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Tell me the story of the three with the seven wolves.

Yeah. Well, seven coyotes. I think it was nine. I think it was nine coyotes. Damn. That's a crazy story.

I feel like I'm looking at you on my phone right now. It's crazy.

Are we rolling? Yeah. That's hilarious. Yeah, it's weird when you meet people, when you see Me too, with you. I've only seen you on YouTube. I've seen you on my phone.

It's cool, man. It's a pleasure, bro. Pleasure to meet you, too, man. Bro, you're a bad motherfucker, bro. First of all, to me, my dad was like my God. You know what I'm saying? So to see him I'll fight you and stroke your ego, bro, it's just cool. That's cool.

I'd like to meet your dad.

Yeah, you just met him. Oh, that was your dad? Yeah, the swole man skin. Oh, no shit.

Oh, your dad's cool as fuck. That's awesome, man. That's awesome. Beautiful.

Yeah, looks good, Yeah, my whole life he's been like that. He looks good. I remember I'd get in trouble and he would punish me with workouts. Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, wow. I've been fit my whole life. I started getting fat when I touched that rapper money. Yeah, really. It's hard, right? Yeah, I'd go out to eat and Because I'm already indecisive. So I go out to eat and order five things and just eat small off each plate.

Well, that's a problem when you first start getting money, right? You just get indulgent.

Yeah. I'm chilling now, though. You know what I'm saying? But definitely at first it was like...

When When I was 25, I got a development deal, and I was spending so much money. My manager called me up. He thought I had a gambling problem.

He was like, Do you have a gambling problem?

I'm like, No, I'm eating steak and lobster every night.

I was just going to say, bro, it goes to food, right? Because I ain't bought jewelry or nothing like that. Nothing?

I've seen the grill.

I mean, yeah, but I had a grill before I was anybody. And then my second grill, Paul Wall gave to me.

Oh, that's cool.

Paul Wall is the man. Yeah, shout out to Paul Waller. It was just his birthday a few days ago, too.

That dude, he looks like a real estate agent.

With the come over?

Yeah, when he's got this crazy grill.

Yeah, he's cool as shit, though.

He's cool as shit.

He's a nice person. I was smoking with him, and I handed him a joint And he was like, Thank you. He was like, Are you telling me, Thank you for your next rotation. But he's just a sweet dude. That's nice.

Yeah, it's cool. I've seen him in interviews. I love to talk to that dude. I've seen him in interviews. He always seems cool as fuck.

I'm just real happy. If you're down, I'd love to connect you.

Yeah, let's do it. Yeah, for sure.

Let's do Paul, man.

I found out about you from Tony Hinchcliff. My friend Tony Hinchcliff. He's like, Yo, you got to listen to this. And he puts it on. He's a comedian. Okay, see. And he put it on in the green room with the mothership. He put Cowboy Killer. I was like, Oh, shit. This is good, man. Now it's in our Spotify rotation.

Thank you so much. Cowboy Killer was a fun one to write. I remember I was in West Columbia and my bud and Nate was like, just do something different. He was like, Make a country song. And I just played a country rap beat. And from there, it just went crazy.

Yeah, dude, we find ourselves walking around the green room sometimes going, Lately, I've been fucking.

I just did that one at the rodeo. They went stupid.

Oh, I bet.

Yeah, that's one of the ones they go crazy for when I perform. I feel like Maybe just because it's easier to sing along to. A lot of my stuff, they don't even understand what I'm saying. They just sound good. Right.

Yeah. No, that one's a good one to sing along to. It's also just fun. Yeah, definitely. It's a fun song. You're having a good fucking time.

Definitely, man. And I'm glad you said that because that's what I tried to give out. This next project I'm working on, I want to call it Recess. And I want to call it Recess because at this point, bro, I don't have walls. I don't have boundaries. You know what I'm saying? I don't have an ego that's holding me down to one sound or anything like that. This is Recess to me. So therefore, I can go to the Monkey Bars and dominate. Then I can go to the Jungle gym, and then I can go to the swings and have fun everywhere. So it sounds like I'm having fun.

That's great. Yeah.

It's a Listen, bro, man, I would have never thought I'd be here. I thank God every day, bro, because I used to be on Acid laid out in the middle of the street, and I wasn't doing acid the way you all do acid. I feel like some people do drugs, and they do it to better, to learn. I was strictly abusing this shit. You know what I'm saying? I just wanted to be fucking dick in the dirt high. It's just beautiful, bro. I tell people all the time, God's going to have an amazing talk with you all because you all don't even understand. You all save somebody's life and you don't even know it because it's just pure enjoyment to you. But bro, God watches that, man. And I promise all my fans God going to have a good talk with them because they spoil me. You know what I'm saying? They make me feel good, bro. I love my fans, dog. They pay attention to the smallest shit ever. I was in California. I did a show in LA, and this girl brought a shirt, and she had a mural of my mama's headstone on it.

It said when she passed her birthday Her name, my name, my little brother's name. And I was like, damn, that shit's just cool, bro. Because my mother gave me my first rap name, V-Man, and I've been rapping since I was four years old. You know what I'm saying? So it's just cool. My mama was a gangster. I was talking to Fatboy a few days ago in Bay City, and Fatboy, he's like, Oh, my God, Virgil. I love you. So me and Sophie, we were best friends. And he was like, Yo, mama taught me how to cook hard. Just going on and on. Mama was walking around Bayes City like, Where's my money at? We're just Savage. We're just short. She was a little pocket rocket. Short with so much power. And she was beautiful, man. Everybody loved her. I feel like it was hard with the family with her. You know what I'm saying? I grew up watching my mother and her mother fish fight in the living room. Oh, wow. Yeah. But that's why sometimes When people be like, Oh, yeah, this for Sophie, Sophie this, Sophie that. I'm like, Man, none of you motherfuckers.

Like, all you all traded her. All you all turned your back on her. There were some people that were supposed to fight for me in court when my mother died because they knew, but they didn't. You know what I'm saying? They backed out. You know what I'm saying? Fight for you in court?

How?

So when my mother passed away, my mama was already planning on giving me to my nanny, which is my dad's mother. And the reason why she was going to give me to her is because he was getting out of prison. And my mama was My mom was a gangster, cooking crack and selling this shit. People were fucked up in our house. You know what I'm saying? So she knew she was already fucking up and probably finna go to jail. And I was just bad. I was a badass little kid. I was in first grade not coming home until 10:00 at night already. I remember her crying, and she just be like, I can't take care of her, Ms. Irma. I don't know what to do with them, all this and that. And some of my people knew that was on my mother's side. They knew about this. And And they knew that she wanted to give me to Irma. They knew all this, and they knew that Sophie didn't want me to be with my mama's side because it really wasn't too much guidance. She knew that I would almost be fucked over there. Not saying that they don't love me because they definitely love me.

They just weren't heavy-hand on the rules and shit. How old were you at the time? When my mama passed? Yeah. I was eight. But I was already grown. You know what I'm saying? I was already grown. And So when I hear those people, Oh, yes, so it is and that, I'm like, Man, fuck you. You know what I'm saying? Because you all left my mama out there dry, for real. Everybody in my family left my mama dry like that. My mama She was close with Sabrina, my dear Sabrina. I know that for sure, but that's because we all live together. You know what I'm saying? I know my dear Sabrina and my cousin, Homer, too. My cousin, Homer was close with my mama. I never seen my mother respect any other woman except up for my nanny and maybe my stepmama. My mama used to take me to my stepmama. We would meet halfway, and my stepmama would take me to go see my dad in prison. And I used to be rapping through them through a glass on the phone. Really? Yeah. I used to be rapping on the radio, and he'd be like, Fuck that radio.

I want to hear what you got to say. I'd be doing my push-ups, my sit-ups. Dad, look at me. Check me out. I hit Jumper Jacks, all this and that. I'd knuckle him, and we were twisted. He would say, Lock it up. He'd get him dapping. He'd say, Lock it up. And I was just telling Fee, every time I go visit him, he would always ask for a Sprite and some Kit-Kats. I used to go to get the coins and take them to the guards. I'd be like, Man, that's all I got. But let me take my Daddy home. And he did a long time. He did about six years in there. He learned a lot. He tell me all the time that prison taught him how to be a political person and a politician.

How so?

Because you have to follow other rules in there now. Let's say me and you got problems. I got to go to whoever your leader is or somebody, what's going on in your situation and be like, Hey, but I can't just go over there because I'm going to start a race war or some shit. You know what I'm saying? Everything has a reaction, and you just got to have permission from your hires. I don't know too much about it because I ain't ever been in prison and things like that, boy. You know what I'm saying? I know a little bit from what just being around.

That's a crazy statement. When you're eight-year-old, you were grown.

Yeah, I was already grown. I looked at a picture. I've seen a picture of me holding this basketball when I was a kid, and I remember holding this basketball. It blew in the dark, and I remember playing with it. I remember being with it, holding it, and Just seeing it around the house. And I look at a picture of myself holding it, and I was like, damn. I looked like I was a child, not even a kid, like a baby still. And I was already feeling... I was already looking at my teachers like, Bitch, I don't know what fucking is, but I will fuck you. You know what I'm saying? For real. I was already growing. I was already watching Hustle & Flow, Scarface. Because my parents were still kids. You know what I'm saying? So I just got to be a kid with them.

How old was your mom when you were born?

I think she was 18. Wow.

Yeah, that's what happens.

I remember watching Scarface all the time with my mama, and every single time before she died, she'd be like, Tony, turn around. Tony, Really? It's going to change something. But yeah, I remember that was a movie that made her cry.

Really? Yeah. Wow. She was rooting for Scarface.

Yeah. She cried when Tony died. She was fucked up about that shit.

That's hilarious. She cried when Tony died.

I remember it was me, S. B, Quincy, and I feel like Romeo. Romeo was definitely there because he was living with us. Keelen might have been alive. Yeah, he was because Joseph was definitely alive. These are all my cousins. I never needed friends. Friends because I always had siblings, and I was the oldest of all of them. So like, man, I'm making a palate. I got all of us sleep in the living room together. And like I said, my parents were still kids, so they are doing kids stuff at the club, party, and then all this and that. So while they're doing that, I'm playing Scarface and all this other shit. But I remember we were sleeping in bed one time, and my mother comes in and she wake Espi up. Espi, we whipped those bitches ass, all this and that. We got them. We got them. My mama just got into a bar fight with somebody and came home, talking Yeah, we whipped them bitches ass. I remember smelling the cold night on her. Does that make sense? A cold night. It's cold at night and then you're inside and then somebody come in.

It's like you could feel the cold on them and smell it and shit. I don't know how to explain it. I just felt the cold come off of her body and I smelt her, and I always knew she was around because I heard high heels. When she would pick me up from daycare, I always knew it was my mama because she's the only one coming in high heels. You know? And she was just crazy. Her name was Sophia Goscla. Sophia Ann Goscla.

Wow. What a crazy way to grow up.

Yeah. I mean, a little bit. It's definitely worse. You know what I'm saying? It's not even crazy. It's just we was Just living. I remember I wasn't even sitting in car seats. My mother would be driving, holding my little baby brother, and I'd be standing in the passenger seat with my arm on the seat like this. Wow. Yeah. Just living. Just wild. Yeah.

That's a good way to develop a rapper.

Correct. My mama... So boys would come around and they'd be like, you know what I'm saying? My mama would always tell them, Sophie, my son going to be a rapper. They'd be, Sophie, all right, Sophie. You know what I'm saying? No, my son going to be a rapper. I was feeling every class in the first grade. And my tia Rosario told me this story. My tia Rosario was... She's not my tia, but we're very close, so they're family. You know what I'm That type of shit. She was actually in the car with my mother when she passed, and they were tight, man. She told me that I was feeling every class in the first grade, and all her and her friends were like, Sophie, he failing in the first grade? What the fuck going on? He spelling, Stop. She was like, Fuck that school. My son going to be a rapper. My dad would wake me up before school at four or five o'clock in the morning when I was in the seventh grade. And he'd wake me up. He'd be like, Son, you ready to whip ass? I got to get ready for school.

And he's like, Fuck school. You ready to get down there and whip ass? And he wasn't saying fuck school because he always pressed being good and getting knowledge. You know what I'm saying? But he knew I didn't give a fuck. He knew I was just saying that. In his mind, he was like, Motherfucker, you're going to get up and come down here and rap. Because he would party every night, and he had the shit that people wanted, and women wanted to be with them, and men wanted to be them. So every night after they get done partying, Monday through Sunday, he would always bring party back home, and he would have me a house full of women sitting on the fucking stairs lined up, one sitting on the refrigerator. I had a master of it. He was mixed with Prescanaria. I think I said that right. His name was Bronson, like Charles Bronson. He was brindle, and his eyes were orange, lit up, orange. Just a beast. And I could see the house, and we were living in the duplex, so then it looked like it's even more crowded. And my dad would play like a Geto Boy's Beat, which is five minutes fucking long, if you don't know.

So I'm about two, three minutes in, and he's like, The fuck you slowing down for? The beat ain't over? And I had to jump back on and not eat these grown-ass men alive. Alive.

And how were you writing your raps back then? Were you writing them in your head or were you writing them back?

No, everything was on a pad. I had everything in no books. I was supposed to be taking notes in school and I'm writing. I didn't do anything else except for write, draw, or read.

So from the beginning, that's what you wanted?

It's not what I wanted. It's what my mama wanted. I don't even think I I still know what I want to this day. Really? I think I just want to be okay. I don't even give a fuck about this money, the fame. I don't give a fuck about... I love the music because I'm blessed and I'm grateful for it. I cherish it because it's my living and I'm comfortable off of it. This is what my mama wanted. You know what I'm saying?

So to this day, you're not sure that that's what you wanted?

I don't think it is. I think what I want is just love. I missed out on a lot of love. I want a family. I just want to be okay. You know what I'm saying? I just want a simple life.

I think that happens for a lot of people when they get pushed into something at a really young age. You hear that with a lot of athletes, a lot of young fighters, a lot of young football players. They're just like, I never knew what I wanted to do. They told me what I wanted to do. And then here I am, successful. I guess this is all right, but am I even me? I'm a product.

Correct. I feel like I'm definitely me. But this was definitely for my mama.

Well, it worked out.

Yeah, definitely.

I'm not thinking how happy she would be right now.

Man, bro. And that's one thing I've always... I just want to see her jam my music because I remember being in the back seat watching her jam Ashanti and Ja'Ru. And I remember her body language. I remember seeing her move. I remember her beautiful smile when she would sing. And I'm like, damn, I wish I could see her sing my music. I know she would. And I ain't no bullshit. Everything I'm talking about is solid. So I know she would feel it even more like, damn, my son, gangster. That's awesome. Yeah, I know she would love it, bro.

Well, that's a beautiful thing, though. It's amazing. I mean, you think about How many people you touch and inspire and how many people love your music, how many people you excite. You excite people. Those songs come on, people get excited. She would be very happy of that.

Yeah, no, it's a blessing, man. And my father, he tells me all the time, Man, this shit started in the kitchen. Right before I walked onto the rodeo stage, he said, Son, you're still in the kitchen?

Wow.

And I was like, I know.

That's cool. You're in the kitchen, but now there's millions of people in it.

Yeah. Isn't that wild? Yeah, it's beautiful, man. How old are you? I just turned 25, February sixth.

Damn, you're just a baby.

Yeah.

Just a young man.

I'm trying. We getting...

That's amazing. When did things really start popping for you?

I don't know because I feel like every time I dropped something, I always had good motion. I dropped a music video called Playing C in 2018, 2019, which is a lot, but it's not a lot. And it hit like 30K and got stuck. Now it's at like 40K. It might be more now. I ain't checked in a while, But it was at 40K and got stuck, which is, like I said, a lot, but not a lot. But I'm from the country, and I'm just a kid in the country. It's last to hood. It wasn't no promo, no nothing. I just made a video and I'm doing music because my uncle's got a studio video in the house. So of course, I'm going to be doing music. I'm fucked up on drugs. I don't want no job. I don't want to be around nobody. I'm finna do this. And then one day, my cousin, he had a homeboy, and he heard the song. He was like, Bro, I want to jump on it. Let me jump on it. So I was like, Fuck it. Jump on it. And then he was like, Man, I got a homeboy.

I got a buddy. He'd be shooting videos. I was like, Shit, fuck it. What else is there to do? You know what I'm saying? And we shot the video. We're all doing it just for the fun of it. There's nothing else to do. And just dropped it, and it went good. Then I dropped another song called La Muerte, maybe about two years after that. And when I dropped La Muerte, that's when I was like, All right. I think it was 2021, maybe 2020. That's when I was like, Yeah, I could do something with this because I'm not rapping no more. I'm actually making songs. There's a difference between rapping and making music. I think when I wrote La Muerte, that's when I was like, yeah, I think I could do it. Wow.

Yeah. Look at you.

Yeah, exactly. La Muerte. That's right there. That's my grandma house and my grandpa house right in the back. That's out of country.

And how old are you in this?

When did this video drop? That was three years ago. Okay. No, I reposted it on there. So it's about five years ago. I was maybe like 20, right there. 20-sounds right.

So your whole life, you've been on this path.

Yeah, correct. And you want to know it's crazy? Some people that I talk to back then in the country, and they like, Bro, I've always looked at you as a rapper. Even kids in school, people at school that I talk to, Man, you just always had a rapper. I've always just looked at you as a rapper. You know what I'm saying? Even in kids at school like, Oh, yeah, he's a rapper. Bro, I was in Ms. Terry's class in eighth grade, and everybody's getting certificates in school. My buddy, Brent, he's most likely to go in the UFC, most likely to wear a red button up shirt, most likely. Everybody's getting this stuff, and Miles was most likely to be a rapper. So everything was just surrounded by it. You know what I'm saying? Correct. Yeah. I remember being at school, rapping at lunch, having the teachers and the kids surrounding me. The bells ringing, we're supposed to go to the next class, and we still going headstrong. Wow. I've always just had a crowd. I've always been a center of attention. I remember my nanny would take me to Palo Royal to go to school shopping when I was eighth grade, I mean, eight years old, nine years old, 10 years old, and I'm rapping to the people in Palo Royal.

You know? There was a car show. My mother had just passed. I was probably nine years old, and my cousin Daniel took me to this car show, Slim Thug, Zero, and Paul Wall, and them were on stage performing. And while they're on stage performing, the car show has gone over here, and then they got a bunch of vendors in their pop-ups. And this one dude has a microphone at his pop-up, and he's trying to sell shit. All this and that. Yeah, and I ended up grabbing his mic, and I started rapping to Zero and then performing live on stage. I don't even think they know this, though. I've never even told them that shit. And But yeah, bro, I was rapping to Paul Wall, Slim Thug, and Zero on stage live while I was probably nine years old. I'm seeing all these women, you know what I'm saying, wearing booty shorts and these crop tops. And I'm seeing all these dudes, and they just look clean with the Jayz. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, damn, I'm in here. You know what I'm saying? At nine. Yeah, that shit was cool.

What were your first influences musically?

Definitely whatever my mama was jamming, she was jamming at Ashanti and Ja-Ruel. My dad was jamming everything. My dad was jamming fucking All Spring, fucking Tool. He was jamming Three Day Grace, fucking all that shit. You know what I'm saying? Oh, it just makes it up. Yeah. And And then my mama's side of the family, they all gangsters and Chola, so it was like gangsta rap music and then some Latino music. And then my dad's side of the family, they're all cowboys, so I'm jamming country and shit like that. Then I go with my dad and he's jamming rock and all this extra shit. Then once I got older and started discovering music on my own, you know what I'm saying? I've already liked rock and rap to Latino music to country. So how farther can I go with this? And now my taste in music is just all I'll jam music. I don't even know the language to, but if I feel it, I feel it.

I feel it.

I think that's why it's easy for me to just jump in any genre and dominate because I can feel it and put me in it.

You don't have a restriction in your head of what you can do. Correct. Yeah. Well, that's Cowboy killer. Correct. I think that's one of the reasons why I resonate with so many people because it's just it's fun and it's like, What is this guy doing here, man?

But it don't sound forced either.

It also doesn't sound like anybody else. You don't sound like anybody else. I play that and people go, Who the fuck is that? They get interested. This is different. Thank you. It's beautiful when something comes along that just resonates like that. There's so many influences out there. So when someone comes along, you're like, Wow, that's a different vibe.

Stevie was definitely my influence for music like Cowboy Killer. Yeah? Yes. Stevie Ray Vawn, he was a white boy. After every show, he'd be like, Mucho gracias, and walk off. Yeah? Yeah. My grandpa, he said he used to be on acid at his shows in Austin all the time.

He performed at my club. We have a photo of him on stage in my club from 1983. Are you shitting me? Yeah.

Holy fuck, that's sick. When you walk towards the club, when you're downstairs and you're walking towards the stage, there's a photo on the side of the wall.

There's two of them of Steve Rayvon on stage at the theater.

You're a bad motherfucker, Joe.

We got lucky with that. We got lucky with that. I didn't even know the history of the place until I bought it. What was it? At one point in time, it was the Alamo. It's the Ritz Theater on sixth Street. So at one point in time, it was the Alamo Draft House. There it is. That's the photo we have.

Wow.

It was a rock and roll club. It was a punk rock club. It was a nudy movie theater. It was a pool hall.

Wow. So it's already been known for just being the spot.

Yeah, that's it right there. So it was always a cool spot. That's sick. And now it's my Comedy Club. That's sick. But there's certain old places where you walk in them and you can feel the memories and the walls. I think buildings have memory. I think that's why people don't want to buy a house where someone was murdered in. Yeah, I think buildings have energy. I think things have memory. I really do. There's a guy named Rupert Sheldrake. I forget what his discipline is. I think he's an evolutionary biologist or something like that. I forget what he does. But anyway, he's got this theory about memory and that we have this idea that we are the only things that have memory. But he thinks that everything has memory, that all things are. Do you agree. Yeah. He's a psychology researcher. He proposes a concept of morphic resonance, a conjecture that lacks mainstream excited. He gets criticized as being a loon, but he's got some really fucking interesting ideas, and he's a brilliant guy. He just thinks outside the box. And one of the things that he thinks is that everything has some a memory to it.

He's not the only one that thinks that.

I want to understand him. This table is going to...

It can't tell you things. Of course. But this table is different because all the people that have been in this room talking. Correct. And I think there's something real to that.

Yeah. So when I say I agree, I say I feel like I agree because words are powerful. Like maybe the word-Experiences are powerful. Yeah. There you go.

Yeah. Everything is powerful. Like words facilitate experiences, right? You go on stage and you're killing it, and everybody in the audience is jamming out. That's an experience. And then, will they go back to that place? Maybe they'll go back and it'll be empty someday. I saw that Mexican OT here, right here. I was standing right here and you feel it. I think that's why when you go by your old high school, you go by your old high school, you feel like a loser again. You feel like... It makes me feel like I felt when I was 16. It's something about that. I know that's a psychological connection that you have, but I also think that high school has got the memories of a bunch of confused, fucked up kids that didn't know what to do with their life. And they were buck wild and yelling and screaming and school fights and all the chaos. I think it's burned into the walls. I really believe Yeah, I can agree with that.

That sounds crazy. I've never heard it, but I actually love that.

I think that's what haunted houses are. What? Yeah. I think ghosts are real. But I think what a ghost is, is if someone It's brutally murdered in a building. Imagine if there's a house and some husband comes home and brutally murders his wife. Nobody wants to buy a fucking house. Correct. Nobody wants to buy that house. He stabbed her 100 times in the kitchen. Nobody wants that house. You got to level house to the ground, and still people don't want that land. It's just too fucked up. I think when something truly horrific happens, the experience is so intense and extreme that that energy creates a void. You feel that void when you're there. I think if you're in the right state of mind and you're in a house where someone fell down a flight of stairs, snapped their neck and was in horror, you would feel it. Yeah, I do agree.

You would feel it.

And you might feel them. Their experience might be recorded in a way where it has a little flashback. And you just hear someone saying, help, real softly. You're like, what the fuck is going on? You turn the lights on, no one's there.

Fuck all that, man. I do agree, though. I've always believed in God and things like that because I grew up non-denomination. My nanny always prayed and things like that. But what made me full on believe it in spirits and knowing that it's here was I seen bad first. And I was like, well, fucking yin and yang. Yes or no, on and off. If there's bad, there's got to be good. After that, that's when I've been full on, prayed up and full on, been trying to get better with the message because I want to be ready. We got to be ready for that talk. But yeah, it gets wicked, though, definitely.

This is the thing that makes me uncomfortable as I get older is I realize that there probably has to be evil in order good to exist. With human beings, there's some very weird balance, very weird balance of good and evil. And it's just like you don't appreciate sunshine unless it rains. You live in LA, you're always used to the sun. Sun's bullshit. Nobody gives a fuck about that sun. But, man, you live in Portland. The day it's sunny out, you're like, Oh, you're out in the park with a coffee. Oh, this is beautiful. Feel that sun.

It feels so good.

I think we need need a balance. And unfortunately, one of the things that creates more good is evil because someone has to combat that evil. And the way you combat that evil is become a better person, become great, become something special.

I like it.

I think that's real. And it's like there's so much evidence of it. If you look at human beings, there's never been a time where there haven't been evil people.

Not correct.

There's not like one society where everybody figured it out and everybody was cool. Yeah, correct. And if they are, it lasts a couple of years and then it falls apart.

I think... What? I do want to tell you this, though, before I forget. The wolves you got out there, have you ever seen the movie Creep?

Creep?

Yeah, it's a fucking scary-ass movie.

When was that movie from? How long ago?

I don't know. Maybe like 2017, 2016 maybe.

I don't think I saw it.

Yeah, I would highly advise it. It reminds me of Peach Fuzz. Peach Fuzz? You just got to watch it. I wouldn't even want to ruin it for you. I don't know if you like movies or not, but, bro, it's an amazing movie.

That wolf out there, that's from the American Werewolf in London.

Okay, shit. You ever see that movie? No, I haven't.

Look at this thing.

Yes, Peach Fuzz. Holy fuck.

That's hilarious.

Bro, please watch it.

So that guy's the villain? So he's a bad guy with a wolf mask on?

Yeah, but you just got to watch it.

Okay.

He's thrown off, man.

He drives around like that?

You got to watch it, bro.

Okay. Oh, they're doing a creep, too. Yeah, they did. They did creep 2? Yeah, they did do a creep 2. Creep 1 was 2014, creep 2, 2017. There you go. Underrated horror movie.

So creep 2 is all right. You know what I'm saying? It's like grease. It should just left it alone with the first one.

But... Kind of like Rambo.

Correct. But... It was a Rambo, too?

There's like three or four Rambos. How many Rambos have there been? I think there's even a new one coming out. Apparently, the last one is hilarious. Really? Yeah. My friend Joey Diaz saw the last one. He said, Dude, it's a comedy. You got to watch this. Celeste Jalon is 80 years old. He's killing everybody.

He's fucking everybody up and shooting everybody.

He kills 150 people. Apparently, it's ridiculous.

You ever seen Badass with Machete?

Badass.

Yeah. He's like the grandpa, and he got caught whooping these dudes on camera, and he went viral for it. Then he becomes a hometown hero.

When was that movie?

Damn. 2012? 2012. I don't think I saw that either. I ain't going to lie, I've seen a lot of movies. When you're on the Yeah, that's what I was doing. I'm watching. My mama had like... So we had the TV, and then there was a big ass entertainment center surrounding it, and it was just filled with movies, DVDs, VHS. It's down here in the middle. I remember watching Monkey Bone on VHS This.

Oh, wow.

That's an old one. Yeah, I've been trying to shoot a video like that. I like Monkey Bone, Whoopy Goldbergs in it and all that. Yeah. Land of the Nightmars.

It's funny how Scarface became the gangster movie. Movie, the gangster movie. Everybody knew all the words to Scarface.

You know what I think is the most gangsterish movie ever? What? Apocalypse.

Oh, that's a good one. Bro. That's a good one.

My favorite part is when he escapes him and he gets back in his jungle and he's like, This is my jungle. And then they start getting knocked off one by one. That shit's wicked, man. I like that shit. That's a wicked movie, man.

That's a wicked movie.

I like that one.

And that was back when Mel Gibson. Everybody's like, Mel Gibson's fucking crazy.

Really? They thought of him like that?

Yeah, he got pulled over. He was drunk and said a bunch of wild shit about Jews. The cops had it recorded. Damn. Yeah. And Mel is- What's up?

I feel like lately I've been hearing everybody talk shit about Jews.

It's popular these days. It's popular these days. It's because of what's going on in Gaza. Oh, yeah. It's the Palestinian Israeli conflict.

Oh, yes, bro. I ain't going to lie. I know she scared the fuck out of him.

I heard this movie recently described as just like it's a nonstop chase, which it is. Kind of is, but it's fucking good.

What is a nonstop chase?

Like the whole movie is a chase scene. Yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Sometimes it's just a scene in a movie, but it's like the whole movie. It was a brutal fucking movie, too. You know what's good? Have you seen Shogun? That series, it's on FX?

I can't get into series.

Oh, man.

Yeah, it's good. This one's good. Wow.

This one's good. This is on Japan in the 1600s, and these dudes are starving at sea, and their boat washes ashore. In Japan, they get captured, and they kill a couple of them, and this one dude... I don't want to spoil it for you, but it's just showing you the reality. It's very well done. The reality of life in Japan, in Osaka, in 1600. It's a fucking incredible, incredible series. It's so well done. This is it right here. Yeah, they did it in- Shogun.

I feel like I've seen commercials Yeah, it's new.

It's still airing. I think they've only heard three episodes so far, maybe four by now.

Okay, so you're into this. How did you feel about It Man?

I didn't watch It Man. I knew the history of Yip Man, which I think it's based on, who's Bruce Lee's Wingchung instructor. But I don't get into those movies that much, those kung fu movies, because too much of my analytical brain for fighting is like, Why are you fighting like this? Just grab that dude. Kick his legs out from under him. Take him down. Strangle him. This is stupid. Why are you guys standing here in front of each other doing this shit?

Yeah, I dig it. It just looked cool. My dad always called it pretty fighting.

Yeah. I could never get into kung fu movies. A lot of my friends were in the kung fu movies. I'd go, but I didn't get into them. The scary Movies.

How do you feel about scary Movies? I love Scary Movies. That's where I'm at. Bro, it's almost like weed ain't enough anymore. I need meth. You know what I'm saying? Wow. Yeah. Because, bro, I was already watching Scary Movies with my That was her favorite. So now I don't even want a scary movie. I want something that's disturbing.

What is that one movie where that dude wears a clown face and kills everybody?

Bro, you got to watch creep. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Creep's a good one.

But this one's like that, too. I will watch creep for sure. It's like real gruesome, horrible shit. The dude dresses like a clown. They made a couple of them.

Terrifier. Terrifier. That's my dad's favorite. That's crazy. My dad wants him tatted on him. His name is Art the Clown.

Your dad wants him tatted on him. That's amazing. Pull a video, pull a clip up of terrifier. This motherfucker is legitimately terrifying, too.

Yes. And he just be smiling.

Yeah.

You've seen how he fucking cut homegirl from the puss down. Yeah, not nice.

Really not a nice thing to do.

Look at them teeth.

It's funny how people disrespect him. They think he's funny. They think he's silly. Like, Look at you, you fucking loser.

Yeah, that's really what it is.

Yeah. They always have to disrespect him first. And then they're like, Get away, you fucking stupid clown. He's in that 16-year-old feeling comes back. Yeah, they're just chopping him up. He was like, Are you finna die, bitch? It makes Pennywise look like Crusty. Yeah.

Oh, man. Oh, shit.

It's a crazy movie, man.

Rob zombie was also noddily, too. Oh, yeah. I was a big fan of his work.

He's a cool dude. I got to meet him. What? Yeah. I did a podcast with him back in the day.

Sick. How was he? He's great.

Great. I believe it. It's so interesting that that guy got really into making horror movies, too. Yeah. And he does those same movies. Like really fucked up- I feel like he had the best Halloween, too. Yeah, he had a really good Halloween. For sure. How many of those have there been?

Too many. There's been so many of those movies. Yeah, I feel like a lot of the scary Movies now are a little lame just because they just make them complete fucking studs. It's more of like an action movie for the scary killer. He just comes in and just fucking fuck shit up, goes apeshit. Like, bro, I want to be scared. I don't want to see him fucking take on a whole army. You know what I'm saying? It's an action movie.

I prefer action movies. A good one. Really? Yeah, a good action movie.

What's a good action movie?

Well, a stupid good action movie. It's good, but it's not realistic is John Wick.

That's a great one. You need to watch Avengement.

Yeah, What's Avengement? What's Avengement?

I personally, I always say that he... I'm not going to say he'd whip John Wick, but he'd put John Wick in a fight. Really? For sure.

Have you seen Sisu?

Sisu? No, I haven't.

Sisu is about a dude in World War II that's basically a John Wick in World War II. He kills like 100 Nazis by himself. It's fucking amazing. That's it. It's amazing.

Yeah, it sounds sick.

It's a real good movie, too. It's real well done. Sisu? Sisu. What country? I think so. Yeah, I think you're right.

Yeah, no, fucking Avengement. I forgot what his name was, but he was a fighter and his brother was doing some gangster shit. He ended up going down for his brother and fucking... Yeah, right here. He's in UK.

Avengement.

The prison that he's in is so... They call it the meat grinder. Yo, I'm talking about just fucking shit up, bro. Jesus. Hit him with a napalm. He's like, Yeah, bro. He was like, You just got to callous the mind and callous... Like, bro, he was like, Man, he's a badass. Look at him. Then that's when he escapes prison. And you know what's my favorite part about him? What? His heart. Why he does everything that he does in this movie. Why is that? You just got to watch it.

I always feel like I'm being conned When a movie does that, when there's a hitman with a heart of gold, I'm like, Shut the fuck up. Just shut the fuck up. I know what you're doing, bitch. I'm not 12.

Yeah, of course. He definitely was doing it to be a savage, but you might as well as end on some good shit.

Yeah, but you know He's always the guy who's the contract killer, but he has rules. The person has to be guilty. He has a whole thing.

Yeah, for sure.

That's the gray man.

The outfit. Have you seen the outfit? That's another good one. My dad just put me on that one. It's like some old-school gangster time where they wear suits and shit, mobsters more. I think that's more gangsta than me. I've always been into the mobs more than some gangbangers.

Yeah?

For sure. It's just player to me. Old-school mob movies. Yeah, correct. Like the Godfather and all that. Even the Goodfellers and things like that. It's just player to me. You know what I'm saying?

Well, there's something about it. That lifestyle is so appealing to some people that feel like their life is mundane and boring. That's why the Sopranos were so good. Tony Soprano was a straight-up murderer, and he was the hero.

It was straight-up murderer. Yeah, for sure.

He killed Christopher Maltesanti in his fucking Cadillac Escalade seat.

Jesus.

He just killed him right next to him. He was a killer, but you liked him.

Yeah.

He was a liar, a killer, a thief.

Who were the two brothers? The two brothers, I think it was based on a true story, too. They were from Germany or something. The Craze? Was that it? England. England. Holy shit. The Kreez, bro. Just from the actors in the movie, they looked like brutes.

They were brutes. Yeah, I believe it. Bro, England didn't play. Bro, that's what I'm saying. People think about England like fish and chips and fucking tea. Cheerio.

Yeah, there's hood everywhere, bro. It fucked me up when I saw there was hood outside of Bay City because I thought Bay City was the only hood in the whole world.

The cratrons were running.

Look at those two, bro.

Are they from Liverpool? What part of England would they fuck?

They look like they'll smack the shit out of you.

Yeah, they'll fucking stab you right in the dick.

Where's my crumpet?

Where are these guys from? Where are they from?

They look like... They just look like...

Hagerston. Yeah, mostly in the East end of London from the late '50s until their arrest in 1968. Damn, so they ran shit for 18 years.

That's a good run. Yeah.

The movie's crazy, too. The movie, apparently, is not too... They didn't take any... Yeah, they didn't take any liberties. It's basically the story, I believe. That's it. Yeah. Again, it's weird. We like movies about bad people. There's something about that. Strange.

Yeah, because- Sicario. I don't think I know that one.

Oh, you never saw Sicario? Mm-mm. Dude, That's a great fucking movie.

Put me on. Show me real quick.

That's Benicio Del Toro, man. That's a great fucking movie. Sicario was all about Mexican assassins.

Wow.

Yeah, dude.

Sicario.

Emily Blunt, Benicio Del Toro. It's a good fucking movie. And Taylor Sheridan did it, the guy who did Yellowstone.

You know Ryan Bingham? I fucking met him at the rodeo. He fucks with me. Oh, really?

Everybody fucks with you, dude, once they hear you. Yeah, right. This is a good fucking movie, man. It's heavy.

No, that shit looks gnarly. Yeah, it's a heavy movie. Yeah. Did you see the last purge? It made me think of the last purge.

No, I don't like those purge movies.

No? How come why?

Because I get prepared. When I see purge movies, I start fucking loading magazines.

I feel like we're close to it.

We could be close to it. I never felt that until the George Floyd riots. Really? Yeah, the George Floyd riots. Here's the thing about riots. This is my feeling. Okay. I support your right to protest, but I'm not going to one of those. You know why? Because I think protests are a lot like war. I think there's a mode inside the human brain. Let me explain to you. You ever catch a fish? You catch a fish, the moment that fish is on the your whole body gets excited. Oh, shit.

Oh, shit.

That is an ancient thing that is in us because it used to be that was survival. If you caught that fish, your family was going to have food. That's why you get so excited. I think when people are on the ground marching and they're all together and they're all chanting, that brings war. It excites that feeling just the way catching a fish excites that feeling. I think it excites that feeling of war. When you're like, No more Trump. No more Trump.

Whatever the fuck it is. Next thing you know is fucking. Black Lives Matter.

Whatever it is. You're looking for someone to say it doesn't matter. You're looking for someone. It's not just a protest. You are stimulating those thoughts of war. You're marching on the ground with your fellow soldiers. They even call it to the Comrade. There's a lot of wild shit that's involved in protest that excites people in a very dangerous way.

Yeah, no. Yeah, definitely. I agree.

Mob mentality. That's what mob mentality is. People always talk about mob mentality. If there's something happens, there's a mob of people, people will do wild shit that they will never do normally because that excites the war gene. There's a war gene inside of us because every human being has survived war. If you're alive today, that means your genetics survive war. That means somewhere down the line, whether it's bows and arrows or rifles or whatever, If you got to 2024, if your genes got to 2024, for sure, there's some war in those jeans.

Damn. What the fuck? Damn.

That's why I will not go to protest. You see, if there's a protest, I'm getting the fuck out of there.

Yeah, it's going to get wicked.

Because it could get wicked. It might not.

I never thought of how you said that. That's crazy. I like that.

It's war. It's wars inside of us. And your body knows when you go to war, you have to switch gears. You have to switch gears, and that's where mom... That's where you beat someone to death with a rock in front of everybody. You would never do that. It was just you and that person. There's something about that experience of being around a lot of people that are all being hostile and all excited together that just fires up parts of people. And also you feel like a badass because you're a part of a gang.

Yeah, I think it's comfort in knowing that there's a bunch of you, knowing you can't lose.

Which is also like war.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Damn. Fuck, dude. I just want to love Yeah.

Well, that's a better way to live, for sure. But you also have a lot now. That's the thing. Once you have a lot, you're like, You know what? I just want to love. But when you don't have a lot, and you're like, All these motherfuckers have a lot now.

It's hard to love, yeah.

It's hard. It's hard to be comfortable.

I do definitely agree because I feel like it was harder to be... I feel like then, before I was chilling and blessed, man, my anger was so horrible. I remember I'd get done being angry, and when I would be done, I'd be like, I just want to sleep. Just work so loud. Don't even talk. Yeah, fuck. I just want to sleep. I would feel like I got jumped. I just strained my body. You know what I'm saying? Just being angry.

And for no reason?

Fuck. Bro, for the simplest shit, bro, anything. Like, the wind blew the wrong way, and I'd be like, Fuck. You know what I'm saying? I don't know what it was.

It's probably pent-up childhood shit.

I feel like it definitely was. But like you said, it's easier to love when you have a lot of it.

Yeah. When things are going great for you, easier to love. It's easier to also recognize you want to... You've experienced bad, and now you're experiencing all this good, and you want to keep that rolling.

Yeah, correct. It makes you want to do good, or at least me personally, because I know you do good. Because energy is real. I don't want to say karma or nothing, but like, man, you be a whole ass motherfucker, some whole ass shit is eventually going to catch up to you.

That's a great way to put it. So once you put that on a T-shirt.

I'm telling you, bro, but you do good. Man, I just like, bro, relationships is everything, too. You know what I'm saying? Because I don't know how to do it, man. Homeboy right here, I'm finna make him my best friend. He going to do it for me.

Yeah, relationships are very, very important. People that don't have friends are lost. Lost. The idea that you could be the only one person having fun, that's not real. You can't have fun unless your friends are having fun. If you're doing great in your life and all your friends are suicidal and depressed, that's not a good time, man.

You got to go out to dinner. And if you're good with it and they still depressed and shit, you're thrown off. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Like My boys like, man, I've never, ever, ever flew first class, ever. And my boy Boomhower, I started bringing him with me, and I fucking started booking first class because I want him to experience that shit. What make me happy is seeing my people happy, and I did it. You know what I'm saying? We'd be out there chilling and shit like that, and I'll do all this and I'll cater everybody. And then finally, I just sit back, like my joint up, and I just look. And I see my partner over there laughing. I see Cudz right here with some drinks, and he laughing. You know what I'm saying? And we just chilling. I'm like, damn, I did that. Yeah, that's a good experience.

I did that.

The problem with rappers has- I do shit for people that I know would never do shit for me. But I do it because like, man, that's just who I am.

Because it feels good to do that. That's a great sign of your character that you experience that while you're having success, that you want to do good for other people and make other people feel good. That's a great sign. It make me feel good. Well, you're a wise Man, that's a great sign of your character. Because a lot of people, when they start doing good, they start going, I'm the fucking man. Yeah, I'm the fucking man.

Now, you started off as a nobody homeboy. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Everybody's a nobody. You know what I'm saying? You just happen to be good at that. You know what I'm saying? I just happen to be good at rapping. You know what I'm saying? This shit don't make my dick bigger. You know what I'm saying? In real life. Imagine if it did? Yeah, that'd be bad, though. You know what I'm saying?

Nas would have the biggest dick on Earth. Really? Rewind.

Rewind, yes. Because it's hard telling a story. It's hard telling a story and rhyming. It's hard telling a story, rhyming and telling the story backwards.

It's a master class. Get the fuck out of here, bro. Masterclass in writing. He's an animal, bro. I was just listening to Rewind yesterday, and I was thinking that exact same thing. How good is that?

How good is that, bro?

The smoke goes back in the blunt. Yeah. Bullet goes back in the gun. It's an amazing rap. Don't please.

Yeah.

It's so good.

It's so well written. It makes sense. It It flows. You know what I'm saying?

He's the best writer. You think so? He's the best writer. He's the best writer. His lyrics are so goddamn good. He's the goat. But you know who's super underrated if people don't give him his props? It's Willy D from the Getto Boys.

Willy D. And he was knocking motherfuckers out.

Knocking motherfuckers out. He's a legit boxer. Willy D is a real boxer. He showed me a video of one of his fights, and we were watching on his phone.

I was like, Dude, I'm like, This is good.

You got skills. If you told me this is like a middle No Way contender who's coming up, I'd be like, Oh, that guy's good.

No shit. He's good.

Billy can knock people the fuck out. But Billy wrote Fuck a War in 45 minutes. You ever heard Fuck a War? Mm-mm. All right, listen. Sorry, YouTube. We're going to have to edit. I need to play this for him. Let's do it. With YouTube, we'll cut this out. Can we cut this out? Yeah. And we'll come back. We'll come back for the Spotify people. You could... Whatever. We'll figure it out. But we'll cut this out. Listen to this.

Yeah, I agree, though.

Yeah, I agree with that, too. But Willy tells stories. There's a lot going on in his writing. Yeah, correct. That's what I love about '90s hip hop. The lyrics of '90s hip hop. They were saying shit. Oh, yeah, man. I grew up on '90s hip hop. When I lived in New York, all I did was play pool. Play pool and do comedy. When I was playing pool, that was the '90s hip hop era. People were listening to Cool G DJ Polo. It was a different time, man.

I think, to me, M was the best. M and Big L when it came to those storytellers.

People forgot about Big L, man.

Bro, Big L is one of the reasons why I'm an animal today. Really? I'm Mexican with no green card showed me who Big L was. Really? Yeah. My partner, Ferman. Wow.

I found out about Big L because I was a gangsta fan. In the beginning of the full clip, it says Big L, rest in peace. It goes into that, and I was like, Who's Big L?

Oh, and that's when you had a loophole from that.

I found out Big L, and Big L had been murdered. I'm like, Oh, shit.

I think I was in the seventh grade when I found out about him, eighth grade.

Yeah, there's so many hip hop artists, but Cool G rap is one that I bring up all the time because people forgot about him.

Tech9, too. Tech9. Tech9 is another band. I remember I was jamming Tech9, Yellow Wolf, and all these dudes. I was jamming Worldwide Choppers, and people would be like, Turn this shit off. What the fuck? I'd be like, Bitch, you all are tripping. You know what I'm saying? But their minds weren't there. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They was on that, I think, Mumbla Rapper's Belly coming out. You know what I'm saying? The drugged up SoundCloud Rapper was here. So all that shit was out the window to them.

Well, people forgot about some of the great Mexican hip hop, too. Like Kid Frost.

Kit Frost was cool. I don't know if you know Lil Bing and Big Flake.

No, I don't.

Yeah, those are some Texas Mexicans. They was really the shit. And my uncles, too. My uncles was like, they was SPM to me. They was hard. So even just having my uncles, them being my Mexican mentors, you know what I'm saying? They was ripping shit, real life. Nice. Ripping shit up.

If you wanted to develop a rapper, you was-The perfect story for it. It was like you got your PhD in the streets.

Bro, that's what I'm saying. Even my dad, he put me through gladiator school with that shit. You know what I'm saying? I remember being like, Dad, I don't want to rap because everybody was trying to be a rapper. Dad, I don't want to be a rapper no more. He'd be like, Shut the fuck up. Get on this beat. For real. You know what I'm saying? He would have me rap not because he wanted me to be better, not because he wanted me to push me. He was being selfish. It was his entertainment.

Yeah, but also he probably knew that that's the only way to really develop a man correctly.

Correct. But I don't think that was on his mind. No? I think he was like, strict. Have you talked to him about this? I hear him talk about it. You know what I'm saying? And he would just be fucked up. Like, get down here. I want to hear you. Because he's been hearing me since forever. Since I was rapping through a window.

Well, there is a lot of that with parents of athletes. They couldn't make it in the sport, but then they're super involved parents, and they forced their kid to train and go to camps.

But nobody in my family did music.

No one? No one. Really? So it was just your dad just loved it and he wanted you to do it?

My mama loved it. You know what I'm saying? And then my dad was just a fan of it. Wow.

Well, that's fucking dope. Having your dad be a fan of your shit.

Yeah, that's also another thing that I was super grateful for because there was a lot of kids that I was growing up with and their parents drilled them to be something else. Exactly what you were saying. Man, fuck all that. Even my stepmama, she wanted me to go, Bro, I took the ASVAB five times and failed every time. I even cheated and still failed. You know what I'm saying? Real life. I got the ASVAB for dummies, ripped those out of the fucking page, put them in my pants, went in there, trying to look for answers, still failed. It just wasn't for me. And my My grandpa, Skip, he was like, Virgil. He was like, he said, Do what the fuck Virgil wants to do. He said, But whatever it is, just make sure you fucking do it. So if you want to be a rapper, you can be a rapper, but make sure you fucking do it. And now he's like, You know what I'm saying? You're going to have to have a job. You're going to want a phone. Now you got a phone bill. You're going to want a car to move around to go to these shows.

You're going to have the fucking card notes and all this extra shit. And he just giving me a game on it. His story, his main thing to get to me was just do it, though.

Fucking do it. Just do it.

Do whatever you want to do. Just do it.

But that's a big thing in life is just doing things.

So many people just-The hardest part is showing up. Yes.

Always. Still, to this day. To this day, the hardest part, going to the gym is actually deciding you're going to go, getting in there. And then once you get going, it's pretty easy.

It's like, Fuck, I'm here.

Even when it's hard, it's like, I know what I'm doing. I've done this forever. You get accustomed to doing it. Then if you're like, that's where your dad really serves you well because he made you do it. Even if it was for his entertainment, damn, you got something out of that. Think about all those reps you put in. All those times you were rapping from the time you were a little kid, all those reps, just constant reps.

Now it's muscle memory at this point. Exactly.

It's a part of you. It's like you could wake you up at three o'clock in the morning and say, Start rapping. Yeah, correct. And you fire right up.

Correct.

Yeah, it becomes a part of you. And that only happens through repetition. You got to get those reps in.

Yeah, correct.

It's no other way around. There's no shortcuts. There's no easy road. When you meet a dude and he's a bad motherfucker and he's 24 or 25, you go, How long have you been doing this?

I was a little kid. Yeah. That's what I try to tell people. I try to compare. There's some people, as soon as they were walking, they were in karate. As soon as I was talking, I was rapping. Music is what taught me. It didn't teach me English and how to talk, but it taught me how to put shit together, really. You know what I'm saying? Does that make sense?

It does make sense because you're formulating raps. You're not just talking to your friends. You're formulating shit that's going to be entertaining. So it's exciting that creative part of your mind. And again, you're developing that way. Yes. And you're developing that way with the Internet. Correct. So you have the influence of all these rappers. You could get anybody who ever lived. You can listen to 100 Miles In Running. You can listen to M&M shit. You You can listen to Snoop Dogg shit. You can listen to anything anytime you want. It's a magical time for someone to be inspired and influenced.

Correct. I agree. Damn, that's beautiful, especially MTV Music Videos. I don't know if you remember that. Yes, I remember those. So my nanny, she was working at the plant. So like three, four o'clock in the morning, we're up. She's taking me to the babysitter's. I'm putting MTV on because I want to watch some shit. Music videos start playing. I remember watching the the Black Keys, and they had that tighten up Yes. I remember being a kid watching that. I wanted to do music like that.

Bro, those guys are the coolest.

I've never met them, but they seem. How long are you here for? I got to be in South Padre tomorrow, and then California for Rolling Loud. I'll be back on the 18th.

Tomorrow, I'm going to see the Black keys at Stubbs in town.

Are you shitting me?

Bro, I took them to the club Tuesday night. They came, they did the podcast. We hung out. I got a little too high. I was barbecued. But it was just a little... I just love them so much. They're so cool. And Patrick is hilarious. I believe it. That dude is funny like a comedian.

Yeah, no shit.

He's funny. I told him, I go, Don, I don't want to fuck up your life, man, but you could do comedy. Because there's dudes you meet that could do... I used to work for this dude who's a private investigator.

I feel like being funny, though, in a comedian is different.

It's only a little different. It's next door neighbors. You just got to figure out how to go over.

Yeah, but it's a skill.

You learn how to do it. It's going to take time, but you can do it.

I believe it.

It's like a podcast. I tell everyone, if you are an interesting person to talk to, you could have a podcast. But you got to learn how to do it. You got to learn how to not interrupt people. You got to learn how to bring the most out of them. You got to learn the flow of the conversation. It seems like it's just talking because it is just talking, but it's an art form. Being funny, if you're funny with your friends, you can do it. You just have to figure out how to do it.

Yeah. And Yeah, I definitely agree. But to me, I feel like it would be hard just because my mind's already so everywhere. I suck at focusing.

Yeah, but you focus when you rap.

Oh, that's it.

But that's it. But that's all you need, a thing that you know you could do that now.

Yeah.

Bro, as good as you are, you could do anything you wanted. You could do anything. If you decided to stop rapping and you got super excited about making cars, you'd make the dopest cars. It's just the thing that a person... It's Miomotu Musashi, who's a Samurai in the 1400s. He wrote this book called The Book of Five Rings. It's about strategy. Miomotu Musashi killed 60 men in one-on-one combat. Jesus. A legendary Samurai. I have him tattooed on my arm. My whole right sleeve is Miomotu Musashi. That's it. Because he said this one thing, and I read this when I was 16 years old. Once you know the way broadly, you can see it in all things.

Once you know the way broadly, you can see it in all things.

Once you become a master at something. You can see what it takes to be a master in all things.

That's one of the reasons why I enjoy music so much.

This guy I have no musical ability at all. I have nothing. I have no talent. I've never tried. So I see people do music. I'm like, Yeah, just make it magic. Look at this magic experience. This dude's up there just singing and dancing and playing music, and my whole body's excited. It's like I'm on a drug.

I'm like, Wow, this is amazing.

It's magic. I love it. It's But it's something about it, man. It's like when you see people at the top of their game with anything, it's so exciting.

Yeah, not correct.

That's what it is. The way you do that with rap, bro, you would just have to have a thing that you love the way you love rapping. If there was a thing that came along and you loved that thing as much as you... What is it? Painting? Whatever the fuck it is. I dominate. You would dominate. Yeah, I agree. You would dominate. I agree. Because you would have the same focus and energy that you have with your music that you would have with that.

Yeah, that's why I'm grateful for the music, man, because that other shit, I feel like I just always suck at. I have zero patience. I suck at talking to people. I don't want to talk to a lot of people. You know what I'm saying?

But you're good talking right now.

Yeah, because I want to talk to you. Yeah, but that's what it is.

That's the secret to this podcast. I only talk to people I want to talk to. Correct. I reached out to you. I was like, This dude, he's cool as fuck. I want to talk to him.

I thank you, man.

But that's how I do the show. I just only find people like, What's the black keys. I can't wait to talk to them. I would talk to them at a diner. I talk to them anywhere. We just go to the park and talk. Okay, I want to talk to you. I love talking to interesting people because I think it changes the way you see the world. You see the world through their eyes. I feel like you get a little something out of a person every time you sit and talk to them.

You ever met somebody and you were like, Man, you throw it off, but I almost get it.

Yeah, a lot of people like that. Comedians, man. Comedians, almost all of them are off in some way. To want to be standing on stage and make people laugh, tell stories. That's hard to do, man.

No, yeah, bro, definitely.

To want to do that, you're a weirdo.

Then being able to go from a story to another one and then bring it right back in where you're being. You know what I'm saying? You're a bad motherfucker, bro.

It takes a lot of work. But it's just like rap or like anything else. It's just time and reps and you're trying to make it better. Correct. Looking at it all the time, fucking with it, twisting it around, changing it, adding to it, taking away, editing it. It's But that's a thing like all things. Like all things. When you really put your mind and your soul to it, all things, just you find where the best version of it is.

What genre of music was the first thing you heard and you were like, This is the music I want to listen to?

Man, I was real lucky that- Because you fucked me up with the Getto Boys.

Oh, I love the Getto Boys. That's sick.

I love Getto Boys. Like I said, I love '90s rap. I love a lot of East Coast '90s rap. Like I said, Cool J rap. Have you ever heard... Let Do you know the Brand New Heavies are?

No.

The Brand New Heavies are a jazz group that did collaborations with Gangstar. They did a thing called The Heavy Rhyme Experience. So it was this one CD they put out in the '90s, and they did jazz music, but they had like, Play Death Threat by Cool G Rap. One more. This is the last one, I promise. Sorry, YouTube. We're going to have to sneak this out.

I'm already a fan of all that type of shit.

You were just saying that you think rap came from jazz?

Yeah, I think rap came from jazz. I mean, listen to it. You know what I'm saying? It's got a groove. It's got that bounce. It's got that kick in there.

But I think they made those sounds specifically so people could rap over it with live music. But a friend of mine-The Roots? Yeah.

Holy shit.

The Roots had some fucking great jams.

I can't wait. You know what? I feel like this is a perfect podcast I used to say it on, I can't wait until rock, it comes back. Because I feel like rock is slowly dying, bro. And I wanted to stay alive forever. I can't wait till a good rock band come back out and they feel like a Three Day Grace or a Crossfade. They feel like something like that.

Do you think there's just cycles of things? I think if one killer band comes out now, a bunch will emerge.

Yeah, because they made it cool again. Yeah. But not because they They haven't been found. They're out right now.

Probably. We just don't know who they are. Yes.

There's another me coming around somewhere. Probably.

It definitely is. Definitely. Yeah.

You got to find, bro, prisons? Prisons are filled up with some badass motherfuckers, bro. Of course. You know what I'm saying? I've seen a lot of people. I've seen a lot of people in pretty like, bro, they master that shit. Like you said, they're with it every day, twisting it, pulling it, figuring it out, adding shit, taking it out. No distractions. Like, bro, there's motherfuckers in there making fucking tattoo guns with nothing.

Yeah. They're doing amazing tattoos.

Come on, bro.

Bro, I'm sure you've seen some prison tattoos are insanely good.

Yeah, a lot of my dad's a prison. His are crazy.

Some dudes inside are so talented, and because they have to be so ingenious to take pens and figure out a way of making it.

And then a single needle at that. A spring to a pin, fucking toothbrush, a motor from something.

Batteries, shit from a fucking electric toothbrush.

I'm trying to tell you, bro, that's some bad motherfuckers in there. All right, so my Theo Chuy, he had me and my cousin Romeo in bars when we were five years old in Mexico. Like little border towns, Matamoros and things like that. Laredo, Ego Pass. I remember there was this Mexican, and he was from Mexico. I don't know if he was slow or simple-minded or what. There was something off about him, and he couldn't do a lot. But there was one thing he could do, and it was this old-school boombox radio, the speakers, all the keys, the square one, old-school ones. And fucking, he would bust that motherfucker down to springs and screws and fucking put it back together. Wow. Bro, bust that shit down to springs, bro. I don't even know. Just whatever, to the smallest piece, and then put that shit back together. Shit was sick.

Yeah, there's mechanics out there.

Yeah, some people are just... Some people, even if they don't know how to do anything else like that right there, that's what he knows. They get upset.

Obsessed with it. They get obsessed with part numbers and shit. Yeah, it's crazy. They know where the gaskets go.

That OCD stuff, I've seen somebody open a door and they'll open and shut it, open and shut it, open and shut it, and they walk through.

Yeah.

Is that some form of throw it off?

Yeah, that's throwed off. Definitely, right? For sure. Yeah, 100%. They wash their hands like 15 times in a row. They can't stop. That's crazy. Some people have to touch a door three times before they go through it.

I feel like I have to do this, but I've done this since a kid, though, especially now. Touching your fingers? No, like doing that with your nails? Yeah, I don't know why.

It's just a tick. That's just a thing you like to do. Ocd is a disease. That's a mental health disease. Yeah, I know people have had it.

They made something called Snapchat syndrome. Did you see that? What's that? That's fucking stupid. That's in the dictionary now. So the people, they're going to get surgery to look like these filters. You know what I'm saying? That's crazy, bro. You're really only supposed to... God made you to give a fuck about what your family thinks and your cousin, your brother, your grandma, your thea. Even once it's your third cousin, fuck them.

Snapchat dysmorphia, a body image disorder characterized by the need to heavily edit one's own digital image. At its most severe, the disorder may cause people to seek out cosmetic procedures in order to replicate the altered images they present online.

That's ill.

That's ill, bro.

That's sick as fuck.

Well, that is one thing that's happening with social media. It's twisting people's ideas of what's real. Yeah, bro.

I don't know about you all, but to me, there's such thing as too much. But the women from 2003, you know what I'm saying? Who was it? Paris Hilton, they made it fucking cute to wear the jeans below her waist. Those type of women. Jennifer Anson.

Oh, my God. You like that?

Oh, my God, bro.

That's your one?

Holy fuck. I still get a Until this day.

It might be hard. She's like 50.

Yeah, bro.

But I mean, probably no eggs left.

She's a bad motherfucker. I bet she got a few in there. For real. For real. That's a bad motherfucker right there.

Imagine if four months later, we hear you got her pregnant. She reaches out. We're going to hope.

We're going to wish for the best.

She loves your music. She wants to meet up.

I've never had a mix game.

She's just bored with life and dating these dopey white dudes. Dude. Just decides to step up. Fuck, man.

I mean, shit.

They're a real Mexican rapper. There's her.

Bro, that's what I'm saying.

Bro. Damn.

Why you picked the one with the dudes?

Yeah. Why did you? She's naked. But then there are other naked. How about that one right there where she's the boob's, the blue, the blue one? That's a good one, too. How about that blue on the far right? Right next to that. Yeah, look at that. That's not real? Oh, that's not real. Damn. It looks good, though. Yeah. That's new. That's more recent.

I was trying to go in the '90s. She looked good even with age. Oh, that's friends. That's her. That's prime. That's like, Fuck, bitch. You're crazy. She's sick.

Yeah. A lot of dudes fell in love with her on TV.

Fuck, dude. It's easy. Like, man, look at her, bro.

That's got to be a weird world walking around where everybody wants to fuck you. Maybe.

Maybe. Definitely.

You think so? A hundred %.

Yeah, maybe.

Imagine just being a regular hot woman. Yeah. Everywhere you go, people are bullshitting you.

Yeah, you know what? I agree, bro, because there was a few days ago, I was at a show, and these girls were like, they were whistling. I feel like one smacked me in my ass when I was... Imagine a group of girls leaning against the wall, this all thugged out and shit, and I just walked past and they all harassed me. I'm like, oh, my God, this is what girls feel like. It makes me never want to do it again.

Yeah, it's even worse. I've been hit on by guys. I used to work out at a gay gym. There was a gym on Cole Street. Hold on, wait. Yeah. When I did news radio, the sitcom.

Why the gay gym?

Because I didn't know it was gay. It was just a Gold's gym, but it was all gay clientele because it was a gay neighborhood. It was close to the studio, so I could go during my lunch break. I get to work with bros. No, they weren't Hey, what's up?

They were like the hard gay dudes with fucking Timberlands on and mustaches.

They were all spotting each other, and they all wore the shortest of shorts. It was wild. Pink tag tops. These dudes were men. It was like a gay disco.

You ever seen gay disco?

I'm not kidding, man. It was like a gay... I was one of maybe three or four straight men in that whole building. What the fuck am I doing here? The women were like a mirage. They would walk through. No one even notice them. The women, they must have loved it. Women could just work out there and get no attention. But dudes would try to spot you for no reason. You just spot, bro? They could just feel like they could dangle their nuts over your head. Like, Hey, man, I'm good. Get out of here.

You ever seen Balls of Furies?

Balls of Fury.

It's a ping-pong movie. No. Fuck, please, bro.

What is Balls of Fury?

They were fucking sex slaves, and then he was like, No. He was like, I shouldn't. He was like, You know what? I'll do it. Fuck it. And they were like, Bet. Well, here comes the sex slaves, and it's like 6'5, dude, swole as fuck. I imagine exactly what you're saying right now, and they just walking in. Look at this shit. Hold on. Yeah, it's Homeboy hit the bar door water.

Oh, Christopher Walkin. Yeah, that's how he talks. That guy's great. Christopher Walkin is great and everything. It's a ping-pong movie.

George Lopes is in it. George Lopes is in it? Oh, shit.

What year was this?

Like '07. Yeah, there you go.

Oh, wow. Fucking ping-pong movie. That's hilarious. Homeboy right here. Well, this is hilarious.

No, you definitely have to watch it. I feel like they don't make movies like this no more, man. Oh, bro, she's another one. When I saw her, I was like, man.

It's hard to make a comedy now because everyone's scared to offend anybody.

Yeah, everybody lives in their fucking emotions. Like, bro, who gives a fuck? No, your. It only burns for a little bit, man. You know what I'm saying?

Well, with comedy, they're just worried about getting protested. South Park is still a thing.

That's all out the window.

But South Park has got the ultimate cheat code. What? It's a cartoon, and they don't look at all like people, and you can have them doing wild shit. You could have them die. You're going to like, Oh, they killed Kenny. You bastard. You could have people stuff people up their asses. Remember when that teacher stuffed Paris Hilton up his ass?

No, but I remember when he put the gerber in his ass. You remember that one?

The guy put everything in his ass. Dude. South Park is the ultimate show.

They had Jesus and Hitler, fucking.

Yeah, they did. Holy shit.

Yeah. Bro, no. South Park was on some shit.

They were in a hole off. He stuffed Paris Hilton up his ass to win the hole off.

Holy shit. Look at that. Keestered her.

Up, right up to the shoes.

Jesus. Yeah. What would you do if you came in here and you seen fucking this tall-ass motherfucker and you just see his feet hanging out, dangling from the ass. I would be very confused. Would you help?

Yeah, I'd help him for sure. I would have to.

Would you fight him and then pull him out, or would you try to pull him?

I would shoot him. You shoot him. The guy can stuff a up his ass. You have to shoot that guy. You have to shoot him in the head. Otherwise, you're going to hurt your friend because your friend stuffed in his body cavity. I was just thinking that. Yeah. Imagine if I shot him in the chest and I killed Jamie? No, Jamie. No. You have to shoot him in the head. They killed Jamie. Then you'd have to get people to help you and you have to put your feet on his ass. Are you doing the mouth-to-mouth on me afterwards? I think I'm going to have to. I love you. I love you. You're my friend. I'm not going to let you die.

Dude, my dad was like two elbows deep in a cow one time trying to help it get birth. Wow. Yeah, that's what I thought of when you said that.

Yeah, when they get in there, man, they get in there. They're pulling babies out and shit. It's a rough world, but that's how people lived forever.

Yeah. I had a buddy. He was 14 years old, and he was already for a living, neutering bulls. Jesus. Yeah, I was like, You're a bad Fuck it, yo. He was showing me videos, snipping the balls and spraying it with some Purple spray. He's like,. I'm like, Bro, that digga, he going to fuck you up. How do they do that?

Are the bulls contained in a pen?

Yeah, it's in a little pen. Those pens right before they jump out when they're bull riding.

Like that. And then the balls are hanging out there and they're just reach in and grab them.

Cut them bad boys.

And then they eat them. Rocky Mountain oysters.

Do they? Have you ever had them? Yeah. They're good?

It's not something I would order.

Is it fat?

Yeah, it's like a mushy meat. Yeah, it's a meat. It's like an organ meat. Do you eat organs?

I don't think so.

I eat liver. I eat a lot of liver.

I think I've had liver.

I had liver for breakfast. Really? Yeah, elk liver for breakfast.

I saw that elkie knock down out there. That was sick.

Yeah, that's what I mostly eat. No shit? Yeah. No shit. It's really good for you. It's wild protein. You don't have to worry about any hormones or bullshit, but It's expensive, right?

Or you go catch it.

No, I go get it. I go out there in the mountains.

That's the one thing because I'll hunt. I'll take you... Oh, you're in Texas. I'll bring you back over there where I'm at. We'll be in a helicopter shooting pigs. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I've been invited to do that. But my problem with that is that I don't think they eat those pigs. No, we don't. I think they just leave it there.

No, we don't. We just leave them there. Is that a problem with you?

No, it's not a problem because it has to be done. Yes. It does have to be done.

You can't do that to deers, though. You can't do that to anything else.

They do it in other countries.

No, that's fucked.

They do it in Australia and in New Zealand because they get overpopulated. So they start gunning them down with helicopters.

Yeah. See, I got a fat ass AR. You know what I'm saying? I blow these motherfuckers down. But, bro, seeing you and watching you, what you do, I wanted to get on a bow now for the longest. But you got to be a bad motherfucker, though, bro.

It's a lot of discipline.

When I think of the bow and arrow and I see you hit that, you look like a fucking Viking, bro. That shit looks badass.

I've been doing it a long time. I've been doing archery for 12 years now.

Oh, shit.

I've got a little bit of an injury right now. No, I got a little bit of a tendon anus in my neck when it flares up when I'm at full draw. So I haven't shot at all for a month. So for one month, I has been walking around my house going like this. Because usually it's a part of every day. Every day, I get in front of that target and shoot at least 100 arrows.

Damn, that's sick.

It has to be a part of your muscle memory. Yeah, it makes sense. In order to be able to do it when you're under pressure, when you're hunting, you have to have ultimate confidence in your ability. And even then, there's so much wild shit happening. The animal's moving, they're screaming at each other. You ever heard an elk scream?

No, but I bet it's crazy.

When you're in the mountains and you hear that, it sounds like a mythical creature. It doesn't even sound like a real animal. When they come, sometimes you're on a trail and you're hiding.

Wow. Yeah.

When it's right up next to you, there's times where you're in the woods hiding. You're hiding behind a tree, and these motherfuckers are walking through the trail. So he's doing this 30 feet from you, 40 feet from you. And You're trying to find when you can pull your bow back. You hear him walking, but you don't want him to see you. So you got to stay totally still and wait till he turns his head away. And then you're at full draw and they're screaming,.

Yeah. That's another thing. You got to have patience just fishing. I know you got to have patience with that shit.

Patience. You have to be fit.

Because that's another thing, fit.

You have to go to the mountains and you have to be able to go to the mountains, and you have to be able to hike 8 miles, 10 miles in a day.

I can't even think of that. Fuck all that.

It's hard. You have to eat a lot of food. You have to drink a lot of water and electrolytes. So you got to be ready. You can get dehydrated out there easy.

Yeah, I believe it.

You get worn the fuck out.

And then I'm sure you're going somewhere higher. You know what I'm saying? Now you got less oxygen and all that shit.

Oh, we're at 8,000 feet most of the time. Yeah, fuck. Well, the elk, they don't want to be around you. They want to hide up in the place where it's tough to get.

Makes sense. What about a ram? I've always wanted to catch a ram.

I've never done that, but they're beautiful.

Yeah. Honestly, I think I want to catch one. I feel like I've always thought rams are my spirit animal.

Really? Rams?

Yeah. They just mind their business. They stay the fuck out of the way. You know what I'm saying? They go and do what they got to do, bring it back. And then, bro, they just look handsome. And they headbutt each other. Yes, that's what I'm saying. But you know Busta Rhymes, of course, right? Yeah, sure. The Breaking Neck music video where he fucking headbutter the Ram. I met Busta when I fucking met him. I brought that up and he went into full on character mode. That's amazing. Yeah, no, shit. Shout out Busta. Because I met some people that I was fans of, and I'm like, Oh, I bet you ain't shit, ho. Oh, really? Yeah, hell, yeah. Oh, that sucks. Yeah, yeah.

That's a bummer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's also another thing. I'm grateful that you're you. You know what I'm saying? Because I'm enjoying this. There's some people, like I said, I met them. I'm like, Man, you're a hoe ass motherfucker, bro. That sucks. Yeah. But you know what I'm saying? Busta, when I met Busta, I was like, damn, he's the hero I thought he was.

Oh, that's cool. Yeah. It's nice when you meet somebody and they live up to your expectations. Correct. It is a bummer when they don't.

I hope Adam Sandler is who I think he is. Oh, he is.

Yeah, I know him well.

I love Adam.

He's great.

You know why I love Adam? Why? Because he put all his boys on and those motherfuckers ran with that shit.

Yeah, that's true.

Bro. And he funny. You know what I'm saying? Like, bro, he got Happy Gilmore. Bro, he got some shit. The Longest Yard, when he read it down, like, bro, he got some shit. Yeah.

Motherfucking- The Zohan?

Don't mess with the Zohan. Remember when he was with the Hummus? He caught the fish with his ass.

Bro, the Zohan is a great movie. Bro, yes. It's a Great. And you couldn't make that movie today. He fucked everybody. Remember when he was a hairdresser?

He was fucking all those ladies. Holy fuck, the old lady.

He fucked all those old ladies.

Got that hair done. It came out off fucked up.

That movie was amazing.

It was, man. Homegirl that he was falling I love her, too. That's another one. I put her next to Jennifer. Oh, yeah.

She's hot as fuck. Yeah, definitely. He's exactly who you would hope he'd be. That's beautiful. He's cool as fuck to hang out with.

That makes me happy.

Real chill, down to earth.

Does he smoke?

I don't think so. Man, I know. Crazy, right? Because he's got a total stoner's sense of humor.

Right. I've always been a fan of Will Farrell, too, and I've always told myself, if there's anybody I'd smoke with it, it'd be Will Farrell or Adam.

I met Will Farrell once, too. I did an audition with him. Yeah, he was very cool. Real friendly. Nice. It was before he was Will Farrell. It was like, this is the '90s.

Oh, so now he's like a dickhead.

We're both nothing. No, I don't think so. No? No, I don't think so. No indication. He seems like a nice guy. But he was a very nice guy then. Real friendly. I was like, Don't share that's Will Farrell. I think he was still on center at Live at the time.

You remember In Living Color? Oh, yeah. Jim Carrey was on that shit, bro.

Oh, man. You forgot how good that's... That's another thing you couldn't make today.

The Boondocks is another one. I love the Boondocks. Boondocks is great, man. When I met Sway, I was like, Bro, you were on fucking Boondocks.

Yeah, I forgot about Boondocks.

That was my shit, bro. I used to freestyle over that beat all the time as a kid. The instrumental and the Oh, wow. Yeah, I was big on that shit. What were the first people that you worked with where they started making beats for you? My boy TB Robby. He my miskin out there in San Antonio. He definitely still is one of my in-house producers. I love still working with them. I haven't used a beat. I got a beat from him a few days ago. The music video I dropped tomorrow is his beat. But lately I've been fucking with Bankroll. Got it. It's two white boys out in California, and those two white boys are in my pocket. Yeah? They're in my pocket for sure.

When you do that, what is the process like? Do you have the lyrics in your head, it written down, and then you have a beat and you go in?

I hear the beat first. You hear the beat first. Yeah, I don't ever really like to write the lyrics first. I like hearing the beat first. Really? Yeah. And then I just catch it from there. It's very, very rare I'll have lyrics and then a beat. You know what I'm saying? I have to have something heavy on my mind. Other than that, man, I'm jamming the beats first.

So did they bring you beats and you say, Hey, what do you got for me? And then it looks like you're going shopping.

No, I just text them. I just text them, send me beats, and they'll send me a fucking fat ass fuckload. Really? Yeah. And I know they're good, bro, because I'm picky with beats. I've had people send me a beat pack of 50, and I left with one or two. Bankroll, they'll send me 10, and I'll leave with eight.

And so what is your process for listening to them? You do it by yourself? Yourself? Do you sit there just alone? How do you do it?

It's always different. Sometimes I'm by myself. Sometimes my boys are with me. I like being in my truck when I write sometimes because I just be smoking, hot boxing in my truck, just catching that vibe. You know what I'm saying?

If you got a good sound system in your car.

Yeah, I do.

There's something about driving and listening to music that makes it even more fun because you're heightened because you're driving, so you got to pay attention to everything. So your brain is fired up and that music comes on, you're like, Oh, shit.

Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly.

Because you're in a box of it.

It has nowhere else to go. I think that's what it is.

I was telling the Black Keys when I would go to the Comedy Store.

One of my favorite things to do. Please tell them that Misk N'Ote is an enormous fan.

I 100% well. I'm going to see him tonight. Thank you. Or see him I. I listen to Sinister Kid. Sinister Kid was the song that I would listen to when I get on the highway. Because it's just like, I'm living in LA. I'm driving to the Comedy store. Let's fucking go. That song was on.

No, I dig it.

When you got a good sound system, here it is. Yeah.

They just got it. God damn.

We'll probably get a copyright for that. Probably. Cut it out. Just cut it out. All right, we cut that out. But that's Sinister Kid. That fucking song rules, man. Their shit is just all authentic. They have a new album coming out in April. Holy shit is it good. I got an early copy of it. They let me listen to it.

Fuck, man. Dude, I love to send you this new shit I've been working on. I want to hear. Like I said, I want to name it Recess.

I like it. Yeah. Why Recess?

Because, bro, man, this is Recess to me. I go out there and just be a kid. You know what I'm saying? I think that's why it's still so fun. Yeah.

Well, if you can keep it fun, that's the key to life.

Yeah, correct. That is the key to life. Because my dad's a trainer. He's been a trainer his whole life. I ain't going to lie. He knows a lot, but there's one thing that motherfucking knows, he knows the human body. I lost it. Where was I going?

Your dad was a trainer.

Oh, yeah. My fault.

I had a Ray Kurzweil flashback right there.

He would always tell people, Man, working out ain't even working out. You stop working out one day when you just stop going to recess. You know what I'm saying? I think that's another reason why I really like the word recess for the project because my dad even preached that shit. Just be a kid. It's all working out is at the playground having fun.

They found out that that's the best way people learn things.

Is working out? Is playing. Oh, playing. Yeah, I completely agree. It's a pure moment. You're just having fun.

I was watching this video where this guy was breaking down martial arts development and learning how to strike. And he was like, The most important thing is to keep it playful. And if you can keep it playful, you'll develop skills much quicker than if you're tense. If it's scary and work and everything like that, it's harder to develop those really finally honed skills. And the best way to develop them is to learn how to play. Correct. So the Gracies, the jiu-jitsu guys, that was their thing. They would always say, Keep it playful. Keep it playful. When you roll, Don't touch up. Don't try to kill each other. Just keep it playful. Keep it playful. And then you'll develop skills. If you have to do it quickly, you'll know how to do it. Yeah, correct. If you really are in a real struggle, a real fight, you'll know how to do it. But you don't have to do that every day. Keep it playful. Learn the moves, learn the positions. Just get it in your head that it's fun. There's a mindset, a play mindset. When you're really enjoying it, well, you get better at things.

My dad had a buddy. He was a jiu-jitsu artist or a fighter. I don't know if you'd call it an artist. You're a martial artist, yeah. And, bro, seeing him, he was a white boy, and seeing him do the way I seen him do these dudes up, man, that shit's humbling. That's some bad motherfucker. There's levels of this shit, is what I'm saying. You know what I'm saying? The weight, It's different when you... Of course, it's easy to have control. Not easy, but some people make it look easy having control of their own body. But to be able to have control of somebody else's body, too. You know what I'm saying? It's like, damn, bro. I've seen this motherfucking ragdoll people, yo. Yeah. He'll move them with his leg. He'll grab them by their shirt right here and move them with his right leg.

It's just crazy, bro.

I like that shit, though, man.

Yeah. Learning how to manipulate a human body is a very underrated skill. Yeah. It's a good thing to know.

Yeah, for sure. It's a scary thing to know once you know how to do it.

It's scary when you've experienced it on you and you don't know how to do it. That was a wake up call for me when I first started doing jiu-jitsu. I thought I knew how to fight.

Fucked up.

Oh, my God. I got fucked up. I got fucked up over and over and over again. It was so humbling.

Yeah. It was so humbling. I had a buddy named Emril. Rest in Peace Emril. Man, that's crazy. He went to our Little Rock, Arkansas, and he went to a gym over there. And he said the first day he went in there and he was just fucking throwing up. And he said as soon as he threw up, everybody in the gym was like, Yeah, fucking get him. You know what I'm saying? He was like, Bro, you're just some fucking animals in there.

They went through it already. Yeah, for sure. They were unusual people. If you go to a gym and you meet a dude, he's a black fellow, he's been doing jiu-jitsu for 12 years. That's a bad motherfucker. That dude's put in some numbers.

My buddy Jrody, he's always saying he knows jiu-jitsu and taekwondo because it's My son, he put his kids in taekwondo. So he went to class one day for one week. And after that, he was like, One day, I was like, Man, I don't know where my gun is at. I didn't find my gun because I don't go nowhere without my gun. I'm in church with my gun. And he was like, Man, don't worry. I know taekwondo. Then Master Lee taught me some shit today. I'm like, Bro. What? Yeah, I was like, Shut the fuck up. You know what I'm saying? Of course, he don't know shit, but he just being funny. You know what I'm saying? I'm like, No, fuck that shit.

Yeah, it's always better to have a gun.

And he's a tall, lanky ass. He's tall for no For no reason. Tall for no reason. I'm talking about, bro. He walk and you just look at his legs and they just look flimsy. Like, Bro, are you out of there? Tall for no reason. If I was him, bro, if I was as tall as him, I'd be an animal. Animal. It would make me want to be a beast. Remember I was telling him about Fat Bo early? And he was talking about my mama. He's gay, but like, bro, 6'5 and just like, you see him, you think he a solid ass gangster.

I bet he worked out that, Jim. I worked out it.

Yeah, Yeah, I'm sure. Shout out Fat Bo, man. He a bad motherfucker. Yeah. No, but yeah. I feel like a lot of gay people. I've seen some gay people put them some hands on some people.

Of course, they're men.

Yeah. But besides that, I feel like they were bullied. You know what I'm saying? So they had to like, Bitch, I'm going to fuck you up. Exactly. You know?

Yeah. You don't want to get fucked up by a dude with a lisp.

Just put it on.

You like this motherfucker. Just beating your ass. Stars. You seeing stars?

Holy shit.

He's leg-kicking you. You're like, Oh, no.

You think he pissed on you. He talking to you with a lisp. I always thought it was funny whenever Canelo learned English, he learned English and became a menace. At first, he was like, I'm going to punch him. And I'm going to punch him again. Now he's like, Fuck that motherfucker. Fuck that bitch. I'm like, damn, he's a savage. He's a wild dude. Yeah. Even Sean O'Malley, I just watched that fight with him. I'm like, Bro, there's some bad motherfuckers on Earth.

There are some bad motherfuckers on Earth.

I feel like they need to be in the military.

It's different. Those are bad motherfuckers, too, but it's a different world. Different type of being a bad motherfucker. There's one thing to do it for a sport. It's a dangerous sport. There's another thing to do it in defense of your country, and that is a lot more intense.

Yeah, no, I definitely agree. But I mean, shit. I feel like I've seen some motherfuckers in the military, and I've seen them cry. I'm like, What the fuck are you doing? This dude just yelled at you, and you tripping on that.

So Because they're emotional. They want to do well. Those are the guys you wanted to do well so much. No. So you're saying they were crying because they were broken down?

Yeah, just pushes. Like, bro, fucking me. You know what I'm saying? That's your nuts hang, bro. Don't get it twisted. Like, what you're saying, I completely agree. Then there's some people and it's like, why are you on Infantry?

Well, they probably did it because they thought they wanted something to toughen them up. There's a lot of people like that. They feel like they don't have any discipline. They'll just join the military. I felt like that when I was When I was 18, the army had a Taekwondo team, and I was going to join the army Taekwondo team because I wanted to be able to train. In the army, they had a legitimate, organized team that they would send to tournaments. There was this dude, Clay Barber. He fought for the US Army team. I remember he was real good, one of the top guys in the country. I wanted to be like him. I was like, oh, this dude's in the army. Maybe I'll join the army. And then I talked to a recruiter. I'm like, get the fuck out of here. What are you talking about? And also, just because you're a state champion or won the US Open, whatever I had won at the time, I'd won a bunch of tournaments. There was no guarantee that they were going to have me compete for the army's team, and then they might just fucking send me to Iraq.

I didn't know where I was going. I was like, This is not...

I don't like this. Can you help me find this book? I believe it's called Through the Bob Wire. It's about this dude. He's from Belgium. As a kid, he had heart problems. He had asthma, all this stuff that would just hold him back from everything, being able to just go outside and have fun. And when he was seven, eight years old, it just all disappeared. And he went into taekwondo or karate or something. And eventually that one thing led to another. And he's in fucking Bangkok fighting underground fighters. And, bro, it's him. It's a book about his life, and he's fighting this dude taller than him. And he says he didn't know how to dominate this man. He's just a giant ass motherfucker. He said he jumped up on the back of him, fucking bit him on the side of his neck, and he said he fucking shoved his hand in that hole where he bit and fucking ripped his neck. Jesus Christ. Yeah, underground Bangkok fight Belgium, dude. Probably like 5'8.

There's a bunch of people that are doing that shit now, and you could find videos of it online. They're having these street fights where they'll pay people more money if you bite a chunk off the dude. So dudes are biting chunks off dude's ears and faces and shit.

Yeah, but this was then. You know what I'm saying?

No, I'm saying it's still going on.

Yeah, but I think he did this to survive. This wasn't about money. Like he had to win the fight. You know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. Yeah. I do believe that, though. I believe that there's places... I feel like there's places out right now that they just snatch people up and then they'll put them. You ever seen a movie Hostile? I think that's real.

Oh, that's real. Yeah. We were talking about what they used to do. It's called Shanghai and someone. They used to take people and they would drug them, and then they'd wake up on a boat and you had to go to work. They were sending you off to China. They send you off to Shanghai. To work? Yeah. They would kidnap people and force them into slave labor.

Holy shit.

They called it Shanghai. You'd get Shanghai.

Listen to this. This dude was smoking. He was in a cabin with his buddy, and Alaska, somewhere where it snowing. And him and his buddy were smoking. When you dream, a dream is probably eight seconds long at most. And he said that he was smoking with his buddy, and he hit this weed, and he just fell out. Boom, hit the floor. And when he woke up, he was completely soaking wet and inside of a boat. And these people were like, Bro, are you okay? You good? You almost drowned. Are you good? And he's like, Who the fuck are you? I don't know who the fuck you all are. You know what I'm saying? And he was like, Bro, what are you talking about? I'm your best friend. This is your wife, all this and that. He was like, Bro, I don't know who the fuck you all are at all. And then two years passed, three years passed, and he's like, I still don't know who the fuck you all are. I'm sorry. And five Five years passed, six years passed, and he's like, I don't know. I guess this is reality. Fuck it. I guess I was tripping maybe.

And then eight years passed. And one day he's just sitting there and he fucking falls out. When he falls out, he wakes up and he wakes up in that cabin. And this humble was like, Bro, are you good? You were out for five seconds. Lived a whole eight-year span in five seconds.

I have a friend of mine on a podcast. He smoked Salvia. Wow. He smoked Salvia on a podcast and went into a dark hole. And he said he lived a whole 'nother life. He lived another life. He had relationships. He had jobs. Did he say he lived underwater? Did you say he lived underwater? For sure. Yeah, he was underwater years straight, I think. Yeah. That's crazy. And then he came back.

That's how crazy the mind is.

And you see him coming back. He's like, What happened?

And this was right here. What's that?

When he was coming back, he was struggling to breathe air because he learned to breathe underwater. What the fuck? But here's the It's the thing. Here's the thing that sounds insane. It sounds insane, but this guy was saying that he was there for months, six months, that he lived a life. He had relationships, he had jobs.

I believe it.

And that was his life for six months. Then all of a sudden, he came back. I think there might be neighboring dimensions where time moves differently and you can access them through psychedelics? Yes. I think that's possible.

It's going on right now. We're just not tapped in. Exactly. I was talking to my buddy, fee, about this. He brought it up. He was like, It's going on right now. Those things you see, we're just not tapped into it.

Yeah. Well, that's one of the big theories about aliens, is that they're here all the time.

Would you smack an alien down? No, it's not.

Behind the barbed wire, World War II, US Marine captured North China, 1941. No, sir. Prisoned by the Japanese till '45.

Holy shit. That sounds insane, though, but that's not it. Barbed wire, maybe? He's a bald dude. Bold white man. Shred. Shredded. He's not big enough. Just lean and shredded. I think- He was a Purple Heart, right? Or no, not Purple Heart. He was in the Europe military. Don't they Purple sleeves or something like that. He was something, man. Fuck. There was a story where he dressed up like a woman because he's in the military. So they're all fucking these hos out there in these lands and shit. And he said that his boy was at this club, went to the restaurant with one of the horses, and he said he's in there forever. He's like, Man, I'm going to check on my boy. You know what I'm saying? And And fucking, he goes in there and he's like, Hey, you all good? Don't hear nothing. He sees a girl and he said he just felt like something was off. And he said he fucking kicked that door and started beating the shit out the bitch because she had a fucking knife to his balls and was like, Robin them. Like, Bitch, I'm Oh, wow. You know what I'm saying?

Went in there and beat the shit out the bitch. There was another story. He fucking- How was he?

He was dressed like a woman? So he dressed like a woman to get into the woman side?

No, I accidentally switched stories. But this is another one. He dressed up as a woman. He went to go, Save this other woman. And fucking dressed up as a woman to get into this place and fucking went apeshit. It's been so long since I read the book, you know what I'm saying? But we got to find it, bro. Got to find it. He studied. I forgot what fighting style he trained in, but he fought 20 people at once, broken ribs, I think a broken wrist. And he still had to fight all these dudes until it was up. And he went through fucking hell and back to deserve that.

A all dressed like a woman.

Yeah. Well, yeah, this is other shit. But he dressed up as a woman to go save this other bitch. Wow. Yeah, he did some shit, bro. Like real life superhero shit. Like main character shit.

What was the name of it? Something barbed wire?

Something barbed wire. Something with wire. Thru the Wire, Bob Wire, something, man. Do you remember his name? I don't. My dad brought the book home. I read it like a motherfucker. It was about that thing. It weren't too crazy. Bad motherfucker.

There's some different humans out there.

Bro, I'm talking about Really built to last.

Yeah, built to last. People are just wired different. And they get more wired different through training.

I'll be hearing Tyson talk about all those warriors that he studied. Bro, some of them They fell into my algorithm and I just started learning about them. Yeah, they're some bad motherfuckers. I think you were talking to a dude that he fucking had blades and shoved them in his arm or some shit like that. Weren't you talking to a dude that said that? He shoved them in his arm. Like, he had blades in his arms and he fucking came back and killed everybody. They cut his arms off and killed his family or some shit like that.

I don't know about that. What is that? Do you know what we're talking about? It doesn't sound unfamiliar, but it might have been a movie or something. I don't know.

This guy, this dude is a real warrior. Or at least that's what you all were talking about.

Yeah. Who was it? Was it the Chris Williamson one?

I don't know. You all were talking about warriors, though. I don't know.

I don't know either. Yeah, I remember this. I remember pulling it up. He replaced his arm with a sword? Yeah, I got to figure.

Both of them. It cut both of his hands off.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah, he looked like Baraka. Here we go.

Got it? I found the clip of us talking about it. Okay. Let me see. Yeah, here.

Yeah.

Oh, Cory Sanhagen. I'm going to say, Forget everything after a month of learning something. But one of the warriors was this Aztec dude. He got captured by the other team. They took him, they cut off his hands to try to make him miserable for his entire life. They send him back to his camp. This guy glues on, knives onto his hands and then just commits the rest of his life to just win all of these people that did that. According to legend, after his right-hand was cut off by the Spanish, Galvarino boldly held up his left hand, offering up for his captives to amputate. He displayed no emotion as it was cut off and his facial features recorded no pain.

And because that's the type of dude that I was trying to become sometimes. Yeah, that's crazy. That's what I feel like I'm watching you on right now. Yeah.

Well, you are. It's just crazy. But there's no TV. That's Cory Sanhagen. He's a bad motherfucker himself. He's one of the best UFC fighters. He's a Bantamweight top contender.

Bro, Benavides. I've been watching him a lot. Damn, Benavides. Oh, my goodness.

It's Canelo and Benavides going to get together?

From what I don't know, because I don't have too much knowledge of it, from what I've been hearing, he been running. Canelo been running. He's got to fight Benavides. Yeah, but I don't think he want to fuck his record up.

No, Benavides is a body snatcher. Bro. That motherfucker is a body snatcher.

Bro, like, nah. He takes souls. Yeah, nah. He takes souls. Different, bro.

He's different.

And he missed.

Yeah, he's a bad dude.

I love that shit, bro.

He's a bad dude. He's a bad dude, and he's relentless. That motherfucker is relentless. You You know? Like his last fight? Who did he fight in his last fight?

He fought- Even Tyson was saying he's an animal.

Didn't he fight Charlo? He fought one of the Charlo brothers, right?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Just beat him down, man. He's animal. He's something special. There's dudes that come along with what David Goggins likes to say, uncommon amongst uncommon men. That's Benavides. He has to fight Canelo. That would be a trap. And they can't wait like Floyd Mayweather and Manny Pacquiao did. They can't wait until they're older. They got to fight in the prime, and now's the time. I know Canelo has one more fight schedule. He's got a fight schedule right now, and people are mad at him because it's the May fourth fight. He's not mean. That is the one, right? Mexican Independence Day. You're going to fight on that weekend, bro. You're supposed to be fighting. Benavides. Benavides. That's the fight. That's the fight everybody wants to see.

He running. I think that's what I've been hearing lately.

Demetrius Andrade. That's who it was. That's right.

Beat the dog shit out of this.

That's right. Canelo fought one of the Charlotte brothers. That's right. I'm sorry. Yeah. And Demetrius Andrade is a bad motherfucker, and he was doing really well in the beginning of that fight because he's a real slick boxer Great mover, but-Hawland?

Kevin Hawland?

Kevin Hawland is a bad man, too. Did you see that fight with Michael Venin-Page this weekend, though?

No, but I think I was at a show, but he walked out to my music. Oh, did he really? Yeah, he's been walking out to Johnny Dango, 202 and all that shit. And then I met him at the Closet, and he was cool. He's very cool.

He's been on the podcast before.

I want to fuck with Brandon. I met Brandon Moreno at a fucking-Oh, he's great. This is what made me love him, besides him being Mexican. But when I saw how smart All he was, I was like, what the fuck?

He fights 125.

And he will fuck anybody up in this airport right now. Like, what? That shit was crazy to me. I was like, bro, I wanted to bow to him. You know what I'm saying? I was like, bro, I respect you. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he's a bad motherfucker. Shout out Brandon Moreno.

That weight class is stacked, man. God damn, that weight class. 125 is filled with assassins.

Bro, because they just mean-looking. There he is.

Yeah, he's a Cool dude, too.. Real fucking friendly dude. Real nice guy.

Those are the killers, though. The ones that... You know what I'm saying? Yeah.

He had some fucking incredible wars, man, with Davison Figareto, the guy who beat for the title. That division is just filled with super talented guys.

Bro, so from when UFC started and started getting big to now, it's sick, There's no comparison.

There's no sport like it, where if you go to 1993 and watch it and to 2024 and watch it, it's completely different. They're so much better. Everyone's so much better.

Oh, yeah, because it's all mastered now at this point.

Yeah, the sport's complete. There's so many different styles and so many different approaches, even amongst the champions. There's so many different practitioners. Some guys are just strikers, some guys are just grapplers. They all know how to do everything, but they have styles and specials.

I used to watch the grappling fights and be like, This is bullshit. But then when I fucking saw it in person and I have a buddy that does it, I was like, Oh, yeah, no. These are bad motherfuckers, too.

Well, if you tried it yourself, if you tried jiu-jitsu yourself-No, I got fucked up.

That's what I'm saying. I got fucking humbled. You know what I'm saying?

But if you learn how to do it, then you really appreciate it because then you understand how difficult it is to do what they're doing. And you also see the paths. You see, is he going to go, Oh, he went for it. Oh, shit. Oh, look at that. Okay, he's got secured this. He's got that. Oh, he moved in and out. You see the transitions and all the different chest moves that they're playing.

Yeah, correct. You remind me when you said the understanding. That's what I wanted to say earlier, but we ended up talking about something else. The music shit, I just know of music. I don't know how to read music. I don't even know how to count bars. You know what I'm saying? I just know of it. Imagine if I fully understood it.

Why don't you?

I'm going to eventually. You know what I'm saying? It's just not my time right now. You know what I'm saying? I'm doing what I'm doing, enjoying it. I definitely want to elevate, though. When I understood that, I was like, Bro, I just know of it. I want to know this shit. Right. Oh, bro, I'm going to be an animal.

Do you think you're ever going to get to a point where you create your own beats?

Yeah, for sure. Because I used to do that as a kid. I used to be in the studio of my Uncle Moon already just fucking around.

That would be wild.

Yeah.

Your shit, your beats.

Zero did that. That's why, bro, fuck. Zero. They don't be giving him his flowers, bro. Not only was he making great music and harmonizing with dope-ass raw lyrics. He was making his beats. You know what I'm saying? And he was really delivering that shit, bro. He had a swagger to him, and nobody wanted to fuck with him. And that's why I make him even more of a beast, because when nobody wanted to fuck with him, they had no choice but to fuck with him. It was so in their face. It was so good. It became undeniable. Exactly. And it was so good that if you didn't like it, you were a dry ass hater. You know what I'm saying? You're just dry hatin because you know that shit good.

Those are the saddest people. A dry hater.

Bro, come on, bro. Just dry ass hatin. How fuck was you, bro? Because he was making his beats. He was doing all that shit, bro. That's pretty good.

It's a good song. Yeah.

He's a fan of the show, too.

Nice. Shout out to zero.

Hold on. Not him? No. This is more than one zero? I'm talking about Z-R-O.

Z-r-o.

I'm talking about a Texas legend. When you think of Texas rappers, he's definitely on the Mount more.

That's got to be weird with- That's different. Z-r-o, there it is.

He got Meth, Crack, Heroine. Those are all his projects.

He's got a song called Meth? No, these are projects, albums. That's the album. The album's Meth.

The next album is Crack. The other one's Heroine, the other one's Cocaine. Wow. Yeah. And, bro, he's Texas's Tupac. People be tripping when I say, I think he better than PAC. Yeah, of course, PAC, he fucking-Let's pause this so I could hear some of it.

Pause our here.

No, hold on. This ain't the one to play.

Which one to play?

Play In My City. Man, there's so many, bro. There's just too many. In My City is a good one because I want you to hear him sing and rap. That's his. They can't tell me PAC was better than Zero. Nobody could tell me PAC was better than zero.

I just added that to my playlist.

Thank you. Yeah. And it gets better. It gets better. I just pulled this one out of my ass because That's one of my favorite ones by him personally. But, bro, now it gets better. He got a song called Most City Dawn, and it was originally done by Rahim in New York, but I didn't even know that. I thought this was a zero song.

Raheem Eric B. In Raheem? Yes.

And he fucking slow out and bang it. So Slab? You know what Slabs are, correct? You're from Texas. Yes. You're from Texas?

No, I live here. Where are you from? Well, I was born in New Jersey. No shit. I lived in California. I lived everywhere. I lived in Florida. I lived in Boston. But Texas is it for you. Yeah, this is where I'm staying.

You seem like a Texas boy to me. Thank you. Yeah. So anyways, look, bro, what was I saying? Zero. Yeah. No. Slabs. Yeah, slabs. Slow, loud, and banging. That's what S-L-A-B stands for. And like, bro, we'd be at land parties in the country mid-fight, people fighting. And that song, Come on, bro. White boys were mullets, the Black Boys, the Miskins. Everybody's singing mid-fight. We stopped fighting, we jamming. Really? That's what Zero do to us. Wow. Real life.

It's funny how some dudes like that, they just don't get out into the mainstream for some reason.

People don't know. He don't need to be mainstream. He's ours. We're selfish with that shit. You know what I'm saying? There's some people that don't... I was jamming that shit in New York, and some people like, Oh, my God, what is this? I'm like, It blows my mind. You all don't know, but that's okay. You know what I'm saying? I'm okay with being selfish with Zero because he a Texas legend. Like, I said, he's on the Mount Rushmore for us. You know what I'm saying?

What's the Texas Mount Rushmore? You got to have the Gadow Boys in there.

We're going to put Scarface on there out of the Gadow Boys. Yeah, for sure. I don't think you could put the full Scarface. I mean, it's a full Gadow Boys, though. It'll be a little unfair. Unfair? I think so. They were all bad motherfuckers, though. Definitely. Especially Willy D because he was backing that shit up. You know what I'm saying? But Scarface had the voice. He was cool at telling stories. Bushwick just had a look to him, and he was also good at it. But even then, you said Willy D wrote that shit for him. You know what I'm saying?

Willy D wrote a lot of shit.

That's what I'm saying.

He wrote most of The Guadowoy shit.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying, bro? I don't think you could put Bush on there. I respect Bush. I need my dog after him. You know what I'm saying? I love Bush, but I would definitely say Scar even got Willy just because he got that voice. You know what I'm saying? Keith, wasn't there a fourth to the Gator boys, right? What's his name? Keith? Some shit like that? I don't know.

Jamie will find it.

Dude, we still haven't found that book. Fuck, that's going to bother the fuck out of me, bro. Like, he's really a bad motherfucker. Someone will find it.

Someone will find it. They'll reach out.

He's a bad motherfucker, bro. I think they made a movie about his life, too, if I'm not mistaken, because I remember reading, what is it called on the end of the book, on the autobiography or whatever? They said something about a movie.

Yeah. Well, there's a lot of movies that never get made. They're in the process of getting made. It never happens.

Yeah. Zero, though, bro. Back to Zero, man. He's just a champion, bro. And people be like, Park, well, he got that pain. Bro, no. Did nobody go through pain the way Zero went through it, losing his mama, nobody wanted to fuck with him. Nobody wanted to hand him the weed. You know what I'm saying? Everybody loved PAC because he was a movie star. He was a role model. Zero was really gutter, raw, uncut. You know what I'm saying? From the streets. Nobody want to fuck with them. You know what I'm saying? People are hating on them. You know what I'm saying? I love it because he made the people have no choice but to love and respect his music at one point because it was just so in their face. You know what I'm saying? And me being Mexican, I'm playing a Black predominant game. So I had to put it in their face. Same thing with Paul. He's white, having to put it in their face. So whenever you come up like that, it's more respectable. You know what I'm saying? I love that shit.

It's undeniable.

Correct. Like I said, PAC, he influenced the world, which is cool, but he wasn't making better music than Zero, in my personal opinion.

Well, you're allowed to have your opinion. Yeah, correct.

And it might also be just because I'm from Texas, that's where I grew up on.

If you were growing up with PAC, you would have a different opinion.

You see what I'm saying? Yeah, of course. But I personally feel like because he was singing, he was making music. You know what I'm saying? Pac was rapping, and then he'd have a sample come and sing. You know what I'm saying? And he wasn't making no beats. Zero was putting that shit together. I know what you're saying. I like that shit.

Have you listened to Kanye's new shit?

No. But to be honest, to be fair, though, I haven't been listening to anything new. I've been like so tonal vision in my own shit. If I'm jamming anything, it's not rap. I'm jamming some 3D Gray, so it's some fucking Schmack God, something like that.

Just to mix it up in your head?

Yeah, or country. I don't want to listen to rap. I'm already surrounded by it so much. That makes sense. And then, not only that, I really jam rock and country. I just If you happen to be good at rapping. You know what I'm saying?

So most of the time when you're in your car, rap and country?

Rock and country. Rocking country? Correct. I don't know why, bro. I've never dressed emo, never had an emo face or nothing. I just love that music.

That's me with the '60s rock. Like Hendrix?

Yeah, I love Hendrix.

That's how I named this podcast, The Joe Rogan Experience.

The Joe Rogan Experience. What the fuck? I even have the alien picking up the cow right there.

You do? Yeah. What do you think about aliens?

What do you think is going on with all that? I think they're in the water. I think space is a distraction. I think NASA maybe used to be in the water, and they've seen something. They scared the living shit out of them, and they never wanted to go back. I don't know. We were talking to your homeboy outside. I love the water. I think it's one of the most beautiful places ever. But if they threw me in the water, I would die of heart failure before I died from an animal in there. One of my biggest fears. But it's also something I've always wanted to do because I think it's beautiful. But it's not our jungle.

Right. No, you're so vulnerable.

Yeah, get the fuck out of here, bro.

You're so vulnerable. You're not even like... I mean, you are as vulnerable as a shark is on land. Correct. You can walk right up to a shark on land and go, Bitch.

Yeah, exactly.

You can't do a thing.

That shark fucking with That jet speed coming. He's not even going to eat you. He's just going to fucking run into you and knock your ass out. Or just take your legs.

Yeah. Just takes your legs away from you like that.

Yeah. Some people be trying to be like, No, scary movies made them like that. Yeah, no, those things are vicious. Because I don't give a fuck what you're saying.

It's just not a lot of people in the water. That's all it is. The number of people in the water is relatively small compared to the overall population. That's why they're not killing that many people. They kill somebody in Hawaii once a year.

No shit.

Yeah, man. There's a guy just got caught the other day.

The way you go hunting, do you like going fishing like that? Would you go deep sea fishing?

Yeah, I go deep sea fishing.

Damn. I'm always wanted to... So on my bucket list. I want to catch a swordfish. Yeah? Yes. I'm not talking about I want to fight for that. I want to almost fall out the boat. I really want to fight. I want to earn that shit. Fucking swordfish. I think that'd be badass.

Yeah, that's a delicious fish, too. That's a good one to catch. You eat that fucker. You're eating that fucker for a year. Yeah?

Yeah. You like boots? I love boots. Paracoup fish. Yeah? It's my favorite. Yeah? Yeah, definitely. It's definitely my go-to.

For the skin? Yeah.

Yeah? Yeah, the paracou.

That does look badass. I've seen some dude here had one. One of the guests had a pair of fish boots on.

I was like, Those are fish? Yeah. Did it look like pineapple? It looked like a pineapple.

Where the scales were. Dimons. Yeah. That's what it is?

It's a paracou fish. I like allegator. I like ear. There it is. I got both of those two. You just clicked right there, them brown ones and them black and white ones.

What is a paracou? What does that look like?

Let's look it up. I know it's a big-ass fish.

It must be. Big-ass fish. If the skin is so fucking thick, you can make boots out of it. That's wild.

I mean, there's some fish skin boots where it looked like Scaly.

Oh, look at that fucker.

Yeah, that's a big motherfucker.

Whoa. What a crazy-looking fish.

You can't tell me it's not no damn alien.

Well, that is a dinosaur, sir. Yeah, bro. That fish is probably been that way forever.

Bro, Paul tried to tell me he don't believe in dinosaurs.

Oh, that's hilarious. Paul Wall doesn't believe in dinosaurs?

What does he think happened? He just thinks it was bullshit. He thinks it was just a conspiracy theory.

There is a whole conspiracy theories that dinosaurs didn't exist.

Yeah, I'm sure. I have a friend of mine who's on that. There's a conspiracy out there that fucking Poc is still living in Greece right now.

Yeah, that's a little more ridiculous.

Yeah.

That actually is probably less ridiculous than dinosaurs not being real. I mean, what the fuck do you think those bones are? The idea that Poc is dead, it's not likely. But in a world, if you decided to fake murder someone and send that person to Spain, and they live in Spain, the problem is Pauk is too famous. It doesn't make sense. Everyone would see him somewhere. There's tourists everywhere. They'd be like, That guy looks exactly like Tupac. They take a picture of them, and then people would realize Tupac is still alive. Great. It's physically possible for Tupac to be alive, but extremely, extremely, extremely unlikely.

It's not possible for dinosaurs. I remember we still got crocodiles and turtles.

It's not possible for dinosaurs to not be real. We know too much. We know what year they died. With the carbon dating, they know which animals lived 250 million years ago, which animals lived 65 million years ago.

They know all that. I'm a huge fan of rhinos. I love rhinos. And, bro, the black rhino, one of them, I forgot which one it was, just went extinct. Bro, those motherfuckers survived pangea, survived fucking lava.

They didn't survive bullets.

They couldn't survive humans.

No. People started using them for their horns. The horns.

That's the craziest thing. They got to the point people were going out there and shaving the horns down so they wouldn't kill them.

They still do that. Like, fuck. They still do that. They shit sick. The horns are very popular in Asia, and they make a tea out of them. It's supposed to give you hard-ons.

No shit.

I mean, it probably doesn't even work. It's probably just some old wives' tale.

Even those rhinos and honeypacks. What the fuck are you all doing taking those?

In some countries, there's groups of wealthy people that want to eat endangered animals, and they get off on it. They get off on the fact that they'll have dinner and eat a tiger steak. They get off on the fact that they're eating something that's forbidden. And one of the that they like to do is drink Rhino tea because it's very expensive, very hard to get. And they'll sit around and drink rhino tea together.

Yeah, shark fin, the shark fin soup.

Yeah, shark fin soup. That sucks. Yeah, it sucks for the shark.

Yeah, it sucks for the whole thing, you're knocking these motherfuckers off for a fin.

I know. It's pretty ridiculous. It's not even that good. I had a shark's fin soup when I was a kid. It's okay. I get it.

Lever is better.

No. Lever is better for you, probably. But shark's fin soup tastes pretty good. But it's not... The way they do it is disgusting. They just chopped the fucking... If they ate the fish... You can eat sharks. They're good. They taste good. Maco shark's delicious.

But eat the whole thing.

Yeah. But then people started getting crazy because they chopped the fins off shark. You should never kill sharks. Then you're going to have overpopulation of sharks. There's places where they have an overpopulation of sharks. And if you kill them, people get mad at you. Listen, in Florida, in Florida Quays, you're allowed to kill bull sharks. Those motherfuckers are everywhere. You You see, I watch these videos of these dudes fishing in the Florida Quays because they fish off the piers, and it's a race to get that fish to a net before a shark kills it because the sharks are everywhere. There's giant bullsharks, and bullsharks are the most aggressive. And Bull Sharks live in freshwater. So a bullshark can swim upriver and get all the way to fucking Illinois. They've found Bull Sharks in the Mississippi River, like deep, deep, deep into the country.

Damn, that's crazy. Yeah.

Well, you know Jaws? The movie Jaws? It was based on something that happened in New Jersey in a freshwater river. Oh, shit. The sharks were in a freshwater river. So these people would go swimming in the river, and these sharks started fucking these people up.

Holy fuck.

That sucks. In a river. Yeah. You think, what's in that river? Trout, salmon? Nope, sharks. Sharks made it all the way up into this fresh water.

That's crazy because I love Lake Travis. That fucks me up.

Well, I think Lake Travis is okay. You would have heard by now.

Yeah, definitely.

Lake Travis is not what you need to worry about.

Where are the piranhas at? Where's piranhas at? Brazil.

The Amazon. Yeah, different parts of South America.

Bro, fucking endocondas. Endocondas, I can't believe those are fucking real.

Did you see the biggest one they just caught? No. They just found one that was 28 feet long. Bro. Yeah, there's a video of it. It's insane. It's so fucking big. I have a friend of mine, Paul Rosalie. He lives in the Amazon. He does a lot of work in preserving the rainforest. And he hopped on one and said it was so big, he couldn't get his arms around it. 26 feet long.

It's so big, couldn't get his arms around it.

Couldn't get his arms around it. Look at the size of this thing. Look how big this thing is.

And then this guy's swimming. And then this guy's swimming. And then this guy's swimming next to it. Bitch, you're crazy. Look at him.

Look how big that fucking thing is.

That thing was snapping. Fuck you up.

Look at the size of that thing's head. I mean, that thing is just steady eating everything it wants. Goats.

There's a snake. I mean, there's a snake. There's a video on YouTube of a fucking snake throwing up a kangoo.

This guy's out of his fucking mind.

Yeah, he's like, look at it.

Look at the size of that thing.

It's a pet or something.

Slithering around under that water. And they can't even breathe water. They're just under there. How does it move? They just use their legs, use They use their body to undulate.

I'd be scared of fucking shit.

Yeah, they move pretty fucking fast, too. The squid, too.

Look at that squid one. Yeah.

Well, there's a giant squid. Do you ever see that squid that they found? They found it on an oil rig. They had a deepwater camera on an oil rig, and they're like, What the fuck is this? And it looks like an alien. It was a new species of squid they'd never seen before that had like, crab legs. Look at that thing.

Yes, I've seen it. Look at this thing.

What the fuck is that?

It's an alien. That's what I'm trying to tell you, bro. They're not in space.

I mean, look at that. If that was in space, you would 100% think that was an alien. If we went to another planet and you saw that thing floating around the sky, you'd be like, Oh, my God, the magnificent alien. And everyone would I'm not going to study it.

2007? Yeah. What the fuck?

Yeah, 2007, they found that thing. Well, they've always known that giant squids were real, but I don't think they really caught them on camera until a decade or so ago.

This was in the Gulf of Mexico?

Look at that one.

That's where I'm from.

Magnipina squid attack. Look at the fucking length of that thing. That's insane. Look how long those tentacles go.

Jesus.

Are they technically tentacles? What would you call them?

And look how thick they are.

Look how long they are. Look at the bottom one. Where the fuck is the end of that thing? How long is that?

What the fuck is that swimming in the back? You see that black dot? Yeah, what is that? No, bro. See, that's what I'm saying. I would die of heart failure.

Yeah, it could be on the camera. Yeah, that's on the camera.

I'd be terrified, bro.

Yeah, you should be terrified. Look at that thing.

Do you think they sting?

Oh, yeah. They must. They do something. I mean, There's got to be some reason that it has these long appendages.

I don't know. Jellyfish are pretty...

That's true, too. But they... Oh, wow. Look at it moving around. That's how it got out of there. Oh, look at them. It's reaching out towards the camera. Look how close it got. Wow. They touched the bottom of it, it looks like. Wow.

Bro, it's an alien.

And by the way, they only know what is in 10 %.

Look how fast it's going.

Yeah. Crazy how it moves. I just guess they're so long because there's nothing down there. And the second one of those tentacles touches something, that thing is gone. That's 7,000 feet. Yeah, there's nothing there. 7,000 feet below the ocean that thing lives. Amazing.

If you go deeper, you catch the... What's those fish that was on Nemo? The fucking with the light?

Oh, yeah. Those crazy fish that live in the bottom that actually have illumination.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Some of them are in the dark and shit. Bio luminescence. They have bioluminescence. Their body actually makes light.

Do you think eventually Eventually, we'll be on Mars living? Like Earth?

If human beings don't kill themselves, eventually, we'll figure out how to get to Mars and set up a colony. I think there's probably life on Mars at one point in time. Really? Yeah. They think Mars had a stable atmosphere, and Mars had water.

Do you think that the Moon landing was real?

I don't know. I hope it's not. Really? Yeah. It's more exciting if it was fake.

Yeah, correct.

It's more exciting to know that something so big could be faked and that that hoax could last for so long. Correct. Until they go back-Dude, I bet people would be fucked. Yeah, it would be really rough if we found out that the Moon landing was fake. And there's a lot of people that think it's fake, including a lot of people that have studied it. And then there's a lot of people that think it's real and a lot of people that know a lot about it.

The cameraman had to have been the first person, not Neil, right?

Well, I think they probably had a camera supposedly set up to capture Neil climbing out of the lunar over, the lunar lander. But the fun part is that they faked it. The fun theory is that there was no way to get through the Van Allen radiation belts and that we were in a war with Russia Cold War with Russia, to who could get to the moon first, and that we faked it. That's a fun way to say it.

What does news stand for? Isn't news a...

News? The word news? Yes, sir.

Isn't that an acronym? What does it stand for? National and entertainment. I know it's entertainment. Something entertainment. Why do I keep seeing a dude right there with no clothes on?

Oh, that's Elon Musk. That's this dude, Beeple. He's a digital artist. He created us this NFT, and it also has a digital art. It's a swole.It's a gigachad. It's like super swole. Elon Musk wants AI allows you to edit your body.

I've seen this AI of Elon Musk, and he was like, A notable events. Oh, what?

Notable events, weather, and sports. That's what it is. I guess. Some people don't agree with that, too. Oh, they don't agree? I mean, there's... Okay. The World News has been claimed to be an acronym of the four cardinal directions, northeast, west, and south. However, the old spelling of the words varied from newis, newis, N-E-W-I-S, N-E-V-I-S, N-E-U-S. So what's the origin of the word then? It's not an acronym. Okay, people think news is an acronym, but it's not. Okay. It makes sense. It's like What's new? What's new? What's going on that's new? What does news mean? It stands for a notable event. Oh, it says that. No, it says it's said. Verify. Yeah. No, it's not. Okay. Who should I trust for- Collecting of new events as referred to news. No, I think that's what it is. I think it's new events. It's an acronym. See, it says there... Okay. No, the Claim. That's Snopes. Okay. I think it's just what's new. That's crazy. But people always make acronyms out of things.

Yeah. Harry Eve butt, the H-E-B. Yeah.

Here, everything's better. That's what H-E-B is supposed to be. Yeah. People do that all the time with stuff. They also do it because it makes them sound more intelligent.

Correct.

Pretended it as this. Do you know what it really means?

My cousin Romeo, that motherfucker, he be getting my stupid ass all the time, but he'll make words up, and that motherfucker, he just make it sound so real.

He commits.

Bro, I'll be like, Oh, yeah, for real? He be making me think like, damn, I got to buy a new part. You know what I'm saying? Fucking Romeo punk ass. I love that motherfucker man. I love my family, bro.

Well, one of the things I really like about you is how much you credit people and how much you You talk well about people. You're really interested in elevating people around you.

Bro, I've been dick in the dirt, bro. I know what it's like to be nobody and loved by nobody. You know what I'm saying? I wouldn't wish that it were upon my worst enemy. It's good being lonely. I like being lonely. You know what I'm saying? Give you time to think. You could fucking figure shit out. You know what I'm saying? People are headaches sometimes, too. But being lonely is fuck that.

Being lonely forever is the worst place to be. Yeah. Yeah. We need each other. That's what we were talking about earlier. To be the only person who's doing well is crazy. You don't want to be that.

Fuck that.

That's a terrible place to be.

Yeah.

And then you're surrounded by people that are mad at you.

Fuck that. All I want to do is just make friends, bro. Everywhere I go, people love me because I come correct. You know what I'm saying? I treat them good. I make them feel... People only start hate me when they feel excluded.

Right.

You know what I'm saying? Bro, you give that motherfucker a broom and tell him to go sweep and he going to be happy.

That is It's true. People feel mad when they get excluded. They feel jealous and bitter and angry. It's the walled garden. They see you having a good time over there, and they can't even be a part of that. Fuck that, dude. Fuck those people because they associate their bad feelings of being rejected with you doing something to them.

I was just one dude I've seen back where I'm from, and I was like, Man, what's up, 'cause? He was just like, What's up? I was like, I was like, Man, I could really talk some shit to you, but then I'd be down bad because you down bad. You know what I'm saying? But like, Man, I just tried to make him feel good. I was like, Man, I love you, bro. I don't love that motherfucker at all. A matter of fact, I probably have hate towards him, but like, Man, I love you, bro.

Well, you might have changed the way he thinks if you said that. When you said that and said, I love you, maybe had to confront his own shit. Why was it being a dick, that dude?

He was cool to me. Because Because he's exclusive. You know what I'm saying? Right. I love you, bro. I don't even hate you. I take it back. I don't think I hate nobody. I don't want to hate nobody.

If you can get through your life without hateing people, you'll be way better off. Yeah.

Don't get me twisted. I got grudges. I got grudges since the third grade. That's just me, though. But I don't think I hate nobody. I don't want to hate nobody.

And you wish you probably didn't have those grudges. Yeah. It's a better way to live. It is, bro. You can get through life with as little hate as possible. That's good. Because that hate... What's that old expression that hate is the only poison that affects the vessel that holds it?

Yeah, I don't know what you're saying, but I know my Bob, whenever my Tia Rose passed, we were talking about it, and he was like, She was just always mad. You know what I'm saying? Her anger is what drove her to the dirt.

There's a lot of people that live life like that. It's a defense mechanism at first. It's how you stay alive. It's how Preservation. You stay angry. Keep people away from you that are going to hurt you. Mark Twain once said, Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it's stored than anything on which it's poured. Perfect. Never solves any problem or worry. Rather, it makes us more stressful. 100 %.

100 %. Yeah, I do agree.

Yeah. If you can get through life with no hate, no anger, you'll be way better off.

My dad always said, You're going to bitch and moan about it. You're going to fucking figure it out. I think that was my words of that.

Same thing, too. A lot of life is how you address a situation. You could decide that this situation is the end of your world and life sucks down, life falls apart. Or you could say, Okay, I'll learn from this.

Yeah, correct. I can get something out of this. The glass is half four, half empty.

Where are you at from here? Where are you going?

Spi. Going to South Padre Island. That's what I'm saying. My show is, bro, my fans spoil me, bro. It's cool performing When I'm at the rodeo. It's cool doing all this other stuff, but those aren't my shows. When they're my shows and the crowd's all yours, it hit different. Like I said, bro, it's a beautiful moment. They babied me.

That's awesome, Man.

I love my fans. So South Padra Island is going to be crazy. And there's none but Raza out there. None but Mexicans out there. They finna go crazy. Nice. Bro, they treat me like I'm Michael Jackson, bro.

Well, you're the fucking man right now.

I'm trying, though. It's I'm trying.

It's an exciting time for you.

I feel like the beautiful part about my story is, I'm finna be here 20 plus years. I see myself being in this game forever because besides the fact of me just not knowing what else to do, it just comes too natural. As a fear, I always had a fear as a kid that I would eventually just stop having shit to talk about. Because in my mind, I'd be like, Bro, how do people do it? They make new songs every day. I was 13 years old when I thought that. Isn't that funny? Yeah. You know what I'm saying? I just needed to live more.

But that's every artist's fear. You're running out of things to make, running out of things to say.

And also sounding repetitive. That's another thing. It's always been a fear of mine. But like I said, it's recess, so I have no walls. I'll bounce everywhere.

Well, that's a beautiful approach. How often are you touring?

Every time I drop a project, I like to tour. I mean, I'm pretty much touring 24 fucking seven because I'm always booked, you know what I'm saying? Even when I'm not having a tour, I got sideshows and shit like that. But every time I drop a project, I like to have a tour with it. You know what I'm saying? I just dropped this project March first. It's called Texas Technician, and I'll probably work it for a month or two. And then once they have it all memorized and down, boom, I'm going to jump on the road with them. Yeah, that's it. So Texas Technician, I wanted to go with the CD just because where I'm from, even Riff-Raff, being at Sharpstown, you know what I'm saying? Handing CDs out. Check me out, check me out, check me out. That was the hustle of it. That was the beauty in it. You know what I'm saying? And I feel like I wish that was still a thing because I hold pride in handing CDs out. You know what I'm Man, that shit's cool, bro. Especially because I don't look like I rap, especially as good as I do it.

You know what I'm saying? So when they see me and they're like, Man, fuck it. That one person just going to happen to put it in. And then he hears it, he's like, What the fuck? You know what I'm saying?

You don't sound like you look. Yeah, exactly.

So it fucks them up. I like that hustle, though. I guess it's a South Side thing. I think that's a part of our music culture, though. Texas, we're handing CDs out and shit like that because we just hustlers. We don't gang bang. I mean, there's gang bangers out here and shit, but we're not politicking. We're not worried about that bullshit. We want money and pussy, for real. And you know what's the best part about it? It's salt and pepper. Pussy. Make money, take money. It can save lives. It can take lives. There's been peace over pussy. Oh, we'll give you three virgins if you just don't fuck with us no more. Pussy make the world go around.

In a lot of ways.

In a fuckload of ways.

That's our main motivation for men. Yeah.

At least the right ones.

Yeah. How many wars have been started over pussy?

Yeah, no, correct, bro. Like I said, people die over pussy all the time. Like, bro, I don't fuck dudes, bitches. Some people do that shit. I don't do that shit, bro. And if I have, I'm sorry. For real. I don't do that shit, bro. That's some whole ass shit. You know what I'm saying?

There's dudes you can't trust.

Yeah. Like a while ago, this is a long time ago, I went to go fuck on this girl, and I've seen she had a baby in on this shit. And I was like, Where are you man at? And she was like, Oh, he in chemo. And when I heard chemo, I know where he works off the rip, because in chemo, it's nothing but plants. You know what I'm saying? Refining Binary, chemical, whatever it is. And I said, damn. I said, so he drive, wake up in the morning, 3, 4 o'clock in the morning, drive 2 hours to a job I know he don't want to do, and then drive another 2 hours home to a bitch that ain't shit? I can't even fuck you. I can't even get my dick hard to fuck you. I walked out. Real life, bro. I say it all like, Man, if your man ain't shit and he not provide them, I understand why you would want to leave them. Fuck them. But, man, if you got a motherfucker that's really putting in their work and you being a hoe like that, bitch, you ain't shit. We don't even have good hos no more because I respect hos and good sluts.

You know what I'm saying? I respect strippers. I respect any woman that get up and get it. You know what I'm saying? They're not even good hos no more. Can't even find a good hoe. You know what I'm saying? These bitches are outplayed. They're all in the internet and all that extra shit. They're looking at something. They think it's something, but it's not.

That has ruined a lot of people's minds. Yeah. Perceptions from social media.

I'll be at my shows and shit, and these bitches be trying to get in my section and shit like that. I'll be like, Bitch, move. And they don't know how to handle that shit. They've never been talked to like that, never been done like that, especially by an ugly-ass Mexican like me. You know what I'm saying? It fucks them up. But, bitch, you need to be humbled. When I be at shows, I'll see a group of fine-ass women, and I'll see a big bitch right here, and I'll be like, Come here, huh? Because I'm going to boost this big baby up because she don't get that love. These bitches, they're used to it. You know what I'm saying? They almost expect it. Bitch, fuck you. You know what I'm saying? Get your big ass up here, baby. You finna' sign tonight. I like that shit, though. I love the underdogs. I love helping people win. I love seeing people that never win-win. You know what I'm saying? It just feels good. It does feel good. It feels amazing. I remember being a kid watching other kids be on America's Got Talent and shit, and they'd be singing, and I'd just start crying.

I just start crying. Fuck. It's amazing. It's amazing. It's amazing. I've never cried. I mean, I've cried on stage once, and that's when I saw the T-shirt that Homegirl made of my mama. But that hit different because my mama used to be sitting on the floor, earning $100 bills, and I'd be staying in all the bed, rapping to whatever music video was being played. She'd be like, Go, V-Man, go. So when I seen that shirt, I just looked down to close my eyes I heard, Go, V-Man, go. I looked up and I just see thousands of people. I had no choice but to cry on that one. But I've never been able to tear up because I just do this shit. So every time I get on that stage, it's so natural and so me that I'm not even thinking about emotions. I'm like, I'm here fucking this shit up. You know what I'm saying? But when I look at myself before I do it or I think of myself on stage, I get emotional. But never in the moment. Never in the In the moment, I'm there and I'm here to whip ass.

Yes, sir. I love it. Bro, let's end on that. You're a bad motherfucker. I'm glad I met you.

No, I'm glad I met you, bro. Man, I swear I'm not trying to suck your dick, bro. You're a bad motherfucker. I respect you. I love you. My father is my hero, and knowing that you're one of his heroes, it's like, you know what I'm saying? I come home with the lion's head today. So it's beautiful.

Thank you, brother. I love you, too, man. I think you're an awesome force out there. I appreciate you, and I love your attitude. I really do. I love the gratitude you have for everything and the respect you have for everything. It's beautiful.

Thanks, man. I appreciate you for your time, bro. I had fun.

Thank you for being here, my friend.

No, of course.

Go check him out, ladies and gentlemen. That Mexican OT, he's out there if you can get a ticket.Come.

On, man.I.

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