time do I need to leave you at the end of the segment? Three seconds. Okay, let me get to more boil information because you fearing him. He is.

Very-that's not what I said.

-it's the unknown.

-it's just I would have felt more confident with Zach Wilson. That's it. He's just a little... He's playing for something. This is his chance. He's thinking right now, This is a good defense I got. This is his moment for his entire... What is he thinking right now? I suck. You think Tim Boyle is at his house right now? God, these guys are right.

I suck. Yeah, probably. He's terrifying. I could have been shopping today, and now I got to.

Play football. No, he's thinking, This is my last chance, and I'm going to make the most.

Of it. The other option was Trevor Simeon.

No. He's the second-string. -zack moved to third about that.

Well, there I could see you fearing. There I could understand.

He's done something.

There I could understand because you have seen that person play football in a way that's not totally incompetent.

But you just said that I trust the people that see him every day. Whoever they're seeing at practice, they're putting Tim Boyle ahead of this guy that you just admitted, I'd be okay to be.

Afraid of you. But what was behind Zach Wilson?

I'm just saying. You just said I could fear Trevor Simeon and this guy's ahead.

Of Simeon on that. 40, more than 40 possessions without.

A touchdown. You have me now rooting for the jets. What? Because I want to be right. I want to be.

Right now. Tim Boyle probably knows the offense better. Simeon came in mid-season and he's a Nathaniel Hackett guy because he was in Green Bay before.

So he knows that bad offense better?

Yeah. Well, Garrett Wilson is not bad. He is open. He was bad last week. Well, he wasn't. His quarterback's bad. He was not bad.

They have threeses. We know that they have a couple of jobs. -have talent.

The part, though, that is funny about your general fear because that league is weird. That's the Friday game. I'm going to miss that. I'm going to forget that game. People are going to forget that that game exists.

Impossible. No, stop it.

That game, Sundays has gotten me. That game, the.

Dolphins, man. Sundays has gotten me. Amazon's going to find a way to shove that game down your throat. Whether you're shopping for a toast or whatever you're doing, you're going to know the game is on.

Boyle, you cannot fear this person, Chris Cody.

You're taking my words and you're running with them.

Well, it's the DeVito effect. It's the DeVito effect is all that's happened here. It's just a sprinkling or a smackling, as you like to say, of the DeVito effect. You're afraid of a little Italian fingers. That's what you're afraid of.

This tin boy lived with his family.

Mike was right at the timeshare in Mexico. Wow.

A timeshare.

He fell for that?

He watched the presentation? Putting his hand on his chin?

Dan Levitard. Teammates can't shoot from three. Now they're going to see a.

Different.

Jimmy. Now he's just playing, nickel back in the locker room and… Stugats. Now, play dee and show threes as they chase the net for the success. He's the king of the street. These five words in his head, scream are we winning games yet?

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats.

I heard John Oliver the other day, Stugats making fun of Apple+ television because Apple+ television is spending extraordinary amounts of money to put famous people in big, giant, epic projects that you're watching that don't seem to be getting very much traction anywhere. I think John Oliver called it Where Celebrities Go to hide. You can go and get a big paycheck. You can make something super, super glossy. But so far, Ted Lasso and Michael J. Fox's documentary, some things have won some awards. But for whatever the reason is, Apple, with all the money in the world, all the competitive advantages, is producing good stuff, but isn't quite getting the traction that people think Apple Plus should get spending the way that they are. They are now doing a 10-part documentary on The Patriots because they're going with glossy brands in sports. Right? They're doing Magic Johnson, Steph Curry. They're finding whoever it is the big, signature famous things are. And a 10-part, I imagine what that had to cost to get all of those people to agree and to have the NFL sanction. Hey, we're going to tell you about the last 20 years. We're going to do it officially.

We're going to do it with a new league partner on streaming. After Michael Jordan sets the standard and ESPN set the standard at the pandemic, at the start of the pandemic, that if you're really resonating through this time in our sports landscape, you get 10 of these. Jerry Jones is getting... Isn't Jerry Jones getting a 10-parter or is it a three-parter on Netflix? Three for Jerry, I believe. The people of this time are now telling their stories, and they're telling their stories in the biggest sport, the most popular sport, the sport that they built. As we make fun of Belichick running out of a house and Tom Brady's about to take whichever $375 million job he wants with ownership in the league and with the next stakes on what Messi is doing, partnering with Apple to bring you the future of what all this shit looks like, all of it, because I don't know what it looks like in 10, 15 years, but I can't imagine a scenario where Apple loses. They've got too much money to lose when they're one of the few things that exists that can even buy Disney to prevent itself from losing.

It actually looks like Jerry Jones is getting a 10-part documentary that's worth $50 million to Netflix. 50 million. Why do you think these things aren't working like Apple Plus?

Well, it's not working well enough because we keep calling it Apple Plus. I know they've rebranded, but it's Apple TV. It is Apple. And then you'll see an Apple TV Plus out there, too. But one thing that it isn't is Apple Plus anymore.

Okay.

Forgive me. It's still Apple, and you know what I'm generally talking about.

I know that's why I didn't make the correction, but it goes in. It doesn't feel good.

Helps prove the point. I would have preferred it as a small smackling instead of a full-blown spanky.

That's the point. My wife has actually been watching a lot of the Apple TV programming. I'd given a couple of things that there is to try outside of the Ted Lasso phenomenon. I think it's fair to call that a phenomenon. She watched The Morning Show and I watched a little bit and I know that show got off to a slow start, but there's huge stars there. It seems well done.

The Morning Show was good the first season and fell apart for me. Really? I usually follow.

Those things through. People tend to have a different reaction to that, which is like, What the hell is this first season? Then it gets stronger, but to each their own. She's watching this Brie Larsin show that she is raving about. Blackbird was on there. I love Blackbird. I thought that was phenomenal. Yes, it was good. Yeah, but to your point, they have these massive stars doing big, ambitious projects with massive budgets, and they're not really generating the type of conversation that.

Ted Lasso did. I'm just telling you that whenever I scroll through their offerings, what I am seeing, Stugart, in size and scope feels like Christopher Nolen all over the place. It feels like giant, sprawling projects about space and the future and science fiction. All I see on my screen is not necessarily an interesting story. It's just money. All I see is like, Oh, my God, how much did all of this cost?

That's just Jennifer Anison's lighting.

But you've got no interest in 10 parts of Patriots?

I saw Maine in the Arena a little bit, and I lost interest with it. I don't know if I had the type of attention span to give a second Patriots documentary a try, even though that one was more about Tom braided, but come on, Tom braided is the Patriots.

I have an appetite for 10 parts on The Patriots. Is it done in conjunction with the League? Is it being done with The League?

I just think all this stuff is done with The League.

Why are we green lighting 10-part things? How about we do one or two parts? And if people like that, let's add other parts.

Zipp a toe in the water?

I don't want to ruin, honestly, the watching experience for everyone. Then you give the guy an Oscar, you just emboild on everyone to not have an editor and just make things drag on and on forever. Jesus.

Did things change with the Jordan Doc? I don't understand. He's saying to Edelman. People like the U documentary, and then they're like, We need more of this. Okay, sequel. That's the way these things used to work.

We had nothing else to do with that time.

But Billy is making it O. J, though. Billy is making it Edelman who did this?

That was a.

Little long. That was right, yeah.

The Jordan one was fine because, like you guys said, we had nothing else to do at the time, so that was fine. We have nothing but time to sit around and watch. We can't even talk to friends, family members. We can't go outside. We can't breathe. We can't to wash our grocery bags and change our indoor clothes and our outdoor clothes. That was a perfect time for 10-part anything. We watched a thing about this crazy guy that was like a tiger person, and then we got involved in his world of tiger rivals. It's really just like this criminal underworld of people who are acquiring tigers illegally, if you're really going to think about it, and exotic animals. Then we had campaigns where we wanted to get this guy named Joe Exotic out of prison that he was in for maybe trying to murder his competitor who may or may not have murdered her husband and buried her underneath her house.

That's a once in a.

Lifetime story. Doc Antel was the sane one. Then he was on our show every day for a week. Like three weeks. Then got arrested for, of course, doing the Doc.

Antel things. We knew the risk.

I'll admit it now.

We.

Knew the risk. Not of Carol Raskin, we didn't. We still don't know what the risk is.

Raskett and fine.

Oh, man.

Two dollars.

That's just a small... Have you considered just stop using names?

Just in general?

Yeah. Are you at that point? Because you said the quarterback for the bears, everyone knows what you're talking about.

It's gotten.

That bad. I mean, Tony and Wilbon know this trick. My favorite part of... I don't really watch PTI all that much anymore, but I think sometimes Tony throws out the device of The Kid in Buffalo, and Wilbon just nods along because I also don't think he knows the name of Josh Allen right at the.

Top of his head. Then the next five seconds later, he'll say it, and it's like a producer clearly just said it in.

His ear. Do you guys want to work on that? Do you want to.

Help me there?

That was fun. This was.

Really fun. Now you've gone too far. What I'm saying is you have very little track record recently of being right on these names, so buy yourself some time. Just say the Kid in Buffalo, and I'll.

Pipe in like- The old murderous woman?

Yeah.

I'll chop- Garrel Raskin.

I'll help you out. Like I said, chop and say earlier, it's compensate. Man, I wish I had a producer in my ear. I think I should.

Just go fish for it. I should just toss out to you. Okay, that's a better way to do it. I'm clearly not disguising it very well.

We're trying to help you out.

Well, does it? Yeah, I guess. But can you.

Help me on the front end? Do things like the big arm in Kansas City. Oh, what a good quarterback. I'll feed you. That's Patrick Mohs.

You want to do it that way?

Yeah. The kid, the big arm.

Yes. Yeah. Go with haircut. The haircut in Kansas City. What's his name?

I don't think that's a good way to do this. But help me here.

Haircut with the chargers.

With how some of this stuff ages, Stugart, because I am watching. I've gotten caught here in a YouTube algorithm that's just giving me a whole bunch of Gary Chanling and Jerry Seinfeld and David Letterman, where I just get- Oh.

You're with the times.

No, well, this is- Do.

You get the thing where it's like half the screen is the the medium and the bottom half is like a car going down like a video game thing? Do you guys get these things?

Dan's the only person that gets literal reels when he goes on IG. They just deliver him things on a reel.

I'm always watching a car just going down some ramp.

Is that a game that you can play that they're overlaying over the video?

It must keep our attention more because I watch them. I'm listening to this fun content and I got to see if this car makes you to the bottom.

How is this car going to make it over this gap?

It's sideways. I also like the one where it's 10 miles an hour car going into a wall. Here's 30 miles an hour and you get to see the AI of what cars look like smashing into walls.

I don't know if they're a sponsor, but the Ford Bronco seems very unsafe.

Yeah, it does.

Back to your.

Comedy, though.

We like Jeeps here.

It also feels unsafe to say that without knowing that.

They're a sponsor.

We're anything from Bill Seidl.

I.

Think.

We're safe. We love the sponsors.

Shane Gillis is now all over to be more modern, slightly more modern- There you go. -than the group that I'm getting.

And Morse, of course.

But within that, something happened last night because Stugart's all of this is changing. Late Night is gone. It exists as social media clips. It doesn't even matter anymore to the younger generation. The Colbert and Letterman were on together. We'll consume it in clips. We won't tune in. We won't do it the way we've done it. Joe Regan is the new Johnny Carson. He's the new Saturday Night Live. Saturday Night Live only has half his reach. He makes comedians now. More than Saturday Night Live does Saturday Night Live. Very diverse now. Comedy, gone. Joe Regan is the kingmaker now. He's the one who will make Shane Gillis millions. Shane Gillis exists as an entity now in the new marketplace, Dugots, and he's taking a new lane because this guy's dangerous. There aren't many dangerous.

Going right now. Taking notes diverse means not funny. It's the way that you said it. I'm not correcting you. You're cooking.

Shane Gillis is getting hugely popular, and he's funny. And he's funny, at least in part, because he looks just like.

Chris Cody. I mean, he's aiming for me.

Target hit. He's got you. He's got you. And there's so many like you.

Thank you.

I think. He's doing it all himself, and it's got smart elements. Louis CK, Stugatz, and Chris Rock changed some of this, where they made you think about some of this stuff really seriously. Now all of a sudden, comedians are like, Oh, not that seriously. Don't take me that seriously. Shane Gillis has found a reach through this podcast spreading sphere where comedians have found the safe spaces for themselves, where they're not going to get canceled because they're making their own rules in a new economy away from late night next to Joe Regan. They are dominating the podcast.

I'm not going to use the word griffed because I know that that's coded. But there is a wide lane here for stand-up comedians in this era to go into the warm Bosom of the disenfranchized white man. I'm not saying this in an insulting way. It's almost better for you to be too hot for the left, and I'm a men's right activist, and that's really where a lot of money is for a lot of these dudes making big time specials now.

Independently, too, because he's a powerhouse on his own, and he invented it himself after he was too hot for Saturday Night Live.