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If you could open a storefront in Salt Lake, what would it be? Probably some type of bookstore, but I don't know. I've never thought about that. I've always wanted a hangout, drop-in coffee shop. I think I would really enjoy a goat storefront. So goat cheeses, goat soaps, whatever else there is. Anything that allows me to make a profit off of having many goats, I think would be really, really awesome.

Okay. What's stopping you from doing it?

Well, I'm in college. I'm a full-time I don't have that much time for it. I also don't feel very passionate about selling things. I'm pretty anti-capitalist. I'd rather have something that fosters more community than just money exchanges. I have a life I have to support. As someone who's normally a risk taker, that's just a risk that for some reason, when it comes to money, I've not been willing to take.

Welcome back to another episode of The Dough. I'm Ex Mayo, actor, writer, and now a Aspiring Goat entrepreneur. Yeah, you heard that. Aspiring Goat. Okay, baby, we going to have everything in the store. This is the show where we talk about making your wildest money dreams come true. And yeah, it might be scary to start your own goat empire, but I'm here to tell you it can happen. I'm over thinking all the possibilities at Goats-RS. We're talking goat wigs, goat rugs, goat sour cream, goat yoga. Okay? I'm going to talk to my business manager tomorrow about it. Belva, get on the line. A America has fucked us over enough, and now I want my 40 acres in a goat, damn it. But hold up. Let me come down. I talk about goats, I get excited, okay? Today, we're not just talking about that goat, okay? We're here to talk about The Goats of entrepreneurship. Yes, Black women, okay? Black with a capital B, okay? Did you know that Black women are the fastest-growing group of business owners in America? Though it's not all rainbows and butterflies, we have to deal with all kinds of crazy bullshit to make that happen.

Yes, I got some statistics for that ass. 61% of Black women use their own money to fund their startups because they're less likely to receive capital elsewhere. And once they do open up their business, Black women typically earn less than any other business owner out there. That's unbelievable because we're the fucking best. Truly, the best. In this episode, our guest is an example of how to make that shit work, how to start a business and make it successful, not just for yourself, but for your local community. Jazzy McGilbert is the founder of Reparations Club in Los Angeles. It's a concept bookshop and community space that centers Black and queer authors and creatives. They host dope ass events, and Jazzy has got insights on how you can feel a need in your own community and get paid at the same damn time. You want to get paid, right? And you also want to go, god damn it, Because when I start my store, I need everybody to come down and support Black women. Don't be talking about I support Black women because you listen to Beyoncé. Okay, you need to go buy this goat. Amen. That's what I thought.

Hi, Jazzy. Welcome to The Dough. Oh, my God. I'm so excited to talk to you.

Hi.

Okay, so we start off every episode asking guests where the hell their money went this week. And one of my producers told me you're a tourist. Hello. That is not my rising, it's the setting. What's the other one?

I'm from LA, I should know this. Okay. You have your rising, your sun, and your moon, and then a whole bunch of other things.

Okay. My moon. My moon. My moon is a Taurus, and two of my besties are torus. So I love you, torus, the Bull. Okay.

Wait, what's your sun sign?

Leo.

Of course.

Hello. Yes. Okay, so you're a torus, top tier, and that is a sign of luxury. So where did your money go this week? Is it a champagne bubble bath? Did you buy pillows that are $500? What did you do?

I am the type of tourist who stays in the house, and so I spend a lot of money on food and also pillows. I am a pillow snob.

Same. I research them. I want data. I have Google Sheets, graphs. I need to know. And my pillows go off.

I feel so seen.

Yes. Okay, cool. So your Book and Retail Shop officially opened in 2019. Congratulations. Thank you. And in 2024, It has now become a major cultural hub covered by media like the LA Times, the New York Times, and the Washington Post. So your brick and mortar hosts karaoke, author talks, queer game nights, and so much more. So was this always your vision, and where did the inspiration for the Reparations Club come from?

So I was always a very bookish kid. I'm an introvert. We talked about the tourist thing already, but I'm a homebody. And so books were my friends. Bookstores were my babysitter. I had a single mom, And so she would drop me at the bookstore and pick me up after work. So I think that was in me somewhere, but I also never thought I would own a bookstore. I think the inspiration for the store came from... I mean, it was born out of grief and death. My mom died nine months before the bookstore opened, and I was not planning- I'm so sorry. Thank you. I wasn't planning to open a bookstore before that happened. That wasn't a dream of mine because I didn't I don't really know that I could have that dream. So I think the inspiration really was my mom's passing and reorienting. That's a hard loss. Everyone who's gone through it will tell you. And so you just... It shakes your worldview. You have to reprioritize your life, do things that you deeply care about. And for me, that was community that I was really needing at that moment. And so that's what I built first, and the books came right after.

Okay, lovely. Oh, my God, Jazzy. I love that you've turned, I don't want to say turned your grief, but I guess utilize that as the catalyst to create something that's so community oriented. And I've heard about this so much. I cannot wait to come. The name alone, I was like, Excuse me, quaint. So good. So how did your upbringing influence your journey to entrepreneurship?

I think my business acumen comes from having a single mom. I think anyone who has a Black single mom will tell you, you know how to make a dollar stretch. You know how to work hard. You know how to center your people, too. And so I just grew up watching my mom, who was a legal secretary, work really hard. She ran that office. Might as well have been a paralegal, but she really knew how to make things function. And when she got home, she was starting her other full-time job, which was raising me and a lot of my family as well. So she raised my two cousins who are siblings to me. And I just watched her work hard get things done with nothing.

So you said you watched your mom work so hard. Why was it important for you to work for yourself?

Because I watched her work so hard for someone else. And so I don't know where all the money she helped make went. It was not into her pocket. I know that. My mom passed away from cancer. She had ovarian cancer. It's actually peritoneal cancer. But long story. She was still, even during her cancer treatment, she was still going to work. She was still doing so much, and she felt such a responsibility toward her work that she felt bad having cancer, I think. And just watching her go through that, I don't think her work loved her back. And I wanted my work to love me back. I wanted my work to be for me. I wanted it to be fulfilling. I wanted it to both support me, support my community. I just needed it to be more intentional and not just go into the void. And so, yeah, having work that loved me back was very, very important to me.

Wow. Jazzy, we have to take a second. I think I have to get that tattooed. I want my work to love me back. Wow. Never even looked at it from that lens.

I didn't until that second. So, yeah, I think it's important That we- Wow. Because I am fulfilled by work.

Oh, that's good.

Thank you. I do, for better or worse, identify as a workaholic, but I feel really good about the work that I'm doing. Would I like to sleep more? Yes, but I don't feel like it's worthless. I think it has a lot of value.

100 %. And why did you choose the name Reparations Club? I feel like I know, but I want the people to know.

You tell me, what does it mean to you?

It means like The only motherfucking way we going to get our shit is if we make it and create it and give it to ourselves. So why else? Ain't nobody else going to give it to us. But you know what? You know what's going to do it? A black woman, period. And she going to help everybody and not live in the binary. If you are he, she, they, if you are queer, undecided. This is for everybody. This is a club. This is a hub. That's what I get from the name. But I could be wrong as to why you named it.

You are not wrong. I don't think there is a wrong answer there. I think the name chose me, to be honest. But I had a group. It was the group chat. My group chat girls. We all had these various wins in life, and it was almost like a A little tongue in cheek, I got us these nameplate necklaces, gold nameplate necklaces that said reparations. I was just like, We are all getting something we deserve. And when I was naming the shop, I was sitting on my couch and couldn't think of a name and was just playing around with the necklace. And I was like, You know what? That. That sums it up. That's what I want. It's a mantra of sorts. I think the name does the work of calling the right people into the space and keeping the wrong people out. And so sometimes I did not think the name was as controversial as it seems to be to people, but I like the reaction you had where it's empowering, it's revitalizing. That's what I want the name to do. And I think it does that.

I think it's affirming. And I think, too, it also puts me in a place of abundance. And also there is racism and white supremacy and systemic shit that needs to be altered, burned down and built again with us in mind. But that may never happen. Or We may not see that. Until then, I have to live on this thing called Earth. So I'm going to plug into whatever joy and whatever community that I can. So I'm just like, Reparations Club, absolutely. It helps me to live in a healthy DeLulu, right? It's not naivete. I'm very clear on what the world is.

Conscious delou.

Period. Yes. Okay, so you talked about your mom. What's your mom's name? I want to honor her.

My mom's name was Joyce. Everyone called her Nisi.

I called her mom. Yes, Ms. Nisi. May she rest. She's here right now. Oh, absolutely. Ms. Nisi passed away shortly before you opened in 2019. Did you ever talk to her about this, about your dream or entrepreneurship in general, wanting to do something for you?

We didn't talk about this explicitly, but I remember her talking about, at the time, I don't know what year it was, but I'm going to age myself by saying that she was talking about opening an internet cafe at some point. She was like, I want to have an internet cafe where we can have open mic nights and we can do this, and we can do that. But we never pursued it, and we never got there. But I do remember as she was getting disillusioned with her work, that was what she was turning toward was like, I want to own something. I want to do something for myself. I want to fill this void that I see in my community. And it just never happened. But we did talk about that in passing. But no, I think she thought I was going to have a magazine at some point or be a lawyer. She definitely thought that at some point. I'm a tourist, so I'm stubborn. I can argue. But yeah, I did not not see this in my future, and I don't know that she did in this way either.

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Sally Field, Billy Jean King, Beverly Johnson, Aina Garten, Bonnie Ray, just to name a few, and of course, my 90-year-old mom, Judy. All Hale, Old Women. Wiser Than Me Season 2 is out now from Lemonada Media. So Let's get into how the Rep Club went from this idea to the cultural hub it is now. So how did you get the funding to open the Reparations Club?

It was my mother's life insurance policy. So I'm like, I can laugh at it in hindsight, but I call her my angel investor. She left us all- Wait, Jazzy, shut the fuck up. Shut the fuck up. We got to laugh through the pain, actually. We got to laugh.

No, Jazzy. I am a comedian and write jokes for... So that, I love a hard joke. Thank you. Listen, if you started crying, I wouldn't have laughed, but I would have texted my group chat like, This is just so funny. That is very funny. Is that on the website that your mom put your angel investor?

It's not on the website. You need to put that.

I'll put that on there. That is an opportunity missed. That is hilarious.

Yes. So My mom was my angel investor. She left a small life insurance policy. I looked it up the other day. I started Rep Club with, I think it was $20,000. So my business plan was, if I sign this one year lease, can I pay the rent for one year? That was the plan. And so I was just like, Cool. If no one comes in here and no one buys anything, I will lose that $20,000, and I will bounce back from that. And so that's what we started with. That was the plan, and the rest came later. But again, I know how to stretch a dollar. I really do.

Yes. Shout out to Ms. Nisi. Yeah. How was that first year business?

First year was interesting because of that lack of a plan. People would come in And we always had products, but it was a very artsy-looking space. And so people were always asking me, Can I buy things? Can I buy this? And I was like, All right, that's a little confusing. So people were coming and hanging out. We were having parties. We were having events. And so building community was where it started. And then once we had this community, the rest came later. So I was like, I am not a money-driven person. I just need to make enough money to keep the thing afloat and to execute my vision, which can get a little expensive sometimes. But that was my goal, was just to keep the thing going. And so we've hit that goal. It's sustainable now. I didn't want it to disappear in a year. But then the pandemic happened, and we were forced to close. But even the way that all worked out, it's crazy. It sounds made up when I tell the story, but our lease was up pretty much the same month that everyone went on lockdown. We had just had a flood in the space, and we had lost a ton of inventory.

Oh, no. And I was like, Well, okay, that's it. But if it's meant to be, it'll be. We didn't have a website at that point. Someone put us, and I wish I could trace the person who did it first, put us on a list of independent bookstores to support. Those lists started circulating. Somehow we landed on Oprah's list of black bookstores, and we turned on our website. We just turned on a template, and the orders were flooding in. And we were sitting at the intersection of being a black-owned bookstore, a bookstore in general, an independent business. So people were really turning toward all of these things. So all of these things that had maybe been negatives for me in the past, they became positives for a minute. Things have changed quite a bit since 2020, but we really rose to the occasion, and we were delivering books by hand. When people were sanitizing their door knob, that era, we were throwing books out of the car window, like newspaper delivery boys.

Wait, shut up. Like you're one of the newsies, just throwing shit.

Just flinging them, flinging them out the window.

And that's when it was just vibes with the mask. People took With diapers and duct tape. We was all getting creative, just MacGyver in this shit. That was a crazy, crazy time. It was a wild time. I would say that and the Popeyes of 2019, that was- The chicken sandwich. Yeah. It's also so funny, too, Jazzy, that you mentioned when people are coming in, everything's so nice and they didn't want to touch it and was like, Can I buy things? It's such a black-ass thing. It is. Because when you come in a place, it's like, Don't touch. This is where we just sit and we don't eat nothing. We don't touch nothing. It's just like, and you know, black people, when you got nice shit, it's like, Yes, it's nice because you ain't touched it. Just look at it. And that's it.

That's so interesting. That was not going to keep us from business. So when we No. I knew that if it was meant to be, we would find another space. And then we finally did. Right as the world was reopening, we opened into our current location.

What year was that?

I don't know. What year did we come outside? I'm bad with time. I'm time-blind.

2021?

2021? No, 2021. That sounds about right.

Yeah, 2021? Yeah. Yeah.

And so when everyone was coming back outside, while we were inside, I was building this new space. And so it happened pretty seamlessly. And I think exactly how it was supposed to for us. And so books took over. That was the thing, and that has continued to be the thing. But we still have a lot of events and so many community engagements. We do Saturday morning cartoons, or we just have cereal and I watch cartoons. Oh my God, Jessie.

It's a good time. Let me tell you, Animaniaks single-handedly could save America.

Absolutely.

Okay, so you reopened, 2020. You guys took a hit. It was kismet, the way that you guys stopped when the world stopped. So how do you plan for the future of your business? Is this now your full-time job? Are you still like, You know what? It's just me. One person is going to come in, get a book, and then...

No, not just me. It takes a village now, and I've had Yes. To learn how to manage people, and people have had to learn how to manage me. And so I've got an amazing team now that is growing all the time. I remember making my first hires and just not really knowing how to do all of that. I didn't go to business school. I dropped out of college, but no one taught me how to do all this. So I'm just figuring it out as I go. But I'm happy to say most of the people on our team have been with us for a long time. And everyone, there are a lot of people who have been a part of this journey.

I would say everyone that comes in is a part of it. Absolutely. I think it's a piece of it for sure. And I just want to thank you so much, Jazzy, because one thing, and I can say this candidly because it's us, that sometimes what is disappointed within our community is when we have certain things like this and then it's not financially accessible. So then you wonder, who is it for? Because I know social media, TikTok and Instagram, we're happy to believe that every Black person is just So out here, YSL bag, red bottoms, and even then, some of them paint them. It's not real. Especially when it comes to books, I'm so grateful that you are making this to be accessible to all of our community. Thank you.

I have had that experience. I don't go out of the house often, but I've started. Every time I do, I'm just like, That was a lot of money I spent to do nothing. And so I love that most of the events that we have have some free the access point to them. So when we have author talks, you can buy the book, but you don't have to. I just think we need... You hear a lot of talk about third spaces, and I really do think we embody that. It's just people just come. People have come. Sometimes it gets a little crazy, but people have come, taken off their shoes, brought their own tea kettle in the shop, and they treat it like their living room. And I do love that.

No, it's a vibe. Everyone I know loves the space. It does feel... It does feel like, this is my only reference point, so forgive me because there might be a better one. But it does feel like in the Black Power Movement, we had these hubs, right? We had these speakeasies that if you know, you know, right? So it definitely does feel that way. And I was so happy because Jazzy, you as a Black woman, I'm sure you can agree. When I heard the name, I said, Is this a white one? Is this a black? Because you know how white people love to to take our shit and just be like, And this is run. I've been to so many shit that was so hip hop based. I'm like, Oh, this fucking music is fired, this thing. And they were like, Yeah, that's the owner. And it's somebody that looked like who made Apple. What's his name? Steve Jobs. Steve Jobs.

Yeah.

I was just like, No. So I was so grateful. I was like, Oh, my God. And it's a Black woman. Thank you, Jesus. It was such a cyber relief. Man, we need more third spaces for us by us, baby. So while we take break, I want you to think about what your third space would be for your community. I know I'll be thinking of mine and how to incorporate some goats, and you didn't even buy one last time. Shirley, yeah, I'm looking at you. Talk about support Black women. I be on people.

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I wish more businesses would stop trying to market community and actually build one. I think that's something we were- Say that. Yeah, we were- Jazzy. Barely on social media. It's an esthetic. It's an esthetic, yeah. And I'm like, we're real cute. But at the end of the day, you can take the social media away. You can take the esthetics away, and the people will still be there. I picked up... He was a customer. He's now a friend. I picked him up from the airport last night. I'm like, that is community to me. I'm like, Rep Club is the airport friend. But that's important that we know where people are. We know what they're going through. And we sell things because we We do, unfortunately, function under capitalism in a way where for us to keep this space open, we got to sell some books, we got to do some things from time to time. But the goal is to just stake our claim on this little corner in LA because the spaces for us are disappearing left and right. And so I just want to have a place that people feel seen in, feel comfortable in.

And yeah, building community is my biggest advice. They talk about it like it's a trend, like community is a buzzword or something. And I think people forget what that really means and what that really looks My other advice would be hire Black women, pay them, listen to them, and give them power. I think Black women are truly the best, period. But definitely, I think- I agree. I mean, it's a lot competition, but it might be. I just think Black women, we have turned this trauma. I don't think it's for great reasons that we are so good at what we do, but we are. And I think people just need to hand over the reins sometimes.

And yes, Yes, or all the time.

All the time. Yeah.

Because I think Black women, we need power and not positions. Absolutely. I think it's time out for that. So when people want to make an impact like you have Jazzy, where do they begin? What advice would you give someone to start?

What advice would I give them to start? I heard some good advice on TikTok the other day, and I think it's something that I do in practice, which is break small rules every day. I think that's important. Okay. Yeah, it was from like this- To tell. I can't remember who posted it. I'll find it and send it to you. But it was through an anarchist lens of just like, you have to break these little rules every day so that when there is a big rule in front of you that needs to be broken, you're not scared to do it. Just like not giving into the status quo every day. And I just stopped accepting that this is the way things have to be. And then my other advice is just starting on your corner, starting, but that's your little corner of the Internet, whether that's a physical corner, doing what you can with what you have. If I had waited for someone else to do this, I don't know if it would have happened. I just started with what I had, which was not much. And here we are talking to X on the podcast.

We're so blessed, and we're so thankful here at Lemanada for you. But Jazzy, I do want to say, too, I think that before we can get to starting, I think we have to have a belief in ourselves. I think that comes back to community, right? It does. Somebody told you you could do it. People told you that you were beautiful. People told you that you're so smart because you got to have that foundation. So I would say, too, like, plug into whoever gives you that because then you'll feel unstable.

Absolutely.

And so what advice do you have for people who want to say, Fuck the man, middle finger to the system, and start their own business?

I think this business was the first time that I just went for it. I didn't question myself too much. I didn't I just followed that spirit. And so I know my mom used to say that if it feels like you're swimming against the current, you're probably going in the wrong direction. And there was a lot of things like that in my life that felt like these vanity metrics, these status symbols that I really just wanted people to... I wanted to fit into a mold. It wasn't an option for me. And so this was the first time that I think because of that grief, my guard was down, and I just went for it.

Absolutely. Yeah. I feel like my grandmama said, eat the meat, spit out the bone. So I can learn child from anybody. What was the most helpful advice you received when you embarked on this journey as a black woman entrepreneur?

I think some advice is Especially if it's a white person, they always have more than they're telling you they have. You're almost always being low-balled.

Hey. Well, I got to write that down.

I think you can ask for more.

I got to write. Okay. Love I want my work to love me back. And with a white person, always ask for more- Even if they're offering you nothing, ask for something.

I literally, just last week, they were offering me nothing to do something. And I said, Look, even if you offered me a $5 Cheesecake Factory gift card, that would show me that you value my time a little bit. And they found something. They found a little something. But from the people who have it, the people that you know have it, get it. And then Yeah.

Love that.

I get asked to do the craziest things for free, and I've just started saying no. And I want every black person, every person, to feel empowered to say, Yo, this does not work for me, so that we can all hold the line for each other. I think that's really important.

Okay, so we're now towards the end. Very sad. I would like to know if you can tell people where they can find you and the Reparations Club these days. Yes.

So you can find Rep on Instagram and TikTok. We are at reparations. Club and at repclub on TikTok. Our website is rep. Club. No. Com, just. Club. Where else can you find us? Can you find us at the Bookstore. Sure. Yeah, we're in South Central. Yes.

Yes. I love. And Ms. Nisi, she's here with us right now. She's following you everywhere. And her energy and spirit is all throughout the Reparations Club. I can't wait to come. Thank you so much, Jazzy, for joining us. Thank you. It was truly a pleasure talking to you. Likewise. I can't wait to come by, kick my feet up, and read some Tony Morse. And there you have it, ladies and goats. If you really want to say, Fuck you to the man, there's a way to do it without selling your soul. I know after this conversation, I'm taking two things with me. Your work can love you back and always ask for what you're worth. Then Again, add text to that bitch. Matter of fact, throw in that $5 gift card to fucking cheesecake, okay? For my fellow dreamers, as Jazzy said, Start small, start with what you have. Find your corner and begin building your community. That's what's most important because if you wait for someone else to do it, what you want to see may never happen. I'm challenging you to tap into the community that's already around you, holding you up and make that shit happen.

And shout out Jazzy's angel investor, Ms. Nisi. I know she is so proud of her. Now, let me go get my goat shit organized while you all wait for the next episode of The Dough. There's more The Dough with Lemonada Premium. Subscribers get exclusive access to bonus content like more sage advice from Jazzy McGilbert. Subscribe now in Apple podcast. The Dough is a Lemonada original. I'm your host, X-Mio. This series was created in partnership with Florish Ventures. This series is presented by the Margaret Casey Foundation. Our producers are Claire Jones, Rachel Pilgrim, and Tony Williams. Kristen Lepore is our senior producer. Mix and sound design by Andy Kristen's daughter, with additional sound design by Tony Williams and Bobby Woody. Original music by Pat Messiedi Miller. Jackie Danziger is our vice President of Narrative Content. Executive producers include me, XMaya, Stephanie Woodleswax, and Jessica Cordova-Kramer. Help others find our show by leaving us a rating in writing a review. You can follow me on IG at $80inasuitcase and Lemonada at Lemonada Media across all social platforms. Follow The Dough wherever you get your podcast or listen ad-free on Amazon Music with your prime membership. Thanks so much for listening.

See you next week. Bye.

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