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I am warning you right now, we are about to ruin Saltburn. The movie Saltburn. If you have not seen it, you need to just skip past this segment. I'm warning you now because otherwise you're going to get mad, really mad, at everyone on this show. Saltburn. If you want to watch it and do not want it spoiled, you must fast forward through this now. Don't be an asshole.

This one's called the Hockey show. This is the weekly one.

The hockey show?

Yeah.

It's not the post game show?

No, it's not hockey show.

Only on Fridays or something.

The hockey show is every Friday. The post game show happens sometimes at the Panthers.

This is a post game show at.

The end of this. What am I setting up?

The hockey show.

Guys.

This is going to go with Dwark, not the post game show with Dwarf. This is going to go in the audio post game show. But the post game show is the hockey show.

Yes.

All right. Let me explain something to the audience here, because this is.

What if it's a tie?

The entanglement we've got going on here, Jessica and Lucy have an unnamed. Mostly.

Hold on, twice named.

Hold on. Twice named. Forgive me.

That's so nice. They named it twice.

Okay. And that is going to appear. Are there any special guests?

It already appeared.

Lucy. Also, steely Dan Gojo came on this week.

The show and not Saltburn. The problem that I have with the way that we're promoting things around here.

Is we're promoting too much or promoting.

After the fact what Roy is doing in the post game show or the hockey show.

So it's two different shows?

It's two different from the beginning.

Wait, there's two shows?

I thought it was one show.

No, this has been very.

Jesus.

Today's price. Today's hockey show is the main show's post game show.

Yep.

There's also a post game show after some home hockey games.

Not exactly sure when, though.

Well done.

Wait, what are they called?

Thank you.

Which one is called the Hockey show?

This one.

We're about to do the hockey show. Just different episodes? No, the other one's a different thing.

No, the other one is the post game show after the Panthers games.

But this hockey show is in the post game.

This hockey show. The hockey show is in this post game.

The hockey show is in the post game show. But the post game show is called after the game.

Is it the hockey show or the hockey show?

That's a good question. It depends on where you're from.

I guess it should be the.

If you're from dialect, I got to.

Tell you, the branding on this hockey enterprise of yours is really massive.

Finally, someone should have been foot boys.

No, that's a good point, actually.

Foot boys.

Foot boys.

Boys.

I have been very disappointed. I've been very disappointed by your performance. What? Roy, because your hockey show is a bit of a mess promotionally.

There's two.

After the game or the hockey show.

This is the part that bothered me the most today. About your general performance today is that I saw you in jail, okay? And it made me happy to think you were suffering.

Really? Yes.

But here's what happened, Roy. Here's what happened. I kept looking at you in jail, and you couldn't stop trying to suppress a giggle. While I had jailed, you. You could not fundamentally stay in jail. Sad, properly jailed. Justly jailed. You kept smiling and laughing and not staying properly punished in jail.

Six game winning streak.

Dan, he's making the best of a bad situation. Everyone experiences jail differently.

I've never recognized or seen this Roy in my life before.

I've never seen Sam Reinhardt have this kind of production all star.

Roy, you need to stop using the Lord's name in vain. People are getting mad at me for doing it too much.

I'm sorry. I apologize.

And we have to the Lord and.

Savior Barry Keegan's name in vain.

I don't know what's happening with that movie and people. It's just. Adnan Verk is totally repressed. And Tony didn't like it either.

I don't like it. I'm not repressed, but I don't like just whatever. I mean, I didn't really care what? Jeremy, don't feel like. Saltburn wasn't made for you, Tony. That's all I'm saying. I saw it. I appreciated what they were going for. It just wasn't for me. I didn't like it. I'm agreeing with you.

We agreed.

Yeah, but there's an undertone there that I don't really like.

The raider agreed to agree.

I mean, you've told me to shut up very loudly, like, six times this, and I feel like I've been justified every time.

Billy, what's happening with Tony and Jerry?

I haven't a clue. Billy bullied Tony, so Tony bullies me, and so I'm finally firing back.

I have a theory. It revolves around creatine.

Oh, no, Tony, I believe what's happening.

I didn't say that. Anything. I'm not on trend. Like, it's creatine. It's a normal something that's actually in.

The body, by the way. Go ahead.

Okay, let's test you.

What are you alleging?

I'd like to know that.

I'm just saying mood swings or know.

I'm in the same mood all the time.

You know what?

I'm back on Tony's side.

Wow.

Look, there's a lot of tension in this room. And one of the tensions here that I just felt Stugatt because I believe what's happening around this movie. Okay. And Mike Ryan and Jeremy and Jessica and Samson, all allies on this, is they like some shocking things that maybe some art critics would tell you are gratuitously shocking. I have not yet seen the movie, so I don't know who's repressed here and who's not.

We'll see it together on Sunday.

Yes, but there are shocking things in this movie. But Tony also did not like the movie and also does not like the suggestion that he's repressed and also does not like that the artists in the room are looking down at the caveman. They're judging his movie taste.

An artist, please. Give me a break.

My doodles are pretty good.

Yeah, I have a number one album.

Tony feels to me like he does not like that the rest of you are being intellectually superior.

I have the hockey show.

Which one?

You have two?

Yeah.

You have two hockey shows.

That's right.

Roy, what did you not like about the movie?

It's not that I didn't like. It's that look, when you have somebody who just. I don't want to spoil things. If we already spoil the lot, just spoil it.

Who cares? No, don't.

Spoil it Sunday, right.

We'll watch together.

There's a wiener.

You are really minimizing.

It's that in this movie, the bad guy just does all the bad things and gets away with them without any sort of repercussion.

Whoa. He's got to live with those.

That was consequences.

Oh, yeah.

He's got to live with those consequences in a huge.

But you didn't tell you who the bad guy is. It could be the butler.

What happened? It could be anybody. But the point being that it's just like one thing after another after another happens, and I'm like, okay, so when is he going to get his. Oh, never. Oh, sick.

Okay.

Some people never get theirs. Tony, it's a harsh lesson that we all got to learn.

What's an exam? I'm getting mine, budy.

We're all going to learn it. A national championship game on Monday. And sometimes being rotten doesn't have consequences.

Watch party for that, too.

I'm going to just name Georgia the champion at the end.

I like it. Dan, congratulations.

Well, if Washington wins, can't they technically to one of the formulas claim a national title? That was part of their motivation in playing that game as they did.

They can.

I did. Losers.

My favorite thing that Kirby smart did in that Orange bowl was okay. It's about backups now. And you're going to say that we.

Won this game this way.

Here's a white running back you've never seen before.

I had this hot take in Gen CFB, which everyone's already listened to, but I don't really care if there's some blowouts in bowl season. It's okay. We had enough really good games to balance out the blowout games. I don't know if it's an indictment on the entire postseason system that that game was a humongous, sad, depressing blowout.

We've covered this this week. Viewers also don't care. Ratings up.

Oh, it doesn't matter. It's all just talk. It's just, hey, fix it. Fix it. What needs fixing? Two great games on Saturday, minor league football. It was amazing. They came down to the end. And at the end of the holidays, you might have been tired of football. Stugats was saying at 09:00 he was saying, too late, leave me alone. Football. Too late. A start. That's right.

This is what I'm nervous about for the national championship game. I'm nervous the game's not going to be that good because we are so blessed by these two tremendous college Football playoff games. And last year, same thing. Both of those games were really good. And then we got the most dudest, turdist, lamest, stupidest national championship game ever. And I'm scared. I'm scared that we can't have three good things.

You know what?

I want to be true. I can't be falling asleep come halftime. And I don't want marching bands. Leave that to the Rose bowl. Give me a traditional bowl game halftime.

Show like the band of the hour.

Throw the fray up there performing how to save a life. Do something.

The fray?

The fray.

Just to be clear, put it on.

The script, play break, even. Do something that's like light but poppy.

Marching bands. I want a marching band.

They suck.

Put it on the poll at Levitton one republic. Do marching bands suck?

They added all american rejects.

Something safe.

Jason Moraz and White.

It has to be white.

Jessica Turdist Turdist.

No, she's right.

She's right.

Turd ass Ferguson. That was the game last year.

So last year's game was Turd ass Ferguson. And you're fearing that this game is going to be Turd ass?

Welcome vertical horizons.

Absolutely. We were blessed on New Year's day.

By those games, but I don't think.

That the game can be bad if Washington's winning it by four touchdowns.

I don't think so either. I don't think we'll have what happened last year, but if it does two turdy games in a row, then we will have pitchforks in the streets. We'll have to change college football.

Coming up next, the hockey show.

What? Hello.

Welcome to the hockey show. It's a new year. It's a new us.

Not really same us.

Same us. My name is Roy Bellamy. David Druka, the Hockey news. We are wearing hockey jerseys today because we have ourselves a top five list. Four of know, two from me and two from David. It's going to be the top five and the bottom five list of jerseys that we actually like over the span of our hockey fandom. So we'll get to that in a moment. But we're going to start off on Tuesday. The Panthers played the Arizona Coyotes and within that game, the Cousins get ran. He was boarded by again, by the way. Again he got ran by Jason Sucker who ended up getting suspended for three games. Let's discuss this play.

I just want to know is like Nick Cousins become a magnet for these kind of things. And it's funny the reaction over the last couple of days since it happened. There's so much hate and visceral for Nick Cousins out there. It's kind of shocking. There's this big perception that he's a dirty player. We've been watching him day in and day out. Have you noticed him as a dirty.

No. In fact, on the hit that led to that boarding penalty, one of the Coyotes ended up on his knee. It looked like he actually let up on the hit.

He definitely let up. He could have destroyed. Who was it? It was UsO Valamati. He could have destroyed him. The guy was on his knees a few inches from the boards and Cousins certainly let he hit him. And it looked like Valamati almost looked around like, did I just get hit? Did something just fly? It was like nothing. I feel like Jason Zucker saw that and he's like this guy again for whatever. There's this perception and if I'm wrong world, please come send me the footage. Send me the evidence. Send me the receipts of Nick Cousins as a dirty, dirty player that he seems to have this perception of.

I don't know. I think the Blue Jackets fans are going to end up coming into your mentions and say, hey, what happened?

Bring it on. Educate me, please.

All right, it's time for the list. Let's do this. All right, so we're going to start off with our top five list of our favorite hockey jerseys.

NHL jerseys, right.

NHL jerseys. Not international. Not Europe, not Russia.

No.

Men's league. None of that.

No, this is straight national Hockey League Jerseys. Not ahl either. All right. Not junior or anything like that. So I do have an outside looking in, so I'll get with that one. First, I'm going to go with the early 1990s Vancouver Canuck set.

Okay.

All right, so this is the one with the skate.

Yeah, the skate.

And this is the one that they went to the Stanley cup final in 1990.

Kirk McClain, Pavel bure, Trevor Linden. Good jersey.

Yeah, I think that was a good jersey. That's my outside looking in. You have an outside looking in?

I had a few outside looking ins, but if I'm going to have to narrow it down to one, I'm going to go with the original mighty Ducks jerseys.

Okay.

From the movies from the early 90s. Those with the goalie mask. Duck. Quack, quack. I love it. Quack, quack.

I love it.

Number five for me, the early 1990s Los Angeles Kings set.

Nice. The Gretzky.

The Gretzky eras. Yeah, that was nice. It was silver and black. Had the nice little crest that said kings on it. Had the crown. Yeah, it was nice looking set.

That's also on mine, but I'm going to take it off because it was on yours, and I'm going to replace it with the original Washington Capitals jerseys with the little stars on them from, like, the. Whatever reason they grew on me, I like them. I think they're very nostalgic.

Yes. I think that's very good as well. The current jerseys were remodeled in that image, so. Yeah, very good. Number four for me, the 1990s version of the Harford Whalers.

Okay. The whalers is just a win. It's a good one.

Yeah.

Number four for me is one that I think it might be on a lot of people's least favorite lists, but I just always loved it. And it's the mid ninety s New York Islanders fisherman jerseys. Exactly. I might be the only person that still likes these, but for whatever reason, just like I picture Eric Fisho, the flowing hair danocara. Yeah. Brian Barrard it's just, you know, that's.

A poor time in Islanders history.

Yes, it was.

So that's why it's probably looked on less than kindly.

The Stan Fitchler. And that the only ones that like this jersey.

Okay. Number three for me is last year's alternate Florida Panthers jersey.

Ooh.

All right, that was the one with the shoulder patch from the old jersey, and they put it on a sky blue template.

No, it was a nice one. I liked it.

Yeah, that was very good.

Number three for me is the. I think it's the original king's jersey. It's the purple one with the crown on it.

And the other one is yellow.

Yeah, the other one's yellow. It's very old, 80s type hockey. But I like that they had that epic comeback against the king, against the Oilers in the playoffs wearing those jerseys. So very cool.

All right, number two for me is the alternate avalanche jerseys that they modeled after the cruise Nordiques. Okay.

The first reverse Florida Lee on the front.

Yeah.

That was from a couple years ago.

And that's actually my number two, the original Quebec Nordiz home jersey. So, boom, we're both right there with that one.

All right. And my number one is the road Chicago Blackhawks jersey.

I had a feeling you were going to have it up there.

Yeah.

My number one is, I guess it shows my inexperience in hockey fandom, whatever you want to call it. But it's the Arizona Coyotes Kachina uniforms that they brought back this year that they had in the 90s with, like, Nikolai, hobby boon and all that. Those were awesome.

All right, coming up next, we have, from the NHL Network, we have Mike Kelly, who happens to be an analytics expert, and he educates us on numbers. All right, it's time for the ten minute misconduct. And in the penalty box we have Mike Kelly, who is a hockey analyst for the NHL Network. He's also an analytics expert. And what I am not is an analytics expert. So, Mike, I want you to explain to me, like a six year old, like is a Washington said in Philadelphia, like a six year old. Can you explain to me the advanced analytics here in the sport of hockey?

Sure. So long and short is I work for a company called Sport Logic. We work with most of the teams in the NHL, supplying them. We're third party data companies, supplying them with information. Right. A whole bunch of proprietary stuff that we track that goes beyond what fans would be used to seeing, like on NHL.com, goals and hits and all that kind of stuff. So really what it is is just information. Products, services that help them gain a better understanding of the game, help their staff look at the game in a more granular way, and ultimately try to make better and more informed decisions.

When did you see a change in the way the actual teams use stats, especially analytics here. Use stats in the performance of the players.

You know what? It's noticeable in different areas. Like in the last, I would say five to seven years, we've seen goal scoring go up a lot. Right? Save percentages have gone down. Offense has kind of taken over. Part of that is because teams over the last decade or so have really started to understand the value of shot quality. And you watch hockey, watch tape from let's go way back, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, 50 years ago, guys get over the blue line, they're bombing shots from everywhere. It was a little more chaotic. Today, you see teams hang on to the puck a lot more, really try to work for those high quality shots and break down opponents that way. A power play. Power play. Numbers have gone up. Same idea. So that's just one general way where analytics, I think, have helped teams understand how to be as productive offensively as you can. We simply have more information on the offensive side of the game than the defensive, but it creeps into the way teams play in a whole bunch of different ways. That's probably the most obvious one recently.

Mike, I wanted to ask you about a player that we see a lot of down here that's been talked about a lot this season, and that's Sam Reinhardt. Obviously, he's having a great year, contract year, scoring a ton of goals, but I don't feel like it's talked about enough how good he is beyond his goal scoring, what he does, not just in terms of playmaking and offensive numbers, but possessionally and defensively as well. So I was just wondering if you could kind of expand on a little Sam Reinhardt for us.

Yeah, it's a good point. He probably doesn't get talked enough about in general, even though he's scored so many goals. I agree. Just on that side of it, if you watch him play and you watch again where he gets to the front of the net, his hands around the front of the net are really good. Scores a lot. Rebounds in tight right on top of that crease area, always been a good part of his game. The rest of it, like you said, defensively, he's good. Winning battles on the walls, doing those kind of things, and you got complimentary guys like Barkov, who's just an animal everywhere that line has been one of the best in the league this season. So his all around game, you're right, probably deserves more credit. I just think even his offensive game deserves more credit because he's up there with some of the better players in the league.

Alexander Barkov you just mentioned is an animal everywhere, as you said verbatim. Explain to me defensively. I know you said that defensively, there's not a lot of advanced analytics to describe, defensively, what a hockey player should be. But can you describe how Alexander Barkoff is sure far and away the Selkie Trophy winner this year?

I'll go with it because we're on this podcast. You're wearing Florida Panthers jersey, right? So he's up there for sure. He's up there for sure. There's no more berger on to deal with. Yeah, there is still things we can look at defensively, right? And we're getting better as technology gets better as well in doing that. But Barkov wins a ton of puck battles. He's top three in the league this season in winning puck battles, you just watch the way that he uses his body, his frame to angle guys, and also just his strength to win those battles. Stick checks. So separating an opponent from the puck with your stick, just poking it away from them, really good blocking passes in addition to blocking shots is another thing that we measure. Getting your stick into lanes, breaking up plays that way, really good in all these areas. These are all kind of things that go into his overall game that help him just be the player that he is. So, yeah, I'm with you. I'd throw a love at him for the Selkie Trophy this season, no question.

So in terms of goal scoring this year, a guy who I feel like I see all the time is I just, in my opinion, he's kind of developed into perhaps arguably the best goal scorer in the league right now. I don't know if that's something that you would agree with, Mike, but just looking around the league, especially with Conor McDavid and him kind of having a little bit off year, but in terms of the hierarchy, I guess if he's not the best pure goal scorer in the league, Austin Matthews has got to be up there and maybe one of the best we've seen a really long time. No?

Yeah. No, I'd say flat out he's the best goal scorer in the league. I think in any given year a pasternack could challenge him. I think Obi's days of challenging that are probably behind him. But we're talking about a big age difference here. Matthews, for me right now, it's like you can throw one guy over the boards and there's two minutes left and you need a goal. I'm picking Matthews over everybody. He's got 30 goals in 35 games, which is wild. He scored 60 before. The thing that impresses me so much about him is just how versatile he is in the way that he does it. One of the things we track is not only where guys shoot pucks from, but the types of chances they get off the cycle. He's got more chances than anybody off the four check. He's got more chances than anybody off the rush. He's top ten. You can't take one thing away from this guy and say, okay, that's how we shut him down because he'll beat you four other ways. And his shot, like everybody focuses on because it's so good, man. He puts so much torque on that stick and shoot it so hard.

I'd say for sure, in my view, he's the best goal scorer today.

What about Conor Beddard? I mean, obviously the Chicago Blackhawks are in definite rebuilding mode and it seems pretty clear that he's going to end up with the call to trophy this year. So analytically speaking, can you explain Conor Bedard?

Yeah, for sure. And there's some similar elements there to Matthews, too, right? Like Bedard literally said he used to watch YouTube videos of Matthews and how he kind of hooks his hands in and shoots the puck tight to his body. We've seen him score like he's really been productive this season off the rush as well. And again, part of it is because Chicago, if it isn't Badard, who's it going to be carrying the puck in, right? Like, man, they had a couple of complimentary guys, a hall with the injury and Perry being gone, it's really unbedard to carry the load offensively. So the thing that's crazy about him is a lot of these key areas that we focus on in terms of are you going to generate offense sustainably, right? How much do you have the puck in the offensive zone? How often do you enter the zone with possession of the puck, create chances off the rush, beat guys one on one and open ice. He's top 20 in the league in a bunch of these areas for a rookie and you think about just 20 great players, right? Kucherob, McKinnon, McDavid. You go down the list.

He's hanging with a lot of these top guys. Part of it out of necessity, but you got to be able to do it, too. And it's crazy as an 18 year old kid that he's doing what he's doing.

They're going from one edge of the age spectrum to the other. A guy that you mentioned a few minutes ago and Alex Sovechkin. What's the deal with Ovi this year? I mean, I guess maybe you could argue father time has caught up with him, but really quickly from one year over the nets. But it's just kind of shocking to see such a regression from Alex Ovechkin after a career, excuse me, of just putting up basically 40 goals year after year.

Yeah, it's been a bit of a cliff for sure. He's starting to score a little more now, which is good. And he's been owed some goals, too, because even before this recent little surge, he shouldn't have been stuck on five goals for as much as he was. Two of them were empty netters. But that being said, there's not as much jump in his game. You think about peak Obechkin in his prime. He's flying around. He's on the four check. He's hitting guys. He's creating even off the rush, like powering his way to the net. You watch the way he enters the zone now. He pulls up a lot. There's just not as much jam in his game. And it comes with getting older. You can understand that for sure. Think about Washington's power play. They've been missing TJ Oshi for good chunks of the year. Nick Baxtrom's gone, so there's things around him that are contributing to it, too. His shot's still his shot. Like it's still to know very good. He's shooting it from the power play in that spot about as much. But there is something a little off just in terms of what we've kind of been used to seeing with them.

Over the past decade. Not only have we seen a drop in fighting, we also seen a drop in body checking. Analytically speaking, is the game flowing better with the drop in body checking?

You know, what I would say to that is that a lot of defenders today use their stick to defend, maybe more so than the body in the past. I think you get into a playoff series, finishing checks is really important because it wears guys down over time and it kind of sets a tone in the game as well. 82 game regular season. These guys can't go around doing that all the time. They're not going to have anything left for the next game. I do think that it's become a little, I don't know for my personal liking as a fan, a little too kind of not as physical, not as intense now. Yeah, you watch a lot of games now and you're like, where's the chippiness? Where's the animosity? It still exists at times, for sure. But the reality is if you go around chasing hits, you put yourself out of position. And again, teams have really valued puck possession and having the puck and getting it back and being as efficient as you can to get it back. And most of the time, that's not trying to lay a Guy out.

All right, let's get to this list here. We got the jerseys list. Mike has provided a list of his favorite hockey jerseys, know, since the time he's been watching hockey, even beyond that. So you got the top five list here, Mike. Let's go with number five.

Okay. I knew we were going to be talking about this. I didn't know I had to have a list in bad.

I told Mike that we were doing jerseys. I didn't tell him. That's my bad.

You might have told me that.

Yeah, well, you know, you got to do your homework.

I'm going to do it, Tom.

Okay.

I'm going to give you five off the top of my head. Okay. So number five, give me the Quebec Nordiques. I think they had a great look.

Great late on that.

Know that's good or bad. I got a noise for like, the avalanche kind of brought it back a little bit, and I think when a lot of teams bring something back, they tweak it a bit. It's not that good. I like what Colorado did, and I like old school. Nor deep. So it's number five.

All right, what's number four?

Number four. I'm going to go with a classic. Chicago Blackhawks. Great color. Boom. Chicago. Number four. Number three. I'm going to go with another classic. It might be the all time classic. It's the Montreal Canadiens. They haven't tweaked it much in a hundred plus years. Why would you. It's beautiful.

Thanks, Danny.

He's so quick. He's adapting so fast, like Mike knows to pause for the crazy sound. You're a true professional, Mike.

Number two.

Mike, number two. Let me check my list right here that I did not prepare. Let me create a list here with my. Oh, fed a tip pen.

Wow.

All right. Number two. Hartford whalers.

Oh, yes.

Give me what I didn't realize for so long. It's like the FedEx logo. Do you see the h in the w? Someone pointed that out. To me, like ten years ago, I'm like, the jersey just gets better over time.

You also see the wells tail in the logo as well.

It's got everything you want and more. Yes, that's number two.

And number one, I see a Canucks.

Jersey on the panel today, and I like that they've had a few different jerseys, but the best jersey ever, he's.

Got it with him.

The skate free. The skate. Canucks fans want to see it. This was my guy growing up.

We liked him down here, too.

Yeah, well, he had a couple of big years down there. Yes, he did. I love talking to Billy Lindsay over at the NHL Network and getting old stories about there, too. So that skate jersey, to me, I don't know. I grew up with it kind of. There's part of that, but how it's not their everyday jersey right now, I have no idea. The fans want it. It looks unbelievable. The white version of that jersey with the skate is awesome. I say bring it back full time.

But it needs to be in the 90s jersey. What they have now with the alternate is they mixed their current jerseys. At least the front is concerned on the back of the jersey with that 90s jersey. I think they just need to go full old school. Ninety s just like I think the Senators should do the same thing. They mix the old jerseys with the front in the back with the old school jersey. So if you're going to go old school, don't half acid go full bear.

I'm with you 100% agree. I say just go right back to it. It worked and it's beautiful. I don't think any fans anywhere in Vancouver would be upset with that.

Absolutely. Mike Kelly at the NHL Network. We appreciate you joining us.

Thanks, Mike.

Hey, thanks for having me, guys.