We aren't supposed to mix politics and sports around here, but I keep trying to play inside the lines in this ridiculous playpen we've constructed of sports and the politics won't stop climbing over left field walls and unbuilt Mexican walls and barging right into me. Wednesday, it arrived in one of the strangest and most amazing ways yet with legendary Cincinnati Reds broadcaster Tom Brennaman spitting a gay slur so very casually into a microphone he didn't know was hot and then apologizing many hours later in the funniest and most awkward way possible by stopping comedically made apology after saying I'm a man of faith to hear the crack of a bat and then interrupting the broadcasting of what might have been the end of his career with the saddest, funniest home run call you will ever hear in your life treating the game and his play by play craft with more respect till the very end.
Then he could extend to human beings who happen to be gay, even while ostensibly in the middle of an apology to them trying to save his career. This isn't even yet the politics I'm talking about, of course, because being gay isn't supposed to be politics. Just like wearing a mask isn't supposed to be politics. But we've drifted to a place in a poisoned, contaminated America. Our divided states united in name only, where opinions can be traded for facts and anything can be weaponized as politics.
Even college football so bravely into this breach stepped unctuous extremist Curt Schilling using all his white power as a sports champion to champion not for gay people, but for the real victim here, Tom Brennaman. In today's console culture, Schilling wrote on Twitter while defending the good family baseball name of the Brennaman. I'm expecting overreaction to this mistake. OK, first of all, Kurt, this wasn't a mistake, losing all your baseball millions plus seventy five million dollars in Rhode Island, taxpayer loan dollars to fund a now bankrupt video game company that can be classified as a mistake.
But Brennaman didn't use that word by accident. Quite the contrary. He said it with his chest like a man who had plenty of practice with it. He makes his career as a craftsman communicator with words the way he said this was closer to expert than error. He said it wasn't the real him. But I've worked in TV a long time. The real you always the one who doesn't know the microphone is around. But none of this, believe it or not, is even the most forceful way Schilling drag politics into this playpen that day.
Did you see what happened yesterday with political strategist Steve Bannon indicted for fraud on his We Build the Wall PAC accused of lining his own pockets while getting a divisive president, elected with a platform of building a literal wall between ourselves and those dirty brown rapists from Mexico who were supposedly marching with ill intent to our borders. So we locked up their brown babies in cages at the edges of America. Let freedom ring. Guess who's on the board of directors for we build the wall?
Yeah. Curt Schilling literally trying to build a wall between the US with power in this country and the dirty them who look too much like my father. Now, Bannon, who wanted to build a wall to protect his US from my them, is accused of using that platform, that racism, that division that hate, not unlike Brennaman Spit and Shillong protected to not only protect his precious white power, which is perfectly legal in America, but also to line his own pockets, which is decidedly not legal in America.
The politics of money and race and power and sexuality. Schilling is literally on the board of directors while blaming the rest of us for creating a culture of cancel. I wanted to start with the rare coach on coach crime, you do not see this, but George Karl went after Mark Jackson. I also wanted to get into the statement that Massai you Jerry, you don't know this George Korrell story to.
Well, no, but neither of them are coaching. So, I mean, this is this is interesting. They're not coaching, but it's rare. It's rare for the broadcasters.
It's rare for the people. Fair enough. Fair point. If it is rare for coaches to attack each other publicly and George Carlin, Mark Jackson aren't coaching, although Mark Jackson might in some future date be the coach of your next dugout because he might. Yeah, yeah. At some point. But the thing that I wanted to talk about got nuked because the guy was busy rummaging through baseball cards, which is not something I expected to see him doing.
And he said it's so much fun and that he's looking for value. What are you doing specifically, though, old baseball cards? Your are people still doing this with baseball cards? As baseball cards made a resurgence from when we were a kid and collecting baseball cards?
I believe so. I mean, I was a big I was a huge baseball card collector when I was growing up. And I love a good rummage through a plastic bag of cards that you find in your garage and you have no idea what traits are inside that little plastic bag. I have no idea where these baseball cards are from. I just know they're all like I have adjusted more. No playing with the Rockies card in my hand right now. That's a former NFL MVP in about what year is that card?
Hold on. Let's go through some of this. This can be fun. Billy, do you collect or have you collected baseball cards?
Oh, yeah, of course I used to. I used to be like a normal person and I would get, like, just the packs of cards. And I'm like, oh, my God, I'm looking for, like, the valuable cards, knowing, you know, valuable cards are never in those packs. Like maybe you'll get one good card and there, but you're never going to get like a you know, like a Mike Trout rookie card just going through a normal pack of Topps or Upper Deck or Pinnacle or whatever it is.
Right. Then when I got older, I found out, hey, you know what? I don't have to be a fool and keep buying individual packs. I can just buy the complete deck of cards for like forty five dollars. And then I'm guaranteed to get whatever card I want in there because it's the complete deck. And then I got a little bit older than that and I realized why am I spending forty five dollars on baseball cards. This is stupid.
Never in my life am I going to need the twenty four complete lack of Topps baseball card. So that was like the end of like a two year run of buying the complete decks of baseball cards.
So where are those though? Because you will find a day forty years from now ostensibly that those will have value. That's what's not doing right now, is looking through old cards. Although Justin Morneau. Is that exactly old enough? You got to listen to anything. I don't remember what I purchased these cards. I must of like, you know, recently just purchased a few packs of cards. But Billy, I'm telling you, one eight years from now, you're going to want to check out the cards that you had and see if there's some value.
Like I have three Barry Bonds rookie cards. Those things are worth a lot now. I'm telling you, they're worth a lot of money and I have them sell them now.
So now I have them simply because I bought everything.
I never throw anything away. And now I have value and I've got to sell them that. Yeah.
Let me tell you a story about what like nine year old Billy used to do. Nine year old Billy used to collect Beanie Babies and he would put plastic things over the tags because if the tags got bent, they were totally worthless. And I was like, one day I got a Princess Diana Beanie Baby. Oh, my God. A year, two thousand Beanie Baby. This is going to be worth a fortune one day. You know what they're worth now?
Absolutely nothing. So if you could get anything for Barry Bonds card now, are you sure about this? There's going to be a date. It's worth nothing.
Are you sure about that? I think Katie Nolan says Beanie Babies are worth a lot now. Am I wrong about this? I think she's got some Beanie Babies and she says they have great worth.
Now, she's probably in denial like I am. And she just hoard of Beanie Babies at a younger age and she's like, this is good. The stock is going to come back up. Trust me, this isn't going to crash. People are going to want to use blah, blah, blah, whatever, something that doesn't exist any more, again, one day. But Beanie Babies are dead. I'll tell you what else has value, dad, you should check it out if you have any old records, you have no idea like some old vinyl.
You know what I'm saying? If you have old records that used to spin, you should check the value of those because they have serious, serious they're shocking that they're making they're making their way back.
I think Billy's wrong about this Beanie Babies thing. I want to get into weirdest thing we've collected around here. Chris, what did you have on this subject? I mean, you guys talk about baseball cards, the first thing I think of is having a Beckett magazine. Did you guys ever have these the magazines that tells you the value of each card? That was the best. I used to love that. I had a backup magazine.
I had a Beckett magazine with Josh Beckett on the cover. I was like, whoa.
Oh, wow, what a hero.
Mike, did you did you collect cards? ROY Yeah, I was a sport I was a sports fan growing up in the 90s.
Of course, I collected cards. I used to love it. I I've lost all my cards, though.
I really wish that I was disciplined enough to just keep it in an attic or something for twenty five years. But yeah, I used to and I notice it's made a remarkable comeback, especially during the pandemic.
Here's the thing about Beanie Babies, Dan. You can Google valuable Beanie Babies, right. And you'll see somewhere that it says something called Princess the bear is worth five hundred thousand dollars. Now find me the person on earth walking around with five hundred thousand dollars that says I want Princess the bear because that person does not exist. You could put whatever you want on there. You need to find someone that wants to pay five hundred thousand dollars for Princess the bear.
You say that, but have you guys seen during the last dance like what some Michael Jordan memorabilia out of nowhere was selling for like was auctioned off at Sotheby's for these crazy like oh handwritten love letter. Like if it was from some civil war general was selling for I don't know how many tens of thousands of dollars.
Princess Bear never had a flu game then. Fair enough, Billy.
I've actually gotten into Civil War and Revolutionary War era letters. It's pretty fascinating. For example, did you know that George Washington's first act as a leader in our army was that of a coward? Yeah, he surrendered, but because there was no fact checking really back then, it was all just sort of what he said against the word of free Internet free, and he just sort of constructed this whole, like, mythology around him like, no, I didn't really surrender and no, I didn't really break the agreement.
It was all in French. I didn't really understand. I'm a hero. Did you learn that in Hamilton? No.
So Hamilton got me. I love Hamilton, by the way. So have you. Oh, good. Have you guys heard of this? Hamilton. My God.
Gosh, you guys should check this thing out. I haven't really heard a lot of people talk about it, but Hamilton. So it's like this historical musical about Alexander Hamilton, but it's all in rap. It's incredible.
You should check it out. If you guys heard of it, then have you heard it? Have you heard of this? Hamilton?
You guys just heard of it when it became Disney, plus oversaturated promoted here all over the network like it's happening.
I can't I can't get these songs out of my head, Chris. So good. That's when I was Peasants' got to see it for the first time and you probably saw it front row. Look at the men when I was still doing it.
Is this the story of a guy who had a dream that a win a home run derby at Yankee Stadium that actually went out and did it?
I'm looking forward to the Josh Hamilton musical. Oh, no. This is about Alexander Hamilton. It was a little the first couple of times I saw it. I'm like, what is that on their head? Turns out they had their microphones attached to the front of their wigs. Crazy.
You guys have been in here singing Hamilton songs because is it because you're hearing them so much during the commercials on ESPN right now?
And now the commercials on ESPN Radio were very effective in getting me to want to watch this Hamilton, which I heard very little about before I heard those commercials. And wow, I've seen this thing three times. I've watched it three times. It is excellent.
Nothing that three times is nothing. I've seen it like seven times. I listen to the soundtrack, I listen to the soundtrack a lot. But it got me super into history and learning more about people like George Washington and Alexander Hamilton. And let me tell you something, George Washington Word Association, let me hear a couple of things. What what do you know about what allegedly onis what anybody wooden teeth is wooden teeth. One of the things that you've powdered wig owned slaves quietly.
So about the slaves.
I got grandkids already quietly. So that's exactly what I want to talk about. Right. So I always heard that George Washington had wooden teeth. Right. Turns out he didn't. George Washington's first acceptance speech was about three minutes long. Apparently it hurt. He had these dentures in because he had like some rotten teeth that were very painful. It's why he always looks so upset in all the paintings of him. Right. Turns out not wooden teeth in his mouth were actually real teeth taken from either dead slaves or living slaves that were compensated for their teeth.
He would pull out teeth from slaves and then put them in this contraption that he would put in his mouth. And he was just walking around with slave teeth. Put it on the pole, please.
Garmo Leadbeater. So does George Washington look upset in all of his photographs? Billy, you were shaking your head. No. While Mike was talking, what were you shaking your head no. About?
Well, because I found here highlighted on this thing, you can find this exact Beanie Baby, the white Beanie Baby millennium, very rare with extreme airs. You can find the exact Beanie Baby lycett as low as ninety nine cents and as high as fourteen thousand five hundred dollars and beyond. Unfortunately, this beanie has an average value of five dollars or less. Find me someone who's going to spend fourteen thousand five hundred dollars on something you can buy for ninety nine cents.
When the capital was in Pennsylvania, in Philadelphia, George Washington, as you know, a proud Virginian who had slaves working for him. This was one of the more progressive states in the union. They were leaders in the abolitionist movement in Pennsylvania. So they had a rule, no slaves in Pennsylvania. But if you were an out of towner that was doing the transition to Pennsylvania, you had six months to get rid of your slaves. George Washington in letters, even though he kind of got what he was doing, was wrong, wasn't quite ready to give up his slaves, and wasn't about this whole Pennsylvania abolitionist movement because he didn't want to give up his slaves.
So what he would do is you only had six months with these slaves. He would have his slaves working in units that would be in Pennsylvania for five and a half months at a time. However, there was this whole kooky loophole that the wealthy and powerful use in Pennsylvania. You could reset the six month timeline if you just hopped on a horse to New Jersey and came back. So George Washington was admittedly taking advantage of all of this so he could keep his slaves.
Roy, the reason I said George Washington quietly own slaves is because of how American history has been whitewashed in textbooks where George Washington, the Association for White People, is absolutely not the dishonor and the lack of nobility in owning slaves or fighting for the right to own slaves. It is not quite honest, Abe, but is George Walker. And the veneer of being totally polished, not wearing dentures, not in pain, in photographs, but a great leader who didn't surrender and just did a struggle and said, well, I didn't surrender.
Where's the proof? You show me the proof of God's. Why were you waving during all of that, that history lesson?
Why were you waving a baseball card at us in the Zoome Corey Kluber rookie card to say right now, little nugget. I don't want to be taken out of context.
George Washington obviously was a tremendous leader. You know, that that iconic photo of him rowing across the river that was on Christmas, like he was a brilliant general. But at the start of his career, it was he was learning through trial and error. And yes, he was a slave owner, but he also did plenty of good. I think you should look at history for its merits. You shouldn't just gloss over the fact that he held held slaves, but you also shouldn't just discount him as one of the great founding fathers of this nation.
To God's hasn't listened to a word you've said. He I've seen him. I've watched him this entire segment.
What happened to send you rookie? Oh. Oh.
Do you really have guys do you believe that Synagogue's has three Barry Bonds rookie cards that he would show us on the Zoomer? Is he going to claim that he can't find them or he doesn't know where they are or something like that, like a safety deposit box or something?
Man has no, no, no. God, I really do have them. Surprisingly, the Topps cards are only like eighty five dollars each right now. I thought they'd be more valuable. They're not going to increase in value as Bonds gets older, usually once they get to the Hall of Fame. But that's never going to happen. Do you guys on George Washington died?
It's fascinating how he died. So George Washington had a throat infection that nowadays could be cured in ten minutes with antibiotics. But George Washington didn't just die of that. George Washington was a believer in bloodletting. He thought just simply releasing his own blood by the buckets would cure him of whatever was ailing him. So it turns out he bled to death and died of this infection. However, his last words to the people around him, some of them slaves, was don't bury me for three days because he wanted everyone to make sure he was still dead to God.
Can you help me understand whether you've made a good deal on your likeness? You gave it away to a baseball card company. I see you always signing these things because fans are getting a student's card. You've signed, I don't know, thousands of those cards because people send you these cards of you as Guy Fiete and they are rare cards. Yeah. And not many people have them, but you've seemed to have signed all of them that are in circulation.
Was the deal you signed on that any good or did you get ripped off?
I will. I've signed hundreds fans have sent them both to the house and to our studios. A little bit creepy that they send them to my house to have me sign them. It's on the back of their house. I got ripped off. I will be honest with you. I probably like those cards or sell on the secondary market for a lot. And when I was made to do that, I'm on eBay right now.
You could buy for ninety nine cents, but I cost more to ship it. That's it. Yeah. It costs you five times as much to buy it as it does to ship it.
Since we got sidetracked from playoff basketball, which I imagine we'll be talking about during the radio show, I wanted to get back to the weirdest things among us that we've collected to see if we can find some weird collections. I've told you before that I used to collect beer cans, that that was something that I did in my childhood. All over my walls. There were beer cans. I remember going to a place that I thought was like a paradise treasure center, which was just a dump of beer cans or a recycling dump, like crawling through some barbed wire and going and finding what were largely not rare cans.
But sometimes there would be some rare ones in there. I was about 44 years old at the time.
And there when you surprised me with that, Joe, is it real rare? I didn't see that one coming. I feel like I surprise you guys plenty with that joke.
No, no, no, no, no, I don't. We just allow you to think that the charm of that Mac that we see coming is like the charm of it.
All right. Put it on the pole, please. Do you always see Dan's age joke coming? Yes or no? But do we have any weird collections in our midst? Because I don't believe that we got any answers, for example, to whether or not Chris and Roy collect baseball cards, whether we could find in Greg Coatis garage some baseball cards from 30 years ago, Chris, that you were collecting. I want to get into that with you guys.
So, Roy, yes or no, you collect baseball cards when you were a kid?
No, I never really collected baseball cards, though. During the year. You got his charges. Super Bowl in ninety four at the NFL experience. And they had like a card set up a whole bunch of cards and I ended up with some hockey Pogs, POSIX Pogs brought me back with that.
He just got me slammers and Pogs. I remember the Marlins had a Pog giveaway. Couldn't wait to get my pet wrap POG. Oh, Pogs brother sent me back.
I had a phase where I collected Pogs, I collected Pokemon, but I never knew how to like really use them. I just collected them like I don't like. How did you actually play the game? I have no idea.
Oh, you play for keeps on Pogs. Right. Roy, everybody, you got you got to get your Pog mat and you got to get the excitement. Everybody had their go to slammer. You have those big tubes to see all the. I remember like I was I was just running it in the POG collection game and we play for keeps when you play with me. And then parents started getting upset because kids were crying because I took their valuable Pogs.
I'm like, don't don't play for keeps.
If you can put your money where your mouth is, kid, this is where your gambling addiction started. I think so. Playing for keeps and Pogs because I would never play for keeps them like no, I went to the store because that was a thing. The store I went to the store, I went through the bins of the pods of different values. I chose the Pogs that I wanted that were like twenty five cents. And then sometimes I'd splurge on the dollar.
Pog and I'm going to give you my dollar POG because that's worth four twenty five cent Pogs. Dan, I don't know if you know that so and then I like my slammers. Some of them have like a little like razor type edge thing. Those are dangerous. Don't do that. But Fonzarelli, a lot of my school also and if you work with Pogs outlawed. Yeah. Oh yeah.
Because people were doing stuff like me because parents would just complain, hey this kid. So my other kids pogs know you've lost fair and square. If you want to play, if you want them back, you have to play me, dad. Oh man. You guys just made me think of pencil breaks. You guys ever do pencil. So breaks just like, come on, I had such a strong pencil. I think I had one pencil that went through every pencil for like a year.
There were plastic spoons and I did to bend the corner, the back of it.
And you go like that and you try to break it. The thing about that is that those spoons were provided by the cafeteria where pencils you have to go out and buy. So I'd rather break plastic spoons and pencils. Yeah. Do you have any idea what they're talking about?
I mean, I don't know what Pogs are. And furthermore, there I was just going to ask you guys if Pogs have value.
You know, nowadays, you know, they're these little, like cardboard circles. They were they probably took a half a penny to make, but they blew up. And it was like for six months, it was really like a star streaking across the sky. It was gone really before it even arrived.
It got outlawed and was gone before. And it was all the rage.
And I keep thinking, Pogs are going to come back. Pogs for sure going to come back. They never did. I mean, I remember they were advertising on Nickelodeon, this POG maker, where you could take, like, your favorite toy and Libertador column and turn it into a POG. And by the time the commercials were running, by the time they started manufacturing these things, the iPod craze, it came and went, forgive me, Chris, because I also didn't understand the link you were making between Pogs collecting and the breaking of pencils.
Can you please help me what you were doing there? Because it helped aid my confusion as someone who doesn't. What Pogs, are it's a tangent that has nothing to do with Pogs, it's just that time of my life that I used to think in school you'd have a pencil and someone would hold their pencil out vertically. No, I used to do that, too.
I used to do that to those pencil fights. Put it on the pole, please give outlet Batard show in school. Did you have pencil breaking fights with your friend?
Also, real quick, because Tony does the labeling on this big suey, I know Tony's probably way too young to know what Pogs are. You need to get the spelling down on Pog. Do not copy AWG.
That is a totally different Pog urte what they're wondering will have. What did you find. What, what can you tell. You know, just not suitable. I don't know what that is we're talking about Pogs. I don't know either one. Wait a minute. I feel so left out now. I don't know the too dirty for work Pog. I don't know the young people but it's like I live in a nursing home already and everyone's talking about stuff that's not fair.
Then you know what pencil's.
Ah, yeah, that's very true. Look, talking about policies is not exactly a young people conversation. We're very quickly playing ourselves out of 18 to thirty four. If we're eighteen to thirty four, we're barely hanging on there. In fact, many of the people that we rely on to keep us young with 18 to thirty four are also older than thirty four year old people show we're the old people show now man just don't spell it p a w g.
OK, don't go doing a fire. OK, very good.
I still don't know what that is but I am super curious now.
Stands for something. OK, very good. So, Dan, Dan, you did pencil fights, you did that. What about taking your pencil and making a nice beat for someone to freestyle?
No, I didn't do that in high school and middle school, that was the thing either. I'm just happy I'm going down memory lane right now. What about not hockey?
Oh, is not hockey anything like making a paper football and sort of, you know, hitting across the desk and seeing what can hang off the end of the desk?
I don't know. You tell me, is hockey anything like football? Yeah.
What is the thing you're talking about? Hockey was a tabletop game and this was like if your mom ever ran late from work and you were left and because I don't know about you guys, but after school care, it was a very cliquey thing. You had the lifers, the people that weren't getting picked up, maybe ever, and they were they sat on one table. And then you have like, whoa, this is new to me. This is for my parents.
Just I happened to be accidentally late. What am I going to do here? And they would absolutely run these knock hockey games and it wouldn't even hurt your knuckles. Not hockey is not for the faint of heart.
No. And you really had to earn a goal and not hockey like they made it really, really difficult. Might they have to try and go right from the goal, which was basically the goal here? What a triangle. And that thing was on such a Kujo. I'm with Dan.
Table football was so much better than not hockey. That's that's an easy to see available.
I put it on the pole Garmo please. At Lebed Show, which was better not hockey or table football. I don't really like what's happening here to guys where Mike Ryan is saying that as we fall out of the 18 to 34 demo and that's the one that makes you popular, it's not the one where the money is because the other one I'm about to fall out of and we're very grandpas to God, you and me, but we got a real problem on our hands.
If these young people that are talking about all this young stuff that they're saying is not young stuff, we've got a real problem. If Roy and Billy and Tony and Chris and Mike are getting old, what the hell are we going to do as a sports radio show? Do not become Princesa. If all of a sudden those guys are becoming dads, we're going to be, you know, the grandpas around here, the nannas. Yeah, I understand why you're worried about it.
You just lean into it, man, your age. You try to age gracefully. You don't want to force 18 to 34. Look, we were we were on Twitch. And while that was exciting for us and we had fun on the platform, it went well. That is outside of our demo group, people like and we're not going to really pop the way that Coach Dugs will on Twitch because they got a younger fanbase. I think at this point you just got to lean into it and grow with your audience and then all of a sudden you become this establishment.
Listen, Dan, I got to be honest.
I look forward and I embrace turning into Francis and Hackleburg on the air. I do. In fact, I'm looking forward to it. And I'm with Mike. I think we just sink into it. We don't try to fight it. We enjoy, you know, the final whatever amount of years we have doing this. I've been looking forward to getting things on the air, to ordering a sandwich. I want to dissolve in front of a national audience the way princess.
And have you ever ridden a bike up a hill? The ride down is always so much more fun than the right to embrace the ride down. You don't have to pedal as hard. Just let gravity do its work.
And it's very easy for you to say Billy is the one who's going to be strapped to my back neck as we make our descent career wise like we've got no Billy's trying to say just dissolve, dissolve gracefully and Billy will be there for us.
But that's why I'm worried. Mike is sitting here saying that Billy is now also getting old, that Billy's going down the hill at the same rate of speed that the rest of us are. And did you hear, Billy, during the earlier segments like Billy was doing back in my days, basically about longing for these times when things could be easier like Billy was? Billy sounded older, like older than Cody earlier. Brian Cody, not Chris Cody. Greg Cody.