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Joe, your american masculine shirt. We both. We didn't even coordinate, but we're both wearing american flags.

Yeah, well, I mean, it's that time, right? It's time to start saying, you know what? I'm an american, American, and that's cool.

Before you say mean, if you don't, we're on the way to saying, I'm chinese.

Yeah. Well, how's your Mandarin?

Yeah, might be a good time to learn it as they're all sneaking in across the border. That's one of the more disturbing things. When I talked to Bret, Weinstein was talking about how many chinese military aged men are sneaking across the border, and you want to look at it the best way possible. You say, well, it's probably a bunch of people that are looking for work, and it's probably a bunch of people that there's not as many chinese women and they're looking for a girlfriend or something. Why do they have military haircuts? Well, they're probably just like a young man thing.

I mean, I've heard more specifically, I can't vet it, so I can't prove it. So there's the grain of salt up front, but I've heard that even chinese special forces, if I was a special forces of a hostile country, I'd try to sneak across and do infiltration. So I've heard that there might be even hundreds or thousands of those. Not hundreds of thousands, hundreds or thousands, but I don't know if that's true.

Well, it's not even really sneaking in anymore, is it?

No, you just kind of walk across and, I mean, there's even memes that are like, I'm going to go to Honduras and give up my american citizenship and come back across. So everything will be paid for, for know. It's like, no, it's not sneaking across, as they are saying, full scale invasion.

Well, it's just weird. It's weird that we've just kind of. I mean, there was always customs. There's always, you land, they check out your stuff, they look at your paperwork, they go through your passport, they ask you questions, why are you in this country? And it's always been that way. I was watching this video with, you know who dead mouse is? Yeah, dead mouse, the musician, the DJ. He was trying to come into the country to visit his friend, and they said, no, you're coming into work. He's like, no, I'm coming. Because he's famous. He works. He's like, no, I get paperwork. And they kicked him out of the country for like seven years.

Whoa.

He should have just walked through.

Yeah, right.

He should have been fine.

Do whatever I want.

But what a bizarre thing if you're undocumented, if you are poor, and if you're going to do cheap labor, walk right in. But if you're a highly skilled, world famous DJ and you want to go visit a friend, we're concerned that you might actually be working there.

Yeah. Or like a super pro tennis player who's going to go play in the US Open. But no, maybe not, right?

Well, that was the vax.

That was the VA. By the way.

Neil Young came back to Spotify. Congratulations, Neil.

Yeah, well, that's good news.

And his excuse was he said that because all of the platforms are now allowing my disinformation so that his just go back on Spotify, too.

Oh, yeah.

Great to know you've got some ethics.

Yeah, well, everybody's doing it these days, disinformation. But, yeah, I mean, there's a strategy. The reason the border is the way that it is. Well, there's a strategy. I don't know who's playing the strategy for sure, but the cloud pivot strategy, I'm sure you've heard of that. Somebody's got to have talked to you about the cloud pivot.

Can you explain it?

Yeah, it's pretty simple. The idea is that you take advantage of a system and the way that it's set up so that you overwhelm it. In particular in this case, you're going to overwhelm social services, you're going to overwhelm border enforcement, you're going to overwhelm whatever they're doing in the cities. It's like tens of thousands of dollars per taxpayer or whatever per year going to dealing what they're calling the migrant crisis. So you try to overwhelm the system in order to basically collapse it so that you can create a crisis, and the crisis creates the excuse to bring in new policies. Oh, well, maybe what we need is, what do they call it? Evarify or something. So we need a digital system where we can track who everybody is, but then they get their digital system and then you're off to the races. Yeah, but, yeah, this is an old strategy, well documented.

Who do you think is implementing this strategy, and what are the conversations, do you think?

Well, it's not possible to deny that the Biden administration is implementing it because look, they tried to fight Texas on securing its own border to protect its own citizens. That blew up. What was the end of January? Is that when it all blew up?

Very recently?

Yeah, it was pretty recent. And so certainly they are. We know historically that the open Society foundation or the Soros foundation, which is open society, has been funding that and has been helping out. We know that the UN is involved now. These aren't mysteries. The UN is coming and doing aid and coaching them and somebody's organizing. Not just, it's like, it's not just a bunch of people from South America and China or wherever else, or Mexicans wandering up to the border and just, hey, I'm here. There's like are it's caravans, there's help. It's coordinated with a lot of money behind it. And we know that those organizations, for the United nations particularly, is helping this. So big players.

So what do you think the strategy is? The strategy is to implement some sort of a worldwide verification system. And the way to get these freedom loving shitheads in America on board is to turn America into a crime ridden place of immigrants coming from very hostile places where their life has been very hard and they've been in prison or whatever, and they're escaping that and they're coming to America and then they're off to the races.

Yeah, well, I mean, that's a plausible motive, right? Is let's overwhelm this system because these freedom loving shitheads here in America, which I think I am for sure, look at your shirts. Look at me. Yeah, but no, I really am. I'm still, at the end of the day, I just kind of want to be left alone to live my life. Like, you do your thing, I'll do my thing. If you understand, there are two lines. Let's be real clear before I say, do whatever you want. As long as you don't hurt anybody, it's not clear enough. There are two lines. Do you understand the difference between public and private? And do you understand the difference between adult and child? If you understand those two lines, and you're on the right side of those, I don't care what you do in private. As long as this was adults, I don't care what you do. Leave me alone. I'll leave you alone. You're cool? I'm cool. Like, let's not interfere with, which is.

How we all should be. That's what real freedom is.

But we don't want a system tying us like the chinese social credit system is real, right? This isn't some conspiracy out in the world, whether or not it's coming to the United States as a question, whether Americans would want it as a question. But it's in China. That's real. In China. That's been there for a decade. I've been to China. I've experienced life there. And the fact of the matter is that worldwide verification system would set something like that up. You can also overwhelm the US system so that all of a sudden it has to start taking some kind of an emergency measure to deal with whatever problems. We can talk about the crisis here in the United States, but holy crap, look at what's going on in the UK. I was over there right at the end of October. So on October 7, we all know what happened in Israel, and then all these huge protests broke out like pro Palestine. So I had some places to go. I don't really give a shit about my surroundings all that much. I'm going to do what I want to do as long as I'm not, like, customer.

So I'm walking against the grain up this. Whatever they said, like 150,000 or something like that. People waving the palestinian flag, walking down the street the other way on their march in London, because I had to get where I was going. London's in trouble, right? Like, the UK is in trouble. When we start talking about this overwhelming the system we're looking at, these kind know much more generous social democracies. Sweden, Germany's host, I mean, their economies possibly in freefall, the UK. And at that point, what does the solution look like, right? How could they fix that problem? Now? Belgium's a big one. I was riding with this guy I went to, spoke at the EU parliament this time last year. So I'm riding with this dude and it turns out he's like the European James Bond. He's like driving me from the airport and he's, yeah, you know, we've got to deal with this problem. I do all this security stuff or whatever, and he's talking to me about how you can get arrested if one of them starts a fight with you and you do anything about it, it's racism, and you'll end up hauled before a tribunal that's happened to him.

And it's like, we've got to start figuring our way to get them out. But it's like, how do you get them out? And I don't mean everybody. I mean the people who are causing criminal problems, the people who aren't trying to follow belgian law or UK law or whatever else, and they're going on TV saying, you know, there's that imam or whatever the other day that famously went on and was like, in London and was, know, we're going to take this country, we're not going to follow your rules, we're not going to follow your law. I don't remember what he said. So that's not exactly right. A lot of information passes between these ears these days. But fact of the matter is, the question becomes, when you have a crisis at that scale, what are your options for fixing it? And I think that's part of the cloud pivot strategy, is how do you end up fixing a problem that's at that scale? I think they're doing the same thing. To be honest with you, it sounds all crazy conspiratorial, but I think this is why I've been peddled to the metal with the transition stuff, the trans stuff.

If you end up with a million kids, you've got a million kids, like, they really are on the medical system. What do you do with them? What do you do with a million kids? And then their parents and their aunts and uncles, everybody, the whole system has to start bending around a reality that was kind of manufactured, and you can get some major changes.

But it seems like this, if you want to go full tinfoil hat, there has to be a plan. So that means there has to be conversations.

There has to be a bunch of.

People that agree to this. Who are those people and how do those conversations take place?

Well, I mean, who are the people? Well, again, I just point back, the Biden administration has to have had conversations. They petitioned the Supreme Court to stop Texas from enforcing its border. I would love to know what those conversations look like. Whoever's funding it at some point had to sit down at a table, probably not exactly like this. It might not have as much cool stuff on it, but they sat down and they signed some contracts and said, this is where the money's going to go.

Do you think it could be that it's the federal government putting power over state governments to make sure that state governments don't say we can do what we want?

Well, I mean, that's the fight between Texas and the federal government. So for sure that's part of it. But I think there's the United nations that's kicking this, too, that's pushing this. A lot of people don't understand, and I'm skipping around. The United nations sees itself as a kind of global entity, 193 member states, blah, blah, blah, 17 sustainable development goals to transform our world. All that but I'm going to skip over and talk about, like, Soros for a second because we know that the open Society foundation has pushed a lot of this kind of stuff, too. And a lot of people don't understand Soros or what is the open society that he's talking about? Well, that's based off of a lot of people don't know. Soros's mentor was the famous Carl Popper. And Carl Popper wrote a book in 1945 called Open Society and its enemies. And so the open Society is what we've been taking for granted, basically, in the post World War II era. And it's what we want. That's where it's a free society, it's a high trust society. People can do what they want. They don't have to worry, know whether they're going to get carjacked all the time or whatever else.

And Soros is like, well, you could have that in the nation, or you could have that where there's kind of one open society in the globe. So a lot of people start thinking that he's working with China, but he doesn't like China because China doesn't have an open society. That's not what he wants. But the idea that there's this line that comes across the south of Texas and New Mexico and Arizona and California, where arbitrarily, so to speak, the United States says, this is our land and Mexicans have to stay out, he would be against that. This should be like an open Pan american kind of mega continent kind of in his mind with one society. So what do you have to do? Well, you have to dissolve a border. And how can you dissolve a border? Well, make so many people be able to cross that border through changes legally and through flooding the system so that the border doesn't really mean anything anymore. Because borders are simple, right? What is a border? It's a line we draw on a map. And we say laws on this side of this border mean this. And laws on the other side of this border are different, right?

Us has law, Mexico has law. And this line is where we have us law versus mexican law on either one step across, and now you're in another set of laws. That's what they mean. That's what borders are as a political entity. But if you can water that down, so it's like, well, there's so many people coming across, is there really a border?

Right.

That's the idea. Because Soros's idea is a global, open society. Everything in the whole, maybe, I don't know if it's that extreme. But maybe you don't need just. It's like the EU, but for the whole world.

Wouldn't a better option be America but for the whole world?

I would say so because you can look at Europe and see that the EU is not doing really well.

We're. We're not sneaking into Mexico.

No.

In fact, you can just drive into Mexico. Mariana Van Zeller, who does that fantastic show, trafficked.

Yeah.

You ever watched that show?

No.

That lady is a gangster.

Oh, man.

She goes to the craziest places. She goes to Colombia and watches them make cocaine and then goes through the jungle with them when they have it on their backs. So she did one in Los Angeles where it turns out that cops, dirty cops in LA, are confiscating weapons and then selling them to the cartel. And they just drive into Mexico with them because nobody checks you when you go into Mexico. So these guys have trunk fulls of AKs and they're just driving into Mexico and she goes with them.

Holy crap.

The whole episode is documenting. See, we're not sneaking into there. You could just go right into there. They're sneaking into here with the best case scenario. Is it even possible to have this everywhere? Well, that's what we wanted. Right. And that was the whole idea of spreading democracy. But it doesn't totally seem like it worked.

Yeah, no, it doesn't seem like it worked. And there are some big reasons for that.

Well, powers.

The power is a big one. And the fact is when you start getting divorced too far away from mexican issues, being ruled over in, say, Ottawa is a little bit. Right.

Right.

But so there's that kind of stuff. But there's also a huge geopolitical. I hate misusing that word. I learned what the word geopolitical really means.

What does it really mean?

It means politics of earth, things like waterways, oceans.

Interesting.

And so it's like I've always used it wrong, too. I go totally, like, autistic every time I say the word now. And I'm like, damn it. I know it means something different because we all use it wrong, but I'm going to use it wrong anyway. There's a geopolitical move from China right now called the Belt and Road Initiative. And the Belt and Road initiative that's tied to the brics. That's the idea, is that the entire global south with China as its head is going to become the new epicenter, the superpower of the world. And it's going to be not just trade. I mean, China doesn't exactly trade on fair terms. They're going to go and basically exploit places. We'll build you a nice airport. We'll build you a nice port. We'll build you some highways. By the way, they all go straight to the mine, and we're taking all of your lithium when we come in. That's your deal. And now you're economically dependent on us. Pretty standard game that they're playing. And that Belt and Road initiative actually is a competing interest to spreading democracy around the world. So I know Vivek Ramaswamy really hit this out of the park where he said, we went over to China and said, let's spread democracy to China.

So, in a sense, we bit off way more than we could chew, if you want to think of it that way. Let's spread democracy to China. And China was, ha ha. Yeah, let's see. And they flipped the table on us and made it so that if you want to get in the chinese market, so first they become the manufacturing base of the world, but then if you want to play in the chinese market, what do you have to do? Well, the CCP puts up a firewall, and if you don't play by the chinese rules, you don't get into China. So now Nike and all these know, corporations and all these other NBA. I named Nike because it just keeps coming to mind. But there's a huge consumer market over there that's buying up stuff like crazy. That's one of the things I witnessed in China. Everybody's starting to have money, so they're buying up brand name stuff everywhere that they can all the time to show that they have some money now. And huge market, so they want into the market. The market's gigantic. It's the manufacturing. You know, relationships are built, but if you want to play, you play by chinese rules.

So spreading democracy partly didn't work because we have to play by China's rules. And that's their Belt and Road initiative is meant to create a global south network. So we're the global north, that's South America, parts of Africa, a lot of, like, Indonesia, India, and then China. Of course, BRICS just throws Russia into that mix, but otherwise, that's who you're talking about. And China is setting itself up to be the kind of global superpower or hegemon of that entire project. And we're talking, know, the flow of trillions of dollars of goods and oil and energy and whatever every year. So that's a huge thing to play with. And it turns out, I don't think if we take Vivek's line. We got out foxxed in the deal. So spreading democracy. There are lots of these cultural reasons. Oh, they're not ready for democracy. I don't know. Maybe some places, maybe not some places, but there are other pressures, too, that we've been asleep to. We have not been paying attention as a country. Maybe some of our State Department people have been to China for the way that we should have been. We should have been in the, like, oh, no, China, right?

But we were like, oh, yeah, China. Okay, cool. Go make all of our cheap stuff for us.

Well, they've done an amazing thing in combining communism with capitalism.

That's right.

If you just have North Korea, you never develop a real superpower.

Thank you, Joe. I beat this drum and I get called crazy all the time because what I'm trying to tell people is that communism is what's happening to this country. Okay? But it doesn't look like communism because it's like, how is nike communist?

Right?

And I'm picking on Nike. How is Boeing? Let's pick on Boeing instead. How is Boeing communist? How is Disney communist? Right? They're huge megacorporations. What did Google just lose over its stupid AI? $90 billion or something? It's something insane. Like, I didn't even know they had that much money to lose. And it's like, holy crap. And stockholder value or whatever, or shareholder value.

It was only 9 billion.

I thought that was Bud light. That was not.

No, Bud light was 27.

But look at what we're, like, haggling.

Over, like, insane amount.

1112 figure.

I know, right?

Yeah. And so it's like at least ten figure numbers of money. Elon kind of rolls in that department, but nobody else does. So anyways, where was I going with this? Because this is huge. Oh, the communist. How in the world are these huge things? Communist. Right. So communism didn't work. Right. Soviet Union sucked. North Korea sucked. Cuba sucks. I'm sure it's geographically beautiful, but we know those places are dysfunctional as hell. We can go to the eastern bloc. They're still devastated in a lot of ways. They're still not all the way together. Communism didn't work. But if we think of, like, what Marx did leading up to, say, 1917, when Lenin kind of took over as communism 1.0, that never really even got off the ground. Then Lenin got it off the ground, and you get the soviet model, which is Soviet just means committee, by the way, if you didn't know that. It's like a ruling council or committee so soviet model takes over with what they called Marxism Leninism. And that worked kind of. They still had it in China till Mao died. They had it in Soviet Union until what, 89, 91, something like that, when it fell.

But what happened was, when Mao died, the Soviet Union wasn't doing great. It was starting to fall apart. A new model got picked up and nobody's. We talk about Mao Zedong sometimes, and I would love to talk to you all day about Mao. That's my new research project. But we don't talk about his successor. His successor was Deng Xiaoping. And this is where I actually disagree with Vivek about what I was just saying. Deng Xiaoping had a saying that was, I don't care if the cat is black or white, as long as it catches mice. And what he was talking about is, I don't care if we use markets or we use a soviet style central committee to organize our society as long as China's economy comes back. That's what he really meant. And so Deng didn't come up with this new model to open the markets on his own. We didn't go to China necessarily just to spread democracy. We went to build China. And who's we? Well, let's name the names. Who was in the meeting? And there's a movie about. Some of these meetings were in China. And there's not a movie, but there's a movie called Mr.

Deng goes to Washington that took place in Washington, DC. So you can go watch the movie. I'm not making this up. Deng Xiaoping was the leader of China. He's already networking with Klaus Schwab from the World Economic Forum in his spacesuit. But he meets with. And the list of people were Henry Kissinger, Jibinu Brzenski, allegedly Th Chan, David Rockefeller and the sitting new emperor or whatever, CCP chairman of China, Deng Xiaoping. And they cook up this plan to open chinese markets. And the plan was to maybe to spread democracy into America, but I suspect it was mostly to get really rich. We open those markets, huge amount of money. Giant multinational corporations are not tied to any geographical place, and they can get rich off their balls. Now, some of these guys, I think, were also ideologically motivated. The Rockefellers have funded communist crap all over the world for a very long time. China was communist. Deng Xiaoping said, I'm not opening the market for the market. I'm opening the market for socialism, to make socialism productive. And so they had a, I think there was more of a plan there than we take into account, which means Vivek gives.

I need a tinfoil hat. Vivek sees that our motivations in building China were necessarily good. I think the motivations for building China were to create the pincher of a trap that's called thucydides trap in ancient kind of military strategy that the only escape from would be to facilitate China's rise and decimate the west in order to avoid a nuclear tipped World War II. I think they knew what they were doing.

So you rich on it? You think by spreading democracy, their idea was to reinvigorate China's economy so that China becomes a threat?

Yeah.

Really?

Yeah.

So 4d chess, the back pages of Reddit conspiracy.

Well, listen, we know that Klaus Schwab is kind of. If there are conspiracies. The James Bond villain, kind of not quite out of central casting.

See the photo we have of him in the bathroom? Yeah, with the Darth Vader spacesuit.

I'm the one who told you about his spacesuit. We put it up on the.

Yes, yes.

Do you know who Klaus Schwab's mentor was?

I do, but I forgot.

Henry Kissinger.

That's right.

Who was in the same meeting. This is a Harvard.

His father was a Nazi.

I can't vet that for positive. Sure, but that's what I have heard.

What is the truth of that? Let's find out. Who is Klaus Schwab's father? At least his father did something.

Wasn't he the guy that was bringing the nuclear technology for the Nazis to South Africa or something?

Something crazy like that.

I mean, I know the story vaguely. I knew it at one point.

You can't help who your father.

Correct.

And, you know, unfortunately, you get born, your dad's a Nazi.

I'm much less worried about Klaus being a Nazi than I am. Like, he has an interview he gave where he's in his office and behind him, up on the bookshelf is a bust of Lenin. How the hell did that get right? Other than Jordan Peterson, who puts one of those up? Communists. Jordan's studying them and that's why he puts them up as a reminder. No shade at, obviously. But Klaus has got know big ambitions, I think. And his mentor was Kissinger.

Well, he's such a strange guy. The way he talks about it, too. It's so right out of a movie like, this cannot be real. No one is, really. You will owe nothing. And you will be happy with that accent. And no one's freaking out.

I think that my favorite ones where he's having the conversation, he's like, yes, in some years, vivo all have chips on our brains. And so you will be sitting there and I will be sitting here, and Vivo will be having a conversation.

There was a false attribution. So it's fake. Inaccurate. This is from a book I read. Yeah, this is Reuters founder Klaus Schwab. Family tree shared online. So what is the inaccuracies? He was related to the Rothschild family. Oh, that was the fake one.

Oh, yeah, because his mother is my super secret.

Okay, so that's fake. That's not true. But the thing about his father, this is explaining what his father was. His father was jewish. And his father did what? Well, if his father was.

Don't open that can.

Well, I mean, that's the whole thing with Soros, though. Soros was jewish, and his uncle took him around as a young boy when they confiscated property from the Jews. And he had to pretend that he was a Christian.

Yeah. Did you ever see the interview?

So who is his dad? I mean, I'm trying to get to something that says it. Okay, we should really clarify that. Miss it. Okay, so who is this gentleman? Wilhelm, what did he do? Wilhelm, what did you do? Okay, did Soros's or Klaus vob's Faza work for Hitler? Claim George Soros worked for Hitler? Okay, but what did his dad do? Because this book that I read was about elite power structures and they go into the World Economic Forum. I wish I could remember exactly what they were saying, but it was something to the tune of who his dad worked with.

Well, I'll just be clear, since you have the Tim foil hat right now, Joe. My source for his mentor being Kissinger, is a book that was published by the World Economic Forum called the World Economic Forum the first 40 years, which was published in 2011 to brag about how cool they've been. He also brags that in 78, he started making connections to Deng Xiang and trying to bring the stakeholder, as he called it, capitalism model, into China, which is what China actually installed. It's this dirty fusion of neoliberalism, which is basically, how do you get huge corporations to basically suck off of the government? And that's the thing the left has been mad about for 50 years. How do you fuse that to communism? And China is the answer. And what I think is all this ESG stuff was constructed around it to make the west have it, too.

So, environmentalism, social. What is it? Environmental, social governance.

That's right.

Yeah, it's ESG.

Yeah.

And that stands for, what is the goal of ESG?

Corporate control.

Goal.

It is to create a metric, a measurement tool to assess the likely long term viability of a corporation based on its environmental, social, and internal corporate governance.

Long term viability for the nation?

No, for the corporation. Because here's what's going on, is ESG was created at the United nations in 2003 by a guy named James Gifford. And the point was, he said, well, there's at that point, about $6 trillion of money that's sitting out there. It's people's pensions. It's like passive, right? Mutual funds, index fund, all this mutual funds, particularly 401 ks. There's state pension funds, in particular, $6 trillion in the world sitting out there. That's just people's retirement funds gaining interest, playing in the market through this money management. And the question James Gifford asked was, he was a forest guy. He was like, how do we apply that to saving the forests? Save the trees, right? And so he came up with this idea that if we had environmental assessments, anytime you have a metric, you can use that metric in some way or another. In other words, or you can game that metric. If we had metrics to say, well, how environmentally compliant are companies? Like kind of an extension of corporate social responsibility, they used to call it. If we can measure that, then what we can do is we can start directing. We can say, well, companies that have a long term or that have good environmental policy have a better long term portfolio, but these are 30 year investments because they're people's pensions.

So that's long term success that we're interested in, not boom and bust cycles in the market. So the stated ambition not just to do what I said, but is specifically to do that, to bring that passively invested money into what they call impact investing. In other words, to do activism with investor money by investing in green energy companies or green other environmental companies, or socially just companies or companies with good governance. And in principle, at least, the good governance thing should work. But the thing is, corruption exists. I don't know how they neglected to account for that if we give them all the credit in the world. So, like, right now, it's super corrupt. I just did a podcast about this where I had this document. It's not like some mysterious document. It's on the Harvard website where they're talking about corporate bonuses, right? So it's Harvard corporate law website document, and they're talking about corporate bonuses and the corporate bonus structure and that your governance score, your ESG score. So the G part will go up. If you give corporate bonuses to yourself for implementing ESG, that's just naked corruption. Right. And so they can come in and say, well, you want a good ESG score?

And they can make that important or whatever. I guess they have made that very important because everybody's doing it. And they say, well, if you want a good ESG score, you need to put an activist on your board, or 30% women on your board or DEI requirements on your Boeing board, or you have to have a good corporate equality index score, which is published by the Human Rights Campaign, which means that you're not just having a nondiscriminatory workplace for LGBT, but you're also promoting LGBT agendas. You're lobbying on behalf of bills one way or the other, and the legislature will tell you which ones. A couple of years ago, they told the airlines they needed to fly around activists to the pride parade so they'd have more people at them for prices. Oh, yeah. Why do you think Dylan Mulvaney's face was on a beer can? The whole fallout of the Dylan Mulvaney explosion at Bud Light, all of it was about the CEI score, because then the human rights campaign came out and said, well, you didn't stand up for Dylan, so we're going to lower your score anyway. And they were like, oh, no.

And then everything got all tossed up. These numbers mean a lot to people. So the stated goal was to create a set of measurements that they could use to justify taking trillions of dollars of other people's money and doing activist investing with it. And that all turned into the s is now Dei. It's woke. It's woke social justice. It's not social responsibility. It's whatever they want. Elon Musk bought Twitter, and his social score for Tesla went through the floor. Like, what did they have to do? And then all of a sudden, Tesla's a racist company. They accused him of, like, what are you talking about? Right? They didn't like that he bought Twitter. Weapons manufacturers like Dick Cheney's Halliburton were social.

Bad, bad, bad, bad.

And then all of a sudden, the conflict in Ukraine breaks out, and they're like, oh, we need missiles. And they change the score basically overnight, because the social environment of the world changed. These are real things. Like, this is all verifiable. So I think it's an instrument. Maybe it wasn't meant to be in 2003. Maybe the guy just wanted to save the trees. But it's become an instrument of control and effectively a social credit system for corporations to force corporations. And that's what Larry Fink said about it on TV. He said, you could pull up the. I'm sure we can find the video and pull it up where he says that we're interested in forcing behaviors and that's what we're doing.

I want to get to that, but I don't want to gloss over Klaus. No, of course I want to remember that.

And I got a George Sorosa I'd love to not gloss over, too.

Okay.

Because he had a crazy interview in 2004 nobody knows about. And I think you'll get a kick out of it.

So hold what you were just saying about Larry Fink. We'll put that.

Yeah, we're piling, Jamie. I could find.

Is this newsweek? And what is about whether he's linked to Nazi Germany? I'll get down to here. There's a post.

Get this on the screen. Look at it. That's not him.

That's not his dad. So that's a fake photo. Right.

So that starts.

Was he worked at this company, Aisher Weiss.

Yeah.

This is where there's no proof, but it also says it's not definitive, but there's no actual. It says Hitler's father, on the other hand, was the managing director of a subsidiary of Zurich based engineering firm, Eicher Weiss. The history of Eugen's relationship with Nazism in general is complex, but there's no substantive evidence of ties to high ranking german leadership, particularly Hitler. No evidence. A fact check published by accredited german journalist dpa used denazification records to uncover that Eugen Schwab was a member. Schwab was a member of some national socialist organizations, but that alone does not prove any relationship to german high command or a belief in Nazi ideology. But wait a minute. But the german national socialist organizations back then, essentially were Nazis, right?

That is what definition nazi.

That's what it means. That's what Nazi means, right?

National socialism. Yeah.

So this is a weird. Sort of feels a little. Yeah, it's dodging, right?

Yeah. And it says he doesn't have evidence of ties to high ranking leadership, but he was a member of organizations tied to the party. Well, just not this.

But hold this while the Escher Weiss branch in Ravensburg, Germany, which Eugen managed, used prisoners of war and forced laborers. It's not clear whether the company was forced to do so by the Nazis or because of a lack of workers. Wait a minute. You just admitted 100% that he's a Nazi. Because that's what Nazis did. They use prisoners of war and force laborers. So they ran prison camps with probably Jews. So what does that mean? That's what the Nazis are we arguing over semantics?

Well, they are.

I don't think we are, but that's an incredible argument to say that he managed a plant, he managed the branch that used prisoners of war and forced laborers. But we're not clear whether he's a Nazi. This is a weird article.

It's super weird. Newsweek.

Well, maybe Newsweek was like, you got to be real careful with what you say.

It's a bit of a damning confidant of Hitler.

And I think they're just saying, there's not a proof that he was that close to him. He could have been doing okay, but this is weird, right? They're discrediting it by saying, maybe he wasn't that close to Hitler. There's no proof. But what they're not discrediting is that he did exactly what was horrific about what the Nazis did in World War II.

Yeah. And I saw the word plutonium up there. So the nuclear stuff that we were talking about is connected.

What a weird article. Very weird article. That's how much power is at the top. Yeah, well, you have to write weird articles like that going, well, there's no real proof that him and Hitler were homies.

Yeah, he was just a member of some national.

Hitler was not unlike reports. His. Hitler was not his top nine on my.

That would be like, you'd think that they would write the article about me because I've said, like, make America great again before, but I've never met. So, like, would they write the article like, James has never met Trump? No. I got an splc profile that's sort of the other way around. Did you know I'm an extremist now, by the way, Joe?

I think I am. Oh, I think I've been labeled that.

They put me in a category called General Hate. So I sent a letter formally thanking them for the title, I am general hate. Like, it's like a war general.

Yeah.

Anyway, I'm funny.

Well, it's just ridiculous. You're a brilliant guy, and you're pointing out really important stuff.

Do you know what one of the first things they go after me for on there is? It's like the second thing that they go after me that I made a series of tweets. So you're a comedian. You get it, right? I made a series of tweets mocking George Floyd on January 6.

On January 6, yeah.

I pretended that George Floyd is, like, leftist Santa Claus. So I was like, if you fight for justice for George Floyd, Spirit of George Floyd will bring you presents on January 6.

Oh, boy.

Just stupid jokes.

Jokes.

I totally had forgotten that I had done it, and then it was on my splc profile. I'm like, oh, my God, these people.

Jokes are on your. Well, did you see about that flemish guy who is a part of the government who just got sentenced to one year in jail for sharing racist memes in a private chat?

I saw that last night. Yeah. Holy crap.

A private chat. So if you got, like, fucking imessage chat group, is that a private chat? Are they talking about that, or are they talking about social media platforms? Either way, guys shared racist memes.

Well, that was, like, when Tucker Carlson went to Russia, which I'm kind of like. I don't know what that's about for sure, but Tucker Carlson went to Russia, and he finds out while he's there that the NSA is reading his encrypted signal chat.

I have a theory about that. I don't think if I was the government and there was a bunch of these companies that do something like that, I'd make my own company.

Yeah, right? Of course.

I'd infiltrate all of them. Yeah, come on, guys. It's not really encrypted, right?

Yeah, totally.

How the fuck do you know? I know a lot of people that trust those things. They'll say wild shit on those things. Hey, talk to me on WeChat or.

Totally owned by Facebook.

Fucking get the fuck out of here, bitch. Let's make a WhatsApp group.

Oh, yeah, that's WhatsApp. Wechat is the one that Wechat.

The chinese one. Yeah, but Jamie, so what was the story behind that?

Which one? The flemish guy?

Yes, I'm reading it right now. I was trying to find out where. I want to know what the memes were, if they're any good. It says they were accused of using a chat group to exchange racist, anti Semitic, and other extremist comments.

But I'm not.

Right, but they saying memes. The problem with memes is it could just be funny. It could be, like, the Jews in the tunnel in New York City.

Yeah.

And something crazy, like they're encountering Gollum down there. And that's a racist meme.

Wasn't like the pepe frog alone. Like a racist meme or something. It's like a frog.

Exactly. But the thing is, you could take that frog and put a Hitler armband on him, and now all of a sudden, the frog is tied to Hitler.

Yeah, exactly.

Which is what they do.

Yeah, that's exactly right.

But it's also. People do use that frog for crazy shit for funsies. Because they're shit posting.

Yeah, shit posting is totally a thing.

Shitposting is a thing. And you have to understand, these people don't even mean what they're saying. They're saying something. Some of them might, but a lot of them are just making something that's so outrageously offensive that it's funny.

Right.

And they're doing it anonymously and they're sharing with people just for the lull.

Yeah, shock comedy, it's totally a thing. And then you got some dude that passes physical fitness test wearing a polo and some khakis. Like, we've got an extremist here, guys. Right?

It's weird that physical fitness and exercise and health is being tied to right wing extremity now. Or extremist.

Yeah, I saw your gym. You're totally a lunatic.

I must be a lunatic.

Yeah.

But there's many times they've tried to push things like that. You're like, what is the motivation behind this? Is this just for clicks and outrage? It could be. Is there like someone who's actually saying that it would be a good idea if we connected health and fitness to right wing extremism so that you would be scared to be fit and full? You want to go full tinfoil hat. Who do you want to have a war with? Do you want to have a war with Trump supporters? Or do you want to have a war with the people who wear pink hats and are mad like our health ministers? Yeah, exactly. Which war do you want to go to? The people that are unhealthy. I'll fight them all day long. They're going to quit. They don't have any training. Just walk up a hill, fight them from the top of a large mountain. That's where you make your base, and no one's making it up there except fit people.

Totally.

I mean, that's probably the reason why they put civilizations up, know, make it really hard to get to them.

Yeah. Lots of advantages.

This is stupid. It's a stupid thing. Everybody should be healthy. You fucking idiot. What are you going to.

I get to take the Tim foil hat back. I think there's a strategy, I call this the politics of compliance, and I think that we've gone through it with everything. In fact, I think it's all they do. It's the same thing over and over again.

Right?

Whether it's COVID, whether it's magas as deplorables, which worked kind of backfired big time. Right? And then whether it's all the identity politics whether it's the environmental stuff, even with this, though, what they do. And this is the politics of compliance. I just did this for Robert Malone. He had me come speak his international crisis summit. And I'm sitting there and I have to talk. It's like nine in the morning. I'm not awake yet. I'm not a morning person. Like, what the hell am I going to talk about? And so this idea comes to my head. Politics of compliance. So what it is, is that you start off by saying, look, we're going to have this glorious, better world, but there are people who are keeping us from getting there, right? So there are the people who want to move forward into the glorious, better world, but then there's the enemies of the people who are dragging their feet. The deplorables, the climate deniers. It doesn't matter if the climate change thinger is true or not because there's a label now, right? The christian nationalists. There's a label now. The racists, the transphobes. So we could have unity, but we can't have unity.

You are making the sacrifice. You got the shot in your arm. You did what you were supposed to. But we can't open up a society yet because these other people are dragging their feet or resisting. So you have to have ways. Then why the fitness thing, right? You have to have ways to identify who the people are that aren't going along with the program. So it's like you. You got blown up for this. You're like, well, I got COVID. I feel like shit. I feel really, really bad. Did you know, by the way, last time I was here, I went home with COVID Even though we did the.

Test, you got COVID?

Yeah, I went home. I had COVID.

How'd you get it, you think?

I think from when I went out to dinner after this, because I felt fine until I got home right?

From dinner, like a couple of hours.

Later, there was somebody at dinner that had like a cold or something. But the COVID I barely got sick, so I didn't know that it was like the person. I would have gone out to dinner. I wouldn't have thought I was sick.

I didn't even say I really got really sick. That's part of the problem, too.

But the thing is that you became an emblem of the thing that you're not allowed to talk about, right? The apple pectin, the horse paste, right? And so there's all those articles. That's why you got all that drama. You got kicked off stuff or whatever. All happened to you? I don't remember exactly what happened, but you were the pariah, man. Why? Well, one of the things I remember you talking about was health and fitness. Like, I'm healthy, I'm fit. I got this set of drugs I took. It seems to work. I felt way better real quick. And they can't have that if they're trying to create this dynamic that all the people who are staying home and wearing a mask and cowering in fear, primarily, or later, more importantly, complying. Complying pharmaceutical. That's why I call it the politics of compliance. So all of a sudden, you became an emblem of, well, maybe you should go outside and exercise sometimes. And that's a huge problem for that group of compliant people. And if you can whip them up or create conditions with misuses of power, like many of our state governments and national, federal government did, Canada really did, and say, well, we have to keep everything closed down for your safety, and we could open it back up, except disinformation.

Right wing extremists like Joe Rogan are out there pushing the wrong ideas. Well, in that case, you can get people to hate the person who's not going along with the program. That's why I call it the politics of compliance.

This is what I could find about this story, the flemish story. Okay, so Belgium's far right prodigy gets prison term for inciting violence.

So this goes back to 2018.

So I'll sort of walk you through. Okay, this is the sentencing that happened.

He got a year.

Five other people in his group got suspended prison sentences. Their charges included hatred, racism, holocaust denial, and breaching local gun law. It's the only notice of that I saw. What is local gun law? Is that, like, depicting guns in a favorable way? Like, what is their law?

It could be that, because if it's.

A meme, isn't that wild? Like, gun law meme?

I love how good you're getting it. Picking apart their BS, though, it said.

Here it showed them posting pictures of themselves holding weapons, saying they're totally ready. Okay, so posting photos, is it illegal to hold the guns? Like, I want to know if they're illegally possessing the guns. Is that what they're saying with gun law? Or is it just photographs of the guns? This is the report from the 2018 documentary that got made about them. Some guy got infiltrated and got into their discord, I think is where they were sharing some of the. So these are far right, allegedly far right people in Belgium not showing the audience this, but this shows some of the memes, I guess okay.

Showing himself as. Yeah. Which ones are illegal?

That one's apparently that Muhammad as a Lego puppet. A Lego toy. And this is this. What are you? Islamic harassment. Reward the heroic man with sex. Obviously Nazi meme when you go full gas. Another obviously Nazi meme. See, these are problematic. You can't be racist if there's only one race. Okay, that's like an anti Hitler meme like that with the gun. So it might have been the problem just holding the gun. So here's the thing. Is that gun illegal there? I don't know which one that didn't exist. Let's google. Just pause for a second and open up a new tab and google belgian gun laws. I want to know if they have laws similar to. There's some countries that have a high population of people having guns. Firearms are generally not allowed in Belgium, but goods such as switchblades and pepper spray are also considered a prohibited weapon. Okay, so you can't carry a gun. Click on that. Can citizens carry a gun in Belgium? See if there's any. See where it says it right there? Just click on that. Whether an arm is legal or illegal mainly depends on who owns it, sells it, or uses it.

While most people are prohibited from owning or using automatic firearms, they are not illegal per se. The armed forces and the police may use them. Traders may procure these arms for them, and arms collectors can own them. So if these guys were an armed collector, they could own them. But that gun was an automatic weapon, I think. I'm not really a gun expert, and I only got a quick glance at it, but it looked like an automatic weapon. At the very least, a semiautomatic weapon could have been that it had a large magazine. Go to the photo again of the gun. Let me take a look at it. So either way, it seems like, unless you're a security person. Yeah, that's an automatic weapon. Unless you're a security person, it might not be, but it could be an AR, it could be a semi automatic weapon. I don't know. But at the end of the day, it seems like unless you're military or police, you're not supposed to own that. Right? So that could be the gun law. Like, they had a photo of it. That makes me feel a little bit better than if it's just like a gun meme.

Because if it was just a meme, that'd be insane.

Well, those memes, those are insane that they're using the Hitler one as an example. It's really like showing that Hitler was crazy.

Right.

This is my thing, we'll have only one race, so no one can be racist. That's fucking ridiculous.

I mean, that's one of the things that the SPLC accuses me of, though, is that I promoted the white genocide theory, which that is not true. But what are you going to do about these things?

Well, there's plenty of people that have said crazy things about white people lately that you're allowed to say that.

I said that if the logic of CRT was played out to its conclusion, that it would end in a genocide of whites, which is a completely different thing. That word if, means a lot if.

It was taken to its fullest example. I think there's also a problem with when you tell people that a group of people are responsible for things, or a group of people, like, just completely composed of individuals with completely different lives. Everyone's got different experiences. And we say that that group of people is either bad or that group of people was responsible for everything. As soon as you do that, you allow othering.

That's right.

Othering is the number one problem we have tribally, culturally, that we can look at other human beings as if they're not us. And this is what's going on in Gaza, in Israel right now.

That's what's going on with this guy. I'm not going to defend whatever, but this dude. The counterreaction eventually to relentless identity politics is for the other side to start saying, okay, identity politics, right or wrong, what it does is it creates more of itself. It's like it's contagious.

It makes people more racist. Yeah, it does. It does. And when they feel like there's racism allowed against white people, that there's this double standard, then they get racist. There's a lot of people that do that, man. And it fuels it. It's fucking horrible. We should abhor racism with everything. We should just treat everyone as individuals.

That's right. Any arbitrary power, especially when it's applied corporately to groups, we should oppose it in Tennessee. It's in our state constitution. The second article or whatever. Section one. Article one.

Or.

I got that backwards. No, article one. Section two. Is that the non resistance? I think I can almost do it from memory. The non resistance against arbitrary power is to be considered slavish, absurd, and against the good and happiness of mankind or something like that. So we should resist racism's arbitrary power? You don't know that guy. Skin color doesn't tell. It's arbitrary to dislike him or to exclude him or whatever, whether he's white, whether he's black, whether he's hispanic, it doesn't matter. Same thing with, like, sexism. You don't know what that woman's capable of for sure. Let her try. It doesn't mean you change the standards. Right. And so this is the pattern that has been exploited and this is where the double standards came from. It's, you should give us access and our sensibilities are like, hell yeah, we should give people access. Let them try. Let them in. Don't exclude people. Racism sucks, homophobia sucks, the sexism sucks, misogyny is awful. Let them in. But then what happens is they say, well, you're not accommodating us. You're not accommodating. So it's like firefighters, like, well, we got to lower the standard. Or military, we got to lower the standard so more women can pass the test.

Well, now we've got a problem, right? And so after you make the accommodation, then you've changed the political structure. And it's one thing if that's just about people, but it's like almost all this stuff seems to forget that manipulators and sociopaths and psychopaths exist.

Exactly.

Because what they're going to do is they're going to come in and they're going to say, you have to change it for me and you change it for them. And then they're going to say, you have to change it for me again. And then you change it for them again. And then an inch or two at a time, you're a mile down the road and you're like, how did I get here?

Right?

But that's the thing. It's like I'm all in this restorative justice thing in the schools. Oh, let's sit around and have a talk circle and talk it out. Two kids get in a fight or whatever, or somebody's doing some antisocial something, let's talk it out. They're the group and let's heal. All right, so it sounds a little hippie to me, but fine, let's look at it. Some percentage, I would guess it's probably three or four, not very big of the population, just to throw a guess out there, because that's roughly where you start. What's the total number of psychopaths, borderline personality and so on. It's about three or 4% of the population. They're going to be like, oh, I can get away with this. I'm not going to get in trouble if I bust some other kid's head at school. I just have to sit in a talk circle and say, oh, I'm sorry. Okay, whatever. And then it's all over and we've healed. There are people who will game a system, and it's like this kind of like empathy driven airy fairy. If we just gave everybody money, there would be no crime. Nonsense is driving us off of a cliff, and it's causing these fights in our schools through terrible policies, like restorative justice policies.

A lot of it's in criminals. I remember all these articles back a year or two ago. I don't know if they're still publishing them. It's like, if we just paid people not to commit crime, they wouldn't commit crime.

Yeah, I've seen that.

Like, what the hell are you talking about? Have you ever done something edgy? It's fun.

It's a part of their identity.

For real. Like, if you're in a gang, that's how you validate yourself, too.

Wasn't there something, they were trying to do this recently. They were trying to give people money to not commit violent crimes. There was like an actual policy that.

Was being proposed somewhere like Maryland or something.

Somewhere nutty. Yeah, like, where you're are. What the fuck did you just say? And the root of it, it's like, if you don't have. Everyone wants a meritocracy. We all agree to that. We want a meritocracy. We want the best people to, and we want competition, which is it allows people to get better, and it allows us to have the best products and the best thing and the best music and the best art. But what is this? I don't know.

I typed in give people money to not commit crimes, and that's what popped up.

This is it. Dreamkeeper foundation fellowship will pay participants. I think this is it. A new program out of San Francisco aims to decrease gun violence by paying high risk individuals at least $300 a month to stay out of trouble. That just means don't get caught. That just means don't get caught. And also, how do you make your money? $300 is not going to cover.

If you're selling San Francisco, especially if.

You'Re selling meth, you're making a lot more than $300.

That's right.

What are they going to do? That's ridiculous. But my point was, where I was getting to is like, everybody wants a meritocracy, but if you can keep it, so there's no equality of opportunity. If you can keep it that way, you're never going to really get a meritocracy. And that would be a better way to control it?

Yeah, sure.

I mean this is full tinfoil hat, like the reason why all these social justice people are so excited about pumping billions of dollars into Ukraine and billions of dollars into whatever's happening with Israel and Palestine. But zero talk about doing that to Baltimore, zero talk about doing that to Detroit, Maui. Well Maui is, that's a different thing. But that is also another thing. But now I feel you the crime. Hey, there's got to be a way to fix this. There got to be some sort of a solution. But if you don't, if we never get, not in ten or 20 years, never get to equality of opportunity, you're always going to have a certain amount of disenfranchised people. You have a portion of your population for sure that's going to be in trouble, they're going to have problems. Then you always got solutions, you've got opportunities, you've got like this little moving game if everything is even and then it's just competition and then America thrives to be the greatest utopian idea of what we'd hoped it would be. Well then it's really difficult to control people because they recognize that freedom is one of the most important aspects of having this kind of amazing opportunity to do whatever the fuck you want, brother.

This is why I wear a tinfoil hat now all the time, basically, except I'm not really afraid of the radio wave, so I don't really wear a tinfoil hat at all. I'm more afraid that this is intentional. In a lot of places we know, in those cities we know.

But if they played it out this much, have they thought about it and said, you know what, we want more crime, we want more illegal illness. And if we keep the chaos, well let me keep passing laws further down.

Because if you read the marxist literature, which is unfortunately my damn job, you can derive a number of different conclusions. One of these conclusions that you can derive absolutely is do you know what repels a revolution in a country better than anything? Stability. Social stability. So if you can destabilize a population, then you can get them to crave a revolution. Or you can, like with the Patriot act, you can get them to ascent, to sacrificing their liberties for security. So if you can destabilize an area, then you can cause them to want to have radical political change. We just saw this, this woman who was in the Fox News this morning. So I have to double check, but she's talking about, was she from in? She's in the government. She says that she wants to burn the country to the ground so her ideology can rise out of it, out of the ashes. Right. So she said this publicly. She's the equity coordinator in one of these cities. If you can find it, Jamie, you can pull it up. I don't know. It was on Fox News. Equity coordinator, burn city, rise from the ashes.

You'll probably find this. We know who's causing these crime problems. It's those Das. We know who ran the Das, who paid the money to run them, is the open Society foundation. They call them Soros Das. We finally broke the spell saying that this very, very rich man and now his very, very rich son are using their very large amounts of money to do things that aren't necessarily great politically.

Well, they used to be able to say, if you criticize George Soros, you're an antisemite. And that was what they always went with.

We got to. Always went with, like, you got to see this thing. I don't want to overload Jamie again, but in 2004, Soros gave an interview to the LA Times. And you can actually look this up. I just thought, that can't be real. It's real. He said that he thinks he's a God. He said that he always suspected that he might be a God. And he kind of controlled it for a long time. And then finally he just kind of realized he is. And he kind of gave into it.

Is it possible that he was doing exactly what you were doing when you were making jokes about George Floyd and January 6?

I mean, maybe I'm trying to think of a time where I would have talked to the Los Angeles Times in a deliberate interview and said, I'm zool.

Maybe he was a little drunk and he was just like, why am I doing this bullshit interview? I'm worth $30 billion.

I mean, he's talking some shit. He reads pretty intentionally, but it's possible. Maybe George Soros was doing some shit, posting to the LA Times. Good times. I would love to ship post these big journalistic outlets now, but 20 years ago, I don't know.

Well, now they're all falling apart. If you want to ship post, you better do it quick.

I mean, you know what I did in the past? I did my ship posting.

You did a lot of shit.

I did some epic ship posting.

What was the thing that we were just looking up before that, though?

The fox thing.

Yes.

Yeah, because you should see this for real. I was like, I saw it this morning.

Yes. The lady said, burn it all down and have her idea of what? Society.

It's unfortunate. I took a screenshot and I can pull it on my phone, but nobody can see that.

Well, there's a lot of people that don't have anything that haven't accomplished anything where that sounds like a good idea.

That's right. So if you can make these people just the headline.

I'm trying to find the video so my ideology can rise from the ashes.

The equity officer. Well, I mean, it's like, okay, lady.

Equity, but if you've created a whole industry based on equity, but also says.

I don't want to work. Exactly what you were just saying.

She also says, I don't want to work. She doesn't want to work.

So we've got to ask the question 100% for real, though, right? Equity official wants her ideology to rise from the ashes. What ideology is it that she wants to. It's the equity one. Well, what is that?

Right.

Do you know the definition of equity?

What is it?

It is an administered system. What's the word I'm looking for? It's an administered system in which shares are adjusted so that citizens or participants are made equal. So it's not equality of opportunity. It's shares are adjusted so people are made equal. So that's when you and I go to the range and I shoot the bow and I suck, and you shoot the bow, and you put it through the hole. Then Jamie goes over and pulls my arrow out, moves it over three inches and sticks it in. And like James tied you, I can't beat you. I have to tie you right. Or we pull your arrow out of the bullseye and we move it over and put it right below mine in the third or fourth ring out. Actually, I missed the target. Let's not brag about my Twitter account. It's worded slightly differently.

I can't wait for society to collapse so my ideology can rise from the ashes. It's different about that burn. I mean, the word burn is different. Rise from the ashes. It says the same thing.

That's what we read in this other quote. In 2020. Fox has stitched some things together here.

Okay, so different quote says, already planning. Been planning for how we will eat and live and grow after we burned it all down. Well, I think the idea is that there's enough money. If you take away the money from the billionaires and distribute it evenly, no one has to work.

Yeah, that's right.

It's like a twelve year old's idea of what to do with money.

It's exactly what it is.

And it's also like, do you like phones? Okay, who do you think makes those phones? Who do you think designs those phones? Who do you think works really fucking hard to make sure that the new Samsung Galaxy S 24 Ultra is better than the iPhone? Who the fuck do you need? Competition?

Yeah. The person who does that is somebody who's willing to lay it on the line for a huge reward if it works out.

They want a yacht.

They want a yacht.

They want a yacht. That guy wants a yacht. He's like, I can see myself right now in the fucking British Virgin Islands party with my friends on this yacht. That's what he wants. So that's why he's willing to work so hard. If you fucking get free money, you're not going to work that hard. And you're not going to get the Samsung S 24 Ultra. You're not going to get that.

And then the thing is not going to exist. Nobody has the drive to make it.

No one's going to make it. You're going to be forced to have. Imagine that person who said that. Imagine if that person had to design electric cars, had to put together a manufacturing plant, had to figure out, imagine. Imagine some fucking person who says, I don't want to work. I want to burn it all down. I don't want to work.

So my ideology can rise and you take them seriously.

And this is a person that's in charge of. This is a thought person, a person who's in charge of ideas, and a person who's in charge of implementing some sort of a better system for society. For real?

Yeah. No, ideology is a word people don't understand. I had to read in it's a cult. That's the word I was going for. Thank you. It is. It's a cult. It's a cult. Okay, so what it is, ideology is a fancy word for a mythology that the society buys into that has a direction and it has activity. It's a cult. What we're looking at is the dynamics of a cult. Everything will work out. If everybody believes it, we know how it'll work. Nobody else knows how it'll work. Put us in charge. Obviously when it doesn't work, somebody else is at fault. Do you know that? You can talk to people who still believe the Soviet Union could have worked out. And they say the reason the communist countries failed, because obviously there are catastrophes, hundreds, millions dead. Nothing works. They collapse. They say that it was because there are capitalist countries pressuring them from the outside that prevent them from working. So you can say I've had this conversation. So it can only work if every country is communist. And they're like, that's right. That's a global cult, is what that is. That's not real.

That's fantasy land. And I think because equity means socialism, as I just told you, I think that that redistribute shares to make participants equal. I think that that actually kind of shows that this is cult mentality that we're dealing with.

It is cult mentality, but it's ingenious. This is what's ingenious. The genius aspect of it is that they've managed to cast such a wide net over what it means to be progressive that they've included all these radical marxist ideas that everybody dismissed forever. And they threw them all in with this gender stuff and LBGTQ stuff. And then they threw that all in with race, and then they threw that all in with immigration and then somehow attached it to funding international conflicts.

That's right.

At the expense of the people, the poorest people, who could benefit the most from that money.

That's right. And using other people's pension money to fund a lot of it or to get it off the ground.

And if you oppose it, you're fascist. It's kind of brilliant.

It's sort of brilliant.

It's kind of brilliant.

Yeah.

It's either intentional or we're just so vulnerable to ideologies, which seems to also be the case. It's why there's so many different sects of religions, even sects of Christianity. The fucking Protestants hated the Catholics forever. What happened in Iraq with the Sunnis and the Shias. This is always the case.

It's always the case.

People have really rigid ideologies, and the punishment for abandoning them or the punishment for stepping outside is death. Death. You're fucking dead, you bitch. You're not one of us.

You're not one.

And that is what we're seeing in this country. We're seeing this weird leftist progressive ideology with a super wide net that covers so many things, including all these industries that are set up to make it look like they want a better world, where really they just want to dominate a sector of the market, whether it's green energy or agriculture or food or plant based meat or any of this fucking psycho shit that they're trying to push all the time. They're doing it for profit and they're doing it this super wide net of being a good person, being a progressive.

That's why I call it neoliberal communism. And I say that Deng Xiaoping character we were talking about earlier. He's the guy that nobody knows about except, I mean, the Chinese do, obviously. But we really need to pay attention to what he cooked up and how. What they have, whether it's World Economic Forum or un or the who or their God awful treaty to the health sovereignty thing. Have you seen, you know what I'm talking about, right?

What is that?

Let me finish the thought back to it. They're copying that same model. It's neoliberalism, which is how do you get huge corporations to be able to basically get tons of money and have monopoly power and make it off of the government? That's why the Rockefeller guy would have been interested in all this. And how do you do it with a communist ideology? At the same time, China is the model. We're seeing it build out in the west. This stuff like we now are seeing. It just came out the other day that the Chinese are, like, funding the trans stuff. They're like pushing it, right? I just wrote a book. I didn't even know that to put it in the book. I wrote a book about the trans stuff. It just came out on the 29th called the querying of the american child to talk about how schools have been turned into indoctrination centers. It all goes back to the not just marxist but Maoist strategy to make the world conform, that politics of compliance, to make the world conform to this new ideological vision that they have. And it's got to be like we were saying, it's got to be religious to the people who believe it.

It is religious.

It's new values. They even say that Klaus Schwab said that. How did he say it? You can't rationalize values through the intellectual process alone. It requires faith.

We've all seen children that grow up in religious cults. We've all seen the horror stories of children that come from these radical religious cults. And they escape when they get older and they tell the story of the indoctrination and what all they believed. When I see a woman and she's got three trans kids, that is what I think of. I think of someone who is a full adherent and ideologically captured by this cult to the point where they see value in having their child be a part of the LBGTQ movement because it looks good for them socially. It's like they have a flag on their fucking porch and they wave their kids around and it's weird. And it's not everybody. No, it's not everybody, but it's not everybody that has trans kids or someone kid who thinks he's trans, it's probably gay. And probably if you leave them alone and don't encourage them to.

Or a young woman with trauma or autism. Autism. Going through her period. Period. Like, what's going on in my body? I don't like it.

If you have girls, that's a traumatic experience for them. It's very difficult. It's confusing. It's weird.

That's why we wrote this book, man. The whole book is like, queer theory is the doctrine of a religious cult. It's based on sex. It primarily targets kids, and it's got barely anything to do with gay people. Almost nothing.

Also, this idea that the only way to fix what's bothering you is surgery.

Surgery crazy or hormone. Oh, my God. It's insane.

Well, in or in UK, rather, they've banned these hormone blockers now for children.

Yeah. The NHS just backed off of that completely. It's like, okay, your move, United States. Because this is serious.

It is serious. And what scares me is that they have a socialized medicine system, and they can back off of things, I think, a little bit easier than we can in America. When they've opened up how many gender affirming care clinics, there's a path, and.

I mean, I don't know how many legislators pay attention to the show, but they should take it seriously. Missouri has kind of tread the way a lot of these states. There's 26 states that have tried to ban transgender care so far. And they're getting sued. Of course they're getting sued. Right? Of course they're getting sued. Some plaintiff comes in, the ACLU shows up with an army of lawyers, and they're like, no, it's civil rights. It's medically necessary, blah, blah, blah. And then it's a battle in the court, and it depends on who the judge is. There's another way. Missouri actually more or less stopped this stuff with one simple change to the law. They changed the statute of limitations for medical harm. So my thought is, if you're under 20 and you undergo some of this medical treatment, you have a 20 year statute of limitations. Anybody who gets the surgery done, surgeries, hormones, whatever, under 20 years old, they have till their 40th birthday, if they decide they regret it, to file a malpractice suit. Not to win the malpractice suit, but to file one. The statute of limitations in Missouri previous, that was either two or three years, and they extended it, and I don't know exactly how long, and it basically shut it down.

We could shut a lot of this down by. Because America, like you said, works differently. We don't have socialized medicine. We could shut this down through litigation. And that litigation, all you have to do is open, what do they call rights to action? So let's say I'm in my 40s, so it's not like that. But if I'm a 19 year old or 17 year old or 15 year old like Chloe Cole was, and I go and I get surgery, say I get my breasts removed or my genitals cut up or whatever, and then come my 27th, 20 eigth birthday, I'm like, woof. I got talked into that. I shouldn't have done it. I feel like I was misled by my doctors. I want to file a lawsuit right now. Usually you cannot. I mean, some of these detransition teenagers are suing. Chloe was and some of the, you know. Chloe, right. Chloe Cole.

I've seen the story. Okay.

Yeah. So some of these detransitioners, it's horrible.

How they get treated like.

Oh, yeah.

Like people attack them.

They get attacked like traitors. Because they left a cult.

Exactly.

And listen to how they talk. They talk like I was in a cult. Like, I was completely convinced I had other problems. This would solve all my problems. I was affirmed at every step, this love bombing. So there's this queer educator, which is a fucking weird thing to even say, right? His name is Kevin Kumashiro, and Kevin Kumashiro wrote his paper back in 2002 titled against repetition. And in this paper, he actually says that the point of social justice, and specifically queer education, is to lead children into personal crisis and then structure their environment. So they resolve the cris toward social justice. That's trauma bonding. That's cult recruitment. That should be a prison sentence. And they know they're doing it. They're leading them into personal cris. It's, like, hard to even say the sentencing, and you get mad because these are children.

But it's so crazy that we've always protected children from influence. We've always protected children from bad decisions. That's why you can't get a tattoo.

No, you have to go after the kids. They have to because they're soft targets. You're 100% right. But they're after childhood innocence. They say that too. There are papers against childhood innocence saying that it's a social construct meant to protect some kids and not others, and meant to preserve normalcy and white heteronormativity and all of this other crap.

That's why the term minor attracted persons freaks me the fuck out.

Yeah.

When you're trying to normalize pedophilia, you're trying to normalize people who want to fuck kids. That's crazy. And by the way, it's almost always men. You are empowering the creepiest of creeps, the creepy creeps, the monsters of the male species, the ones, if you want to talk about men, like men being toxic, the most toxic. You're empowering the 0.1% ones, the ones infected by demons that want them to go fuck kids. You're empowering them by telling them that it's an identity.

Yeah. And I'll tell you, queer theory, actually, it doesn't not have limiting principles. It's opposed to limiting principles on principle. Let me give you another definition. This is a book called St. Foucault, naming the Michelle Foucault, the postmodern guy we made fun of back in the grievance studies papers. And so Michelle Foucault is lionized in this book. And this is the book where queer in queer theory gets defined. David Halpern wrote it. 95 is the date, and it's right there in the paragraph that he writes, defining queer. It starts with these three words. Unlike gay identity, has virtually nothing to do with gay people. Why? He says, because that's rooted in a positive truth. You're gay. Right? That's a truth. You're gay. He says queer need not be grounded. He says, in any positive truth or any stable reality, it is whatever is opposed to the normal, the legitimate, and the dominant.

What?

So normal and legitimate. I mean, they're always after the dominant. So we can just.

But isn't that. Cause, like, if you're in West Hollywood, the dominant is gay.

Well, they don't want, like, they don't. They don't like that either. It's not about gay.

So you'd have to be opposed to the gay. You'd be straight.

They literally. I hate using huge words on shows. It's homo normativity is what they call that. If you consider being gay normal as a normal part of society, that's homo normativity. It's as bad as heteronormativity. It's no better, because, again, it's real simple. We said it earlier. Stability repels revolutions. They need radical people. They need queer activists who want to destabilize the normal and undermine the legitimate at every turn. I don't have to have a tinfoil hat for this. We can just crumple that up and throw it in the trash. This is black and white in their literature. This is what they. They're like, hey, look what we're going to do. Let's protect the boy lovers. Gail Rubin, 1984. You want the citation? These people are dead serious and they are opposed to the idea. So this started by me saying they're opposed to limiting principles on principle. What does that mean? It means at some point somebody's going to say, you know what? You want to hump kids? No, that's a limiting principle. We draw the line at kids. That's a limiting principle. They're opposed, actually, to anything that tells them no. Anything in the world, including the world itself, telling them, yeah, you know, you technically can't be a man who becomes a woman, but let's just chop you up until you're close enough.

The world's telling you no, but we're going to keep doing surgeries and hormones until it's kind of like, yes. Jesus Christ, dude. I know you're probably not the biggest fan of Charlie Kirk, but I was on stage with Charlie Kirk talking about this. He wanted to talk about critical race theory with me, and I'm like, damn it, charlie, I'm getting frustrated sitting there.

Why would you say I'm not the biggest fan of Charlie Kirk? I don't know.

I figure that maybe you are.

I think he's very smart.

He's freaking smart. Nobody gives him credit for.

No, they. Because they associate him with the white nationalist.

No, he's a different guy. He is quick.

He's not who they label him to be. He's very smart.

He's very, very smart. And so Charlie and I were sitting on stage, and I'm getting pissed at him, right? Because it's like, I don't want to talk about critical race theory again. And so I'm like, okay, Charlie, we need to talk about queer theory. He's like, what's queer theory? And I kind of explained the normal thing and he's, you know, he didn't swear because he's a good christian boy. But I'm like, charlie, let's put it real simple. Queer theory opens the gates to hell. And I think that that's, like, the best way to put it. This stuff they're pushing on the kids opens the gates to hell. Of course, this is why I'm in trouble, because I started saying, okay, groomer. You know, I got kicked off Twitter for OK, groomer for like five months till Elon brought me back. Thanks, Elon. But why was I calling them groomers? I get challenged on this, people drag me in these interviews. Well, you were part of that groomer thing. Well, there's a paper that they wrote. Everything I do is I read their stuff. Then I said something. And people are like, that can't be real.

Turns out it is. And so this paper is the drag queen story hour paper. It's called drag pedagogy. It's free access. You can go look it up. The title is drag Pedagogy. Read it for yourself. Is written by a drag queen named Lil Miss Hotmas and a trans educator named Harper Keenan. It came out in curriculum inquiry, which is a serious academic journal in curriculum for schools. And at the end, they say that they're talking about the family friendly aspect, right? The branding, that it's family friendly. And what they say is that it's not so much that family friendly is to sanitize drag. That's not what it is. It's actually. And this is their exact word. So I asked people, when they challenged me this. What word do I use for this? They say it is a preparatory introduction to alternate modes of kinship. That's a direct quote.

Then they say, a preparative introduction to alternate modes of kinship.

Yeah, I don't know if you want to get that pulled up and on screen and show it, but it's for real. The paper is called drag pedagogy. It's easy to find. It's the first paragraph in the conclusion, if you need to scroll. Then it goes on to say that the family in family friendly actually refers to a queer code for the queer family you meet on the street. Their words. I'm not exaggerating.

The queer community.

You abandon your real family for a queer family. The last sentence in the paper says that they're going to leave a trail of glitter that will never come out of the carpet. You know, I'm funny and I could make stuff up. I didn't make this up. So these guys are like, you can't say, okay, groomer. And I'm like, what word do I use for that? And I've yet to have somebody tell me what word is better. Of course, that's the word for that. Alternate mode of kinship. And they say it's all about queer world making. Same paragraph. Queer world making has always been a project based in desire.

So for them, though, let's try to steel man this. Imagine if you're a gay person and you were picked on in school. You always felt out of place. There was no one that was there that you could turn to that could say, hey, it's okay. You're just gay. And these kids are cruel. But the reality is there's a beautiful gay community that will accept you. And to tell other kids, hey, this is just how this kid is born, and this is picking on him for that is no different than picking on someone for their skin color or where they're from. It's all gross. Don't do it. Yeah, you could look at it that way. They wish that there was a path for someone like them.

Yeah. I have three actual responses to that. So first, we're not talking about sitting down and having the hey, buddy, talk with your kid who just did a jerk thing. We're talking about drag queens in a classroom, which is a little bit more. Which they call, in fact, a generative introduction to queer world making in the paper, which is pretty insane. But secondly, in the paper, the immediate section before the conclusion, the last section before the conclusion. So right before what I just told you, there's a section titled from empathy to embodied kinship. That's their title for it. That's the title of the thing. And they explain that this empathy route is a marketing strategy. They use that for marketing to justify its inclusion. But its real purpose is to lead children to discover queer aspects of themselves. So that's not what they're doing it for. That's not the purpose. So there must be another purpose. And what's the other purpose? I think it's a cult initiation ritual. I think the point of the drag queen is to get the kids exactly what they say in the paper, start asking questions, why is that man dressed as a woman?

Do we always have to follow rules? Can we do whatever we want? Isn't this more fun? And they start asking the questions and having the conversation, and then the kids who show interest end up going off into the club after school where they get affirmed. And I think that's where the cult initiation is going on. And I'm dead serious. I think the drag queen story hour was a cult initiation ritual for queer activism for our kids. But then let's do the medical approach. And I'm not talking about, I got a PhD in math. That was my background. And so one of the things that I was shocked when I was learning math back in the 20 years ago was, here's a question for you. Just ask. Do you know why we don't do universal cancer screenings? Why everybody doesn't go to the doctor every year? Because of course they'd be able to make bookoo bucks off this, right? So wouldn't it be good if we did universal cancer screenings. Everybody goes, they get the check, whatever it is, universal mammograms, whatever it happens to be. There are a few reasons we don't do that. It's the same reason sort of, that we don't just give everybody, say, Ritalin because some kids have ADHD.

But what it is is that if we tested everybody for cancer, that test has a false positive and a true positive and a false negative and a true negative rate. Those are called the specificity and sensitivity of the test. And if we screen everybody, what happens is you actually end up with way more false positives because there are way more healthy people than sick people and the some percentage of them turns out to be a far larger number. So that if you do that, what you end up doing is telling thousands of people per year that they have cancer when they don't, freaking them out, causing them to rearrange their lives, plus it's expensive, and then some of them will have a false positive twice. And depending on the specificity and sensitivity of the test, it can be almost three times before you hit 50 50 as to whether you got a positive test. So imagine you go and you get tested for cancer, screened for cancer, and it says you have cancer, and then you get tested for cancer again and it says you have cancer and you go a third time, but you only have a 50 50 shot of actually having cancer because of the way the populations break down.

You're going to be shitting your pants, you're going to rearrange your life, you're going to make some bad decisions. So what don't you do in the schools? You don't assume that a large population of the children are gay kids who are getting bullied and treat the entire population of school kids like they're gay kids who are being bullied. You figure out when somebody's being bullied and you deal with the person individually, and you figure out when somebody's doing the bullying and you deal with the people individually. And we've known this since time immemorial until, in my opinion, we've reinvented our policies in the schools to do this broad cult initiation. We treat everybody like they're sick, which is exactly the opposite. So there's the paper itself lying about it, there's the logical understanding of it, but then you don't broadcast or universally screen to deal with low propensity sicknesses. It's just a terrible idea.

Well, that's very logical.

It turns out it was from PhD math program. So logic is. The logic is strong there.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah, because that was when I was getting prepped to teach statistics. And it's like, these are the things you want to teach people in a statistics class so they don't go make dumb ass decisions because they don't understand how numbers work.

There's also this issue with the influence that people have on kids just in general. We're so flippant about who teaches kids, and it should be a really difficult job to get and it should pay really well. If you wanted to go full tin foil hat again, you would think by design you would want the least motivated, weirdest fucking shitheads to be teaching your kids because you would ensure that their education would suck. And especially if those kids. If those people, if you push the type of people to teach that were a part of this ideology that you're trying to push, then what's the best? Well, these people, they're not doing well anyway, for the most part. They're not super financially successful. If they're looking to push these agendas in general, they're not like really excellent capitalists. So you could probably pay them less. And you can get these people, they want that job because they think they're a part of a movement.

That's right. This has been something that's been going on for a very long time. There's a couple of explanations. One thing to say is, even without the tinfoil hat, right, queer theory in its own. Imagine that you have the hiring body. The administration at the school gets infected with. Queer theory. Oh, well, that guy might like kids, but I don't want to assume, right? I don't want to judge him. It lowers the potential to say, wait a minute. Bringing in this weirdo who's throwing off red flags everywhere might be a bad idea. Or in this case, I guess, rainbow flags with the triangle cut out of it, that might be a bad idea, right? Queer theory overrides your common sense, so it lowers the screening potential. It just makes the whole, like, it's like the fence is like wider open, so good people will make more mistakes when queer theory has come in. But then there's the fact that this actually was. A lot of people don't understand. We don't need a tinfoil hat to understand that the universities are fucked up. Nobody does. Look at them. Holy shit. Harvard. Let's name some more universities.

They're all messed up. And the fact is, I know I keep throwing out sources, but there's this book I read. It's called the critical turn in education. It was published by a Marxist at Iowa State University named Isaac Goddessman in 2016 15. One or the other. And right from the beginning, one of the things he's explaining is that people with their ideology of education, which is called critical pedagogy, actually had captured our schools of education virtually entirely by 1992. That's the date the Marxists themselves say, this is when we got the schools of education. So I tried to explain this in this documentary that I've got coming out in May called beneath sheep's clothing. And it's very simple. If you get the colleges of education, then you're going to get the teachers. And if you get the teachers, then you get the kids. And if you get the kids in a generational strategy, you get the future. And they own the schools like they own the manufacturing plant where we build teachers and administrators. They're called colleges of education. They have a virtual monopoly on producing them. And they have said in their own words that their ideology has run the schools since 1992.

That's if we're keeping track on our fingers 32 years ago.

Well, this is what Yuri Bezmanov talked about.

Exactly.

Yeah.

That's why it's like I say what I just said, and then Yuri and the trailer to that film, which is at the top of my Twitter, if anybody wants to see it, let's see it. We go back and forth. Yeah, it's like right at the top after. Let's see the trailer. Cool.

When does this come out?

End of May.

Most people are blissfully unaware that all this is going on.

That's why I'm writing books and making movies where I could be going out and enjoying my life. I do like traveling around. I like getting to meet people. I don't know if you know who Tiffany justice is with. Monster liberty.

No.

Yeah, but she says all the time. Who knew we were going to make so many cool friends in our 40s, right?

Is this the trailer right here?

Yeah, with the blonde lady. That's Julie Beeling. She wrote the book. It's based on even in the future, nothing works.

We'll see. Here. It's spinning.

Oh, did I post it twice? I'm an idiot. Here's the thing about communism.

When it comes knocking at your door.

It doesn't say, hi, I'm here to.

Impoverish, enslave and murder you. It says, I'm here to liberate you from oppression.

I thought of myself as a happy kid. I had no idea that I was being brainwashed. That's right. All of them is infiltrated. This was a rape of the body of Christ. You take over the colleges of education, then you take over all the teachers, then you take over all the students and thus you get the future. He said the ultimate objective of having government school was to destroy Christianity. Those were his words. People's war means to destroy the opposing country through unconventional methods. And Khrushchev bragged about it. We'll take America without firing a shot. In other words, Marxism Leninism ideology is being pumped into the soft heads of.

The american students without being challenged.

The result, the result, you can see.

That looks good. What is that going to be on?

It's going to be got a deal with Rumble. So it's primarily going to be on rumble and we'll spread it from there.

I was going to ask, it must be exclusively on Rumble.

I don't know that it's totally exclusive because we're talking about.

Can YouTube host something like that?

Well, if I get demonetized, let me just tell YouTube what I think about that. I hope we do. I hope we can put it on YouTube and I hope we get demonetized and we'll put up a YouTube edit where we literally just put up the YouTube emblem over the scenes they don't want shown and do the Charlie Brown won't want, won't want, won't want voice to the part people they don't want to hear. We'll put up a YouTube edit with a link to send to people to the real thing. Like to hell with them. Like we can get around this censorship and turn it to our advantage these days.

It's very bizarre that they would choose to demonetize something that someone's legit, an opinion about, a very worrisome trend. This is something that people should discuss. And to be able to discuss these things, especially in this wonderful world of open communication that we find ourselves in, you should be able to have both perspectives. You should have the perspective of the queer theorists.

That's right.

And you should have the perspective of the people who say, this is where all this comes from.

That's right.

And if you don't do that, then you limit information. And some of that information, especially the stuff that you're talking about, that seems to be absolutely true. And that's you're letting that stuff go through because it opposes your ideology and that by definition makes you a cult.

And I don't know if you know who Robert Lifton is. Robert Lifton, he's kind of weird now. He's still alive. But he was like, you would talk about gangsters doing infiltration. This dude was in Hong Kong in the 1950s, and he started interviewing guys that were going through Mao Zedong's brainwashing prisons. And then when they would get thrown out of China, after they'd get out of the prison, after three, four years of getting brainwashed, started interviewing them. Like, what did Mao do? How did he, like, literally, the title of his book that he wrote off of this is called thought reform and the psychology of totalism, a study of brainwashing in China, which is Xi now and Mandarin. I know a little mandarin. And so the idea is that they were doing what Mao called ideological transformation or ideological remolding in these prisons. And he wanted to know how it worked. What's the psychological dynamic? And he said, there are eight primary characteristics, and God only knows if I could rattle off eight things from memory. But the first one is milieu control. In other words, you have to completely control the environment of the people that are within it.

And so you can't let them have outside information. You can't let them get near people who are raising uncomfortable questions. You have to say that those people are a danger to what Mao called democratic centralism. Or we would say Joe Rogan's a danger to our democracy. I think they said when you took Ivermectin or something like that. Right? And so you have to control the environment people are in. And then there's other things, like mystical manipulation into a sacred science and all this other. There's eight of them he has, which is finally at the end, which it's got doctrine over person. But he calls it, like the expiration. That's not the right word, but it's the dispensing of the person. So the people who go along with it, who are in the cult are treated as people, and the people who don't go along with it have to be treated as non people. And that space, Mao Zedong gave a famous speech in 1957 where he actually said, to not have a correct political orientation is like not having a soul. So you're no better than capitalist running dogs. You're no better than the dogs.

Well, I mean, we like dogs, but you know what I mean, how he would have meant it. So it's like, you're no better than an animal if you don't go along with this. And that's what you're saying. That's a cult. And all this bears the hallmarks of a cult.

And it feels like that is a natural pattern that humans fall into. And I think particularly if you're not religious. I think one of the things about religious people is they've already got their thing, and hopefully it's one that promotes good values and it's a good thing, but there's a part in the brain that wants that thing. And atheists, they don't have a religion, and so they find a social religion.

Social religion. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. So they find it in their social circumstances, politics, economics, and it always goes demonic when they do that. I've been spending a lot of time, thanks to Charlie, primarily Charlie Kirk. I've been spending a lot of time paying attention to the tenets of Christianity and studying it, and it's got a lot of good advice in there. But you are 100% right that if you try to lack a religion, and the primary thing with the religion, if you lack a religion, then it'll get filled in with other things. For very many people, I think there's a small percentage of people for. Maybe that doesn't apply, but there's a.

Spot in your brain for it.

But why do they go after Christians and Jews so hard everywhere they go? And the reason is because they are completely committed to when you say they already have their thing for Christians and Jews, that's not how they think about God. It's not their thing. That's something that's above everything else. Well, the Muslims, well, Muslims, too, but Muslims. Islam is a little bit different because it's got a political element worked into it. And I'm not trying to throw shade, I'm just saying that the state is never above God in Christianity and Judaism, ever. The state and God are somewhat intertwined or can be in Islam, so they're not quite identical. But it's true. The God is above state, no question. So when the state shows up and says to you, hey, you're going to do XYZ or else, and it goes against your religion, if you're a Christian, a Jew, and if it's not Islam, a Muslim, you're going to say, no, I have a higher duty and it's not to the state. And if you kill me, I'm going to a better place. So I don't care. And that's the enemy of totalitarianism in a way that nothing else is.

The confucian virtues of China don't have that. Buddhism actually kind of doesn't have that.

Well, you can't tell the CIA this because then they're going to co opt the churches.

Well, that's what the documentary is actually about, is how the co opting of the churches took place in the. Then how. Okay, so you put it on the table. I think that's what this whole stupid christian nationalism thing, I think that's part of the purpose of the christian nationalist dialog. I'm not exactly a christian nationalist. I'm probably one of his most vocal opponents.

You think it's like agent provocateurs.

That's right. I think that they want to recreate something that looks like Charloteville, the very fine people on both sides incident. Or like January 6, they get somebody to do something stupid or violent, or maybe they just run a narrative.

Well, there's always been people that when they see these well uniformed people walking around with Nazi flags, their face covered, they're like they're feds. People always think that. They always think that. Which is a terrible thing to think that your own federal government is involved in doing something to stir racial hatred, or at least give the image that racial hatred is being stirred and then connect that racial hatred with people that just don't believe what you believe and believe in God.

Right. And that's why this christian nationalist thing, it's a leap that's not very far in most minds from christian nationalist to white Christian nationalist.

Right.

And it's so easy for them to say then that independent conservative churches, and I would say those in particular, are a hothouse for domestic extremism. And then they start cracking down on that. Maybe it's the FBI agents are going to church every week, and they're writing down every single thing you say or every single thing you do. Maybe it's, know, they start messing with the IRS status. Maybe it's that they create other pressures with zoning or whatever else to make it so that independent churches are very difficult to do, because what they had in the Soviet Union, I learned it. I actually didn't know it until the Timothy guy, the russian guy in the film, was telling us they had what's called a registered church in the Soviet Union. So the Soviets didn't get rid of the churches. The Soviets created a fake church that was know, Lenin, Stalin, Jesus. They have a church in China. It's called the Three Selfs church right now, where it's like, if you see pictures of. It's super weird. It's like there's a cross and then there's like, mao. It's like President Xi, and it's like, what am I looking?

It's so weird.

What is it called? The three what?

Three selfs church or three self church? I'd have to remember, if there's an.

Oh, I need to see this.

And so they have a fake church, and they funnel people into it, and then they persecute everybody that's got religion outside of the fake church. And that was really the impetus for making the film. And we said, well, we've got to talk about the schools, too.

Well, what's fueling the Uyghur muslim thing.

Where they're, well, communists don't like competing religion, so they also do like slave labor, and they like making examples of people to keep things under control. So if we just take it at face value that the C and the CCP stands for communist, this is perfectly in line with the way communists behave. That's what they would do with the christian dissidents in Soviet Union. They send them into gulags where their job would be like to carve a canal out of bedrock, working themselves to death in freezing conditions, and then only for not only the canal, to not actually be deep enough or wide enough to do what it had to do. So it's demoralizing. It failed, but then it drains whichever. I forget which lake it was. Errol sea or whatever gets drained, because they're idiots and they don't know how things work. They think that they can be the masters of nature, but that's what they would do. They would round up these dissidents and send them off to Gulag. Gulag wasn't a concentration camp like the Nazis had. It was a reeducation camp where they were trying to re educate you through doctrine combined with hard labor.

And if you died, you died.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah.

And that's where communism leads to, kids.

And that's where communism leads to. And that's why other places want to. You know who I feel bad for? And they get real mad. I did this at Northwestern. I told them this to their faces. I did a talk at Northwestern University last year, and they let a bunch of woke protesters in, and they carried on and yelled at me and were, like, mocking me, doing the loser sign on their faces while I was talking.

That's really effective.

It's hard to keep your train of thought while that's going on. And they started cheering when I started talking about Mao. So they know what it is. And I was like, cheer for your dictator? And they started clapping, and it was, like, really creepy. I did this at Northwestern and I told them something and they laughed at me. Okay, so Mao created in the mid 1960s a thing called the Red Guard. People all know about this. It was young people it was mostly college and. And high school students, but it went down to little kids. Xi Van Fleet was in China during the Red Guard, for example. And she's got that book, Mao's America out, talking about what that was like, surviving that. And the Red Guard went around, destroyed property, harassed, turned in people. They ended up rounding up the sitting president of the CCP, Liu Xiao Qi. Pulled him out, humiliated him, kicked him out to the countryside to die, right? He came out, he said, he's the chairman of CCP. Comes out, he says, am I not a citizen? Can I not speak? And these teenagers by the thousands were out there protesting him and said, no, you're not a citizen.

You're not a person. You cannot speak. And they ended up carding him off to die in the countryside. Mao takes his power back. So that's the end of 1967. Took about a year and a half. So as soon as Mao gets back on the throne, we turn around. In 1968, what does he do with that Red Guard that was so loyal that got him in? Did he give him trophies? Does he give him a spot in the party? No. He said, the Red Guard has become too radical and too left. So he rounded them up and sent them off to the gulag to die. And some of them were so brainwashed, they said, shit like going to work with the peasants in the fields will make my brain even more red as they got on the trains. So I told these kids at Northwestern, I said, listen, you woke kids, cheer all you want for Mao, this is your future. Stability is what repels revolutions. So if they need destabilizing forces, now, that's you. But once they destabilize things enough to take a, as Mao phrased it, that's a new phase of the revolution. That's called building socialism.

They don't need destabilizers anymore. They got to get rid of you. And I'm like, if you win, you get your revolution, you lose. And I feel bad. Honestly, I talk big, but I feel bad for these kids that got caught up in this, because if I'm right, that's their future. It's probably a digital gulag, not a physical gulag. Maybe they're going to have to go farm corn or something, but probably they're going to have to sit in their apartment. It's like 200 sqft with their oculus on, pretending that they're going nice places. As long as they fill out enough surveys to give data so that whatever the data machine is can collect the data that justifies by participating, zero in real life, they build up carbon credits that the rich people can buy because this whole fake carbon economy or sustainable economy that they're trying to build around it, I think that's really, I legit think that's these kids future. They go woke, they break themselves, they go in service of revolution, and then the revolution turns around and eats them, too. Snake eating its own tail.

Jesus Christ.

And I'm like, I wish I could wake them up, but, man, they're in a cult. I seriously think they're disposable enough.

People are going to hear what you're saying, that it's going to cause a stir and then more people are going to share it and be aware of it, and that'll help some. But the problem is there's not many people like you out there that are saying this in an articulate and very well informed way where it resonates with people and they realize, like, oh, this is what's going on. I think I'm just trying to be a good person. I think I'm trying to be open minded. I think I'm trying to be kind and compassionate. And really, I'm in a cult.

I mean, I've had it happen. I've had it happen. I had this one young lady at one point reach out to me and say something I said made her so mad that she went and she blocked me on social media. And then she went and spent months trying to prove that I was wrong and then ended up concluding that I was right, and it de radicalized her.

Well, the problem is people are so married to their ideas that it's almost impossible for them to look at something that is opposed to it without being angry at it or trying to pick holes at it, instead of just like, objectively trying to analyze, like, is this possible, that this is true? And isn't it something that governments and dictators and kings have done throughout history? Haven't they done things in order to initiate more power? Haven't they had false flags? Haven't they created conflict that wasn't real in order for them to gain more power or start wars? Yeah, they have. What makes us think they don't do that anymore? And if you're doing it in this digital battlefield that we're all currently involved in, that's what you would use. You would use social media platforms and you would control them like the FBI was trying to control Twitter. They were infiltrating social media organizations to suppress legitimate opinions and thoughts of actual experts, for sure. And they were doing that at the behest of the government, which is fucking terrifying.

Yeah, and illegal. But they found workarounds and this is a huge risk. But I mean, look for these kids or whatever. Let's look at three populations and say maybe this will wake somebody up. How are they going to treat you? So the three populations are the revolutionaries themselves, the communists. We'll just look historically and then say american classical liberals, right? And then Christians. So what's going to happen? So you go woke, right? And you're in this. And then the revolution succeeds. What have communists always historically done? They always eat their own. Yuri Bezemov says that too, right? He says, don't deal with those political prostitutes. They know too much. We'll line them up against the wall and shoot them. That's what he says. So your chances are bad at best under the revolution. What are american, good old Americans going to do if you come out of being woke? Actually, we don't have to talk about the revolution. What are other woke people going to do to you if you stop being woke? They're going to treat you like a traitor. They're going to hate you. They're going to destroy your social life, maybe your professional life.

What are normal Americans going to do? Like cool you do you, right? Live your life. Glad that you got that sorted out. And what are Christians going to do? I forgive you. That's literally their religion. I forgive you if you repent, come join our church if you want to. If you don't, I understand. You're welcome. No big deal. If they're Christians. Who are Christians? I mean, I know that there's these christian fascist dudes who are thinking they can pound their chest and be big tough guys, but even the other Christians are like, that's not biblically sound like Jesus didn't do that, right. So it's like the woke are going to treat you like crap if you leave, so you're locked in. If you come over and be an American again, just a normal american dude, we're going to be like, cool, welcome back. And the Christians are, if you go and repent of your errors or whatever and you decide to convert, are going to be like, they're going to celebrate you. They're going to be like, praise God. It's night and day different. So revolutionaries destroy their own and everybody else. Like you're saying, just normal people who value what productive thing can you do?

Love you. Great. Welcome. Are completely the other story.

Well, that's an ideology to live your life by. The problem is if that ideology gets manipulated by the people in power as well. It's all dangerous. It's all dangerous because it's just what human beings do when they get into power. And if there was a radical right wing religious sect that was in control of this country, we'd be just as scared as if there's a radical left wing, progressive woke organization like there is currently.

Joe, that's the history of the 1930s right there in Europe. You had the communists who were screwing everything up, and everybody was scared of the radical left. And what was their answer? Was fascism. I read all this Mussolini a couple of months ago. I was like, well, I better read the other side. And I'm like, this guy is. He's supposed to be the answer, but he's making an idol of the state. Like, the state is God in both situations. And who are you? You're a subject is who you?

You know my friend Duncan Trussell, when the George Floyd riots were happening in California, he was like, dude, we're going to get a radical right wing president. That was his thought. It's like, this is what's scary to me.

That's scary to me, too.

That's as scary, if not more, when Christians, the really crazy ones that you're talking about, that don't represent the actual teachings of Christ, when those people think that there's, like, a holy war that they're a part of and know they have to oppose all the other people, and they're the ones who get to enforce the rules, and they're the ones who get to enforce what people say and Kenneth can't do. And if you say, God damn it, you go to jail for a year, that kind of shit's real.

It is.

And that's what you see in some countries that have radical Islam. That's what you see in some countries that aren't open societies, air quotes.

Well, I mean, legitimately ones not weird fantasy about it. So it's like, that's so important for people to understand because Solcinichen said the line of good and evil cuts through every human heart, but so does the line of tyranny. Then people who are afraid or they're angry or they feel like they've been robbed or cheated or oppressed can be radicalized really easily and become very angry.

Like Germans during World War II, right?

And what a lot of people need to understand is that if we put our tinfoil hat back on and we believe that there are people pulling strings, I promise you they do not care whether a radical left or a radical right breaks the constitution as long as the constitution gets broken.

Well, especially if you can get the radical left to behave in a way that was completely opposed to what the radical left was like 20 years ago. The full trust of the pharmaceutical drug companies, support of the military industrial complex, support of international wars. As long as they're being supported by.

The Democrats huge banks. I'm sure Larry Fink has best of intentions. It's like, what are you talking?

Was Larry Fink. No, Larry Silverstein was the guy who owned the big conspiracy theory about World Trade center tower.

Oh, yeah, something like that. No, Larry Fink owns Blackrock, right?

That's right. Yeah, I get my Larry's confused.

Yeah, well, there's a lot of Larry.

But the idea that we could live in this world where if this stuff takes over, that eventually they don't come for you. It's so silly. They eat their own. It keeps going further and further down what you thought was acceptable, and it changes the norms and it just keeps going.

It's just like with ESG. They can change the rules tomorrow. The real danger of ESG isn't that it's stupid and that it's control. It's that it's arbitrary. Somebody in some room. Maybe it's Larry Fink. Maybe he's got a little committee, I don't know, gets to decide that. Today Elon Musk is okay with ESG, and then tomorrow he bought Twitter and is for free speech, and now he's not okay with ESG or that halliburton is bad, and now it's good. Like, overnight, somebody gets to decide. So maybe the who treaty. We stopped talking about the who talk about that. They're in May. At the end of May, the who is meeting. It's some kind of an assembly, and they are deciding upon whether or not the who will have total. They just screwed up one pandemic, and then they say that they need to have total control of pandemic preparedness and public health. But the thing is, it's not even just about diseases, right? Because we know about, like, they screwed up COVID. It was total global tyranny. Imagine if they had the power where there is no Florida, there's no free state, there's no difference between Texas and California.

It's all whatever the World Health Organization says. There's no difference between Florida and Canada, or there's no, you know, did something different. Everything has to be on the same page. But then they go further and they declare other things, matters of public health, like gun violence is a public health threat. Racial injustice, inadequate food systems. It's literally a recipe for them to be able to declare total tyranny, but particularly over matters, anything that they can skew as a public health. And so one of the things that they consider to be another kind of pandemic that's a public health risk, is misinformation and disinformation. So it explicitly calls for censorship of what would be misinformation and disinformation. So now all of these 100 and whatever, 93 or whatever it is, countries are supposed to sign over to the World Health Organization the ability through a treaty that's not being ratified in the Senate like a treaty, probably Joe Biden will do it as an executive agreement rather than as passing two thirds majority in the Senate. So we have this treaty now that hands over the control of the states and of the United States as a federal entity to the World Health Organization, which is led by.

I mean, Ted Rose is openly a Marxist, so, like, what the hell's going on with that? Where they have this total blanket control over anything they can declare public health, including misinformation and disinformation. One of the things they say, I don't know if it's in the proposal or if it's in the documentation around it, is that we have a pandemic of too much information. We have to limit how much information that people actually are getting. And that's like living in China.

This is proposed. Has any country signed off on this?

I think Canada is like already gung ho on it, but I don't know exactly how it works. But I think the meeting is at the end of May, and there is no full signing off until the meeting at the end of May. So we got like eleven weeks to, for example, if we could just make it through whatever Congress or whatever apparatus is where it has to be ratified in the United States as a treaty, according to the Constitution. It's dead in the water for the US because the United States. Two thirds of the senators are not going to go for this unless we're in a lot bigger trouble than I think we are. 50 50.

Would the fuck is going to go for that? Joe Biden or whoever tells Joe Biden what to get?

Yeah, whoever gives Joe Biden his shots.

What do you think? Cocktail they got him on when he goes and gives those speeches?

I don't know, but it's got to be something good.

I want to know. I really want to know. I want to know what he's doing.

Dude, I'm barely catching up to you. On baby Ivs of Nad. Plus, I'm not ready for these cocktails.

Well, I mean, whatever they give him must be extraordinary, because you could tell he's ramped up.

Oh, yeah, totally ramped up. Yeah, he's ramped up and otherwise doesn't know where he is. It's so Trump. Whatever else, he's funny. One of the favorite thing. No, maybe not, but top five favorite things he ever said was he was in an interview, and they said, well, what do you think Joe Biden thinks? And he said, joe Biden doesn't know he's alive on TV. It was the funniest.

Oh, no, Trump's hilarious. He does speeches, and he does stand up in them where he did, like, his impression of Joe Biden not knowing where to go. Have you seen that?

No.

You got to see this bit, because I swear to God, it's like a fucking comic. He's doing this impression of Joe Biden. He always does this thing. He always does this. Like, you watch him, you're like, the guy's a comic.

He's hilarious.

Well, he's been on TV forever. He knows how to shoot back. He knows how to talk shit. He knows zingers. He knows how to work a crowd. So you think about it. If he is a smart man, regardless of what you think about him, you got to realize the guy's been very successful, right?

Yeah.

Don't lie. So this guy has also hosted the Apprentice forever. He's been on television forever, and then he goes on tour. So he starts doing stand up, essentially, for four years. He's been doing stand up without the job as the president, or at least three years. And then before that, there was four years during the time he was president. He's kind of doing stand up. And then before that, it's a year and a half that he's running for president, that he's kind of doing stand up. So you basically got a guy who's been doing stand up for nine years. Put it out for the beginning. But if I walk left, there's a stair. And if I walk right, there's a stair. And this guy gets up. Where am he doing stand up? Where the hell am I? So now new records are being set at gasoline Gavin has become crooked Joe Biden's top surrogate. I think because he doesn't think Biden's is going to make it. That's why he's doing it. He doesn't think he's going to make it, and it won't be him so easy. He's going to have a big fight, however, because there will be a lot of Democrats competing.

It's going to be very interesting. But let's see. Look, some people say Biden's going to make it. Does anybody think he's going to make it to the starting game? I mean, the guy can't find his way off of a stage. Look, here's a stage, but it goes a little further than that. I've seen this stupid stage before, right? I've never seen it. But if I walk left, there's a stair, and if I walk right, there's a stair, and this guy gets up, where am I? Where the hell am I? Where am I? Nah, he's terrible. Terrible. You know, I'm much tougher on him than I used to be out of respect for the office. I was never liked. He's the most corrupt president, the most incompetent president we've ever had. But when they indicted me, and then again and again and again, I was never indicted. Now I'm setting records. Al Capone was not indicted so much. Alphonse Capone. If you looked at Al Capone in the wrong way, he'd kill you. He was not indicted like me. I was never indicted. I didn't know. When they taught me at the Wharton School of finance, they didn't talk about indictment.

No. It's a disgrace what's happening. They've weaponized elections. They've done everything. I mean, these are very bad people, but I used to talk relatively nicely about them. I wouldn't go out of my way. I wouldn't say the things I say. Now I'm just all in because these people are bad and they're dangerous and we have to stop them. Okay, that's not it. There's a thing where he does a thing about. He's probably doing it at multiple speeches. Yeah, he talks about him. He's, like pointing at somewhere.

But it's, that Wharton thing was pretty good, too.

It's pretty funny. It is kind of crazy how many times they've indicted him. Yeah, it's pretty wild.

I actually hear, like, I fly a lot, so I'm on planes a lot. And sometimes people talk. And I've heard several times, people are like, well, I'm a Democrat, but why does this keep happening?

It's kind of crazy because it seems like what happens in republics.

Uh huh.

But just somehow or another, it's okay. The exact same thing.

Well, because protecting democracy.

Well, did you see when that guy from Shark tank, Kevin O'Leary, when he was discussing this whole thing. It's like you're going to ruin real estate development in New York. People are not going to want to do real estate deals there because this is how they do it. When they say, my building is worth $400 million, you're supposed to say, no, it's worth $300 million. Here's a loan on $300 million. Like to say that that's fraud. When he paid the loans back. That is the epitome of. What are you doing? What are you chasing? And what have you not chased? What have you not chased down? Can we go over what you have not chased down? And you're chasing this down. Is it possible that you're doing this because this guy's running for president?

Right?

Because it kind of seems like it to the world.

Yeah, it looks real.

It looks real suspicious. It looks real like you're trying to.

Prosecute your political opponents with these gigantic. Letitia James with these gigantic. I don't even know what it is. A settlement.

It's not 360 something million dollars.

That's insane.

It's a lot of money for someone that. Where's it go? Because there's no victims.

Right?

That's a problem. Like, Elon tweeted that.

Yeah.

It's like, okay, where does it go?

It goes to her brag sheet is.

Where it's just kind of bonkers. And then you get the fucking Georgia one with that fanny lady. Yeah, that lady's in trouble.

She's in trouble. She's in hot water.

She's in real trouble. She's in real.

Actually, I was actually in Fulton county the day where Trump came in and got indicted and did his mug shot or whatever. It's pretty wild. I mean, it's just nothing. There's not a story. But I was there. Not at the courthouse. I was just nearby, and I was like, holy shit, I came here on this day of all days. But, yeah, she's in trouble. She's host.

The whole story is amazing, though, to see her on the trial getting sassy, to see her on the stand getting sassy, and to see that her explanation was cash. She keeps a lot of cash around that. I was like, where'd you get this cash?

Yeah. Really?

Why do you have so much cash to pay for all these vacations and all that? You paid them back? Okay.

Yeah.

What? It's like a little kid's explanation. Oh, I paid them back in cash that I just had laying around.

I just happened to have it with.

The idea that it's a black thing too.

That's what I was going to say.

Keep cash around.

They tried to come out and say, well, they're scrutinizing her because she's a black woman. This is encouraging, though, because, like, two years ago, I think that would have worked. Now it's like people are like, stop.

The other thing she tried was, I am not about to emasculate a black man. What does that mean? That is not an answer to a question.

That is not.

But that's a way to throw up that race card and see, you can get out of this question.

That's right. Get out of jail free.

Emasculate a black man. He just happens to be black. We're just talking about what you did with the money. Yeah, tell us about money.

Who the people are just who did.

What the fuck happened here? What's going on?

I call it the iron law of woke corruption.

It's so wild.

Totally.

It's so wild to see. It's just very strange. And here's what drives me crazy. How is all this dei stuff getting into, like.

Yeah, isn't that scary as hell?

Isn't united run by a drag queen?

Well, he know Scott Kirby is the guy's name, which sucks, because I fly on united a lot. Yeah, but don't you want the absolute.

Best people, regardless of their sexual orientation, their gender, their color, their race, the very best people that you can get to fly the fucking planes?

I do.

And fix the fucking planes. Wouldn't you like? I'd like. It would be sweet if we had the best people for the job.

You want to put the tinfoil hat back on? I got an explanation.

Okay.

So earlier I said that the goal is to degrow the west and facilitate China's rise. Okay, so what's happening? Boeing 737. Boeing 737. Boeing. Boeing. Boeing. And we see all this Dei stuff at Boeing. We see all these problems. We just see this guy that committed suicide, the whistleblower. Whistleblower against Boeing, who was saying some deep stuff like that they were intentionally fitting bogus parts. I don't know if this is true, but that's what he was alleging. And then all of a sudden, know decided it was a good day to kill himself. Right before his deposition he was supposed to go to. And so, I mean, it's weird timing, but he's saying that Boeing could be construed, let's suggest, as though it's deliberately committing suicide as an organization. It's cutting corners. It's locked in by this ESG dei stuff. The easy question is why is Dei, because ESG. It's the s and ESG. But little do most Americans realize, in addition to scaring the hell out of people and getting people to fly less, China just released a new jet like two years ago called the Comac C 9119 that is a direct competitor to the Boeing 737.

So maybe you kill Boeing and you allow american manufacturing of high quality aircraft to fall, and then the chinese competitor is now the thing on the market that doesn't have this bad rap sheet and this risk factor. Maybe it's big, dirty international business that's actually happening. Nobody knows about the comac because how much do we pay attention to chinese stuff? Literally, it launched last year for commercial production.

That seems like such a hat you're wearing.

I know, but the problem, that's how ESG works. The degrowth strategy of the west and the why.

But someone at Boeing must know this is going on. And why would they ever allow that to happen if they're a corporation? Well, they have shareholders.

Oh, but we're exiting shareholder capitalism for stakeholder capitalism now. In other words, to answer to the ESG cartel. The Harvard document, this Harvard corporate law document that I was talking about earlier, explicitly says that your governance score can go up for giving yourself corporate bonuses for installing ESG. So you're the CEO, you're the C suite of Boeing, and you're like, well, my business is going to get attacked on the market. It's going to be hard to get lines of capital through these banks unless I'm ESG compliant. And I get a gigantic bonus if I'm ESG compliant. Well, let's just be ESG compliant. ESG compliant starts telling you, you have all of these expensive regulations that you have to go through, and you have all of these DEI social justice things. You have to install all these administrators, you have to hire commissars, you have to hire DEi officers. ESG officers. Those are like six, seven figure jobs. So you have all this stuff. So what is it? To cut corners on the cost a little bit? To pull a broken piece out of the scrap and screw it onto the back of an airplane? Or to hire people who are not really, like, they don't know what an impact wrench is, but they'll figure it out on the tail portion of a 737 in a moment.

So you hear the left saying it's corporate corner cutting. It's corporate corner cutting. That's profits over everything. Well, what if the market that they're running in is actually controlled in this ESG sense to where they have very few options. And they get to reward themselves for installing it and are punished if they don't. And I will wear this. I will put the biggest. Let's fold a tricorn revolutionary war tinfoil hat and go, Joe.

Yeah, that's what I'm looking at now. I'm looking at one of them sailboat looking.

Hell, yes.

But that would mean they're intentionally destroying a company by sabotage and by a slow infiltration of these ideas to the point where you can get them to fit inferior parts on an aircraft. It seems like there's got to be inspectors. Right?

That's part of the scandal. That's what this guy. That.

What is he saying?

Suicide? That's what he was saying, is that they were not inspecting correctly. And part of the video that went viral of him talking was that him and his team went out there and they inspect and they found all these violations.

Let's see his video. Let's see his video. Because I've only seen him speak very briefly, but I saw the store and I was like, jesus Christ.

Yeah.

And my first initial thought was, this man was so embarrassed by the fact that he incorrectly said that Boeing was an evil corporation that he decided to take his own life because he knew that Boeing was amazing and that he had genuinely done a terrible thing. So he decided to take his life.

Yeah. That's a plausible.

Seems most likely.

Yeah.

Because the other possibility is they killed him.

Yeah.

He's telling the truth. Yeah, that was going to be a problem.

That's a dark story right there.

The dark story is that they killed him because if he's dead, then they make billions of dollars. And if he's alive, he could fuck them up and cause the stock to crash and all kinds of other problems to happen and a lot of investigations and all kinds of other stuff. If he's right.

Have you heard of this thing, degrowth, by the way?

No, I haven't. Do we have that video of that? I want to hear it, though. I want to hear about this degrowth thing, because this is also 4d chess. That scares the shit out of me. It scares the shit out of me to think that there really is a puppet mask there. Well, group.

Yeah. Committee, probably council. Soviet means council.

Yeah. But that it's actually effective. But then if you think about who the actual president is, you know, he's not in charge, so. Well, who is it, then? We've agreed to let a bunch of people that were not exactly sure who they are run the country. And once you get that sort of a system in place. They'll do whatever the fuck they can to make sure that they keep that, because they can just keep him in there alive for four more years. He's going to be even crazier three years from now.

People should look up the council for inclusive capitalism while they're wearing their tinfoil.

I almost want him to be president for three more years just for stand up.

Well, there is that.

I mean, I don't know how much longer he can go.

There is.

Yeah. So let's listen to this guy. One, this is not a seven three seven problem. It's a Boeing problem. And I know the FAA has gone in and they've done due diligence and inspections to assure that the door plugs of the seven three seven are installed properly and the fasteners are torqued properly. But my concern is, what's the rest of the airplane? What's the rest of condition of the airplane? And the reason my concern for that is, back in 2012, Boeing started removing inspection operations off their jobs. So it left the mechanics to buy off their own work. So what we're seeing with the door plug blowout is what I've seen with the rest of the airplane as far as jobs not being completed properly, inspection of steps being removed, issues being ignored. My concerns are with the seven three seven and the seven eight seven, because those programs have really embraced the theory that quality is overhead and non value added. So those two programs have really put a strong effort into removing quality from the process. When I first started working at Charleston, I was in charge with pushing back defects to our suppliers.

And what that meant was I'd take a group of inspectors and actually go to the supplier and inspect their product before they sent it in. Well, I'd taken a team of four inspectors to Spirit aero systems to inspect the 41 section before they sent it to Charleston. And we found 300 defects. Some of them were significant, that needed engineering intervention. When I returned to Charleston, my senior manager told me we had found too many defects and he was going to take the next trip. So the next trip he went on, he took two of my inspectors. And when they got back, they were given accolades for only finding 50 defects. So I pulled that inspector aside and I said, did spirit really clean up their act that quick? That don't sound right. And she was mad. She said no. Said the two inspectors were given 2 hours to inspect the whole 41 section, and they were kicked off the airplane. Wow.

Yeah. So there are inspectors. Sort of.

Well done. Sounds like a money thing, right? They're saying that quality is overhead.

Yeah, well, his profits.

A whistleblower statement was made in 2017, I think.

Yeah, he was doing like a deposition or something the other day when he was found dead in his car in the parking lot of a hotel. But you said the profit thing there. So I mentioned the Comac C 9119. That's the direct competitor, chinese manufacturer. New chinese manufacturer to the seven three seven. Well, there's a comac nine two nine as well, which is a direct competitor to the seven seven seven and seven eight seven. And the seven eight seven is the other one that you just mentioned. Like I said, I don't know if you've heard of degrowth, and degrowth is actually a model that kind of can avoid being communist. But I read this book called Marx and the Anthropocene by this japanese Marxist named Kohei Saito, and it's called toward the idea of a degrowth communism. And it talks about how what we need to do is. This matches the Marxists of the 60s, by the way, is that what capitalists need to do? Americans? Capitalism needs to shrink. We produce too much stuff that nobody really needs. So what we need to do, well, I'll just tell you what Herbert Marcusa said in the 60s was, socialism has the right ideology, but it can't produce.

So we have to figure out how to make a productive socialism. And I'm arguing that's what happened in China. They figured out the code. Well, how? By opening up a kind of potemkin market that the government really controls. Well, then, on the other hand, he said, well, capitalism produces, his own words were it delivers the goods. However, it's not sustainable. It makes too much stuff, too much junk. And so what we need is a reduction in our standard of living, a reduction in our amount of stuff, a reduction in energy and everything in the west. And if you could somehow figure out how to make a more sustainable capitalism, then you're off to the races. So what I was saying earlier is that when Kissinger and Brzinski and Deng and Chan and Rockefeller were meeting, they were erecting the idea of this productive socialism for China, for China to take off with a potemkin contained market. Meanwhile, eventually the west would have to degrow so that we could have a system that's not going to outstrip the world's resources. This is at a time when limits to growth from the Club of Rome was really big and really hot.

Klaus Schwab put that platformed it at the World Economic Forum in 73. These guys are still around that Paul Eric and his population bomb was like a big thing. And so these guys were thinking along these terms, and it was, how do we degrow the west? And so what I think we're looking at is, well, there's a chinese manufacturer that can rise while the american manufacturer shrinks. America might not be able to make its own jets, but we can buy them from China. And China becomes more and more secure as the manufacturer from the world. Meanwhile, the Degrowth initiative, there's this program or this research project that was called UK fires. F I r e s. Like fire, right? And this was Oxford University, Cambridge. The government. The british government. This is serious. And so this thing that came out, published in 2019, was called Absolute zero. It's not called net zero, it's absolute zero. And it says that net zero is not enough. We are not going to save the climate change problem if we only go for net zero carbon emissions. We have to go to absolute zero carbon emissions. And so it openly says, what are the initiatives?

No new concrete production, no new steel manufacturing, no container shipping. I mean, you can actually look on the document and see it's like zero by 2050. But it also says, no fossil fuels and no air travel by 20500. Absolutely zero air travel by 2050. And so how do you get to zero air travel by 2050? How do you create a massive reduction? Well, what else is going on besides the chinese market go up? Boeing look bad. Media, of course, is amplifying stories that are pretty routine. Little things go wrong with aircraft all the time. I've taken off a few times. A flapper or something gets stuck. We have to turn around and land and they have to fix it. This is national news when it happens. So they're creating this image that is really scary. But what are the airlines doing at the same time? What is the new aircraft? Have you heard of the boom supersonic? Made in Colorado? So it's like the new Concord, right? Well, you can't fly those over land. Those are transatlantic only. Right. So the UK fire thing actually says no domestic flights whatsoever, but international travel will be reserved.

Well, turns out the boom supersonic is a Concord replacement. It's really fuel efficient, it's really well designed. Not going to throw shade at it. So its operating costs are approximately similar to, like a seven seven seven or a seven four seven. Right. For the same distance. The Concord was a disaster in terms of how inefficient it was. So now you have, by 2029, 140 something, 150 or something like that, orders for the boom supersonic. So they're planning on flying boom supersonics internationally. But they seat. The bigger one seats 60 and the smaller one seats 45. Well, a seven four seven or a seven six seven might seat 360. So that's either six or eight times as many people flying at roughly the same operation cost. So you do the math, and the tickets are going to go up by six to eight times over. That's not a difficult calculation to figure out if they want to make the same profit, which means who's flying? People who can pay eight times as much for a plane ticket or as who's flying. Nobody else is flying. So what you end up doing is, for the sake of the climate, you degrow commercial travel.

That's going to kill off a ton of business. But you don't need that. You can do it by Zoom. Wouldn't this podcast be so much more engaging if we were on Zoom screens? Wouldn't we be having a great time and great relationship? Have you ever watched Zoom? I do a ton of them. So I watch these interviews on Zoom. It's like five minutes in and I'm having like, suicidal ideation. Like, do I really have to watch this? I don't really have suicidal ideation. My God, I'm going to get a million things. I'm just kidding. It's a joke. It's a joke. Got to stare down the camera. Funny.

You have to say that now.

Dude, if you make a. Like, I swear to God, if I have to be on one more Zoom call this week, I'm going to KMs. Right. If you say that on any social media, you start getting emails that are like suicide hotline, prevention, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But it used to be a thing that people just said, yeah, for sure. This movie doesn't end soon. I'm going to kill myself. It's fun.

Nobody's going to kill themselves because a movie went 45 minutes too long. But no, I think this degrowth thing is serious. What's it called? The monthly is monthly review, monthly standard. One of these, it's a socialist magazine published this article about degrowth, and they have their drawing of what it's supposed to look like, and it's supposed to go down to this thing that Klaus Schwab talks about called a circular economy. Bill Gates talks about a circular economy, but literally they're drawing is a spiral down to this little circle in the middle. It looks like your society going down the drain. And it's like, how do you not make fun of this? But I think that they're very serious to try to shrink the economy. And I have my tinfoil hat, but I can tell you why. That's the strategy also, and it's to avoid the war. It's to avoid China rising. This is that Thucydides trap we've kind of started there. Thucydides trap was the idea that when you have a rising power, in this case from Thucydides, it was Sparta going up against an existing power, which would be Athens. In our day, though, it's China and the United States.

If the thing rises, eventually it's going to try to get regional, or in this case, global dominance. China is going to try to become, when it becomes strong enough, the global superpower. Well, if you want access to that market, which they did, you have to open that up, and China is going to rise. So you get trapped into the threat of power struggle between two very wealthy superpowers eventually. Well, how do you avoid the war? Simple. You take the existing power and sunset it while the other one rises. So the sun is no longer rising in the west. It's now setting over America, and it gets to rise over the east. We have a century of Asia, so we build up chinese markets, we diminish american markets. And I think that the whole ESG program, which, by the way, China is exempt from, is designed to do that.

How is China exempt from that?

Because they're a developing nation in the global south, so the policies don't apply to them because climate change is super global or something.

How are they a developing nation? Because they keep developing.

Well, imagine what would happen if you told them, no, they are the manufacturing base for the world. What if you said you have to start following decent human rights protocols, you can't not pay people further labor, maybe don't kill people, don't disappear people anymore. And at the same time, instead of building something like 300 new coal plants, which is, I think, what they're doing, they're building a couple of coal plants a week in China. They're building 57 nuclear power plants. The US is taking some offline, but we're building one in Georgia right now. So you're creating the state of energy dominance for China because you've released them from all these expensive protocols, and all you hear is when people try to start a big company that could compete in the US. Well, let's get the manufacturing for X, Y or Z, take it out of the hands of China, bring it back to America. Let's unoffshore some stuff, bring some american manufacturing back. They're like, whoops, too expensive. Dei, ESG makes it too complicated, too expensive. Everybody complains about it in the business world.

So if you don't comply with Dei and ESG, you can't get loans you.

Have a diminished access to, or worse, interest rates for your short term lines of capital.

Here. Jamie pulled this up, says the benefits of the UN's designation extend beyond the institution itself. For example, the World Trade Organization allows developing nations to have longer periods of time to meet various financial and trade obligations. The World bank provides China billions in loans, even though China's income level would otherwise make it ineligible for such.

Uh huh. And then add in, just again, imagine the World bank said, no, China. That's it, we're cutting you off. What would China do? China would say, pound sand. China's gonna be like, we're huge. Ha ha. We're going to do what we want, probably in Mandarin, because they're going to make everybody answer in Mandarin from then on.

God damn, man.

And I'm like, I'm not going to say that we talk about the tinfoil hat. I can't think of a cleaner explanation that this is deliberate. I've tried really hard to think of an explanation other than that this is on purpose. And they all start, like, spinning wheels. It's like, really weird. But the tools are there, ESG, social credit in China, the whole thing. But I think the Boeing thing is just another piece of this same puzzle. It's destroy the manufacturing base and the wealth of the west and hand it off to what they call the global south and China through its belt and road initiative.

God, I hope you're wrong about this one.

I spend my entire life hoping I'm wrong about everything, I think.

How often do you write?

I write a lot.

No, are you.

What do you mean?

How often are you.

How often am I right?

Correct.

Sorry, I thought you were like, I'm so in my own life, in my own stupid head. I thought you meant writ like. No, I'm writing two books at the same time right now. I really am one about Maoism, but how woke is Mao? But at any rate, I'm right. Let's put it. It's easier to identify when I'm wrong. I do overcook the books occasionally, but it's not very frequently. There's a whole joke online. James, Lindsay was right.

What have you been wrong about?

Well, the far right likes to Lord over me. I thought that they were setting up and I'm going to totally give myself an escape hatch for this, but I thought that there was for sure. Going to be a clash, a violent clash between probably conservative Christians and the LGBT thing somewhere around pride. Last year, I was talking about that leading up to through the spring of 23, and there was obviously no incident of violence. I was particularly concerned when all those Christians went to LA, to Dodger Stadium, and they protested the weird. What were they, the sisters of perpetual indulgence or whatever they called themselves the drag queens that looked like nuns. And I thought, well, this is going to be it, right? So I was wrong. I overcooked there. They did not. Now, here's my escape hatch. I think that when that shooter who was trans in Nashville, was it Covington? Is that the name of the school? Covington school shooter. I think that that changed the entire calculation.

I think Covington. Was that Florida?

Yeah. I might have this wrong. No, it's the one that was in Nashville, though, right? And there were six people were shot, three kids, three teachers. But the one where they haven't released the manifesto yet. But Steven Crowder ended up leaking, allegedly, three pages of it. When that happened, I think the entire country had, like, a take a breath moment because you had this very disturbed young person who was in the transgender universe who went on a rampage, and you very infrequently see she was biologically female, young women going on rampages. So why in the world is it was she hopped up on testosterone? Was the test converting to estradiol through aromatase or whatever and driving her into rage? Because that's a thing, right? Why did this happen? Or she's just so frustrated by her ideology and stuff not going her way and she decided she flipped out and was going to get revenge? I think that changed the calculation. I think that they were priming the situation for violence, and then the violence didn't come. So I overestimated the potential for that circumstance, and I was wrong about that. See if I can think of some more instances.

But that's, like, a bold prediction. To predict violence is a bold prediction. You could be wrong about that. But I mean, like, specific things that you believe to be true that weren't.

Other than the fact that I thought that it would be better to live without religion than with it in the past.

Isn't that fascinating? Yeah, I've had the same.

That was a luxury belief of, like, 90s kids.

Yeah, well, it was the idea that the atheists were smart and the other people were superstitious.

Yeah, that was totally dead wrong about that. I had TDs. I had straight up. I was, like, on the floor, like.

Trump arrangement syndrome that's right.

I thought Trump was the end of the world.

This is 2016, 1617.

Yeah.

When did you guys come on the podcast with those fake papers?

That would have been very beginning of 19 or very end of 18. Yeah, because that came out in October 18, and you were fast.

Yeah, I was. Fucking loved it. To this day, we've talked about the dog park one, like 100 times.

That dog park paper is on another level.

Goddamn genius. It's goddamn genius. But it's so crazy that so many of the things that you talked about in these fake papers were appreciated and applauded. And it just makes you realize the lunacy of these fucking people that are supposed to be in charge of higher education that they didn't pick up on that. This is insane. You're talking about heteronormity in dog parks. Fuck are you saying? What the fuck did you study?

Yeah, they won an award, dude. That's so.

Won an award?

Yeah.

What was the total title of the paper?

It was human reactions to queer performativity and rape culture in urban dog parks in Portland, Oregon.

Jesus Christ.

Oh, dude. Some of those other ones, though, like, we had the one it's called in through the backdoor where we said that straight men would become more feminist and more sensitive and less transphobic if they practiced putting things up their own asses.

Oh, that's right.

That was called an important contribution to knowledge. That's still my favorite thing ever.

An important contribution to knowledge.

I just love the titles. We had a fat bodybuilding paper, and we called it, who are they to judge? Because bodybuilders are huge and fat people are huge, and who are they to judge that one big body is bad and one big body is good?

Well, I don't think that that merits a scientific paper, but if you wanted to do that and people wanted to see it, I would have no problem with it. If you decided that we're going to go back to the days of when you see these Ruben esque women in these paintings that are obese, eating grapes, that this was considered hot because it was really difficult to get fat back then.

Yeah.

You want to go back to that? If that's what your choice is, I have no problem with that. You do what you want to do.

Yeah, well, best of luck to your dating pool.

Yeah, but the thing is to study that for a scientific paper and then to submit it and then have people give it a fucking award. Like what?

My favorite part of that actually is the title, but in the way aftermath of that, this real neuroscientist wrote this paper. Like, no, there's no way that anybody could actually say that's absurd. And so we wrote a paper back, and we're like, no, it's really absurd. And then he wrote another paper. There's no basis upon which anybody could say that fat bodybuilding is an absurdity. His name is Jeffrey Cole. Do you remember that weird phobia that came out and it went viral, like, 1015 years ago, where he was like, they discovered a new phobia of things with, like, little holes in it all over the place? Trypsophobia. I don't know, something like that. No, there's, like, honeycombs or whatever, and it weirds some people out.

Oh, really?

It's the guy who discovered that went off on us.

Oh, my God, that's hilarious. So there's no way it could be absurd that fat bodybuilding.

There's no basis upon which we could conclude that it's absurd. Some people might think it's totally normal, so it couldn't possibly be considered absurd.

Well, some people could think it's totally normal. You could imagine that someone could get to a point where they appreciated fat bodies and they wanted to see different fat bodies. And, like, how did you build your fat? Only lard. I ate only lard.

That's in the paper. It says it takes a long time to build a fat body. It takes even longer to build a politicized fat body.

Yeah, but it does take long to build a fat body.

I don't know, man.

I hate if you were interested in doing that, like, if you're interested in drinking yourself to death, I don't think you should do it, but you're allowed to.

And it's a project.

Yeah, it's a project. And if you decide to fat bodybuild yourself into a state of over the.

Weekend biological decay, I went off my diet, and I'm like, because I'm doing that meat thing now. So I'm like, three days of just, okay, I'll eat breakfast. Okay, I'll have the dessert. I'm like, how did I gain six pounds? Like, what the hell is this?

Yeah, you could cheat and get gone pretty quick. I'm on it. 90. I'd say, like, 95%.

That's about me too.

But last night, I cheated last night. Joe de Rosa brought me a sub. He's got this sub shop in New York City called Joey Roses, and he just put in, like, I guess he's got a stand out here or something. He's got a pop up out here. And so he brought over some sandwiches for. Dude.

It'd be hard to follow that diet in this city. There's a lot of food here.

There is a lot of great steakhouses, though.

That's true too.

It's not that hard to follow. The thing is, that's what my body craves for the most part.

Me too. I feel like 1000 times better.

Yeah. I just think for most people, high protein diets, they just feel better and.

High protein, real food.

And the most important thing is real food.

Real food. That's right.

I ate a lot of eggs.

Nothing comes out of a meat. Yeah, it comes out of a chicken. It doesn't come out of a box.

Yeah. And I always feel way better. I've done a bunch of different diets. I've tried a bunch of different things.

Well, they're after that too, right? Like no beef consumption.

Yeah. Well, that's another one that's in the.

Absolute zero paper, too. No beef, no lamb. Zero, absolute zero. Because apparently that's really bad for the environment or whatever.

And the question is, how are you going to get people to go along with that?

The Salt Lake Tribune just put out an article yesterday. I made fun of it on Twitter talking about the same thing. It's like, we need to get no meat, no dairy, and then we can have better diets.

How are you going to kill all those cows? It's up to you. You go do it.

Jordan Peterson says that it's proof that it's earth worshiping or Gaia worship cult because they're sacrificing cows to the weather. That is why. Jordan, you got a point, brother.

That's a very good point. Sacrificing cows to the weather. Like in Ireland, they passed some law where they had to kill like 200,000 cows.

That was what we were talking about. Me and Jordan were talking about that.

And what the fuck are you guys talking about?

Yeah.

Well, you're out of your mind. You're stopping people from making food. Are you fucking crazy? Meanwhile, China is making thousands or how.

Many coal plants they have, 300 something? I don't know how many they have. I know how many they're making. And I've gone over and breathe the air there. Yeah, I've been over there and breathed the air. Like on a bad day. Like on a nice day. It's a nice day. It's the same as usual, like here, but three days of the week, it's like blade runner. It's like, what the hell's going on? It depends on which way the wind is blowing, and otherwise your life is literally poison.

Jesus Christ.

Like, your eyes are burning for no reason. Here's the worst part. So you get off the plane. If you've ever been to China, I don't want to waste your time. No, you get off the plane and immediately you can smell it. It smells kind of like glue and dirty cardboard and petro. You can smell the pollution. Know about an hour in, you can't smell it anymore. You're used to it until the first time you go take a piss and you smell it again because it's in your blood.

Oh, wow.

And you're like, oh, no.

Oh, wow. You smell the pollution in your piss?

Yeah, like the first time.

Oh, my God.

Then you become completely used to it and you don't notice it anymore.

That's the thing about all factory senses. You become accustomed to smells. That's why people that live in places that have, like, if you go past, like, a slaughterhouse, have you ever done that? That fucking smell? You're like, how do these people live with this?

I got lost in the smokestack part of Texas one time, and there were some smells on the road even.

It used to be New Jersey. When you go past the factories in Jersey, be like, what the fuck? And they're just billowing smoke out to the sky. Just billowing smoke out to the. This fucking smell. Imagine this is your town, dude. You got to get out of here.

I'll tell you what. That's china. So what I said when I went over there first time. So this is kind of relevant is this whole ESG model. The first time I went over there, as I said, I came home and people are like, well, what's it like? And I was like, well, I looked around and it's obviously communist because you can see weird shit where people are fake doing fake jobs. It's obvious that they just get paid an income to look busy. Stuff like a dude sitting on his hands and knees hitting the ground with a hammer when the boss is around, like, doing nothing. I went to a bank one time when I was over there to change, like $200 so I could have some cash. And they were like, oh, yeah, the bank doesn't change money on Tuesdays. And I was like, what? And then I got bumped into by this janitor, and that's like, I guess, taboo or something because he was way too worried about having bumped into a customer than I thought he should have been. Maybe I just don't know the culture. So he bumps into me, and I know, like, ten things in Chinese.

So it was like, maywean t, which means, like, no problem. And all of a sudden you could see they all did the little, like, you're not supposed to do racial microaggressions, but they did the little face. They're like, because I did the whole asian surprise face because I spoke Chinese, right? So all of a sudden the lady behind the desk was like, oh, I just remembered, we do change money on Tuesday. Because now she thought I could go tell on her in Chinese.

Whoa.

I was at Starbucks and they wrote white man on my cup. Byron on my cup.

So interesting. Ireland isn't calling cows for climate, but maybe it should be. What the fuck?

Oh my God. It's not happening, but it should be.

It's not a true story. It's fake. It said it came from Elon's tweet. That came from something else. And then when looked. Oh, here you go.

Like, the rumors started here.

Okay, here it goes. The rumors of Ireland's dairy cull landed in a media and online context primed by the dutch case for outrage. Case in point, Musk's comment was in response to a tweet by a right wing provocateur about a story in an obscure Wyoming publication called Cowboy state daily that accused Ireland's government of bovine seidal intentions. That article, in turn, cited an op ed from the british newspaper the Telegraph railing against Ireland's alleged mooted cow massacre and warned in apocalyptic terms of an ecomodernist agenda to do away with conventional meat altogether. The Telegraph did not cite its sources, but it likely drew in an article published the previous day in the irish newspaper the Independent. That story reported on the internal government document discussed above, including the proposal that 195,000 cows be cold over three years at the government's expense to help achieve its ambitious climate goals. But hold on a second.

It goes on to continue about how.

It would be so hard to even do it. But hold up. Go back there. That story reported on the internal government document. So what is the internal government document need to call 65,000 cows every year in order to meet the proposed climate goal? So they're just saying that if we real. There's no way to meet these goals. The only way to meet these goals in terms of what the impact agriculture would have, we'd have to kill 65,000 cows a year. So they're not saying we should do that.

Right.

But they are at least saying that's on the table.

That's what I talked to these ranchers out in New Mexico not that long ago, and they were telling me that that's the way all the policies are, that to meet whatever the new environmental standard is, so that you don't get somebody breathing down your neck or maybe you don't get fines or whatever, that they're actually impossible. He said that the only way you could meet some of these is to have no cows and no people on the land whatsoever. And I don't know if they're actually going to move on that. But this is what I'm talking about with. Because it's not in the UK, fires absolute zero document. It's 100% in there, that this is no beef, no lamb at all. So those have got to go. By 2000 and I guess 50, there will be zero consumption of beef and lamb under the ambitious net zero or absolute zero, I should say. Climate 20500.

And so did they plan on making cows extinct? Do they plan on keeping a breeding population that you could fucking just keep the species alive with? What the fuck are they going to do?

I don't know, but they talk a lot about the emissions of those. But then they also say that when there was the massacre of the bisons, that was really bad, and bisons make a lot of emissions, but there was no climate emergency from all the bisons. So, I mean, I don't know.

Well, the climate science is also a religion. If you have anyone that goes over the actual data and differs with what the narrative is, that person is a crazy person and a climate denier.

A denier, that's right.

You can't even have discussions about the actual real numbers. You can't talk about the real history of the climate of earth. You can't talk about the dangers of global cooling. If you just talk about the dangers of global cooling. You're a climate denier.

Yeah. You can't talk about whether we're in a natural warming cycle or if it's got or whatever. Not saying that we are, I don't know, but you can't talk about it.

This is one fact for sure. We know 100% that the temperature of earth has never been static.

That's right. It goes down ever.

When they do those core samples and they go back thousands and thousands and thousands of years, it's never been static. It's always been all over the fucking place. And there's a bunch of variables that cause it to change.

Right.

They know that and they know that humans are having some impact. We're having some impact. What is the impact and how much of it should we throw the fucking society that we all live in, into the gutter to try to fix, right.

Or hand over all of the power to a handful of unelected dictators, these so called stakeholders. And why does Bill Gates know more about all of this than like, I get it, he built Microsoft. Like, he can do something. He knows, like, I'm not going to take that away from him. But why is he the God of vaccines and climate and every other thing? Because he built fucking computer.

It's very weird. It's all very weird because it's just like, you don't want to think it's that on the nose. You don't want to think it's like that on the nose that they're engineering the demise.

I actually get hopeful when I think that they are. I'm much more afraid of it being just some random organic shit going off the rails than it is that there's some number of people who could be identified. I worry about that as criminals.

I worry about that. I worry about it. There is a lot of. It is a random thing that just happens with human beings that are tribally.

Opposed to each other, then maybe too wealthy or whatever.

And there's a lot of that, a lot of free time and a lot of easy living, and then it all just ramps up like everything does, nothing stays like, this is a good way to behave. That's where religion comes in, because religion does tell you this is a good way to behave. And these are the tenets that you should live by. And it's not like this thing that you should be escalating and pushing it further and further and further.

So I got to get all like churchy because. But I have been. I've seriously, when I said earlier that I've been looking at the Bible a lot, looking at the gospels, not just particularly, but especially. I was reading the Gospel of Matthew the other day, 7th chapter. And I bet you never thought you're going to have this conversation with me. But I was reading it and I'm reading about the way is narrow. The straight and narrow way where he has that in Matthew seven, he's like, wide is the path that leads to destruction, but the way that leads to life is straight and narrow. And it's like, well, what is that talking about? It's like you have to live well, you have to treat each other well. It's like you have to also repent when you mess up. And people don't like to do that. You can't just go along with the crowd because the crowd is going in some direction, that's the wide path and that leads to destruction. But the way is straight and narrow. When he says straight, it's not like straight like straight line. It's straight like a waterway. So that means that the edges are like right there.

And if you don't run the boat just right, you're going to crash into the sides. And it's a weird kind of pun or whatever in English, but it turns out that that's the word that he used for Greek is what it means, is a narrow waterway. And so it's very important that we live like that. And so what does religion do? Well, religion teaches people to at least contemplate this crap. Why don't you stop for five minutes of your week and think maybe there are some ways to be a good person, right?

And if you don't have a structure for that, then it's dependent entirely upon the ideology that you subscribe to. If it's an out of control ideology that may very well be controlled by foreign powers that are using it to.

Disrupt this country, and then you've got.

A crazy thing to think, but that might really be what's going on.

I think it is. I'll put the hat back on or whatever, but I'm not afraid of the radio waves is the problem. I've got to put, like something else on tinfoil Hat's fine, though.

It suits its purpose.

Yeah, it suits the purpose seriously. But then even that gets infiltrated, so people have got to take it really seriously. I like to tell people, this is my little bit, right? So I'll waste one of my bits. But I tell people, it's like, here's how communism is. This is how freaking seductive it is. So in again, Matthew, chapter ten, Jesus is talking and he says that I send you out and you have to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves. It's a very famous Matthew 1016. It's a very famous verse. So you have to be wise and wary like a snake, right? Testing the tongue, testing the air, knowing where you're going. If I'm going to send you out into the world, you've got to be wise and judicious and discerning, but you also have to be gentle, right? And so what do the communists do? This is how subtle they are, Joe. They come along and say, did you hear that? Jesus said, be gentle. And they leave out the other part. And you're like, yeah, he did. And then you got a bunch of weak, namby pamby pastors who think it's about being winsome and being cool for their congregation and not standing up for the truth any longer.

And that's bad. And then what happens is stuff starts to go shitty. And then you have Mussolini comes along, the fascist guy comes along and he's like, the problem is being gentle. But no, the problem was that you're not being discerning and wise anymore. So what happens is the communists take away half the commandment to suck you in and marries a truth to a lie or whatever. And then the fascists overreact by throwing the principle out entirely. But if people were grounded in their faiths and taking it seriously, they would realize, no, I have to be kind and gentle, but I also have to be wise as a serpent. When the serpent's in danger, it doesn't hesitate to strike. But it's only going to do that when it's in danger. So it's like, that's crafty, man, right? And then look at, like, that's crafty to an adult. Now imagine then when they do that to, like a five year old, like, with the stuff in schools or whatever, right? Like, oh, well, people who looked like you had a long history of causing a lot of problems in this country. And they didn't say you're a bad kid to the kid, but they said people who look like you or your ancestors.

Speaking of my ancestors, we'll let the world know because my reparations bill will go through the roof. I found out recently I'm 7th cousins with Robert E. Lee.

Whoa.

Yeah. Like some family is doing the genealogy. And so now my reparation bill just went up to, like, elon Musk level.

Wow, that's crazy.

Yeah. I didn't know the guy.

Of course.

Never met him.

Of course. We're just like. We're not mad at Klaus Schwab for his dad.

No, we're mad at Klaus Schwab for other reasons.

Yeah, it wasn't his choice. It wasn't your choice that Robert E. Lee was. How many generations?

Seven.

Seven.

Yeah. Apparently my line and he had a common grandfather is the way that the 7th cousin's math works out.

It is kind of wild to imagine that just a couple of hundred years ago, less the United States was involved with a war with each other.

Yeah, that's right. Like, just.

That's how nuts we are. We're so fucking nuts. We'll fight each other.

Well, freedom is important.

Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

I mean, liberty or death.

Yeah. And that was the ultimate one, right?

Yeah, I think about that all the time now. Man, give me liberty or give me death. I used to think when I was a kid, like, that's crazy.

It sounds ridiculous because there's so much no real issues when you're a kid.

But now it's like, no, that's legit. I'm in.

Yeah. They said it for a reason, because back then, it was a whole different ballgame they were playing. Imagine someone trying to start a new country today.

Yeah. You're going to have a hard time getting off the ground.

Good fucking luck. You think it's hard to get a DeI loan?

Yeah, no kidding.

To start a manufacturing corporation in America. Imagine trying to start a country.

Yeah. You better be compliant with everything or you're like some crazy rogue state or whatever, right?

Imagine if Iceland was for sale or some country. Greenland. Like Greenland. You could buy Greenland. Imagine you bought Greenland. You're like, we're just going to fucking let people be cool.

Yeah, really cool, actually.

Let people have a good time. Well, that's a good spot to buy if the global warming fanaticists are true. If they're right.

Yeah, well, they're correct.

Greenland's the spot.

So are they buying up that property?

No. The thing is that a lot of these people that are pushing all this climate change agenda have homes on the beach, and they're not getting rid of those. And by the way, the shoreline hasn't changed.

Yeah, Plymouth Rock is like just barely above the surface. You can still see where they wrote 1620 on it.

Look, the surface has changed throughout human history. We know that, folks. And you know when it changes the most? When there's a fucking ICE age. That's the scary shit, kids.

Yeah, and there's these weird things because it doesn't change tomorrow. It's not like that stupid movie. It's like you can build these things called sea walls, but it's also like.

Every single thing that happens is being used as a device to control people. And the fact that some people are reluctant to see that is very disturbing to me. It's like, hey, guys, something's happening here.

And same formula every time. It could be that we're all going to have a better future, but there's these deniers that won't come along with us, so hate them because it would be great. And you're sacrificing. You're riding a bike to work instead of driving.

A good person.

You're a good person. And those assholes with their truck, big diesel truck, are ruining the planet.

I was watching this lady talk about this. She was talking about how she loves having an electric car because she knows that it means I'm being a good person.

That's right.

Contributing to the environment. I just saw this thing that said that the environmental impact of electric cars is actually worse overall than the environmental impact of a traditional combustion engine. Is that true? Because that sounds crazy.

I read the same thing as you, so my depth of knowing that it's true is equal to yours.

Just in all fairness, I drove here in electric car. I drive an electric car all the time.

Do you?

Yeah, I have a Tesla. It's awesome.

Okay.

Is it the fucking rules?

I've seen a couple of the cyber trucks. You got a cyber truck?

No, I have the Model S. Oh, yeah.

Those are fun.

It's great. It's so comfortable. It's easy. It's fast as shit. It's ridiculous. It makes other cars feel stupid. They feel dumb because they don't move like that thing. That thing moves like. It's like teleporting. It's bizarre. It's bizarre what it can do. It's easy to drive. I don't like the fact the horn is not in the middle. This is probably what we saw electric vehicles release. More toxic emissions are worse for the environment than gas powered cars studied. This is in the New York Post and it says it's amazing that they didn't ban this story. Yeah, right from the New York Post. Remember when they did that with Twitter, with the Hunter Biden last night? How wild is that? Electric vehicles release more toxic particles into the atmosphere and are worse for the environment than their gas powered counterparts, according to a resurfaced study. The study, published by Emissions data from Emissions analytics, was released in 2022, but has attracted a wave of attention this week by being cited in a Wall Street Journal op ed on Sunday. It found brakes and tires on EVs release 1850 times more particle pollution compared to modern tailpipes, which have efficient exhaust filters, bringing gas powered vehicles emissions to new lows today, most vehicle related pollution comes from tire wear.

Whoa. As heavy cars drive on light duty tires, most often made with synthetic rubber made from crude oil and other fillers and additives, they deteriorate and release harmful chemicals into the air, according to emission analytics.

I do know they're heavier and they wear down the roads faster.

Wow. Because EVs are an average of 30% heavier, brakes and tires in the battery powered cars wear out faster than on standard cars. Emission analytics found that tire wear emissions on half a metric ton of battery weight in an EV are more than 400 times as great as direct exhaust particulate emissions, for reference, half a metric ton is equivalent to roughly 1100 pounds. That's something that someone had told me a long time ago about cities, that the thing about the pollution is it's not just the emissions, it's brake dust that you're breathing in. Brake dust because if you've ever touched your car, like your wheels after you drive it for a while, when you're cleaning your car, you get brake dust everywhere. Dust. It's all over the inside that goes out into the air.

Oh, yeah, totally.

And that's fucking.

You know what?

It doesn't on carbon brakes when you have those. What is it? Carbon ceramic disk brakes. They don't seem to do that. Are they more environmentally friendly? Are carbon ceramic disk brakes more environmentally friendly than regular? Because your wheels don't get all fucked up like that. You don't get brake dust all over.

Your wheels, like, nasty black.

No, it's interesting. It's more expensive and they put them on, like, high performance cars. But is it more environmentally friendly? Because it seems like it would be. If you're not getting the brake dust, where is it going? Is it just not making dust because it's a carbon fiber pad and then the brake? So does it just work without making dust? Does that even make sense?

What I've read about these EVs, besides getting the materials to make the batteries, is that they're not, like, reusable. There's, like, no used EV market.

Right.

Nobody wants to buy a used one. And then replacing the batteries, if they wear out, is a disaster.

It's very expensive.

Yeah. Close to the price of the car itself sometimes is what I've heard. I don't know. Really? Yeah. They can be extremely expensive. So there's no.

That much.

There's zero aftermarket. So where do they go? Do they have, like, electric car graveyards, like, with the windmill blades, where they just kind of bury them in the dirt?

I don't know what happens. There's a significant reduction in brake dust compared to metal blend pads. Significant reduction. But they are way more expensive, aren't they? Yes, they're way more expensive.

Yeah. It's like everybody's got to ride around in, like, expensive Porsche brakes.

Yeah, but I mean, if you think about all the other things that we do for the environment, if carbon ceramic brakes are a possibility, how much more expensive does it make a car? $500 more? Is there a way that they can produce them in mass? Is there a reason why they haven't done that? That seems to be alone a solution at least for electric cars. If you'd say you're spending the money to get a Tesla, they're fucking expensive already. If someone's going to spend 120 grand on a car, you won't spend 122 and get carbon ceramic brakes that won't pollute the atmosphere nearly as much.

Damn. Well, it would seem to make reason.

Yeah, that's a wild statistic, but that lady was not aware of that. She's like, I'm doing a really amazing job.

This quick thing I just pulled up, it says it almost takes a month to make each one. Holy shit.

Whoa.

That's probably why that's a lot of investment to build. Well, ceramics are complicated if they're high tech.

Wow. Holy shit. Average of. I don't understand, $10,000 per break. Did that sound right? Whoa.

I don't know if that's right, but.

You'Re looking somewhere in the 10,000 range.

For a set of rotors.

Wow. Holy shit.

Maybe it's a little bit more than that.

Yeah. Damn.

Damn. Yeah.

But isn't there another way? If they have carbon ceramics and they're doing it for that, isn't there some other kind of compound that they could do that's comparable? Doesn't it seem like someone should be able to figure that out? If that's literally the source of our major form of pollution, I bet they trying to figure that out.

Yeah.

What am I, retarded? Some guys. What the fuck is wrong with me? I'm like, why doesn't anybody figure it out?

A lot of R and D, but it still doesn't answer the question. If people want to drive an electrical vehicle, like, okay, fine, who cares?

Right?

But it's like, why do we have to get rid of gas ones if the emissions are negligible compared to their brakes, whatever the brakes happen to be.

Right.

If their brakes are most of the pollution, and the emissions are, like, basically nothing. I think that emissions is one of those words that they just say it and then everybody has to do what they say. Because they said emissions. Think about the emissions. Think about the emissions.

Right. And they're not taking into account brake dust.

Yeah. There's so much else going on. Tire wear seems just a little bit fake.

Well, it's definitely fake if that's true. If that's true, that's something that really we need. But the scary thing is, and they say, then we must take all cars off the road. And everyone stays in a 15 minutes. City and bicycle everywhere. It's good for you.

You saw what Buttigieg said a year or two years ago that their goal was by 2030 to get to net zero. That's the buzzword. Automobile deaths. How do you get to zero automobile deaths?

Pete, stop people driving cars. That's the best way.

Yeah, basically, it turns out that stuff happens.

Good Lord.

Yeah, so it's like, good Lord.

James Lindsay, don't come here with good thoughts and tidings for the future.

I am the most optimistic person in this stupid culture war.

Joe, you're the most optimistic person that knows what you know.

Well, okay. That's fair. Yeah, no, I actually think I see these guys bungling so much. Like Joe Biden's bungle. Not, he's a bungler. He is a. Like, I got asked at this christian event one time, this kind of person's, like, wailing and they're know, if God is real. It was almost like, if God is real, why did we have to have Biden? And, like, the only answer I could think of on the spot was because people have to be able to see dude's pulling the curtain back for an awful, like, what the hell?

Having that guy as president is fascinating. And when they expose it, like, when Corinne Jean Pierre, or however you say her. Yeah, when she tweeted accidentally from her own account as Biden, like, oh, look, how about that? And when you see that lady when she's the White House press secretary answering questions, it's so ridiculous.

It is.

Imagine posturous. Imagine that that's the person that's pulling the strings.

And then it's like, they invite, like, well, what was that guy that was stealing women's luggage? Sam Brinton, like, the whole administration, they're.

In their fucking mind.

Whatever shade is deserved and no more. But we got the admiral Levine, and we just see the pictures, and you're like, what the hell?

And she's in charge of health.

He.

He's in charge of health.

We'll be in trouble for that.

But whatever that person, that crazy person, the admiral, that unhealthy looking person.

Yeah.

Is in charge of. Whoa, hey, maybe there's a problem. And China must be. Look, I kind of admire their long game. I think it's very impressive. Well, it know. Listen, I am not chinese, but if I was in China, I would be proud of what my country's doing to America.

A generational strategy.

I think they're killing it.

My experience on the ground in China is that roughly half, like, what's going on, not with. Against America, but with that system. And roughly half would very quietly whisper when I was there. Do everything you can, because if we lose America, we lose everything. So there's a sizable portion of Chinese that know that they can bug out to America, but if America goes, there's nowhere to bug out to.

Isn't that wild that wearing a Make America great again hat on can get you how? And it happens to be red, which seems at least slightly symbolic. Yeah, the whole thing is bananas.

We are in the pinnacle of bananas time.

James Lindsay, I'm very, very glad you're out there. I'm glad that you know as much as you know and you could talk about these things and that you have a personality that seems to enjoy some of this conflict.

Well, I like a little bit, and I like the absurdity. I'm not going to lie. I think at the end of the day, it's easy to remember this is all really funny.

It is very funny. Unless it's tearing your life apart and then it's not so funny for you. But the human folly of it all at scale, at the scale that we're witnessing is kind of amazing.

It's tremendously amazing.

It's also kind of amazing when we know as much as we know about human nature, we know as much as we know about the benefits of hard work and work ethic and discipline. And all these things that we've always praised people for in the past is now being dismissed as being racist or sexist or Islamophobic or whatever the fuck, white supremacy, whatever the fuck they can label it with. It's like they're trying to diminish strength through a very obvious sort of ideological scheme. And it's weird. It's weird to watch. It's weird to watch human folly play out like that and so many people accept it and adopt it.

Yeah, it's a fun project.

Is that what the Bible was talking about when they said the meek shall inherit the earth?

Yeah, it might be. It was definitely what the Bible is talking about. Where one prophet after another stands up in the Old Testament is like, listen, you screw heads, you're way off the track and if you don't get in line, God's going to punish you. And so what did they do? In almost every case, not quite every case, they go after the prophet. Right? Like the prophets didn't have a nice easy ride. Maybe a couple of exceptions to that, but the prophets were like, hey, guys, we got to get back to living the correct way. And they bullied the prophet instead. So it feels kind of like living in Bible stories sometimes.

It does. I feel like, if we were on Spotify, I would ask you to queue up johnny cash. God's going to cut you down. So can we just play that just for the Spotify people and say goodbye to the YouTube people? We can't do that. Not really. All right, I'll listen to it when I get out of here. You should too, Johnny.

Always.

What was that?

I just won't play it for everybody else.

Who's everybody else?

I'll play it for us.

Just for us. All right, let me hear a little bit of it. I didn't know Chris Rock was in that video. All right, edit that out. Hey, thank you. Appreciate you. Thanks for being here, man. And thanks for having so much information that you can just give people a roadmap that I really don't think is available in a lot of places.

Appreciate that.

Thank you very much. All right, bye, everybody.