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So Billy ended the local hour by sort of whimpering, I may have been wrong about Charles Johnson, and then Chris said something that made me think and I think this might actually be a game that even gets Roy involved. Chris then said nobody could ground into a double play like Charles Johnson. So true. I mean, and it got me to thinking, who are guys who if they hit the ball in the infield, hard, slow baseball history in the hole, it didn't matter.

It was going to be a double play. I'm really asking you, who are the slowest guys in major league history going to be catchers, right?

Well, no, I don't know if it's all catches, but there's no one slower in the history of Major League Baseball than C.J. CJK had a screaming ground ball to shortstop like he's he could hit a slow one, a fast one deep in the hole, not deep of the hole. C.J., I believe, never, ever beat out a double play in his life.

I mean, I think Benjie Molina from the Giants would like to see that this conversation.

I'm going to text Tim Kurkjian, who the slowest player in the entire Molina family could be in this discussion.

Stuart's got caught up in the air there and realized that if you hit a screaming ball to the shorts, you know, just about anyone past just about anybody is going to hit into a double play.

I feel like yachties fast for a catcher, right? Yeah. Could steal some bags. Ganny, he's an athlete.

He's an athlete for a catcher. But I just think of the entire Molina family as if they hit it on the ground in the infield.

Everyone, Mama Molina, I was going to say my sister Molina also Molina, slow all the Molina.

I'm going to go with Charley O'Brien with this one. Dan Wow.

Old school. This was Roy is going now. The other guys don't know who this is, but this is a backup catcher for the Mets and Braves who had a lot of curly hair. It's a fine choice, but not as good as Charles Johnson, I don't think, during the break.

Yes, Tony, I've got a two pair here of Prince Fielder and Big Papi, David Ortiz, two of the slowest guys in the league.

So then you reminded me by saying, Charley O'Brien, of what you got Scouts was muttering during the break saying he hated Walt Micheal's and he will never forgive Walt Michaels because Walt Michaels and Chris didn't know that name. And there's no reason for him to know that name was coach for the Jets in the 80s and is one of the reasons that Dugouts became a fan. Fagots was spitting at the television because Adam Geisa saying that he's he's pissed off and the Jets look, God Almighty, terrible.

I don't even know. Let me ask you guys this question. What's worse? First play of the game. Just a normal sweep goes for 80 yards or put this on the pole, GARMO or thirdhand 30 one hand off near your own goal line and it goes for fifty five yards against your jets. Which one which one made you curse at the television more.

Well, I didn't see seven nothing. My daughter took delight in calling me to alert me that the jets were already down seven nothing a minute into the game and 15 seconds into the game.

Mostert made his way down the field at twenty three miles per hour. It's the fastest anyone's run since they started tracking that stuff. So literally, that's about as fast as a human being can score a touchdown in a game. Well, that's why I brought up what Michael Steele during the break, my daughter said, Daddy, why did you do this to me? Like she was glued to the TV home opener. Forty Niners need the game. As always.

It's week two and it's a must it's a must win game for the Jets. And so she was excited for the injured daddy. Why did you do this to me? How when I go, it's what Michael's fault. It is what? Michael's fault.

He was just good enough as a head coach. The make the Jets just good enough in the early eighties that I was hooked and became a fan. And so now Rachels is walking around cursing. Well, Michael's yeah.

I heard of him that it has to be that third down play because they that stereotypical third in a million draw play like here, just here, take it, get the hell out of here. And he just read for fifty one.

That's there's nothing more demoralizing than that's the guys you know, because you're right, it's a throw away play that they somehow turned into a first down.

Again though, I want to revisit the Michael, I want to revisit the original point which is OK.

Since they started clocking the speed of human beings, no one has been faster like he ran away from your secondary.

And it was just the most simple. Like it's a play his oldest football, just it to the right to your running back and watch him make a sweep. It should never go for 80 yards. No, you never go for 80 yards because there are layers of defense and linebackers and secondary that is supposed to prevent that from happening there.

So if Russia and gas is going to get fired and listen, I become friendly with them. But I got to be honest, I was only friendly with him because he was the Jets head coach and perhaps he could provide me with some access. But he he's not going to last long here.

I like him as a human being, but he's he's in there and he's in big trouble. Sam, Donald has gotten worse since Adam Gase, the quarterback whisperer, has gotten there and Ryan Tannehill has gotten better since Casey left them.

Well, you mentioned the skill position help that Josh Allen now has your skill, guys.

We have no one. Good God, nobody. How is that possible? Like, how is Sam Garland supposed to do anything with those skill guys?

And then you have his GM, Joe Douglas, who signs nothing but offensive linemen. I mean, that's all he signs the entire offseason that guys you never heard of. And here's the problem. It is Joe Douglas's job, the fire at him gaze. And the only reason Joe Douglas has that job is because I in games, Adam gets hired him. It's a complete disaster.

They got rid of their only Robby Anderson, who was one of their athletic guys. They got rid of him. So it's just interesting decisions. And I just realized something. Chris Forester, the guy that did cocaine or white substance as the Dolphins offensive line coach, now works for the San Francisco Forty Niners. So last night, his third and thirty one play was his offensive line. I just felt like that's a funny Gaist was his coach. He fired up and that guy gets rehired with the Niners and gets that play.

It's going to end up getting gas fired.

What a weird world we live in the Jets. The Jets have four guys that they dress at wide receiver and two of them got hurt yesterday during the game. So that explains part of it. But do you realize and Chris was asking during the break, he was wondering if a whole new legion of Jets fans were fooled by a couple of those Rex Ryan years and now will have the eternal curse of Jets fandom on them. But do you guys realize this is what I'm about to say is it would be funny if it didn't make me want to sob at the microphone.

We have started every damn season around here with the Jets and the Dolphins feeling this way after two games. How long has it been since it used to be the bills, too? Now the bills are better and they can't all start that way because they've got to play each other some times in the first couple of games. But the jets and dolphins have started like this. It feels like I don't know if it's actually true. The Dolphins might have won a game somewhere in here, but I can't.

Am I wrong in saying I can't remember the last time the Dolphins started? Ten or no. Was it like Dave Wanstead, Sam Madisen team? Like, when's the last time the Dolphins started to know where they would get you excited the way. Bills fans are excited now or Seahawks fans are excited now where, you know, you have a good football team. I'm not. So I feel like it's too and I was not that like a team could stumble upon to it.

So I want to say maybe in the last five or six know what I'm supposed to write. I feel like we've done this show after week two about the Jets and the Dolphins specifically where they're irrelevant since we were arguing whether you'd rather have Bills quarterback Ryan's for Ryan Fitzpatrick or Jets quarterback Mark Sanchez.

I think you're right. I mean, I want to back to back AFC title game.

They did. The Jets have had some recent success.

The Dolphins have they haven't had much superior since 2009, 2010, it sounds like a lot sooner, but usually they're usually spaced out, you know.

Thirty years in between. That was you know, that was only ten years ago. You put it on the enjoy it, put it on the pole is too is having success in 2009 someone having recent success when you've had no success. Yes. Yes or no, because it really does feel like we have been talking the entire time this radio show has been on the air about how unbelievably shitty the AFC East always is. And it usually arrives the scent within two or three games where, you know, oh, look, half the half the division, their season is over.

Am I reading this correctly? The Dolphins got off to a three and start two years ago, is that right? I think they beat the Titans, the Jets and the Raiders with Tannehill is the quarterback. In twenty eighteen, they lost to the Patriots. Thirty eight to seven. I have an update from Tim Kurkjian.

I reached out to Tim Kurkjian about the slowest players to ever play Major League Baseball. He first just hit me with a fun fact that Albert Pujols has three hundred and ninety eight career ground to double plays. So that's pretty impressive. But I don't think that's in his top three because and I said, give me your top three slowest players ever. So now I have three players and I feel like I won this game because one of them is Benjie Molina and the next guy is Matt Wieters.

So apparently Matt Wieters extremely slow and this next guy I've never heard of. So hopefully Dan and you guys can help me out. The third guy, Ron Hassey. All right.

I see left handed. Get your ass. Yes.

I don't think that any of those guys were slower than Charles Johnson. Chris, I know that one of your favorite things in the world is that you have the access to Tim Kurkjian to ask him questions like this. But can you just can you just text him? Dan is saying that you are a failure because you have egregiously forgotten Charles Johnson and just see what his response is or if you want me to do it, I'll do it if I don't feel comfortable.

I did mention Charles Johnson to him like that was the basis for this conversation. So maybe he didn't give me back like Charles Johnson because I had already mentioned that.

So that was a little biased to guys. Twenty fifteen. The Jets started to go against the Browns and Colts and then they went four out of five beating the Dolphins in Washington also. Yeah. And when season twenty fifteen.

Yeah. Recent success.

It's so depressing. I hate them isn't it. Oh like I mean how I hate the dolphins. I don't know if you're a fan of them. It's annoying. We live down here.

They're never good. The reason those two got the reason that I say I have this feeling that none of these teams have started to snow in this decade is specifically because every single time that I'm thinking to myself that the dolphins are God awful. The Jets provide me solace on a Monday where I can, you know, how long I've been making fun of you for your Jets fandom and the Dolphins have been just as bad, but the Jets lose in ways that are even more like the Dolphins, at least were respectable.

In the first two games of the season. The Jets extinguished all hope in these first two games where, you know, your team is putrid, like, you know, it's not going to do anything. It's going to be constipated on offense all year, even though, you know, you got your team ownership. Still saying that Adam Gates is a brilliant mind, right?

Well, he's not. And, you know, the Jets are minus twenty eight through two games. I think that's the worst. The NFL to them of the Houston Texans, which is funny. They're just stand there.

Not they're not a well-run organization. They never had been. They never will be. And I blame all Michael. I'm telling you, I also blame Gastineau Klecko Salom, I blame the stock exchange, I blame Richard Todd for having beautiful wavy hair, because I'll tell you, the Jets were just good enough and just exciting enough to lure in this 12 year old kid from Long Island to go out to Shea Stadium and watch them every Sunday. They were just good enough and just exciting enough.

I blame Lance Bell, who is perfect for issues.

Those two guys. The turf was a mess yesterday. Their turf was an absolute mess.

Just who is Salaam? Salaam was one of the was part of the stock exchange, Marty Lyons, Gastineau Salaam and Joe Klecko. They were just good enough there and they were exciting. I mean. That was a team, the teams that struggled says, mentioning we are longing for a time in the mud when A.J. Duey was making interceptions because the dolphins and jets were playing in the AFC championship game, they played in the eighty two, I think AFC championship game three interceptions.

I think that's the game where Don Shula cheated. The Jets and the Dolphins, I guess that's where the rivalry comes from. Where did he cheat? How did he cheat?

I think he wandered the field something to meet that field and get muddy up the field. What do you make of the slow track? The jets were fast. It was raining when Don Shula made it rain.

And I don't know. I mean, Roy, I'm certain he knows what I'm talking about because he was laughing. He turned the light on something.

He was laughing. The reason that Roy was laughing because you desecrated the name of one of the most integrity soaked men in the history of sports who also, you know, passed away recently. That's why Roy was laughing because of how disgraceful it was what you did, where you simply called Don Shula a cheater because it rained.

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Got a handful of things that I want to get to the agitated among you tend to take stuff like this seriously with your fandom. Mark Rick, the former University of Miami coach publicly picked against Miami before the game against Louisville. We'll get to that in a second. Also want to get to LeBron being upset about finishing second in the MVP voting. But before we do that, because I can't think of a whole lot of things sillier arguing on sports radio about whether someone should be first or second or third in the MVP voting.

But it's not me and you arguing it. It's LeBron. I know.

But people are then arguing on behalf of whether or not he's right, that you have a right to be pissed off. Right. And, you know, Ramona Shelbourne said publicly that she prefers a narrative based MVP vote and she voted. She was among the 15 who voted for LeBron James for MVP or the 12 or whatever it was. Hasn't he reached the point in his career where he's kind of above these minor, like, bickering things, right, where he's like, I only got 16 points and Yoni's won Back-To-Back MVP is like, I don't even count of his MVP unless I win a championship.

And LeBron, who's about to win a championship or trying to win a championship, is saying like, oh, no, I should have been the MVP. Like, shouldn't he be above this at this point in his career?

I think he's trying to build up the resume. He's only got a few years left to kind of build it up with championships and with MVP. I think that's what players are kind of defined by, the definitely defined by rings that certainly MVP's, I think, is the next thing, the all time greats.

But no one's going to question whether or not he's an all time great like people think he's the greatest of all time. Him and Jordan, like, what is one more MVP really going to do in that discussion?

Who broke a glass? What was that sound? Where did that sound come from? Is that a child at Roy or Chris is or is that Billy's dog? What what was that sound? Do you know that was a fork falling?

My dogs had quite the morning.

The other things I wanted to talk to you about before we get to Colby Covington, because I think that that story is interesting. Even though we don't have the sound for you right now, we're having some audio difficulties. I wanted to ask Chris and Dugan's if they saw what happened with Danny Lee this weekend, trying to putt again and again. I think he's six putted from three feet away. And I couldn't believe what I was watching. This is a professional golfer, but you guys don't have any idea what I'm talking about here.

And I understand there's no there's too much sports going on right now. So every time I'm asking somebody whether they saw something or not, the answer's always, I'm sorry. I had five screens up. I wasn't watching Danny Lee at that particular moment. Why were you watching Danielle?

Because I thought it went viral. I would have thought you as a golfer would be someone who would think to himself, wow, that's a professional golfer. And what just happened to him is something that happened would happen to me.

Yes, Chris. Yeah, it was on the 18th hole I saw. And then he withdrew right after. I mean, it was rough. It looked like Greg Kody out there, like like I've never seen a pro have six putts from inside four feet. That was insane.

No, but we can relate to that. Or you would I like the everyday golfer, could relate to that because we've all been there. Now, we won't count on our scorecard, but we've all been there. Right. We'll usually just pick it up after one or two and just put it in our pocket to go away.

But to Dan's point, I've been there, but I don't know if I've been six putts within four feet, like I've like four putted or maybe five putted, but that's six putt. Like, that's legitimately bad. I mean, especially for a golfer.

It absolutely went viral because as I was driving in, my wife has been watching Good Morning America. And she texted me, oh, my God, my heart is breaking for this golfer because and this is early. Good Morning America.

This is a really Good Morning America went to with all the sports going on. They went to poor Danny Lee.

Yeah. This is something you have to see. This is WaterCooler Talk. Danny Lee's meltdown at the U.S. Open. Cynthia would not stop texting me about it. Yeah, it was it it's terrible to watch.

It's that third Puckridge Chris, where he just gives up. He misses the first two and then just slams the third one ten feet past the hole and he just gives up and.

No, that's my bad. That's my bad. I was I had my hand up, but I got Chris. No, I'm just saying, what's the equivalent of that in other sports? Like, give me something else in another sport. That's the equivalent of that. Anderson, Nic Anderson, that's why that's what I thought of originally, but that's just missing. Yeah, but this is like Nick Anderson missing a layup six times. Yeah, he keeps getting his own rebound, putting it back up.

It keeps missing the layup. Well, then, Rick Ankiel, Jon Lester refusing to throw to throw the first, I think, baseball randomly. There's so many parallels in terms of YIPES. Baseball and golf, even though the sports are remarkably different. It's weird how the mental aspect affects us so much.

Actually, there was some European soccer play a couple of weeks ago, Mike. Some guy had a cross and he had it like right in front of him at the far. Like it was the most insane Sittar system, as they call it, in soccer. When you miss an easy goal, a sitter.

It was insane, Chris, I would say, and highly questionable, loves to air just soccer incompetence. And we have a ton of it, like just goalie after goalkeeper after keeper missing easy shots or just whipping on a kick. I have never seen a soccer play as bad as the one that you are talking about, where the guy had the ball inches from the goal that had no goalie in it and just sort of stumbled into the post and then the ball went out of bounds.

It was staggering. It is something that would not have happened to a toddler. And it is the single worst it's the single worst thing I've ever seen on a soccer field where a guy is just there. He's ten yards from anyone else. He's got the ball right in front of him and he just sort of falls down clumsily and into the into the post. I don't know how you sleep for weeks after that if you're a soccer player.

Well, the world's richest keeper right now, Chelsea, their keeper, is going through some mental stuff. He kicked the ball directly to a Liverpool player and Chelsea signed a new keeper. But they purposefully didn't put it out on Twitter because they this keeper's so fragile, they didn't want the announcement out there in social media on the eve of a big game against Liverpool. And I shit you not Chelsea got a red card because the defender didn't trust his keeper because it was a one by one situation.

So he brought the guy down and then he just kicked the ball directly to a Liverpool.

Mike, have you ever seen a play as bad as the one that me and I know that that was that was bad, but I didn't really recognize the uniform.

So this stuff happens. I don't know. I'm not really watching the Turkish League, the Champions League semi-final with Pep Guardiola and Raheem Sterling's mis against Leon right in front of the net. That's the worst I've ever seen.

I want to go back to that was worse in terms of like the moment of it. Yeah, I don't know if that was like this one, though, that we're talking about was just in terms of the science of it, like, how did you physically miss this?

I have no idea how that happened. I've watched it several times. The signs of it. John Branca's needs to work on this one. I want to go back to what Dan said on LeBron because I was handling audio issues and I was screaming because no one could realize what LeBron was doing. LeBron, I mean, I'm an expert when it comes to LeBron. I don't know if you guys saw he makes it a point to tweet about Joe Burrow while the Miami Heat are completing their comeback because he doesn't want anyone to think he's watching the Miami Heat.

This whole narrative thing that he was talking about in the voting, I don't know if you guys caught like Brandon Ingram is good and I'm happy for him. I thought he deserved the award, but how could you not give it to Devante Graham? You know what's happening there. You know exactly what's happening there. LeBron The GM shipped Brandon Ingram out for Anthony Davis. He doesn't want Ingram winning the most improved player. He wants seventy Graham win in that because that makes the trade look worse.

How can you guys fall for this? And it was all self-serving. He had a point, by the way, about 2012. He deserved the defensive player of the year. Absolutely. He lost out to Marc Gasol and he's just saying, how do I lose out to a guy that didn't even finish first team all NBA? A great point, but it's all self serving guys. That's the LeBron thing. When he writes leader on his shorts, he's leading for him.

Now, I guess to Billy's point, isn't he above this?

Isn't he pass this defense in his defense. He doesn't get enough attention. People don't give him enough for the fight for his own like love if he's if he doesn't do it. So that's who's going to give him credit and love and appreciation if he doesn't ask for it himself.

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I'm not watching late night TV. I'm not watching any comedian stand up, deliver anything where there's no fan reaction. It's said it makes me it makes me feel bad.

So people were not at the awards like people were at home, I guess, where they zoomed in. Is that how it was working?

And so they they had a handful of people there, though, that they would have come out to announce stuff. But most public, they had over one hundred and fifteen zoom cameras. So it was like, well, the majority of it was on Zoom.

So did they send out, like dummy trophies for people to hold or like did people like have a box?

And they opened the box and if there was an Emmy in it, they wanted and they didn't physically hand the Emmys to anybody. I thought they were I saw people in joking, like hazmat suits. Like I know that the the Schitt's Creek crew was having their own party, like socially distant, where they were all together. But I thought I saw them doing a joke with some guy in a hazmat suit bringing them there. And India has an embassy there.

I guess I the people I saw winning an Emmy were giving speeches into their cameras, but they weren't given anything. They weren't handed anything. That's I mean, the ten minutes I saw.

That Miss America won something, the unorthodox one, something. It was dark when I. Now, one of the actresses, I think. Are you guys likes to gods where all this stuff is so sad, it's so not normal, it's so weird that you don't even want to watch it because it's going to disorient you and remind you that nothing is normal outside.

It's the only thing that's working for me without fans is the thing that I thought was going to work the least. Paul, it's unbelievable.

Works without fans. It's fine. I can't believe that football the football experience doesn't seem much different at all.

I like the awards show. You guys want to talk. Emmys like that feels different during all of this. I'm the sports stuff. I've adjusted golf, baseball, basketball. I've forgotten about fans. I'm like digesting all this sports. Maybe it's because the Miami sports all of a sudden are very like these games are important. So maybe I'm just invested, but I'm not feeling any of this stuff.

So you got to saying baseball kind of works for me as well. Golf, I need the fans, individual sports cottony the fans, but more more so in the late night circuit. What I'm talking about is when a guy Kimmel delivers a monologue from his house, you know, no Jelena's air. He's not wearing a suit. There's no fans to react. And to me, it's just sad. Like it's not funny. It's not entertaining at all.

I watch it.

That's not what yesterday was. Bill Maher has been that it is felt to know a note off the John Oliver show has figured out how to do something that is very similar to what they do. But it took them a minute. Kimmel was in an antiseptic studio last night and occasionally people would come out and Kimmel sense of humor is such. I didn't watch enough of the Emmys to know whether what I'm saying is so or not. But Kimmel sense of humor is to descend into the sewage and the muck.

When things go wrong, when things go wrong and are awkward, it's even better for what Jimmy Kimmel does because he he doesn't get spooked by it. He doesn't get embarrassed by it. He sinks into it. And there there were a lot of deji moments with the video during what it is that he was doing. And again, a totally antiseptic room, right. Where occasionally a famous person would come out and greet him from a distance. But it was weird.

It's another reminder when you're watching television that things in the country and the world are not any kind of sane or normal like you couldn't help but watch that. One of the things about all those silly award shows that that makes them usually popular television viewing experiences is they're just big, they're big. You've got all these famous people in one place being big and famous and important and orchestras and everyone's all dressed up. And when everyone's from home, there's there's just no way, no television does not have the capacity to make it big.

And yet, what have we said about the NFL and the Super Bowl? They do big. Well, somehow the NFL continues to feel every bit as big with the televised viewing experience, even though you don't need fans at all. I've been just as surprised by that. I thought it was going to be a big impact. And there's next to no impact, like next to none. Basketball is a note off without the fans. Baseball feels a little sad when there's a walk off Homer and there's no one there.

Even the Laker buzzer beater yesterday, even with the stakes, you realize there's no one there to celebrate that with them. So they're jumping on each other, but it's just one hundred people and nobody else in the in the facility. The the Emmy's thing is start, though you can't help but notice. Oh, wow. This is like somebody pinprick a balloon on entertainment.

I think with football, what's working is you get field shots. So you really don't notice the fans, the mass the coach are wearing and some of the all the stuff that the way it's stuff they could wear anyway on a cold day. So it doesn't really look that much different. They pump in the decibel level in a way that I could hear it on my TV where it almost sounds like a football game at times and they time it pretty well.

It's it's been super surprising. And the quality of football, though, bunch of guys got injured and everyone's talking about the lack of preseason games at training camp. The quality football has been tremendous. You had two great games yesterday.

Who did you choose to watch or what did you choose to watch last night? What was your choice from among all of the options until I watched Sunday Night Football?

OK, so do you know the number that I'm about to give you here in terms of how much of the offense Cam Newton was responsible for last night for the Patriots? Did they say it on the telecast? This is from NFL on CBS.

I mean, it had to be a lot, obviously. Well, they had four hundred and sixty four yards.

What do you think Cam accounted for? They had the Patriots had four hundred and sixty four. More yards right in week two against a good Seahawks defense. I'm going to say like two eighty four, forty four or forty four, 96 percent.

And also this is from Brian New Neuhauser name Howser. Excuse me. This is what he says. I did not know this. Cam Newton has rushed from the opposing one yard line 19 times in his career. He had never lost yardage before. Last night.

It was it was pretty predictable that play call, I will tell. But he's the best goal line. Brady is like you always know that he's going to run it from the goal line and no one's ever able to stop it.

He's the greatest goal line threat in the history of the game. I saw a tweet that the last three times the Seahawks and Patriots have matched up, the game has ended at the one yard line, and it's the team with the ball at the one that has always lost.

Its funny. That is funny. It was only because they had run that play a couple of times. It seemed like you knew that's what they were. They would be even Collingsworth said they haven't stopped it. You might as well. Right. You got it. You got it. You got it right with that play call. I know a lot of people are criticizing it, but you go down with the greatest ever to do that outside of Tom Brady, as you mentioned, the greatest of all time.

Yeah, their fullback got blown up on that play. Yeah, like that. Like it wasn't Cam's fault. They're like it was insane. Like the defender just blew up that fullback.

Russell Wilson is the best quarterback in the game, isn't he? Mahomes. Oh, Mahomes.

I keep forgetting about that MVP there is this guy. Russell Wilson is not far behind guys. If he's behind it all, that's that's fine.

But just because you forgot him doesn't mean he's not behind him. Forgetting about that guy who blew the who blew up the fullback. Was it when Vick because this guy is putting on some tape. I don't know if you saw what he did to Carlos Hyde in that game. Carlos Hyde, not a bad pass blocker. He's still in the league in part because he's a decent pass blocker. This Wenedyk guy, his body is transformed and he's just racing dudes.

Let me ask you guys this question because it's something I don't remember why it is that this I thought about this yesterday, but during our time coming up in sports, throughout the Walt Michael's time of coming up in football. Yeah. You know, Mike Singletary at middle linebacker gave the torch over to Ray Lewis at middle linebacker. And, you know, in there somewhere, Brian Urlacher got a lot of fame because he was a middle linebacker. Is there a guy right now in the sport, is there somebody in football that you associate with that position specifically where you're like, I know Bobby Wagner is a great linebacker by every metric, but I was to quickly, I think is there a guy right now that you think of when I say middle linebacker, menacing, going to be all over the field, going to be somebody who's problematic and if not, right, because I don't know if this has shifted.

I didn't know the answer to my question. It was just a thought that came to me a lot while watching the games. I'm like, is there a really famous, menacing middle linebacker who's considered a game changer? One of the things that happened in that game last night. Is Jamal Adams Edelman had with Cam Newton Edelman, had a career day, somehow second game with Cam Newton, he had more yards than he ever had in a game with Tom Brady.

Hundred seventy nine yards and Jamal Adams. Some people are pointing out that he was and I don't know how to do the measurements on this, OK, because safety is a difficult position for me to measure as a, you know, a lay observer on this stuff. But somebody mentioned that Edelman was six for six whenever Jamal Adams was anywhere near him. And people were talking about also Jamal Adams being all over the field in that game in a way that made me conjure the idea of the middle linebacker who's always there for twenty tackles.

Well, I don't know if you noticed what happened to the safety lining up next to Jamal Adams. Diggs got ejected from that game. His replacement, Blair, got hurt. So I'm sure whoever was a third string safety lining up next to Jamal Adams calls all sorts of communication problems and positional problems lining up next to Jamal Adams, which in part probably contributed to how Edelman was doing because they actually were doing all right against the pass. And then all the injuries and ejection started happening in that Seattle secondary.

And now all of a sudden, New England's having a lot of success throwing the ball Adams at ten tackles at a sack.

But Pete Carroll said afterwards, he said, I've never had a player who just won't call defensive play and he just does whatever the hell he wants to do. He's not paying attention to me. He's paying attention to what's going on on the field, trusting his film study and then going out and having a position. I just make an incredible play. OK, but my question to you is this right? Because Troy Polamalu used to make Peyton Manning crazy that way because he would play football that way and you couldn't study it because Junior Seau used to do the same thing.

But this is from Seth Walter. OK, and this is per NFL next gen stats. You tell me what to do with this is I ask you, as somebody who did not watch that game, does not know what happened in that game, and just reading about the game, you tell me whether Jamal Adams had a good game. When I'm presenting you with this stat, when Jamal Adams has been the nearest defender to the targeted receiver, the Patriots are six four six four one hundred and fifty seven yards.

So is that communication stuff that you're talking about? Is that like because I really don't know how to do the measurements with some of this stuff you got, and I don't think the audience does.

It's also a bad matchup, having a safety. I don't care how good you are. An athletic you Warren Adams is great on Julian Edelman. That's never going to be it's never good. You've got to match.

You're going to exploit that. And Jamal Adams has kind of been a confusing case study in terms of the analytics, specifically because he does so many things that are intangible, related, where he's in a position where he probably shouldn't be and ends up making a play. Teams have, you know, as a Jets fan. Yeah. Team have teams have picked on Jamal Adams before. But I think contextually there's enough to support Jamal Adams because that was a messy situation in that Seattle secondary last night.

They had having watched that game, I would tell you, just because he was all over the field, it would be nearly impossible. I understand the stat. I get it. But it'd be impossible for me to walk away thinking I was playing a bad game.

A guy's a menace. He's everywhere.

He looks the part and the post game has I heard Jets fans because he was so happy to finally beat the Patriots.

Is there a middle linebacker? And I know that I know Jamal Adams. I know these are disparate thoughts, OK? Because I'm just talking about that feeling of a guy is everywhere.

Yeah, no, you're absolutely right. I had to Google to see if I could come up with one, which sort of confirms your point anyways, because these are guys that should jump off the front. Is that seem related?

Is that something that has to do with defenses and offenses of change offenses are getting rid of the ball so damn fast?

I think what's change is and you pointed it out years ago, it's like getting a good line and be able to rush the quarterback with four. So now it's more about like Bozo's at Aaron Donalds and interior defensive linemen. The big stars, most like the default NFL defense is now a nickel. Right. You have an additional corner on the field at all times because the way that offenses are lining up is is different. So it also changes how the middle linebacker sort of plays.

Are we showing our ignorance, though? Is the audience listening to this and just rattling off a couple of middle linebacker names that we're not paying attention to?

Because I Googled a man like Bobby Wagner is the most famous one because he's a ninety nine on Madden. And I mean, let Bobby Wagner walk into an arena anywhere and have people tell you, oh, man, it's Bobby Wagner, I don't know, pro football focus like here.

The best middle linebacker in the NFL is like Eric Kendricks, Darius Leonard, Corey Lyttleton, Lavonte David, Lavonte, David Martin. You heard Mike Ryan's beloved Lavonte David.

You got real Smith, Blake Martinez, Joseph Smith, Danny Trevethan, CJ Wright. You don't even know that I made up Joseph Smith.

I mean, these aren't Harry Carson. It was a couple of. Smith, you threw at me there, I thought the Smith's one dominating the position.