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Welcome, Steven Levy, to really being honest about it, just a giant piece of shit to the big, silly Bald Eagles, a podcast exclusive that none of our bosses ask for.

More sports, more work, less pay.

I haven't stopped talking in a month.

I mean, I'll tell you, just when you thought the show couldn't be more dilutive than last time I listened to this show. I haven't listened for years.

Now, here's the marching bands. No way am I missing something.

What am I missing? The end of the story that pays Chris Fallica. It's Fallica he made on a penis and the habitual liar.

I didn't ask for any of us for all of it. The big Swede.

I'm Chris Codi BSP and. It was the most enjoyable actor of our time. Is it Leonardo DiCaprio? Oh, it's Denzel. Oh, wow.

What? You have to have more than one famous Jif.

So what if you have what if you have the most famous one? Well, for me, too, because Leo's popularity right now is often in the still image. And that is the one for tango, right? Yeah. He's got two from Django because there's also the zoom in where he just gives, like, one of those slight head nods. He also has from the wolf of Wall Street, I believe, the biting of the knuckle, Jeff.

And he also has the money, Jeff, also from Wolf of Wall Street, so he's certainly in the Mount Rushmore. What what are you mentioned? Denzel Washington? What are the nominees from Denzel Washington?

I feel like he has two that are higher ranked than any one. You just said he's he's got the he's got the one where people think someone's dead, where he is relieved, but he's like, relieved.

Like, who is that from the trading day?

Yeah, I think so. And then he's gone. That's fallen. That's from fallen.

All right. He's also got the one from flight right where he chugs the vodka.

Oh, see, I don't even think he's also got my man. Yeah, man.

Makes you think those are more prevalent than DiCaprio and Django pointing excitedly at something.

Because I saw that's once upon a time in Hollywood, Dan. And that one's also become a meme. That one's actually the pop, arguably the most famous one. I think this is one and two. Do we have another actor that is in the can even touch Denzel and Leo in this discussion? In terms of the we're trying to find the most affable actor right now who is seen in the most Meems, in the most GIPS, which actor has had the most roles that have become part of pop culture?

There's a great number of people that probably haven't seen once upon a time in Hollywood that are just using that meme of him smoking and pointing to the TV. So people now that's what pop culture is. Alfonso Ribeiro, Coltons going to live forever and people probably go up to him and say, oh, the Danja Jeff or something like that. They they probably don't even know him as Carlton in some cases because these things will live forever.

Once upon a time in Hollywood, didn't do what Tarantino wanted to do. Right. In terms of climb into the pantheon of his best movies, probably not.

It's always going to be Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction for him. I loved it and I didn't think it would be good upon multiple viewings. And it is because I was having this discussion with what David Samson on the local power, which is out now, perfectly understated roles that really hinge on your performance and you're not even knowing it while it happens. Because if if Leo overplays his hand, that film becomes campy. We're thinking about Jason Sudeikis and Ted LASO for this because that character can walk a very fine line.

It's tough to not come off as campy playing it the way he has to nail the performance for that show to work. And he does.

DiCaprio is a super discerning choice maker. Like there's just no way that guy makes any decisions, you know, flippantly or just because he's got some sort of friendship in the industry. It seems like his choices have to be meticulous because he he doesn't choose very much bad stuff and everyone chooses bad.

He's very careful. I know there's one famous example of him passing on a role thinking that maybe he didn't have faith in the source material or the filmmaker, but he actually passed on Patrick Bateman. This was after Titanic in Patrick Bateman's, the central character in American Psycho, which Christian Bale nails. And I guess it made bail. Yeah, cinematic history is better, even though Bale was a child star, newsis and I think Empire of the Sun too.

So Bill was having a nice career for himself. He would have been fine, but it made Bale a leading man. It made Christopher Nolan convinced that Bale could be Batman, which then took him to another level. But DiCaprio actually passed on Patrick Bateman, which turned out, I still think and this guy's got an amazing career. I think Patrick Bateman is Christian Bale's best performance.

So you can't find you guys don't have anybody that would end up in the rankings that Mike is talking.

Christian Bale, could you could make an argument for Christian Bale getting in that getable Mount Rushmore. Are you annoyed by how I pronounced Jeff? Because it could be Jeffard gif, and if you're a gift person, you could be really offended by what I'm doing. This is one of the many things we're fighting about in America today. Always I always catch shit for it. And I think we just need to relax generally or. Jeff. Yeah, Roy, I know you're off and on social media.

You nailed the dismount. I'm one of the greatest mama jokes of all time yesterday on Twitter. So burn for me, but. Hearty chuckle. Well, who are you putting in this Mount Rushmore justifiable actors thing? I'm still thinking about it. I actually would like to check the role to make sure I get this right. So we'll get back to you. Yeah.

Yeah. You're like Pennsylvania. We'll get back to you and chart your progress throughout this big city. Tony, do you have any more nominees? Most gettable actors?

I got Steve Carell, the bevy of ones that you can do from the office. That's incredible.

I also have Ron Swanson. From Park City, Parks and Rec, but I think to enter this discussion is you have to have multiple roles, feature prominently in Meems and Josef's. Ron Swanson is just one one character. And I know he has epic reaction shots, but there's some stuff from Anchorman that has become popular with Steve Carell. I know most of it is office reaction, but still you have to go Steve Carell over Ron Swanson.

Any women, any women make an appearance? I don't think so. Which really tells you a lot about us as a society. That does. Yeah, OK, who would you go to? Is the number one woman reaction meme or Jeff?

Well, I was thinking right when I was thinking at the top of the food chain where it regards moviemaking, Meryl Streep doesn't have much of anything like that. And I don't know. Yeah, I was racking my brain trying to think of anybody, Rachel McAdams, because I know she's got a meme.

Is it Rachel McAdams, the most memorable woman? Hmm.

You know, I just thought of one that's a male. It's not even an actor, but just a person that's very I mean, not to bring it here, but Trump is very joyful.

Yes. I was looking specifically for actors because he's got some pretty epic reactions that make it to lady. Is it was it a Real Housewives show that was pointing at the cat? Because she might be the one.

I mean, that's only one, though. That's all we got.

I love watching Trump dance like he's flossing his ears or as Colbert said on his Showtime special, like he's masturbating a couple of giraffes. It's a funny way to visualize the dance, the dancing with his hands.

Oh, my God, Tony. Tony's giving Tony. He's doing it. And now I see it. Now I see you see giraffes, right? Tony was doing the dance, and all of a sudden you're like, oh, wait a minute, what does he mean by doing that to giraffes? And then Chris is like, oh, what Tony's doing, where he is clearly stimulating giraffe that makes him unelectable, just like audin Tony, stop.

Tony is unelectable right now just for reacting to it. It's one of those things that I Lokey actually kind of get a kick out of is the Trump dancing. It's funny.

It's funny to me to to YMCA. Yeah.

I sound like a two minute montage that Fox News put on their network. When he wrote it up, he put it out, put it out. It's funny.

He put it out. He put that out. He put it out. He put a montage out of him dancing with his hands. He absolutely danced. He dances with his fists and only his fists.

The occasional point, the occasional point as it might be. It might be the modern day Karlton, because I may try that one out on Monday. Everyone knows a great dance. We should all wish he'd stop doing this. Why don't we start the national show with all of us doing let's all just do it silently and not even mention it. We'll just keep doing it for the first segment and not men.

But your body's moving a bit too much. I think it's just the fist. It's got the posture that he bends over his knees a little bit. Yes. You ask back, ask back what's a little back, arch into it and clap point and then it goes higher ROI.

We've got Aubrey Huff out there. Aubrey Huff is fighting on behalf of loudly on behalf of Trump. And I'm just curious whether you see the possible poetic justice in Atlanta and Detroit, like Atlanta and Detroit, specifically those two cities. I would pay a substantive amount of money to guys to have seen the aide who had to bring to Trump the information that the places that were tight in Georgia and Michigan that were votes not counted yet were black Detroit and black Atlanta.

Like I would have paid a good amount of money just to see the aide who had to bring that information to him, because Atlanta and Detroit, those are two like famously black cities. When you think you think of those two and you think of New Orleans in terms of black cities and the idea that at the end they would decide or possibly decide close votes, I can't imagine what what that had to feel like in the White House.

Ryan Gosling creeps into Mount Rushmore because there's a very famous hey girl meme that he is a part of. And also there's the reaction, Jeff, that he has. I think when Steve Carell, who you could actually add this is Steve Carell, Stalley. Tony, good shout is a crazy, stupid love where he's just reacting poorly to man.

Ryan Gosling is a piece in my God in every film.

What I think I figured it out. Robert Downey Jr. This is a good honorables.

Oh yeah. Let me see. It's better than Ryan Gosling. It's better. Yeah. You.

But I think we should just give a moment and all acknowledge what a dish Ryan Gosling is in that movie. Yeah.

Speaking of dishes, and I don't know where that expression came from in terms of describing someone as a dish. Those Hemsworth brothers.

Oh, Georges mouldering Josh Smoulder. I mean, what's what a DNA strand that God. Yeah, those parents are Olympians of beauty.

They have thorns. It's just not fair. Hi, Chris. Chris Hemsworth in particular, like he's got it. He's got it in the palm of his hands. A world. I mean, it just it just so put together. He's tall and he's charming. You shouldn't be allowed to be charming when you're that handsome. It's unfair.

Well, but that's that's the whole success of Deadpool. They chose him and they put him in a mask, right?

Well, Ryan, that's right. No, I'm saying that's the whole the whole Ryan Reynolds is those two things impossibly handsome. And also, hey, I'll sell you liquor on the side of a truck because look at me, I'm charming.

It's like the bizarro Zaslow theory, which is you can't be ugly and mean.

You can't be handsome and super charming, that technically he wasn't handsome in Deadpool. He was right. I was wearing a mask.

You could still get it with that. Even after the mask and all burns, you can still get it.

That's the move that for actors, right? Attach your name to a tequila and then go sell for two billion dollars. A couple of years later, he's got the gin. So annoying. I'll buy anything he tells me that guy's got it going on.

How was he selling like crazy. How do these people it's Russell Wilson spends over a million dollars on body maintenance and like two chefs, I'm like, you're wasting your money, pal. Pay whatever Chris Hemsworth is doing and Ryan Reynolds, because that shit is phenomenal. What they got cooking.

The issue with the Hemsworth brothers is that there's a lesser known. Third brother that is not charming, not handsome whatsoever. Imagine so imagine you walk into Christmas, your holidays or whatever, you see one brother, you see the other brother and you're like, who's that guy? Oh, that's our third brother, John.

His his name's got to be Karl. Right. Karl Hemsworth.

He's in Westworld, is he not? I think he's in Westworld. And when Westworld had its time in the sun for season one, you could imagine him like talking at the Thanksgiving dinner. You're all fours amazing. And then everybody's like, merry Miley Cyrus or whatever. And then he's like, well, I'm a bit player in this world. Thank you very much, Pacioretty.

It sounded a moment there like you were doing Sean Connery.

And it's clear his name must be Cliffe, even though it might not be a. I'm wondering, though, as God says, that it's the move to sell tequila outside of Ryan Reynolds and the Rock. Who are the actors you're thinking community that are out there?

When was the first one to do it? There are a lot more now, but I feel like it's a trend, right?

HEMSWORTH Hey, man, you're not seeing Luke Hemsworth is pretty handsome, Luke and he's the older brother. But I feel like I have to give him extra attention, maybe put it on the fridge. The parents, whenever there is a family, get together. It's like Westworld Season three, starting now on HBO.

Go, Mike, get any other family. He would be the most handsome man in that family. Yeah, OK. But not in this family. In this family. He's a little bit short. He's not nearly as good looking and they all make fun of them.

Yeah, it's sort of like you had the beer goggles and you were looking at Chris Hemsworth. And then you wake up next to this and you're like, I'm not exactly, but it's OK. I believe Bryan Cranston and Aaron Paul teamed up to get their own tequila brand out there. So how many? So we got Tequila's and Ginns because the rock is tequila, right? The rock is also tequila. Yeah, it's for a while there. Diddy and some others were doing some vodka.

But vodka is a scam. We've covered that vodka, all vodka the same roughly. There's only there's only a height limit that you can reach in terms of how good vodka can be. That's the game to get into because that's all branding Grey Goose is is vodka. That's popular just because the bottle is kind of smoky and cool.

Yeah, there's very little yeah. There's very little that you can do in the brewing process to, you know, make it a better vodka in terms of distilling. Guys, I just found out Craig Hemsworth is patient zero when it comes to this amazing DNA line. The dad I'm looking at pictures right now. His name is actually Craig. Like like somebody suggested it's Craig.

Well, no, no, this is not the older brother. This is the dad and Zadeh, because I am looking at him emerge from the shore surfboard get, you know. Exactly. He they get their looks. And I can tell from this photo because he's a cool that likes to surf. They get his charm. It's incredible.

I would like if if a genie popped out of a bottle my two wishes before the third one would be something to help society and would be good and meaningful and not quite this superficial. But one time I would like to emerge from the shore and not look the way that I do.

Emerging from the shore made to wonder why. Just look like I had more time. Just whatever the coolest people who emerge. Daniel Craig, James Bond, Speedo.

What do you like?

Flick your head back in the water, fly like just anything other than me emerging from the shore, which has some want to go to it.

Chris, you just emerge from the shore. You don't have to do anything. You are just I'm just amazed that you ask you are gorgeous. You don't have to do anything and you look better when you're wet.

I mean, that's it. I did as a grid. A punch. Yeah.

You look. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Yeah. I thought it wasn't really a punishment for. Yeah. That was the first time I saw Roy's legs.

I'm glad you mentioned that Dan, because this is what is actually getting me to consider these pool hats that I keep getting on my iji in terms of ads. I'm a sucker for a good ad and oftentimes I get burned because it doesn't fit my body the way that it fits these models in these ECGs. But the pool hat, because the very first thing I do when I emerge from the pool is try to get my my strands of hair in place because I don't want anyone to see exactly how bad my hairline is.

I feel like the pool hat can help my confidence overall.

You have had you have had when you were in your 20s on this show, you had a resplendent, flowing and enviable head of hair. You were the guy who could flip his hair out of the pool. You can throw your head back and the hair would all land in the right place. Now it's Tony.

Yeah, Tony's got an incredible hairline. Oh, Tony. Walking out of the ocean.

Oh, look at the Illuminists. Yeah, yeah.

Look at my God. It's just roll out of bed and you just. Your hair looks great. Yeah. What's your strategy? Is there some like some sort of oil in there, like when you got the green tea tree oil, Moroccan oils as well.

Are you being sarcastic because I'm legitimately going to buy these. No, I know Mike is writing them down. Yes. No, I've heard that. I don't know whether I think you have to start with the resplendent head of hair and then tree helps it, but it's not going to give you a resplendent head of hair.

I am fully embracing the fact that two years from now I'm going to stay from the shit and just be like short tea tree.

Tony, why do you ever wear a hat? And good God, you then it's just too much like I have like so much hair.

Why do you ever wear clothes.

Yeah, I won't exactly spell tea tree oil Tony. Tony emerges from the shore like Jason Momoa.

But of course this is grading on the curve. This is grading on the curve of me and Chris emerging from the shore and just sort of looking down the beach a little bit and being like, well, that doesn't look like Tony emerging from the shore. I so love that.

That is a dream of yours. You emerge right there. You should be able to throw your hair back. If I if I could combine these two things, OK, if I can combine the emerging from the shore with the walking away in slow motion from what is about to be an explosion, that is the cinematic way that I would like to be represented.

Upon my third wish, I would settle for just the courage to take my shirt off in front of my in-laws.

Rusty, stop shirtless. Rusty, Chris, Chris and I were sharing photos last night of Rusty Staab, and Chris was convincing me with younger Rusty stop photos. He's like, look, he's pretty handsome for a young man and. When I sent him back, old barbecue rusty stuff late in his life and and he looked a little more like Charlie Weis of Charlie Weis was read in a little bit taller. That's great.

Tip Gourgeon got back to me, by the way, in the greatest pinch hitter of all time. It's Gaits Brown. I don't know that is, but I thought to be Rusty Stobie, he said Rusty to stop five Gates Brown, greatest pinch hitter of all time. I'll look them up. I'm assuming he's an older player. The rare to last names.

I feel like we had a big blind spot yesterday when nobody said, Hey, Julio Franco.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a professional hitter, Julio Franco.

That's a hell of a recommendation, by the way. Tea tree oil. You made it sound like it's one word. It's actually like ti and tree, like the awful drink that they make fun of on Ted LASO in tree. So not one word. Common mistake again, Mike, it's not going to help you. It's just going to oil up. Yeah.

Which is going to make it worse. I saw this. I'm like, no, I can't because if I put something in my hair then it gives me the wet look and I don't have the volume to pull that off. So no dice on this. Is there like a powder that I can put on my hair that makes it extra thick and make it look down?

Gomaa Yeah. Yeah, but you had hair in a candid interview. Maybe I'm going to try that shit out. Well, for those of you wet hair that can for those of you who don't know, including evidently the gods, even though we've told this story ten times when my hair would get patchy on television, one day you got those overhead lights. It's a nightmare. On the set of PTI, the makeup person came out and it felt like I didn't know exactly what that person was doing.

Right, because I just sit in the chair and I'm just waiting to get started and go on television. And now I want you to imagine, like salt and pepper shaker sort of being shaken on your head with gray stuff that is meant to sort of clean up some of the patchiness that you might have, sort of spackle, some potholes.

And so it was, again, I don't know, like you would movie theater, popcorn, salt, like the way that you would just throw it on. Somebody said that is the way that that was done. And I do not do that anymore. I do not have to do anymore. But it's it's been something of a weird late in life improvement where it hasn't I shouldn't say improvement. It just hasn't gotten a good deal worse.

Oh, dog, show me your ways. Because what happened to you, Mike? What happened to me? Anxiety, probably riddled with anxiety, losing hair, also growing old.

I guess that's what a child was. Probably everything leading up to it, to be honest. But the hair, the hair in the can thing always interest me because you remember that that toy that when you were at the pharmacy, you would just go look at the shitty toys that they had. And it was like this face that you would get like this pen that had a magnet on the bottom and then you would just color in like hair and a mustache.

That's what that should look like, the hair in the can. Honestly, I think that's what I'm looking for.

What is that game that you're talking about? Because I sort of remember what was the name of the game where it's not Etch a Sketch, but it's of it's got some Etch a Sketch properties. Do you know the game that he's talking about there? I know. I just sketch. Obviously, I know what he's talking about, where you would take a magnet and just bring what I can only call some garbage debris to to make a mustache or hair out of a figure who didn't have it anymore.

And I wish I knew the name of this. Find this guy.

I'm like a dog with a bone on this. How do you know I'm going to find I'm wrong? How do you find magnetic?

Is that magnetic mustache? I think that's what it was called. Well, but they had a guy's face. What was that guy's name? Billy. What was his name? I know everyone knows what I'm talking about.

Right? Grades Brown. I think it was Willie. Willie, Willie. Willie. Yeah, I believe it was. Yeah.

I don't like the shipping container. Does know what we're talking about. That is the game. Yeah. Who got has found it is indeed the original Willie Willie. It is someone who. Let me see the picture again if you don't mind. Who does that look like if Scott Van Pelt gained a bunch of weight.

Yes. Yes. And had a clown and had a clown nose. That's right. You draw, you bring it put it on the pole.

Who's handling the polls today with with Billy out? Tony, put it on the pole. Do you remember the Willie Willie game? You're going to have to explain because people aren't going to know it by name. Do you remember the Willie Willie game where you would drag debris and make him a magnet mustache out of wood? Willie, Willie. So if you look for that image to the right, you will see some of the options you had. You're dragging little, I guess, shreds of of magnetic stuff over to the ball face.

Trying to form some facial hair on Willie, really a simpler time in America. It's a great game. And now that I've shown the guys in a shipping container, this image of Willie Willie, you guys know what we're talking about now? I do remember it more by sight than you saying it.

It's a shitty pharmacy store toy. You'd be limited, but you'd be bored. I hated going to the pharmacy.

So you had the magnetic pan, you had the stuff at the bottom. You would drag it up. And for many sort of facial hair, you wonder, why did we enjoy that? It seems like a terrible idea.

We all know what it was, though. Somehow it must be a great idea if we all know it was. What is the price on Woolly Willy? Like, if I wanted to get a woolly willy today because I was longing for a different time in America.

It's on Amazon. Seven seventy nine cents now. Seven seventy two right now. That's what I bet Jack White said in a dollar store. And that's Amazon Choice seven. Seventy two free shipping called Libertador.

There is no there is no way you should make a woolly billi. We should have Angel draw Uncle Willy nilly and start selling it at the at the merch store.

That is a phenomenal idea. There can be a demand for this.

You guys just said it was a terrible idea and you just said there can't be a demand for this in both of you. Let me make a woolly Billy go find the ingredient you need to draw a crappy mustache on. Billy.

Yeah, we should make it like an interactive game. Willy Billy, by the way, you guys are right. Frequently bought together is Willy, Willy and the Etch A Sketch. Also the Magic eight ball. For some reason that's they're usually grouped together.

There's also there's also a lady version of Willy Willy called Hairdo Harriett.

Oh, yeah. It's important in these times that we find the quality around the wooly willy. Yeah, I would like to see Buddy Beagle. You could do the same with Buddy. They have a dog. They have them.

So they've got branches. They've got branches of this empire. This is you guys are saying it's a terrible idea and they've got they got spin offs all over the place. Yeah.

This is unsurprisingly brought to you by the makers of Willie Willie. Yeah.

I assumed maybe think maybe they have to have this pat. You can't steal that from Willie. Willie, you try and go and create your own with a dog. Willie Willie's lawyers will chase you down and draw a magnetic mustache on you using garbage and debris. This is cute. You can put glasses on a dog. Who does that.

That's ridiculous. I wanted to ask you guys something here because this goes back a ways in terms of how it is. We've covered things around here because I remember I don't know if this is ten or fifteen years ago, but it was close to the advent of Deadspin and the very idea of blogging. OK, so. A ton of time ago and at the time, we talked about because I came from journalism and at the time ESPN was just basically sucking at the teat of newspapers to get its credibility, was part of what allowed and helped ESPN to rise where they were hiring the newspaper writers to give sports commentary.

The whole thing started because a guy who would go on to become the president of ESPN realized that sportswriters were good for free content, talking about historic and prospective filled stories that would then become 30 for 30, him making those sports century type things. They were sports century at the time, documentaries using sports writers and newspapers. He parlayed that into becoming the president of ESPN. And we were talking about. Where it is, you get your credible source material and we were talking and I've always respected newspapers in that regard, I trust newspapers to tell me the truth.

It's one of the many reasons that what's going on in America over the last four years, where that particular person has been able to take a not subtle hatchet to the credibility of the news has been hurtful to me as someone who cares about journalism. But I remember specifically in talking about the Deadspin stuff, I remember one time you went to a report and you didn't make any discerning judgments between thing on the Internet. Right. And newspaper story. And you told me that when I asked you, well, what's the source on that?

You said Bleacher Report. And at the time, Bleacher Report was nothing. I laughed at you. I'm like, what does that mean? Bleacher Report?

Yes, it really was prophetic.

Really help me out of the room. He really did.

I did. I'm like, what do you mean Bleacher Report? I don't understand. That is a news source. But I bring all this up because what do you do with this? A woman from Miami named Ashley, Nicole Moss, who is a sports TV host, a radio host, she's got a show on I Heart Radio and YouTube. She is reporting that Janice is prepared to sign a long term deal in Miami. No one else is reporting that.

And there has been a bit of democratization of the news in that it could come from anywhere. We laughed at a guy one time when he called in. You know, I don't know why we thought he was wearing a Dare shirt. Maybe he just told us he was wearing a Dare shirt, but he told us that Shaquille O'Neal was about to be traded to Miami or traded from Miami, which Miami to Phoenix.

We left them off the phone and he was a bouncer, I believe, somewhere at a club in Miami. And he he ended up being right. We laughed at him. In 45 minutes. The report came out that Shaq was traded to Phoenix. You know what I do with it, Dad, is I just don't know who knows who. Right. That's what I do with it.

I don't make him a bounce now. He was like some guy at think I if I felt like it was a bouncer.

No, no, it wasn't bouncers. Just one guy at a bank I met a veteran of bouncers are good for sure.

You got their ear to the streets, man. That's what I'm trying to say. So I just figured that maybe it was a bouncer. I don't know. But it was a banker.

Yeah. Tom Haverstraw made purple really famous across the world and purple, not a bouncer, but a nightclub impresario and just a self, not necessarily a nightclub promoter, a promoter, Miami promoter, pharmacists and deejay. I don't know. That's usually how that goes.

Well, I mean, nobody nobody smokes a hookah better than purple now. Devout. So answer my question. Or just at which was the question. No, no, I have a question for you. So what do you do with that? OK, so what do you do with it?

I'm asking you guys, but hold on. But listen, but you're the journalist. That's why I ask, because I'll believe it. Right? So what I what I am asking you is I have no idea who she knows, who she's connected to, where she's getting her information from. I have no idea. It doesn't mean she's wrong. It also certainly does not mean that she's right. And I'm asking as an old school journalist, how many times does she have to report stuff before she becomes credible, before we start believing?

Does she have to do it once? Does she have to nail a couple of stories? I don't know. But for me, if she says that Yoni's is ready to sign a long term deal worked for me, you know, I'm good.

We're getting Yoni's when I see an unverified account there. And who's we? I you know, he fit when I see an unverified account with something ambiguous, like Sirius XM or I Heart Radio or YouTube. I started doing some digging and I, I go to see who follows this person or they're credible people that are not sure because she's got fewer than 8000 followers.

Right.

But she does seem to be plugged in like Donovan Mitchell follows her, J.R. Smith follows her. She does have some reputable people following her, some people that I would respect in terms of like putting their stamp of approval on this person, like there was a cupcake shop owner that broke LeBron News. So this is unfortunately, she's not going to become reputable before this story breaks. But if it breaks, she then becomes reputable. Those are the rules I have decided.

Didn't I want Scoop Schefter on Patrick Mahomes this deal? I believe that was yes, I did do that.

So there was one time, too, on Twitter where I'm blanking on the name of the MLB player who had a niece that went into Twitter and said the Astros are cheating. Yeah, but that was evident. It's everywhere. Yeah, but that one ended up being fake. And you started she wasn't exactly the niece who was a Carlos Beltran zaneis the way something like that. Yeah. So you have to you're showing you're raising an example right now of exactly why you should be discerning when it comes to these stuff.

What you do is the darn trick where you just throw it out there and ask, what are you supposed to do with it? And don't get a real answer. But we still talk about and get the content right or you just throw it out there.

And if it's right, you get all the credit. If it's not, no one remembers anything.

I don't think it's layered, more layered than that. Right, Dan?

Or it is more layered than that. And I threw the question to you guys. I have still not so we could be there.

Yeah, but I mean, during your question, we're responsible for it.

I've gotten some content out of it, not the content. I was hoping to get out of it because God is willing to believe anything, even though he's a known liar. Hold on.

As a liquor store employee scooped Adam Schefter the best in the business, the greatest in the game. She scooped him on the biggest quarterback contract in the history of the NFL and believe it, anyone.

OK, there's a couple of things here that make this hard, right? Because I don't think that the audience or even we understand how when you say scooped Adam Schefter as if he's responsible for every news story anywhere in the NFL, I don't think anyone realizes how hard it is to be the Jay Glazer or the Schefter or the Woj who is beating local reporters on their stories and their markets when they're talking to people and physically close to the people and have relationships with the people.

Like, I really don't think that the audience has any idea how hard it is for those crazy people who do that job, because Glazer and Schefter and Woj have to be a special kind of crazy to feel responsible for covering the entirety of this neighborhood. Right.

I'm not saying this is a shot at Schefter. He's the best at what it is that he does. Schefter had her on the podcast. He thought it was funny that he got scooped by the liquor store employee because it's his job to come up with that scoop. So he had that to be amusing. My larger point is you just don't know it. You don't know who people know and where they're getting their information from. So I'm not willing to rule it out.

You erode, though, the credibility of the credible when you're willing to make anyone credible like you, you you specifically end up eroding if you're not going to make any distinction between Rosevear and Ashley, Nicole Moss. And it's not true that you don't make a distinction when Woj reports, you simply believe it. Like it's not something that you're saying, oh, I don't know about that, or let me wait and see if Woj says it. So you believe it.

So it's not if Woj right now comes out and says Yanase willing to sign a long term deal in Miami, it's all over everywhere. It's not what this is, which is just sort of a whispered secret and people scratching their heads and saying, well, is this right? Is this credible? Should I believe this person? So that's why I was asking. You're 100 percent right.

If Woj put something out there, believe it. Schefter believe it her. I'll do I'll take it with a grain of salt. Right. But I'm not going to say that she's wrong. So if she gets this right, is she more credible? The next one's going to be right. Of course. Obviously, if she gets it right, that makes her credible. That's the game, but you're asking the wrong people. We're just a couple lunkheads, Dan.

You're the only one with a traditional media background. So what are we supposed to do with something?

I'm not sure that if she gets this one right, all of a sudden that's a name. You know, Seagate's is still referring to it as the liquor store owner of the liquor store owner breaks the next contract.

Right. Quarterback, are you also going to be like, well, I got to get my information over there? Yeah, but there is a difference.

This is someone with a media background that's trying to make it in this business. You see some of her credentials. She puts it out there. I had to go out and search to see if this was even a real show because it's 20/20 and you should do your own share of vetting. This one's different because that liquor store owner, I don't know what their aspirations are, but I doubt it to be the next Woj. This person is trying to become someone in the media.

I don't dismiss it. But what I end up doing in the specifics of this one, which is sort of in our neighborhood and it's something our audience cares about, I end up asking a whole bunch of follow up questions and so of other people.

And so what ended up happening, like IRA Winterman, a credible reporter for a long time on the Miami Heat beat, and I don't know where he he got this from, but he was talking about the idea that drew holiday for Tylor Hero might be a thing because Drew Holiday is now available and it is not a thing like the he would not give up Tylor Hero for holiday, but if it was Yoni's then yes, I would hope so.

But you say you would hope so. But there are plenty Heat fans listening to me right now who would say, well you could just wait a year. You don't have to give up Tyler here. Why would you not just wait here a year instead of trading Tyler here? I would make that trade right now to ensure myself Giannis for next year.

If you know he's going to come next year, you know he's going to sign long term and it cost you Tyler Herra show Giannis that you want him well but you need to make the contracts match and I don't even know how you do that because Tyler here was on such a cheap shot.

Yeah. You got to staple some other contracts to it but they got to be valuable. Yes, but you already have the valuable piece in Tyler Hero who is honestly one of the best assets in the NBA right now. And you can't overlook the local ties with Tyler Hero and why that would be attractive to a team like the Milwaukee Bucks. You have the local kid at a super young age that is established that he might have a really high ceiling considering what he did at age twenty, what the the bucks have to weigh, which is fairly obvious.

And this this woman, Ashley Moss, she actually gave voice to it. You don't want to lose someone like Giannis for nothing, but you also have to weigh that with we have a title window. What does a title do to our franchise in terms of long term stability or should we already change this turn this asset in Giannis Antetokounmpo two time reigning MVP into something that can make us a player for longer periods for a longer period of time.

If Giannis just decides up and walks through Got to the Giannis thing is so fascinating to me ok because Mike Ryan is sitting here saying they've got a Tylor title window and I don't look at them and say their title window has closed but I've seen enough of them to know that they're going to change the way they look when the playoff basketball arrives. Right. Specifically because of the kind of player that he is, which is MVP valuable. But when the game changes and this isn't a mental thing, it's not that he's soft.

It's the physical limitations of his game where he needs to be someone who is breaking down your defense from close range in the game has become something that spreads out the floor. Now, it is a huge indictment of both Budenholzer and Milwaukee.

If they can't figure out a way to put the pieces around him, to make them something that can get out of the second round or, you know, the conference championship, they got to the conference because we all know that that is a player who is valuable enough to be among the greatest who have ever played basketball.

Sure. But the idea that when Mike is saying window, they've got a window that's closing. I almost feel like it's come close to closing. If they're going to go budenholzer they just got knocked out in the second round. Weird season or not. It's not like they looked real competitive, like they got exposed for all the reasons that everyone was doubting them. And I'm telling you, it's not mental frailty about that dude. It's something that has to do with the physical change of play in the half court that makes his game less effective than it is in the regular season.

When they're not playing the same kind of defense.

He needs to be surrounded with more shooters. He needs to be the guy not taking the shot, but the guy distributing and creating the shot, much like LeBron does. A long weekend shot can take many, but he doesn't hit it as consistently. You just have to decide, do you want to take one more shot, try to win a championship with Giannis or get something in return before he leaves your city. That's it.

I don't think it's that simple as shooters. If you look at their shooting numbers, they were fantastic. That's a fantastic shooting team. The likes of Middleton and Brook Lopez is an amazing three point shooter. But Mike, you don't feel like the. Too reliant on him having to hit three point shots, like, you know, that's not that's not the strength of his game.

Miami obviously found found success in exploiting some of the deficiencies in his game. If the Milwaukee Bucks are going to go anywhere, as presently constituted, is because he needs to continue and grow his game or he can go to a franchise that has proven that they can surround you with the right pieces. Now, while you look at the numbers and you say, hey, these guys are shooters, what exactly is wrong here? But they're not going to take over a game.

Khris Middleton is a mighty fine player and we saw when Giannis went out, Khris Middleton is an all star caliber player but he's not a great Miami.

Does that better than anybody and they maximize the talents and they play. They cater to you and they can take you next level and if I'm Giannis Antetokounmpo I don't have faith that the Milwaukee Bucks can and I'm looking at what Jimmy Butler and Bam amount of Biogen's did and get into the NBA Finals. How can you not want to Leonardo DiCaprio Mehmet and say That's my shit right there. Hey, it's your homey sorry, it's your home. I know you don't like it when I call myself your old man, so I have some favors to ask you.

Could you get rid of a few chairs in the living room? My floorboards are tired.

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