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Would you ever leave your day job to be on reality TV? Yeah, but only, I don't know, just for the bit, I think. I wouldn't rely on it to be what I'm going to make money off of.

Oh, I don't think so. I do love watching reality TV, but I think seeing a lot of people fade into being worried about their image and ego is not worth it to me. Then at the end of the day, I feel like I'll make more money just staying at my job.

That sounds so fun. That sounds like so much fun. I would love to. That's a terrible idea, but I would love to. Okay, why do you say it's a terrible idea? Because then it's like, well, what opportunities do I have after that? I have to rejoin society. But that's just such a funny thing to be able to do. It's like, that'd be fun.

Welcome back to The Dough, where Cash is clean, and I hardly know that bitch, but we're still here figuring her out together because hello, this is season two. I'm X-Mio. Did you miss me? Y'all, I cannot believe they let me do another one of these. I thought to myself, X, they're going to shut you down. You are too real with it. The Illuminati is going to come for your ass. They sending Jason Bourne right now. But here we are. We made it. So we're going to drive this season like we stole it, baby. We're going to be talking to all kinds of people about their relationship to money, reality stars, entrepreneurs, financial experts, and even some of my own friends. Pretty much anybody who will get real with us about the root of all evil and also spa days. No, really. We want to know how people make their money, how they spend it, and how the fuck they save it. Because I don't know about you, but I'm trying to retire early over here. And this week, we're starting off with someone who's on the right track. We're here to talk about a subject near and dear to my heart, what it means to go from being a girl on the street to a goddamn celebrity.

When you leave your day job, you're taking a big risk and hoping it pays off, literally. And today's guest made that transition in front of the whole ass country. This week, we're going to be talking to the one, the only, Michelle Young, who went from teacher to reality star on the Bachelorette. And she's going to tell us all about becoming a citizen of Bachelor Nation. Now, if you're up on your reality TV, you already already know the deal. But for the rest of you all, in spring 2020, Michelle was an elementary school teacher in Minnesota. She was navigating the pandemic with the rest of us, trying to figure out how to teach through a computer screen, keep her students from going insane, and stack a shit ton of toilet paper. But by that July, she was in a quarantine bubble in Pennsylvania with 40 of the hottest people in the fucking world filming The Bachelor. And then that fall, she was back in the classroom teaching again. Imagine that you all, you dip out of the most stressful time in your life to be on national TV, and then just like that, it's back to work.

Michelle's like the Black Cinderella, you all. Wait, that's Brandi. Well, she's like the second Black Cinderella. Anyways, Michelle has been on an absolute roller coaster ever since. She came in second on the bachelor, became the next bachelorette, got engaged, got single, got burnt out, quit teaching and started a foundation. Girl, that makes me tired of saying it out loud. And it switched up her whole life financially, too. She went from making teacher money to television feature money. Now she's figuring out how to take that reality show money and bring it back to reality-reality with her new project, the Michelle Young Foundation. They're helping underserved kids in the school system, you all. It's real Abbott Elementary over here, but without that sassy-ass Okay. Anyways, Michelle, welcome to The Dough.

Hi. Thanks for having me.

Yes. Thank you. Okay, so Michelle, we like to open the show up with a little icebreaker, so I want some tea. Tell me, where the hell did your money go this week? What you've been spending it on, what did you buy?

Oh, dang. Okay, well, I just got back from Mexico, so I feel like it wasn't all-inclusive and everything, but I feel like when you're there, you still like to buy yourself some different things or upgrade a meal. So I feel like it all went to food and alcohol and outfits. The fit checks have to be on point, too. So, yeah, we stretched it a little bit, but it was good. It was worth it.

So let's take it back to spring 2020. You're in Minnesota, you're an elementary school teacher, and you're trying to figure out how the fuck do you Zoom with the rest of us, right? So unfortunately, in May, George Floyd gets murdered, and the Twin Cities erupt into protest, which we all I remember, and it was literally, truly. I mean, it was the biggest protest in history, like world history. It was motherfuckers in Denmark talking about Black Lives Matter. It was crazy, right? Absolutely. And in the middle of all that, you get a message saying, You've been nominated for the bachelor. So at that point, did you were like, It's giving scam. Did you think that it was not real? What's the first thing that ran through your head?

So it was crazy, is I actually had a message that came in, and I ignored it. And I really did think it was spam or whatever it was, because at that point, I didn't even have Instagram, or I had just gotten Instagram a few weeks prior.

What?

It's really- Really?

Michelle. Okay, so were you not a social media person?

No, I was always late to the social media game.

So, Michelle, do you have a Blackberry today? Where are you at? Technological-wise. Oh, the Blackberry Pearl.

The Blackberry Pearl. I love that. But no, I was always late to that game. All my friends got the Razor phone, the flip phone. I would get to everything so late. And so I just didn't have Instagram, and all my friends would take pictures and post and all that stuff. And I knew what it was. And I was always very tech savvy, but I just really never wanted to jump into it. And I saw so many insecurities come out of just the people I was around and comparisons at such an early age that I was like, it just seems like more anxiety-provoking or stress.

Wow, you're so healthy, Michelle. I love that. Yeah.

Now I have Instagram, so now I have the anxiety. So it caught up. So now we're over here twitching and everything. But I really just didn't even believe that they were able to find me because they got my email. They sent me an email, and it was to my college master's email that nobody had. So I really just felt like, I don't know how they got it. I didn't believe it. So I just I ignored it, ignored it, ignored it. Ignored it to the point where I kept getting emails. And it was until August that I finally responded, almost as a joke or like, let's see what this actually is, and hopped on a phone call with a producer, and I was like, Oh, shit, this is actually real. That was like, I was supposed to take off literally two, three weeks later after I spoke to them. So I was the last one in the door.

Do you know who nominated you to be on the show?

I have no idea. To this day, I've asked my friends. I don't know if it's somebody from my master's class that slid my name in.

I have no idea. Why did you decide to do it, though? Were you just like, You know what? I'm single. Okay, we're stuck in this fucking quarantine in this goddamn house. The world has gone to shit. God is coming back by midnight. Let me just, Fuck it. Fuck it, we ball. Was that your mindset, or what made you think, Okay, you know what? I'll do it?

I just had a feeling about it. I'm a big intuition gut reaction person, and it was just an opportunity that kept popping up. I like to think about taking... I'm a risk taker, but I take calculated risks, and I feel like I work through a lot. I worked to be in education. I worked through college on a full ride scholarship, and you already have that reputation and platform. So I was a little scared about how you can be portrayed and how you can get caught up in these different situations. Conversations. So I really did have to put in a lot of thinking and have a lot of conversations with my family, and they were not really privy to it at the beginning. They were quite against it. And once I made the decision and talked through everything and they realized I was all on board, then they were like, Okay, well, you've thought about this, and we support you.

Yeah. So here on the dope, Michelle, we love to talk about dollars and cents, right? I love to talk about money. I love it, and I want to destigmatize it. I think we should all be transparent about money. So what What is being on the bachelor financially? I would love to know, do you guys have a day rate as participants? You're technically on TV, so is it sag? Yeah.

So as a contestant, you don't get anything. So when you're on- Excuse me.

Wait. Pause.

Excuse me. You don't get anything. You get screen time.

You don't get any money?

Yeah, no. You don't get anything as a contestant. You get the experience, and the experience can potentially turn into things. And I think that's that whole stigma of when people go and they want screen time, and you can build a platform, and that's where the money comes from afterwards, which that's true, but you don't always have control of how long you're there or what's going to happen even. So it is definitely a gamble.

Yeah. And also, too, it doesn't matter if I could try to build a platform as much as I wanted to. If America and the people are not fucking with me, I'm not going to build anything. And also, I need money today. I have bills that come every month right now.

And the dresses, the dresses as a contestant, you pay for your own dresses. I mean, I've heard stories about women taking out loans to pay for their dresses as a contestant. Now, once you're the bachelorette, all of that's included, and you do get a paycheck once you're a lead. But Yeah, it is quite crazy just the depths that people go to. I mean, I've heard horror stories of people taking out loans of however much money for these dresses and then getting sent home night one. You have to prepare to be there the entire time. And if you go purchase all the dresses and get sent home night one, you are left with having to pay back a loan and you have all these dresses.

No, I'm coming in there with one dress, and then they're going to be like, Ex, you're wearing the same goddamn dress every episode. I said, Well, buy me another one. And also, this man still want to fuck me. So how about that? So obviously, the goddamn dress don't mean nothing because I'm here for seven episodes. I'm like, No, fuck that. I'm going to be a Trailblazer. God damn it. I'm not going to sit up here and do all this rent this runway for this man who kissing every goddamn body. That's another thing, Michelle, for me, because not only COVID, the mano. Everybody out here kissing. You got to worry about COVID, mano. He ain't that goddamn hot because, Michelle, you're gorgeous. I would be like, if I was you, I would have switched positions with him. I'd be like, no, get your ass over there. Who wants to be with me? You all stand over there. Who wants this rose? Okay?

Hey, that's what it turned into. You, right?

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So you came back as the Bachelorette, Right. So I assume you made a bunch more since you were the star. You made some more money because we all know- Just a little bit. Yeah, just a little piece of change because we know teachers, hello, do not get paid enough in this country. That's a goddamn problem. It's insane the ways in which teachers are underpaid and underappreciated in this country. So I would like to know- It's not real. It is. Did you make more Starring on the Bachelorette than you made in a year as a teacher? Did that feel weird or it was just like... It was layered? Did you feel like, oh, my God, I'm so grateful, but also, God damn.

I made triple.

Wow.

I made triple what I just Bachelorette. I made triple, if not more, than what I would make in one year teaching. And this is what I want to talk about. This is the crazy thing. So I went to college on a Division One scholarship. So I played basketball, right? And when you go into education, it's something that is just known. You're not going to make a lot of money. You don't do it for the money. No, of course, Of course not. That's not why we were there. But what is absolutely just so disgusting is the fact that I came out of college with no debt because I didn't have loans. And it was so hard, nearly It's impossible to still live off a teacher's salary. I was working in South Carolina, 36,000 a year.

Excuse me? Thirty-six thousand. Thirty-six thousand a year?

Thirty-six thousand. And I had to live off that. And so I had to go to teaching. I was teaching from 7:00 AM to 4:00 PM. And then I would literally run to a position, like a nanny position, and I would nanny from 4:30, and I would get done in between 9:30, 10:00. And I wasn't even going out to eat and blowing my money over here or shopping is free.

You couldn't. You literally couldn't.

And it was just so wild to me because I had this moment. I was sitting there and I was like, You can't even have a social life. Because between gas and groceries, and you have your car payment, and you have your apartment rent, whatever that is, it's like, what else do you have left? And I had no debt. And so that's what was just so wild to me, is how are people who paid their way through college and still have to pay off loans, how are they doing this?

The thing is, though, Michelle, you made me think about something that I didn't even consider how much our social life is tied to spending money. I didn't even think about it right now until you just said it. Wow. Oh, wow. You gave me a lot to think about. So at the end of that season, you and your ex got offered 200,000 USD from the producers of The Bachelor for a down payment on a house. And then, unfortunately, you all broke up. So were you able to keep that money, half that money, 10% of that money? Did you just put it down a middle? How did that work?

So that's the first time that they've ever done that. And And so I was told that we were going to split it. And so at that point, I had already talked to multiple people and we're like, Hey, can I donate this? Can I push it forward? Can I do something with it? I don't want to just take it. It just feels weird, right? And it was just a really nasty situation. And then as the lawyers and people dug into it, it's like, Oh, there's this contingency at the bottom that if you split, you don't get to keep it. So we never really We never saw it. We never anything. And I had my plans on what I wanted to do with it. But now I've turned that into utilizing my own money to still create the plan that I was going to create. So it's taking a little bit longer, but I was able to push it and build a nonprofit, but didn't come from that 100,000 that we would have gotten if we... How we were led with it all.

Michelle, you better than me because I'm going to say, Listen here, we're going to start this Instagram together. We're going to get a YouTube channel. These motherfuckers going to believe we're together because we need this money.

So I was like, Listen. That was just so not my focus or what was on my mind. I was going through a heartbreak.

I know. You genuinely loved him. Yeah. No, I'm with you, Michelle. As much as I kid, I know I wouldn't have been able to fake it. And also that money represents him, that experience. And you have to... There's energy tied to that, in my opinion. Right, exactly.

I think that's why my ideal goal is to just push it towards something good. And that's as soon as it happened and as soon as that just switch over was made, I might have been crying and sick on the bathroom floor. But that's my focus is like, okay, how can I just spin this into something good? And it was just a lot. And it's just something of how much respect you have for yourself, too, and how you're treated. And And there's no amount of money that I would just give or take for someone to continue to not respect you, too.

No, Michelle. Absolutely not. And you I'm a baller. Girl, I take that basketball and baby, I will throw you a chest pass so hard if you don't get out of my face.

Please. I'll make that shit happen on my own. Yeah, I love that. And know what we're doing with Michelle Foundation, with Homework & Hoops and everything that we're doing over here. It's like, yeah, that's what I created on my own from my pockets or my network that I created. And so it's been really good. It's been very empowering, I would say.

Yes. And we're going to get into your non profit soon. I just have one more question. If you could please talk about what it felt like to go from teacher money to celebrity money, like teaching. It isn't great, but it is consistent, right? The Bachelor, you don't know when you're going to get clipped, and you know you were going to be invited back as the Bachelorette. So do you miss that stability? And I would love to know what's been the hardest about the financial shift career rise.

It's the social stigma that goes around, specifically teaching and leaving the profession of teaching. And so you do it for the kids, and that's why you are in the classroom. And so I think it's just been a really tug-of-war game of what society thinks. Oh, well, Michelle left the classroom to go chase money. And it's like, when you put it like that, it sounds really nasty, but no, you get burnt out, and you get exhausted, and you're not respected, and you can't even make ends meet. And then you switch to this piece, and it comes with the price. And there's a lot of amazing experiences because I don't want to come off ungrateful because I'm so grateful for the platform I have and being able to do the positive impact. But it's also when we look at social media, the weight of it, a lot of it's not positive. So it's a platform, but it does come with a price. And so, yes, it's a huge jump in a paycheck, and that's a lovely thing. But it also is just you're never off work. So it's tricky. And I feel like there's times where I'm not allowed to have a bad day because if I'm out in public and if I look upset or I look mad, it's like there was a video that was released a little less than a year ago, last summer.

And it was this about how someone came up and spoke to me and I was just unpleasant. And it was like, oh, well, all of the money and all the influencing has gone to her head. And what people didn't know is I was pissed off. And the reason why I was pissed off is because I was at the gym working out, and I went into the locker room, and I was changing because I had just gone in the steam room. I was changing. I had showered, and some young girl took out her phone and was slyly videoing or taking a picture and was talking to her friend about it. And so, yeah, I was unpleasant. So when she came up to me and asked me for a photo once we got outside the locker room, I said, I believe you already got your photo. It's so frustrating because you just want to be like, No, the reason I was pissed off and maybe not so nice is because I was standing up for myself because you took a picture of somebody in the freaking locker room in the changing room at the gym. The gym is my safe space.

Come on. Privacy. There's It's just a boundary that's crossed. And that's what's crazy is because it's not the money that changes it, it's the people and how people treat you. And that's what makes you have a little bit of a harder shell sometimes. And here's a The thing, though, is that I love my... I love fans. I love my supporters. I have a ton of teachers and a ton of women that follow me, and I want to talk to them. I would love for someone to come up and say, How are you? Instead of just taking a picture or a video across the bar. I don't want to just be the prize of a picture that you're going to post and then get Instagram likes or whatever it is. If you truly care or connect with what I'm saying and who I am as a person, I want to connect back with you.

Bottom line, don't take pictures of Michelle Young in the motherfucking bathroom, because if she tell me about that, I'm hitting the corner. Don't fucking do that to Michelle. I don't like that. Don't do that to my sister. And it's Black History Month. I wish you would. I wish you fucking would. Don't do that. Period. One more time for the motherfuckers in the back. Leave Michelle alone, okay? Now, when we come back, we're going to start talking about her new nonprofit, the Michelle Young Foundation. That's in a minute.

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Okay, so we're going to move on to your nonprofit, a lovely topic, and you're in the middle of launching it. Your first nonprofit, actually, the Michelle Young Foundation. Clap it up or insert clap here. So what How did you learn about the process of starting a foundation, and how do you think it's different for Black girls?

Shit. They make it really hard to help people. That's what I keep saying over and over again.

They make it so damn hard to help people.

Why is this such a hoop jumping thing? Starting a nonprofit, you would think nonprofit. It takes a lot of money to start a nonprofit for the founder.

That's the oxymoron right there.

Yeah. That's where it's so funny, it's the Michelle Young Foundation. You can't just wake up one day and be like, Hey, I want to start my own foundation. There's legal paperwork. You have to pay for the lawyers. You have to pay for all these different things. The trademarks. And a lot of times, trademarks. And the website and the socials and the staff, just all this other stuff going into it. And that's before you decide to start school programs. So with what I'm doing, it's really a lot of money that comes out of my pocket, a lot of money. And so it's something that you have to really want to do. And it's been really fulfilling. It's been really stressful. I've learned a lot about legalities of nonprofits. And my biggest focus is being able to make something that's sustainable and that can continue to grow, because a lot of people who get into this do it a lot later in life. The average person who starts nonprofit is, I think it was between 50 and 54. I'm 30, and they're typically white. And so I'm definitely an abnormal person to be doing this. Hey, woman of color, that's nothing new to me, but it's been a process for sure.

I commend you so much, and I would love to know more about the work that you're doing. What do you see is lacking in the school system right now, and what is your foundation looking to do about it?

Yeah. So the school system is lacking everything. Now it's lacking teachers.

Lacking toilet paper, Insoles.

It's literally lacking everything. But the biggest thing that when I was in teaching is just seeing the difference between our students of color and our other students. And it comes down to everyone's heard about the achievement gap, the opportunity gap. Especially after COVID, it really has just grown a lot with our underprivileged students. And so what I wanted to do is I wanted to create an after-school program that allows students in a fully-funded opportunity to get to play an organized sport and to get homework help or targeted skill work. Because those are the two things where you can grow social emotional skills. I grew up playing basketball, and the reason why I left college and got early into my profession and was so successful is because of the different experiences I had and learned on the court. You think about teamwork, working on a team. You think about maintaining those relationships, being able to navigate through something, adversity, when you're pissed off and when you're angry and be able to- Learning how to lose. How to lose. There's just so many things that come through that opportunity. And so many of our students are underprivileged students, our students of color, who can't play an organized sport because when they go home, they're taking care of siblings.

Or they don't have the money to do it. They don't get that opportunity whatsoever to learn and grow when our other students do. And so with Homework & Hoops, it's an after-school program where we have learning coaches and activity coaches, and we do that targeted skill work. So we work with them on meeting them with where they're at academically. Math and literacy are our main focuses. And then we have our activity coaches who come in and get to coach, do basketball skill work. And we're trying to provide transportation so that accessibility is not an issue.

And this is going to be launching all over the US?

So I'm actually partnering with the YMCA this spring.

That is amazing. We're just huge.

Michelle, congratulations. Thank you. So I was able to go in and we're working. Our focus is underprivileged students. So we're going into North Minneapolis, and we are going to be piloting with the YMCA at one of our schools. And that's our time to get those kinks out and to really see how it works. And then next year, we would love to open up a few more programs. And then we do have our license in California as well, and we'll have our international license. So being able to grow as we can to stay sustainable, but then provide it worldwide is the goal here.

Okay, so now are you heading it up? Are you going to spend time on the court and in the classroom? I'm curious to know, are you excited to get back to day to day, being with kids and stuff? Yeah.

So this first program I'm coming through piloting, I made a post that I'm back in a classroom. I'm running it. So I am the learning coach. So I am the teacher. I'm really heading up this first pilot program. Yeah, this first time around, I really meant it when I said I'm going to be back in a classroom because I will be the teacher. Ms. Young really is back. Coach Young is back, and I'm quite excited about it.

So we're now towards the end. I'm so sad because I found my new best friend. And so I would love to know, what advice would you give to Michelle from 2020? Besides wear a mask, or to other people who want to start their own nonprofit?

Just really getting into reading about finances. Because when you go through school, I just never was exposed to anything about finances. And so it's intimidating, but either asking for help for people to explain it to you or sit down and plan with you getting a financial advisor. But like you said at the beginning of this podcast, destigmatizing, being able to talking about money and being able to sit down and put time into looking at, Okay, what would this actually cost? How would I go about this? How will this change my life? And you can just read about either the horror stories of starting something like a nonprofit or the amazing stories where it can become this beautiful thing. But it's hard to get started, and it does take money. Everything takes money. You breathe, and you have to keep spending money, and really just taking time to budget and do that. I would recommend that for anybody who is looking I'm looking at, honestly, starting a nonprofit, but also with everything in life. Everybody should budget.

Yes. Thank you so much for coming on the Dome, Michelle. I think your story and the work that you're doing is really incredible. It's so impressive how you've managed this huge transition in your life without losing your sense of the work you feel called to do. And I'm super excited to see where you and the foundation go from here. Please follow Michelle Young on the socials, and please support her foundation. It was such a pleasure speaking with you, Michelle.

And thank You're welcome. Thank you so much for having me. Bye. Bye.

One more time, everybody give it up for Ms. Michelle Young. You all, she is the most incredible role model for these youth. Imagine going from barely making ends meet as a teacher to making triple your salary overnight. And she kept her calling in mind. She's still looking to be of service. Not all of us are going to be on the bachelor, but I think we can all learn something from Michelle. Life throws us all curveballs. Sometimes it's going through a breakup in front of millions of people. Sometimes it's just your car getting towed. Okay, yes, that's personal. But no matter what your ups and downs are, the most important thing is to be true to your values, to know who the fuck you are and live out your purpose. If you got that, you're going to be okay no matter what happens. Eat the meat and spit out the bones, baby. And that's something you can chew on. Okay. There's more of the Dough with Lemonada Premium. Subscribers get exclusive access to bonus content like more of my combo with Michelle Young. Subscribe now in Apple podcast. The Dough is a Lemonada original. I'm your host, X-Mio.

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