I'm Lulu Garcia-Nvaro.

And I'm David Marquesi.

We're the hosts of a news show at the New York Times. It's called The Interview.

Every week, one of us is going to talk with a fascinating person in the culture, actors like Anne Hathaway.

I find it hard to imagine that people would be interested in me. That's one of the reasons why I don't know that I'm a very good celebrity.

Politicians like the Israeli opposition leader, Yair Lapid.

I'm as worried as I've ever been for the future of our country. Sometimes it takes only one really bad government in order to, I don't want to say destroy, but weaken a country from within significantly.

Comedians like Marlon Wayans.

It's a high that you get when you don't know if this joke that I'm about to say is going to offend everybody or they're going to walk out, and you tell it, and everybody cracks up and you're like, whew.

The people who are shaping are international conversations like Charlemagne the God.

If me as a Black man, if I criticize Democrats, then I'm supporting MAGA. But if I criticize Donald Trump and Republicans, then I'm a Democratic shell. Why can't I just be a person who deals in nuance?

It's The Interview from The New York Times. New episodes every Saturday, starting April 27th.

Listen wherever you get your podcast.