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There is so much that I didn't get to today. I wanted to get to the exodus in New York. More people have left New York, more than 100,000 according to the US Census Bureau, than any place else. They are flocking to Texas. They are flocking to Miami. And when Eric Adams was asked about it, the mayor of New York, he said some families have left for more outdoor space and animals. And he added in New York City, the animals are rats. And that he quickly added afterward, We're going to get rid of those. We have to laugh at FSU and we have to get to Jessica's top five. Fsu is now saying, its board of trustees is saying that they believe it would cost $572 million to leave the ACC right now. And they want to leave the ACC right now.

Yeah, they need to do something. Everybody was angry and the board of trustees called the meeting on probably the worst day on the calendar to have a.

Board of trustees meeting.

No one wants to work today. No one, am I right? No one wants.

To do this. I mean, you're really inconveniencing everybody if you're calling a meeting today or doing a show. But to have a board of trustees meeting and the working documents that you have are what you pulled from direct quote, the internet. They actually don't have a copy of the actual grant of rights deal. That is a hefty price. Everyone knows it's a hefty price. I guess the technicality that no one really ever expected is that ESBN has an out in 2027. The reason why that's never talked about is they would never take that out. That's why everyone talks about 2036 in this manner. They're going to challenge this legally. If you're another university inside the ACC, God bless you. Great. You spend the money and try to establish a legal precedent. If you find a way out of this, everybody benefits. They're the ones that want to spearhead this. No pun intended. Go for it. It's going to be tough. We know the type of deal that John Skipper made. It's pretty ironclad. A lot of people at a lot of prestigious universities have spent a lot of money consulting firms and whatnot trying to find ways out of this.

I don't know if there is, but I hope there is. I wish them luck.

Everyone loves The Year Endless, and Jessica has spent the entire year cultivating it down to five. This is the top five of the most most weirdest things to happen this year?

Most unbelievable things. I'm all around the topic.

I feel.

Bad for.

The ACC, but this is tremendous content.

Any OLI or we're going straight to the.

Top five? No OLI, just five.

Number five.

The Titan Submersible imploded.

That.

Was a.

Whole week. Are they alive?

No, they imploded.

Immediately. It was crazy.

People went to try to see the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean and they imploded.

That is number five.

It must be- With an Amazon joystick. -with an Amazon joystick.

Good list. Number four.

The end of the Miami Georgia Tech football game.

Fairly.

Edges out the Titan Submersible implotion.

Unbelievable. Almost as tragic.

Number three.

Donald Trump got arrested. He was mugged shot and everything. Which time? That was unbelievable.

Number two.

-wrongfully. -henrick Kissinger died.

Wrongfully.

I didn't think that would happen, to be honest. Number one, Dan. Dan Levitard said, Stof for.

Stof top.

That was this year? That can't be.

I forgot about that.

I played that for my wife. You know that, Dan, right?

I was like, Babe, do you remember the time that Dan said.

Stofir, Stoftop, Poo?

She's just like, What?

I'm like, Yeah, I've listened to it.

Pudding and stuffed became Poo. That's how that happened. I'm-i mean.

What other explanation do you have.

Chris, as you dismiss my explanation?

You're into a vibe, man.

Whoa, hey. Hey, hey.

Hey, Bear. Hey.

Where are you going? Yeah, it's just me. Your friendly neighborhood host, the Poblatory, finds out. Here to tell you that over on the Poblatory, finds out feed is not an ad, by the way. It's just me beaming into the Dan Levitar show feed with a special transmission like Zordon from Power Rangers. To tell you that yesterday on the show, we had Dominique Foxworth and Wyatt Sinec at the same time talking about white cornerbacks and black Spiderman, and how to compliment your friends. Today here, this is a taste of what's happening over there, just one segment and excerpt of a terrible mistake that I made because I let my producers convince me to let Perraquette Cortez tell me the meaning of Christmas. You know, Periquette, Minister of New Propaganda might be banned from Dan's show. Also the ban of my existence. Anyway, that's what's going to happen there. Then a special guest shows up, Charlotte. Charlotte, why shows up afterwards, but that's only exclusively on the Paubeuletary Finds Out feed. So much other stuff is like what we're going to do next week during Christmas week with some of our favorite episodes that I'm pretty sure you missed.

The time Maury Povich made me happier than any person has made me in 2023, I think. But for now, Merry Christmas. I usually know what's happening on my own show.

This is a holiday. Look at this. It's clear what's happening. What do you mean don't know what's happening?

If you are, in fact, not yet watching on YouTube or the Jack Nings Network.

You should know- Which you should be watching.

-that this studio looks like it has never looked before. It is full of holiday cheer.

It looks incredible.

By that, I mean-.

There's snow.

Behind you. There's snow behind me. I did consent to dressing festively.

I did as well, but only under the premise that I could wear a heat culture hoodie.

I want to point out my favorite decoration, which I'm just really noticing in full right now, is that on my microphone, there is an Elf of ambiguous ethnic origin. I think this is supposed to be me.

The calves are not nearly big enough.

Caves not big enough. Way more vitamin D this Elf has. But I've been told, Cortez, the reason that we're doing this is because apparently Christmas is coming up, and I have been nose to the podcast grindstone to the extent that people around this office are concerned that I don't understand the meaning of Christmas.

You don't.

And that you, apparently- That's.

What I'm here for.

-do.

Christmas is different to every person, though. That's what you need to understand. I'm going to give you what my version of Christmas is.

What I'm about to find out today is Ryan Cortez's guide to Christmas.

That's right.

What is your Christmas like?

My Christmas is entirely about reality television. That's all I care about. I don't want to see your stupid gingerbread houses and all this bullshit Santa Claus and Elves, and I don't care. I'll have the Miami Heat big screen, okay? Then four other screens potentially reality TV. That's what's going on. It's like Red Zone. Simultaneously. Yeah, potentially.

Just like minority report.

Yeah, like game footage. Just studying the tape, nose to the grindstone just like you. Which by the way, what is your background with reality TV? Have you seen Catfish? What have you seen?

I know virtually nothing about, I think the reality television that you adore. My wife, Liz, will watch The Real Housewives. That's her guilty pleasure. When she does that-.

What city does she watch?

What are the choices?

Why, you don't even know?

What a terrible house. It's like real housewives of-.

Like Sun Lake City, Potomac, Atlanta, Miami, Dallas, Dubai, I.

Can't tell if these are fake.

Not a single one of those is fake. What are you.

Talking about? I didn't realize that there was a global operation of housewives.

Well, look, the thing is we need to get to what I'm going to change for you because what you're watching on TV is stupid, frankly. It's not good, and I'm going to give you stuff to watch that is better.

You're going to give me.

The top five reality TV shows that you must watch over Christmas break instead of indulging in stupid Christmas. So you.

Have five.

The thing is, I do not like rules.

You don't say.

I'm not giving you a towel. I'll give you however many I want. We're going to start with an O-L-I, The Outside Looking In. These are shows that didn't make my cut of top five reality shows, but there's still good shows that you should check out.

On the outside looking in are these reality programs.

That's right. I'll give them to you quickly.

These better be holiday spirited.

Number one, Summer House and Winter House, okay? Same type of show. One's in the summer, one's in the winter. They pack a bunch of people into a house for two weeks. They get drunk, they hook up with each other, they fight, and they air it across 10 episodes. It's incredible. I'm a UK 9. Just trying to hang out with my wang out. Oh, my God.

I have a pain.

What is the difference between Summer House and Winter House?

I just told you, one summer, one is winter. That's it. One time they go in the pool, one time they go in a hot tub, and it's cold outside.

The only difference is that sometimes it's a hot tub.

And sometimes it's a pool. They're both excellent. I recommend Summer House and Winter House. Number two, Love is Blind. People may have heard of Love is Blind. Wow, that didn't make your top five.

I hear you talk about Love is Blind- That's right. -to show I've never seen all of the time.

Which speaks to how much this ODI is still important. Love is Blind is a very interesting show. It's been on Netflix. The premise there, Love is Blind. You can't see the person that you're talking to. And you're supposed to see, do you really love the person? If you take away physical attraction, that's the experiment.

I love buying clothes for girls.

What's your size?

What the fuck?

Would you.

Like working out?

Yeah. Not a huge fan. Really? Yeah.

I get along best with individuals that do work out.

How old are you? Thirty-three. I prefer dating younger. How old are you? I'm 32.

There's a very bizarre sincerity to how much you are into whether these people have true feelings for each other. Oh, I don't give a fuck if.

They like each other. I'm interested in- Yeah, what are you in for? -watching everything go haywire, which it.

Always does. You're not here for the love.

No, that's why I don't watch Golden Bachelor. That's just too soft for me. I want chaos. That's what I'm looking for. I want fights. I want sadness and drama. That's what I'm looking for because I'm a sicko.

I agree with that part.

Okay, Selling Sunset is number three on the O-L-I. How many? O-l-i's are there? As many as I feel like. Selling Sunset is about these two short Kings. Shout out to the short Kings. And they're dating these giant women, and they're running all of L. A. Real estate. And the women are incredible. They are the realtors, and they're selling all the houses.

Just to be clear- It's incredible, Sean. -your lead story for.

Selling Sunset? Is that they're short-guys, date, tall- Short Kings?

Is that Short Guys date tall women?

Short Kings? We're Short Kings for Life. So, Kachelle, good luck at the Oppenheim group. Thank you. Cheers. Thank you. I don't want to say it, but.

You're going to need it.

Okay.

Dang, girl. The show is excellent. You get to see these.

Incredible looking houses. I can view myself getting dumber.

No, dude, you.

Get to.

See just 70 million dollar houses. We haven't even made the top five for this game. All right, last on the OLA list, Indian matchmaking. Indian matchmaking? Indian matchmaking goes hard, and they'll go to this oracle, this woman, and what she does is she reads faces. That's what she does. She'll look at your face and be like, Nah, he's a liar. He's a match for you. She just looks at faces. She never gets anything right. At the end of the season, they're like, She went over four. Season two, she went over five. Matchmaking has become a tough job.

But I'm trying.

My best.

So far, I am reading your face.

You love all of it. You love all of it.

And you love it. And I am prophesizing that you are a moron.

I have spent a lot of time watching morons. I am not a moron. Number five on my list is Love After Lockup.

Love After Lockup.

Which they also have a spinoff called, Life After Lockup. Now, the premise there is they're dating people in prison. The show is Person X is in jail, and they're talking to a pin pal outside of jail, and eventually they leave jail and go date this person. They're not the same person that they think they might want to steal money from this person or whatever. The show is incredible. You don't even look at what I do here in the house with the kids and everything else as even anything. But you're doing what you're supposed to do, no? What I'm supposed to do? Then I'm doing what I'm supposed to do. No, no. So when I take $12,000 out.

Of an account.

You should just be like, Well, damn, he's doing what he's supposed to do. That's all I'm saying. You're in a world population one by yourself. Sometimes they go back to jail. Sometimes they go on the run. The show is like R-rated. It's so good.

So just to be clear again, I'm going to be waking up on Christmas morning and Violet, my three-year-old, is going to be like, Da-da, Christmas. And I'm going to say, Come sit next to me on the We're watching Love After Lockup.

Number four, The Real Housewives entire series.

Wait, the entire series meaning all of the cities?

Watch it all. But I would start with Salt Lake City and Potomac. That's where I would start, okay? Yeah. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City is exceptional because one of the cast members, spoiler alert, goes to jail for defrauding the elderly. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City star Jen Shaw has been sentenced to six and a half.

Years.

Behind bars. The reality TV.

Star pleaded.

Guilty last year.

In.

Connection to a telemarketing scheme that.

Allegedly scanned elderly people out of thousands of dollars.

Sometimes people need to get defraud it. Also, there is a character that was pronounced a cheater. Just because of the shape of his head, square shape, you could tell. You're not a cheater, I could tell the shape of your head.

I'm intrigued by this theory. Square heads.

Yeah, you know those people where it's just square, square head, like they look assholes?

I mean, just the shape of his head.

You just tell you it was up to no good. You know some man that just have this shape that you just can tell? Ball heads, cheats a lot. Wait, you have the fruit. The ball.

Head is like, Wait, don't.

You think you know you cheat. Real Housewives is great. Andy Cohen is the man. You're welcome for the wreck.

Okay.

Number three, Below Dech, the entire franchise.

Below Dech is about what?

A ship. A picture of a giant ship, okay? Below deck- What was that voice? Don't worry.

About it. Is that a nautical seafarer.

Voice that you just tried? Captain, dock the ship. What was that? Don't worry.

About it. That Russell Crowe and Master and Commander?

There's Below deck, there's Below deck, Mediterranean. There's Below deck, Sailing Knot. There's Below deck adventure.

Below deck, Sailing Knot?

Sailing Yacht.

Oh.

Sailing Yacht. That's the best one. Because? Well, first of all, watching the boat as it is sailing is actually incredible because it's dangerous.

I'm not tracking.

Anyway, I was listening to Andy Cohen's radio show the other day. He had on Zach Braff. Zach was talking about how his favorite show on TV.

Is below deck. How do you have time to do any of this? You helped make this show, and you're listening to Andy Cohen's podcast about a show that you can.

Also watch. Radio Andy. Yeah, it's phenomenal.

Because you like the boat being shaky?

First of all, there's a whole crew of people. There's an interior, there's an exterior. People interior-.

I'm looking upstairs, downstairs. Correct.

You see at work a dynamic that goes on.

Is it better to be.

Exterior or interior? It depends what stuff you like to do. Would you rather clean beds and clean dishes and serve tables? Or would you rather throw lines and do physical work and clean the boat? That's the difference. That's your interior, exterior.

I don't like swabbing a deck.

You see people really working. You see tips from the guests that they have. You see the guests getting drunk and falling down. The show is phenomenal. Number two, 90-Day Fiancé.

We worked on a half dozen shows together: High Noon- Highly questionable. Highly questionable. Levitard show. Debatable. -debatable, this show. Anyway, the point is I've been in many workplaces with you and 90-Day fiancé. Comes up a lot, right? If I were to generate a word cloud of the things that you and I have talked about against my will. Wow. Obviously, Miami Heat, 1 million point font, 999,000 point font is the shit.

90-day fiancé.

Yeah, the premise.

Of the-of it. Like a lot of these shows, the premise is in the title. If you're a smart person, you get it, okay? What it is? Somebody from another country and you from America want to marry. How do you make that happen? With a loophole in the legal system where you get married in 90 days or less and we film it and put it on television.

Hold on. I'm going to guess that things go.

Off the rails. There's a Korean dude who came to America and he started calling his girlfriend, Piggy, and he said that all Americans are fat. You are lazy, so you always get your fast-food for lunch. No wonder you have Piggy. Are you serious? Well, it is. I'm just saying the truth. You always have fast food for lunch. And the family from I/O had to sit them down and be like, You can't say piggy. There's a woman who is from the Philippines, Rose. Oh, no. She's a nice woman. She decides to date a man named Ed, who also goes by Big Ed. Big Ed washes his hair into Mayonaise.

Don't tell me this is the Mayonaise guy.

Yeah, the Mayo and the hair guy.

This is the rare short king you do.

Not ignore. No, he's not a short king. He's just short. Now, the Mayo is something that he thinks makes his hair better, more luscious. He does have good hair, give him that.

All right, we're going to put this on YouTube of the Draftings Network. I don't know how to say this. He's built like a Russian nesting doll.

In a few days, I'm getting ready to get on a plane and.

Go.

Meet Rose.

The love of my life, for the very first time.

Since I.

Met Rose.

I.

Want to.

Look young.

For her.

So I have been.

Dyeing my hair.

And it irritates my scalp. So I found out that mayonnaise makes.

It smoother and less dry.

Big Ed.

Is as if a cartoon character who got bopped on the head and had his head pushed down into his body, never got his head out of his body again. He has zero neck.

There's also another couple, Paul and Karene. Karene is from Brazil. Paul put a condom on because he did not want fish to swim up his peep in Brazil.

He was swimming.

Yes, he was going to jump in this river and he was afraid of fish swimming up his peep. He put on a condom. Please stop saying that. Andsleepy.

And that clip- As the son of urologist.

That clip- Please stop saying peep. -has three million views. What clip? The clip of him putting on a condom to go jump in the river. This is a clip? It's a clip.

We cannot do not show this. Do not call for this clip.

I'm going to put this on first. I taste that fish. It's too wider. And I have this little penis, I.

Guess, like a sheath.

Protection bag. Now I'll put a condom on, have that to hold that on. Definitely no one.

Nothing's winning at my penis.

I cannot believe we just showed that clip. The clip was great.

This is a holiday episode? Allegedly. Number one, Vanderpump Rules.

Yeah. Let's go. I've never heard Vanderpump rules pronounced like a call to arms.

Shout out to DJ James Kennedy. Shout out to Ariana. It's a great show. What a great show. What a great show. It's in season 11. Okay, season 11 kicks off January 30th. You have time to catch up.

So January.

30th- Season 11.

-is the beginning of season 11. That's right. And if you were to summarize the previous 10 seasons- Oh, my God. The best reality to me. -for someone who has never seen but has heard certainly of Lisa Vanderpump, who again seems like an auto-generated name, you would say that I have missed what?

The premise is it's a bunch of young people that work at a restaurant. Immediately, you find out in season two and three and four and so forth. It's not what the show is about. The show is just about these people fighting and having sex with each other and cheating on each other and punching each other and getting nose jobs. There's a giant cheating scandal in this show.

I've made it. I've almost made it, I should say, to the end. I've almost made it to 2024 without knowing what the scandival? Scandival? Of course, scandival is.

Do you get it? Tom Sandival?

Scandil? I don't actually get any of it. What should I know?

About scandival? Yeah. It's the most famous cheating scandal of all time.

Of all time?

Of all.

Time, bro. Houston Astros.

Black Sox. It doesn't hold a candle to this. Tom Sandoval is dead to me, and he's dead to America. Tom Sandival cheated on his longtime girlfriend. They were not married, but despicable acts because he did it with a friend, did it for months long while he was on camera. The crazy thing is that you get to see it play out in Season 10. You get to see it all happen in real time.

We became really.

Good friends. I was seeking something that I.

Wasn't.

Getting here.

That's selfish.

It's really selfish. Selfish is the nicest word you could use. It's horrible. Me and Raquelle.

Became really good friends. I don't give a fuck about fucking Raquelle.

Your friendship is fucking bullshit. No, it's not. Yes, it is. No, it's fucking not. It's bullshit.

It's disgusting. You know everything.

It's disgusting.

Hey.

Everybody. You are disgusting. This person knows everything.

Your friendship with.

Raquelle is disgusting. You can't tell anybody. You can't.

Tell anybody.

You cannot tell... Well, guess what?

It's real because she treats me with fucking respect. Something I haven't gotten from you in a long time. How much time would you say you spent watching?

As soon as we're done here, I'm going to go watch some more reality TV. I got Potomac and Real Houses of Miami on the mind.

You're telling me that the true meaning of Christmas is that a dude without a neck who puts Mayonaise in his hair, who got into a legal relationship with a woman from the Philippines.

Of course, it's legal, 90 days.

The star in the north that I should be following towards the manger of Christmas cheer.

Instead, Violet, Irmos, you want to follow some fake old guy with a beard and pull out some stupid tree and drive it to fucking Rockefeller Center and pray to and shit. That's more important to you than real housewives and love after lockup? Come on, man. Prison love? Come on. The fuck was that? That was not a knock.

The sound that I am hearing right now.

Is the producers telling us to stop talking about this?

Well, it's also the sound of someone knocking on the door.

Well, someone's trying to barge in here and take over this.

I cannot imagine how we could possibly improve on what it is that I've been finding.

Out so far. Let's find out who it is.

Hello.

Everybody. Welcome to The Hockey Show. My name is a Roy Bellamy. That is David Dworak over here. This guy right here, right here to my left. He works for the Hockey News. Now I turn to my left to this camera. How are you doing? The Florida Panthers coming off of a five-game road trip. They went out west. They started in Columbus, and then they won that game, by the way. That was the whole kerfuffle between Good Branson and Cousins, obviously. We talked about that one last week. Then they went to Seattle. They lost that one. Went to Vancouver. They lost that one. They did. Went to Edmonton. They won and lost in Calgary. Now they are back home. We are recording this on Thursday, and they are playing the St. Louis Blues on Thursday, so we're not going to get to that game. But let's focus on this road trip. They won two out of five. They won two and three. No overtime games. Two, three, and a no. They got four points out of 10. And Paul Marie said that this was going to be the most important road trip of the season. He wasn't lying.

They could have came out dominant. A big momentum shift. Not even a big momentum shift. Some major momentum for the Panthers could have came out of this road trip. Unfortunately, it looks like they're just keeping pace now.

Bit of a mixed bag on the trip, too, because you had that great win in Columbus, where the kerfuffle, great word drop, by the way. Thank you.

Spar to tears, by the way.

Well, then they went to Seattle, where they played a pretty solid game. It didn't go their way. Seattle got some lucky bounces. Seattle got outshot like two to one by Florida, and Florida ended up losing. They had Joey Decord great, gold ending effort for Seattle. Then they went to Vancouver on Luango Night and got curbsomped a little bit by the Knucks. They were one of the worst games of the season. They bounced back as you'd expect them to with a solid night in Edmonton. I'm going to look at my camera, too. Which that was a really good game because the Oilers had been playing well of late. They're trying to turn their season around. So you had that going for you. And then they wrapped it up in Calgary. A very mixed bag game again in Calgary because there were times where Florida didn't look great. There were times where Florida absolutely outskated Calgary. And so now they're coming home where they've been a good home team. They've got the games for the holiday break. They got the Blues on Thursday night as we record this, and then they got the rematch with the Vegas told the nights on Saturday, which should be fun.

Well, it seems that just like last year, the Panthers have done something that... They haven't done something, and that's lose three games in a row. It's been back-to-back losses, yes, but they have found a way to get back and win the next game. How do you think that's going about?

I think it's great. I think after last season, when they didn't win or lose any consecutive games, it was just very up and down, up and down, up and down the entire year. Now this year, you've got a much more consistent team. They'll drop two games in a row as we've seen, but the way that they snap back into form in Edmonton is something I think we can expect year on. I think this is the team where you're going to see more winning streets than losing streaks just based on how deep and consistent they've been.

They are going through injuries right now. Anton Lundell is not in the lineup. He won't be playing against St. Louis. How is the lineup looking?

This is why the Panthers have this deep forward group that you can afford to lose a guy like Anton Lundell or Joan Agadevich as there's been a flu bug that's going through the Panthers locker room. But fortunately, they've got that you can, whether it's calling up guys like Will Lockwood, who's up from the HL right now, or filling in with Kevin Stenlin, Steven Lorens, these great depth players that Florida added in the offseason. This is where they flex those depth muscles, but this is the expectation of a hockey season. You're going to go through injuries and illnesses.

All right, that's the Panthers update there. Now let's go across the League. The Ottawa senators have fired the head coach. They did that last week, actually. Dj Smith is out of a job. They brought back an old friend, though, former Panthers coach as well, Jack Montan. They also, it's a hometown move, made Daniel Offerson an assistant coach. Where are.

They going to move? Also that Jack Capuano, another former NHL coach with playoff experience as an assistant on that roster. But yeah, you say they brought in an old coach, Jack Martin, 71 years old. He's no spring chicken anymore. No. This was a I guess a He's no summer chicken either. This was surprising just because the Ottawa players loved DJ Smith. I almost said Matthew Kachuk, braided Kachuk, Tim Stucil have gone to bat for him saying that they were surprised that they loved him. But look, Ottawa is two years in a row now that they've struggled where they've supposed to be a playoff team. So it's time to shit or get off the pot, right?

Yeah, that's so disappointing. I really expected Ottawa to be on an upswing this season, and that is the complete opposite of what has happened. Just the complete opposite. It's really shocking to me.

Still waiting for this Atlantic Division resurgence of teams like Ottawa, and Buffalo, and Detroit who are going to talk about in a second. They were all expected to make this big step forward. Still, once again, we're looking at a very top, heavy Atlantic Division.

Speaking of Detroit, Patrick Cain, since he's entered the Red Rings lineup, but the team is one, six, and one. What is going on in Detroit?

I think Patrick Cain wasn't the savior. When we looked at Patrick Cain as somebody that the Panthers, for example, could add, this was a complementary guy. We know what he's done in the past, but he's not the player he once was. We saw that towards the end of his tenure in Chicago, and you can blame the hip injury all you want. But this is a guy who's in his late 30s now. He's had his career success and expecting him to show up in Detroit and just be this amazing savior like this player that he was in Chicago 10 years ago is just unreasonable. Detroit's struggling to put the buck in the net. They're to keep the buck out of the net. And for Patrick Cain's sake, what does he have? Six points, two goals on 26 shots, minus five in eight games. That's middle six, fine, whatever, but it's not the guy who's in a savior season and savior team. And that, I think, was the expectation with Cain. It might still turn around, but I'm not expecting it to.

He scored two goals. Two goals. He's almost caught up with Alexander-Ovestre at five this season. What's going on with Alex?

I don't know what's going on with Alex. I mean, age catching up with Alex, maybe, because it's been like, how has he been able to be this 40 goal score year in and year out? Now all of a sudden, what is he? 38 years old. He turned 38 a couple of months ago.

Oh, that gray hair.

But he had gray hair when he was winning the Stanley Cup and drinking Bud Light out of the fountains with the Stanley Cup or whatever he was doing. But yeah, we were talking about Ovestion. He was going to catch Wayne Gretsky's goal scoring record of 894. He's up to 8.27, but he's also up to 38 years old and he's barely scoring with five goals through 29 games. That's so un-Ovy-like.

Yeah, the pace on that on eventually... I don't think I can actually say eventually, no. The pace on him catching Wayne Gresge has gotten a lot more difficult now.

Yeah, well, it depends. Is he going to keep scoring five goals in 30 games? Because if so, he's going to have to play until he's Yara, Mary Yara's age.

Speaking to which, he just played his first game.

Yara, Mary Yara. Again, his first game of the season, again. This is like his 30th pro hockey season, whatever it is. The guy's 51 years old. We love him here in South Florida. I think anywhere that he touched in his career, whether it's Pittsburgh or Washington, or New York, or anywhere that he played, Philadelphia, Boston.

Well, where is he playing now?

He's playing for Kladno, the team in the Czech extra leader that he owns, his hometown team. He had an assist. He played in there, I think it was their season over yesterday. He had an assist, that left handed shot still out there. He played almost 14 minutes. I mean, this guy is still doing it. They need to let him into the Hall of Fame while he's still playing. They need to break precedent. I mean, the guy's in his 50s already. Just do it.

All right. This week I was in the Turkey... The Turkey cook-off between myself and Greg Cody. We're about to toss the turkey.

I was very jealous that I wasn't here for that. I love food. I love your cooking. I was with you that you were disrespected, that your cooking was not given its due right. It was good to see that the voting went your way, but I was not happy that I wasn't here for it.

Well, luckily, we haven't tossed the turkey yet because we have a sample here for you, and we're going to close out this first segment with you trying out this turkey. Now, what do you think here?

I think it smells really flavorful. That was what we were saying before. It was like, that's the flavor that I'm looking for. I'm looking for some good, seasoned turkey. So I got it right here. I'll show it to the camera. This is all that was left. Two days later, two days after the turkough. I was lucky to get it.

They really picked at the turkey, and now he's just taking a chew now.

That's good flavor.

Yeah.

That's what I'm talking about. Two days later, and it's still got some juice to it.

The unfortunate thing is it has to go. We can't keep a turkey for more.

Than a week. No, but I feel bad for my Aunt Mitzy now because now her turkey is going to be compared to this. Oh, yeah. And this has got some flavor. Roy, I'm not surprised, but I'm grateful to be tasting it. But yeah, this is not surprising at all. This is Roy Bellamy cooking 101. But yeah, this is delicious.

I'll give you the recipes once we get out of here.

This is a great way to wrap up the first year.

Of our show. That's right, Dave. Coming up next, we got Tim Man, misconduct with former NHL referee Tim Piel. And he also has a podcast right now with Jeremy Ronik, the Snipes and Stripes podcast. That's coming up next. All right, time for the Tim Man misconduct. We have a guy who has doled out plenty of misconduct over his long career. We have former official Tim Peel. Tim Peel is a co-host of the Snipes and Stripes podcast with Jeremy Ronik. That is an interesting, I would say unlikely duo to get together and start a podcast. How did you guys get together?

Yeah, thanks for having me on Roy and David. J. R, as you know, he's been a very colorful personality throughout his career, and he hasn't been one to shy away from controversy such as myself. I've certainly been embroidered in a bunch of it over my career. And I always had a tremendous amount of respect for J. R. When he played. He's one of the best US-born hockey players. He's in the US Hockey Hall of Fame. I think he has the numbers to be in the big Hockey Hall of Fame in Toronto. But yeah, we became friends, became more friends after I retired and played some golf together and hung out. And he's just a great guy. And we're having a lot of fun.

I want to get into the official in aspect of the game right now. And there is an article that just came out today from the athletic. Kevin Kurt says that there's been a decrease in body checking. A lot of players seem to either be scared of being hit and they are unable to defend themselves or it could be de-officiating. I have a chart right here. You can put it on the screen for us, boys. There's a chart that shows over the last 15 years that there has been a sharp increase in body checking between 2007 and 2015. But since 2015, there has been a sharp decline in body checking. Tim, what do you think is attributing to that?

Yeah, Roy, that's a great point that you brought up. And I've got a couple of different theories on it. And a J. R. And I have actually talked about a lot on the show. And a good friend of mine, Kelly Chase, he was an enforcer in the NHL for the Blues and a couple of other teams. And I was texting with him the other day because I was at the Blues, Black Hawk's team in Chicago. And I said, I think there's been four body checks thrown tonight, and this is a rivalry. Chicago, St. Louis, this is a rivalry. We used to have bench, clear and brawls. I'm not saying we need to go back to that. We've evolved as a society. But the point is that in this game, we had four checks, and I think they were all thrown by the same guy, Braden Chen, the captain of the Blue Suits, he leads by example. I love our game. I love our game. I love the speed of the game. We have so many young stars in the game, but our game is starting to turn into a skills competition like you would see in an all-star game.

And that article and that graphic that you showed me is bang on. There is not a lot of physical. It's not the affiliating. We would love... I've only been retired for two years and there were games. I'm like, my son could referee this game because there's nothing going on here tonight. There's no intensity. And I get it. It's a tough sport to do that, to maintain that over an 82 game schedule. It's so difficult for these guys. It's hard on their bodies. But we've got away from the physicality and we can't take that out of the game because that physicality creates emotion, and emotion is good for our game.

Now Tim, you have an interesting perspective being an official of the League and how it's been perceived over the years. Is there an era from an offitiating standpoint that you think this was the best time of the League? This is when it was officially the best. This is when it was called the best. The game flowed the best. I don't know if I'm putting you on the spot, but is there a time that you thought that maybe was the best for offitiating?

Yeah, no, for sure. I asked Marty Berder this the other day. Marty is a Hall of Fame goaltender and Vice President with the New Jersey Devils, and he's got so many young superstars on his team. And I said, I think what's happening now is, for example, my son, Bronson is 11, lives here in St. Louis. We live in St. Louis. He's on the ice two or three times a week in the morning at 06:00 a. M. Taking private lessons on top of his practices. And unfortunately, you need to do that to keep up to the Joneses. And if you don't, you fall back and you're not able to make these triple A teams and so on. And so there's been so much emphasis put on skills that we've got to wait. Roy was asking me about the physicality. And I think the best era of that where you combine the skill and the physicality was in the late 90s, early 2000s with the Jeremy Ronix, the Keith Kachucks, those guys like Eric Lindros. In Philadelphia, we had the Legion of doom, Eric Lindros, John Lecler, and Michael Renberg. These guys were all 6'4, but they were also skilled, and they could check you up to the third row of the seats.

And that was a great era of, like I said earlier, combining physicality with the skill of the game. We've got away from that, and I don't know how we get it back.

Clearly, there's a difference in offitiating between the regular season and the playoffs. What would you say to a person that says that, offitiating, especially in the playoffs, is all about managing the game flow?

Well, I know where you're coming from, Roy, but it's a bit of a misnomer on the penalties, the amount of penalties being called. I said this last spring on a show and I had the stats and who asked me? It was Paul, this and that.

Oh, of course.

It was. Yeah, of course it was. And I said to him, I said, Actually, biz, you're wrong. I said, Here's the stats. First round of the playoffs, there's actually more penalties called in the first round than there is in the regular season. What happens is, the first round, to me, is the best hockey to watch because you've got 16 teams, the bottom 6-8 teams that made it in the playoffs, they still think that they have a chance. You have guys in the first round of the playoffs that didn't throw a body check all year that are now checking in the first round of the playoffs. What happens is we go from 16 teams to eight teams. A little less penalties are called in the second round because we don't have that... Teams that finished 14, 15, 16, that say, you know what? The only way that we're going to be able to beat the year, for example, Columbus beat the Tampa Bay Lightning, huge upset, beat them four straight. Portarello was the coach, and they beat them by pure physicality. And so what happens in the second round and the third round? You have less penalties called because it's now the game...

It's hard to explain, but it's now it's opened up more and guys know we can't take penalties. For example, the Islanders were playing in Tampa a couple of years ago. I guarantee a Barry Trots went in the dressing room for the New York Islanders and said, we cannot take a penalty tonight because the Tampa base power play will just destroy us. And then what happens when you get to the Stanley Cup finals? The referees are instructed to call the same standard, but you have less penalties again because guys know they cannot take a penalty because it may cost them a game and it may cost them a death series.

Tim, the other day I was listening back to one of your shows when you were talking about a couple of recent suspensions with David Prawn being suspended six games for the cross-check in Artem Zoub with the senators, and then Eric Branson suspension that we're a little bit familiar with from what happened with him and nick Cousins last week.

Right.

Just wanted to ask you to follow up on that just because it seems like the consensus would be that you want the lead to come down in these things. But at the same time, that might not be... It's very case-by-case, right?

Yeah. No, it is, David. And we'll touch on the Paran one first. David, I know him very well. He's a great young, he's a great player. I'm not young anymore, but I refer him when he broke into the league. And he's played 1,100 games in the National Hockey League and he's never been suspended once. So he's not that type of player that takes liberties with his opponents. He sees his captain, Dylan Lark and Lane. I think he was unconscious on the ice. And yes, was that a mistake? Yes, it was. But you have to... I think there's emotion in the game. The emotion obviously took over for him. And I felt like six games. So we hit Artom Zub, Z-U-B, defenseman for Ottawa. Zub came out and played the next shift. He was not hurt. Yeah, it probably stung him at the time, but he came out and played the next shift. So he wasn't that hurt. And for him to get six games, I thought it was too much. I could have lived with three. I think everybody could have lived with. But I thought six was too much. And with Gebranson, and this may not be popular with you because Cousins plays for Florida.

But he took a liberty with Gebranson from behind. I am shocked that the Cousins didn't get suspended for that hit. And what was more shocking was the referees on the ice called a five-minute major for checking from behind. And I was watching the game and like, that's a great call. Gebranson's hurt. And so now with the NHL, whenever you call a major penalty or a match penalty, a five-minute penalty, it's now reviewed with the situation room in Toronto. So the referees got on the headset, talked to the situation room. They decided that it was a two-minute minor. And so what happens later on, Brandon wants to get his piece of flesh and he goes at Cousins and I don't have a problem at all with what he did. But if they had stuck with the five in a game, Cousins would have been out of the game. Branson doesn't have an opportunity to get him in that game. Maybe he gets them later on in the season. Maybe it's not forgotten, but he doesn't do anything later on in the year. But what happens is he doesn't get kicked out of the game. So he says, I'm going to take matters into my own hands and he gets a one game suspension for what he did.

Have you noticed an uptick on boarding penalties?

Yeah. You know what? You're absolutely right, Roy. And there was one the other night of Vander Cain hit, I think it was Du Haam, Du Haen from Minnesota. And everybody, the Minnesota fans were up and they were all up and arms that there wasn't a penalty on this play. But the problem is, I didn't think it was a penalty. And the problem is these defensemen, and it's at all levels of hockey now. It's not just in the NHL, it's at all levels. They don't protect themselves when they're going back to play the pock. And every defenseman, back in the day, the Hatcher brothers and Pronger and Al McGinnis, they're going back to the poc. They're looking over their shoulder and they've got their stick up in case they get hit from behind so that they can brace themselves against the glass. There has been an uptick, but I don't see it being an epidemic and a problem, but the players have to also be able to protect themselves and learn how to take a hit.

Tim, before we let you know, I did Roy mentioned this earlier. I got to ask you just from when you're refereeing days, I was going to say your playing days, from your reffing days, you mentioned Marty Broadour earlier, obviously, excuse me, a lot of great goaltenders across your path. But do you have any cool interaction stories with the goalies? I know from when I play, I do play goal, but I always have fun with the refs. I'm pretty loose on the ice. But I was just curious, is there anything that pops out of your head from any cool goalie interactions in your career?

Well, that's funny you brought that up, David, because it's actually a great story. He's in the Hall of Fame now, and he played... You know him very well when I mentioned his name, he played in South Florida for a long time, Roberto Longo. Oh, yeah. And it was 2018, the 1819 season and the the Blues won the cup from going in January from last place to the ultimate prize that went in the Stanley Cup. And it was December 19th. We're in St. Louis. I've got a home game, and Bartuzzo shoots the buck in from the red line, and I'm off in the corner, and I see it coming. It's waist high. I can't jump. I can't duck. So I just let it hit me, and it hits me in my hip. And it goes all the ways across the goal line and beats to the long on the short side. And I fall back. I hit my head on the boards and I hear the horn go off when the St. Louis Blue score, the horn goes off. But I don't see the buck going because I'm trying to pick myself back up. And so the linesman comes over and he goes, Are you okay?

And I go, Did that buck just go in the net? And he goes, And I won't tell you what I said to him, but I'm.

Like- Is that your first career, Cis?

It was my first goal.

That's a goal, right?

Yeah, that's a goal. It's a goal. So anyway, it gets taken off the board because you can't score off an official and so on. I go in the dressing room to get out of my thoughts for a few minutes. They want to put me through concussion protocol. So when I come back on the ice and lose in the crease and he goes, Timmy, are you okay? I said, yeah, Roberto, I am. But I said, you know what? For the rest of my life, I'm going to say I scored on Roberto long ago. So the second part of the story, and I'll make it quick for you, the best part was two nights later, I'm refereeing Florida in Chicago. And at the time, James Rymer was Lamongos backup, and he was getting the start in Chicago that night. So we're skating around warm up, and Lamongos sees me and makes a beeline right over to me. And he goes, Peelsey. He goes, They won't even... He goes, Rymer is starting tonight. He says, They won't even start me when you're rough in our games.

Because we're afraid you're going to score on me. And I laughed. I got the pocket back here on my office with the half-life officials. So yeah, it was great. Oh, my God. Yeah, that's one of my all-time favorite goalie stories.

As soon as you started telling the story, I immediately knew what... What are you talking about? I said, Oh, my God, that's Tim.

Oh, no. Oh, no. We're going to end it on this one. 1999, the Stanley Cup final game six, Sabers and Stars, Brent Hill. Was it a goal? Yes or no?

Oh, God. Technically, it wasn't. Thank you. Roy, that was the stupidest rule they ever brought in. The toe in the crease, it was assinine. They quickly got rid of it because we're trying to promote an increased goal scoring in the NHL, and here we are taking a goal away because the guy's big toe was in the crease. So technically it shouldn't have been, but I'm a big Brett Hall fan. I was happy for Holly.

Okay. Tim Piel, Snipes and Stripes with Jeremy Ronig. That is a very good podcast. You guys should listen to that after you listen to ours and everybody on the Dan Lover to our show. Thank you, Tim, for joining us.

Thank you so much, Tim.

Thanks a lot, guys. Have a good day.

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