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Like, I think of that CIA guy on with the hair.

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Yeah.

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And.

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So after the pod, I guess we're up. Let's go.

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You want to go?

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We're rolling.

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Let's do it.

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So he came on, and he was very, like, forthcoming. First of all, he's very charming, but, like, when you're talking to anybody who's worked for the CIA, you're looking him through the same lens as you look at, like, a therapist, right? Where it's like, wait, are you analyzing? Like, what's.

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What's going on here?

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Very charming, very smart, very, like, seems to really know what's going on in the world. But, like, straight up told us. He's like, yeah, the CIA. You know, I guess one of the advantages I have is, like, I'm pretty close to sociopath. Like, I'm not there, but, like, I don't. I don't feel the same emotions that everybody feels. There's, like, a lack of guilt, but I know when I should feel it in these moments.

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Whoa.

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But that's a huge advantage. Imagine if you're trying to, like, find assets and flip assets. If you and I, like, build a relationship with somebody and we, like, feel empathy for them.

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Right.

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Maybe we wouldn't be able to say, hey, now it's time for you to cough up the information, or else.

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Right.

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But somebody else in that position might. So I would imagine if you are the fucking CIA, you're like, okay, we're looking for people who have gone through these things in their life that. That have curated this kind of, like, personality type.

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Well, isn't it just, like, part of the gig? Like, here's, for instance, like, your bit about Puffy, how you're gonna connect these two fucking dots. That bit is like, look, you don't have any real personal beef with Diddy, but it's gotta go down. The bits are there. I'm a gold miner. I just found some gold.

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You're right. Maybe I'm a sociopath.

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It's not that you're a sociopath. It's just that that's part of the gig.

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Yes.

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Like, you're not a sociopath with your friends.

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No, I think I'm maybe an empath.

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Yes.

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But I guess it's one of those things where, like, you justify. You go, okay, if there's. I think this person might have done something bad.

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Yes.

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And he can get jokes. And we're all gonna tell jokes. I'm not pressing fucking charges.

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Well, not only that, you're not the guy who's out there, like, calling the New York Times. Hey, you know what? I heard about Diddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You're just like. It's there. It's everywhere. My fucking news feed is dominated by Fox News, CNN, everyone. There's raids at Diddy's house. Who is the guy that was running around with a sports bra on? Did you see that one, dude?

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No.

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This is in LA.

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Oh, my God. I gotta send you.

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All the raids are happening.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He got caught up in the raid, and he was yelling, I'm a celebrity. I'm a celebrity. It was like. Like one of the most hilarious clips. Hold on. I'm gonna find you this. It's so funny.

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Mm hmm.

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Do you know what I'm talking about, Jamie?

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But you bring up a good point, which is, like, are there ever situations.

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Where you feel you won't wait, TC, this.

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Is. Yeah.

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Put your headphones on so you can hear it. See Santana? Oh, look at this.

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Wearing what appears to be a black.

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Sports bra, red tights, and the performer's.

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Signature trim beard and long eyelashes. Yeah, this is Joe. This is Saucy Santana.

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This guy's.

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Oh, wow.

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Saliva on the beard is crazy.

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Saliva.

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He definitely came from diddy party.

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Yeah, well, he was at Diddy's house.

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I bet he was.

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So I guess Diddy just kept people at his houses. Cause he's got multiple houses and he's just had freak out part.

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Look at him.

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Look at Saucy Santana.

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Go, Saucy.

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No, Saucy's crazy. Have you seen Saucy twerk?

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I didn't even know Saucy existed until I saw that video.

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Oh, Saucy can throw it down.

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This is booty by Saucy Tantana.

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Saucy.

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Oh, Jesus.

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I love this.

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You're finding out about Saucy Tana.

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So this is one of Diddy's artists.

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I don't even know if it's Diddy's artist, but Saucy's, like, a popular figure.

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Stayed at his house. Now did.

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He's in a tricky situation. Yeah, I think it's over.

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You think it's over?

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I think it's over for him as, like, a figure in entertainment.

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Right. But it's over as him. As far as he gets a cell right next to our kelly.

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I don't think so. I don't think it's gates. I. I think skates or he goes bali.

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Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a move, huh?

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I mean, Russell's out there.

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Yeah.

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You know, is he been formally charged or does he just know that the shit is out there?

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I think there's just so much shit out there.

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I think those rappers did some wild shit.

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It's.

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Yeah, I mean, it was in the nineties music business, it's a lot of.

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People, it's not just the music business, it's like, it's the extortion business.

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Well, that's. Yeah, I mean, the rap game was crazy. That's a lot of thing a lot of people don't realize is like back in the day, especially like early rap game, you weren't just going to play at, you know, what's the random theater that you would play in LA? What's like a theater? I'm trying to think the Orpheum or something like that.

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Wiltern, the Wiltern.

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Some guys were explaining to me, he was like, you would play at the local hood club. There was like a hood club that you could perform at and then that was owned by the local drug dealer that was washing money there, right? So this is where the idea of like checking in comes from. Have you heard of this term? Like checking in was basically like, hey, I wanna make sure we're good because you're gonna pay me and if I don't check in, you might rob me because you're putting me up at the hotel and you know everything that's going on. And you're a drug dealer so you don't play by the rules, right.

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When you come to Houston, you're checking in with certain people.

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Mister Prince.

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Yes, sir, Mister Prince.

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Yeah.

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You don't gotta check in, Joe.

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You gotta check in. Say hi, Joe.

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Don't gotta check in.

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I'm not in that business. I say hi.

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You've had him on here, right? Yeah, yeah, he's a legend in the game. He's a legend.

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Out of respect, I say hi.

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There you go.

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Yeah, there you go. So what is like.

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Yeah, yeah.

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How does a guy like him, like, I'm trying to think, like how do you, how do you navigate that to the point where people have this like respect and fear because of what they assume you've done in the street world, right. But you're also operating legitimately.

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Yeah.

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And nobody can get you. They try, they try.

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Well, they tried with him many times.

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And do you think they just give up?

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I don't think they have anything. They had something, they would have brought it. You know, if they have something on a guy like that, they try to get him. That's the thing. But he's clever. Oh, he's, he's a. He's playing many levels. He's like one of those dudes. You ever see a chess tournament where, where a guy walks in and there's ten different players, and he just walks and goes to each move and goes to the next board and makes a move, goes to the next board, makes a move that he beats everybody?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So where does a guy like that learn that? That's what I'm trying to understand.

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Streets.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He learns that, you know, I mean, it's all about keeping people close.

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Yeah.

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Respect, giving respect, getting respect. Making sure that, you know, you cover all your statements.

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Yeah.

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Like if you say something, you have to make sure you do it. You cover it 100% of the time. And there's probably times in his life where he's went, like, if it's poker, he probably went all in a few times. Not in terms of money, but like this decision makes or breaks me.

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Yeah.

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I wonder how many make or break moments he's had.

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Well, it depends on what's actually true and what's not true in terms of accusations, you know? Cause if some of the accusations are true, that kind of covers things, you know, when folks vanish, when someone does havracadabra. See you later.

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Yeah, yeah, that's effective. That fear is effective, man.

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100%.

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Yeah.

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And it should be because, listen, all the shit that's going on right now in the world, in America, we get so soft and we think none of that shit's gonna happen here. All that murder, war, drones, assassinations, that's not gonna happen here unless you know the Clintons.

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Yes, let's.

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You know some shit.

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Yes.

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Unless you know some shit about old Bill, and then you wind up shooting yourself in the chest while hanging from an extension cord.

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Wait, did that happen?

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Oh, yeah.

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You don't know? That guy shot himself in the chest. That seems really hard to do with a shotgun.

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This is.

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How do you do such a thing while you're hanging? This is a guy that brought Epstein to the White House at least seven times.

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What's his name?

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We'll find out. So they found him at a ranch 30 minutes from his house, hanging by an electrical cord from a tree with a shotgun wound to the chest. Shotgun discovered near the body of former Clinton aide Mark Middleton. And then they called it a suicide.

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Wow.

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Twelve gage shotgun was 30ft from the body of Mark Middleton. Was he found dead?

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Okay, so who, who. Okay, who orchestrates this is this. Is this the same thing? Where does Clinton go, hey, this guy needs to go. Or do the powers that be around a powerful person go, we already know what needs to happen?

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Well, I think they know if a dude is in contact with someone or has been talking or is about to talk.

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Meaning cooperating with the feds or something.

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I don't think any of those guys have clean phones. I don't think any of those guys don't have their houses bugged. I don't think any of those guys aren't tracked.

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Look how excited that guy is in the back.

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Yeah, who the fuck. If you're a guy that brought Jeffrey Epstein to the fucking White House to see Bill Clinton seven times and all this Epstein shit is going down and ghleens in jail, and you have information there. There's people on both sides, right? There's the people on the right that are trying to nail the people that are on the left with this. There's people that are journalists that are trying to nail the people that were involved in this, and they've managed to keep that fucking list from coming out, which shows you how powerful certain people are. That should show you a lot. That should be terrifying. The fact that Ghulain Maxwell's in prison. She's in prison for sex trafficking, yet no one's been accused of buying any of that pussy. No one's been accused of having sex with these underage girls that she is in jail for supplying.

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Yeah, that is. That is crazy.

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That's crazy.

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You own a store and there's no items left, yet. Nobody's purchased anything. Something's going on.

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Something's going on.

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Yeah.

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So I guess what I'm trying to figure out is, like, people can go away. I mean, that's what. That's what people were saying. And maybe, you know, everybody's a conspiracy theorist now, but that's what people are saying about the diddy situation. Like, when the d. When the. When the feds rolled up, you know, with the fucking Hummers and shit, they're like, it wasn't about Diddy. It was about if there were tapes of powerful people there.

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Yeah.

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Oh, I'm sure they were the ones that caught. They're like, I need to protect myself. So go in there with all the things and rip any tapes or any evidence.

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Well, Prince Harry was hanging with Diddy.

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I mean, everybody hung with Diddy. That's the other tricky thing. Like, diddy hung out with everybody. And I've spoken to a bunch of people who were like, yo, great dude. Like always there for you. Never asked for a single thing til.

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One in the morning and then freak off. Everybody says, get out of the house.

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Yeah, yeah.

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It's like the Gremlins start eating after midnight. Everybody who tells the story is like, I saw her go upstairs and these dudes are fucking, like, right on the couch.

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Yeah.

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And then I go in this room and these guys are fucking and pros.

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Like, apparently he was getting male gigolos to fuck girls that.

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Girls.

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Yeah, that's the. That was one of the rumors, like the free call. So he would hire the professional dicks to have sex with the girls, and I think he would watch allegedly.

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That's.

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That's what was alleged, I think. Yeah, it's a lot of crazy stuff going on. And that's the other thing. Like, I wonder, like, is that just a power thing?

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It's a Caligula thing.

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What does that mean?

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Caligula, like the emperor. Did you ever see that movie Caligula?

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No.

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It's about just roman empires being completely out of control. Caligula is almost like porn. And it was a movie made, I want to say, in the seventies. It's a crazy movie, but it's just detailing extreme excess where you can never fill the hole.

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But what is the hole you need to fill? I'm trying to find what's the catalyst?

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Chaos.

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What year was this? 79. 79? Yeah. That's Malcolm McDowell, right? Yeah, yeah, the dude from Clockwork Orange.

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Oh, yeah.

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It's a crazy movie, man. But it's still mild in comparison to what absolute. Have absolute power corrupts Caligula.

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Okay, so then there's the question. It's like, can you take a completely normal person, give them power, and then they become that? Or does it take a power hungry person that has this void that they need to be filled? That needs to be filled, and then when they are given that power, you see the worst version of them.

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Ask your CIA boy. I bet he's got the answers. I bet he knows the exact formula.

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To corrupting somebody or to what happens.

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What happens to these people?

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Have you ever met somebody in our business that, like, before they were popping, they were kind of a dick? And then once they became very successful, they were the biggest dick. And you're like, you were always gonna be this way. You just didn't have the power to.

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I don't know too many people in our business that are really successful, like your level or my level that are dicks.

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Yeah, yeah. Well, let me think about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are people maybe that feel they should be at a higher level and are not.

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They can kind of boss people around or throw their weight around to their assistant or their agents.

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Yeah.

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Maybe they yell when they shouldn't yell or don't have to yell or are demeaning to certain people.

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That bothers me, though.

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Oh, I hate it. I don't like it at all.

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Especially when you're demeaning to the people that can't.

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Yeah.

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Can't really do anything. They could quit, of course, but, like, this is their opportunity.

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Right. And then they feel terrible and for no reason, when the same exact situation could be handled with a hug.

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Yeah.

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You can tell them you appreciate them. You hold their hand, you shake their hand, give them a hug.

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Yeah.

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And then everybody feels good.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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That should be what the goal is. Like, you're the guy who is in this very unique, unusual situation, and you have the ability. Ability to make everybody feel better.

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Yeah.

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Until you don't. Until there's some people that you just gotta get rid of. There's some people that just feel entitled and they don't feel it. There's certain things that do happen around certain successful people. You'll see they have a few people that have resentment that are around them, that realize, like, oh, I'm a support person and I only have so much room that I can climb. I can never be Andrew Schultz. I'm always going to be this guy who works with Andrew Schultz. Or, like, I've had a few buddies that have opening acts that wind up getting very entitled and they have real problems with them where the opening acts get resentful and there becomes issues.

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And then when they're good guys, they clip them.

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They get rid of them.

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You have to.

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Yeah, you gotta get rid of them.

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Cause you can't be around someone who resents your success.

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I just had a friend who just led me through all the shit that his opening act was doing. But I've known several guys that have had that. Once things start popping, those guys feel like, hey, you know, I'm a big deal.

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Yeah.

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And they're like, you don't even. You're just like, you could be replaced with another guy who does 15 minutes. Like, this is crazy. You have an amazing opportunity. You get a chance to perform in front of these thousands of people that you would never be able to perform in front of them. And you light it up, you can move up the ladder, and then one day that could be you, and they could be coming to see you. And we've all seen that.

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And you never want to have to manage somebody like that. You want to have people around you that are excited by the opportunity, and everybody's part of the team, and we're doing this fucking unbelievable thing. And. Yeah, I guess I feel lucky I have those guys.

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Yeah.

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You've cultured a good group of humans, and then they have gratitude. And we all have gratitude. Everybody has gratitude. That's the key. But some people, they just. They're nuts. Some people are just crazy, which is why they're in show business in the first place.

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Yeah.

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And they have a distorted perception of reality, and they're not good at being objective. They're not good at seeing the big picture. You know, those fucking people can be a real problem if they're in your.

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Circle and if they're smart. The problem is, like, when you take one of those people who's intelligent, they can, like, rationalize and justify all the behaviors. That's the trickiest thing. Like, how do you. Have you been that situation where, like, you're trying to talk them out of a behavior that they have, and you're just like, this might not be the most rational way to operate. It's not really. It's like, at a certain point in time, you have to. Yeah, I guess you got to kind of let them know what you can.

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Do to cure them of it.

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I don't.

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I don't know if you can, like, tell them, hey, this is what you're doing. Like, fuck, what am I doing? I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm going to get my shit together.

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Do we have confirmation?

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Yes.

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And we're good to go or what?

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Yeah, hold on.

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Okay.

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Okay. Light it up, Joe.

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Yeah, he's. We're going back and forth right now.

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Yeah, I think there's just comfy or.

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Not comfy green light.

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Oh, really? Okay. All right.

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I think there's a lot of.

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Speaking of psychos.

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There's a lot of psychos in the world.

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Yeah.

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And I think that this is a thing. It's like there's a certain amount of people that really don't care about other people. They don't. They exist. What is the term? I guess the term is sociopath. Right.

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Well, I think sociopath just means that you don't feel, like, the guilt that a normal person would feel when you make somebody feel uncomfortable. They could potentially be in that uncomfortable situation. That reaction is just not elicited in you, and therefore you can maybe ask them to do things that would put them in a really uncomfortable situation. Like, for example, you have a podcast, right? You ask somebody, come on. There might be a really embarrassing, tough question that you might want to ask them, and maybe that's why you brought them on, or they're a really close friend of yours, and you're just like, I don't know if I want to put them in this situation in front of all these people, dude, I do.

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That all the time.

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You don't ask?

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I don't ask.

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Exactly. Because you have empathy you care about.

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Not just that. I don't need to talk to someone about something controversial if they want to talk about it. Like, if it's something they want to get off their chest or they want to discuss, because there's some misconceptions out there. Happy to give you that. That platform. But, like, play got you with you, it's. I am not that guy at all. I don't want to have anything to do with that shit. I don't like it. I don't think it's necessary.

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It feels gross.

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Also, if you're talking about a human being in one very specific issue, don't they have a lot of things going on in their life? I'm interested in the full human, dude. I'm not interested in just digging the dirt on one bad situation that you may or may not be involved in.

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You said some shit to me when I had my kid. You said, you know what's really funny? Is that when I'm talking to somebody or somebody's being incredibly annoying or they're frustrating, they're being a pain in the ass. They're being a dick. I just imagine them as a six week old baby, and it's like every one of them started out that way. This innocent, pure, amazing little thing. And life might have turned them into this life.

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Shitty parents.

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Yeah.

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Bad neighborhood. And then sometimes it's just genes.

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Yeah.

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Sometimes you get wacky jeans, man.

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Yeah.

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Sometimes people are mentally ill right from the jump.

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Yeah.

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And I don't think people like to admit that, but that's. That's a fact.

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Yeah. You know? Yeah.

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How much can you do with that?

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Not much. And then when it comes to, like, medication, what is the medication doing it? Is it dulling the mind so that the impulses don't come out? Is it ramping up your dopamine so you don't want to do those things? Like.

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Yeah, I was wondering that with, like, prozac. Like, I didn't realize how many people I knew that were on Prozac. What's he saying? Yay or nay?

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Yeah, we're good.

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Let's just do it.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Speaking of. Speaking of psycho, speaking of people that are potentially bad.

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Yeah.

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That do not have your good interests at heart and will take advantage of you and maybe are pathological in their desires to crush.

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So we're talking about Andrew Huberman's situation.

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His situation, not Huberman.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So one of the things that was left out of that article, people know.

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I assume everybody here knows exactly what happened.

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So there's an article that Andrew Huberman, an example, got ahold of a reporter and said that he's a philanderer. He's doing all these terrible things. He's a bad guy.

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Yeah.

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And so they write this long article. What they left out was that the person who accused him of all this, first of all, is being investigated by the DOJ for fraud and is in the middle of that right now. It's a very serious case. I would name the case, but that would, like, they made the lady anonymous, which is also crazy. Like, you could have an anonymous person who attacks this famous person, which is essentially whether it's true, what, the things she's saying are true or not true. The stuff she left out, the DOJ stuff.

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That's when he breaks it off.

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Exactly.

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He breaks it off.

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The DOJ contacts him because they're investigating this woman.

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And you think that that would be, like, maybe the first paragraph?

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You'd think that would at least be a part of the article. Yeah, if it was a real piece of news.

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Yeah.

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You would say, oh, this is complicated.

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What do you think it is? Do you think it could come from pharmaceutical companies?

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I don't think there's zero influence, you know, I mean, I think for sure, look, with the stuff that happened to me, that's what I was going to ask.

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Where do you think it comes from.

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That was 100% influenced by pharmaceutical drug companies?

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Political interest too.

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Yeah.

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Well, those are tied in together because they fund them. So you got pharmaceutical drug interests that a fund the network.

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Right.

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They pay for so much of the advertisement, so.

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Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can't hold them to the advertisers.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You cut.

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If.

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If the news said, no more pharmaceutical drugs. Like, let's imagine if the government says this.

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Yeah.

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The government says, no more pharmaceutical drug contributions to super pacs, no more pharmaceutical drugs ads on television shows and newspapers. No more. Then you have to fill a massive void that's missing from those ads. And you're gonna have to bring in Toyota trucks and fucking all those different things. Yeah, but you're missing out on a lot of fucking money. So if that's a giant portion of your ad revenue, you're gonna avoid all conversations about vaccine injuries.

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Yes.

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They're not gonna come up. You are gonna shut them down and go to commercial.

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Yes.

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You're gonna say, well, the studies don't show that. The studies don't. You'll talk over RFK. What you're saying is just simply not true. Vaccines are the reason why we don't have. The vaccines have never been shown to show to cause autism. Vaccines. And we'll be right back. And they go to commercial. And then it's just like the person shouted them down. They're probably getting talk in their ear.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know, don lemon, get off the subject. You know, like, there's. There's probably someone in their ear. Cause they do have earpieces.

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But here's the thing. I don't even know if they have to tell you when you know that you are being paid by someone. It's very easy to just go along with whatever narrative they support. And that's the tricky thing, because a lot of times we act like there's these, like, group of six people that are. That are disseminating this information. They're directly hitting up Don Lem and all these other people. You must behave this way. I think people fall in line. I think it's almost human instinct to fall in line. When you know who's got your back, you kind of fall in line with it. If the pharmaceutical companies are supporting 25% of your ads, or 30, whatever the fuck it is, you fall in line with it. You fall in line with the narratives of the networks you're with. If you write for the Washington Post, you probably fall in love. And when you start to ruffle feathers, your articles don't get posted. And then you realize, oh, shit, if I want my articles to get posted, I gotta write like this. My kid's in private school and I wanna build a pool. And now there's this incentive structure that's built in without anybody fucking telling you what to do.

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Exactly.

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So it's this. It's not as, like, nefarious as people assume it is. When you hear about, like, the deep state and who are these people telling you? It's an incentive structure built in and human beings wanna survive. And we start kind of doing the things that will help us survive.

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And it's all implied, you know what you're supposed to say and not supposed to say.

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It's the Clinton speaking fee, like no one wants to hear Hillary Clinton speak. Nobody ever has wanted to hear her speak, but she's getting 400 grand from Goldman Sachs after she's, you know, what was he, secretary of state? So it's like. But Goldman Sachs doesn't need to say, hey, by the way, you're gonna get speaking fees. She knows it.

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Exactly.

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They all fucking know it.

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Well, that was why during the Trump debates with Clinton, he was like, release the transcripts of those speeches.

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Oh, I love it.

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Yeah.

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I'll release my taxes. You release the transcripts.

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Yeah.

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And what is the transcript? Hey, guys, do we really need to be here, or can I go home?

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You know what I want? I want you guys to make money. Let's keep it rolling.

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So that's whatever the deep state, if you will. It's not six people.

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Well, that is like the people that are in your crew that start acting entitled when they're around you. Those are the people. The Hillary Clintons. The Hillary Clinton's are the people that are like, maybe disrespectful to the servers. And you find out about it. They sent food back, they talk. It's not the main guy, it's the support staff. So you're saying the main people are not the presidents, right? The main people are the people that are running Raytheon, the people that are running these gigantic companies that make weapons.

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Dude, that. I didn't even.

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That's where the real money is.

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Speaker one.

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When we had. When we had RFK on, I didn't even fucking know this shit. But I didn't know, like, when we're sending money to Ukraine, we're not really even sending money there. We're sending money to american military manufacturers to make weapons. And then the month the weapons go to Ukraine. But we're paying us. Yeah, but you can't really.

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But also some money goes over there, too. And that money, enough billions. And that money is like, whoo, where to go?

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Yeah.

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Dudes are doing coke and driving around Rolls Royces and.

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Boss, all that. The guy bought the. Yeah, what was it, the assistant? It wasn't the vice president, but it was some, like, government figure bought, like, some insane car. And why are you buying insane cars when you're in the middle of a war?

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How do you have the money?

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Yeah, there might be some rations you might want to buy. Okay, so, okay, so there's the system. I think Vivek called it, like, the managerial class or something like that, which I thought was a good term, but okay, the money is going to these different industries first. So it's kind of staying in America, which does, I guess, boost our economy in some way. Like, those people need to hire people. The economy starts to do. No, but I mean, like, no, for real. Like, it's like, they have to hire people. They have to pay people. Like, and that's why war is good for the economy. And if the economy is built on this military industrial complex or whatever it is, we constantly need conflict to. In order. In order to continue the positive momentum of the economy. Yes, but they can't say that. They can't go, hey, we need war in order for the economy to be good.

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They're not thinking about the economy. They're thinking about the money that they are specifically going to make from these transactions. They're not thinking about, oh, we're going to do this good for the economy. They're thinking this is an opportunity to get a massive contract. They're in the business of constantly making more money. When you're in a corporation, especially a publicly traded corporation, you have an obligation to your shareholders to make more money. You have a board. You have people that have dumped $100 million into the company, and they're staring at you like, what are we doing to maximize profits? And just like, if you're working for CNN, you know, if someone starts saying that the vaccines might be killing kids, you got to step in and go, there's no evidence for this. You got to cover. You're covering for this. Everyone's covering. And if you're the head of a corporation, it's your job to get these contracts. It's a sociopathic sort of a situation. No one's looking at it. Like, what is the big picture? Does this really need to be had? Isn't there some sort of a diplomatic approach that can be made? What were the factors that led us to get into the situation in the first place?

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What's going on with NATO? Why are they moving weapons closer and closer to Russia's border? There's a diplomatic solution that could stop the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. But no, no, make that cheddar. Let's go. Let's go and attach it to different bills, right? Like, attach it to the border bill.

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Attach it to the fucking.

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Attached to the education. We got educated those Russians about our fucking bombs. That's part of the education bill. They got to know about a Tomahawk missile, bitch. Yeah.

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So how do you.

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How do you stop that money? And the problem is it's already been embedded, right? It's like trying to tell the mob, you can't make money anymore. Like you have to do some radical things to get the mob out of businesses, right? And that's what they had to do with Giuliani in New York with the John Gotti and the families and locking everybody up like you. You can't just say, hey, guys, stop doing that. That's what they do. It's what they do. That's what they did with Iraq, that's what they did with Afghanistan, with Vietnam. They do it with everything. That's what Eisenhower warned the american people about when he was leaving office, which is one of the craziest videos in human history where he's saying the military industrial complex wants to go to war. There's a machine that wants to go to war and you have to be very careful of it.

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What is the history of this? So what, world War two, the whole country turns into. Into a war machine? Is that essentially. And which was beneficial for us, great.

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For the economy, great for a lot of things, great to unite us freedom.

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Great for not speaking fucking German for the rest of our existence. But, and by it turns into a war machine. Like Ford just starts making tanks. Like everybody shifts their goal.

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Right.

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Is that essentially what happens when.

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Well, a lot of people definitely shift their, I mean, Ford obviously kept making cars, but like a lot of people do shift their.

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But I think Ford also started making military vehicles.

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Did they make sense?

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That was my understanding is that like every business start to prioritize the war effort and then not overnight, but pretty quickly the whole country had one singular focus which was if we need to go to war, we can turn it over. It's like, I think that's what Napoleon did actually. That was one of how he was so effective. He turned the whole country into a war machine. Whereas before it was like, wait, I thought we're just lining up in the field and banging back and forth against each other. He was like, no, no, you're fighting the whole country. So then when we get to turn over and flip and Ford starts making vehicles or whatever the fuck it needs for the military effort, we have a huge competitive advantage. The money that comes in through that. In fact, check me on this, please. But like, the money that starts to be generated by that is very hard to relinquish when the war is done, right, the war stops and then people go, whoa, whoa. We were making 100 million a year during war.

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I want to go back to 20 million. Right?

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So we need more wars. Is that the idea?

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Yeah, that's, that's definitely a part of the idea. It's also connected to a lot of other things, too, that you wouldn't think about, like, subsidizing food, so subsidizing farmers. So, like, when you hear about corn subsidies, like, we have corn subsidies. That's why there's corn syrup and everything. There's, you know, we picked a crop.

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That could feed 300 million people, and it just happened to be corn.

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Well, what happened was, during World War two, they started to subsidize farmers so that they would have a surplus. So in case another war breaks out, they always have. They have food storage. They have the ability to feed the country, even if we're cut off from the rest of the world. And when you're dependent upon foreign countries for different things like grains and medicines, and that's one of the things we found out during COVID Right. A lot of medicine is made in China, and a lot of it was very hard to come by during COVID because of the transportation issues.

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Isn't that one of the issues with Ukraine, I'm sure, is that there's not with medicine, but with actual grain. Like, it's one of the largest grain producers in the world. So I think there even had to be, like, an agreement between Russia and Ukraine to continue sending out grain during the conflict.

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Wild. Wild. The rules of war are so wild. Like, when someone says it's a war crime, you know, who decides the levels? You can only kill people certain ways. Like, one of the wildest ones was also during World War one. It's a guy named Fritz Haber. And Fritz Haber, he created the Haber method of extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere. That's responsible for some crazy number today. This method is responsible for something about. See if this is true. I think it's something around 50% of the nitrogen in human bodies today exists because of the Haber method. So 50% of the nitrogen from your food has been extracted from the atmosphere by the Haber method in order to provide fertilizer for plants that we use, especially when you talk about industrialized fertilizer and commercial grade fertilizer, where they have to spray it, because the topsoil is all dead for a lot of these modern industrial monocrop agriculture establishments. So Fritz Haber creates this, but he also creates Zyklon A. He created this gas that they were using. He used the gas. They turned it to Zyklon B. They took the smell out of it so they could kill the Jews with it.

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And he also used the gas when they were gassing allied troops in World War one. This was the first time that that had been done, chemical warfare, massive fans and gas, and they would blow it onto these soldiers and kill them all. And so he was both being recommended for the Nobel Prize and being a war criminal at the same time. He's wanted for crimes against humanity. Humanity at the same time. He created the Haber method. What's the matter, Jamie? Nearly 50% of the nitrogen found in human tissues originated from the Haber Bosch process. Thus, Haber process serves as the detonator of the population explosion, enabling the global population to increase from 1.6 billion in 1900 to 7.7 billion by 2018. Reverse fuel technology converts electrical energy, water, and air, into ammonia without a separate hydrogen electrolysis process. So this is his. I mean, he was a legitimate genius, and his story is so fucking tragic. When he was leaving to go to the front lines to war to use his gas, it was so controversial. There was so much. His wife committed suicide in front of him, shot herself in the heart, and he left her to go to the front line while she was still alive.

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He left her with his 13 year old son to take care of her while she tried to kill. She eventually died, but, I mean, he was. His whole life became.

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Did he feel remorse for this?

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I don't know. I don't know. But eventually, during world War two, he was a jew, and he saw all of his other jewish friends that were scientists get pushed out and arrested and all these different things that happened to him. And he wound up fleeing, and he died while he was fleeing. I think he died of heart failure. He's probably just wracked with stress. I mean, the guy, his whole life. I mean, what did you do? What did you do? You created this amazing thing that allows nitrogen to get into the soil and feed millions of people, stop starvation for millions of people. And you also created the gas that's killing your own people in concentration camps. And you also created war crimes by being the first government, the first army to spray chemicals at the troops. That just kills everybody indiscriminately. Men, women, children, anybody downwind, dead.

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So then who decides? Like, when is there the conversation where all the countries unanimously agree on what are war crimes and what are not? Like, you can kill someone with a bullet. That's okay.

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Mm hmm.

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Right. As long as they are not an innocent civilian.

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Yeah, but then what about metadata? Right?

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What does that mean?

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Do you know how they target some people with bombs? Okay, so let's say you're a terrorist, and let's say you're hanging out in this building and the government knows where you are because they have your cell phone. So they have the metadata of yourself, so they know your cell phone is in this room.

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Boom, game over.

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Everybody dead. Everybody dead. Not just you, not just me, not just Jamie. Security staff.

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This is drones.

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People next door. Yeah, that's what they do.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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So you know what the percentages of innocent people that die in drone strikes?

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99, we don't know.

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Really, because here's the problem then.

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This is.

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This has to be like, we have to be kind of honest about this. Like, they lie too, right? Like they'll say I'm a bad guy. Right? They'll say, oh, you killed 30 children. And, you know, they'll take photos and you're. So you're getting some of the information. As far as the.

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They never go.

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Good shot, right?

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Yeah.

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So we don't know the exact numbers. There's estimated numbers, but for sure it's not more bad guys. For sure it's more innocents than it is bad guys. And the high estimates are in, like, the 80 and 90% of innocent civilians that die in drone strikes.

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And what is the justification?

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Cause there's a bad guy over there, we gotta get that bad guy, and it's in another country. So when it's in another country, you can kinda get away with some shit.

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But also, I imagine the justification is like that one bad guy could have killed hundreds of thousands of good guys.

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That's.

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That's their steel man argument for it, I imagine. Because they also have to have a justification. It can't happen without them going, hey, we thought about this.

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Exactly.

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And then imagine the person that you need to pull the trigger on that or push the button.

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Right.

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Like the constitution that they have to have. Yeah, that's a lot of guilt. This goes back to the sociopathy.

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Oh, they have massive PTSD.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Those people that run, they say it's a unique form of PTSD because they weren't really there.

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Right. They're behind a fucking video console, Xbox controller. Have presidents ever said that? Like, have. Like, did Lincoln write anything about the death toll during the Civil War? Like, I wonder if even modern day, like, does Obama talk about it? The people that died, the bushes?

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Like, I think you can't.

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George Bush has handled Iraq better than anybody in history.

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Just been painting. He's just painting dogs and shit, giving.

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Little fucking lozenges to Michelle. Like, there's nothing that's going. And maybe you need somebody that's kind of not got a lot going on up there to do it.

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Well, I don't think it's a coincidence that they made movies about Dick Cheney afterwards. They made him out to be this monster.

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I feel like that's taking all accountability away from the guy who was in charge. It's very easy to be like, yeah, it was just him. This guy's got to co sign it too. And that's the job. If you're the head coach of the team and the assistant coach is making all the bad decisions, we still blame the head coach.

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Right.

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He's also the son of a great man. And you know, when your dad is Herbert Walker Bush, who was the head of the CIA, and you know, you are second fiddle. You're good at taking directions and that's why you'd make a good president. You're a good handsome man. We're going to smoke them out of their holes. You look like a president. And then let's look at old Dick. Take things behind the scenes and just look at the evidence of what they did. Right. One of the things that they give Halliburton no bid contracts for fucking billions of dollars to rebuild Iraq. How wild is this? That the guy was the vice president.

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What's on the board?

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He was, he was like the fucking, he was the head of Halberd.

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Was he getting a piece during his vice presidency?

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Yes.

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Yeah, that seems like a conflict of interest. He's blowing these places up.

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It's like their decisions that are causing these place to get blown up.

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If I make money on building.

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Dick Cheney resumes role as chairman of Halliburton company. Oh, he's back.

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Wow. Maybe.

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When is this?

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I don't know.

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This is after he left office. I might have 2000. So yeah, this was actually before.

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Right.

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Well now this is during the Bush administration.

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Right.

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Effective today, 2000. He became president right around right then.

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Right.

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He resumed his role while he was vice president. No, that's. I don't. I thought, I mean, I misread what.

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Was happening here cuz it said.

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But it says I clicked that first here. Right. Cheney will succeed Bill Bradford. Click it again. But then the second old.

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Okay.

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Dick Cheney resumes role. This is a new article. It says so look what it says. Dick Cheney has resumed role of chairman of board of Halvern effective today, February 1, 2000. Will also continue. That's weird that it just came out weird. Continuing his current, also continue his current position as chief executive officer of the company. Joining Halliburton. So this was right before the election. I think this is the announcement when. Yeah, that guy got confused.

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Speaker one.

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But February 1, 2000 means he's already in office. Correct. Or is it 2001? It's January 2001 that Bush goes into office. Right.

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Election was 2000.

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Yeah.

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So this is eleven months earlier. So is he even named as vice president yet?

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Not. Is he running with him at that time?

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Became vice president January 20, almost one year later. Exactly right. But I'm saying, is he named as vice president during the. As a running mate? I'm checking when they. Right, because that's generally a little later. Once someone wins the primaries, they announced their vp.

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Yeah, but if you're not actually president, you can hold another position. Or vice president. If you're not actually in government, you can up to that.

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I'd like to meet.

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GW says you'd like to meet him.

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What would you ask me to. I would just talk to him about. I wouldn't want to dig. I would just talk to him. I just want to find out what makes him tick.

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What do you think?

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Halbert and reportedly reached the agreement on July 20 to allow Cheney to retire with a package of an estimated 20 million. Let's go, Dick. I mean, pulled it off, man.

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Do you ever wish you didn't know all this stuff?

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Yes.

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The ignorance is bliss.

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Yes. I feel a tremendous weight of the amount of people that pay attention to the shit. I say it's a tremendous weight. So you feel like there's some things, like, I would rather just be a hayseed just fucking hanging out on my farm in Kansas, shooting deer with bows and arrows.

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That's what I was gonna ask. Like, when you're out shooting deer, that's.

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My favorite time that I'm disconnected. I don't have cell phone service. I don't have shit.

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You're not thinking about the deep state?

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No, man. I'm thinking about mountain lions, and I'm thinking about bugling elk.

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Yeah.

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I'm thinking how my cardio is. Do I get enough electrolytes in me this morning? Make sure my protein take is right? You know, I'm going eight fucking miles a day, and you like hard shit.

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That's something I've noticed about you. And I think it's a really important thing to. It's an important quality to have as you achieve more success, because with success, life can get easier. So if you're not addicted to difficulty and, like, hard situations, it's easy to just kind of fall into the comfort of nothing. Because there was a guy who had on the podcast, Russ, who's just. Who's awesome artist, but he was like, yeah, once you get money. Like, things become easy, and then anything that's not easy, you get very anxious about and fearful of. So you like hard things. You admire David Goggins because he's doing hard shit all the time.

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Yeah.

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I think a lot of times people don't like hard things, and then when they get success, hard things make them anxious and they stop doing hard things. And hard things are what make us successful. When we have nothing, we have to do hard things. We have to go up in front of crowds that might not be good. We have to go run fucking really hard. We have to work out really hard, whatever it is. And I wonder if that's when kids who grow up with very wealthy parents are not used to hard things and they don't really have to do anything hard. And if they don't have that as a core value to them, that doing hard things is good. Of course they're going to be anxious about everything. Of course they're going to use drugs. Of course they're going to be bored out of their fucking mind. So it's one of those things that, like, I don't know. As I've gotten potentially more comfortable life, I, like, have to, like, force myself to do things I'm afraid of, or I do think that I would just kind of get weak and fall apart.

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Comfort is a warm and enticing poison.

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Yep.

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And it's a slow poison.

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Yep.

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You can take a little bit of it on the couch, just relaxing.

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And it is nice.

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Little of it. It's nice. But don't let that get into your veins because it'll make the rest of your life harder because you're going to encounter hard things. And if the hard thing that you don't voluntarily subscribe to, the hard thing that you don't force yourself into, isn't harder than the other things in life, you're going to have a hard time managing.

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Yeah.

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And it's voluntary.

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It has to be voluntary.

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You have to choose it.

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You have to have discipline. There's a. I think characters like cardio. I think you have to keep it up. Yep, I do. I really do. You take a few weeks off of cardio. I think that's the same with character, and I think it's the same with doing difficult things and also self assessing, honestly, knowing where you fucked up. Like, there's moments that you have, I'm sure in your life where you look back, it might have been ten years ago, you're like, fuck, why did I say that?

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Dude? Yes.

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I didn't need to.

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Yeah, I didn't need to say that.

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I shouldn't have said that. God, I was just. Wrong place, wrong time, wrong headspace. Why did I do that? I was drunk. Why did I say that? Why did I do that? You know those things. You should know those, too.

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Yeah.

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You don't absolve yourself of those things. Yeah, no, those things are real. And just always, constantly strive to do better. The problem is, when people fuck up, they think of themselves as that fuck up. And that's a difficult thing for someone with a bad past. Like, dudes have been in jail. It's really difficult for them.

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That becomes their identity.

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It becomes a part of who you recognize. That's a part of your behavior characteristics. You don't think of yourself as the best you. When you made the right decision, when your friend calls you and you could tell him, I'm busy, bro. I can't help you be like, I could put that shit aside, go help my boy, and go help your friend. And then you show up for him, he's like, dude, you're here for me.

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Thank you, brother.

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I appreciate it so much, man. And you're helping him fix his tire or move or whatever the fuck it is. Those moments, man, like, unite human beings. They're like, very, very important moments. And that's what everybody should strive for. You should strive for the moments when you worked really hard at something and you accomplished it. When you didn't want to get through a workout, but you did it when you finished the marathon, when you apologize for being out alive, when you told people how you feel about them, even though it felt vulnerable. I love you so much. You inspire me. You're an amazing human being, and I'm so. I'm so happy you're in my life. That's what we all should be aspiring towards.

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Yeah.

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Aspiring to be better versions of ourselves.

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And aspiring to put ourselves in situations that we fear. Like, everything you want is on the other side of what you fear. There's somebody said that, and I really believe it, though. Like, every situation I put myself in that I'm scared of or anxious about that even if it doesn't work out perfectly, I do feel this confidence boost that I at least tried.

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Yeah.

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You know what I mean? I at least fucking tried. I was scared of doing it, and I fucking tried. And then if it works out, it's the best feeling in the world.

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Yeah.

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Pussy out. That's the worst.

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That's the worst feeling.

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It is the fucking word. That's the importance of, like, I don't like, the nice thing about stand up, I guess, is it, like, we know that we can't take months off.

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Right?

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It atrophies fast.

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Fast weeks off. Yeah.

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It's like, we have to go. We have to constantly go up and, yeah, there are things in life that are a million times more difficult that people have to do, but it is one of those things that's built into the thing that we kind of love, which is we have to keep doing this. And every time we try something new, it's bad.

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Yeah.

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But we're also addicted to that accomplishment vibe, that accomplishment energy. Like, when you get that feeling is amazing feeling of, fuck, I did it.

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I also like the chaos of it. I like it when there's, like, I was hanging on the beach with my wife on something, and, like, I'm really bad with vacations. If I don't have things to do during it. I can't just hang on the beach. I cannot do it. If I'm surfing, I can do it. Or if I'm playing paddle, I can do it, but I need to do shit. Give me something to do right. And my wife knows. I don't care if we're looking at the coliseum. I'm learning. I'm asking the fucking tour guide questions. I need to do a thing.

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Yeah.

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Because if I'm not, my brain goes fucking crazy. It needs to be occupied.

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Yeah.

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I'm lucky that I have that. Imagine I was really comfy doing nothing.

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Yeah.

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Why would I do anything?

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It's a superpower. It's.

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It's.

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But it has to be managed. It's like having a Ferrari engine, you know?

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What do you mean?

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If you have a Ferrari engine, you know, in a fucking Toyota Corolla.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Like, that shit. Doesn't have the tires for it.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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You're into a tree, you know, you. You have to learn how to manage that kind of a mind. And you've built up a suspension and wide tires and strong carbon fiber, ceramic brakes. It's like you gotta have all those things.

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So is that what you're constantly doing? Are you constantly looking for more shit you're afraid of in your life?

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Well, difficult things. I like difficult things. I like. That's how I like cold, plunging. I like it because it's hard, people. I hate it. I fucking like it.

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Yeah.

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I don't like it.

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Yeah.

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Every time I'm about to do it, there's this little bitch ass part of my brain.

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It's like, don't do this.

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And the other part of my brain is I've built up over the years, like, shut up, pussy. I'm the boss.

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So it's building the discipline. It's not even like, okay, yeah, there are great, what is it? Not side effects, but there are great main effects coming. The inflammation goes down, whatever. But it's more about building the fucking discipline to do the shit you don't want to do.

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Yeah, but also because it's good for you. If it was bad for me, if I didn't want to do it, and every time I did it, it was killing me a little bit, I wouldn't do it. But I do it because I know it's. And I know you feel great when you get out of it.

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But Goggins, I'm sure running all those fucking miles, like, his joints are destroyed, his feet are fucked up. There's a certain point of diminishing returns.

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Yes. But also you have to have the outlier, which is you have to have the dude that's pure mind. That's all just on the drive. And that's goggins. You have to have the guy.

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So he's the extreme version of disorder.

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Uncommon amongst uncommon men, amongst all the psychos out there. He's king Psycho.

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So it's not that he, it runs long, it's that he will do the thing despite that little voice inside of him saying, you don't want to do this.

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Just tell you, he has that voice. He was. I stare at my sneakers sometimes for 30 minutes before I put those motherfuckers on.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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He'll tell you, but he always wins. It's like, dude, when I'm taking the lid off that cold plunge, as I'm taking it off, there's like, don't do it, don't do it. I'm like, shut the fuck up.

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You got three more EPs of Shogun.

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I set my watch and I climb right in.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And because I get through it every day, I gotta. I start the day off with a win. I won. I beat the inner bitch.

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Yeah.

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I conquered the inner bitch. I got in there, and then I do the workout.

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That's.

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That's win number two, you know? So by the time the day is over, I've done shit that most people will never do.

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What do you feel when you're on vacation? Do you feel like a crazy person?

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Do you feel like a wolf on a fucking pool tour in the ocean?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Just going, what am I doing on this fucking thing?

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Is your wife going, hey, you need a chill out.

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I know how to do it. Now. First of all, every day starts out with a workout.

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You have to. Yeah, I told them. I told. I was like, listen, we can go to these places the first 3 hours of the day. Yeah, I'm doing what I need to do.

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Yeah.

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Once I calm it all down, let's fucking drink a whatever on the beach. I don't care. Yeah, but the first three need. I need to do what I need to do.

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I need breaks. Breaks are good, but I don't really need a vacation because my life is awesome. I love it. I love. I've cultivated a wonderful life. I love my family. I love my friends. I love my jobs.

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Yeah.

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So I'm happy. I'm a happy dude with what I do. So when I go on vacation, it's like, okay, I just want to just have fun with the family, but I have to do something about this thing.

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And your family knows this bitch?

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Yes, they know me.

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What are your kids? Are they like, okay, he just needs to work out.

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They get it.

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Did you have it, too?

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Yeah, yeah, they both have it.

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Really?

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They both have some psycho drive. One of them for art, the other one is gymnastics.

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And when you see it manifested, like, for example, do you see them looking like the wolf? When you guys are on vacation, do you see them kind of pacing?

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They have to do things.

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You have to get busy.

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Like, I had a conversation with my middle daughter at one point in time. She was like, when we first moved here, she was real anxious. And I go, you're a racehorse. You got to get back to racing. You got to get back to competing again. And as soon as she went back to that, everything was fine. She just was like, you know, didn't know. We're in a new place, making new friends. But there's, like, physical anxiety that comes with being a human being that I think activity diminishes. And you need something like that. You need the hardest thing of your day to be something that you choose. You know, it might not be, obviously, circumstances or random, and you could have a terrible thing happen to you. But if you've built up your understanding of how to get through difficult things, it'll serve you in everything you do. And if you do it voluntarily, then you've gained control over your mental process. You want us in?

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Yeah.

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Let me get on. So, with the kids, do you. Is this something you instill in them.

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Or is it so much? Man, you gotta be real loose handed. You gotta let them be their own thing. They're their own little people. It's very fascinating.

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Are you rewarding and lighting the fire? Once you see that they're really drawn.

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To something, for sure. Yeah.

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So you wait for them to choose, and then you lean the fuck in.

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Yeah.

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Well, you just. Praise is very important for kids. It means a lot. It could really motivate them to excel to higher and higher levels.

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Is that easy for you to give them the positive encouragement?

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Oh, it's so easy.

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Yeah.

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My youngest is an insane artist, dude. Let me see. I'm gonna show you this. She's 13.

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Oh, wow.

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Dude. She was doing crazy, crazy work when she was six. I showed one of her things to David Cho when she was, like, six or seven. He was like, holy fuck, man.

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I did.

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She's crazy talented.

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Jesus.

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Yeah. And how old is she? She's 13. She'll sit and she'll draw for hours and hours, man. Just completely, completely locked in and focused. And, you know, when I was young, I wanted to be a comic book illustrator, so I was an artist when I was young, but I wasn't as good as her. I wasn't as good. I don't think I'm as good as her now. She's 13.

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Do you.

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It's crazy.

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Do you find yourself competing with them at all?

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No. No, no. Unless we're playing games.

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That's what I'm saying.

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Yeah.

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I'm gonna win you okay?

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Oh, yeah.

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Okay.

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You won't give them a. You won't give nothing.

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No.

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Interesting.

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No.

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Does it drive them crazy when they lose?

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No, they win. They win a lot, man.

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Okay.

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Okay. Okay.

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I took.

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We did virtual reality, and my 13 year old beat me at this sword fighting game, and she fucking loved it. She killed me. And it's like one of these. You know what sandboxes. You don't do sandbox.

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Oh, this is the.

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It's the dopest sandbox. You're in a warehouse.

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Okay.

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I love it. You have a haptic feedback vest. My favorite one is the zombie one, but we compete the zombie one, too.

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This is a console that you're wearing, like a VR goggles.

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You go to a place. It's called sandbox VR. It's a big warehouse, and inside these warehouses, they have these spaces that are a little larger than this room.

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Okay.

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Okay. And in the space, they give you a virtual reality headset. They give you a haptic feedback. You feel like you're getting hit or you get grabbed by zombies, and then they give you a gun. You have a plastic gun. Okay. And then you see yourself, you see everybody. Everybody's like tactical ops outfits on and shit with helmets. And you're like, woo. You high five, you dance, you see each other dressed as these characters, and then, you know, it's basically mapped out to the size of your body. And they put you in these things, so. And then, like, they drop you off in Deadwood Mansion, and Deadwood mansion is this haunted house and this, like, crazy scientist who've developed zombies and the zombies start invading the house, okay. And you're just gunning them down. And we always compete to see who kills the most zombies. But I have a lot of gun experience. I fucked those gun zombies up, man. I, at one point in time, had number three in the country or the number three score in the country. Yeah, bro. I went, so this is it. So let me just give you a pro tip.

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If you want this, you want this game, get the shotgun. Shotgun. Face shots. You want face shots on zombies?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Don't be fucking around with the legs. See, the machine guns are fun and everything like that. And you reload by just going like this.

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Yeah.

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Point the gun down and it reloads, bro, it's so fun. I'm so addicted to this game that you're in this house and it's all like dark and shadowy and shit. And the. The light from your pistols. What's lighting these zombies? Yeah, bro, it's so much fun. But. But, yeah, I always try to win. I try to kill the most zombies. So at the end of the day, you get the VIP.

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What is the VIP?

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The VIP is the most valuable player.

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The MVP.

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Yeah.

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It's vip, though. Very important player.

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Okay.

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Or MV. I don't know if they say MVP, but either way. Yeah, I always win. That shit.

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Yeah.

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Cannot go away.

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Right.

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As long as it's like, you're just understanding that everyone's just trying their best.

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Yeah.

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So when they beat you, like, oh, my God, if they beat me at a game or something like that. Like, God damn it. Yeah, they love it. They love it.

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Like, you got me.

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Yeah.

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But it's fun when they win. It's fun when they beat you. It's your child that's doing something really good.

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How old are they now?

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13 and 15, the youngest ones.

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Okay. And when they were. Are there moments that you.

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How old is your kid now?

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Eight weeks.

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Wow.

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So, yeah, I'm like, are there? Everybody I talk to goes. It goes by really fast. That's the first thing they all say when I say eight weeks. And what are the moments in this stretch that you wish that you kind of held onto longer or you didn't realize how amazing they were until they were gone.

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I don't really think like that.

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Nothing.

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Okay.

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I don't think like that. I'm happy.

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Yeah.

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You know? And I'm happy they're healthy, and I'm happy that, you know, look.

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Yeah.

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I have friends that have kids that have real problems, real health problems, and it's the most heartbreaking, devastating thing to see someone going through the real struggles of a kid that is your child, that's all fucked up. So number one was healthy.

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Yeah.

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Like, everybody was like, don't you want a boy? I'm like, I want healthy kids.

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Yeah.

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I don't care if it's a girl or boy. I really. I genuinely didn't care. I just want them to be happy and healthy. Well, you don't like girls. Like, what are you saying?

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Yeah.

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You only want boys.

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Yeah.

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If I had boys, it would come with the added responsibility of training a psycho, because I'm assuming they're gonna be, like, a little me.

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Yeah.

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And, like, if I didn't find martial arts, I would have been a real problem.

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Wait, what do you mean?

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If I didn't find some outlet, some competitive, like, dangerous outlet to test me as a man. I was an angry kid, man. It's not good to grow up a boy and be an angry boy and not have an outlet because you won't have control of it.

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But why do you think you were angry?

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I think a lot of it is genetic.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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There's a lot of. I think a lot of people, like, what's inside of them is genetic. It's learned experience. It's been around violence when I was young. There's quite a few things that I think are attached to it, but I think there's some part of it's genetic. There's some part of drive. I think that's genetic, too, which is interesting when you see your kids have it.

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Yeah, I've talked to friends about that who have multiple kids, and they can see it in some and others, they just don't really see it out of the box.

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They're different.

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Yeah.

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Like, my 15 year old is, like, hyper focused on things, hyper focused on athletics, hyper focused, but also very loved. Like, doesn't have this desire to prove herself. Like, I had. I was like, I'm not a loser. I'm gonna show everybody that I'm not a loser. That was, like, my drive as a kid and martial arts were the first thing that I ever did where I was like, hey, I'm not a loser.

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It's also the most humbling thing.

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Oh, the most humbling? Yeah, the most humbling. But I got good at it quick.

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I was very lucky, but there's always someone better. I don't know, but I got lucky.

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That I was going into it at the right time. I had some athletic experience, like I had done. I had wrestled, I'd done baseball. I'd played some sports. I wasn't, like, totally inept. I was a. When I played baseball, I was so selfish. I would never try to get on first home run or I strike out, and they would always tell me, just get on base, like, right? And I'd get up there. I don't give a fuck what you just said. When that ball's coming, I'm either going to be a loser or a hero. Let's go 100%. I never did not try to hit a home run. And they would always be mad at me because I could hit home runs, but I could also strike out. I struck out a lot, but if I connected, I fucking crank. I sent that ball flying, and I loved it. I loved watching that ball fly over the fence, like, yeah, I am never not going to do that. Like, if you tell me, like, just bunt, suck my dick. I'm not bunting. I don't give a fuck if we lose, I don't care.

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That's why you can't do the team sports. That's why it has to be the one on one.

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I'm not interested. We lost. Cause Billy dropped the ball. Fuck yourself.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I did.

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Yeah.

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I know what I can do. When it's my time at bat. I'm in home run.

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Interesting.

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So when I found that there was martial arts. Yeah, I'm going for the home only. It's just me.

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Yeah.

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And I can get better based entirely on how much effort I put into it. Then I just became obsessed.

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You still love the camaraderie.

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I love the camaraderie, but you learn from the other people that are also doing the thing. I wasn't competitive with them where I had to be better than them. I wanted to be better than the people I was competing against. And they helped me to use better because are who? These are the people I train with.

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Okay.

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Yeah, those are family. I'm still very good friends with one of my guys that I trained with back then.

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Really?

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I talked to him all the time.

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Yeah, yeah.

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I've known him since I was 52.

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Guys.

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Two of those guys I've known him since I was 15 years old. One of them is just out here to visit.

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It's.

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It's funny that you see it even in martial arts. Like, you know, when a guy wins, the first thing he does is often compliment his coaches and his team 100%.

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And you're everything we need.

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That.

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We need that shared. I've always got that in team sports. I love that. Like, a team win, like, with me and four other guys playing basketball when we're not as talented as the other team.

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And you win.

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But we win.

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Yes.

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Just going out for beers afterwards, talking about our. I mean, we're old fucking guys, but.

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That'S more of a cooperative thing than being at bat. That's the thing about being a bat, though, is like, uh uh, this is just me.

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Yeah.

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Like, I'm not passing them. Look, if I could pass the ball over to you and you're open and you can get a clean shot, I would 100% do that if I was playing team sports.

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Yeah.

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I wouldn't be greedy like that.

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Yeah.

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But baseball.

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Yeah. You going for it?

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It's just me.

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Yeah.

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You going for it? That ball's coming.

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It's going.

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I'm saying we only need a single drip bit. Cause they would always get mad at me. I had this one coach. It was, like, very strategic, always trying to win. And he knew that if he put me up there, I was cranking that ball.

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Yeah, but that is.

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But I just wasn't designed for baseball. But that's you in life, though, right? But if I could figure out something where I would be 100% of my own, you know, when I got in there, like, fighting, it's a hundred percent you or comedy.

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You built this team. You built all these friends, this community. But when you're on stage, it's all you.

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It has to be you.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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But those people also help you get better. Like, when I'm doing shows and Shane Gillis is on the show and Ron White and Brian Simpson. You put strong guys on, and I'll go on stage an hour and a half into that, dude.

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How funny is Darren?

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Derek is so good.

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Eric has grown.

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He's grown so much. And being at the club, like, he's.

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Doing so many sets, he's just great.

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He's going, little boy, fat man. He's going back and forth to the rooms. He's doing all these sets on the road with you.

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Yeah.

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And he's a true, like, team guy. Like, he comes from sports in that way. Like, he's like, he wants the show to be great.

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Yeah.

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He wants to great humans.

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He's a gem of a human being and a happy sweetheart of a guy. Everybody loves Darren.

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He's so grateful for you, man. And just the grateful experience, like, well.

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He was one of the first guys to take a chance to come out here.

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Yeah.

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You know I'm with you, Joe.

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Yeah.

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I'm like, all right.

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And he is like, if he says that, he means that shit.

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Oh, yeah, yeah.

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And watching him grow, dude. Like.

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But he knew also when I told him I was going to do it, I'm like, we're going to do this.

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Yeah, we're going to do this.

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It's going to be the greatest club in the world.

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Yeah.

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Which is crazy thing to say to pop up a scene in the middle of Texas. But we did it.

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It's insane.

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But we did it because of guys like Derek and guys like Assange and Brian Simpson and Tony Hinchcliffe. Those guys are moved here early. Tom Segura moved here early. When he says I'm in. When Tom Segura said I was in, like, early on, I was like, oh, shit, this is happening. Because Tom did it early in the pandemic. I started. I bought this house. I sent him a video from my backyard. I go, boys, what are you doing?

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Get the fuck out of there late.

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So fire. I go, no one here has a mask on. I go, I think this is bullshit. Come down. Let's have a. Let's have a good time. Let's hang out.

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Yeah.

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And Tom was like, I'm in.

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He was.

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He came out here early.

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That means a lot to you. I felt, because it was a crazy.

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Chance I was asking people to take.

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Yeah.

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It wasn't just, I'm gonna open up a club in Pasadena. It wasn't like, I bought the ice house.

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Yeah.

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Like, if I bought the ice house and there's houses for sale for a while.

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Yeah.

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And you know, I do. Jerry bus bought it. Right.

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Owner, the Lakers or whatever, and they redid it.

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And I'm super happy that they did that because it's an amazing club and I love that place. But at one point in time, I was thinking about buying.

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I remember you telling me that.

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I was like, maybe I just buy that place. But if I ask guys to come to the ice house, that's easy. That's a 20 minutes drive, no sacrifice. You stay in your same house. It had to be all those factors happening at the same time. It had to be COVID. It had to be this weird way that they were governing these cities and that they weren't doing it in other parts of the country, particularly Florida and here. And also that you couldn't do standup. You couldn't do any stand up in LA. They were stopping outside. Stand up at the parking comedy store. In the parking lot. They wouldn't let him do comedy outside. Yeah, it didn't make any sense. It was all crazy, and it was going on forever. And we were out here doing shows and we were putting it up on instagram, and I was like, this is.

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What the fuck is happening.

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Yeah, these motherfuckers are doing shows.

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Yeah.

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You know, and we first started doing live shows indoors in November of 2020, and it felt so wrong. It's like, what are we doing? I did one weekend out here in July of 2020, and I decided after it that I couldn't do it anymore. I didn't get sick, but I was like, but what if I did? And what if I gave it to someone? And what if that person died? Like, what if I gave it to a guest?

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You felt a responsibility.

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I was terrified.

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Yeah.

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Because I feel like I would. I would never forgive myself if I had some wonderful, sweet scientist as a guest and I gave that person COVID and they wind up dying because I was so selfish that I had to go on the road and do stand up.

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This is the empathy thing.

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Yeah.

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So I was like, I can't do that.

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You're not a sociopath.

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Well, it's also just.

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You're not good for the CIA, Joe.

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Terrible for the CIA. I'll be terrible. I would good. If you get me in that UFO program, though, I'll keep my mouth shut.

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What is this?

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Get me in the UFO. Show me what you got. Show me what you got. I won't tell anybody.

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Do you think they got.

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I'll be a disinformation agent for you. Just want to know. I will say whatever you need.

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Now, what if they say to you, Joe, you can take the UFO for a spin, but don't floor it. You can bunt in the UFO.

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I would listen because I don't want to turn to jelly if you're going faster than you.

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What if they said, there's no way that you can die in this machine? It's built in a way where you cannot die. But we're asking you to bunt.

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I would, but you'd have to. But you have to bump because you're.

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Going to have to come back to.

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Come back to the ground. You're going to have to land that thing, and they're going to kill you.

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All right, fair enough. They're going to fucking put you on.

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An airplane with one of fucking poop boys over the adriatic sea. Listen, man. No, yeah, yeah.

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You gotta.

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Look, if they get you in the UFO, first of all, I wouldn't ask to pilot it. I just like, you just want to do it for a spin.

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Show me.

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Show me what the fuck this thing does. Where did it come from? Where'd it come from? And then. And then. And then I say, okay, so what do I tell them? China? I'll tell you whatever. Chinese, man. So that's how they're super advanced.

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That's the last thing for you. It's UFO. It's. If once you feel that, well, it.

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Would suck to go to your grave and not know, because it seems like something for. It's not what I thought when I was young. When I was young, I thought, UFO's are probably real. But a lot of these stories are bullshit. And I don't even know if UFO's actually are real or if people are just liars, or if it's something that we want to believe because of science fiction, right. Orson Welles and all that stuff. But now I don't think that anymore. Now I think because of talking to guy. Well, you. You and I went to dinner with Bob Lazar before he did the podcast, which was how fascinating.

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I always tell people I believe he believes it.

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Yeah.

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That doesn't mean that it exists, but I don't think he's a liar.

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I don't think he's a liar, either, but I don't know, because some people are really good at that shit.

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Again, I'm just going off of, like, the vibe. Just the vibe that I got.

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Yeah.

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But the vibe is hard because he wants to believe.

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I remember at the dinner, he's like, listen, I'm not here to prove it. I don't even need to do it. I don't like doing this. It hurts my life. He said all the. Maybe the right things, but he didn't come across as so charismatic. Like, usually people are really good at lying, or very charismatic.

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Also, they lie about other stuff, too.

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Yeah.

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I mean, I didn't know enough about him to say, but, like, he didn't have the charisma of someone that could, like, trick and manipulate me. He came across as pretty authentic and almost kind of rattled by the whole experience. Like, it was. It almost felt traumatic when he was talking about it. Yeah, it did.

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He told us something, too, that made a lot more sense, because one of the things that he's criticized about is his education background. He said he went to MIT, but he said there's no record of him at MIT. He's like, yeah, because there wasn't a record of me at MIT because I was involved in a program that you can't really say. We can't say what he was involved in. Yeah, but when you hear what they're involved, what they were actually working on, you go, oh, yeah, well, that's. You're not even supposed to do that. So I would imagine that if you're gonna get educated in that, it's not important that you get a degree that shows that you learned it from these people. What's important is you get the information that you need in order to implement this plan.

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Yeah.

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Which was wild, and you hear that. But the thing about it is the other things they try to disprove him on, he has shown that it was accurate. One of them, that he worked at Los Alamos Labs.

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Right?

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So they said that he never worked there, but he did work there. He did work there. He's on the employee roster. So not only that, he had an intimate knowledge of the building. When George Knapp went with him to Los Alamos Labs, he knew where everything was. He knew the security guards. He knew the system.

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Who's George Knapp?

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George Knapp is an investigative reporter that broke the story in 1989, and he's been on it ever since. And he also does a podcast with Jeremy Corbell.

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Yeah, I know Jeremy.

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It's all about this phenomenon. And George Knapp is one of the best journalists that's ever covered it because he's, like, covered it from the beginning. And he will tell you what he knows, what he doesn't know. And he's not a bullshitter in any way, shape, or form. He's a hard nosed, facts based journalist. Who was the first guy to talk to Lazar. And Lazar talked to him because he thought they were going to kill him. Because he had started bringing people to watch the test flights. Because he got fired. He got released. And the reason why he got released is when you're on top secret clearance, when you're working for the government and they fly you to Area 51 and you're doing fucking work on spaceships, you're not allowed to tell anybody, including your wife. So he get a phone call, like, 11:00 p.m.. I got to go to work. And he would leave, and the wife was like, this motherfucker's cheating on me?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So she starts having an affair. So she starts having an affair. Exactly. So she starts having an affair and she starts having an affair. And all their phones are tapped, of course, but she doesn't know their phones are tapped because she doesn't know what he's doing.

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Why would she?

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Because he can't tell her what he's doing. So she starts fucking this guy. And then they're worried that he's going to be in a situation of emotional turmoil because the effect. So they don't share the information with him. They just release him. He's now fired. So he's going back to his friends. Like, I'm working on fucking UFO's. They have real UFO's. They test them every Wednesday. So he takes people out to area 51, to an area that's restricted now. But back then, before the Obama administration came along. In the Obama administration, they expand the boundaries of area 51. It was the first time they admitted area 51 even existed. So they had to expand it because too many people were getting close enough to film things. So these guys went out there and they filmed these fucking flying saucers flying around. There's videos of the saucers. There's videos of these things moving around in the desert. See if you can find them. This grainy area 51 footage. So they're doing these things where these vehicles are operating in a way conventional vehicles in 1989 were absolutely incapable of doing, as far as our understanding of it.

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He gets arrested. They catch him. What are you doing? And he says, he just spills the beans. I got fired. I wanted to let people know that this is real now his life's in danger now. He's like, they're gonna fucking kill me. So he contacts George Knapp and he's like, I think that if I just go public with this, I'll be spill the bills. So initially, he does it with his face hidden. So the initial interviews he does with his face hidden, he's, like, silhouetted. And then he decides, I have to go public with all this. So he does these interviews. He's explaining everything. He draws diagrams. He explains this element that was only theoretical at that point. It was element 115.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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They didn't find it in proof of it until they used a particle collider in, like, the two thousands.

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I want to say Switzerland or whatever.

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I want to say, like, 2013 ish. Okay, so this is 1989.

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Wow.

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This is Bob Lazar in 1989. And this is him explaining all of the different stuff that he had to do there where it is. And by the way, at this point in time, this was all just legend. No one knew if area 51 was real. And they had these hangers. So these are these crafts that he brought people out to film. He's like these things, they move silently. They move with a gravity propulsion system that's operating off of this element, element 115. And this element 115, when hit with radioactive waves, it becomes this thing that can manipulate gravity with this generator that is in the center of these ships. They don't have any controls. Everything is controlled, like the human being interface. The alien creature interfaces with this machine biologically or through some sort of. They might not even be human at that point. They might be like, well, we're going to be some sort of a combination of artificial intelligence and biology, or strictly artificial intelligence at this point. And these things interact with this craft, and that's how it moves. There's no, like, buttons you switch, like, alien and fucking joysticks, like the millennium Falcon.

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There's none of that shit. It's all done with the creature. So he gets into this thing, first of all, he realizes there's no seams. It doesn't make any sense. Well, now we know what 3d printing is. Now, you know, we can make a thing with no seams, but back then, they don't know what the fuck it is. And he realized, like, right away, like, this is not ours. When he first saw it, he thought, oh, now I know what all this UFO bullshit is about. Yeah, we have them. It's ours. We're working on this. That makes sense. And they actually had an american flag sticker on one of them. They put an american flag sticker on one of the UFO, which is smart, which is fun. Yeah, it's fun.

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You want other people to think, that's ours.

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Yeah.

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But then he gets in and he realizes, designed for something that's 3ft tall, there's no seams, there's no controls, and it has this reactor in the center of it that defies anything we have any current understanding of in terms of what we believe is possible for propulsion systems. This is something completely alien, and it involves a stable element that is only theoretical at this point. They don't even know it exists. And they have a triangle, like a form of this stuff that's in the center of this. See if you could find the video where he's describing the element, the gravity.

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Generator, but the elements, that triangle thing they were talking about, is that the engine, or is that essentially the gas flame?

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That's the fuel. That's the fuel.

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Got it.

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This thing, when bombarded with radiation, produces this. I'm obviously butchering this, but produces this. See how he explains it? Put the headphones on. Powering the gravity amplifiers. Do it from the beginning. Here we go.

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So it's the reactor here. Powering the gravity amplifiers. Gravity amplifiers. Output goes into the gravity emitters at the bottom, and the resulting gravity beam, or anti gravity wave, can be pretty much put anywhere you want it to. I had access and was permitted to view and look at the operation of this main level with the gravity amplifiers and the level below the gravity emitters. People call these large, black, rectangular areas on the top portholes. I believe they were some planar sensor array that just took in information from the surrounding area, whether it be patterns.

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Of stars or what have you.

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So we got the shape right. Like, the Sci-Fi people got the shape right.

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Yeah.

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Well, they knew about it a long time ago. Kenneth Arnold saw flying saucers in the 1950s. He was a pilot. It was, like, one of the first. See if you can see the Kenneth Arnold sightings. It's one of the first reputable disclosures, because it was an american fighter pilot, right. Seeing these things, and he's describing them as, like, flying saucers skipping, and all of them, they started all happening. That's what he said he saw. They started seeing these things right after the bombs dropped. That's when everything started really popping off in this country. That's why the rooms in my club are named fat man and little boy. They're named after the atomic bombs, because that's what started the whole UFO invasion.

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Aliens see this explosion? What are they doing down there? We got to go check them out. I think that kind of checks out. I mean, that's what I would do.

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Yeah.

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If I was from another planet. And I realized, oh, these territorial primates have just developed new weapons, and they're dropping them out of propeller planes on cities.

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Yo, we got to check this.

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We got to investigate. These people are going lower our safety.

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Because they could come for us if they have 100%.

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What if they've developed the ability to traverse the cosmos?

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That's funny. And then they see that we're just dropping them on each other, and they're like, eh, they'll be fine.

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Yeah, depending on who you listen to. See, one of the craziest things that Lazar talked about was that what human beings are and what this planet is is essentially a farm for souls, and that there's some need for the. The essence of a life form, a soul. Now, if you've created artificial intelligence. Imagine if there's one hurdle that cannot be bypassed, and that hurdle is a soul, and that it's actually a real thing, and it's a real. Not just an energy, it's a type of matter. It's something. It's something legitimate that creates an individual thing, a life form. And these creatures, maybe they need souls.

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So AI is not going to be sufficient.

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I don't know. But this is the weirdest thing that he talked about. He said that we're essentially a farm for souls. But what does that mean? Like, what do they need souls for? But imagine if, like, there is, like, this process of existence, right? So you have single celled organisms that eventually become more advanced and become predator and prey. And then you have this one intelligent, dominant form that starts figuring out tools, and that's the primates. And over time, the primates evolve, and the primates get to the point where they started using machines and internal combustion engines. They're using propulsion. They're using all these different things. They're figuring out flight. Then they're figuring out atomic energy and weapons. And there's this transition that will continue, and that transition will go into more and more advanced technology if they don't blow themselves up. So if what our natural evolution is, is to go from being Australia Pithecus, to go from being the cousin of the chimpanzee to being what we are today to being what we will be in the future, I think what we will be in the future is probably them. When you see these aliens with these giant heads, these little spindly bodies and no genitals, we seem like we're on that path.

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Like, that seems like a natural. It doesn't seem like if Bigfoot was flying UFO's, you'd be like, why are we Bigfoot again? I thought we passed that. I thought we evolved past. You don't need the muscles, hairy brutes. And we became this thing that's, like, gentle and telepathic, and it doesn't use any muscular force. Everything is done through telekinesis. The communication is telepathic. The communication with the craft is telepathic. Everything is done through this way of integration with technology, because they've become physically integrated. They might not even be biological anymore, but they might still need souls. Soul might be a force, it might be a thing that's necessary for the cultivation of another version of us on another planet. If this is a process just like a garden, right? Where you have the soil, you till the soil, you fertilize it, you plant the seeds, you water it, they grow, the crops grow, and then you harvest them. This is a process that. And that's what human beings are just like. You have a fucking elk farm in New Zealand, and that's how you get tenderloins. It's a process. Like, you have to do all these things to get this result.

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What if we're a farm for souls.

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But who's farming us?

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Advanced life forms.

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So they need our souls for something. It's an energy source for them in some way.

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It sounds ridiculous. No, no, but it sounds ridiculous even as I'm saying it and as you were repeating it, like they need us for souls. It sounds like some L. Ron Hubbard science.

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No, but to me that makes sense. Why they would be concerned about the nuclear bombs is because if we destroy ourselves, they no longer have. Exactly.

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Yeah.

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We kill the farm. Right now the farm's doing great. There's more people than ever. That's what we like. As long as we don't have a massive depopulation event like a nuclear war.

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Yeah, and that makes sense that it would, you know, catch their attention. They'd come in, they'd be like, yeah, well, we got to kind of shut this thing down.

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Or at least we are really the product of accelerated evolution, which is much speculated.

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What does that mean? We're the product of accelerated evolution, which.

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Is like, look, we are very, very, very, very different from everything else on this planet by a long stretch. Not by a couple of years, by a long stretch, you know, by every other primate. The best they can do is use a stick to get termites.

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Yeah.

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You know? Oh, well, one thing is orangutan spearfish.

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Oh.

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They're making weapons.

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They figured out how to spearfish, and they learned it from us, apparently. Yeah, but they can do that. Or rangitans use tools.

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But isn't there that now they're at a different level in the evolutionary chart?

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Yeah, yeah. The current understanding is that they have begun the Stone Age.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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Kind of cool to see it happen.

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Crazy to see it happen. So if you ever seen the orangutan spearfish.

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No, no, this picture.

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Yeah, Jamie, pull it.

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It's.

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It's bananas. This rag tang is stabbing fish while hanging from a tree like this. He's like stabbing fish with one arm.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They figured out how to use tools, so if.

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Whoa, whoa.

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This is actually interesting. So if we're watching them in their stone age, it's completely plausible that some other life form is watching us in our advanced state of evolution. Look, at that dude, get the fuck out.

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In that wild, homeboy spear fishing, hanging on with his feet in one arm.

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Wow.

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I mean, it's nuts, man. It's fucking nuts.

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Wow.

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He observed local fishermen do it, and he figured out how to do it himself. Pretty fucking crazy.

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Wow.

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Pretty dope. He's probably the king pimp of all of the orangutans. Yeah, he's the dude who figured it out. They're probably all like, whoa, this guy's a wizard. He gets fish like, oh, there's a video of it.

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I was hoping there was, but I started, holy shit.

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Fucking crazy. Crazy.

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So I could believe that I could subscribe to that.

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Things evolved. If you left them alone like that, spear fishing for 500,000 years, a million years, who knows what? They'd probably look like cavemen.

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Yeah.

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But eventually they look like cavemen, depending upon what is causing this advancement and how quickly. So that's the mushroom question. So that's the stone date theory. Terrence McKenna believed that it had a lot to do with the consumption of psilocybin mushrooms.

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Yeah.

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Now, is the psilocybin mushrooms what? It allows you to solve problems in an outside of the box way, like.

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What kind of a competitive formation of language through glossolalia. Like, glossolalia is like, you start associating sounds with objects and language, the formulation of language, then psilocybin would aid in that, aid in creativity, aid in visual acuity. They've done studies where they showed that people under doses of psilocybin detect edges quicker. So, like, if you have two lines that are moving, that are parallel lines, if you deviate one even slightly, people on psilocybin notice it quicker than people that aren't on psilocybin. So it increases visual acuity. It makes people hornier, so it makes people more likely to breed. It makes you a better hunter because it increases your visual acuity. You're understanding a space, probably you're more tuned in and more sensitive to things. There's a lot of folks out there micro dosing on mushrooms, and it helps them do a lot of things.

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Could AI be this next. Could be. Could AI for us be what mushrooms.

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Were for these primates, but times a billion.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So that's where you see that next leap. So mushrooms come around, the apes start using tools, doing whatever they want, and then now you accelerate evolution.

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Well, the mushrooms probably are the seed for artificial intelligence, because the mushrooms give you the creativity to start doing wild things in the first place, which always leads to technology, which leads to a life form.

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And now with AI, you have that with exponential growth.

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Exactly.

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They're solving millions and trillions of problems in a minute.

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Not only that, they can make a better version of themselves once they become sentient, then they become God, because they make better versions of themselves with no end in sight. So if you have an artificial intelligence that is intelligent as every human being on earth combined, which is essentially what they think is going to happen when you get that is all the knowledge of all human beings, then he's going to find the flaws in all of our methods, and then it's going to be using quantum computing. So it's going to have the type of computing power that's, who knows, a million, a hundred million times what we have today. And then it's going to develop better versions of quantum computing. It's going to develop better methods of extracting energy from all sorts of different resources. It's not going to need lithium.

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This is where the graph goes vertical.

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It just goes straight up and it never stops. It's going to harness the very power of the universe itself. It literally can become a God if you just keep going. If artificial intelligence is allowed to keep exponentially growing and it gets past being far more intelligent, how many more steps is it until it's Doctor Manhattan? Is it a week? Is it a month? Is it a year? Whatever it is, it's going there. It's going to get to a point where it can time travel. It's going to get to a point where it can show up on other planets instantaneously. It's going to get to a point where it can harness all the available power in the universe itself and use it and manipulate it and figure out how to create it. It might be able to create new universes. What is a uni? If a universe is created, if a big bang exists, if there is a singularity, if there is a moment where there's something that's infinitely small, why wouldn't.

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It be able to create the exact same thing?

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Why wouldn't it be? If it can be done, if it can be created, if it is a thing, if it is a thing that's dependent upon the forces of the universe itself in a deep understanding of those forces, an understanding of those forces in the quantum level, the subatomic level, at everything. Look at the subatomic level. Everything is magic. Particles in superposition are both moving and stable at the same time.

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You're saying the laws of physics don't apply to it becomes magic. Got it, got it, got it.

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Most of atoms. Atoms are empty space. We don't even understand what the fuck is going on. We know that particles communicate instantaneously with other particles that are nowhere near them, miles away.

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There are two places at the same time.

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They're intertwined in some strange way that we don't understand. If something becomes so advanced that it has control over those forces and it utilizes all of those forces and it literally has a complete understanding of. Of everything that's happening at every given time in the entire universe.

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So this could potentially happen in our lifetime, right?

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Let's say if it doesn't, it's gonna happen in our kids lifetimes, if our kids make it.

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But think about it. If we. If it happens in our lifetime, our generation will have lived before the Internet. The Internet and singularity.

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Yeah, the singularity. What a crazy 2045 is what Kurzweil believes.

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Imagine we lived through all of that. Imagine we lived through the time where I couldn't get in touch with you unless you were home and could hear your phone, and we could also live in a time where I could instantaneously be at your fucking house.

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Yeah.

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In the same life.

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Yeah.

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We're probably the civilization this our time period that's experienced the most radical change other than like obviously wars, nuclear bombs, things like that, that hit your. That's pretty radical change. But globally, the most radical change in terms of how the culture communicates with itself, with the access to information, what's true and what's not true. There's never been a time like this.

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Who's leading the AI research in the world right now?

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Well, there's quite a few different companies that are competing. There's the Google AI shut down. United States supposedly is in the lead there.

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I imagine they.

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They'll be the first to hit that switch.

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Why? Because they just don't have the same.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. That is the advantage of not giving a fuck.

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Not giving a fuck and having a dictatorship.

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Yeah.

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You know, with a singular goal we don't have.

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And also a country like you have to respect the history of China. China has thrived economically for 4000 years.

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Yeah.

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They kept it all together.

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China has a temple of the first emperor.

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Yeah.

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Where they are afraid to enter it because apparently he booby trapped it with so much mercury that you open the doors, it'll just flood everyone with mercury. He created some crazy booby trap, and all the ground around that area tests very high in levels of mercury. So they think some of it is like, seeping into the ground. So they think it's true. So this is the guy that had the terracotta statues that are guarding.

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They're underwater?

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No, it was all underground. It was all buried. So he had this temple that's underground that is probably filled with who knows how many priceless artifacts, and people are afraid to open it. This is the first emperor of China.

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Google.

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The first emperor of China's trying to find out, bro. They can't open the temple. They want to go in and see it, but they're afraid it's booby trapped with mercury. Like, how much fucking mercury would you have to have?

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And how long ago are we talking about?

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Like, before BC. What year was it? January 94 BC.

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Wow.

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The booby trap legend. Circa 94 BC. I don't know how to say his name. Sima Kwan wrote a clear and illuminating description of what lies beneath the 51.3 meters high mound in his famous work, the shijit. In the 9th month, the first emperor was buried at Mount Lee. When the first emperor had just come to the throne, excavations and building work had taken place at Mount Lee. But when he unified all under heaven, convicts to the number of more than 700,000 were sent there from all over the empire. They dug through the three springs and poured down molten bronze to make the outer coffin and replicas of palaces, pavilions. All the various officials and wonderful vessels and other rare objects were brought up to the tomb, which was then filled with them. Craftsmen were ordered to make crossbows and arrows which would operate automatically so that anyone who approached what had been excavated was immediately shot. Quicksilver mercury was used to represent the various waterways, the Yangtze and yellow rivers, and the great sea, being made by some mechanisms to flow into each other. And above were arranged the heavenly constellations, and below was the layout of the land.

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Candles were made out of whale fat. Alternative literal translations. Mermaid ointment. Wow. Or man fish oil. What the fuck does that mean? Human oil, probably from burned people's fat. For it was reckoned that it would be a long time before they were extinguished. The second generation said it would not be right that any of the previous emperors concubines should emerge from this place unless she has a son. They were all ordered to accompany him to death, and those who died were extremely numerous. After the burial had taken place, someone mentioned the fact that the workers and craftsmen who had constructed the mechanical devices would know about all the buried treasures, and the importance of the treasures would immediately be disclosed. Consequently, when the great occasion was finished and after the treasures had been hidden away, the main entrance way to the tomb was shut off and the outer gates lowered so that all the workers and craftsmen who had buried the treasure were shut in and there were none who came out again. And the vegetation and trees were planted to make it look like a hill. So they killed 700,000 workers, is that what they're saying?

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Thus we find the source of the legends we know today. But Sima Kwan wrote in his description 123 years after the death of Xi Huang. Could his fantasy like account of the mermaid ointment, probably whale oil, flowing rivers of mercury, 700,000 laborers, crossbow booby traps, and buried alive workers be credible? Or is he just writing for effect? Can we trust the descriptions? Jesus says that one of the camp's historians celebrates the trustworthiness of Sima Kwan by emphasizing the extreme care which seema Kwan gathered and weighed available evidence in an attempt to convey an objective portrait of the chinese past. Other camps are more skeptical, stressing there were intensely personal motivations that prompted Sime Kwan's. Is that how I say it? Am I saying it right? Seema Quain decision to complete masterwork of history begun by his father. The more suspicious camp accuses Quan of exaggerating his accounts by being too much of a lyrical romanticist, too religious to convey an accurate depiction of history. But either way, they do. They found mercury all around that area and they still have not opened it. They're still worried. This is like thousands of years later.

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Has China ever been fractured? Like in the way that Europe is fractured? Or even the roman empire had this large swath of land and control and then it's been broken up. China seems like this massive landmass with all these people for a very long period of time. How do you maintain that?

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That's the way they do it. I mean, it's kind of impressive.

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It's unbelievably impressive.

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It's very impressive. It's very impressive that they've been around for 4000 years and that they've done this.

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And what is maintaining that power? But what is it just fear? Is it religion?

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Is it fear?

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It's.

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I don't think that they're very religious. Right.

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No.

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At least now they're not.

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Well, they, they definitely shun other religions like the Uighurs.

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I think they shun all because it's, you know, is a threat to the power.

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Right. It's about the state.

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But to maintain that identity, to maintain a cultural identity for pretty impressive 4000 years.

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Uh huh.

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Wow. How do you do that?

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You do it by playing 4d chess, that's for sure. Yeah, they're definitely doing that. I mean, the involvement in our education institutions, buying up american farmland.

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What do you think about that? Like, they're clearly playing a different game.

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Oh, yeah. They're playing an sophisticated game.

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Yeah.

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And they're using, I think, capitalism against us. And I think that's something that we got to be a little bit more aware of. Like, capitalism is amazing system, but it's amazing when you're the richest country, when there are other countries with wealth, they can start buying things and they can start implementing their influence when they hold the carrot.

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Right.

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Like, that's the scary thing. You can change culture without even telling people to change. When you know that China buys ten movies and they have to be made with these specifications. Right. The Hollywood will start making movies according to those specifications because they want to make the money.

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Yeah.

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Right. But now China is influencing our culture and the movies that disseminate America on the hope that China will buy them. They don't all get bought, but the movies are different.

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Yeah.

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How else can they influence like that? If you hold the fucking carrot, you can put anything you want out there.

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Yes.

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And they hold. They don't hold all the carrots, but they can partially hold it. It is a dangerous thing. You have to be concerned with how much foreign investment comes into your country.

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We just let other countries who are enemies buy land.

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Yeah.

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That is peculiar.

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Not just that.

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We.

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We let them sell us routers, sell us networking equipment because it's cheaper.

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I thought we stopped that.

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Well, they still have a lot.

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I thought. I thought that was the whole Huawei thing, where only Huawei.

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That was only Huawei. But if you look at, like, Mike Baker laid this out to me, all of the cell towers and all the stuff that's around, like, military bases, a lot of the equipment has been provided by China. I can't factor provided cheaper.

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I can't fathom that our military would be purchasing technological equipment from the same.

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Military that made Rachel Levine the first female admiral. You don't think, you know, they could fuck that up, too? The same military that made that fucking bag stealer, that bald headed bag stealer who was stealing shit. That was the person in charge of nuclear waste disposal.

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And are they an expert in any way?

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Oh, no. They're an expert in wearing women's shoes.

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That's it.

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That's all you have to be. So you have to be. Just got to check the right box. We're in the DEI program now, bro, and a lot of that is also funded by China. A lot of Russia as well. And they look, Yuri Bezmanov talked about this in the 1980s, how they've infiltrated our education institutions.

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Yeah.

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And then they're slowly turning us into Marxists and they're slowly having us erode our faith in democracy and our pride in the country.

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Yeah.

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Pride does seem like it said an all time low. It's a really disappointing thing.

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Yeah.

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But I feel like it's like waves, like, things go.

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Pendulum shift.

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Yeah.

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Pendulum shifts 100%. But it is one of those things over corrections.

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There's recurrections, you know, like, I think that's the defund the police thing, too. That's the over correction.

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Yeah. Right.

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And then the no cash bail. That's the over correction.

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Yeah. People.

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Oh, my God. Look at all this chaos and crime. We gotta.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Shift back.

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And hopefully they do and hopefully they figure that out.

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But what about pride? How do we instill pride? How do we make people proud to be part of the american experience? It's not to say that all of us are not. There's definitely a lot that are, but how do we. How do we reinstall that?

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I think one of the things. It's a simplistic answer, but.

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Yeah.

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One of the things is american manufacturing and american made things.

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Yeah.

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What are we doing? And have people support american made companies and give people real jobs where they get. Just because something costs less, because it's made in a country where people get paid nothing, doesn't mean you should buy that. And if you could buy something that maybe costs more, but it gives people a living wage and health care and they have families and they could buy a house, that's what you should be buying.

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Why are you proud to be american?

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It's a great fucking place.

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Yeah, it is.

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It's the best.

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It's the cultural center point of the whole planet.

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It's the only place you can live all twelve months.

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Really?

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Where else would you live for twelve months? Name another country. Bali. Fuck out of here. You can go rainy season in Bali, walking around in fucking rainbow sandals like Burt Kreicher. You're out of your mind. So rain a lot in Bali?

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Yeah.

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Yeah. You don't get that green without the rain.

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Right. So you get like typhoons and shit.

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Yeah.

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You're not living tropical storm, son.

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You don't want it.

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You don't want tropical, especially not without infrastructure.

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Yeah.

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But you don't want to live in Kansas either when the tornadoes come, but.

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You have the opportunity to not live there.

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That's true.

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That's the thing about America.

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You can live November to April, the wet season.

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Yeah.

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Often called the rainy season or monsoon season. Heavy storms and downpours.

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We're not doing it. Okay, but what I'm trying to say is, like, there isn't another country that you can live all twelve months of the year.

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You go to Abu Dhabi, they make.

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It rain in the fucking. But think about it. In the summer, in July, in Abu.

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Dhabi, right away, the Saudis would come to Ed LA for relief.

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Of course. They go to London. Who goes to fucking London?

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Yeah.

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For weather, right?

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So it's like this is the only one. I genuinely. I cannot think of another 112 months.

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The whole country.

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Yeah.

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And Phoenix, you can live the whole country all year round.

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But you can move around here.

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Yeah.

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You can live.

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True.

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If you have the money, you can live in New York for these months. You go to Florida, you go to whatever, there's an option.

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Right.

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You know what I mean?

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That's a good point.

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You can't live anywhere else. But that's not the pride thing for me. I think. I think the pride thing is like, I truly believe you can be the best version of yourself here. And I think anybody else in the world can be the best, most successful version of themselves here. And that's why I'm proud to be american. Well, you can reach your full potential in this country.

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It's a fun place.

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Hey, there's a lot of fun places. But can you reach your full potential in these other places? They took fucking Jack Mac and they brought him into a basement.

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Yep.

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When he got too powerful in China, talked a little. He thought he was bigger than the system, so they shut it down. They saw what has happened. Our tech billionaires here, and they're like, hey, we're not going to let that fucking shit happen here. You're going to the basement here. I'm not saying Joe Rogan isn't going to be successful no matter where he goes, but you're going to have fucking issues. If you're in China coming and having this much influence and a podcast and do it. You're going to have a talk.

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Yeah.

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You're going to have some basement talks.

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Yeah.

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But in this fucking country, you can be the greatest version of yourself. And I don't know if there's another country that offers that opportunity, and more.

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Importantly, anyone that's trying to stop that is un american. If you're trying to send someone's grace, yes. If you're trying to stifle people's growth.

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And Americans will fight for you because of it, it happens. This is the hit piece thing. When we see the hit piece, it tears at, like, our american identity. Even if you don't admit you are, there's a part of you that's going, whoa, whoa. This person's trying to be great, and we're all here because we're trying to be great, or our family came here to be great, and this pun is trying to be great, and the world is trying to stop that. Fuck them.

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It's.

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Some people are trying to stop that.

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Some people are trying to stop that. But we're still, we have animosity for those people that are trying to stop greatness, because it is a core tenant here.

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Yes.

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You can be great. An individual can be great here.

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Yeah.

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And I think that's a really special thing that we kind of lose here, that we lose sight of. But it is what makes me proud. Maybe it's because my mom's not from here, and she came here and she felt like she had all this opportunity, and it was like, you can't tell my mom it's not the greatest country in the world. So I'm kind of like, I grew up with that. And of course, there's tons of problems, but this idea that, like, you can.

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Really achieve, you're always going to have problems when you have human beings.

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Yes.

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And there's no perfect solution. Like, universal basic income isn't the perfect solution. Welfare is not the perfect solution. There's no perfect solution to fix all that ails us. But at least here, you can go from the bottom to the top.

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You can go for it.

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Yeah.

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You can really go for it.

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And you're not, like, start from the bottom now, facts.

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And some places, like, you might have the aptitude to go from the bottom to top, but the culture will be oppressive.

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Yeah.

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And I'm not even talking about third world. I'm not talking about China. I'm talking about, there are places where there's a system where, like, hey, you're working class. How dare you try to not be working class.

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Yeah, that's what my friends in England said. My friends in England. My mom's from Scotland.

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That's what it was. Trying to be great.

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Mm hmm.

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And here it's like, wait, you're not trying to be great.

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Right.

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Why aren't you trying to be great? That you have the opportunity to be great.

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Right.

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And when we see greatness, we support it.

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Yeah.

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That's not to say that we, we don't have jealousy and animosity, but there still is a version of it here where it's like, nah, that motherfucker is great. And I am excited by that person's greatness.

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If you're a winner, if. But then you're also going to have a bunch of people that are just happy when you fall.

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That's humans.

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Yeah.

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That is humans. We have it too.

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Yeah.

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But there's not a cultural oppression that exists for greatness.

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Exactly.

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The place is built to go to the top.

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Yep.

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And it makes me proud for me. I really, like, I wish more people would grab onto that idea.

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Yeah.

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And it's all of us too. That's what's so crazy about the idea of the american flag. The symbol. The american flag is offensive.

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It's the best flag.

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It's, but it's so crazy that that's, that's all of us. That's even the good, the stuff that you think is good about America. Even if you like the hardcore, the most hard, far left, hippie, fucking anarchist, like, yeah, you are a part of America. Your ideas are America as well. That flag is yours.

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And we kind of need them. We need every need that. We need that back and forth. We need that pendulum to sweat.

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We do need balance because, yeah, you.

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See what happens when there's just people existing in that echo tree. You saw what happens in fucking, you know, San Francisco or even LA. You see like an idea permeates and then a very lax law or a lack of enforcement of that law create a culture that people are now not happy with. If you ask the average person in LA or San Francisco, they're like, maybe we need some rules now. I think rules would be okay. We could punish some crimes. It's okay. When you exist in the echo chamber, you're fighting for different sides of liberalism. You don't have that balance where these people are yelling at these people and we kind of end up in here. And that's healthy, right? That little back and forth is healthy, right? And yeah, I don't know. I'm just I get stoked off the american experience. But it does make me sad when I feel like everybody's upset about, the right thinks it sucks, the left thinks it sucks. Everybody just thinks it sucks. And it's like, I don't know, man.

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Well, I just think there's a lot of problems that exist today that weren't problems decades ago. For example, particularly social issues with the impact of social media has thrown this country into a fucking turmoil.

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What do you mean?

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It's a force that we didn't anticipate the amount of echo chambers that exist. The amount of people that gather up together in these groups, and they have full confirmation bias. They only believe one side. They disregard all evidence from the other side. They dig their heels in. They want to be on the right side of history. They want to win.

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Win.

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If Donald Trump wins, the threat to democracy. Joe Biden's a criminal. He's a threat to democracy. Our whole life is at stake with this election. If you're on the wrong side, you've been co opted by the bad people. There's just so much tension that exists today where you can't have a difference of opinion with your neighbors, where it used to be. If your neighbor was a Republican and you were a Democrat, nobody gave a shit. Like, what's up, Bob? Maybe he'll get annoying. You want to talk to you about fucking Watergate or something?

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Like, I gotta go, bro.

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I gotta go. But it wasn't, it wasn't anti devices. He wasn't the. The main problem in the world.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know, he wasn't a Nazi.

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Yeah, yeah.

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He just wanted to hold on to his money.

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Exactly. He just thought you were a little bit of a pussy.

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Yeah.

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And he. You just thought he was maybe a little racist.

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Yeah.

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But you still barbecued. Yeah, it wasn't that crazy.

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Said, hi, you waved to each other when you were in the driveway.

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Yeah.

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And now you think it's so divisive because of the Internet, the echo chambers are created, and it's this good versus evil mentality on both sides. So how dare you hang out with someone who's evil?

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Yeah.

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What does that make of you?

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It's crazy. And then also, like, people dig their heels in and put fucking political signs on their front lawn. My mom used to do that when she lived in Florida. Like, Hillary Clinton signs on her front lawn. The people kept stealing them. I'm like, mom, take those down.

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Wait, what do you mean? What do you mean? Like, what type of signs? I'm trying to be president. Hilarious. Your mom, the apple falls far from the.

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Yeah. And then she. They keep taking my signs. I'm like, mom, don't put those signs.

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It's really you.

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You're living in Florida.

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It's just you. You're just sending people to take a sign.

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She was living in Florida. I'm like, what do you expect? It's a red state.

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So was she a big liberal?

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Oh, my mom's a huge liberal.

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Really?

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Yeah, they were hippies when I was a kid. We lived in San Francisco during the height of the anti war movement.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah, I grew up. When I was seven years old, we moved to San Francisco.

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Do you remember this?

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Yeah.

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Very clearly.

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Yeah.

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And is this kind of, like, informed your politics?

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Oh, yeah, yeah. We lived in a gay neighborhood. It was like all these hippies and gay guys would whistle at my stepdad.

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No way.

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Yeah, man. It was funny.

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So you're like, I need to learn martial arts.