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And so many of you know, if you've been listening to this show for a long time, that I have learned a great deal about racial strife in this country from Bomani Jones. I think he's the best I've ever seen at talking about some of this stuff in terms of being able to be informed and having a historical experience and life experience that allows him to sort of explain to us things that we might not have seen for ourselves. So, Brown and Taylor, this incident is amazing to watch.

I don't incident isn't even a strong enough word, but you get into a position where in very real ways, the crime is not shooting a black woman. It's missing. The charges are for having missed her and endangered others in an apartment, according to her lawyer, where white people lived. So Bomani Jones with us now. And thank you for joining us. So I'm just curious, because you've known every time one of these things crops up, you're always like and it's not it's historically.

So you're not even cynical about it. Just realistic. It's like, yeah, there won't be any charges here. These aren't going to be cop charges. And so you experience what happened in Louisville here.

How? Honestly, not at all myself, and I don't want to say this in any judgment to anybody else for feeling what they feel this is like emotionally incapacitated a lot of people, and I think especially younger people, because I feel like in some ways this is kind of their first, like, really conscious rodeo with this sort of thing. Like I saw Malik Andrews on television.

You know, the thing with her and like the Mike Brown thing was six years ago. So she was like 19 when that happened, which then means you're like 17 when Trayvon Martin happened. So I don't know how you consume or how you deal with those things after they happen.

But with Trayvon Martin, it was a terrible story when it happened. But I was like, OK, after they took all that time, before they even decided to do any sort of investigation or, you know, there's not going to be anything that happens on the back end, like it's going to be functionally impossible for there to be something that happens on the back end of that one. And what was informative to me about the case with Mike Brown was the district attorney in St.

Louis at the time, said, well, what we're going to do is we're going to present the evidence to the grand jury and then we're going to let them make a decision. And I was always under the impression that they played to win. Right. Like he was the way you put it was just like does this stuff up there in front of them and just see what they have to say about this. That's not how this works. If they want you to be indicted, they go in there to indict you.

Like the prosecutor is not there taking surveys, prosecutors, they're trying to get people indicted. And he's like he just made it clear they weren't going to try to get the dude indicted. Maybe it happens, maybe it doesn't. But they weren't going to try to do that. And so what happens in this case for me, like it was informed by all of that history and knowing how this goes. And the worst part about this is. The law is what was going to make it impossible for anybody to go to jail like this guy has set up in his way, I talked about this one of my podcasts.

I've talked about this before. That the way that the law is written in a lot of ways for cops in a way that they talk about these things is basically make an omelet without breaking some eggs, like they feel as though in order for them to be able to do their jobs every now and then, somebody is going to have to get shot when they should like that. This is the only way that they're going to be able to do this. Right.

And boom, there it goes. So for me, that is what this case was. I think that the laws are written as they are with black people or black victims in mind. But what happened to her if she had been a white woman laying in her bed in the same way? This probably plays out the same. Now, this may be a different level of outrage from different sets of people about it, but in terms of the way that statute is written, this is going to go the same.

Like the police unions in all these different places have amassed the level of power that's allowed them to basically set up the rules so that they don't go to jail if they kill somebody like it's there, it was set up. So the hearing that the grand jury had only indicted the cop for shooting into the other apartment had made peace with that already. Like this was the this was what the ending was going to be. There was nothing this was not a climax to me when they made when they said they were going to announce what was going to happen with the cops know this was already over for me.

So whatever whatever pain and anguish that I was going to feel about it was going to be felt by finding out about the story, because even, let's say they had indicted these cops, which is a really low bar. Right. Let's say they had indicted the cops. Now let's say they convicted the cops. And. Like in the grand scheme, like you realize how little we're talking about, scraping for and fighting for is one conviction in an egregious case would have been cause for people to be dancing in the streets because of things askew so far in the other direction of the doodah.

Walter Scott in South Carolina, who we saw on tape, get shot in the back by the police. They convicted that officer. They did. It ain't like what did it change like like I would feel differently about taking a celebratory or being overly disappointed cemetery run when somebody gets convicted or being highly disappointed with somebody does not. If I felt like any one of these convictions was then subsequently going to lead to like a domino effect of that becomes the way things go.

This thing is set up in a way that that's not going to happen that way. Like what there is to have anguish about is not this particular case, but the fact that after cops kill somebody in a case like this, they know that they can go home and go to sleep. Right. And that's a macro level thing that for me is not going to change based on any one individual case.

Well, what is the structural change that you've heard? Like this stuff is so difficult to move a mountain on?

Like what what could possibly be a structural change that makes sense to you that as being possible?

Well, in some way, those laws are going to need to be rewritten, because if you don't change the laws, no matter how fervent the prosecutor is, like the dude, they got the black Republican attorney general in Kentucky and he's the face of a lot of this and taking a lot of scorn and ire, some of which I think is absolutely justified.

But even if Thurgood Marshall were the district attorney of the state of Kentucky, you couldn't do anything about what the laws actually are that are in place.

Like the to me, if there's a structural I don't know if there's a structural change that can happen. What does kind of have to happen to me? We have to evaluate what we mean when we call people heroes or when we decide that somebody is a hero. And so I have read a lot about how police officers will talk about their number one job is to come home to their families, which I think is totally human and understandable. And I believe that if I were in a position like that, there's a good chance that my view on it would be that nothing is more important than me getting home to my family.

I think I would probably feel that way. I'm also not a hero. That's not that's not what it is like when we talk about heroes, we talk about people that run into burning buildings and I might not make it out of here, but I'm going to try to get some kids out of here. Right. Like, that's that's how we think about it. Like a friend of mine makes the point that if firefighters use the same standard as we allow police to use, buildings would burn down all the time.

You know, like if a firefighter is firefighters, number one duty is I got to get home. Then all kinds of stuff would burn down like this. That's not what it is, that's not what the game is like when we talk about the first responders that 911, what makes them heroes is the risk that they were willing to take in order to do something by their fellow man. Like that's what did it. That's not really the standard that we hold police to accept.

Any time something happens, we then turn them into heroes. And if you want to say that the police are doing heroic work, I think that's a fine hypothesis to start with. Then you got to explain to me what it is about their work. It is that makes it heroic. And I think the argument that most people would make is that they risk their lives in order to do their jobs and therefore their heroic coup. Got you. Except you let them opt out of the heroism.

When is needed to be or when it is convenient, and again, I would probably take the same approach in the same place, but I know hero. So when people say vote and these are elected official positions, if you want to change the system, you're saying, yeah, not so much like it's not vote an elected official. If the law if we're following the law, whether we're black and white and you're saying it's a helpless, foregone conclusion the way everything's set up.

Well, so let's think about this with the idea of, like, electing people. Right. I say this as a political observation. Barack Obama got elected in 2008. The once the Republicans take control of the Senate, they basically made the decision, we're not letting you do anything right. Like even if you say this is your vote, right, it doesn't work exactly that way. If you change over a couple of people in some offices, it doesn't necessarily mean that what's going to follow is X, Y and Z.

Now, this is what I do think about voting. And I think that this is kind of where it matters on matters of police stuff. You got a better chance of having an effect with your vote on local issues like local ordinances and things like that in local offices than you do with the larger stuff. All right. You've got that chance. You can do something there. And I think that that's that's the big part of voting. Like, we keep telling people to vote.

But I think that we probably need to be more specific and say pay real attention to what's going on with local politics and with your local ballot, because that's probably the place where you as an individual probably have a greater effect and have a better chance at making something happen. But just blankly saying voting like, OK, well, we can get his name is Daniel Kamron. Right. We can get Daniel Kahneman out of office in Kentucky again. You can put somebody else in there.

But if the laws are as they are, that you can't do anything about it. Now that, I believe is where you start looking at state legislatures. And John Oliver, this other really good a couple of years ago about state legislatures looked at up like the state legislature game is where things are real kooky and the district lines are drawn in such a way that even by voting, there's only so much that you can do to impact the level of change.

Because most people get power, they rig it such that they can keep it. That's the number one priority, is the maintenance of power. So you've got something there. But I also think that especially when it comes to things with the police, we're still not doing this right in the sense that the police did not begin to behave the way they did by accident. They didn't get to this point by accident. They have historically operated with a mandate from the people like the the median American has approved of the ways that the police have dealt with things over the years.

And so if the median American doesn't look at this and say to themselves, whoa, man, we got a problem, then the structural change that you've got a lot of votes to try to get together, I guess, is the point that I'm trying to make here and think about it in this way. You see the story about this autistic boy in Utah. They got shot in the back by the cops. Like apparently he was he was he was having some problem, whatever.

His mom called the cops and then the cops came and they shot this 11 year old kid in the back. Hey, man, I'm not really happy about that.

Like all the way to the point where you don't even see, like, right wing people being like, well, why aren't you talking about this 11 year old boy? Like, it's not even happening. Like, there's a whole lot of people in this country have made the decision that a lot of things that the cops are going to do that for whatever reason they're willing to ride with. And I think about that story with that 11 year old, kind of like people with the gun control debate where public opinion is in favor of gun control, but the power dynamics are skewed so such that the gun control thing doesn't change.

But I think it was after Newtown like, look, man, if this if this didn't shake people, it ain't happening. And I feel like an 11 year old white boy get shot in the back. And is that really shake people? I don't know what's going to shake them. So when you talk with this sort of practical numbness about this stuff, one of the things that is different here has to be stark to you is video in Louisville of people who don't have any seeming affiliation to law enforcement, marching around armed to the teeth with weaponry.

That's totally scary. Feeling like it's their job to make sure that protesters don't protest too much like that. You can't be practically numb to can.

You know, I am not practically numb to it, but I recognize the thing about that is they doing that for one reason because they know the cops aren't going to shoot them. Like, I don't know if you remember. What was it in Dallas where there was the big rally a few years ago when this somebody got shot and there was this black dude who was walking around with his assault rifle because Texas. Right. Like, you know, you could do that in Texas.

He's got that thing strapped across his body and he's walking around and somebody got shot and he's walking and he's like. I need to find a police officer to give him my gun right immediately, why? Because he knows they might shoot him for that. These folks know they rolled in, however, deep into these spots with these guns because they know that nobody is going to shoot them. I was when that kicker for the Patriots, he didn't want to make it.

The team, the one they drafted that had that white supremacist tattoo on him, the members of that group had shown up at some like a recruiting center. I want to say it was in Tennessee. They are showing up at this recruiting center, a bunch of them with all the guns. And the army sent a letter out to let the people know who worked at the recruiting center. Basically, be nice to those people, don't engage them, but be polite and everything else, and then just go in there and do your job.

That was the Army saying we need to be nice to these people because otherwise they might start shooting. That's what tells you everything you need to know. Well, when people try and condense this stuff to everything, you need to know, what am I supposed to rebut when the symbolism is this stark? But because honest to God, it is appalling in twenty twenty when this is how our country is and all the information we have about what the last few months have felt like, and you get into a situation where two cops are getting no charges and the only one who's getting charges is not who killed.

It's not for killing Brianna Taylor. It is for endangering the white people next door. And and and it's not for endangering the black people next door where there were black people next door. But that's one. But that's what I'm saying, Bomani, like you like that is too difficult to believe. The symbol is. It can't be that, can it? Like, it can't be. We're going to value by law and by charges something that stark where we're going to value white life more than black life in a way that's plain to see right there.

And this the same thing with the white dudes walking around with him, hammers going through the street, deciding that they themselves are going to maintain law and order.

Right. Like it's it's people can't act like they don't know. Like I used to operate when I talked about a lot of these things, like I guess eight or ten years ago, Mozo, where I did honestly feel like I was dealing with a lot of people who did not understand the point, know, like I think that it was easy for them given what things were to not like fully get what it was. And people very often have a moment of something happen that just shakes them and they're like, oh man, this is what it is like.

I think Brianna Taylor will be there for some people. But I mean, it's it's been laid so bare. Like I thought. It's interesting that for all the people who get with me, I like to stick to thwart stuff. You'll notice I have had very little to say about Donald Trump since he won the Republican nomination in 2016, because to me, it was like there's nothing else to say.

Like everything is here right in front of you. There's nothing else to be explained. It's all been laid bare. And I feel like for the last four years of the administration that you could look at the tenor of the campaign that Trump is run.

It's right there. Right there's there's there's the game. And this is not decoded. Right. This isn't about a Southern strategy any more where you find different issues to try to cover up what it is, even when they try to use some of those classic Southern strategy issues like the suburbs and stuff like that. Even when they do that, they give the game away. Why they do it like they ain't even got to say the suburbs part anymore because it's so transparent.

What it is that is being offered is right here in front of people right now. And if people if people have picked the side that is against those who are like, hey, we're kind of scared of getting shot by the police. Then. I don't know how to reason with them anymore. I don't know how to argue with them anymore. I think the thing that we have to do with them is stop pretending like they need the benefit of the doubt on this.

They have sacrificed the benefit of the doubt. We are where we are. This is what this is what people have to stop pretending.

I just find exasperating, just really exasperating. These are not controversial requests. Please have the police stop being brutal with us. And please listen to us. We are in pain. Just listen to us. And everything's a fight, though, like it's not like it. I don't understand how there's an other side to those two things I just said.

Yeah, but here's the problem. So let's say that there's not an other side. Let's just throw it out there. Right like I did after recorded after we do this. And I'm doing a parting shot about that dude in UFC Colby Covington. Yes.

I believe is this well he's trafficking in this stuff the way that fighters it's like he's missing by a note. He's trying to be the cartoon wrestler guy. And he it doesn't seem sincere to me, but he seems like he's got a path to money, the way Conor McGregor and Charleson and with their mouth got a path to money. Yeah.

So the thing is, I think it's sincere, but I also think it's performative, like I think it's rehearsed and I think he's hitting all the major talking points. But I do believe that it is sincere. But here's the thing. If Dana is going to be at the Trump rallies and in Dana is going to be at the Republican National Convention and we're not going to say anything about Dana doing that, like the thing that makes Covington interesting to me is as inflammatory as his rhetoric is, it is also the mainstream rhetoric of the president of the United States.

And so once it becomes the rhetoric of the president, it almost becomes like in a protected class of that politics stuff, because if nothing else, we have established that there are some tens of millions of people who support the person that is behind this. Right. Like it's not like coming to take it what Trump is saying and then taking it to this whole nother place where Trump will come behind it and be like, oh, wait a minute, that's not my message.

No, he's fit into exactly what he's calling him.

He's calling. Trump is calling. It's not like Trump is making a whole lot of like he's doing this with Clay Travis by appearing on that show, which is just Breitbart Sports like he is. He is absolutely trafficking in the same constituency. Right.

But the question for me is not why Covington is allowed to do this without scrutiny. It's why does Dana White get to do this without scrutiny? Because Dana White is not saying the same things as Covington, but he is endorsing the same a person who says the same things. This guy and not just endorsing the UFC has been used as a propaganda arm of this particular group, like we've seen, like the promotional videos that the UFC has done behind Trump.

So, like, to me, it's real easy to come on Covington, right. And just be like, oh, wow, he seems so boorish and he's saying everything else without saying the words. Dana White is saying the exact same thing, but that's our job.

And this is my point. This is maddening, though. It's our job. But we work under the umbrella of one of the few people who was making us money during the pandemic, you know what I mean? And I'm not. And I'm not. I'm explaining not excusing, because what you're saying is absolutely so that basically at a time when the political walls have fallen on the discourse at this network and everywhere, Dana White skates on the messaging while speaking at the Republican National Convention as a partner to this network.

And then Dana's some I don't know if interesting is the right way to put it, but, you know, we've come a highly questionable at times.

So I've talked to Dana a lot and I've only seen it once. But I was at my desk one day at the seaport, mind my own business, and somebody tapped me. I had no idea what it was. And he was walking away because I was in a hurry and it was Dana. He looks so incredibly happy to see me, you know what I mean? Like like we're not talking about some dude that, like, can't stand to be in the presence of black people or something like that.

Like, that's not what it is. But this is not he hasn't just put his name on it.

He's put the name of the whole operation onto this.

Right. As quick as they were to try to push to get back in the time of covid-19, it was hard to separate that from Dana's attachment to all of these other things. And I'm right there with you. It becomes a media situation. So like what, Covington, for example, we don't have to put this stuff on TV.

You know, when he gets out here and talks about Ousman and says that he's a communist and a Marxist and he supports a lifelong criminals, we don't have to put that on television. We don't have to give that eyeballs. Like even if we're not going to get on here and chastise him at every time for doing that, we don't have to be the ones to help him out. In the course of that light. You can make the argument, OK, we're in business with Dana White.

I guess we kind of got to let him ride for some of his affiliations. But we don't have to let Kolby Covington like I don't know who that dude is, but one of the things he did and what are we supposed to do with this?

Because in their back and forth and I don't know if you heard it, maybe Michael, get it here and we'll play it for you if you haven't heard the specifics of the back and forth. But you and I have laughed about the idea that wrestling traffics in stereotypes in a way that's racist and hugely offensive, but also it's wrestling and fight the fight game traffics and racism in a way that will help. You will not go to a mixed culture fight between black people and Mexico.

And and, yeah, I wonder how you fit that into what it is that we're talking about here when he says to Ousman something about his tribe and smoke signals, something that is just it's racist. And we were laughing about it earlier this week, not the racist part about it, but just how stupid this back and forth was with Covington. Have you heard this sound? Is this sound that you've heard the specifics of where we're Covington just gets mad and it's not even trash talk.

It's just it's a note off. And Covington just get angry because basically it's that video of a Bill O'Reilly that you showed me where they were enjoying. How much were the guys that were enjoying?

How much of a day? Dash. Yeah, they're just like we have crashed the party. Yeah, that that Bill O'Reilly was getting mad here. Here's Covington. Let's play the sound for the audience in the event that they haven't heard it, where it's just it's a note off, but also with some bonus racism on the front end.

You sort I look at it. It's just so so. Yeah. You know. Would you get us who do you get a call, you get a call from frickin you little you little tribe to give you some smoke signals for you? OK, you're ready for news to that. That's what you're saying us that he cares about you. No one cares about you. You're pathetic. You care about me. No. Yeah. Because you got the worst decision in the history of the sport to me.

Oh, no, no, you didn't. I stood right up across your party. Fake newsman. You're broke. You didn't break your face right up in protest in a way that was fake. Waiting to see you next time. Wait till I see you next time, Marty. Fake newsman. You're dead. You're dead. I got unfinished business. Really better show up for you. You said that last time. I would have. Yeah. You wait till this time.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, you broke your spirit. That's why you're running for me. That's why you hide. You ain't nowhere to run. Nowhere to hide. Now wait till I see you next time. You never finish, Tarawallie, like I did. You're dead. You're on borrowed time right now. What about Shamila. About me. Look at me here. Know look at your hair. You are probably the ugliest doing here. The UFC that hair your face with steroids stopped.

You know, the only thing you broke is your will. You broke your will. You ain't how I beat you do. What are you doing FootStone. See the boringness champ in the history of this company, your favorite. Anything that's more important when you broke your own. Why are you running? Why are you running? Come see me in octagon then see me. I'll see what happens next time. Your best night. That was my worst night.

And your ass. I'll tell you. Tell me right now. Tell me what happens. Knocking your ass out. You're going out cold. I guarantee it. Just like I walk with you. I know you lost all those brain cells. I know your dimensional right now. Delusional. Wait till I see you next time. Already fake news. You better train hard. Keep doing that EPO. Keep it up. I don't need nothing. This is raw American steel.

I got the president, the United States dragging energy. When I see when I see you, you're dead.

Do you think that ethically or journalistically we shouldn't be playing that? I don't hit where it's tricky for me on that is. I did watch whenever the last fight was that Buddy was in, but apparently like he had the crowd. The crowd is with him, like the thing that's awkward about Trump is the majority of white people voted, voted for him, and that's in every demographic split right by it's basically white people voted for Trump and nobody else did like that.

That's the way that it plays out. And so, like Adria's Hale, who covers M.A, he wrote something sport news about Covington and everything that he's been doing. And my understanding is he's the only person of all the guys that were there who really wrote something about just kind of how noxious all of this stuff was. And of course, that's black dude who did that and nobody else did the cast that cover him. And they don't seem to be they don't know what to do with this, you know, and they they're not qualified.

I don't know if qualified is the right way to put it. I don't know if they're not willing, whatever it is that they're not in a position where they're willing to come out here and do anything about that. And so what we do is like we put this guy out here and I think you and I look at it from the standpoint of how we are exposing this man and showing him for what he is. But I don't think that simply laying it out there like that counts as exposure.

Like the point I made about Adria's piece about it was I was like. Is it a heel turn if the people don't think you're a heel? Like, it's not like he's doing this stuff and getting booed for it. They know this in, like, just sort slaughter went out for Iraq, like, this is not what it is. I I thought you were exceptional on the subject of Deon Sanders going to Jackson State on highly questionable and I wanted people to sort of hear why it matters to you that, Don, as much as you love parts of Dionne and his personality and certainly his play.

Why him taking this job sounded like it mattered to you.

It did it a lot of ways.

Now, one thing that's worth noting and keeping in mind here is that Jackson State is not playing football this year.

Perhaps they'll play football next year, but they're not playing football this year. So we got a lot of time before we figure out exactly what is going on here. Got it. However. I need Don to be in this for the students. It's very, very, very important to me the be in this for the students because I am in A, B, C, U grad. I graduate. Clark, Atlanta University. I every morsel of food I have ever eaten in my life has in one way or another come from the BCU.

Like this matters to me in a very, very significant way. I don't care if we're ever good at football again, you know, like people don't realize historically how good football has been. Jackson's state has four count them four Hall of Famers, four of them Mississippi Valley State, for example, has two players with legitimate claims to be in the best players of all time at their positions. Mississippi State has never had a Hall of Fame. If I'm not mistaken, I could be wrong, and I'm pretty sure they never had a Hall of Famer like that's the historical significance.

But then integration came and our schools are underfunded. We don't have the money to put on for our athletic departments in the ways that other schools can't. We do not have donor bases that allow us to just pass the hat and come around. And magically there's going to be a brand new locker room because somebody wrote a check for three dollars million. We ain't got people has got three million dollars to write those checks. That's not what it is like to play the athletics game on the scale that currently exists.

I don't think we can do that. And I don't think that should be our goal. Right.

Our goal should be to serve the students that we get to serve the players that we wind up with, and to wind up in a situation, a circumstance where I did a story a few years ago where I was writing about bcuz and the athletic director at North Carolina Central at the time said things like, yeah, this was at the time when this kid named Greg Little who played for the Browns, a lot of it. He was like the best player in Durham at the time.

He was like, no, I didn't call me about Greg Little. But, you know, kid over here at one point, seven GPA yourself and all, you had to give me a call did he's like, if they give us a call, like, is it a discipline problem or an emotional problem or a great problem? But you better believe it's a problem. Right? I would like to get to a place where at the very least, we're not having to get like the bargain bin.

Right. The all the open box specials in order to try to be competitive. I don't want to have to do that. But at the same time, I grew up my parents were working at Prairie View at the time with Prairie View, wasn't giving scholarships because they got caught cheating and then decided that they weren't given scholarships and they didn't win a game for ten years. Which is to say that I grew up around a place where winning at football didn't matter, but the football team still contributed to the culture of the school and the band and everything else was still there, like it was still a thing.

You want it to be better, obviously, but I guess it gave me a perspective and understanding that, like, being good at football only matters so much. So I worry that Don, who wants to be a big time college football coach, is a 20 year job for him. I worry about guys like that coming in and playing it like it's short and doing all kinds of things and then dipping out and then their problems left for whoever comes next.

And so I want it. That is important to me that if Dad's going to do this job, keeping in mind the dad is not a person with attachments to an BCU. Right from Fort Myers, Florida. I don't think there's an ABC around there. He went to Florida State. I'm sure that he dated some girls with FAMU. But it's not the same thing, you know, but they said this in his blood in the ways that it is for most of the people that are around these schools.

And so I fear that he's going to make a short run play that could possibly embarrass the institution. And I think it's very important to get him to be declarative about the fact that he is in this for these players and in this for the larger campus community, because if he's in it for himself, I got bad news.

For the only person to ever parlay that BCU job into an FBS job is a dude named Jay Hopson. He's white, right. And he coached at Alcorn. And I made a mistake on television. I want to have corrected a little bit on Twitter, but I'll do it again here. I use the phrase bunch of hoodlums to refer to some AJ hops as recruiting a bunch of hoodlums is the wrong phrase for me to use. But with Jay Hopson did do.

And this is the point that I was trying to make that rape scandal at Vanderbilt. That was a big thing a few years ago. While that was being adjudicated, Hopsin brought one of those boys to Alcorn. No, you can't you can't endanger the campus community in the name of building your football team, right. And that's not the only example of like a move that he made. It was a thing apparently also after Hobson left still as players, an ugly brawl in the cafeteria that happened or whatever.

So I apologize for conveying the idea that I was saying that every player they had was a hold up or something like that. That's not what I meant. But I get why you thought that I'm a professional communicator. It's my fault for not saying it right. But my point is that Hopsin was making a short run play to use that campus for his own benefit and whatever mess was created, he left there. And that worries me about the. Well, is there ever in the history of sport, a guy who was more about himself in some ways than Deon Sanders like that seems like a reasonable concern to have for all the reasons you enumerated, but also because.

Yeah, Dions about dán demons always been about Tionne.

And they also had him on a first take yesterday. And they apparently played what I said and apparently he called me a hater. I didn't see it, but apparently he called me a hater and then said that he's not in it for him, that this is God's plan. And I'm like, who?

I'm convinced now, whoa ho. That's all I needed to hear, Dad. No, no, no. And honestly, I can't see how there's anybody in the world who would view what I say as being a problem in any way whatsoever. Like if you care more about winning football games than you care about the large community, MAFF you.

OK, that is the dismount on that topic. We can move on to another one because I was curious about your thoughts on everything going on in the Pittsburgh Steelers locker room, because this is a tough one. But you've got an Army Ranger putting something different on his helmet than the other guys. And who's going to say something to him? Like how do you say something to him when he's honoring a war hero who heads into a fire and ends up in a situation where he's saving, you know, several men, half a dozen men, and he's coming out with seventy two percent burns and then dying shortly thereafter?

Like, what do you say and how do you say it?

You couldn't wait to salute to service them. By one thing about it is you can't ever tell me that there are not adequate opportunities to talk about the military in football. Go ahead. What what what other chances are going to have to do this? You will go to have plenty of other chances to do this. And then he decided that this was the time that he was going to do it. Talking about it in a way, this is the second time he's done something like this.

The last time they said it was an accident where they all decided they were going to stay in the locker room for the national anthem and then he just couldn't help himself. He had to come out there to do it. Something tells me that they could still hear the national anthem in the locker room. If he wanted to do that, he could have stood up there and indeed his whole thing to honor the flag in the National Guard showed all the reference and everything else that he wanted to, but he wanted to be seen.

It's hard like it's hard for me to divorce from that. And I said it at the time. I was like, I don't know what he's trying to do because I have to get couch. Everything you say about Bill in a way, I don't know what he was trying to do, but he hijacked that and he put Tomblin in an awful situation because the whole team decided they were going to do something. But now this doesn't apply to you.

And so now we get to football, may get to this thing that happened. This time. He did the exact same thing. He taped over this other kid's name and decided to put the name of the soldier and. Great. But what, you didn't have to do this right now. You had all kinds of other opportunities to do this. You didn't have to do this right now. But nobody, like in media, is going to be the one to ask these questions.

And Tomlin totally can't win this. No matter how Tomlin feels about this. He went into a PR fight against the soldier.

It ain't it just is just the dude who did three tours is a ranger in Afghanistan. He's not going to win that PR fight against that guy. But it's just wild to me that the Steelers are all about uniformity and football teams are all about uniformity. And by the way, the military is all about uniformity. The military man is the one who once again decided that the uniformity did not apply to him and it can feel like he is using his service as a shield for what is actually in opposition to this larger movement.

And I would like for someone in a position to ask him some questions about that, to ask him that, except who's going to ask the Army Ranger about these things, like he wasn't as transparent as Ifrit was in Jacksonville, where you put David Dorn's name on his helmet. That's I mean, that's a straight ahead Fox News talking point on that one. And that ain't have none of those things had anything to do with what the weekend was or what they were doing.

But that one had nothing at all to do what we're doing except to use as an oppositional talking point that was to ivory giving the middle finger to what the league is doing right now. And nobody did anything about. Did you do a parting shot on?

I did that because I didn't see that when I was going to say I have not heard that.

Like, it demands that Vilanova be at least ask some questions. No, like you don't hear his voice on these things.

We cowards, man, like when it really comes to it, who in Pittsburgh is going to be the one to go ask Alejandro Avila to waiver why it is that you're doing this? Like, I would honestly love to hear what his answer is, because what happened with the thing in Pittsburgh is the kid whose names that they put on their helmets, apparently he has been alleged to have been involved in a drive by shooting immediately before. But the prosecutors in Pittsburgh, everybody says that when he was running away, that he was not in furtherance of a crime.

But either way it goes, if he was involved in a drive by shooting, you're not allowed to shoot people in the middle of the street because you accuse them of shooting somebody else. Like, you can't do that. That's not allowed. And what it shows at every turn, and this is why the idea of Black Lives Matter is a statement becomes so important.

Why folks look for every reason in the world to not care about what happens to black people, you know, so that right there is Jews running away, got shot in the back, you should want justice, right? Like you should want him to have to get a trial to deal with the horrors of jail or everything else, right? No, no, no, no, no. You don't want that because then you have to care, even for a brief moment, that a black person died.

And at every turn, what you'll find in these responses to when something like this happens, whether it be George Floyd, whether it be Jacob Blake, why should I not care about this person? Why does this black person not matter to me or deserve or deserve it?

Right. When we go through the criminal record, why does this black person deserve something that feels badly?

But the moral of the story is you're not supposed to care about black people. And here's the reminder of why you're not supposed to care about them. And that's that's what these always come down to. And so what a candlelight vigil in the wave of what I ever would do. It is what I'm not saying that black people don't matter. David Dawn is black and forget the gentleman's name. Give me I forget it as it was in Iraq.

Yeah, but then, like, he's black, like, that's that's the shield that they're using. But but they're using them to say that these other people just don't matter, that they are above caring about these people. And that's the part that we try to fix in the part that we try to get past. But in order to do that, you're going to unfortunately have to call some white people racists. Right? You're going to have to directly challenge some people and get them to a point where there's no way to say anything other than what you're doing is racist.

And white people have no interest in engaging in that activity. A light dismount here, I just want to hear, because we haven't actually talked about it, how much you love Tyler Hero. I'll do it. I'm enjoying this. I don't always know how I feel about do I do is that kick in like a hero? Except for the fact that he means it like he sees the one hundred percent mean it. And even if he didn't kick it the way that he kicks it, I just can't believe how confident he is, by the way, that he approached that game, those shots he was taking, like I told you about Porter in Denver when he made that shot over in Game six.

I forget who took it, wasn't it? You don't. No, this was in the Clippers series. It was it may have been over Paul George, but he's got the ball basically twenty seven feet away and just puts it up with no fear after having not made a shot. I was like that is he shot a superstar, takes Tyler hero was out here doing superstar level stuff at twenty years old. And what I want to know is why didn't I mean I know I did but he obviously committed to go to Wisconsin before he went to Kentucky.

Do you know how confused everybody would have been trying to reconcile Tadahiro with what they think about Wisconsin and all the other stuff like, you know, in Bears, he would have been by subdues that they sat here running around trying to take them. Charges, like you imagine, would have been like the first time somebody tell it's out of hero to go out there and act like that.

He spent his whole life separating himself for white dudes like those. That's why he can go pick they what to do.

I don't I don't know how to explain him emerging from Wisconsin. I'm I'm I just don't I don't understand what happened. Did you have you seen the pictures of his parents?

I have not there's no explanation, man. Like, I can't I always say, like, so where did you get radicalized? Because it sounds like he got radicalized before he got to Kentucky. I don't know who was on his a you team, whatever it is, but I am wild. Confuse the what do you got drafted. What do you know what I'm talking about. You know, people don't make it like you. People don't make it well from everywhere.

What are you talking about?

All right. By the way, by the way, since you mentioned it.

The heat, they only play four of them regularly, but the heat out here with five white dudes by to go to the NBA finals, like every time somebody say white dudes can't hoop, they got five of them well and must make Boston in particular crazy, right?

I mean, Oleynik smells like Zambujo and he's out there like I mean, it must be there's snow, but how about this? But how about the idea that the unicorn was supposed to be Gordon Hayward and now it's Tyler here. Can you imagine Boston looking at that saying, wait a minute, we just got a guy named Gordon with a ridiculous mustache? How do they get him? We had a chance to draft him.

I have wondered if the Boston fans like how how much happier they would be with their team if they had the Miami roster. Right. Like they had Miami's roster with all of those guys and they got all the different kinds of white dudes.

They got Dragic coming from the other country. They got Meyers, Leonard, who I'm not going to call a big white stiff but is in the archetype. You got Kelly Olynyk where you're not exactly sure what he's good at but he'll be out there. Duncan Robinson the spot up shooter and Tyler Hero the one we can't explain. Like no matter what kind of white guy they like, they like in vogue. In vogue is like yo if you're into black women we got one of just about every type right here for you.

That's what the heat here. They got the white basketball sampler platter. See you later.

Bye bye. Thank you. Thank you for doing this with. I'll go.