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Like, I think of that CIA guy on with the hair.

Yeah.

And.

So after the pod, I guess we're up. Let's go.

You want to go?

We're rolling.

Let's do it.

So he came on, and he was very, like, forthcoming. First of all, he's very charming, but, like, when you're talking to anybody who's worked for the CIA, you're looking him through the same lens as you look at, like, a therapist, right? Where it's like, wait, are you analyzing? Like, what's.

What's going on here?

Very charming, very smart, very, like, seems to really know what's going on in the world. But, like, straight up told us. He's like, yeah, the CIA. You know, I guess one of the advantages I have is, like, I'm pretty close to sociopath. Like, I'm not there, but, like, I don't. I don't feel the same emotions that everybody feels. There's, like, a lack of guilt, but I know when I should feel it in these moments.

Whoa.

But that's a huge advantage. Imagine if you're trying to, like, find assets and flip assets. If you and I, like, build a relationship with somebody and we, like, feel empathy for them.

Right.

Maybe we wouldn't be able to say, hey, now it's time for you to cough up the information, or else.

Right.

But somebody else in that position might. So I would imagine if you are the fucking CIA, you're like, okay, we're looking for people who have gone through these things in their life that. That have curated this kind of, like, personality type.

Well, isn't it just, like, part of the gig? Like, here's, for instance, like, your bit about Puffy, how you're gonna connect these two fucking dots. That bit is like, look, you don't have any real personal beef with Diddy, but it's gotta go down. The bits are there. I'm a gold miner. I just found some gold.

You're right. Maybe I'm a sociopath.

It's not that you're a sociopath. It's just that that's part of the gig.

Yes.

Like, you're not a sociopath with your friends.

No, I think I'm maybe an empath.

Yes.

But I guess it's one of those things where, like, you justify. You go, okay, if there's. I think this person might have done something bad.

Yes.

And he can get jokes. And we're all gonna tell jokes. I'm not pressing fucking charges.

Well, not only that, you're not the guy who's out there, like, calling the New York Times. Hey, you know what? I heard about Diddy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. You're just like. It's there. It's everywhere. My fucking news feed is dominated by Fox News, CNN, everyone. There's raids at Diddy's house. Who is the guy that was running around with a sports bra on? Did you see that one, dude?

No.

This is in LA.

Oh, my God. I gotta send you.

All the raids are happening.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

He got caught up in the raid, and he was yelling, I'm a celebrity. I'm a celebrity. It was like. Like one of the most hilarious clips. Hold on. I'm gonna find you this. It's so funny.

Mm hmm.

Do you know what I'm talking about, Jamie?

But you bring up a good point, which is, like, are there ever situations.

Where you feel you won't wait, TC, this.

Is. Yeah.

Put your headphones on so you can hear it. See Santana? Oh, look at this.

Wearing what appears to be a black.

Sports bra, red tights, and the performer's.

Signature trim beard and long eyelashes. Yeah, this is Joe. This is Saucy Santana.

This guy's.

Oh, wow.

Saliva on the beard is crazy.

Saliva.

He definitely came from diddy party.

Yeah, well, he was at Diddy's house.

I bet he was.

So I guess Diddy just kept people at his houses. Cause he's got multiple houses and he's just had freak out part.

Look at him.

Look at Saucy Santana.

Go, Saucy.

No, Saucy's crazy. Have you seen Saucy twerk?

I didn't even know Saucy existed until I saw that video.

Oh, Saucy can throw it down.

This is booty by Saucy Tantana.

Saucy.

Oh, Jesus.

I love this.

You're finding out about Saucy Tana.

So this is one of Diddy's artists.

I don't even know if it's Diddy's artist, but Saucy's, like, a popular figure.

Stayed at his house. Now did.

He's in a tricky situation. Yeah, I think it's over.

You think it's over?

I think it's over for him as, like, a figure in entertainment.

Right. But it's over as him. As far as he gets a cell right next to our kelly.

I don't think so. I don't think it's gates. I. I think skates or he goes bali.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's a move, huh?

I mean, Russell's out there.

Yeah.

You know, is he been formally charged or does he just know that the shit is out there?

I think there's just so much shit out there.

I think those rappers did some wild shit.

It's.

Yeah, I mean, it was in the nineties music business, it's a lot of.

People, it's not just the music business, it's like, it's the extortion business.

Well, that's. Yeah, I mean, the rap game was crazy. That's a lot of thing a lot of people don't realize is like back in the day, especially like early rap game, you weren't just going to play at, you know, what's the random theater that you would play in LA? What's like a theater? I'm trying to think the Orpheum or something like that.

Wiltern, the Wiltern.

Some guys were explaining to me, he was like, you would play at the local hood club. There was like a hood club that you could perform at and then that was owned by the local drug dealer that was washing money there, right? So this is where the idea of like checking in comes from. Have you heard of this term? Like checking in was basically like, hey, I wanna make sure we're good because you're gonna pay me and if I don't check in, you might rob me because you're putting me up at the hotel and you know everything that's going on. And you're a drug dealer so you don't play by the rules, right.

When you come to Houston, you're checking in with certain people.

Mister Prince.

Yes, sir, Mister Prince.

Yeah.

You don't gotta check in, Joe.

You gotta check in. Say hi, Joe.

Don't gotta check in.

I'm not in that business. I say hi.

You've had him on here, right? Yeah, yeah, he's a legend in the game. He's a legend.

Out of respect, I say hi.

There you go.

Yeah, there you go. So what is like.

Yeah, yeah.

How does a guy like him, like, I'm trying to think, like how do you, how do you navigate that to the point where people have this like respect and fear because of what they assume you've done in the street world, right. But you're also operating legitimately.

Yeah.

And nobody can get you. They try, they try.

Well, they tried with him many times.

And do you think they just give up?

I don't think they have anything. They had something, they would have brought it. You know, if they have something on a guy like that, they try to get him. That's the thing. But he's clever. Oh, he's, he's a. He's playing many levels. He's like one of those dudes. You ever see a chess tournament where, where a guy walks in and there's ten different players, and he just walks and goes to each move and goes to the next board and makes a move, goes to the next board, makes a move that he beats everybody?

Yeah. Yeah.

So where does a guy like that learn that? That's what I'm trying to understand.

Streets.

Yeah, yeah.

He learns that, you know, I mean, it's all about keeping people close.

Yeah.

Respect, giving respect, getting respect. Making sure that, you know, you cover all your statements.

Yeah.

Like if you say something, you have to make sure you do it. You cover it 100% of the time. And there's probably times in his life where he's went, like, if it's poker, he probably went all in a few times. Not in terms of money, but like this decision makes or breaks me.

Yeah.

I wonder how many make or break moments he's had.

Well, it depends on what's actually true and what's not true in terms of accusations, you know? Cause if some of the accusations are true, that kind of covers things, you know, when folks vanish, when someone does havracadabra. See you later.

Yeah, yeah, that's effective. That fear is effective, man.

100%.

Yeah.

And it should be because, listen, all the shit that's going on right now in the world, in America, we get so soft and we think none of that shit's gonna happen here. All that murder, war, drones, assassinations, that's not gonna happen here unless you know the Clintons.

Yes, let's.

You know some shit.

Yes.

Unless you know some shit about old Bill, and then you wind up shooting yourself in the chest while hanging from an extension cord.

Wait, did that happen?

Oh, yeah.

You don't know? That guy shot himself in the chest. That seems really hard to do with a shotgun.

This is.

How do you do such a thing while you're hanging? This is a guy that brought Epstein to the White House at least seven times.

What's his name?

We'll find out. So they found him at a ranch 30 minutes from his house, hanging by an electrical cord from a tree with a shotgun wound to the chest. Shotgun discovered near the body of former Clinton aide Mark Middleton. And then they called it a suicide.

Wow.

Twelve gage shotgun was 30ft from the body of Mark Middleton. Was he found dead?

Okay, so who, who. Okay, who orchestrates this is this. Is this the same thing? Where does Clinton go, hey, this guy needs to go. Or do the powers that be around a powerful person go, we already know what needs to happen?

Well, I think they know if a dude is in contact with someone or has been talking or is about to talk.

Meaning cooperating with the feds or something.

I don't think any of those guys have clean phones. I don't think any of those guys don't have their houses bugged. I don't think any of those guys aren't tracked.

Look how excited that guy is in the back.

Yeah, who the fuck. If you're a guy that brought Jeffrey Epstein to the fucking White House to see Bill Clinton seven times and all this Epstein shit is going down and ghleens in jail, and you have information there. There's people on both sides, right? There's the people on the right that are trying to nail the people that are on the left with this. There's people that are journalists that are trying to nail the people that were involved in this, and they've managed to keep that fucking list from coming out, which shows you how powerful certain people are. That should show you a lot. That should be terrifying. The fact that Ghulain Maxwell's in prison. She's in prison for sex trafficking, yet no one's been accused of buying any of that pussy. No one's been accused of having sex with these underage girls that she is in jail for supplying.

Yeah, that is. That is crazy.

That's crazy.

You own a store and there's no items left, yet. Nobody's purchased anything. Something's going on.

Something's going on.

Yeah.

So I guess what I'm trying to figure out is, like, people can go away. I mean, that's what. That's what people were saying. And maybe, you know, everybody's a conspiracy theorist now, but that's what people are saying about the diddy situation. Like, when the d. When the. When the feds rolled up, you know, with the fucking Hummers and shit, they're like, it wasn't about Diddy. It was about if there were tapes of powerful people there.

Yeah.

Oh, I'm sure they were the ones that caught. They're like, I need to protect myself. So go in there with all the things and rip any tapes or any evidence.

Well, Prince Harry was hanging with Diddy.

I mean, everybody hung with Diddy. That's the other tricky thing. Like, diddy hung out with everybody. And I've spoken to a bunch of people who were like, yo, great dude. Like always there for you. Never asked for a single thing til.

One in the morning and then freak off. Everybody says, get out of the house.

Yeah, yeah.

It's like the Gremlins start eating after midnight. Everybody who tells the story is like, I saw her go upstairs and these dudes are fucking, like, right on the couch.

Yeah.

And then I go in this room and these guys are fucking and pros.

Like, apparently he was getting male gigolos to fuck girls that.

Girls.

Yeah, that's the. That was one of the rumors, like the free call. So he would hire the professional dicks to have sex with the girls, and I think he would watch allegedly.

That's.

That's what was alleged, I think. Yeah, it's a lot of crazy stuff going on. And that's the other thing. Like, I wonder, like, is that just a power thing?

It's a Caligula thing.

What does that mean?

Caligula, like the emperor. Did you ever see that movie Caligula?

No.

It's about just roman empires being completely out of control. Caligula is almost like porn. And it was a movie made, I want to say, in the seventies. It's a crazy movie, but it's just detailing extreme excess where you can never fill the hole.

But what is the hole you need to fill? I'm trying to find what's the catalyst?

Chaos.

What year was this? 79. 79? Yeah. That's Malcolm McDowell, right? Yeah, yeah, the dude from Clockwork Orange.

Oh, yeah.

It's a crazy movie, man. But it's still mild in comparison to what absolute. Have absolute power corrupts Caligula.

Okay, so then there's the question. It's like, can you take a completely normal person, give them power, and then they become that? Or does it take a power hungry person that has this void that they need to be filled? That needs to be filled, and then when they are given that power, you see the worst version of them.

Ask your CIA boy. I bet he's got the answers. I bet he knows the exact formula.

To corrupting somebody or to what happens.

What happens to these people?

Have you ever met somebody in our business that, like, before they were popping, they were kind of a dick? And then once they became very successful, they were the biggest dick. And you're like, you were always gonna be this way. You just didn't have the power to.

I don't know too many people in our business that are really successful, like your level or my level that are dicks.

Yeah, yeah. Well, let me think about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There are people maybe that feel they should be at a higher level and are not.

They can kind of boss people around or throw their weight around to their assistant or their agents.

Yeah.

Maybe they yell when they shouldn't yell or don't have to yell or are demeaning to certain people.

That bothers me, though.

Oh, I hate it. I don't like it at all.

Especially when you're demeaning to the people that can't.

Yeah.

Can't really do anything. They could quit, of course, but, like, this is their opportunity.

Right. And then they feel terrible and for no reason, when the same exact situation could be handled with a hug.

Yeah.

You can tell them you appreciate them. You hold their hand, you shake their hand, give them a hug.

Yeah.

And then everybody feels good.

Yeah. Yeah.

That should be what the goal is. Like, you're the guy who is in this very unique, unusual situation, and you have the ability. Ability to make everybody feel better.

Yeah.

Until you don't. Until there's some people that you just gotta get rid of. There's some people that just feel entitled and they don't feel it. There's certain things that do happen around certain successful people. You'll see they have a few people that have resentment that are around them, that realize, like, oh, I'm a support person and I only have so much room that I can climb. I can never be Andrew Schultz. I'm always going to be this guy who works with Andrew Schultz. Or, like, I've had a few buddies that have opening acts that wind up getting very entitled and they have real problems with them where the opening acts get resentful and there becomes issues.

And then when they're good guys, they clip them.

They get rid of them.

You have to.

Yeah, you gotta get rid of them.

Cause you can't be around someone who resents your success.

I just had a friend who just led me through all the shit that his opening act was doing. But I've known several guys that have had that. Once things start popping, those guys feel like, hey, you know, I'm a big deal.

Yeah.

And they're like, you don't even. You're just like, you could be replaced with another guy who does 15 minutes. Like, this is crazy. You have an amazing opportunity. You get a chance to perform in front of these thousands of people that you would never be able to perform in front of them. And you light it up, you can move up the ladder, and then one day that could be you, and they could be coming to see you. And we've all seen that.

And you never want to have to manage somebody like that. You want to have people around you that are excited by the opportunity, and everybody's part of the team, and we're doing this fucking unbelievable thing. And. Yeah, I guess I feel lucky I have those guys.

Yeah.

You've cultured a good group of humans, and then they have gratitude. And we all have gratitude. Everybody has gratitude. That's the key. But some people, they just. They're nuts. Some people are just crazy, which is why they're in show business in the first place.

Yeah.

And they have a distorted perception of reality, and they're not good at being objective. They're not good at seeing the big picture. You know, those fucking people can be a real problem if they're in your.

Circle and if they're smart. The problem is, like, when you take one of those people who's intelligent, they can, like, rationalize and justify all the behaviors. That's the trickiest thing. Like, how do you. Have you been that situation where, like, you're trying to talk them out of a behavior that they have, and you're just like, this might not be the most rational way to operate. It's not really. It's like, at a certain point in time, you have to. Yeah, I guess you got to kind of let them know what you can.

Do to cure them of it.

I don't.

I don't know if you can, like, tell them, hey, this is what you're doing. Like, fuck, what am I doing? I'm sorry. Yeah, I'm going to get my shit together.

Do we have confirmation?

Yes.

And we're good to go or what?

Yeah, hold on.

Okay.

Okay. Light it up, Joe.

Yeah, he's. We're going back and forth right now.

Yeah, I think there's just comfy or.

Not comfy green light.

Oh, really? Okay. All right.

I think there's a lot of.

Speaking of psychos.

There's a lot of psychos in the world.

Yeah.

And I think that this is a thing. It's like there's a certain amount of people that really don't care about other people. They don't. They exist. What is the term? I guess the term is sociopath. Right.

Well, I think sociopath just means that you don't feel, like, the guilt that a normal person would feel when you make somebody feel uncomfortable. They could potentially be in that uncomfortable situation. That reaction is just not elicited in you, and therefore you can maybe ask them to do things that would put them in a really uncomfortable situation. Like, for example, you have a podcast, right? You ask somebody, come on. There might be a really embarrassing, tough question that you might want to ask them, and maybe that's why you brought them on, or they're a really close friend of yours, and you're just like, I don't know if I want to put them in this situation in front of all these people, dude, I do.

That all the time.

You don't ask?

I don't ask.

Exactly. Because you have empathy you care about.

Not just that. I don't need to talk to someone about something controversial if they want to talk about it. Like, if it's something they want to get off their chest or they want to discuss, because there's some misconceptions out there. Happy to give you that. That platform. But, like, play got you with you, it's. I am not that guy at all. I don't want to have anything to do with that shit. I don't like it. I don't think it's necessary.

It feels gross.

Also, if you're talking about a human being in one very specific issue, don't they have a lot of things going on in their life? I'm interested in the full human, dude. I'm not interested in just digging the dirt on one bad situation that you may or may not be involved in.

You said some shit to me when I had my kid. You said, you know what's really funny? Is that when I'm talking to somebody or somebody's being incredibly annoying or they're frustrating, they're being a pain in the ass. They're being a dick. I just imagine them as a six week old baby, and it's like every one of them started out that way. This innocent, pure, amazing little thing. And life might have turned them into this life.

Shitty parents.

Yeah.

Bad neighborhood. And then sometimes it's just genes.

Yeah.

Sometimes you get wacky jeans, man.

Yeah.

Sometimes people are mentally ill right from the jump.

Yeah.

And I don't think people like to admit that, but that's. That's a fact.

Yeah. You know? Yeah.

How much can you do with that?

Not much. And then when it comes to, like, medication, what is the medication doing it? Is it dulling the mind so that the impulses don't come out? Is it ramping up your dopamine so you don't want to do those things? Like.

Yeah, I was wondering that with, like, prozac. Like, I didn't realize how many people I knew that were on Prozac. What's he saying? Yay or nay?

Yeah, we're good.

Let's just do it.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Speaking of. Speaking of psycho, speaking of people that are potentially bad.

Yeah.

That do not have your good interests at heart and will take advantage of you and maybe are pathological in their desires to crush.

So we're talking about Andrew Huberman's situation.

His situation, not Huberman.

Yeah. Yeah.

So one of the things that was left out of that article, people know.

I assume everybody here knows exactly what happened.

So there's an article that Andrew Huberman, an example, got ahold of a reporter and said that he's a philanderer. He's doing all these terrible things. He's a bad guy.

Yeah.

And so they write this long article. What they left out was that the person who accused him of all this, first of all, is being investigated by the DOJ for fraud and is in the middle of that right now. It's a very serious case. I would name the case, but that would, like, they made the lady anonymous, which is also crazy. Like, you could have an anonymous person who attacks this famous person, which is essentially whether it's true, what, the things she's saying are true or not true. The stuff she left out, the DOJ stuff.

That's when he breaks it off.

Exactly.

He breaks it off.

The DOJ contacts him because they're investigating this woman.

And you think that that would be, like, maybe the first paragraph?

You'd think that would at least be a part of the article. Yeah, if it was a real piece of news.

Yeah.

You would say, oh, this is complicated.

What do you think it is? Do you think it could come from pharmaceutical companies?

I don't think there's zero influence, you know, I mean, I think for sure, look, with the stuff that happened to me, that's what I was going to ask.

Where do you think it comes from.

That was 100% influenced by pharmaceutical drug companies?

Political interest too.

Yeah.

Well, those are tied in together because they fund them. So you got pharmaceutical drug interests that a fund the network.

Right.

They pay for so much of the advertisement, so.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, you can't hold them to the advertisers.

Yeah, yeah.

You cut.

If.

If the news said, no more pharmaceutical drugs. Like, let's imagine if the government says this.

Yeah.

The government says, no more pharmaceutical drug contributions to super pacs, no more pharmaceutical drugs ads on television shows and newspapers. No more. Then you have to fill a massive void that's missing from those ads. And you're gonna have to bring in Toyota trucks and fucking all those different things. Yeah, but you're missing out on a lot of fucking money. So if that's a giant portion of your ad revenue, you're gonna avoid all conversations about vaccine injuries.

Yes.

They're not gonna come up. You are gonna shut them down and go to commercial.

Yes.

You're gonna say, well, the studies don't show that. The studies don't. You'll talk over RFK. What you're saying is just simply not true. Vaccines are the reason why we don't have. The vaccines have never been shown to show to cause autism. Vaccines. And we'll be right back. And they go to commercial. And then it's just like the person shouted them down. They're probably getting talk in their ear.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, don lemon, get off the subject. You know, like, there's. There's probably someone in their ear. Cause they do have earpieces.

But here's the thing. I don't even know if they have to tell you when you know that you are being paid by someone. It's very easy to just go along with whatever narrative they support. And that's the tricky thing, because a lot of times we act like there's these, like, group of six people that are. That are disseminating this information. They're directly hitting up Don Lem and all these other people. You must behave this way. I think people fall in line. I think it's almost human instinct to fall in line. When you know who's got your back, you kind of fall in line with it. If the pharmaceutical companies are supporting 25% of your ads, or 30, whatever the fuck it is, you fall in line with it. You fall in line with the narratives of the networks you're with. If you write for the Washington Post, you probably fall in love. And when you start to ruffle feathers, your articles don't get posted. And then you realize, oh, shit, if I want my articles to get posted, I gotta write like this. My kid's in private school and I wanna build a pool. And now there's this incentive structure that's built in without anybody fucking telling you what to do.

Exactly.

So it's this. It's not as, like, nefarious as people assume it is. When you hear about, like, the deep state and who are these people telling you? It's an incentive structure built in and human beings wanna survive. And we start kind of doing the things that will help us survive.

And it's all implied, you know what you're supposed to say and not supposed to say.

It's the Clinton speaking fee, like no one wants to hear Hillary Clinton speak. Nobody ever has wanted to hear her speak, but she's getting 400 grand from Goldman Sachs after she's, you know, what was he, secretary of state? So it's like. But Goldman Sachs doesn't need to say, hey, by the way, you're gonna get speaking fees. She knows it.

Exactly.

They all fucking know it.

Well, that was why during the Trump debates with Clinton, he was like, release the transcripts of those speeches.

Oh, I love it.

Yeah.

I'll release my taxes. You release the transcripts.

Yeah.

And what is the transcript? Hey, guys, do we really need to be here, or can I go home?

You know what I want? I want you guys to make money. Let's keep it rolling.

So that's whatever the deep state, if you will. It's not six people.

Well, that is like the people that are in your crew that start acting entitled when they're around you. Those are the people. The Hillary Clintons. The Hillary Clinton's are the people that are like, maybe disrespectful to the servers. And you find out about it. They sent food back, they talk. It's not the main guy, it's the support staff. So you're saying the main people are not the presidents, right? The main people are the people that are running Raytheon, the people that are running these gigantic companies that make weapons.

Dude, that. I didn't even.

That's where the real money is.

Speaker one.

When we had. When we had RFK on, I didn't even fucking know this shit. But I didn't know, like, when we're sending money to Ukraine, we're not really even sending money there. We're sending money to american military manufacturers to make weapons. And then the month the weapons go to Ukraine. But we're paying us. Yeah, but you can't really.

But also some money goes over there, too. And that money, enough billions. And that money is like, whoo, where to go?

Yeah.

Dudes are doing coke and driving around Rolls Royces and.

Boss, all that. The guy bought the. Yeah, what was it, the assistant? It wasn't the vice president, but it was some, like, government figure bought, like, some insane car. And why are you buying insane cars when you're in the middle of a war?

How do you have the money?

Yeah, there might be some rations you might want to buy. Okay, so, okay, so there's the system. I think Vivek called it, like, the managerial class or something like that, which I thought was a good term, but okay, the money is going to these different industries first. So it's kind of staying in America, which does, I guess, boost our economy in some way. Like, those people need to hire people. The economy starts to do. No, but I mean, like, no, for real. Like, it's like, they have to hire people. They have to pay people. Like, and that's why war is good for the economy. And if the economy is built on this military industrial complex or whatever it is, we constantly need conflict to. In order. In order to continue the positive momentum of the economy. Yes, but they can't say that. They can't go, hey, we need war in order for the economy to be good.

They're not thinking about the economy. They're thinking about the money that they are specifically going to make from these transactions. They're not thinking about, oh, we're going to do this good for the economy. They're thinking this is an opportunity to get a massive contract. They're in the business of constantly making more money. When you're in a corporation, especially a publicly traded corporation, you have an obligation to your shareholders to make more money. You have a board. You have people that have dumped $100 million into the company, and they're staring at you like, what are we doing to maximize profits? And just like, if you're working for CNN, you know, if someone starts saying that the vaccines might be killing kids, you got to step in and go, there's no evidence for this. You got to cover. You're covering for this. Everyone's covering. And if you're the head of a corporation, it's your job to get these contracts. It's a sociopathic sort of a situation. No one's looking at it. Like, what is the big picture? Does this really need to be had? Isn't there some sort of a diplomatic approach that can be made? What were the factors that led us to get into the situation in the first place?

What's going on with NATO? Why are they moving weapons closer and closer to Russia's border? There's a diplomatic solution that could stop the death of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. But no, no, make that cheddar. Let's go. Let's go and attach it to different bills, right? Like, attach it to the border bill.

Attach it to the fucking.

Attached to the education. We got educated those Russians about our fucking bombs. That's part of the education bill. They got to know about a Tomahawk missile, bitch. Yeah.

So how do you.

How do you stop that money? And the problem is it's already been embedded, right? It's like trying to tell the mob, you can't make money anymore. Like you have to do some radical things to get the mob out of businesses, right? And that's what they had to do with Giuliani in New York with the John Gotti and the families and locking everybody up like you. You can't just say, hey, guys, stop doing that. That's what they do. It's what they do. That's what they did with Iraq, that's what they did with Afghanistan, with Vietnam. They do it with everything. That's what Eisenhower warned the american people about when he was leaving office, which is one of the craziest videos in human history where he's saying the military industrial complex wants to go to war. There's a machine that wants to go to war and you have to be very careful of it.

What is the history of this? So what, world War two, the whole country turns into. Into a war machine? Is that essentially. And which was beneficial for us, great.

For the economy, great for a lot of things, great to unite us freedom.

Great for not speaking fucking German for the rest of our existence. But, and by it turns into a war machine. Like Ford just starts making tanks. Like everybody shifts their goal.

Right.

Is that essentially what happens when.

Well, a lot of people definitely shift their, I mean, Ford obviously kept making cars, but like a lot of people do shift their.

But I think Ford also started making military vehicles.

Did they make sense?

That was my understanding is that like every business start to prioritize the war effort and then not overnight, but pretty quickly the whole country had one singular focus which was if we need to go to war, we can turn it over. It's like, I think that's what Napoleon did actually. That was one of how he was so effective. He turned the whole country into a war machine. Whereas before it was like, wait, I thought we're just lining up in the field and banging back and forth against each other. He was like, no, no, you're fighting the whole country. So then when we get to turn over and flip and Ford starts making vehicles or whatever the fuck it needs for the military effort, we have a huge competitive advantage. The money that comes in through that. In fact, check me on this, please. But like, the money that starts to be generated by that is very hard to relinquish when the war is done, right, the war stops and then people go, whoa, whoa. We were making 100 million a year during war.

I want to go back to 20 million. Right?

So we need more wars. Is that the idea?

Yeah, that's, that's definitely a part of the idea. It's also connected to a lot of other things, too, that you wouldn't think about, like, subsidizing food, so subsidizing farmers. So, like, when you hear about corn subsidies, like, we have corn subsidies. That's why there's corn syrup and everything. There's, you know, we picked a crop.

That could feed 300 million people, and it just happened to be corn.

Well, what happened was, during World War two, they started to subsidize farmers so that they would have a surplus. So in case another war breaks out, they always have. They have food storage. They have the ability to feed the country, even if we're cut off from the rest of the world. And when you're dependent upon foreign countries for different things like grains and medicines, and that's one of the things we found out during COVID Right. A lot of medicine is made in China, and a lot of it was very hard to come by during COVID because of the transportation issues.

Isn't that one of the issues with Ukraine, I'm sure, is that there's not with medicine, but with actual grain. Like, it's one of the largest grain producers in the world. So I think there even had to be, like, an agreement between Russia and Ukraine to continue sending out grain during the conflict.

Wild. Wild. The rules of war are so wild. Like, when someone says it's a war crime, you know, who decides the levels? You can only kill people certain ways. Like, one of the wildest ones was also during World War one. It's a guy named Fritz Haber. And Fritz Haber, he created the Haber method of extracting nitrogen from the atmosphere. That's responsible for some crazy number today. This method is responsible for something about. See if this is true. I think it's something around 50% of the nitrogen in human bodies today exists because of the Haber method. So 50% of the nitrogen from your food has been extracted from the atmosphere by the Haber method in order to provide fertilizer for plants that we use, especially when you talk about industrialized fertilizer and commercial grade fertilizer, where they have to spray it, because the topsoil is all dead for a lot of these modern industrial monocrop agriculture establishments. So Fritz Haber creates this, but he also creates Zyklon A. He created this gas that they were using. He used the gas. They turned it to Zyklon B. They took the smell out of it so they could kill the Jews with it.

And he also used the gas when they were gassing allied troops in World War one. This was the first time that that had been done, chemical warfare, massive fans and gas, and they would blow it onto these soldiers and kill them all. And so he was both being recommended for the Nobel Prize and being a war criminal at the same time. He's wanted for crimes against humanity. Humanity at the same time. He created the Haber method. What's the matter, Jamie? Nearly 50% of the nitrogen found in human tissues originated from the Haber Bosch process. Thus, Haber process serves as the detonator of the population explosion, enabling the global population to increase from 1.6 billion in 1900 to 7.7 billion by 2018. Reverse fuel technology converts electrical energy, water, and air, into ammonia without a separate hydrogen electrolysis process. So this is his. I mean, he was a legitimate genius, and his story is so fucking tragic. When he was leaving to go to the front lines to war to use his gas, it was so controversial. There was so much. His wife committed suicide in front of him, shot herself in the heart, and he left her to go to the front line while she was still alive.

He left her with his 13 year old son to take care of her while she tried to kill. She eventually died, but, I mean, he was. His whole life became.

Did he feel remorse for this?

I don't know. I don't know. But eventually, during world War two, he was a jew, and he saw all of his other jewish friends that were scientists get pushed out and arrested and all these different things that happened to him. And he wound up fleeing, and he died while he was fleeing. I think he died of heart failure. He's probably just wracked with stress. I mean, the guy, his whole life. I mean, what did you do? What did you do? You created this amazing thing that allows nitrogen to get into the soil and feed millions of people, stop starvation for millions of people. And you also created the gas that's killing your own people in concentration camps. And you also created war crimes by being the first government, the first army to spray chemicals at the troops. That just kills everybody indiscriminately. Men, women, children, anybody downwind, dead.

So then who decides? Like, when is there the conversation where all the countries unanimously agree on what are war crimes and what are not? Like, you can kill someone with a bullet. That's okay.

Mm hmm.

Right. As long as they are not an innocent civilian.

Yeah, but then what about metadata? Right?

What does that mean?

Do you know how they target some people with bombs? Okay, so let's say you're a terrorist, and let's say you're hanging out in this building and the government knows where you are because they have your cell phone. So they have the metadata of yourself, so they know your cell phone is in this room.

Boom, game over.

Everybody dead. Everybody dead. Not just you, not just me, not just Jamie. Security staff.

This is drones.

People next door. Yeah, that's what they do.

Yeah. Yeah.

So you know what the percentages of innocent people that die in drone strikes?

99, we don't know.

Really, because here's the problem then.

This is.

This has to be like, we have to be kind of honest about this. Like, they lie too, right? Like they'll say I'm a bad guy. Right? They'll say, oh, you killed 30 children. And, you know, they'll take photos and you're. So you're getting some of the information. As far as the.

They never go.

Good shot, right?

Yeah.

So we don't know the exact numbers. There's estimated numbers, but for sure it's not more bad guys. For sure it's more innocents than it is bad guys. And the high estimates are in, like, the 80 and 90% of innocent civilians that die in drone strikes.

And what is the justification?

Cause there's a bad guy over there, we gotta get that bad guy, and it's in another country. So when it's in another country, you can kinda get away with some shit.

But also, I imagine the justification is like that one bad guy could have killed hundreds of thousands of good guys.

That's.

That's their steel man argument for it, I imagine. Because they also have to have a justification. It can't happen without them going, hey, we thought about this.

Exactly.

And then imagine the person that you need to pull the trigger on that or push the button.

Right.

Like the constitution that they have to have. Yeah, that's a lot of guilt. This goes back to the sociopathy.

Oh, they have massive PTSD.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Those people that run, they say it's a unique form of PTSD because they weren't really there.

Right. They're behind a fucking video console, Xbox controller. Have presidents ever said that? Like, have. Like, did Lincoln write anything about the death toll during the Civil War? Like, I wonder if even modern day, like, does Obama talk about it? The people that died, the bushes?

Like, I think you can't.

George Bush has handled Iraq better than anybody in history.

Just been painting. He's just painting dogs and shit, giving.

Little fucking lozenges to Michelle. Like, there's nothing that's going. And maybe you need somebody that's kind of not got a lot going on up there to do it.

Well, I don't think it's a coincidence that they made movies about Dick Cheney afterwards. They made him out to be this monster.

I feel like that's taking all accountability away from the guy who was in charge. It's very easy to be like, yeah, it was just him. This guy's got to co sign it too. And that's the job. If you're the head coach of the team and the assistant coach is making all the bad decisions, we still blame the head coach.

Right.

He's also the son of a great man. And you know, when your dad is Herbert Walker Bush, who was the head of the CIA, and you know, you are second fiddle. You're good at taking directions and that's why you'd make a good president. You're a good handsome man. We're going to smoke them out of their holes. You look like a president. And then let's look at old Dick. Take things behind the scenes and just look at the evidence of what they did. Right. One of the things that they give Halliburton no bid contracts for fucking billions of dollars to rebuild Iraq. How wild is this? That the guy was the vice president.

What's on the board?

He was, he was like the fucking, he was the head of Halberd.

Was he getting a piece during his vice presidency?

Yes.

Yeah, that seems like a conflict of interest. He's blowing these places up.

It's like their decisions that are causing these place to get blown up.

If I make money on building.

Dick Cheney resumes role as chairman of Halliburton company. Oh, he's back.

Wow. Maybe.

When is this?

I don't know.

This is after he left office. I might have 2000. So yeah, this was actually before.

Right.

Well now this is during the Bush administration.

Right.

Effective today, 2000. He became president right around right then.

Right.

He resumed his role while he was vice president. No, that's. I don't. I thought, I mean, I misread what.

Was happening here cuz it said.

But it says I clicked that first here. Right. Cheney will succeed Bill Bradford. Click it again. But then the second old.

Okay.

Dick Cheney resumes role. This is a new article. It says so look what it says. Dick Cheney has resumed role of chairman of board of Halvern effective today, February 1, 2000. Will also continue. That's weird that it just came out weird. Continuing his current, also continue his current position as chief executive officer of the company. Joining Halliburton. So this was right before the election. I think this is the announcement when. Yeah, that guy got confused.

Speaker one.

But February 1, 2000 means he's already in office. Correct. Or is it 2001? It's January 2001 that Bush goes into office. Right.

Election was 2000.

Yeah.

So this is eleven months earlier. So is he even named as vice president yet?

Not. Is he running with him at that time?

Became vice president January 20, almost one year later. Exactly right. But I'm saying, is he named as vice president during the. As a running mate? I'm checking when they. Right, because that's generally a little later. Once someone wins the primaries, they announced their vp.

Yeah, but if you're not actually president, you can hold another position. Or vice president. If you're not actually in government, you can up to that.

I'd like to meet.

GW says you'd like to meet him.

What would you ask me to. I would just talk to him about. I wouldn't want to dig. I would just talk to him. I just want to find out what makes him tick.

What do you think?

Halbert and reportedly reached the agreement on July 20 to allow Cheney to retire with a package of an estimated 20 million. Let's go, Dick. I mean, pulled it off, man.

Do you ever wish you didn't know all this stuff?

Yes.

The ignorance is bliss.

Yes. I feel a tremendous weight of the amount of people that pay attention to the shit. I say it's a tremendous weight. So you feel like there's some things, like, I would rather just be a hayseed just fucking hanging out on my farm in Kansas, shooting deer with bows and arrows.

That's what I was gonna ask. Like, when you're out shooting deer, that's.

My favorite time that I'm disconnected. I don't have cell phone service. I don't have shit.

You're not thinking about the deep state?

No, man. I'm thinking about mountain lions, and I'm thinking about bugling elk.

Yeah.

I'm thinking how my cardio is. Do I get enough electrolytes in me this morning? Make sure my protein take is right? You know, I'm going eight fucking miles a day, and you like hard shit.

That's something I've noticed about you. And I think it's a really important thing to. It's an important quality to have as you achieve more success, because with success, life can get easier. So if you're not addicted to difficulty and, like, hard situations, it's easy to just kind of fall into the comfort of nothing. Because there was a guy who had on the podcast, Russ, who's just. Who's awesome artist, but he was like, yeah, once you get money. Like, things become easy, and then anything that's not easy, you get very anxious about and fearful of. So you like hard things. You admire David Goggins because he's doing hard shit all the time.

Yeah.

I think a lot of times people don't like hard things, and then when they get success, hard things make them anxious and they stop doing hard things. And hard things are what make us successful. When we have nothing, we have to do hard things. We have to go up in front of crowds that might not be good. We have to go run fucking really hard. We have to work out really hard, whatever it is. And I wonder if that's when kids who grow up with very wealthy parents are not used to hard things and they don't really have to do anything hard. And if they don't have that as a core value to them, that doing hard things is good. Of course they're going to be anxious about everything. Of course they're going to use drugs. Of course they're going to be bored out of their fucking mind. So it's one of those things that, like, I don't know. As I've gotten potentially more comfortable life, I, like, have to, like, force myself to do things I'm afraid of, or I do think that I would just kind of get weak and fall apart.

Comfort is a warm and enticing poison.

Yep.

And it's a slow poison.

Yep.

You can take a little bit of it on the couch, just relaxing.

And it is nice.

Little of it. It's nice. But don't let that get into your veins because it'll make the rest of your life harder because you're going to encounter hard things. And if the hard thing that you don't voluntarily subscribe to, the hard thing that you don't force yourself into, isn't harder than the other things in life, you're going to have a hard time managing.

Yeah.

And it's voluntary.

It has to be voluntary.

You have to choose it.

You have to have discipline. There's a. I think characters like cardio. I think you have to keep it up. Yep, I do. I really do. You take a few weeks off of cardio. I think that's the same with character, and I think it's the same with doing difficult things and also self assessing, honestly, knowing where you fucked up. Like, there's moments that you have, I'm sure in your life where you look back, it might have been ten years ago, you're like, fuck, why did I say that?

Dude? Yes.

I didn't need to.

Yeah, I didn't need to say that.

I shouldn't have said that. God, I was just. Wrong place, wrong time, wrong headspace. Why did I do that? I was drunk. Why did I say that? Why did I do that? You know those things. You should know those, too.

Yeah.

You don't absolve yourself of those things. Yeah, no, those things are real. And just always, constantly strive to do better. The problem is, when people fuck up, they think of themselves as that fuck up. And that's a difficult thing for someone with a bad past. Like, dudes have been in jail. It's really difficult for them.

That becomes their identity.

It becomes a part of who you recognize. That's a part of your behavior characteristics. You don't think of yourself as the best you. When you made the right decision, when your friend calls you and you could tell him, I'm busy, bro. I can't help you be like, I could put that shit aside, go help my boy, and go help your friend. And then you show up for him, he's like, dude, you're here for me.

Thank you, brother.

I appreciate it so much, man. And you're helping him fix his tire or move or whatever the fuck it is. Those moments, man, like, unite human beings. They're like, very, very important moments. And that's what everybody should strive for. You should strive for the moments when you worked really hard at something and you accomplished it. When you didn't want to get through a workout, but you did it when you finished the marathon, when you apologize for being out alive, when you told people how you feel about them, even though it felt vulnerable. I love you so much. You inspire me. You're an amazing human being, and I'm so. I'm so happy you're in my life. That's what we all should be aspiring towards.

Yeah.

Aspiring to be better versions of ourselves.

And aspiring to put ourselves in situations that we fear. Like, everything you want is on the other side of what you fear. There's somebody said that, and I really believe it, though. Like, every situation I put myself in that I'm scared of or anxious about that even if it doesn't work out perfectly, I do feel this confidence boost that I at least tried.

Yeah.

You know what I mean? I at least fucking tried. I was scared of doing it, and I fucking tried. And then if it works out, it's the best feeling in the world.

Yeah.

Pussy out. That's the worst.

That's the worst feeling.

It is the fucking word. That's the importance of, like, I don't like, the nice thing about stand up, I guess, is it, like, we know that we can't take months off.

Right?

It atrophies fast.

Fast weeks off. Yeah.

It's like, we have to go. We have to constantly go up and, yeah, there are things in life that are a million times more difficult that people have to do, but it is one of those things that's built into the thing that we kind of love, which is we have to keep doing this. And every time we try something new, it's bad.

Yeah.

But we're also addicted to that accomplishment vibe, that accomplishment energy. Like, when you get that feeling is amazing feeling of, fuck, I did it.

I also like the chaos of it. I like it when there's, like, I was hanging on the beach with my wife on something, and, like, I'm really bad with vacations. If I don't have things to do during it. I can't just hang on the beach. I cannot do it. If I'm surfing, I can do it. Or if I'm playing paddle, I can do it, but I need to do shit. Give me something to do right. And my wife knows. I don't care if we're looking at the coliseum. I'm learning. I'm asking the fucking tour guide questions. I need to do a thing.

Yeah.

Because if I'm not, my brain goes fucking crazy. It needs to be occupied.

Yeah.

I'm lucky that I have that. Imagine I was really comfy doing nothing.

Yeah.

Why would I do anything?

It's a superpower. It's.

It's.

But it has to be managed. It's like having a Ferrari engine, you know?

What do you mean?

If you have a Ferrari engine, you know, in a fucking Toyota Corolla.

Yeah. Yeah.

Like, that shit. Doesn't have the tires for it.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're into a tree, you know, you. You have to learn how to manage that kind of a mind. And you've built up a suspension and wide tires and strong carbon fiber, ceramic brakes. It's like you gotta have all those things.

So is that what you're constantly doing? Are you constantly looking for more shit you're afraid of in your life?

Well, difficult things. I like difficult things. I like. That's how I like cold, plunging. I like it because it's hard, people. I hate it. I fucking like it.

Yeah.

I don't like it.

Yeah.

Every time I'm about to do it, there's this little bitch ass part of my brain.

It's like, don't do this.

And the other part of my brain is I've built up over the years, like, shut up, pussy. I'm the boss.

So it's building the discipline. It's not even like, okay, yeah, there are great, what is it? Not side effects, but there are great main effects coming. The inflammation goes down, whatever. But it's more about building the fucking discipline to do the shit you don't want to do.

Yeah, but also because it's good for you. If it was bad for me, if I didn't want to do it, and every time I did it, it was killing me a little bit, I wouldn't do it. But I do it because I know it's. And I know you feel great when you get out of it.

But Goggins, I'm sure running all those fucking miles, like, his joints are destroyed, his feet are fucked up. There's a certain point of diminishing returns.

Yes. But also you have to have the outlier, which is you have to have the dude that's pure mind. That's all just on the drive. And that's goggins. You have to have the guy.

So he's the extreme version of disorder.

Uncommon amongst uncommon men, amongst all the psychos out there. He's king Psycho.

So it's not that he, it runs long, it's that he will do the thing despite that little voice inside of him saying, you don't want to do this.

Just tell you, he has that voice. He was. I stare at my sneakers sometimes for 30 minutes before I put those motherfuckers on.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

He'll tell you, but he always wins. It's like, dude, when I'm taking the lid off that cold plunge, as I'm taking it off, there's like, don't do it, don't do it. I'm like, shut the fuck up.

You got three more EPs of Shogun.

I set my watch and I climb right in.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And because I get through it every day, I gotta. I start the day off with a win. I won. I beat the inner bitch.

Yeah.

I conquered the inner bitch. I got in there, and then I do the workout.

That's.

That's win number two, you know? So by the time the day is over, I've done shit that most people will never do.

What do you feel when you're on vacation? Do you feel like a crazy person?

Do you feel like a wolf on a fucking pool tour in the ocean?

Yeah. Yeah.

Just going, what am I doing on this fucking thing?

Is your wife going, hey, you need a chill out.

I know how to do it. Now. First of all, every day starts out with a workout.

You have to. Yeah, I told them. I told. I was like, listen, we can go to these places the first 3 hours of the day. Yeah, I'm doing what I need to do.

Yeah.

Once I calm it all down, let's fucking drink a whatever on the beach. I don't care. Yeah, but the first three need. I need to do what I need to do.

I need breaks. Breaks are good, but I don't really need a vacation because my life is awesome. I love it. I love. I've cultivated a wonderful life. I love my family. I love my friends. I love my jobs.

Yeah.

So I'm happy. I'm a happy dude with what I do. So when I go on vacation, it's like, okay, I just want to just have fun with the family, but I have to do something about this thing.

And your family knows this bitch?

Yes, they know me.

What are your kids? Are they like, okay, he just needs to work out.

They get it.

Did you have it, too?

Yeah, yeah, they both have it.

Really?

They both have some psycho drive. One of them for art, the other one is gymnastics.

And when you see it manifested, like, for example, do you see them looking like the wolf? When you guys are on vacation, do you see them kind of pacing?

They have to do things.

You have to get busy.

Like, I had a conversation with my middle daughter at one point in time. She was like, when we first moved here, she was real anxious. And I go, you're a racehorse. You got to get back to racing. You got to get back to competing again. And as soon as she went back to that, everything was fine. She just was like, you know, didn't know. We're in a new place, making new friends. But there's, like, physical anxiety that comes with being a human being that I think activity diminishes. And you need something like that. You need the hardest thing of your day to be something that you choose. You know, it might not be, obviously, circumstances or random, and you could have a terrible thing happen to you. But if you've built up your understanding of how to get through difficult things, it'll serve you in everything you do. And if you do it voluntarily, then you've gained control over your mental process. You want us in?

Yeah.

Let me get on. So, with the kids, do you. Is this something you instill in them.

Or is it so much? Man, you gotta be real loose handed. You gotta let them be their own thing. They're their own little people. It's very fascinating.

Are you rewarding and lighting the fire? Once you see that they're really drawn.

To something, for sure. Yeah.

So you wait for them to choose, and then you lean the fuck in.

Yeah.

Well, you just. Praise is very important for kids. It means a lot. It could really motivate them to excel to higher and higher levels.

Is that easy for you to give them the positive encouragement?

Oh, it's so easy.

Yeah.

My youngest is an insane artist, dude. Let me see. I'm gonna show you this. She's 13.

Oh, wow.

Dude. She was doing crazy, crazy work when she was six. I showed one of her things to David Cho when she was, like, six or seven. He was like, holy fuck, man.

I did.

She's crazy talented.

Jesus.

Yeah. And how old is she? She's 13. She'll sit and she'll draw for hours and hours, man. Just completely, completely locked in and focused. And, you know, when I was young, I wanted to be a comic book illustrator, so I was an artist when I was young, but I wasn't as good as her. I wasn't as good. I don't think I'm as good as her now. She's 13.

Do you.

It's crazy.

Do you find yourself competing with them at all?

No. No, no. Unless we're playing games.

That's what I'm saying.

Yeah.

I'm gonna win you okay?

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

You won't give them a. You won't give nothing.

No.

Interesting.

No.

Does it drive them crazy when they lose?

No, they win. They win a lot, man.

Okay.

Okay. Okay.

I took.

We did virtual reality, and my 13 year old beat me at this sword fighting game, and she fucking loved it. She killed me. And it's like one of these. You know what sandboxes. You don't do sandbox.

Oh, this is the.

It's the dopest sandbox. You're in a warehouse.

Okay.

I love it. You have a haptic feedback vest. My favorite one is the zombie one, but we compete the zombie one, too.

This is a console that you're wearing, like a VR goggles.

You go to a place. It's called sandbox VR. It's a big warehouse, and inside these warehouses, they have these spaces that are a little larger than this room.

Okay.

Okay. And in the space, they give you a virtual reality headset. They give you a haptic feedback. You feel like you're getting hit or you get grabbed by zombies, and then they give you a gun. You have a plastic gun. Okay. And then you see yourself, you see everybody. Everybody's like tactical ops outfits on and shit with helmets. And you're like, woo. You high five, you dance, you see each other dressed as these characters, and then, you know, it's basically mapped out to the size of your body. And they put you in these things, so. And then, like, they drop you off in Deadwood Mansion, and Deadwood mansion is this haunted house and this, like, crazy scientist who've developed zombies and the zombies start invading the house, okay. And you're just gunning them down. And we always compete to see who kills the most zombies. But I have a lot of gun experience. I fucked those gun zombies up, man. I, at one point in time, had number three in the country or the number three score in the country. Yeah, bro. I went, so this is it. So let me just give you a pro tip.

If you want this, you want this game, get the shotgun. Shotgun. Face shots. You want face shots on zombies?

Yeah. Yeah.

Don't be fucking around with the legs. See, the machine guns are fun and everything like that. And you reload by just going like this.

Yeah.

Point the gun down and it reloads, bro, it's so fun. I'm so addicted to this game that you're in this house and it's all like dark and shadowy and shit. And the. The light from your pistols. What's lighting these zombies? Yeah, bro, it's so much fun. But. But, yeah, I always try to win. I try to kill the most zombies. So at the end of the day, you get the VIP.

What is the VIP?

The VIP is the most valuable player.

The MVP.

Yeah.

It's vip, though. Very important player.

Okay.

Or MV. I don't know if they say MVP, but either way. Yeah, I always win. That shit.

Yeah.

Cannot go away.

Right.

As long as it's like, you're just understanding that everyone's just trying their best.

Yeah.

So when they beat you, like, oh, my God, if they beat me at a game or something like that. Like, God damn it. Yeah, they love it. They love it.

Like, you got me.

Yeah.

But it's fun when they win. It's fun when they beat you. It's your child that's doing something really good.

How old are they now?

13 and 15, the youngest ones.

Okay. And when they were. Are there moments that you.

How old is your kid now?

Eight weeks.

Wow.

So, yeah, I'm like, are there? Everybody I talk to goes. It goes by really fast. That's the first thing they all say when I say eight weeks. And what are the moments in this stretch that you wish that you kind of held onto longer or you didn't realize how amazing they were until they were gone.

I don't really think like that.

Nothing.

Okay.

I don't think like that. I'm happy.

Yeah.

You know? And I'm happy they're healthy, and I'm happy that, you know, look.

Yeah.

I have friends that have kids that have real problems, real health problems, and it's the most heartbreaking, devastating thing to see someone going through the real struggles of a kid that is your child, that's all fucked up. So number one was healthy.

Yeah.

Like, everybody was like, don't you want a boy? I'm like, I want healthy kids.

Yeah.

I don't care if it's a girl or boy. I really. I genuinely didn't care. I just want them to be happy and healthy. Well, you don't like girls. Like, what are you saying?

Yeah.

You only want boys.

Yeah.

If I had boys, it would come with the added responsibility of training a psycho, because I'm assuming they're gonna be, like, a little me.

Yeah.

And, like, if I didn't find martial arts, I would have been a real problem.

Wait, what do you mean?

If I didn't find some outlet, some competitive, like, dangerous outlet to test me as a man. I was an angry kid, man. It's not good to grow up a boy and be an angry boy and not have an outlet because you won't have control of it.

But why do you think you were angry?

I think a lot of it is genetic.

Really?

Yeah.

There's a lot of. I think a lot of people, like, what's inside of them is genetic. It's learned experience. It's been around violence when I was young. There's quite a few things that I think are attached to it, but I think there's some part of it's genetic. There's some part of drive. I think that's genetic, too, which is interesting when you see your kids have it.

Yeah, I've talked to friends about that who have multiple kids, and they can see it in some and others, they just don't really see it out of the box.

They're different.

Yeah.

Like, my 15 year old is, like, hyper focused on things, hyper focused on athletics, hyper focused, but also very loved. Like, doesn't have this desire to prove herself. Like, I had. I was like, I'm not a loser. I'm gonna show everybody that I'm not a loser. That was, like, my drive as a kid and martial arts were the first thing that I ever did where I was like, hey, I'm not a loser.

It's also the most humbling thing.

Oh, the most humbling? Yeah, the most humbling. But I got good at it quick.

I was very lucky, but there's always someone better. I don't know, but I got lucky.

That I was going into it at the right time. I had some athletic experience, like I had done. I had wrestled, I'd done baseball. I'd played some sports. I wasn't, like, totally inept. I was a. When I played baseball, I was so selfish. I would never try to get on first home run or I strike out, and they would always tell me, just get on base, like, right? And I'd get up there. I don't give a fuck what you just said. When that ball's coming, I'm either going to be a loser or a hero. Let's go 100%. I never did not try to hit a home run. And they would always be mad at me because I could hit home runs, but I could also strike out. I struck out a lot, but if I connected, I fucking crank. I sent that ball flying, and I loved it. I loved watching that ball fly over the fence, like, yeah, I am never not going to do that. Like, if you tell me, like, just bunt, suck my dick. I'm not bunting. I don't give a fuck if we lose, I don't care.

That's why you can't do the team sports. That's why it has to be the one on one.

I'm not interested. We lost. Cause Billy dropped the ball. Fuck yourself.

Yeah.

Yeah, I did.

Yeah.

I know what I can do. When it's my time at bat. I'm in home run.

Interesting.

So when I found that there was martial arts. Yeah, I'm going for the home only. It's just me.

Yeah.

And I can get better based entirely on how much effort I put into it. Then I just became obsessed.

You still love the camaraderie.

I love the camaraderie, but you learn from the other people that are also doing the thing. I wasn't competitive with them where I had to be better than them. I wanted to be better than the people I was competing against. And they helped me to use better because are who? These are the people I train with.

Okay.

Yeah, those are family. I'm still very good friends with one of my guys that I trained with back then.

Really?

I talked to him all the time.

Yeah, yeah.

I've known him since I was 52.

Guys.

Two of those guys I've known him since I was 15 years old. One of them is just out here to visit.

It's.

It's funny that you see it even in martial arts. Like, you know, when a guy wins, the first thing he does is often compliment his coaches and his team 100%.

And you're everything we need.

That.

We need that shared. I've always got that in team sports. I love that. Like, a team win, like, with me and four other guys playing basketball when we're not as talented as the other team.

And you win.

But we win.

Yes.

Just going out for beers afterwards, talking about our. I mean, we're old fucking guys, but.

That'S more of a cooperative thing than being at bat. That's the thing about being a bat, though, is like, uh uh, this is just me.

Yeah.

Like, I'm not passing them. Look, if I could pass the ball over to you and you're open and you can get a clean shot, I would 100% do that if I was playing team sports.

Yeah.

I wouldn't be greedy like that.

Yeah.

But baseball.

Yeah. You going for it?

It's just me.

Yeah.

You going for it? That ball's coming.

It's going.

I'm saying we only need a single drip bit. Cause they would always get mad at me. I had this one coach. It was, like, very strategic, always trying to win. And he knew that if he put me up there, I was cranking that ball.

Yeah, but that is.

But I just wasn't designed for baseball. But that's you in life, though, right? But if I could figure out something where I would be 100% of my own, you know, when I got in there, like, fighting, it's a hundred percent you or comedy.

You built this team. You built all these friends, this community. But when you're on stage, it's all you.

It has to be you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But those people also help you get better. Like, when I'm doing shows and Shane Gillis is on the show and Ron White and Brian Simpson. You put strong guys on, and I'll go on stage an hour and a half into that, dude.

How funny is Darren?

Derek is so good.

Eric has grown.

He's grown so much. And being at the club, like, he's.

Doing so many sets, he's just great.

He's going, little boy, fat man. He's going back and forth to the rooms. He's doing all these sets on the road with you.

Yeah.

And he's a true, like, team guy. Like, he comes from sports in that way. Like, he's like, he wants the show to be great.

Yeah.

He wants to great humans.

He's a gem of a human being and a happy sweetheart of a guy. Everybody loves Darren.

He's so grateful for you, man. And just the grateful experience, like, well.

He was one of the first guys to take a chance to come out here.

Yeah.

You know I'm with you, Joe.

Yeah.

I'm like, all right.

And he is like, if he says that, he means that shit.

Oh, yeah, yeah.

And watching him grow, dude. Like.

But he knew also when I told him I was going to do it, I'm like, we're going to do this.

Yeah, we're going to do this.

It's going to be the greatest club in the world.

Yeah.

Which is crazy thing to say to pop up a scene in the middle of Texas. But we did it.

It's insane.

But we did it because of guys like Derek and guys like Assange and Brian Simpson and Tony Hinchcliffe. Those guys are moved here early. Tom Segura moved here early. When he says I'm in. When Tom Segura said I was in, like, early on, I was like, oh, shit, this is happening. Because Tom did it early in the pandemic. I started. I bought this house. I sent him a video from my backyard. I go, boys, what are you doing?

Get the fuck out of there late.

So fire. I go, no one here has a mask on. I go, I think this is bullshit. Come down. Let's have a. Let's have a good time. Let's hang out.

Yeah.

And Tom was like, I'm in.

He was.

He came out here early.

That means a lot to you. I felt, because it was a crazy.

Chance I was asking people to take.

Yeah.

It wasn't just, I'm gonna open up a club in Pasadena. It wasn't like, I bought the ice house.

Yeah.

Like, if I bought the ice house and there's houses for sale for a while.

Yeah.

And you know, I do. Jerry bus bought it. Right.

Owner, the Lakers or whatever, and they redid it.

And I'm super happy that they did that because it's an amazing club and I love that place. But at one point in time, I was thinking about buying.

I remember you telling me that.

I was like, maybe I just buy that place. But if I ask guys to come to the ice house, that's easy. That's a 20 minutes drive, no sacrifice. You stay in your same house. It had to be all those factors happening at the same time. It had to be COVID. It had to be this weird way that they were governing these cities and that they weren't doing it in other parts of the country, particularly Florida and here. And also that you couldn't do standup. You couldn't do any stand up in LA. They were stopping outside. Stand up at the parking comedy store. In the parking lot. They wouldn't let him do comedy outside. Yeah, it didn't make any sense. It was all crazy, and it was going on forever. And we were out here doing shows and we were putting it up on instagram, and I was like, this is.

What the fuck is happening.

Yeah, these motherfuckers are doing shows.

Yeah.

You know, and we first started doing live shows indoors in November of 2020, and it felt so wrong. It's like, what are we doing? I did one weekend out here in July of 2020, and I decided after it that I couldn't do it anymore. I didn't get sick, but I was like, but what if I did? And what if I gave it to someone? And what if that person died? Like, what if I gave it to a guest?

You felt a responsibility.

I was terrified.

Yeah.

Because I feel like I would. I would never forgive myself if I had some wonderful, sweet scientist as a guest and I gave that person COVID and they wind up dying because I was so selfish that I had to go on the road and do stand up.

This is the empathy thing.

Yeah.

So I was like, I can't do that.

You're not a sociopath.

Well, it's also just.

You're not good for the CIA, Joe.

Terrible for the CIA. I'll be terrible. I would good. If you get me in that UFO program, though, I'll keep my mouth shut.

What is this?

Get me in the UFO. Show me what you got. Show me what you got. I won't tell anybody.

Do you think they got.

I'll be a disinformation agent for you. Just want to know. I will say whatever you need.

Now, what if they say to you, Joe, you can take the UFO for a spin, but don't floor it. You can bunt in the UFO.

I would listen because I don't want to turn to jelly if you're going faster than you.

What if they said, there's no way that you can die in this machine? It's built in a way where you cannot die. But we're asking you to bunt.

I would, but you'd have to. But you have to bump because you're.

Going to have to come back to.

Come back to the ground. You're going to have to land that thing, and they're going to kill you.

All right, fair enough. They're going to fucking put you on.

An airplane with one of fucking poop boys over the adriatic sea. Listen, man. No, yeah, yeah.

You gotta.

Look, if they get you in the UFO, first of all, I wouldn't ask to pilot it. I just like, you just want to do it for a spin.

Show me.

Show me what the fuck this thing does. Where did it come from? Where'd it come from? And then. And then. And then I say, okay, so what do I tell them? China? I'll tell you whatever. Chinese, man. So that's how they're super advanced.

That's the last thing for you. It's UFO. It's. If once you feel that, well, it.

Would suck to go to your grave and not know, because it seems like something for. It's not what I thought when I was young. When I was young, I thought, UFO's are probably real. But a lot of these stories are bullshit. And I don't even know if UFO's actually are real or if people are just liars, or if it's something that we want to believe because of science fiction, right. Orson Welles and all that stuff. But now I don't think that anymore. Now I think because of talking to guy. Well, you. You and I went to dinner with Bob Lazar before he did the podcast, which was how fascinating.

I always tell people I believe he believes it.

Yeah.

That doesn't mean that it exists, but I don't think he's a liar.

I don't think he's a liar, either, but I don't know, because some people are really good at that shit.

Again, I'm just going off of, like, the vibe. Just the vibe that I got.

Yeah.

But the vibe is hard because he wants to believe.

I remember at the dinner, he's like, listen, I'm not here to prove it. I don't even need to do it. I don't like doing this. It hurts my life. He said all the. Maybe the right things, but he didn't come across as so charismatic. Like, usually people are really good at lying, or very charismatic.

Also, they lie about other stuff, too.

Yeah.

I mean, I didn't know enough about him to say, but, like, he didn't have the charisma of someone that could, like, trick and manipulate me. He came across as pretty authentic and almost kind of rattled by the whole experience. Like, it was. It almost felt traumatic when he was talking about it. Yeah, it did.

He told us something, too, that made a lot more sense, because one of the things that he's criticized about is his education background. He said he went to MIT, but he said there's no record of him at MIT. He's like, yeah, because there wasn't a record of me at MIT because I was involved in a program that you can't really say. We can't say what he was involved in. Yeah, but when you hear what they're involved, what they were actually working on, you go, oh, yeah, well, that's. You're not even supposed to do that. So I would imagine that if you're gonna get educated in that, it's not important that you get a degree that shows that you learned it from these people. What's important is you get the information that you need in order to implement this plan.

Yeah.

Which was wild, and you hear that. But the thing about it is the other things they try to disprove him on, he has shown that it was accurate. One of them, that he worked at Los Alamos Labs.

Right?

So they said that he never worked there, but he did work there. He did work there. He's on the employee roster. So not only that, he had an intimate knowledge of the building. When George Knapp went with him to Los Alamos Labs, he knew where everything was. He knew the security guards. He knew the system.

Who's George Knapp?

George Knapp is an investigative reporter that broke the story in 1989, and he's been on it ever since. And he also does a podcast with Jeremy Corbell.

Yeah, I know Jeremy.

It's all about this phenomenon. And George Knapp is one of the best journalists that's ever covered it because he's, like, covered it from the beginning. And he will tell you what he knows, what he doesn't know. And he's not a bullshitter in any way, shape, or form. He's a hard nosed, facts based journalist. Who was the first guy to talk to Lazar. And Lazar talked to him because he thought they were going to kill him. Because he had started bringing people to watch the test flights. Because he got fired. He got released. And the reason why he got released is when you're on top secret clearance, when you're working for the government and they fly you to Area 51 and you're doing fucking work on spaceships, you're not allowed to tell anybody, including your wife. So he get a phone call, like, 11:00 p.m.. I got to go to work. And he would leave, and the wife was like, this motherfucker's cheating on me?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So she starts having an affair. So she starts having an affair. Exactly. So she starts having an affair and she starts having an affair. And all their phones are tapped, of course, but she doesn't know their phones are tapped because she doesn't know what he's doing.

Why would she?

Because he can't tell her what he's doing. So she starts fucking this guy. And then they're worried that he's going to be in a situation of emotional turmoil because the effect. So they don't share the information with him. They just release him. He's now fired. So he's going back to his friends. Like, I'm working on fucking UFO's. They have real UFO's. They test them every Wednesday. So he takes people out to area 51, to an area that's restricted now. But back then, before the Obama administration came along. In the Obama administration, they expand the boundaries of area 51. It was the first time they admitted area 51 even existed. So they had to expand it because too many people were getting close enough to film things. So these guys went out there and they filmed these fucking flying saucers flying around. There's videos of the saucers. There's videos of these things moving around in the desert. See if you can find them. This grainy area 51 footage. So they're doing these things where these vehicles are operating in a way conventional vehicles in 1989 were absolutely incapable of doing, as far as our understanding of it.

He gets arrested. They catch him. What are you doing? And he says, he just spills the beans. I got fired. I wanted to let people know that this is real now his life's in danger now. He's like, they're gonna fucking kill me. So he contacts George Knapp and he's like, I think that if I just go public with this, I'll be spill the bills. So initially, he does it with his face hidden. So the initial interviews he does with his face hidden, he's, like, silhouetted. And then he decides, I have to go public with all this. So he does these interviews. He's explaining everything. He draws diagrams. He explains this element that was only theoretical at that point. It was element 115.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

They didn't find it in proof of it until they used a particle collider in, like, the two thousands.

I want to say Switzerland or whatever.

I want to say, like, 2013 ish. Okay, so this is 1989.

Wow.

This is Bob Lazar in 1989. And this is him explaining all of the different stuff that he had to do there where it is. And by the way, at this point in time, this was all just legend. No one knew if area 51 was real. And they had these hangers. So these are these crafts that he brought people out to film. He's like these things, they move silently. They move with a gravity propulsion system that's operating off of this element, element 115. And this element 115, when hit with radioactive waves, it becomes this thing that can manipulate gravity with this generator that is in the center of these ships. They don't have any controls. Everything is controlled, like the human being interface. The alien creature interfaces with this machine biologically or through some sort of. They might not even be human at that point. They might be like, well, we're going to be some sort of a combination of artificial intelligence and biology, or strictly artificial intelligence at this point. And these things interact with this craft, and that's how it moves. There's no, like, buttons you switch, like, alien and fucking joysticks, like the millennium Falcon.

There's none of that shit. It's all done with the creature. So he gets into this thing, first of all, he realizes there's no seams. It doesn't make any sense. Well, now we know what 3d printing is. Now, you know, we can make a thing with no seams, but back then, they don't know what the fuck it is. And he realized, like, right away, like, this is not ours. When he first saw it, he thought, oh, now I know what all this UFO bullshit is about. Yeah, we have them. It's ours. We're working on this. That makes sense. And they actually had an american flag sticker on one of them. They put an american flag sticker on one of the UFO, which is smart, which is fun. Yeah, it's fun.

You want other people to think, that's ours.

Yeah.

But then he gets in and he realizes, designed for something that's 3ft tall, there's no seams, there's no controls, and it has this reactor in the center of it that defies anything we have any current understanding of in terms of what we believe is possible for propulsion systems. This is something completely alien, and it involves a stable element that is only theoretical at this point. They don't even know it exists. And they have a triangle, like a form of this stuff that's in the center of this. See if you could find the video where he's describing the element, the gravity.

Generator, but the elements, that triangle thing they were talking about, is that the engine, or is that essentially the gas flame?

That's the fuel. That's the fuel.

Got it.

This thing, when bombarded with radiation, produces this. I'm obviously butchering this, but produces this. See how he explains it? Put the headphones on. Powering the gravity amplifiers. Do it from the beginning. Here we go.

So it's the reactor here. Powering the gravity amplifiers. Gravity amplifiers. Output goes into the gravity emitters at the bottom, and the resulting gravity beam, or anti gravity wave, can be pretty much put anywhere you want it to. I had access and was permitted to view and look at the operation of this main level with the gravity amplifiers and the level below the gravity emitters. People call these large, black, rectangular areas on the top portholes. I believe they were some planar sensor array that just took in information from the surrounding area, whether it be patterns.

Of stars or what have you.

So we got the shape right. Like, the Sci-Fi people got the shape right.

Yeah.

Well, they knew about it a long time ago. Kenneth Arnold saw flying saucers in the 1950s. He was a pilot. It was, like, one of the first. See if you can see the Kenneth Arnold sightings. It's one of the first reputable disclosures, because it was an american fighter pilot, right. Seeing these things, and he's describing them as, like, flying saucers skipping, and all of them, they started all happening. That's what he said he saw. They started seeing these things right after the bombs dropped. That's when everything started really popping off in this country. That's why the rooms in my club are named fat man and little boy. They're named after the atomic bombs, because that's what started the whole UFO invasion.

Aliens see this explosion? What are they doing down there? We got to go check them out. I think that kind of checks out. I mean, that's what I would do.

Yeah.

If I was from another planet. And I realized, oh, these territorial primates have just developed new weapons, and they're dropping them out of propeller planes on cities.

Yo, we got to check this.

We got to investigate. These people are going lower our safety.

Because they could come for us if they have 100%.

What if they've developed the ability to traverse the cosmos?

That's funny. And then they see that we're just dropping them on each other, and they're like, eh, they'll be fine.

Yeah, depending on who you listen to. See, one of the craziest things that Lazar talked about was that what human beings are and what this planet is is essentially a farm for souls, and that there's some need for the. The essence of a life form, a soul. Now, if you've created artificial intelligence. Imagine if there's one hurdle that cannot be bypassed, and that hurdle is a soul, and that it's actually a real thing, and it's a real. Not just an energy, it's a type of matter. It's something. It's something legitimate that creates an individual thing, a life form. And these creatures, maybe they need souls.

So AI is not going to be sufficient.

I don't know. But this is the weirdest thing that he talked about. He said that we're essentially a farm for souls. But what does that mean? Like, what do they need souls for? But imagine if, like, there is, like, this process of existence, right? So you have single celled organisms that eventually become more advanced and become predator and prey. And then you have this one intelligent, dominant form that starts figuring out tools, and that's the primates. And over time, the primates evolve, and the primates get to the point where they started using machines and internal combustion engines. They're using propulsion. They're using all these different things. They're figuring out flight. Then they're figuring out atomic energy and weapons. And there's this transition that will continue, and that transition will go into more and more advanced technology if they don't blow themselves up. So if what our natural evolution is, is to go from being Australia Pithecus, to go from being the cousin of the chimpanzee to being what we are today to being what we will be in the future, I think what we will be in the future is probably them. When you see these aliens with these giant heads, these little spindly bodies and no genitals, we seem like we're on that path.

Like, that seems like a natural. It doesn't seem like if Bigfoot was flying UFO's, you'd be like, why are we Bigfoot again? I thought we passed that. I thought we evolved past. You don't need the muscles, hairy brutes. And we became this thing that's, like, gentle and telepathic, and it doesn't use any muscular force. Everything is done through telekinesis. The communication is telepathic. The communication with the craft is telepathic. Everything is done through this way of integration with technology, because they've become physically integrated. They might not even be biological anymore, but they might still need souls. Soul might be a force, it might be a thing that's necessary for the cultivation of another version of us on another planet. If this is a process just like a garden, right? Where you have the soil, you till the soil, you fertilize it, you plant the seeds, you water it, they grow, the crops grow, and then you harvest them. This is a process that. And that's what human beings are just like. You have a fucking elk farm in New Zealand, and that's how you get tenderloins. It's a process. Like, you have to do all these things to get this result.

What if we're a farm for souls.

But who's farming us?

Advanced life forms.

So they need our souls for something. It's an energy source for them in some way.

It sounds ridiculous. No, no, but it sounds ridiculous even as I'm saying it and as you were repeating it, like they need us for souls. It sounds like some L. Ron Hubbard science.

No, but to me that makes sense. Why they would be concerned about the nuclear bombs is because if we destroy ourselves, they no longer have. Exactly.

Yeah.

We kill the farm. Right now the farm's doing great. There's more people than ever. That's what we like. As long as we don't have a massive depopulation event like a nuclear war.

Yeah, and that makes sense that it would, you know, catch their attention. They'd come in, they'd be like, yeah, well, we got to kind of shut this thing down.

Or at least we are really the product of accelerated evolution, which is much speculated.

What does that mean? We're the product of accelerated evolution, which.

Is like, look, we are very, very, very, very different from everything else on this planet by a long stretch. Not by a couple of years, by a long stretch, you know, by every other primate. The best they can do is use a stick to get termites.

Yeah.

You know? Oh, well, one thing is orangutan spearfish.

Oh.

They're making weapons.

They figured out how to spearfish, and they learned it from us, apparently. Yeah, but they can do that. Or rangitans use tools.

But isn't there that now they're at a different level in the evolutionary chart?

Yeah, yeah. The current understanding is that they have begun the Stone Age.

Yeah. Yeah.

Kind of cool to see it happen.

Crazy to see it happen. So if you ever seen the orangutan spearfish.

No, no, this picture.

Yeah, Jamie, pull it.

It's.

It's bananas. This rag tang is stabbing fish while hanging from a tree like this. He's like stabbing fish with one arm.

Yeah, yeah.

They figured out how to use tools, so if.

Whoa, whoa.

This is actually interesting. So if we're watching them in their stone age, it's completely plausible that some other life form is watching us in our advanced state of evolution. Look, at that dude, get the fuck out.

In that wild, homeboy spear fishing, hanging on with his feet in one arm.

Wow.

I mean, it's nuts, man. It's fucking nuts.

Wow.

He observed local fishermen do it, and he figured out how to do it himself. Pretty fucking crazy.

Wow.

Pretty dope. He's probably the king pimp of all of the orangutans. Yeah, he's the dude who figured it out. They're probably all like, whoa, this guy's a wizard. He gets fish like, oh, there's a video of it.

I was hoping there was, but I started, holy shit.

Fucking crazy. Crazy.

So I could believe that I could subscribe to that.

Things evolved. If you left them alone like that, spear fishing for 500,000 years, a million years, who knows what? They'd probably look like cavemen.

Yeah.

But eventually they look like cavemen, depending upon what is causing this advancement and how quickly. So that's the mushroom question. So that's the stone date theory. Terrence McKenna believed that it had a lot to do with the consumption of psilocybin mushrooms.

Yeah.

Now, is the psilocybin mushrooms what? It allows you to solve problems in an outside of the box way, like.

What kind of a competitive formation of language through glossolalia. Like, glossolalia is like, you start associating sounds with objects and language, the formulation of language, then psilocybin would aid in that, aid in creativity, aid in visual acuity. They've done studies where they showed that people under doses of psilocybin detect edges quicker. So, like, if you have two lines that are moving, that are parallel lines, if you deviate one even slightly, people on psilocybin notice it quicker than people that aren't on psilocybin. So it increases visual acuity. It makes people hornier, so it makes people more likely to breed. It makes you a better hunter because it increases your visual acuity. You're understanding a space, probably you're more tuned in and more sensitive to things. There's a lot of folks out there micro dosing on mushrooms, and it helps them do a lot of things.

Could AI be this next. Could be. Could AI for us be what mushrooms.

Were for these primates, but times a billion.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So that's where you see that next leap. So mushrooms come around, the apes start using tools, doing whatever they want, and then now you accelerate evolution.

Well, the mushrooms probably are the seed for artificial intelligence, because the mushrooms give you the creativity to start doing wild things in the first place, which always leads to technology, which leads to a life form.

And now with AI, you have that with exponential growth.

Exactly.

They're solving millions and trillions of problems in a minute.

Not only that, they can make a better version of themselves once they become sentient, then they become God, because they make better versions of themselves with no end in sight. So if you have an artificial intelligence that is intelligent as every human being on earth combined, which is essentially what they think is going to happen when you get that is all the knowledge of all human beings, then he's going to find the flaws in all of our methods, and then it's going to be using quantum computing. So it's going to have the type of computing power that's, who knows, a million, a hundred million times what we have today. And then it's going to develop better versions of quantum computing. It's going to develop better methods of extracting energy from all sorts of different resources. It's not going to need lithium.

This is where the graph goes vertical.

It just goes straight up and it never stops. It's going to harness the very power of the universe itself. It literally can become a God if you just keep going. If artificial intelligence is allowed to keep exponentially growing and it gets past being far more intelligent, how many more steps is it until it's Doctor Manhattan? Is it a week? Is it a month? Is it a year? Whatever it is, it's going there. It's going to get to a point where it can time travel. It's going to get to a point where it can show up on other planets instantaneously. It's going to get to a point where it can harness all the available power in the universe itself and use it and manipulate it and figure out how to create it. It might be able to create new universes. What is a uni? If a universe is created, if a big bang exists, if there is a singularity, if there is a moment where there's something that's infinitely small, why wouldn't.

It be able to create the exact same thing?

Why wouldn't it be? If it can be done, if it can be created, if it is a thing, if it is a thing that's dependent upon the forces of the universe itself in a deep understanding of those forces, an understanding of those forces in the quantum level, the subatomic level, at everything. Look at the subatomic level. Everything is magic. Particles in superposition are both moving and stable at the same time.

You're saying the laws of physics don't apply to it becomes magic. Got it, got it, got it.

Most of atoms. Atoms are empty space. We don't even understand what the fuck is going on. We know that particles communicate instantaneously with other particles that are nowhere near them, miles away.

There are two places at the same time.

They're intertwined in some strange way that we don't understand. If something becomes so advanced that it has control over those forces and it utilizes all of those forces and it literally has a complete understanding of. Of everything that's happening at every given time in the entire universe.

So this could potentially happen in our lifetime, right?

Let's say if it doesn't, it's gonna happen in our kids lifetimes, if our kids make it.

But think about it. If we. If it happens in our lifetime, our generation will have lived before the Internet. The Internet and singularity.

Yeah, the singularity. What a crazy 2045 is what Kurzweil believes.

Imagine we lived through all of that. Imagine we lived through the time where I couldn't get in touch with you unless you were home and could hear your phone, and we could also live in a time where I could instantaneously be at your fucking house.

Yeah.

In the same life.

Yeah.

We're probably the civilization this our time period that's experienced the most radical change other than like obviously wars, nuclear bombs, things like that, that hit your. That's pretty radical change. But globally, the most radical change in terms of how the culture communicates with itself, with the access to information, what's true and what's not true. There's never been a time like this.

Who's leading the AI research in the world right now?

Well, there's quite a few different companies that are competing. There's the Google AI shut down. United States supposedly is in the lead there.

I imagine they.

They'll be the first to hit that switch.

Why? Because they just don't have the same.

Yeah.

Yeah. That is the advantage of not giving a fuck.

Not giving a fuck and having a dictatorship.

Yeah.

You know, with a singular goal we don't have.

And also a country like you have to respect the history of China. China has thrived economically for 4000 years.

Yeah.

They kept it all together.

China has a temple of the first emperor.

Yeah.

Where they are afraid to enter it because apparently he booby trapped it with so much mercury that you open the doors, it'll just flood everyone with mercury. He created some crazy booby trap, and all the ground around that area tests very high in levels of mercury. So they think some of it is like, seeping into the ground. So they think it's true. So this is the guy that had the terracotta statues that are guarding.

They're underwater?

No, it was all underground. It was all buried. So he had this temple that's underground that is probably filled with who knows how many priceless artifacts, and people are afraid to open it. This is the first emperor of China.

Google.

The first emperor of China's trying to find out, bro. They can't open the temple. They want to go in and see it, but they're afraid it's booby trapped with mercury. Like, how much fucking mercury would you have to have?

And how long ago are we talking about?

Like, before BC. What year was it? January 94 BC.

Wow.

The booby trap legend. Circa 94 BC. I don't know how to say his name. Sima Kwan wrote a clear and illuminating description of what lies beneath the 51.3 meters high mound in his famous work, the shijit. In the 9th month, the first emperor was buried at Mount Lee. When the first emperor had just come to the throne, excavations and building work had taken place at Mount Lee. But when he unified all under heaven, convicts to the number of more than 700,000 were sent there from all over the empire. They dug through the three springs and poured down molten bronze to make the outer coffin and replicas of palaces, pavilions. All the various officials and wonderful vessels and other rare objects were brought up to the tomb, which was then filled with them. Craftsmen were ordered to make crossbows and arrows which would operate automatically so that anyone who approached what had been excavated was immediately shot. Quicksilver mercury was used to represent the various waterways, the Yangtze and yellow rivers, and the great sea, being made by some mechanisms to flow into each other. And above were arranged the heavenly constellations, and below was the layout of the land.

Candles were made out of whale fat. Alternative literal translations. Mermaid ointment. Wow. Or man fish oil. What the fuck does that mean? Human oil, probably from burned people's fat. For it was reckoned that it would be a long time before they were extinguished. The second generation said it would not be right that any of the previous emperors concubines should emerge from this place unless she has a son. They were all ordered to accompany him to death, and those who died were extremely numerous. After the burial had taken place, someone mentioned the fact that the workers and craftsmen who had constructed the mechanical devices would know about all the buried treasures, and the importance of the treasures would immediately be disclosed. Consequently, when the great occasion was finished and after the treasures had been hidden away, the main entrance way to the tomb was shut off and the outer gates lowered so that all the workers and craftsmen who had buried the treasure were shut in and there were none who came out again. And the vegetation and trees were planted to make it look like a hill. So they killed 700,000 workers, is that what they're saying?

Thus we find the source of the legends we know today. But Sima Kwan wrote in his description 123 years after the death of Xi Huang. Could his fantasy like account of the mermaid ointment, probably whale oil, flowing rivers of mercury, 700,000 laborers, crossbow booby traps, and buried alive workers be credible? Or is he just writing for effect? Can we trust the descriptions? Jesus says that one of the camp's historians celebrates the trustworthiness of Sima Kwan by emphasizing the extreme care which seema Kwan gathered and weighed available evidence in an attempt to convey an objective portrait of the chinese past. Other camps are more skeptical, stressing there were intensely personal motivations that prompted Sime Kwan's. Is that how I say it? Am I saying it right? Seema Quain decision to complete masterwork of history begun by his father. The more suspicious camp accuses Quan of exaggerating his accounts by being too much of a lyrical romanticist, too religious to convey an accurate depiction of history. But either way, they do. They found mercury all around that area and they still have not opened it. They're still worried. This is like thousands of years later.

Has China ever been fractured? Like in the way that Europe is fractured? Or even the roman empire had this large swath of land and control and then it's been broken up. China seems like this massive landmass with all these people for a very long period of time. How do you maintain that?

That's the way they do it. I mean, it's kind of impressive.

It's unbelievably impressive.

It's very impressive. It's very impressive that they've been around for 4000 years and that they've done this.

And what is maintaining that power? But what is it just fear? Is it religion?

Is it fear?

It's.

I don't think that they're very religious. Right.

No.

At least now they're not.

Well, they, they definitely shun other religions like the Uighurs.

I think they shun all because it's, you know, is a threat to the power.

Right. It's about the state.

But to maintain that identity, to maintain a cultural identity for pretty impressive 4000 years.

Uh huh.

Wow. How do you do that?

You do it by playing 4d chess, that's for sure. Yeah, they're definitely doing that. I mean, the involvement in our education institutions, buying up american farmland.

What do you think about that? Like, they're clearly playing a different game.

Oh, yeah. They're playing an sophisticated game.

Yeah.

And they're using, I think, capitalism against us. And I think that's something that we got to be a little bit more aware of. Like, capitalism is amazing system, but it's amazing when you're the richest country, when there are other countries with wealth, they can start buying things and they can start implementing their influence when they hold the carrot.

Right.

Like, that's the scary thing. You can change culture without even telling people to change. When you know that China buys ten movies and they have to be made with these specifications. Right. The Hollywood will start making movies according to those specifications because they want to make the money.

Yeah.

Right. But now China is influencing our culture and the movies that disseminate America on the hope that China will buy them. They don't all get bought, but the movies are different.

Yeah.

How else can they influence like that? If you hold the fucking carrot, you can put anything you want out there.

Yes.

And they hold. They don't hold all the carrots, but they can partially hold it. It is a dangerous thing. You have to be concerned with how much foreign investment comes into your country.

We just let other countries who are enemies buy land.

Yeah.

That is peculiar.

Not just that.

We.

We let them sell us routers, sell us networking equipment because it's cheaper.

I thought we stopped that.

Well, they still have a lot.

I thought. I thought that was the whole Huawei thing, where only Huawei.

That was only Huawei. But if you look at, like, Mike Baker laid this out to me, all of the cell towers and all the stuff that's around, like, military bases, a lot of the equipment has been provided by China. I can't factor provided cheaper.

I can't fathom that our military would be purchasing technological equipment from the same.

Military that made Rachel Levine the first female admiral. You don't think, you know, they could fuck that up, too? The same military that made that fucking bag stealer, that bald headed bag stealer who was stealing shit. That was the person in charge of nuclear waste disposal.

And are they an expert in any way?

Oh, no. They're an expert in wearing women's shoes.

That's it.

That's all you have to be. So you have to be. Just got to check the right box. We're in the DEI program now, bro, and a lot of that is also funded by China. A lot of Russia as well. And they look, Yuri Bezmanov talked about this in the 1980s, how they've infiltrated our education institutions.

Yeah.

And then they're slowly turning us into Marxists and they're slowly having us erode our faith in democracy and our pride in the country.

Yeah.

Pride does seem like it said an all time low. It's a really disappointing thing.

Yeah.

But I feel like it's like waves, like, things go.

Pendulum shift.

Yeah.

Pendulum shifts 100%. But it is one of those things over corrections.

There's recurrections, you know, like, I think that's the defund the police thing, too. That's the over correction.

Yeah. Right.

And then the no cash bail. That's the over correction.

Yeah. People.

Oh, my God. Look at all this chaos and crime. We gotta.

Yeah, yeah.

Shift back.

And hopefully they do and hopefully they figure that out.

But what about pride? How do we instill pride? How do we make people proud to be part of the american experience? It's not to say that all of us are not. There's definitely a lot that are, but how do we. How do we reinstall that?

I think one of the things. It's a simplistic answer, but.

Yeah.

One of the things is american manufacturing and american made things.

Yeah.

What are we doing? And have people support american made companies and give people real jobs where they get. Just because something costs less, because it's made in a country where people get paid nothing, doesn't mean you should buy that. And if you could buy something that maybe costs more, but it gives people a living wage and health care and they have families and they could buy a house, that's what you should be buying.

Why are you proud to be american?

It's a great fucking place.

Yeah, it is.

It's the best.

It's the cultural center point of the whole planet.

It's the only place you can live all twelve months.

Really?

Where else would you live for twelve months? Name another country. Bali. Fuck out of here. You can go rainy season in Bali, walking around in fucking rainbow sandals like Burt Kreicher. You're out of your mind. So rain a lot in Bali?

Yeah.

Yeah. You don't get that green without the rain.

Right. So you get like typhoons and shit.

Yeah.

You're not living tropical storm, son.

You don't want it.

You don't want tropical, especially not without infrastructure.

Yeah.

But you don't want to live in Kansas either when the tornadoes come, but.

You have the opportunity to not live there.

That's true.

That's the thing about America.

You can live November to April, the wet season.

Yeah.

Often called the rainy season or monsoon season. Heavy storms and downpours.

We're not doing it. Okay, but what I'm trying to say is, like, there isn't another country that you can live all twelve months of the year.

You go to Abu Dhabi, they make.

It rain in the fucking. But think about it. In the summer, in July, in Abu.

Dhabi, right away, the Saudis would come to Ed LA for relief.

Of course. They go to London. Who goes to fucking London?

Yeah.

For weather, right?

So it's like this is the only one. I genuinely. I cannot think of another 112 months.

The whole country.

Yeah.

And Phoenix, you can live the whole country all year round.

But you can move around here.

Yeah.

You can live.

True.

If you have the money, you can live in New York for these months. You go to Florida, you go to whatever, there's an option.

Right.

You know what I mean?

That's a good point.

You can't live anywhere else. But that's not the pride thing for me. I think. I think the pride thing is like, I truly believe you can be the best version of yourself here. And I think anybody else in the world can be the best, most successful version of themselves here. And that's why I'm proud to be american. Well, you can reach your full potential in this country.

It's a fun place.

Hey, there's a lot of fun places. But can you reach your full potential in these other places? They took fucking Jack Mac and they brought him into a basement.

Yep.

When he got too powerful in China, talked a little. He thought he was bigger than the system, so they shut it down. They saw what has happened. Our tech billionaires here, and they're like, hey, we're not going to let that fucking shit happen here. You're going to the basement here. I'm not saying Joe Rogan isn't going to be successful no matter where he goes, but you're going to have fucking issues. If you're in China coming and having this much influence and a podcast and do it. You're going to have a talk.

Yeah.

You're going to have some basement talks.

Yeah.

But in this fucking country, you can be the greatest version of yourself. And I don't know if there's another country that offers that opportunity, and more.

Importantly, anyone that's trying to stop that is un american. If you're trying to send someone's grace, yes. If you're trying to stifle people's growth.

And Americans will fight for you because of it, it happens. This is the hit piece thing. When we see the hit piece, it tears at, like, our american identity. Even if you don't admit you are, there's a part of you that's going, whoa, whoa. This person's trying to be great, and we're all here because we're trying to be great, or our family came here to be great, and this pun is trying to be great, and the world is trying to stop that. Fuck them.

It's.

Some people are trying to stop that.

Some people are trying to stop that. But we're still, we have animosity for those people that are trying to stop greatness, because it is a core tenant here.

Yes.

You can be great. An individual can be great here.

Yeah.

And I think that's a really special thing that we kind of lose here, that we lose sight of. But it is what makes me proud. Maybe it's because my mom's not from here, and she came here and she felt like she had all this opportunity, and it was like, you can't tell my mom it's not the greatest country in the world. So I'm kind of like, I grew up with that. And of course, there's tons of problems, but this idea that, like, you can.

Really achieve, you're always going to have problems when you have human beings.

Yes.

And there's no perfect solution. Like, universal basic income isn't the perfect solution. Welfare is not the perfect solution. There's no perfect solution to fix all that ails us. But at least here, you can go from the bottom to the top.

You can go for it.

Yeah.

You can really go for it.

And you're not, like, start from the bottom now, facts.

And some places, like, you might have the aptitude to go from the bottom to top, but the culture will be oppressive.

Yeah.

And I'm not even talking about third world. I'm not talking about China. I'm talking about, there are places where there's a system where, like, hey, you're working class. How dare you try to not be working class.

Yeah, that's what my friends in England said. My friends in England. My mom's from Scotland.

That's what it was. Trying to be great.

Mm hmm.

And here it's like, wait, you're not trying to be great.

Right.

Why aren't you trying to be great? That you have the opportunity to be great.

Right.

And when we see greatness, we support it.

Yeah.

That's not to say that we, we don't have jealousy and animosity, but there still is a version of it here where it's like, nah, that motherfucker is great. And I am excited by that person's greatness.

If you're a winner, if. But then you're also going to have a bunch of people that are just happy when you fall.

That's humans.

Yeah.

That is humans. We have it too.

Yeah.

But there's not a cultural oppression that exists for greatness.

Exactly.

The place is built to go to the top.

Yep.

And it makes me proud for me. I really, like, I wish more people would grab onto that idea.

Yeah.

And it's all of us too. That's what's so crazy about the idea of the american flag. The symbol. The american flag is offensive.

It's the best flag.

It's, but it's so crazy that that's, that's all of us. That's even the good, the stuff that you think is good about America. Even if you like the hardcore, the most hard, far left, hippie, fucking anarchist, like, yeah, you are a part of America. Your ideas are America as well. That flag is yours.

And we kind of need them. We need every need that. We need that back and forth. We need that pendulum to sweat.

We do need balance because, yeah, you.

See what happens when there's just people existing in that echo tree. You saw what happens in fucking, you know, San Francisco or even LA. You see like an idea permeates and then a very lax law or a lack of enforcement of that law create a culture that people are now not happy with. If you ask the average person in LA or San Francisco, they're like, maybe we need some rules now. I think rules would be okay. We could punish some crimes. It's okay. When you exist in the echo chamber, you're fighting for different sides of liberalism. You don't have that balance where these people are yelling at these people and we kind of end up in here. And that's healthy, right? That little back and forth is healthy, right? And yeah, I don't know. I'm just I get stoked off the american experience. But it does make me sad when I feel like everybody's upset about, the right thinks it sucks, the left thinks it sucks. Everybody just thinks it sucks. And it's like, I don't know, man.

Well, I just think there's a lot of problems that exist today that weren't problems decades ago. For example, particularly social issues with the impact of social media has thrown this country into a fucking turmoil.

What do you mean?

It's a force that we didn't anticipate the amount of echo chambers that exist. The amount of people that gather up together in these groups, and they have full confirmation bias. They only believe one side. They disregard all evidence from the other side. They dig their heels in. They want to be on the right side of history. They want to win.

Win.

If Donald Trump wins, the threat to democracy. Joe Biden's a criminal. He's a threat to democracy. Our whole life is at stake with this election. If you're on the wrong side, you've been co opted by the bad people. There's just so much tension that exists today where you can't have a difference of opinion with your neighbors, where it used to be. If your neighbor was a Republican and you were a Democrat, nobody gave a shit. Like, what's up, Bob? Maybe he'll get annoying. You want to talk to you about fucking Watergate or something?

Like, I gotta go, bro.

I gotta go. But it wasn't, it wasn't anti devices. He wasn't the. The main problem in the world.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, he wasn't a Nazi.

Yeah, yeah.

He just wanted to hold on to his money.

Exactly. He just thought you were a little bit of a pussy.

Yeah.

And he. You just thought he was maybe a little racist.

Yeah.

But you still barbecued. Yeah, it wasn't that crazy.

Said, hi, you waved to each other when you were in the driveway.

Yeah.

And now you think it's so divisive because of the Internet, the echo chambers are created, and it's this good versus evil mentality on both sides. So how dare you hang out with someone who's evil?

Yeah.

What does that make of you?

It's crazy. And then also, like, people dig their heels in and put fucking political signs on their front lawn. My mom used to do that when she lived in Florida. Like, Hillary Clinton signs on her front lawn. The people kept stealing them. I'm like, mom, take those down.

Wait, what do you mean? What do you mean? Like, what type of signs? I'm trying to be president. Hilarious. Your mom, the apple falls far from the.

Yeah. And then she. They keep taking my signs. I'm like, mom, don't put those signs.

It's really you.

You're living in Florida.

It's just you. You're just sending people to take a sign.

She was living in Florida. I'm like, what do you expect? It's a red state.

So was she a big liberal?

Oh, my mom's a huge liberal.

Really?

Yeah, they were hippies when I was a kid. We lived in San Francisco during the height of the anti war movement.

Oh, really?

Yeah, I grew up. When I was seven years old, we moved to San Francisco.

Do you remember this?

Yeah.

Very clearly.

Yeah.

And is this kind of, like, informed your politics?

Oh, yeah, yeah. We lived in a gay neighborhood. It was like all these hippies and gay guys would whistle at my stepdad.

No way.

Yeah, man. It was funny.

So you're like, I need to learn martial arts.

No, it wasn't dangerous. It wasn't dangerous. I mean, there was some crime. You know, I got, like, my basketball stolen once, but it wasn't bad. It was different time. It was like, there was a lot of peace. Peace and love was real back then. Like, the. The hippie movement was a real thing, and in, you know.

Oh, you felt it was pure.

Yeah, it was. They were nice people, man. I didn't know. I didn't even know what the n word meant until I moved to Florida. No, I'd never heard it. I never heard it. I never heard it in San Francisco. Nobody leaves me. I didn't hear it. Nobody said it.

Wow.

It was so integrated. It was like everybody was, like, asian and black and white, and it was just like. Like, it was. The hippie movement was real, man, and it permeated the city in a kind way. They were nice people. It was a different time. And it was also when I was living there was when the Vietnam war ended. And I remember very clearly thinking to myself as, like, I guess I was ten or something.

Yeah.

Like, oh, boy, you felt relief.

So happy, kid. Because now there won't be war anymore. They figured out that war is bad because while Vietnam was going on, everybody knew it was a crazy war. It didn't make any sense. There was all these protests, and then there was, like, Kent state where they shot the fucking protesters. You know, the National Guard came and shot the protesters. So there was this craziness, this turmoil in this country that didn't exist, you know, in. It was a way that it's.

Wait a minute, this is interesting. More than now you felt.

It's hard to say because I was a kid, you know, but it was. There was definitely a thing where they were drafting people to go and fight in this war, and that was part of it was a conscription that they were forcing you to go die in war. And we knew people that had gotten forced to go over there and knew people that had died over there. It was weird. It was a weird fear that they could force you to go to war. And so when that was over, there was this relief, like, okay, okay, good. We figured that out. And then, you know, fucking ten years later, I was hanging out with my roommate. We were watching Operation Desert Storm kickoff on tv. Like, this is crazy.

Here we go again.

Here we go, man. It was me and my buddy Jimmy Datilio. We're sitting in our house, and we're watching this. We're living together in Malden, Massachusetts, and we're watching this fucking tv while we're the. Bro, we're at war. Holy shit. We're watching the tracer missiles. You know, the tracer rounds, the way you could see the boa lit up as they're flying through the air and they're shooting them out of helicopters and shit.

Like.

And, you know, Operation Desert Storm, the first war, was, like, a lot. It was like the first war that was, like, televised.

Yeah.

Like, you get. You could watch shit get blown up.

Yeah.

You know, and I can't believe it. I was like, God damn, we're doing it again. And this is like, you know, was, I guess, the nineties, right? When was the Iraq war? What was the first Iraq war? Bush, when they pulled out.

Bush is. What is first? Bush 92.

So they pulled out. We only lost, like, a small number of troops. Gulf War 90 to 91.

Got it.

So it was quick and it was. There was. And Bill Hicks had the great bit about it.

What do you say?

He goes, it's only a war when two armies are fighting. And he goes, they say, bill. They say the. The Iraq war is the fifth largest army. He goes, yeah, but after the first two, there's a big drop off. He goes, the Salvation army is number three. It's a great bet, but it's true.

Find a way to justify it, you know?

And guys were just practicing. They were just doing stuff. Remember he had that bit like, pull up g twelve. What does g twelve do? Let's find out. And they're just like, going through the weapons catalog. Like, pull that one up. Shoot it. Oh, shit. What's g 13 do? And they're like, that was a hicks bit.

Yeah.

Fuck, bro. And that one confused the shit out of everybody because he thought war was easy. We thought, bro, we just go over there and fuck everybody up real quick. Why do we did.

But why do we think war was easy? Oh, because they did.

Afterwards, we thought war was so easy.

For us that we first got war.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Whereas Vietnam was the. This, like, difficult, long dredge didn't make any sense.

Yeah, yeah.

This one was more like, oh, there's a despot. We gotta get him out. Look how quick. We could do it. He invaded Kuwait. Look how quick we take care of business. This is how. And we're like, goddamn, America's pretty badass. So we got super cocky. It was like Mike Tyson before he fought buster Douglas. Mike Tyson.

Everybody's locked down.

I'm not paying $50 for that. It's gonna last 30 seconds. And then you don't pay for the buster Douglas fight.

You're like, what?

He lost? No way.

Yeah, yeah.

And so then the second Iraq war, and then you got real casualties and the invasion of Afghanistan, and it's going on forever and ever and ever, and it doesn't make any sense to realize, oh, God, this is a never ending war. This is almost like Vietnam. This is crazy.

Yeah.

This horrible, man. I mean, that's the most horrible thing that people do, and it's the one thing that we don't think people will ever stop doing, which is war. If you ask people, you think in ten years there'll be no war?

No.

No way.

No way.

There's never been a time. It's never been a time while we've been alive, with our tribal instincts that we haven't decided to control someone's resources or justify an invasion or come up with some reason why someone's wronged us.

And. Yeah.

Blow up pipelines and.

Yeah, we did blow it up.

Huh?

I don't think they did it. Why would they do it? Why would they cut off their supply of gas to Europe and miss out on all that money?

So CIA does it, or.

I don't know.

Yeah.

I don't. I mean, I would be just talking completely out of my ass. But Seymour Hirsch said the CIA did it.

Wow.

And he's a very, very well respected journalist. I mean, about top of the food chain. He's a legit journalist. Yeah, but what does he know, and what does he. I mean, if you weren't there, how much of it is disinformation? How much can get shuffled down? Even to you as a journalist, that's just straight bullshit. They're sophisticated, man. I mean, these people that are running, you know, you would call the deep state, the intelligence agencies, you know, there's people that want to disband all of them, like the Vivek Ramaswami guys. I think you need them, because I think the world operates in a very clandestine way. There's other countries have agencies that are doing the same thing the CIA does. If we don't have a better one, then that's not good.

Yeah.

If you don't have an army? We don't need army. We have flowers. Like you need a fucking army. Yeah, you want to keep peace, you need an army.

Yeah.

You want to keep an eye on all the terrorist organizations in the world that are planning on blowing up America. Yeah, you need a CIA. You fucking need them. You need all of them. You NSA, you need all of them.

Yeah, you need those people.

But in those people, you're going to get cowboys. You're going to get people that say, you know, I know how we can fund the contras versus the sandinistas. Sell drugs. Yeah, let's just move some crack through LA. We can make millions of dollars. No one knows. Yeah, so you get freeway Ricky Ross, bring him in. He's making untold amounts of money and he's doing it for the government.

Fucking government.

And that's why he's not getting arrested. And he doesn't even know. And he doesn't even figure it out until he goes to jail because he doesn't even know how to read until he goes to jail.

But that is interesting. A lot of these, these actors don't even know that they're involved. No, it's way less involved.

Exactly.

Then we believe it is.

There's so many layers to it. And it must be so fun to be the dude to be like that. I would never want to leave. I was ahead of the Pentagon. What a great job. Show up every day. You're fucking Mercedes Benz AMG. You hop out with your cufflinks like, let's fucking roll in the world. Let's go, baby. Let's go. You're on Adderall and you're fucking hopped up, having a good time, getting work done. You're a great asset to the company. You know, I love this company and this company loves you. And you're fucking all in, buddy. At the expense of your marriage, your family, your friends. You're lying to everybody around you because you can't tell them what you're doing. Nobody can know because they're fucking signal bitch. You think that thing secure?

No way.

No way made it.

I bet they did. Yeah.

Because you get to a certain point with success in this country where you have to be integrated into the government. Google's integrated, Facebook is integrated.

They have to be. How do you think the fucking FBI was in Twitter? Hey, we're getting pressure from our constituents, getting pressure from this organization that gives us immense amounts of money. And we like you to put the fucking kibbush on that, on this stuff. That's be a problem. Was a laptop story or whether it's the COVID misinformation, whatever it is.

So how do you maintain your sovereignty?

That's a good question.

How do you do it? You, me personally? I pee when I come back.

Let's talk about that. Yeah, let's do it.

We're back.

Okay. How do you. How do you maintain your sovereignty? Well, you. You are the most influential person on the planet. Government agencies would love to have. Have a hold of you, I imagine. How do you make sure that you create distance between you and them so you can put out the content you want to do?

I haven't even thought about it.

But you know that they must try.

Yeah, but I mean, like, first of all, I'm not a valid source of information, but I can get you valid sources of information. Meaning that I'm not an expert in anything other than, like, martial arts. And I can. I can give you some information about some things. Comedy I can talk to you about.

I think you're being humble, but.

No, but I'm being honest. I'm not a legitimate expert at anything, but I can bring experts on and I can have honest conversations with them. And as a human being that is, in this world, it is imperative that we have access to all sorts of information. Even information that might not be correct. You got to know why the person thinks the way they think, even if I disagree with them. Why do you think that? How does it work in your head? Have you considered this? I'll steal man their position. I try to find out. And if you're silencing people that are from Stanford and Harvard, like they did during COVID actual experts, you're doing a disservice to human beings, including you and your family. Cause if you're lying or allowing people to lie about medication, or about the adverse effects of medication, that is not just you. That's everyone that you know that's also gonna take that medication. Upon your admission or your recommendation, you're doing a disservice to everyone. Yeah, to the whole. The person who's telling the truth is doing a service to everyone. Yeah, the whole.

So how do we parcel out the truth?

You gotta listen to everybody and then.

You make that decision.

It's got.

It takes time. Look how long it took for. From COVID to figure out what was going on.

Yeah.

Remember the early videos? You will not get it. The virus stops with you. If you take this vaccine now, it's like, you will not die. You probably won't die. Yeah, you won't get hospitalized. Well, how do you know it's gonna get hospitalized in the first place? Most people didn't get hospitalized.

Yeah.

Do you know what the percentage of people, even in the early days, got hospitalized from COVID 5%.

Wow. Which is a lot. For 300 million people. That is a lot.

It's a lot.

But still, to not even retract publicly some of the statements made and to vilify the people that were putting out that other information is a very dangerous situation.

Well, the CDC had to take down all of their. Was it the FDA or the CDC? The FDA. The FDA had to take down all of their tweets about COVID in reference to ivermectin.

Wow.

Like, you're not a horse, y'all. Stop it.

Yeah.

Remember that?

Yeah.

Was that the CDC find who made that? You're not a horse, y'all.

That was one of them.

And this is about a medication that had been prescribed billions of times to human beings?

Yeah.

The FDA. You're not a horse. You're not a cow. Seriously, y'all.

You're not a horse.

You're not a cow. Seriously, y'all, stop it. Why you should not. You go back. Why you should not use ivermectin to treat or prevent COVID-19 from FDA just like, that is just propaganda. Just full on propaganda. That's like saying penicillin is veterinary medicine because they do use it in veterinary applications, but it's for humans, too, you fucking idiot. And has it been used for humans? Has it saved lives?

Yes.

Has ivermectin won the fucking Nobel Prize?

Yeah.

Yes.

Penicillin.

Yes.

Yeah. It's a human medication that has one of the safest profiles of any medication known. And now they had to take down. Pull the article that they had to take all that down. So they had to delete 140 social media posts that were disparaging ivermectin.

I didn't even know this.

They just lost in court.

Yeah.

Pierre Corey has been, like, ringing the bells for this. FDA agrees to delete. You're not a horse. Ivermectin tweet. The FBI did not admit to wrongdoing under the terms of the settlement.

Oh, that's great.

They don't have to admit they were wrong because they were wrong.

Yeah. They don't have to admit it.

We know you're wrong. Great. You don't have to admit it. The agencies had a settlement detailed in the Thursday court filing in the US district court for the southern district of Texas does not mean it changes position that no data shows ivermectin to be an effective COVID treatment. The agency has choosing to resolve this lawsuit rather than continuing to litigate over statements that are between two and nearly four years old. Oh, we said those four years ago, guys. The FDA said an emailed statement, the agency has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19. But doctors have always been allowed to use off label medications, especially when shown to be effective. And there's a ton of randomized controlled trials that shows ivermectin to be effective for the treatment of COVID-19, including an entire Uttar Pradesh in India. That's how they used it. They had incredible results. Look, people have used it. They used it. But when I used it and I talked, I had no fucking idea what can of worms I was opening up.

They made you look like this. They changed my color.

They changed the color of my face. CNN was all in but to their own detriment.

And now people lost faith in CNN.

The COVID thing to them was one of the worst experiences in terms of public trust.

Yeah, well, I think public trust is an all time low in general. And that's their bet that they made. So that's the question is like, how do you start believing again? Because there is an importance in believing and trusting, in trusting the systems.

Yes.

That we have. Like, it is important that we trust the medical field. Right. I mean, maybe not blindly and maybe we should have more information, but it is important when we go into the, like, I was just telling you, like, with my daughter, I was like, okay, you know, it's time to get vaccines. And I freaked out. I genuinely, like, freaked out. Yeah, I told you I was scared and I didn't do enough research. And I'm in that room and I'm like, I think I need the weekend.

And yeah, all of my friends that even are doctors who had no questions about the vaccines before, at all, before COVID they recommended all of them. Now a lot of them are changing their tune.

They have more skepticism based on the information that came out about the COVID vaccine or vaccines in general.

First of all, just the propaganda campaign behind the COVID vaccine.

So once they saw this total denial.

Of any adverse effects, even though they personally knew people had strokes, heart attacks, died. Okay, that died suddenly thing. The fact that athletes were dropping like flies.

Yeah, yeah.

The athletes thing was not scary because.

These are the people that are in.

The best shape of the players having a heart attack, just dropping dead, all of them vaccinated.

Yeah.

When you're seeing these people just drop dead.

Yeah.

Reporters on tv, just fainting, passing out. People I know personally. They got the shot that blacked out. Yeah, quite a few. One of them, two guys I know that have fucking pacemakers now, one of them's in his thirties, one of them is in his forties as a fucking pacemaker.

And you should, at least you should have that information before you make that decision.

Well, you should know that that information exists. And instead they're trying to hide it and they trying to gaslight you about it. And then there's the thing about all cause mortality. The increase in all cause mortality is there's a jump in all cause mortality after the administration of the vaccines. All cause mortality is people that die from everything die from heart attacks, stroke, cancer, cancer. All cause mortality went up in some groups as much as 40%.

These are the control groups that have taken the vaccine.

Right.

This is just people.

Well, people just in general, yeah. More people are dying. The percentage of all cause mortality is in certain groups, up significantly. I think in England they did a study that said it was up 20% across the board. In some groups like 18 to 49. In some. Some groups it was up like as high as 40%. And that means that 40% more people are dying from cancer, heart attack, strokes, everything than were before. Everything. Everything. Including people that probably would have died anyway, but 40% more in some groups.

And there are other variables that exist as well. And this is a weird time.

Lack of medical attention during COVID people didn't see their doctors. Maybe there was things that alcoholism, people drank more. There's a lot of factors, but we need to look at all factors. Might be this experimental medication jabbed into ourselves and the resistance against that being possible is crazy. And it's because people, first of all, they advocated for it. They told you to get it. They probably chastised people and scolded people that didn't get it.

Yeah.

So now that. Now they have this opinion that they have started with and they stuck with.

And they want to be correct, they.

Don'T want to back. They don't want to back off. It takes a very courageous person to.

Say, I'm fucking wrong.

I was. Not only was I wrong, but I probably fuck people over and a lot of people might have been adversely affected.

That's your career, your life, your identity.

Yes. Especially if you're an intellectual that builds.

Your entire identity around being right.

Yes.

And there's massive pressure from all these institutions that have always been unquestionable in the past, like the FDA or the CDC.

It's like a botched surgery. If you go for plastic surgery and somebody fucks it up, you're not going back to that doctor. So they're terrified, so they have to go, no, we were right. 100% right. Trust me. I continue doing this. Okay, so the skepticism starts there, and then it starts to bleed into all vaccinations.

Exactly. And that friends of mine that are physicians. And then you read what Robert Kennedy says. Yeah, Robert Kennedy is the guy that gets put in the kook category. Yeah, and I had to admit that to him when I had him on the podcast. I had an opinion of you that was based on propaganda. I thought you were this wacky conspiracy theorist guy. You're nuts. You're the guy that's telling you, like, fucking, you know, take silver iodine. You're gonna never get sick again.

You know?

You know what I mean? Like, you put him in this category of, like, holistic medicine guys or whatever. That's what's not even a bad thing. But you put him in this naturopath category, kooky category, conspiracy theorist, tinfoil hat. And then I read his book. I read the real Anthony Fauci. And you read that book, and you're like, okay, if this is not true, why isn't he getting sued? And it seems like this is the exact same playlist that they ran during the AIDS crisis. And that's the Dallas Buyers club. The Dallas Buyers Club is all about that. It's all about Anthony Fauci. It's all about restricting medication to people that have HIV and forcing them to take AZT, which was killing everybody. AZT kills people. It was a chemotherapy medication. They stopped using because it kills people quicker than cancer. People that were asymptomatic from HIV were put on AZT, and they were dead within six months. It's a chemotherapy medication. You're supposed to stay on. No chemotherapy medication, and you stay on indefinitely. You take them for a course because it's damaging. Cause it's killing the cancer, but it's also killing you. And then it kills the cancer, and you recover, and then the cancer is gone.

And that's how chemotherapy works.

They just kept them on the whole.

Time, but they weren't using it for cancer anymore.

Oi.

Read the book. Not only that, they experimented with vaccines for HIV on foster kids in New York, and a bunch of them died. It's all in the book. And if it's not true, why didn't.

They sue his ass?

Why isn't he getting sued? Why aren't there articles written pointing out all the things that are absolutely wrong with what he's saying about the HIV crisis?

So your position is fair skepticism about the vaccines and let's get some more studies and information out there and then we can make our own decisions based on that.

Right? What is the, what's the cause of the uptick in chronic illness, autism, all these different things? What is it? Are there environmental factors? Is it contamination? Is it food? Is it pollution? What is it? What is it? What is it? And could it be that too? Could it be these vaccines? Is it possible that these people that tell these stories about having perfectly healthy children and then them getting vaccinated and then also in the kid like going non responsive? Yeah, that seems like it's possible, right? That there's a correlation there. If there's a cause and then there's an effect, if there is an action and then there's an effect.

Let's see if there's a thing that.

You do and all these parents, you could say a bunch of them, it was just a coincidental that the kids started showing it after the medication was administered. And maybe that's true. Maybe that's true. And how do we know if that's not even considered?

There's a timing subject, isn't there like a timing thing? Like kids don't show those symptoms until one and that is when you vaccinate them or something. So there are some, there's correlation.

Correlational issues here doesn't mean causation.

Of course not. But let's study it, let's fucking look at it. Every even consider looking like a wacky.

Injecting kids with chemicals including mercury and aluminum that you're doing this, that this might have a negative effect on some kids and that maybe the corresponding uptick in these chronic illnesses and allergies and diseases and autism. Maybe, maybe.

What was the allergy connection again?

Aluminum.

That's right. Because every one of the vaccines has a little aluminum in it.

Well, the way it is, you have an inert form of the virus, right? And then you have this irritant, you have this thing that fucks with your body and your body goes, what is this? I got aluminum's there. Oh, there's a vaccine or there's a virus in here. Antibodies create the antibodies.

Yeah.

And it works. Yeah, yeah, it does work. But does it also have negative effects and is it a volume thing? Is the amount of vaccines you give a kid all together?

Yes.

You know, they're trying to give your kid, like hpv vaccine, right?

From birth?

Yeah.

Like, when do they start giving them hepatitis B? 12 hours, that's when.

Birth.

Yeah, 12 hours in. They came into the room and they're like, hepatitis B, yo. And I literally. And I was like, what is it? Cause I didn't know what it was. And they were like, it's a disease that could kill your kid. And I was like, well, we should probably give it to her. And then I'm like, how do you even get it? And they're like, it's a sexually transmitted disease. And I was like, hold on. Yeah, like this. I think that we could pump the brakes a little bit. 12 hours old.

Yeah, we got time. Jesus Christ.

Yeah, yeah.

Okay, so I understand. So now there's a skepticism, people say.

But then right now, just having this conversation, even talking about it the way we've talked about it so carefully.

Yeah.

You'll be labeled an anti vaxxer. So Andrew Schultz and Joe Rogan float around anti vax conspiracy theories.

Well, we're not, we're not conspiracing right now, right?

Nope.

We're just literally saying maybe it's okay to do the research without shame.

Well, how is it not possible to talk about it without being labeled a kook? If this is a thing, if you're injecting kids with, with chemicals.

Yeah.

And we know that medications have adverse effects, even simple medications. Some people have horrible effects from all kinds of stuff.

Yeah.

There's people that can't take, like Aaron Rodgers couldn't take the mRNA vaccines because there's an ingredient in them that he's deathly allergic to.

Allergic to? Yeah.

So there's a, so an interesting thing is I asked the doctor and she was actually great. The doctor was really great. Like her mom was kind of anti vaxx. And she's like, so I understand it. There's no pressure. I was telling you this.

Yeah.

And then she said this was interesting. I was like, what about if we schedule them out? Delayed them, I think is what they say. And so you have less viral load at one time. She said something interesting. She goes, listen, every vaccine has a little bit of preservative in it, right? You need to have a little bit in order to keep that inert disease alive or whatever. She goes. So the question you have to ask now is, okay, maybe the preservative isn't good to put in your kid, and now you're putting more of it in because you're doing more vaccines over a longer period of time. So this is a variable I didn't even fucking think of. I'm trying to lower the viral load that my eight week old baby has inside her, but now I'm increasing the preservative load that the baby has, and I don't know the effects of that. And that's why I had to walk out.

And the thing is, the medical institutions have been captured by pharmaceutical drug companies. They're captured.

I want to go on that.

Agencies. I mean, it's not as simple as a doctor is basing it all on his education and his understanding of this particular situation and the objective science of all of it. No, there's a narrative. There's a narrative that gets distributed, and that was the narrative during COVID You must get vaccinated.

Yes.

They were telling people to get vaccinated right after they got over COVID. It doesn't even make sense. It's completely unscientific.

And they make it. They make it restrictive. Like, for example, my wife, in order for her to go to school, had to get the booster. Like, she was getting her MBA, and she had to. Yeah, so. And the same thing with kids. Like, if you want to put your kid in, like, a school, they have to have them all.

Yeah.

You want to put it in a daycare if you want to travel, if.

You want to fly certain jobs.

So you see, you start to feel the pressure, and the outside pressure makes you go, okay, I'm being forced into this decision. I don't really have my freedom. You say I have my freedom, but I want my kid to get educated, right? I want my kid to be able to go see their grandparents. I want my kid to do these things. And, yeah, you do feel this. You feel a social pressure. You don't want to be labeled a fucking anti vax weirdo. But at the same time, it was hard as hell for my wife and I to get pregnant. So I'm really protective over this innocent little baby, and I don't want to be responsible for giving them something that could fuck them up.

I don't know how I look myself, clearly. Do you remember when Jenny McCarthy was saying that vaccine caused her son to be autistic and she was just attacked, merciless?

I don't remember.

But essentially, it was like, kind of the end of her ever being taken seriously. It was kind of the end of her career. Jenny McCarthy was huge.

MTV days.

I remember MTV days.

She had her own sitcom. Like, there's Jenny McCarthy was doing a lot of different things. And you don't hear about her at all.

Robert De Niro even tried to show tv show recently.

She's been on a show. What is it, a mask singer or whatever. Oh, okay, so she's back. Yeah, for a long time, she was like, Persona non grata. What is the masked singer?

It's a.

It's a game show.

I'm so ignorant. I don't even know that show still on the air.

Anyway, it's one of these things where.

You'Re like, she's one of the judges. Yeah, okay. It's so she's okay. But she. If, you know, if the conversation comes up with vaccines, like, people roll their eyes like, oh, Jenny McCarthy. So what, she's anti science, but what's.

The way to, like, talk about and have the conversation?

We're not anti vaccine movement. We're pro satellite vaccine.

Beautiful woman, huh?

Oh, yeah, 2015.

Well, damn, bro, she could still be beautiful. It was the reference to when the. No, it's one of those things where, like, you're fucking. You're scared because you want to protect this thing that you really care about and love both ways. You don't want them to get a disease, of course, and get sick that you could have avoided while at the same time, you don't want to put something in them that could have a negative effect. So you're just in this stalemate.

I know.

And.

And you don't know who to trust.

And that's what information right now is. I don't think we know what to believe about anything. It's like, right. Even the fucking. The trans visibility day thing. Like, every headline was Biden declares Easter Trans visibility day.

Right?

And I read it, and I was like, there is no way. Like, yeah, maybe there's a bunch of lefties there, liberal leaning, but there's no way that he would declare Easter this way. And I looked into it. Trans visibility day started like, 15 years ago. Three years ago they declared it. And then Easter obviously changes every year. The date, it doesn't change the day, and then it ends up on the Sunday. But the headline is Biden declares Easter trans visibility day.

Right?

Once I read that, and I know it's fake now, every headline is fake to me. And I think now I'm in this, like, we're up and maybe we're all leveling, right? They're all using it because there's money to be made out of it. Clicks that click is valuable, and they will knowingly. Like, we were talking about that woman earlier with the. With the Huberman thing. There is money to be made out of that.

Yes.

And as long as there's money to be made from it, they will go for it and they'll remove information that is incredibly important to the truth of the story.

Yeah.

I don't know how you saw that.

Well, that.

That thing, the Bible thing is kind of crazy because, you know, on this day of our Lord, like, they make this declaration and. And they know that it's going to happen on Easter Sunday.

They know this year or maybe last year, but when they started, they're not like, it's just, how are we going to take away Easter for?

Right. It's like Thanksgiving. It always happens on a Thursday.

Exactly.

Yeah.

So it's like Easter Sunday is always a Sunday. And it could vary from April to march.

Exactly.

Yeah.

Like, it could be March 31 or could be April 23. Like, it's really wide the range that Easter Sunday falls.

And they saw it coming this year, and they're probably like, fuck, if we move it, we hate the trans. If we don't move it, I don't hate the christians.

I think they. They saw it as an opportunity to, like, in an election cycle.

Yeah, yeah.

The loons. The loons on the left that they're. They're all in with that.

Joe doesn't know what a trans is.

Well, he knows one of them got fired for stealing bags. He's out.

He's 80 years old. If you went to him and you're like, that's actually a man, he would go, there's no fucking way. He show it to me, bro.

That administration is all in on that stuff in such a hardcore way that he got interviewed by Dylan Mulvaney.

Yeah.

And he thought that was a woman.

And I've been a girl for 350 days. He's like, oh, God bless you.

God bless you.

That's what he said. Did you ever see that interview?

Oh, it's wild.

It's wild.

I think none of us really believe he's making the decisions.

Right.

He's just like a puppet for the. And he's just there to get lambasted when all these things happen and then he forgets about it immediately afterwards.

Yeah.

He doesn't know. He's perfect guy to blame for things.

Exactly. And that's why he's there. That's why you get the 80 year old dude.

But the idea that they're going to keep running him is just bananas. I mean, you're going to keep them in there. I can't believe that's real. But as time goes on, I'm starting to think they might actually keep running them.

Yeah, they're, I don't know. I don't know why that they would switch them out. They're not in a position. They can switch them out for anybody who.

He would have to.

Kamala.

No, not Kamala, but he would have.

To kick the bucket and then they just slide news from somebody.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's what I think.

You think that's what they're hoping for. Really? May.

I think he's got until May. No way. I feel like right around May, they're gonna pull him.

No way.

Yeah.

And Newsom comes in.

I think he just has health problems. And then the country understands, and Newsom is gonna have his support fully, and Kamala is gonna like, I don't want to be president. I'm cool with being vice president.

So Newsom runs with Kamala.

Yeah, yeah, I think so. I don't think they can pull Kamala. I think as long as they keep her quiet. She's not, she's already whatever. A liability. Sure is. She's, she's so quiet.

It's a me, you know, also been quiet. AOC, they get them to fall in line, huh?

Yeah.

They were loud dancing, doing TikToks, and then they go, hey, why don't you shut the fuck up over there? Hits, and then they shut up.

Also. Don't you want to be president someday, Alexandra?

The Kurt carrot. They hang the fucking carrot.

Probably couldn't. She could probably pull it off. So it's, there's a lot of factors, you know? And you're basically auditioning to be the spokesperson for the machine.

Yes. Yeah.

And it worked for Biden. He's the perfect example.

Yeah.

Like, think about it. If you're part of the machine, you look at Biden's career and you're like, oh, it does work out. If I just play by the rules of the machine, they'll put me in position one day and I'll have the power.

You don't even have to be good.

You don't. You have to be there, especially if.

You have a bad guy. Well, that's one of the reasons why Hillary wanted Trey Trump to run, because I'll beat that.

I can be, I can't beat somebody that's competent.

Yeah.

And actually looks like a leader.

Yeah.

So this fucking maniac from the Apprentice.

And what does she find out?

I want to run him.

Yeah. Yeah.

Whoops.

Yeah.

Whoopsies.

Yeah.

And now he's more popular than ever.

I think it's easy for him, actually. This time around.

I don't know if it's real.

What do you mean?

Let's find out. Let's find out if they can rig it. Let's find out.

They'll do everything they can.

2020 elections weren't rigged. Let's say they weren't.

Yeah. Yeah.

You don't think there's something that can be done to move things one way or the other? There's certainly the manipulation of media. Of course, now you want to talk about election interference. So forget about mail in ballots, forget about all that stuff. Access to information will affect elections. For example, when the government steps in and tells Twitter to censor the Hunter Biden laptop story, that laptop story, let's say they went all in, they distributed to all the media, and then Fox News starts telling you all the evidence. It shows that Biden was getting kickbacks and he's the big guy and 10% and all this money that went from billions of millions of dollars in Burisma and all these. Where's that money gone? Where were the contracts? What's happening? How does he have this job teaching for a million dollars a year where he doesn't even show up? What is all of this like? What is this?

That's the game.

And if that got into fence sitters, people are like, I don't know, Trump's kind of gross, but Biden's old, but I'm still gonna vote for Biden. Cause Trump's a bad guy. And then, oh, my God, Biden's a bad guy. Trump might be the answer. You know, we were fine while he was in office. Let's run with him. Yeah. I mean, it's basically election interference because you're withholding information that would be detrimental to the person that you want to win.

You're interfering. Absolutely. Election interference.

So anybody said this, there's no election interference. That is election interference. And then you have Google search results, which Robert Epstein and his research has shown that.

What a search results.

I know, right? Google search results have shown that you can manipulate, and with his research, you can manipulate the search results through the algorithm, and that will, like, highlight negative stories about the people that you want to be negative or positive stories about the people you want to be positive. And it can have an overall effect on how people vote. Cause most people are surface information gatherers. They read headlines.

Aha.

Got it. And then they go with it. And the headline might be horseshit and you might get into the article. I mean, we've done that so many times. But wait a minute. This specifically says that, that's not true. So what are they saying in the article? Complaints of? Oh, it's a complaint of. But then you get into it, you go, oh, but it's not real trans visibility, though. There's so many things like that that can just affect public opinion. And there's so many people that will just say things publicly and they think that this is a fact. They don't know what. Like how many people you seen got caught in that women only make seventy cents to a man's dollar.

Yeah.

How many people you ever seen get caught in that thing? How come women, women should be paid the same that men are paid? No, argue in the streets. But they don't even understand what the argument is. The argument is men pick different jobs. They work longer hours, they don't take maternity leave overall, they make more money. This is why they take jobs that are more dangerous. They take jobs that are higher risk.

It also includes the most wealthy people, which are men.

Yeah.

So that's going to skew it in a dramatic fashion.

Dramatic.

Yeah, yeah.

The top billionaires, they're all men except for chicks that got divorced.

Yeah.

That is the best way to get rich. If you want to be a female billionaire, chop it in half.

But the thing is, like, female billionaires don't like that label that they got it, so they become philanthropist.

Oh, that's why Bezos wife, she's a philanthropist.

Billionaire philanthropist. Mackenzie Bezos, where'd she get that money? Yeah, just being awesome. Billionaire just being amazing.

Yeah, yeah.

No, she was married to a psycho. Psycho made all the money and now she's distributing it to left wing causes. And all the right wing guys are complaining.

Yeah.

And Elon's mad. Well, I see, I was saying something about her distributing that these rich divorcees distributing to the. The downfall of democracy.

Yeah.

So he's been going in.

It's.

He goes in, man.

It's really interesting to see how political he's gotten. And immediately upon being. Because he was the darling of the left and the right.

Oh, yeah, big, big time. The left.

But, but the left, obviously, for the cars. Right, but the right, because he's a successful businessman, right?

Yeah.

And the second he takes a position politically, he is chastised, shamed, ridiculed. And even before that, think about it. It, everybody was invested in Tesla because the stock was going crazy. So not only are you the darling, you making me money.

Right?

I want you to be great.

Yeah.

Once you're making people money, they don't want to write bad shit about you. Especially they got a million dollars invested in Tesla.

Yeah.

I'm not going to ridicule this guy and watch half of my money go away.

Yeah.

And the second he opened his mouth.

About politics, and the thing is, he snaps back at people, he goes, which is crazy. He goes, bro.

Yeah.

He dunks on people.

Yeah. Yeah.

Which is hilarious.

But I'm also just like, you know, don't you got some science to do? You know, like, how do you do with this?

Yeah, I don't understand how he does any of it.

AI, dude, he created another elon.

Maybe he is. Maybe he's a.

But what he's done with Twitter or X is really interesting.

I call it Twitter.

Yeah.

It's hard for me to change because.

It is an x that you made. Or is it a tweet? Did you tweet something?

It's a tweet.

I tweeted it.

Yeah, it's Twitter.

It's kind of funny, though, because it is x. Yeah, but it's. But it's Twitter.

But, like, the idea that he is going to uphold this soapbox for free speech, despite having some awful things said, the greater outcome will be, hopefully, a civil society where ideas can permeate freely.

He may have very well saved humanity in some way, because by providing this one platform where people can actually speak their mind. Yeah, up to a point, yeah. You know, I mean, there's still some rules, sure. But up to a point, you could see, you get away with a lot of shit. I see so much racist shit on Twitter now that I never saw before. Like, open, openly racist.

Really?

Openly racist.

Wow. Yeah.

And then you see people chiming in that agree with it, and it's like, wow.

And then people chime in the disagree.

Yep. Yeah.

Those voices are all heard and there's a place for all of them.

Yeah.

And it's. You just have to know that people do think certain ways. You know, even if you don't like it, you have to know that people do think certain ways. And the answer to bad speech is not silencing speech. It's better speech, better speech. It's more compelling.

But you need to have a place where it can exist in order for there to be speech to even be consumed.

Right. And there was no place before he took over Twitter.

And that's the thing that the pendulum shift that we were talking about, where it's like, you have these pieces that came out that we thought were news. Now we see them as hit pieces. I think kids that are growing up with all this information and disinformation and misinformation, all this shit. I think that for us, it's a little bit more difficult, but for them, they will have the ability to discern and understand that they have to do a little bit more research. Yeah, I think it's. We get caught, victim of it, like old women, when they get a phone call from some nigerian prince and they need 10,000. That's us with news now. And we're like, wait a minute. Fake things can exist. But I think the kids are going to grow up going, oh, yeah, everything's fake. You just got to do some more research and figure it out.

I hope.

That's my hope.

Well, enough kids listen to podcasts, which is what really bothers people, that they're getting their information from people like us.

Well, they have to.

People like us don't have to lie. Yeah, we have zero incentive to lie. And when we're talking about these things, like, this is what I know. These are the facts. This is real. You're being fucked. You're being lied to. And it's not like there's not a motivation. Look at the amount of money they're making by fucking you. I mean, it's insane. Some of money that's involved in a lot of these decisions, and these decisions roll on whether or not we complain or not. But at least it kind of puts things in check.

Maybe that's the solution. Just show how much money people are making.

Yeah.

Show how much money CNN makes from the pharmaceutical industry. And then you will look at every story about pharmaceuticals through that list by Pfizer. That's it.

Anderson Cooper. They do it, like, right in your face. Brought to you by Pfizer.

The vaccines are perfect. Let's go to a commercial.

Yeah.

Brought to you by Pfizer. You will not get this virus. You will not transmit this virus. The virus stops with you and no one complains.

Now, do you think that the people that are disseminating the information are aware of the bullshit or they are the useful idiots? Meaning, like, I think at a certain.

Point in time, they must be aware.

And if they're aware, they're evil.

They're trapped. They're trapped because you. I think initially, most people did think that the vaccines were going to work.

And it doesn't have to be vaccines. It can be anything. But once you're pushing out information that you know to be false and you're potentially hurting people, it doesn't have to be vaccines.

It could be anything right now. You're evil.

That's evil.

That's evil.

I don't fault someone who's maybe ignorant or a useful idiot or really passionate about a thing, but the person that knows and still puts it out.

But you have plausible deniability because you're using the opinion of the air quotes experts that are sanctioned and so they will tell you things and you will say things and you will read articles that support that and you will go, oh, this is a fact.

Not if you're motivated by the agenda of your sponsors. Like if you know that you have to have a certain opinion on the platform and that opinion is based on the people who are paying to sponsor the show.

Right. You, you are aware, but that's also supported by these experts.

But like, you know.

So you're not right. Since you're not an expert and you're talking head on CNN.

Yeah.

Your job is to say, but do you understand that the CDC has disagreed, the FDA has said this is not approved. The NIH has shown to various studies this is not correct.

Yeah.

And you can say that and you'd be accurate. Yeah, you would be accurate as the news person on cuz a lot you.

Have your justification so you can go home and sleep at night.

And may a lot of them don't even do any digging. They're there reading their job, they read the teleprompter, they're fucking and gambling on sports betting or something. Who knows what the fuck they're doing with their spare time. But we're just assuming these people are truth tellers. They're not. We're assuming they're even journalists. They're not. Some of them are, but most of them are just talking heads, ready people that are good at reading.

That's the transition that we're going through right now is just because someone is giving us information on a news platform with a ticker does not mean that they know anything that they're talking about. It doesn't mean that it's necessarily true.

Not only that, we are sure they are highly motivated by my. Yeah, highly motivated. Sponsored by money, put in position by money. The commercials, it's all money, money, money making that money. Yeah, yeah. And no one's listening. That's what's crazy.

But isn't that a beautiful thing?

It is a beautiful thing.

That means the people know and the people will seek out the information that they deem truthful. Yes, there's gonna be some wackos and seeing about the, seek out the most extreme versions. Yes, that's us sometimes because it's really fun. I want to indulge in all the conspiracies. It's awesome.

It's fun.

But at the end of the day, when I have to make a real decision, I'm gonna seek out the information, right? I'm gonna read as many things as possible. If it's my life on the line or my kids life on the line or my friend's life on the line, I'm gonna actually go out there and figure it out, hopefully.

And the thing is, if it's not for a few brave people that stand up and tell you the truth, how do you if it okay. If there's no Peter McCullough, if there's no Robert Malone, if there's no RFK.

Junior, if there's no Pierre Corey, if.

There'S none of these people that stand up and lose, like, a sizable portion of their income, their careers get destroyed, their reputations get dragged through the mud, hit pieces get written about them. If it wasn't for these people that stand up and do that, and I never would have imagined in my wildest dreams that I would get sucked into that.

What do you mean?

I never thought that I would get sucked into something like that where people would be lying about me. But when you watch it on CNN, dysfunctional power, dude. Lying, but it's wild.

Yeah.

And the dumbest lie.

Yeah.

Like, bitch, do you think I'm taking horse medicine? You don't think I know, like, really good doctors that are telling me what to take?

Yeah.

And how about the fact that I got better quick? That doesn't freak you out at all? Yeah, I got better real quick.

Oh, you were so happy. I bet when that shit kicked, what was it, 48 hours?

That it was like, three days later, after I was sick, I made that video, and I was fine.

Yeah.

Three days after that, I did ten rounds on the bat. Six days in, I did ten rounds in the bag. I'm like, let's see how I feel. I worked out five days in. I felt pretty good. I said, all right, tomorrow, let's get after it. And I did ten fucking rounds on the bag, full clip, no problems. No problems. No lack of energy. I felt 100%. Six days later. Yeah, 100%. But I'm on top of my fucking health all day long, all year round. I'm always in shape. I always take vitamins. I'm always eating well. I sleep good. I do a lot of things. Like, you can't say that everyone has to adhere to the rules of this thing. When you're lying about the results, you're lying about the studies. You're influencing all these talking heads to say these things that turn out to not even be remotely true. Not only that, there's no studies behind it. They had to admit when they were speaking in front of whatever it was in the UK, that they never even tested these drugs for transmission. They just tested them to see if they created the antibodies. Then all that other stuff they said was bullshit.

Yeah, that's the tricky thing about, like, making rules for 300 million people, is that 300 million people are not the same. The way that you take care of your body is completely different than some asshole that's a consultant. He's sitting at his fucking desk all day, weighs 300 pounds, and that rules. It's like an SAT. Like, we have to find a way to judge intellect so that kids can go to school or not. There's some kid who flunked the SATs, who's a fucking genius, and he's gonna go out there and make money.

He's just bored with these things. He doesn't pay any attention. It's what you focus on. You could be a very smart person who doesn't study and you take classes and you fucking bomb in your classes. You suck because you don't know what you're talking about. But if you ask that dude how to fucking fix a turbocharger, that dude knows how to re engineer things. This is the problem. It's in the valves. We have to fix the valves. There's people that are genius at things that they're interested in. You keep them in a classroom, they're bored as shit and feed them fucking dull ass teachers that spoon feed them shit that they're never going to use. They're not going to. They're not going to thrive.

Yeah. Yeah.

How do you create systems so that these people can thrive?

Well, you got to have freedom. That's a big one. You know, freedom is one of the massive factors in this country's ability to churn out innovators. There's so much freedom to do things, freedom to try things.

I love that. It's part of the identity that we feel entitled to it. If you restrict it, I'm furious. And other people are furious. But that's not every country where they feel entitled to their freedom, right?

Well, that's a big thing about Texas. Texas, it's built into the fiber of the human beings that established this place.

But that's why you need Texas. You need Florida. I don't care if you don't like it. You need somebody pulling us in that direction because it's going to take LA or it's going to take New York. It's going to pull them a little bit that way. When we see people partying, having fun during fucking corona in Texas and in Florida, we're like, well, maybe we can go out to eat what's going on, right? But if everybody's locked in and there.

Was nobody else going to die, you remember? I remember when Governor Abbott opened up things and they were like, what are you doing? You're going to kill everyone. Nope, nope, it didn't.

Did you talk to him?

Yeah.

And did you ask him if he was ever scared of that decision? Because if that decision backfires, that's his.

He did it based on science. He did it based on what we know about the disease, you know, protect the same thing that Florida said, protect the vulnerable, you know?

Yeah.

If you are an old person with a severely compromised immune system, you should get vaccinated, you should be protected. You should probably isolate.

It's just a brave decision. There's a lot weighing on that.

Yeah, well, there's a lot of people here that wanted that decision, though, too, especially because he's a Republican. You know, most of the Republicans wanted the businesses back open. Most of the people like, hey, what do you like? You're taking away people's ability to make decisions and you're giving the government an unprecedented power that it never had before. The government, the mayor's, never had the ability to shut down all the restaurants. What? And when they did that in LA, they had no effect whatsoever on their check. Their paycheck remained the same no matter what.

Yeah.

You know, you want to make fucking cities great, have it so that the mayor's salary is based on how well the city does.

Ooh, now, what is our. Now steel man, the opposition argument?

Well, the government would co opt it and then these financial institutions would co opt it, and they would figure out a way to build businesses up unethically, despite the best way to make more money is to pay people less. So you would have lower income wages, lower minimum wages.

That's where it gets tricky. It's like, you know, you go through this in New York, especially when you have like an apartment or something like that, and you got to go through all this bureaucracy when you're renovating your apartment. That being said, what I do to my apartment affects the person downstairs, upstairs, to the left, to the right. So we have way more rules because we need them. Because what I do fucks everybody else's life.

Potentially drill holes in the wall and get a leaky fucking pipe.

People try to do it.

Oh, yeah.

If they know you got a drop ceiling, they're trying to drop pipes into your fucking ceiling. You don't even see it.

Really?

This is.

Yes, all the fucking time. So they're like, oh, can I get access to your place and probe a wall to see something? And they'll drop a fucking all their plumbing so they don't have to raise their floor. There's things that they'll take advantage of their neighbor. And because of that, you got to create all these extra rules, and it's a real fuck to go through. Now, when you have three acres of land in, you know, Texas, you can build a barn without people really looking at it that much because you're not affecting your neighbor. So I do get why in certain places you need a little bit more of a bureaucracy because people will take advantage of each other.

Yeah.

So that does make sense. You can't have all the same rules for all the same places. Yeah, it's not gonna work.

Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah.

But that's one of the cool things about this country is basically like a bunch of countries exactly like Europe.

That's the idea.

France is different than Germany, but they're all, when they were mushed up next to each other, but when they were.

Putting it together, they built it with that idea. They're like, hey, listen, if I'm up in Maine, it takes me on horseback four months to get to fucking Washington, DC. Why should your rules affect my rules?

Right.

Let me do my thing. You do your thing. We'll agree on ten fucking rules, and then let's have some fun.

States rights.

There we go.

Yeah.

And it makes sense.

It doesn't make sense. It makes sense that you gravitate towards the places that fit with your liking, which is why you're here.

Yeah.

Psychopaths moved to Portland.

For real. Like, one thing I imagine, like, being born there, but, like, willingly going, yeah, that's my people.

Yeah, that's a little bit.

15 face piercings and you're on your way.

Raining every day.

Yeah.

I want to be depressed.

Yeah, let's go. The Oregon trail. What idiots.

I'm looking forward to camping. Yeah.

Imagine going across the whole country and fucking, what are those?

Little covered wagons.

Covered wagons. And then getting to Portland. And you're like, for this?

Yeah, rains every day. It's beautiful, though. It's gorgeous green. Yeah, Portland's gorgeous. And parts of Oregon are fantastic.

Yeah.

You know where Cam lives? Cam lives out in like Springfield, that area.

Okay.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, beautiful.

Yeah, yeah, beautiful.

That's the thing about Oregon too. It's like you have Portland but everything else is red. Yeah, it's just like Portland just dominates the politics that's usually centers.

Yeah.

It's all ranchers and farmers and.

Yeah.

And then like the liberal cities that are in the very conservative states are a reaction to how conservative the state is. So they're like the most liberal or.

They'Re generally around education institutions.

Oh, so they're built around the universities from the university.

Eugene's very liberal guys around the universities there. Universities affect. Yeah, the, like Boulder, Boulder, Colorado, perfect. One University of Boulders right there. It's fucking every University of Colorado. Everybody's liberal, right? They're all hippies up there because it's all like the city itself sort of like revolves around the education institutions and.

The culture of education institution dictates the culture of the city.

Sure, sure.

Yeah.

That's why New York, I think is so unique is everybody thinks that we're like this super, like liberal city and it's like we, it's a money city.

City. Yeah.

Money wins in New York.

In the Manhattan.

Yeah.

It's a lot of, it's the financial business. But if you go to Long island, that's very red.

That's, I think even Manhattan is red. Like all these, these. We're open when it comes to like gay stuff, right. We love our gays. They create great cultural institutions within the city. You like going to Broadway, you like seeing musical theater, right? They offer a lot. You like the art? You're coming to New York for art. They offer so much. So we're like, yeah, those guys are dope.

Kick it.

That's awesome.

A lot of gay chefs, a lot of gay artists.

Gays kill in New York.

Yeah.

And they create a lot for us and we really appreciate it and it's, it's amazing. And, but when it comes to actual, like, the rules, New York is kind of conservative. Like, we've had conservative mayors. Like, Bloomberg wasn't some fucking like, bleeding heart liberal.

He's a money dude, right?

He just came in, he's like, yo, if we can't pay for it, I'll pay for you. Pay me back. And we're like, I like this guy. This is fucking Bruce Wayne, right?

You know?

So, yeah, I think the perception of New York is a little weird.

How come that guy didn't go any further in politics?

No charisma.

Is that what it is?

Yeah.

New Yorkers, we don't care about charisma with. With the mayors. Really. We don't even know who our politicians are. Like, I just found out we have a female governor. I had no fucking clue that who the governor is.

Ladies, out to lunch.

I have no clue. But New Yorkers, we don't care. It's the mayor of New York City is the governor of the state in our mind.

Right, right. That's the leader we just don't like.

Yeah.

You tell. You're saying what's going on here, and that's all that matters.

Right?

We're very.

Yeah, yeah.

That's the only thing we really think about is a city.

Yeah.

What is.

What is it like there now with the immigrants?

So here's the thing. New York is so diverse. You can't tell immigrants are there. Does that make sense?

Right?

Like, if there's other cities that are, like, really homogenous, they're all white, and then all of a sudden, a bunch of not white people come. You're like, oh, my God, we got immigrants everywhere. But for a New Yorker to be like, hey, I think we got some immigrants here, it's impossible.

Right?

Everybody's an immigrant. Everybody's brown, everybody's black, everybody's asian. Like, there's all these different ones.

Right?

The tricky thing with. You're talking about the migrant crisis is that they're taking advantage of a. New York is, like, the biggest state in the country. It's like, I think maybe the only big city that has a right to shelter.

Right?

It's the only one of this size that has a right to shelter.

It used to be for homeless people.

It's only for homeless people. They're taking advantage of a system that was built for homeless people, which is pretty fucking good, if you ask me. When you have the financial hub of the world, you have people sleeping on the streets. You go, no, let's put some money so they can go inside like this is. And homeless people are supposed to basically enter in and out of homelessness. The idea is, give them some shelter, maybe they can get back out on their feet. The migrants hear about this, and they're like, what? Free housing? Let's get up there. So they're taking advantage of a system that is not for them. And I think when New Yorkers have kind of learned that, they're like, oh, this is. There's something unethical about this. And I think that's where a lot of the pushback is happening. But in terms of visually being able to see it, it's not something that New Yorkers notice.

Right.

We just can't. The news makes it seem like it is.

Right.

We see the article, oh, this guy beats up the police or something like that. But in terms of when you're walking down the street, it is not detectable.

So unless you're near one of these places like the Roosevelt hotel that they've converted, it's the Roosevelt.

It's crate, like the one that's right across the street from. From Madison Square Garden.

Mm hmm.

You know the hotel?

Yeah.

I couldn't believe they converted the whole thing.

It's an iconic hotel. It was in that fucking Jennifer Lopez movie.

Oh, yes. She worked.

She was the maid, which is the maid. Yeah.

So.

But this is like a hotel. We all know. We see it after every Knicks game. It's like, you can't fathom that. The whole hotel.

Yeah.

So. And also that system that was set up for the homeless was already operating at capacity. And then you increase the amount of migrants into the city by 50%. I think it went up 50% in the last couple of years. Of course, there's going to be this insane overflow, and it just can't handle. Handle it.

Nuts.

It just can't handle it. But they're taking advantage of something that's not for them. So I understand the frustration about it.

But is there any kind of pushback to try to stop to that 100%? What are they doing?

Nothing, Joe.

Everybody's.

Everybody's doing what benefits them. And the politicians are shrewd. Like, Adams is shrewd. He told the governor, Hochul, I think her name is, he was like. He was like, listen, I think we're going to have to shut down a new recruitment class for the police. We don't have any more money because we got all these migrants. I mean, you guys got to do something about that. Give me some more money. He got some more money. He didn't shut down anything, so he got more money, and now he's funding everything that he needs to fund. And I don't know if anything is changing. So everybody's playing politics as well.

It's.

It's. Wasn't he involved in some sort of a thing where they were giving the debit cards to the immigrants? Oh, yeah, illegal migrants. And they were all getting a piece.

50 was like, yo, what the hell is going on with this?

50 is the best.

He's the best, bro. We got a hang with.

We got a hang of 50 something.

I only met him once. I met him at the UFC.

He was cool. Shit, dude, he.

Back in the day, I interviewed him.

Wait, really?

Yeah, yeah, for the UFC. And it's real quick. It was, you know, like he was celebrity sit in, you know, cage side, bro.

He's.

Dude, bro. He goes all in.

We hung out in Boston once, and he was telling me, like, hood stories from Queens because he was, like, really? In that life? And it was like, blowing my.

It was like.

Like somebody explaining the godfather to you. If you've never saw the movie.

Wow.

You're like, this happens. This is real. Yeah, just like, he's a fucking. He's a fucking man anyway.

Never been on your show.

I want to get him on. I mean, we just connected for the first time. When I was doing the shows up in Boston. He was there. He was there as well. And. But I want him on.

It's a perfect podcast.

Guess, dude, he.

He goes all in. He goes all in that shit on the breakfast club with him about Diddy bro, bro.

And he's been that way forever. You know that, right? He's like. He's like, why does the guy try to take me shopping? What the fuck did he just say?

When did he went on? He goes, yes. He goes, I just try to be nice.

I thought he needed some clothes. That's. That's like a subtle jab, too. That was funny, but. Yeah, but also, like, them going at it is just. 50 is one of those dudes where it's like, if 50 don't like you, I gotta hear him out.

Yeah, yeah, I gotta hear him out.

Yeah.

He might know something, right?

He might be on to something. Yeah, he's wild.

Yeah.

We gotta go to dinner.

50.

Yeah, he's wild. I like when they were going after him for some financial support or something like that.

He's.

I'm bankrupt.

Yeah.

Oh, God. 400 million dollar deal from fucking vitamin water.

Next fucking Instagram post. He's got a Bentley. He's smart, dude.

He'll play the system.

Yeah.

He knows how to do it.

Yeah. Yeah.

It's hilarious. Let him write all the articles. Oh, fifty's broke.

Whatever you want.

Whatever.

And he's got his dudes from day one with him still. That's something I always think is really cool.

Yeah, that was important.

Yeah.

When you coming back to New York, man?

I don't know. I'm going to be there for the UFC in Jersey.

All right.

That's in June, I guess.

Okay.

I'll be there for a little while.

Okay, good. You don't miss it at all?

Mm hmm.

Any place you missed nope, not a single place.

I'm not like a Miss Orin like.

A place that you want to, like.

Going to visit places.

Yeah.

Yeah, I like visiting places. But it's like, I love Texas. Yeah, I love being right here. Yeah, like right away. Like right away, I was like, ooh, this is it. Yeah, spot. Yeah, it's a perfect balance for me. Me, I love it. Yeah, I really do. I don't miss. I miss what LA used to be, but I think we've done that and more at the mothership. What LA was for me was my friends, you know, is the, the life that I lived, the people that I, you communicated with all the time and, you know, the comedy store and you built that out here and we built that out here and we made it even better.

Anything from LA that you still want to bring out besides Joey Diaz, that.

Joey's in New Jersey. But Joey's been coming out.

But he's from LA.

Yeah, he's fella from. But, you know, Joey was sick of it before anybody was. Yeah, Joey was sick of it before anybody was. Yeah, you know, when I left the comedy store in 2000, sent 2007, Joey was like, good fuck that place. He was. Joey's a burn the bridges kind of guy. He doesn't give a fuck. Yeah, you know, and he was the first guy to, like, I think he moved to Jersey early on, man. Like, right around the time I was moving to Texas, he was moving to Jersey. He's like, I'm getting the fuck out of here. Yeah, I was trying to get him to come out here, but he wasn't interested. He loves Jersey, but I think he'll eventually come out here.

There we go.

Yeah, he loved it when he was here, man. I had him out here for three days and I got him out here for 420 weekend. Out here.

Nice.

And you know, when he's out here, it's like he misses the hang. Yeah, he misses being around comics. Misses the green room.

How was the energy in the green.

Room when he was phenomenal? It was just such a party on fire. Such a party. And everybody was like, dude, it feel like Joey just belonged there. Like he just sat down the green one. He's like, he's always been here because he kind of always has been here. That sign, get it together, bitch. It's on the wall. That's Joey. Yeah, that's what he always used to say. You get ready to go on stage, like, get it together, bitch. Like, it was just, it was like that meant the party was about to jump off. Yeah, so to have that neon sign in the green room, the spirit of Joey has always been there.

That's. That's.

That's your last avenger, bro. You get that together.

He's the hulk.

Yes. Facts.

You call him in. You call him. And when you got a punk.

Yeah. Yeah.

He's been murdering on stage, too. He lost a beat. Lost a beat.

Yeah.

Does he go up in Jersey?

He goes up, goes up a couple times a week just to keep the dust off of it.

Yeah.

But when he came here, he was, he was tuned in, man.

Really?

He was ready to go. Oh, my God. It was hilarious. I'll tell you some of the shits.

You say. He's so crazy. He's so wild.

I don't want to give up his bits, but, oh, my God, he's so wild. Yeah, he's so fun, man.

He's.

And it's always fun. It's fun with him. Everything's fun.

Yeah.

Everything is. Good times. Everybody gets hugs. He loves you, tells. Everybody loves them.

Yeah.

He's just, he's the party now.

He's fantastic, man.

Yeah.

His story. I remember when he came on, on the pot. I mean, his, his stories. Just being in Colorado, those stories. Oh, yeah, it's a, it's a movie. Like, you're watching a movie in your head. Just this mook just fucking walking around Colorado, taking advantage of all these dumb idiots. They're like, oh, the trees are green. He's like, oh, I'm gonna take all of their money. Like, it was just amazing.

Yeah, yeah.

And the fact that he gets into stand up comedy and just, he's just such a character, man. There's no Joey Diaz other than him. I don't know anybody like him.

Yeah.

You get real lucky in this world that we live in that you get to be close to these exceptional human beings. That is different, just different than anybody else. You know?

You collect a lot of these guys, I've noticed.

Yeah.

Like, a lot of your friends, they're, they're like, they're these unique personalities, especially the non comics, but they're, they're these, like, kind of misfits that I've noticed. Like, even your buddy, was it Tommy, who plays pool? Like.

Yeah.

Every one of your guys that I meet, like, within 15 minutes, they're telling me a story that, like, just blows my fucking mind.

Yeah.

And it's. Yeah, it's really interesting. They're unique in this, in, in their own right, but they are these characters that should be in movies.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a cultivation of extraordinary humans.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Life's more fun that way.

Yeah. It makes your life richer. You enjoy it.

Yeah.

And when they win, you win. Everybody wins.

Yeah.

It's all. Everybody's having a good time.

Yeah.

And that's possible. That could be done.

Yes. Yeah.

It's just. But you have to cultivate the same way you cultivate a garden.

Yeah.

And you got to root it out, too.

Yeah. I'm.

Some bad apples in there. Get them out.

Yeah.

Gotta get them out.

Yeah. That's good.

That can be tricky time, so.

Yeah. Yeah.

I miss Joey. I gotta call Joey.

He'll be out here soon.

Yeah.

I gotta drag him into the city. I wish he could. I mean, he's kind of far. Like, you know. Where is he, in, like, cherry Hill or something like that.

Right.

He's in, like, down there.

Yeah.

So he's not, like, come in from hour.

From the city.

Yeah. Yeah.

That's the thing.

It's an hour.

If he's 20 minutes, then, you know.

Yeah.

He does a lot of Jersey rooms. He'll do this trust factory.

Yeah.

Fuck around down there.

Yeah.

Do a lot of. Lot of, you know, local gigs. You know, there's gigs now you. There's a lot of places you could work.

Yeah.

Just to fuck around. Just keep the dust off.

Yeah.

No, yeah, yeah. Him coming on was just fucking great.

Yeah.

We're lucky we know all these people, man. We're very lucky.

There's.

There's people out there that don't have any exceptional people in their life, and they live through these conversations that we have with those people vicariously.

Yeah.

Because those people become a part of their life, too. Like, oh, shit, Schultz is on. And they get excited.

I will say that's the cool thing about people knowing you from podcasting is that they probably know more about your life than, like, even some of your friends do.

Oh, yeah.

They're hanging out with you for hours a week. So when they meet you, they're meeting this person they know a lot about. Not this character from a tv show that is not reflective of you at all.

Right.

You're not Ross from friends.

Right, right.

Because Ross might be completely different than Ross from friends.

Right.

And I can understand, like, why you might resent people loving you for a character you play when you know you're not that character. But if people appreciate you for what you do, either in stand up or even podcasting or whatever, it's like they're appreciating this thing you really care about and a true version of yourself.

Yes.

So. So the love feels worth it, you know, it feels.

That's also why it's very difficult to, like, cast someone in an unfavorable light that people already know. Like. Like the human thing where you try to take a distorted version of that person and say, this is who they really are.

He talks to them 4 hours a week.

Yeah.

You're not gonna change the way that they feel about him.

He also talks to other people like you or me. We're fucking around, joking around. You see the real him.

Yeah.

You know, it's not just the distribution of information. It's also like, this is the guy.

Yeah.

This is who he is.

Yeah.

He's gonna be okay.

Oh, he's be better than ever.

Yeah.

Yeah, he's fine.

Yeah.

And it's good that people see. It's good that people to see that he's at a position where they want to attack him.

Yeah.

I mean, he's doing something good.

Well, it's. He's a target. And if you're popular and famous, you're a target. And if you're gonna be the type of person that goes after those people, that's like. That's a dark path. It's not a good path. And you become a target, too. They find you.

Well, that's. Yeah, like.

Yeah.

What we were saying is, I think it's important that when these people are writing these clearly biased hit pieces, that they're also recognized for what they've done.

Yeah.

And the world will see that if you put out something like this, there is a cost.

Yeah.

You're not doing it with impunity.

It's also.

There's a cost in your own mind. You know what you did.

These motherfuckers.

I don't think they care.

I think they do and they don't. I think they think they can do it because they're supposed to do it because that's their job. But I think once the impact comes back their way, they're like, I don't.

Want to pay this price.

Yeah.

The blowback is awful. And that blowback stays on you. It doesn't. People google that for years to come. They'll know when you write something else. Yeah. And then they'll dig into your past, man. They'll find some things that you did. They'll find some people that are upset at you. You know? And it's also. It's just like negative energy. You're putting out negative energy. People that build people up. People that build people up. Through their own version of reality that they're writing about, and they're inspiring people, and they're giving people hope, and they're giving people something positive. That's a great blow. The response to that is, like, this beautiful thing that everybody's helping everybody advance through this bizarre existence. But if you're the person that's just always knocking people down, always attacking, you live in that negative space. Even, like, dude, when I had that whole thing with Mencia.

Yeah.

Even that, which I knew, a, had to be done, and b, I was one of the only people that was in a position where I could do it. And even though I did experience, I experienced a lot of blowback, even career blowback. I lost my agency. I got banned from the store. And even me at the time, who was doing well, knew that, like, this is why people don't do this, because this is the real reaction to someone that's. That steps up and says something about something that has to be said. But even the, like, the negative shit that I would get, this is back in the I read the comments days. The negative response from his fans. It was awful. It was awful. You don't want that in your life. Even though I knew it was the right thing to do, I remember saying to myself, like, I'm not gonna get involved in one of these again. Wow, I'm done with this. Wow, this is. This is gross.

Yeah.

It's like you're.

You're at the center point of this nasty negative thing.

Yeah.

And even though for the art form, it was positive.

Yep.

Like, the negative negativity. Negativity that I experienced, even though it was overwhelmingly positive, just the small amount of negativity absorbing is not working.

Yeah.

It felt bad. For a long time, I didn't like it, and I didn't even like all the people that were constantly and consistently attacking him. I don't like it. I don't like any of it. I don't like that every time he makes a comment, like, every time he posts something, did you steal that? You've opened the door to the lowest version of the vibration that humans give, which is attacking, breaking you down. I can kick you because you're down just kicking him. And, you know, in a lot of ways, he deserves it because that's what he did. That was his legacy. That's what he did. He stole material from comedians and created a career off of the back of other people's work. And in every other business, that's theft.

Yeah.

And every other business, you know, you get penalized you go to court. If it's music, you lose all your money.

Yep.

And in this one, for whatever reason, our business people don't take intellectual copyright is nearly as seriously. It's not.

Yeah.

Jokes are thought of as, like, not an important thing.

It's.

It's not like literature. It's not like plagiarism.

You don't realize we play the bills with this.

Yeah.

This is what we do. And it's how we fear, fam.

And it is creative work. It's difficult to do.

It takes hours, it takes months, it takes years.

Some bits takes forever to construct, to make them. We really good. Rattle them off.

Yeah.

There's some bits that, you know, they just. They require years of, like, hammering that steel and sharpening that blade.

Yeah. Yeah.

That takes forever.

I think that's the best metaphor for it. It is sharpening a blade, banging away at it constantly.

And you're doing it wrong. You got to correct it, and you're doing it right. You got to remember it.

Yeah, yeah.

You got to go over the recordings.

You got to wait. The notes come back a couple months. Oh, this is exciting.

Yes, yes, yes, yes. But, yeah.

To take somebody's work like that is infuriating. But it's a. It's a really interesting perspective to have. For you to even look back at that and find empathy for him.

Oh, I definitely have empathy for him. I have empathy for everybody and people that make horrible mistakes like, like he did for so long. I have empathy for him. And it's the trap that he's in because he won't admit it either, is the worst. That's the worst.

Wait a minute. Till this day.

Yeah, he won't admit it. So he's trapped. He's trapped in this justification that nobody believes, and he tries to spin a tale that nobody believes. The truth is the only thing that'll set you free. And the problem with those people, and there's a bunch of them, and we know quite a few of them, is there are people that start their career stealing, and they do really well, and they kill it, and then they get exposed, and then they have to write their own shit, and it doesn't add up. Oh, boy, that drop off. Oh, boy, is that drop off substantial. There are people that had initial specials that were bangers, and then after that initial special, everything after that is high dog shit.

Now they gotta do the work.

Now they have to do the work. They don't know how to do it. They don't understand the language they're speaking. It's basically like speaking French, but you don't know what the words mean. Yeah, but you say Polly vu Francais and everybody's like, amazing.

Yeah, yeah.

You don't know what the fuck you're saying.

You spoke French in a movie.

Yeah.

And they gave you all the lines and you did the lines and everybody's like, this person's fluent in French, and now you got to go to Paris and walk around and people are speaking.

To you in French and you're like.

I don't understand a fucking word.

Anybody saying the language of comedy, too, is something that you, you. The type of mindset that would make a person steal someone's bit and do it verbatim on stage is the exact opposite mindset of a creative person.

Because you want to do the different thing. You want to do the unique thing. You want to have the take nobody else has.

Right.

Yes.

Which is the banger when you go, well, hold on. What about that? Who told them that? How come that just fucking stopped being an issue?

The beautiful thing about a joke is that, like, it always is existing.

Right.

The great ones are always existing right in front of us.

Yeah.

And we just haven't grabbed on it. So when somebody says it, you're like, you, mother.

Exactly.

How did I not? Exactly.

It's that that's the best feeling when someone has a bit. You're like, why didn't I think of that?

Yeah.

It's the best feeling when someone comes up to you and goes, yeah. Oh, my God, that bit is so good.

And it can be simple.

It can be such a simple, but that requires it.

You.

You're not thinking about yourself. You're thinking about the work, the thing, the piece that you're working on when your person thinks about themselves, like, I'm gonna kill by saying these things and I'm gonna get this. It's. You're literally, like, blocking creativity.

Yeah.

And so then when they have to be creative, it's terrible.

They just never learned.

They don't, they never spent the time in the gym.

They don't know how to lift the weights. They just don't know what it is.

And they're pretending they're black belt.

Yeah.

They're out there pretending to be a black belt with all the confidence of a black belt. But they got bullshit moves.

Yeah.

And they get knocked out.

Yeah.

They get fucked up.

That does happen.

Yeah. And it's.

Yeah, it's like, it's hilarious when you see a really bad special from a known thief.

Yeah.

Some of them, they'll still step on premises that they know other people have done and it still sucks cause they can't steal anymore.

The language is the best way of putting it.

Yeah.

It's like you don't understand the language of comedy.

Yeah.

It is a fucking. And that's something I wonder, like, the people who start really young, like, you know how like when you learn a language young.

Yeah.

You have a way greater aptitude for it and there's a fluency and a comfort within it. Whereas if you try to learn a language at like 40, maybe it's just not gonna be a straight, like, you can memorize vocabulary. You can do all these things just a little bit harder for you to be able to.

Well, you don't have the resources because, you know, like, when you're 40, you have bills and family and obligations, things that are bothering you all day long.

Yeah.

When you're 15 or twelve, you don't have any of those problems. You have a few problems with friends. You don't have any bills. Foods on dairy available every night.

Yeah.

You're not worrying about how that electric stays on. Okay. The Internet's on. I type in explore.

Yeah.

You're free. You have so little resources that are being allocated to all these different things.

Yeah.

That when you're a person that you have a family in a mortgage.

Yeah.

Fucking business responsibilities, neighborhoods, homeowners association, human resources at work and taxes. And you don't have the time to learn French.

Yeah.

You better learn it before all that.

Yeah, yeah.

It's much easier if you learn it before all that because otherwise you're just not going to have the time to obsess about a thing and the obsession.

And like the purity when you really care about the thing you're talking about. Like, I don't know if you've went through times in your, in your snap career where, like, there wasn't something you wanted to share. Did you ever go through stretch?

You have nothing to talk about. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And it's like, or like there, there was times where like, I felt like I talked about all the things.

Mm hmm.

And I had like a stripe before this last hour. I was like, man, what do I want to say?

Alright.

I did the thing about abortion.

I've done the thing about Tran.

I did all the things. And I'm like, I don't want to just be grabbing at a topic. I want to really like, feel strongly about something actually be interesting. Exactly.

Yeah.

And I took like a little bit of time off before I actually felt something. And the funny thing is when you feel strongly about something, it pours out. It's not hard. The jokes might not be good at first, but you can't wait to tell them and figure them out.

Right.

Trying to figure out a joke you don't care about is a job. It's not an art.

That's a job.

But when you care and it's fun and exciting and the stakes are fucking high and it could fuck up. Yeah, that. I want to get on state. I can't wait. Give me another spot.

You try to figure it out in real time in front of a group of people.

Yeah.

And you have to elicit a specific response from them. It has to be humor.

You know, it's so funny. Is like, you ever listen to a recording of, like, a new bit and when you were on stage doing, you're like that crushed. And then when you listen back, you're like, oh, it did. Okay. But you were just so excited.

Yes.

It worked.

Yes.

That the excitement changed almost the way that you interpreted the crowd.

Yes.

And I don't know, for me, I'm like, oh, that means I really like this.

But also, that's the problem with old bits. You don't get enthusiastic about it anymore, and the audience doesn't feel the enthusiasm from you.

And you're like, why is this not working?

Right. It's because you're not working.

Because it's not math. Some people are doing, like, word problem jokes at its core. It's not word problem. It's like those people got to connect to the way you feel about this thing.

Exactly.

And they'll pick up quick.

Exactly, exactly.

And there's ways to trick the system with, like, mister X and all this kind of stuff.

Uh huh.

But if they can feel, they can sense that deep down you don't give a fuck.

Right.

They're not giving it up. And you got guys like, like, Joey's a perfect example. It's like when he's fucking rolling.

Yeah.

He feels it.

Yeah.

It feels like he is equally passionate about it the first time he said it. And then, and you get caught up. It's becoming a joke.

Yeah.

It's hypnosis. Yeah, it is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hypnotizing the entire crowd to think the way Joey thinks.

Yes.

Yeah.

Yes.

That's what he's doing.

You're on like, an emotional wavelength.

Yes.

And yeah, to me, that's like the, that's the highest form of it.

Obviously.

You want to have the structure, you have the jokes, you have the Mister X. And all these things, 100%. But to me, I think those are almost like, that's like the icing and sprinkles on the cake. The cake is built with how much do I really fucking care about this position?

Yes.

And sometimes the position is just me being naughty or silly or absurd. Doesn't matter.

Yeah.

I got a fucking care about it.

Right.

Yeah.

It has to be important to you.

Yeah.

And they feel that.

Yeah. Yeah.

And those.

I don't know.

Those are the bits I always remember. They can be the silliest little fucking things. Like, little things Patrice would do about, you know, the subway stopping. You saw that one where, like, excuse me, someone's just been hit by the subway. There's gonna be a delay. And he just, he just stands there, and all of a sudden, he, like, moves his sleeve to look at his watch to see how late he's gonna be to work. And it's just this little tiny thing, which is like, that's how we would feel. Like, he didn't even need a punchline. It's just like, a guy's dead. Turn into jelly on the tracks. He's like, 915. Fuck.

Yeah.

Like, yeah.

Yeah.

How many of those can I make in my life?

Yeah.

That's to me.

And you always think that when you have a new bit, like, this is the last new bit. Like, I don't have anything else to say, but you'll always have something to say. You just need the time.

Yeah.

You need the time and need to think. And again, it needs to be something you're actually interested in.

Yeah.

So you have to find something you're actually interested in.

Yeah.

That's the difference between thieves. Like, that's why they don't have interest in killing self.

Exactly.

They're student themselves.

How can I succeed? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Mm hmm. Yeah.

And they're usually always tearing down other comedians too.

Yeah.

Which is always ironic.

Well, because they're projecting how they feel about themselves.

Yeah, it's fascinating. It's fascinating. But it's also fascinating that there's still a few thieves out there that have managed to, like, slip through and they're existing around us. We're all aware of them. Like, there's one. There's one. Look at them over there.

Why do you think there are more people that don't call them out then?

Because there's definitely career implications, consequences. Yeah. You know, like, some of these people wind up being successful and they hire people. That's one of the things they love to do. Thieves will hire a bunch of other thieves, when they got a television show and they have thieves, like a thief will hire a bunch of comedians, I should say, when they get a television show and they give them work and they support them, and then this is like, then you have a bunch of people that will defend you.

Like, that's very common and because you're paying them.

Exactly, exactly. Like the thieves will go out and get a bunch of people that maybe they swipe some bits from and they put them on the television show. Yeah, I know people have done that.

So that's their way of like paying. Paying it back for silence.

Paying it back, yeah. Hooking him up. Paying him back. I'll give you examples after the show. We don't need to be negative. You talk about people, but there's a bunch of that that I know.

But you know, there's also a bunch of people that are killing it that we know are pure.

Yeah.

And having this, like, amazing, successful run right now because of the Internet, because of streaming platforms that are leaning into really good comedy and not comedy that like, fits a certain narrative.

Yeah.

Those people, if I look at the people who having the most success right now, I think it's the people that are pure and there's a lot of that.

Yeah.

I mean, we can talk after, but the people that I see crushing it, the people I'm looking at, and I'm just like, holy shit, this guy does it like Shane deserves it.

Yeah.

And he's just hilarious.

Yeah.

And I'm looking at these people and I'm just like, that could have went a different way.

100%.

Like it could win a really different way.

Yeah.

But the structure was set up in a way where he had another opportunity and with his second chance demolished anything that could have stood in his way.

Yeah.

And it's like, okay. I look at that and I go, okay, there is some justice in this.

It's also like people are in his corner.

Yeah.

Want him to succeed.

Yeah.

Well, when you're good, people want to fight for you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

This is a great time for comedy, man.

Yeah.

I think it might be the best time ever. I really do. I think this is the legitimately the golden age of comedy.

We're in it.

And this is also when, like, re said it best is like, comedy's dangerous now is. It's fun because comedy's dangerous again.

Yeah.

Cuz, you know, like, there's so many people that want to restrict what people can and can't talk about that that's. That's unique.

I feel like the restriction is less now.

Really? Yeah, now, right now currently, like, in.

Today, I feel like we can kind of say anything as opposed to, like, two years ago. Two, five. Five to two years. Like, now you're like, oh, shit. This joke is wild to say.

Well, it's also people are wanting you to go out there. They get excited, like, when you did that diddy bit, like, people wanted you, wanted you to go out there. They're like, oh, he went right in there. Oh, Jesus Christ.

I remember I got to LA a day early, and I was trying to, like, work out some, like, local stuff. Because sometimes it's fun to just, you know, you're in a city and I was, I was at the store and I was bombing my ass off with local shit. Every local joke I tried to do just fucking bombed. And I was like, what the fuck am I going to talk about the forum? Like, everything. I try. And I thought that they were, like, aware that, like, the city was, you know, in a different state than it used to be. And I'm trying to write all these jokes about, like, what's happened to the city. And people in LA don't really feel the city's changed that much. That's like an outside perspective. So I'm saying it. And they're kind of laughing, but they're like. Or they're aware and they don't want to admit it.

Right?

And I remember we just, just in the green room, I'm just like, fucking. Maybe the joke is about Diddy. That's the only thing everybody's talking about. That's, that's always on our minds. That's what's happening.

Yeah.

And then, bro, this is how funny 50 is. I'll share this.

Can you?

Yeah.

I'll tell you the full thing after, but okay. I got FaceTime from 50, and he's like, he's like, yo, next time. Yo, next time I come see you, bro, I'm gonna come out on stage with a maltese cat. I'm like, bro, you the craziest motherfucker. Imagine him walking out on a show petting the fucking cat.

So do you. What do you think was going on?

With who? Meek and Diddy? I don't think any, I don't think Meeks gay. I don't think anything's happened with them. I think that was just, like, a funny rumor that happened. I even said that when I first did the meek joke, I was like, I don't think he's gay. He just handled the accusations poorly.

Yes.

Like, he just handled pussy does that. That's the gayest thing.

Yeah, it's.

But I don't think he's. But, uh.

Yeah, yeah.

But that's just an unsophisticated approach to pr.

Yeah. Like, his PR team is probably like, hey, maybe don't do something.

Yeah. Yeah.

Who knows? Me's probably not consulting with anybody. Yeah, I had a guess. Nobody consults with you when something happens. You just post whatever you want.

Yeah. Yeah.

I don't have, like, a team.

Yeah.

Telling me, don't say that before the podcast. That would be a problem.

Yeah, it would be. Yeah.

I would have never gotten anywhere.

Yes. We need you to not have a team, actually.

Yeah.

It's actually kind of important you don't have a bunch of people you consult with about what could be dangerous, because then who.

Who controls them? What are their intentions?

Exactly.

Exactly. And what are they. What are they doing this based on, you know, self preservation?

Yeah. Yeah. It's.

It's just wild that apparently he had cameras in every room of his house. That's what they're saying. Has that been verified?

I don't think it's been verified. And I think, like, the Epstein shit, it never will be. Now, I'm not saying that he's like, Epstein. You know, I think he could have some fucking wild parties, etcetera.

But he was filming everybody.

If he's filming everybody, I understand why Hummer showed up to the house, because people who went to the parties were like, get those fucking things.

Hundreds of hidden cameras discovered in Diddy's homes. Lawsuit says.

Oh, well, then it's. Yeah, it's a wrap done.

Hundreds.

Yeah, we'll never see any of that footage.

This dude had hundreds of cameras. That is so crazy.

Cause if he's doing wild shit.

A court filing. Jones said he worked with combs between September 22 and September of 2022 and September of 2023 to produce the rapper's most recent release. So he said hundreds of cameras in his homes in LA, New York, and Miami.

And did he like to throw the parties? Like, he would throw the white party? He'd do, you know.

But who's he have taken care of that footage?

I mean, you know, you can get people.

Wow.

You know, powerful dude. He's a powerful dude. And I think he really enjoyed the.

Underage people implicating people in crimes by. By bringing underage people to them. Them.

Wait, what does that mean?

That was the whole thing about the Epstein place is that, like, if you've got underage girls and you don't tell these guys, these are underage girls. And then you get them drugged up, get them drunk, give them coke, whatever it is, and then film them.

Yep.

Well, they don't even know.

They don't know that they're committing acts of pedophilia.

Could be. Or could be. They do know, and they think it's safe to do it because this guy's protecting them, but meanwhile, they're just coked up and they're getting filmed.

Yeah.

You know, which is also the theory. Yeah, but it is. You gotta. When someone becomes. When someone becomes, like, a wild billionaire character.

Yeah.

You're like, well, where's the pussy?

Yeah.

Where's the shit that I got rich for?

Imagine you went to the fun.

Yeah, I need it.

Like, how do I get the fun? And then someone comes along, like, you need to get connected. My friend Jeffrey Epstein, he takes care of everything, and he brings the fun. And so you just keep flying to hang out with them. And so that's your partying. You can't go to Vegas and go to Dre's and pick up hoes and get crazy and bring them back to your suite with coke. And people talk too much.

So. So here's the thing. It's like, these tech guys have made all this money, right? Right. They made all this money. They're hanging out in Miami or wherever they're hanging, and they're like, I'm a billionaire now. Why am I not getting pussy? I gotta connect with some people that can make me the man. I thought I'd be the man now that I'm a billionaire.

I bet. I bet in, like, the CEO world and in that world of country clubs and fucking skull and bones, there's dudes who know how to get the hook.

Oh, here's the thing. It's not even the skull and bones guys. Cause that's like old wasp shit. I'm talking about the nerd from Silicon Valley.

The nerds. No, prostitutes. So the nerds have coke.

It's not even the nerds. They have a guy who's. It's their job to throw the parties. It's the fisher now. You know, like these, like, jet setter crews. My boy was explaining how this thing worked for me. So they have these, like, events around the globe that, like, wealthy people go, like, Davos.

Not even.

Not even Davos. More just like, New York fashion Week in the US Open all happens around Labor Day in New York, right? So everybody, like, comes from money. And all these, like, you know, rich socialite people from around the world, they all come to New York for that week, right? And they go to the nice parties, and they do all the things. Tech bros. Or the crypto bros want to be included in that cool thing, right? How do they be included? They got to throw the best party.

Who?

How do you make the best party? You have to have all the models. You have to have the cool people, right? They don't know any of those, right? You get the fixer. The fixers get paid crazy money from the tech bros. Or crypto grows because they want in on this thing.

And you develop a reputation of being the guy who puts on the crazy bashes now, right?

Once you have that reputation, they think they're in all these other people who are like, the socialite people who come from tons of money and their parents are lords and shit. They look at them like, oh, you're paying a play. It's a bringer show for comedy. You're not really selling out Caroline's. You did the Bringer show, right? But they don't know that. So they're like, yeah, we're all partying. We're doing the thing. So there's this whole economy that kind of, like, feasts off these people who just have money. But here's the thing. Those people are doing. The fixers. They got the models to show up. These models are curating their instagram by going to these parties around the world. Sometimes they're getting paid to go to the parties. I imagine the models that are more fun, in other words, they get a little loose. They like to party, and they like to fuck a little bit. They get invited more.

Yeah.

Ones that are less fun, maybe a little bit more tight. They don't fuck. They don't get invited as much. So you don't even have to say, you got to fuck these guys. You just want to know if you want to get invited to this nice party in Switzerland, right? You know what kind?

You start doing a little blow, start doing a little Molly. That's what you like to do in the first place. And then you get to party on yachts, and you're hanging out with all these guys, and maybe they even pay you well.

They are paying them.

Yeah.

And everybody's.

Maybe it's a lot of money.

It's a lot of money.

Like, you know, the salt, no. Brunei's deal.

What is it?

Oh, my God. Salt, no. Brunei. He would. He had his own nightclub. Maybe he still does. Okay, so he had his own night. He has, like, 500 ferraris. Like, these guys have insane amounts of money. Because it's not. It's not public.

Yeah. Right.

So they don't have to be, like, world richest man.

Exactly.

But they're richer than everybody.

Yeah, yeah, right.

They have trillions.

Yeah.

And so he had his own nightclub.

Okay.

And so what he would do is he would pay actresses. He would find these girls. Get me her. And he would get these gals and give them exorbitant amounts of money to come. And then he would have a nightclub where it was only him, and he would go down there and it's filled with gorgeous women. And he would go down there and just go, you come with me. And then they go fucking party. And they were making a lot of money, and one of them was writing a book, and so she had a laptop, and she was, like, documenting. They confiscated her laptop. And then she went back to America that. She spilled the beans and she ratted out all the other girls that were doing it. It kind of fucked up the whole thing because, like, a list people that's. We're getting shit. Tons of money, this thing, to go over there.

We know.

Yeah.

I don't say a list, but no.

No, people that you know.

Yeah.

There's, like, people you know of. And if you go there, you get millions of dollars. Like, this lady had gotten millions of dollars in jewelry from him.

There's a service that apparently that we're like.

I love that word.

Yeah, apparently, right? Like, billionaires can fuck, like, sports illustrated models and shit. Like Victoria's Secret chicks. Chicks that we've seen. And it's cost a lot of money. And they do it because it's like, hey, it's easier than, you know, going to do these shoes. The easiest.

They don't want to tell anybody that they did it.

And also getting a fuck billionaires. And I fucking some random crackhead, right? They're gonna already fuck the billionaire, so it might as well make some fucking money doing it. And it exists now.

And you know about this? Allegedly.

Allegedly. I may know people who have partaken. So it's like.

And they can exist. Bang. Like, cover of Maxim.

I don't know the COVID I don't know what's going on.

Just some hot ladies that you are aware of.

But they're not just hot chicks that come from Russia, right? We're talking about famous people that you would never think would even need to do that.

Right?

These are like the ecosystems that exist out there.

Well, it makes sense if you're worth $200 billion and you give someone a million dollars to fuck you, that is nothing. You make that in five minutes. Okay? In 2001, Jeffrey was forced to auction off his personal possessions after using the country as a piggy bank, spending an average of $747,000 a day for ten years, on top of the 17 billion in gifts to friends and family. The sultan is true. Vulgarity was exposed. His brother also treats the company as an. The country as an atm. And it remains a crime in Brunei for anyone to ever discuss how the royals spend their money.

When you don't work for your money, how can you value it? Like, if it just comes right out the ground, like, how do you really think?

How much was he spending a day? That's so crazy. He lives in a palace with 1788 rooms, 257 bathrooms, five swimming pools, a mosque, a banquet hall that holds 5000 people, and a 110 car garage. When he turned 50, the Sultan built a stadium, invited Michael Jackson to perform in it, and paid him $17 million for three concerts. Jeffrey, 59, maintains a separate pleasure palace and once owned a 150 foot yacht called the Tits. Called the yacht tits.

Nice.

He named his fenders nipple one and nipple two.

Love it.

You never understand why others found that juvenile and crass here and abroad. The brothers are infamous for their sex parties and their harems, composed mainly of underage girls. Wow. Wild, bro.

That.

That amount of money that he's spending.

Yeah.

That is so crazy. $3 billion plus.

But that doesn't.

That site said it didn't include the $17 billion that he was giving out to people. Wow. Mentioned the Michael Jackson thing for his birthday.

Yeah. Okay.

That is ball and son, but yeah, these.

These fucking things exist all over the place.

Crazy.

And it's the easiest money that these girls will ever make.

Crazy.

Yeah. Yeah.

Well, and it's. So if you've got that much money.

It doesn't mean anything.

It doesn't mean anything.

They light it on.

The money's coming every day. It's just stacking up. Giving someone a million dollars to fuck. And the girls probably. Wait, a million dollars? Just regular sex?

He's not gonna shit on me.

He's not gonna give you a Cincinnati top hat, whatever the fuck.

You know.

I was asking because when I was out there in Abu Dhabi, is like, I trying to understand some of the cultural nuances, but I had a joke about. But I was asking about the Dubai shit.

Did I ever.

Did you send me that?

That. Are you.

Send me the clip. I did a joke out there and. But they told me that the Burj Khalifa has a separate sewage system because it wasn't connected to the sewage system of Dubai. So they have these poop trucks that take the poop out. Right. And the joke I said is like, well, that's why they have to shit on the hooker's chest, because it's not connected to the plumbing.

Right.

And. But they, they were telling me, like, these interesting cultural things that happen out there, like, like with, with the license plates. Have you heard about this?

Yes.

Where they. The lower the number, the more expensive it is.

Yeah.

And I go, crazy expensive.

Yeah.

Millions of dollars for a number three license plate. And I'm like, why is that? And one of the kids who's from the royal family goes, he goes, you have to understand, like, when everybody has a G wagon or Range Rover, it is not a big deal to have a G wagon or Range Rover.

Right.

And people have this need to show off.

Yeah.

But if everybody got the expensive shit, how else can you flex?

Right.

License plate.

Yeah.

Wild. Also crime over there, almost non existent.

Yeah.

Go to Dubai and commit a crime. See how that goes. Abu Dhabi and commit a crime.

They've compartmentalized society, but, yeah, they're strict. But it's also like anybody there who's working has been. There's. There's a working class of people who do not really operate outside of working within the society. And then everybody else there who's not part of the working class has money. So why would you commit crime?

There's also the. Did you ever see the vice documentary on some of the people that built Dubai?

No.

So some of the contractors, what they would do is they would go to third world countries, they'd promise people exorbitant amounts of money to go over and work construction, and they bring them over to Dubai and then take their passports and then force them to live in squalor, give them a fraction of what they paid, and they're basically indentured service.

Yeah.

So this, the working system is. I don't know how different it is from that even today, but basically, like, you work there for eleven months, you get one month off, you get paid very little money. It's not enough money for upward mobility. While you're there, you are working just to work and then send money back home to your family, wherever it is, you never will become part of society. So they have really curated a system where those people have no upward mobility. Now, I imagine the advantage of that is there's no crime because everybody who's poor there is working and they know.

Their place, they're in danger. It's not simple.

It's not like taking you from destitute poverty where your family would die. So they're like, yeah, we're giving you an opportunity. These people like, well, if I fuck up here, my whole family dies back home or my whole family starves, or my whole family is going to go through some horrible situation. So I'm the lifeline for my family. So they are taking advantage of that desperation 100%. But yeah, I guess what they would dictate, they would say the benefit of that is no crime. But there is a social cost of that. There is a subclass of people that are. There.

Cost. When you have monarchies.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then you have people with exorbitant wealth and all the power, and then, you know, some of them turn bad. Like Saddam Hussein and his sons.

Yeah.

Which were famously some of the most evil motherfuckers that ever existed. Yeah, I mean, they would feed women to dogs. They would find women that were getting married, steal the woman from the marriage, rape her and then feed her to dogs.

Jesus Christ.

Yeah, man. Uday and cuse. There's been many tales written about how evil they were. They mean they were like, that is also legitimate serial killers.

That's the risk of the monarchy, right?

Yeah.

You don't know if that egg that comes out is good.

Well, it's also like having a child that grows up with total, complete power. You're gonna have a Joffrey, you know, I mean, sometimes archetype, but maybe you get a.

What is the guy that everybody thinks said everything great?

Marcus.

Yeah, exactly.

I don't know.

He did a lot of psychedelics.

Really?

Yeah, yeah, he was a part of the ilysinian mysteries.

Yeah, I didn't know that.

Yeah, he was a part of that whole greek illusion Ian mysteries thing. Yeah, yeah, he was involved in those ceremonies.

Yeah.

There's. There's a lot of speculation that ancient greek society, specifically from Brian Mararescu's work. Do you ever talk to him?

No, but I read some stuff about. There are some. Is there certain plants that grow that elicited the same chemical compounds as DMT or something?

Is LSD or. LSD, yeah, well, there's a bunch of different ones that do, like, all kinds of different psychoactive ones, but they've absolutely found definitive proof of the use of ergot. And ergot is a fungus that gives people the same sort of psychedelic experience as LSD.

Ergot?

Ergot, yeah, it's a fungus. It's also fungus that they connect with the Salem witch trials. Like a mushroom yeah, it's like. Yeah, it's like it's a fungus that grows on wheat. And that fungus, it can be toxic for some people. It can kill them at certain doses, but it also imparts an LSD effect. And they found ergot in some of the wine vessels.

So they were taking it without even knowing?

No, they were taking it on purpose.

Oh, what is this?

A heroic greek potion was in this drink. The kaikeon? Yeah, that's what they called it, this drink. And so they believed this drink contained a mixture of a bunch of different psychedelic compounds, one of which for sure they know is ergot. But there's a few other ones that I can't remember that they know are in there as well. And they found this from studying these ancient pottery vessels.

Yeah.

Your saucer looks like a mushroom. Is that on purpose?

I don't think so. So, but it could.

But if your whole idea is, you.

Know that saucers and mushrooms do have a lot of similarities, but the stone.

Date theory is if the mushrooms that took us to the next level, and now we have the aliens taking us to the next level, it might be.

The aliens brought us the mushrooms.

There we go.

Who knows?

Anyway.

But, yeah, this is crazy. So then he was taking all that, and that's why this wisdom.

Well, that's why he was so beyond wise. And he also believed in forgiveness, even forgiveness of his enemies. He was a roman emperor.

No, he was, he was very compassionate. He has all these great quotes. I guess what I assume is like, in the same way that somebody is writing Obama speeches, people were writing his stuff. So I imagine that his stoicisms or whatever are the collection of the greatest ideas of the time. And the way to disseminate that information is to be like, yo, it's from the emperor. It's from the top boss part of it.

But meditations, I don't believe was ever written with the intent of it being distributed.

Oh, so they just found this diary?

Find that out, I think.

That's not trying to discredit him, I'm just saying.

Well, for sure, definitely he did. I mean, everybody at any point in time has the information of the greatest minds they've encountered.

Einstein was talking to other great people and then he might have had the greatest mind, but he's still able to.

Yeah.

It's a collaborative effort.

Yeah.

And including with philosophy and certainly back then. But, you know, this guy, this one guy, his experiences to this day, they resonate. You read meditations today, like, oh, this is a guidebook to how to live your life in a better way.

Yeah.

And it's rare that you would have someone in his circumstance where he was raised to be king.

Exactly.

Then he would be successful.

Yeah.

And, you know, and then his son turns out to be a cunt.

But didn't they say that was because of the lead pipes or something like that?

I'm sure that had something to do with it.

There was something about, like, I was reading, or was it Nero who was the. There was one emperor that just went crazy and they said, is he wasn't raised in the castle, he wasn't raised in the forum or whatever the fuck it was. And then when he moved there and he started consuming the water from the lead pipes, that they started to warp his brain. And then he went more and more crazy throughout. I mean, this is what some tour guide told.

Totally makes sense.

But.

Yeah, they didn't know what led.

Did, do you? No. Fuck.

They were stoked to have pipes.

George Washington's teeth were made with lead.

Yeah.

You know, that's. That Shane Gillis.

Oh, he's a great bit.

It's a fucking bad girl. I love that bit.

Yeah.

But that's true.

Yeah.

The literal mold that his teeth were fitted into his lead. He carried lead in his mouth all day.

Yeah.

Just nuts.

Wild boy.

Wild boy.

Yeah.

But the country is founded by wild, crazy.

Kind of need a crazy motherfucker to found a country.

Yeah.

It's not like the most sane thing to be like, yeah, let's just thwart the whole system. Do something completely different. We'll do it on our own.

Not only that, but have this fail safe method that exists today to keep.

Someone from becoming a tyrant, to relinquish the power.

Yeah.

That was the greatest thing.

Yeah.

I think that might have been the greatest thing a leader has ever done.

Yeah.

To set in motion this idea that you are not going to maintain this power after you have it.

Yeah.

No one can.

What a fucking pretty amazing.

Did they have the foresight?

Did he write about it at all? Like, I like, is there a moment where he regretted it two months later? He's like, man, I should have kept that shit. Like he's going to deal with a parking ticket or something.

He's like, after he gets out of office. Yeah, bullshit. I could put my horse here.

Yeah.

I mean, imagine if someone tried to form a country today, how quick they'd put the kibosh on that.

I mean, it happens all the time.

Yeah.

But if somebody, like, went to some new, like, Greenland or something, just said, we're gonna set up shop here.

Yeah.

The powers of be gonna.

No. You gonna have weapons.

Yeah. What? Fuck that.

You gonna make an army? Fuck out of here.

Yeah.

We're gonna find a reason why you guys are whatever you are. Pedophiles.

Yeah.

Whatever the fuck you are.

Yeah. We're going over there. Yeah.

We got to stop this. We got to figure out a way to invade.

When are we going to take Greenland already or buy it?

Wasn't Trump talking about buying? He made a tweet. I promise I won't do this. And he had, like, a giant Trump tower there that said Trump on the ceiling.

But it sounded like a cool acquisition.

Yeah.

Like, don't they have all these minerals and stuff? And there's always great.

Also, if the world does warm up, that's a good spot to go to. Ah. You know, throughout history, when the world's gotten colder and warmer, people have moved away from the equator, can't live in.

Yeah.

Move to the places where you can live.

So we got a nice little fail safe.

Yeah.

Well, something.

Imagine little something. We're just all in Greenland with.

There was discussions about Trump buying Greenland.

Yeah. Because it's got a lot of. I don't know.

Why didn't that happen?

I think Greenland shut it down. Isn't for sale. Isn't Greenland owned by Denmark or something?

Everything for sale?

Yeah.

Come on. Are you sure? I just didn't get the right offer.

That might be the offer, yeah. But we've made some good deals. Like, that fucking Louisiana purchase was a good deal.

What a crazy deal.

I mean, how about Alaska?

That's a crazy deal.

Yeah.

Alaska was nuts.

Since 1867, the United States considered or made several proposals to purchase the island of Greenland.

From Denmark.

Yeah, from Denmark, who did it with the Danish West Indies in 1917. While Greenland remains an autonomous territory within the Kingdom of Denmark, a 1951 treaty gives the United States much control over an island once partially claimed from exploration. There's got to be all kinds of shit up there that they could use.

Yeah.

What do you think about Antarctica?

Well, did you ever see that one guy that was on the Shawn Ryan show that claims that there's, like, a direct energy weapon out of Antarctica? Boy, that guy seems overconfident that he knows what he's talking about. He's a fireman. He's not a scientist.

I had access to everything.

Yeah, there's something about that that doesn't sit right with me. But I. I don't know. Also, you know, it just. It's so hard. Unless you have evidence, like, less. You could show that they could turn this thing on.

Right.

And what is it? It's a neutrino detector that also can be used as a directed energy weapon.

That's a directed energy weapon. This is what they were saying.

Yeah, I mean, listen, that's a bit. That's a concept that existed for a long time. I'm sure they probably have something like that.

Yeah, yeah.

They definitely have things that were just theoretical. They have a rail gun now, and this rail gun can go through multiple layers of steel. Have you ever seen the railgun in operation? No, it's crazy. Railgun. Just like, from quake, this thing sends this bolt through, like, I think they did, like, ten giant steel plates in a row, and it just went through all of them like it was hot butter.

But is it a laser? What is the material that's actually going through?

I don't know exactly how it works. So this is the thing.

So this is.

This is the rail? This bolt going through all this steel. Jesus, look at this. It just goes through everything, goes through all that shit. So what's going through it? Just going through everything, man. Look at that. I mean, it's like total science fiction, Star wars type shit.

Yeah.

So they've got some wild shit. And I guarantee they're working on direct energy weapons as well. Now, what they've been able to accomplish versus what is theoretical, that's the real question. And if it did exist, if there was a direct energy weapon, would they tell us? I don't think there was.

No.

Why would they tell us?

No, I mean, it gets. The conspiracies out there get wild. Like, there's pyramids there. You've seen that one, I'm sure. Yeah, but if you also start digging, they say nobody can, like, dig under the ice. Like, don't mess with the ice out there. I think there's, like, a treaty across all, like, countries that have some how, like, taken apart or claimed a part of Antarctica. But I think the tricky thing is, like, if you start digging and you find animal remains, like, humans tend to follow animals wherever they go.

Yeah.

So are we gonna find some humans over there? And then how does that distort historical timeline?

Find a spaceship down there. Oh, Joe.

Now we're getting into it.

Well, that was the thing. One of the things that Lazar said is that one of the vehicles was a part of an archeological dig, but founded an archeological dig.

But not in an arca.

No, it was in Samaria. He didn't say where. He didn't say where. But he said one of the ships they recovered from an archeological dig, and they think these things have been around for a long, long, long time. So the people that work with them, like Diana Pasalka, who wrote what it was, it encounters, she said, that they refer to them as donations. These crashed UFO's. They don't even necessarily think of them as crashed. They think they kind of, like, let it crash. They're donations for us to back engineers, that we're supposed to take them and go figure this out, and that this is something that helps our technological evolution. And there's a lot of people that point to, like, the creation of fiber optics, that it all kind of happened right after Roswell. And there's these descriptions of fiber optics that existed in this. The crafts they found at Roswell.

So they're looking at us like we're looking at the orangutan.

Yeah.

Here's a stick.

Figure out.

Go fish with that stick. Yeah. I mean, that would be a good way to accelerate technologies, to just introduce something to them and go back, engineer that, figure that out.

I mean, isn't that how we do it now?

Yeah.

Well, that's what Lazar had said they were doing with him in area 51 in s four, he was saying. But they didn't know exactly how these things worked. They didn't know how to recreate it, and they wouldn't let the scientists talk to other scientists.

Yeah.

He's like, science doesn't exist in a vacuum like that. You need a collaborative effort of a bunch of different people. And the also different scientists that were working on the thing weren't allowed to talk to each other.

That's a military thing, right?

Privacy compartmentalization thing.

Yeah.

For top secret clearance. But he was the guy that was saying that. They were also telling him that we are of a farm of souls.

Yeah.

And this is the thing that the people that know about it say. You can't tell people because they would freak out. There'd be riots in the streets. Was just. Someone just recently said something like that. It was one of the recent conversations between some top official. They were saying if people. If real disclosure happened and people knew exactly what was going on, there'd be riots. He would be freaking out.

I think we'd be okay now.

Who knows?

I think we'd be.

We found out that we really are just vessels for souls and that we're being farmed by some super intelligent species that we will eventually become.

The farm thing is tricky, but that we're being groomed.

Yeah.

To become this super intelligent species. And it takes time, and we have to get there slowly.

Yeah.

That makes sense.

I like theory.

Yeah, that tracks that you would just kind of let us figure it out and let us go just in the right direction and that the aliens would show up once we started detonating nukes.

Because it's like, whoa, different direction.

Okay, guys, stop that. Don't do that anymore. Yeah, yeah, nonsense. And do all your regular conventional warfare, but as soon as you start going atomic, we're going to start talking. Yeah. We're going to let you know you're not the boss.

Quite benevolent, these aliens.

Huh?

Well, also maybe recognize that this process has to take place and you can't hold their hand, you know. Teach a man to fish, he'll fish for the rest of his life. Give him out a fish, he eats for a day. Yeah, yeah, teach him.

You might meet him one day, Joe. Yeah, you might meet him one day.

They might already out of meet him will.

We believe.

You don't believe me a lot. It's the one thing I'll lie about. I don't lie about anything. I will lie to everybody about that.

Joe's already met him. That means he's already met him.

I don't know. Shit. I think it's all fake. It's all russian propaganda. We need to support Ukraine. Meanwhile, there's fucking things in this room with us right now observing from other dimensions.

Yeah.

Just making sure we're on the general path towards technological progression, which is what eventually gives birth to it.

So they're.

They're us. Yeah, but they're what every intelligent species eventually becomes.

Eventually becomes. But they're basically on a. On a further timeline there.

Yeah, yeah.

They're influencing their own timeline.

They're influencing a similar species to evolve to his. Their level of technology.

Their duty.

I think that's just what happens. Yeah, that's probably what happens in the universe, you know.

Yeah.

I mean, look, when we go to visit primitive societies, we bring the wells.

That's true.

Start creating electricity for them. We teach them how to farm. Yeah. So we do. It just makes sense that they would do that, especially if they're beyond advanced, like, incomprehensibly more advanced than we are. They would slowly help us do it. Right.

Yeah.

And stop us from making catastrophic errors.

And we're fun. We're like dogs in a way. Like, dogs are fun. You want to teach them how to.

Sit and shit outside also, like, look at them go.

Yeah, look at these people. You create some good stuff.

Yeah.

Look at them making drones and shit. This is wild. Yeah, look what they're doing. Rail guns and shit. Look at these psychos, hypersonic jets. Yeah, look at him go.

And still cage fighting.

Yeah, yeah.

We got it all, slap. We got the whole fighting.

Slap fighting is like, that's the bottom.

When that comes onto the aliens desk. Wait, they're doing what?

Slap.

They can't defend each other.

They have to stand there.

Yeah.

They know about brain damage. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The people that host it also host mma. They know everything about, they know everything about brain damage. And they just say, look, sign up at the dotted line. You can ride a bull, you can fuck a dirt bike ride, you can get slapped.

Yeah.

You can do whatever you want in this country.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's probably what the aliens like. Jesus Christ, they probably look at slap fighting and go, oh, my God.

Yeah.

Someone trying to tell them not to do that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

America is like the way that we look at Trump. They look at America, you know what I mean? We're like, the guy's fucking crazy, but he's funny as hell. That's them. They're just looking at us like they invented, what, a bunch of psychos.

Yeah.

And maybe all advancing civilizations are psychos. Maybe they all eventually have to become integrated with technology to escape the boundaries and the walls that are set up by their biology. Because your biology has allowed you through in a natural environment to achieve a place where you could be detached from the natural with cities and buildings and structures and electricity and power and technology and weapons and weapons that allow soft, fleshy water balloons filled with blood to go out there and kill grizzly bears from 100 yards.

Boom.

And you stand next to them. Look at me, look what I did. You know, it's wild, but it seems like that is the only way you get to be sophisticated enough to create technology. You have to have controlled your environment enough where you've stopped all the enemies, stopped all the predators. Egypt. Yeah.

Like, in order to build those pyramids, you need a long time of safety.

Yeah.

You can't build them as at the same time that you're at war, right, you're being attacked, there's famine, there's no water.

Right.

You need long thousands of years, thousands of safe and food and abundance, and then you need a thing for people to do so they don't kill each other. Keep them busy.

Yep, keep them busy. Keep them from fighting over power.

Yeah.

What if it was that simple?

Who knows what it was with those folks? Because I think they were probably more sophisticated than we are today.

Hmm.

It's the only thing that makes sense to me, that they were able to get these multiple ton stones down from the mountains with no road system.

That's the trick that the tricky. Was it the Aswan valley that they got the stones from for the pyramids in Giza? That is a really tricky. It's all tricky.

Some of them are from 500 miles away.

Yeah.

They were 80 tons. They got them out of the mountains, they moved them down. They cut them perfectly. What did they do? How'd they do it? What are the machines? What was the technology? Was it no technology, really? Are you sure? Is it just based on what our understanding currently of what happened 12,000 years ago, which is not that good. No, we have a piecemeal understanding, minute understanding of what was possible back then based on the evidence of the result of what was possible, which is the pyramids, which is bananas.

And we're also trying to explain it with theories that we've kind of accepted to be fact, that are really not that much like this idea that it was all done with the chisels and stones. I don't necessarily subscribe to that.

Yeah.

It says who?

Yeah.

All they would have to do is find one piece of machinery that didn't exist before they could understand and they found things before that they didn't know existed and they couldn't understand. Like, what is that mechanism? The anti theric. What is it called? There was a computer that they found this computer in gears. It was in a roman ship that it had sank to the bottom of the ocean. The antikythera. Antikythera mechanism. So this thing, it's an ancient greek. Go back to that, please, so I can read that. It's an ancient greek hand powered orrery, a model of the solar system described as the oldest known example of an analog computer. And it's used to predict astronomical positions and eclipses decades in advance. It also could be used to track the four year cycle of antithetic games. Athletic games. Give me a little larger. Athletic games. Simpler to the Olympiad. The cycle of the ancient Olympic games. The artifact was among the wreckage retrieved from a shipwreck off the coast of the greek island of Anti. How do you say that? Antikythera. Antikythera. How do you say it? Antikythera. In 1901. In 1902, it was identified by archeologists Valerio Stas as containing a gear.

The device housed in the remains of a wooden frame case of uncertain overall size. 34 cm by 18 cm by 9 cm was found as one lump, later separated into three main fragments, which are now divided into 82 separate fragments after conservation efforts. Four of these fragments contain gears, while inscriptions are found on many others. The largest gears, about 13 cm in diameter and originally had 223 teeth. All these fragments of the mechanisms are kept in national archeological museum in Athens along with the reconstructions and replicas to demonstrate how it may have looked and worked. See if you can find what the replica of what it looked like. But, you know, so they had to sort of like, figure out how the fuck did they do this? Like, how did they know this? What's involved in this? Like, it was this ancient technology that existed, like, a long time ago that they had preserved and held onto. Like, what was the. When was the creation of that thing? So there's things that we know that we didn't think that they could do.

Yeah.

That sort of really throw a monkey wrench to our understanding. Yeah, yeah, that's just one. That's just one that they found. I mean, there could have been stuff from thousands of years before that that just doesn't exist anymore. You know, you deal with erosion, you deal with time, and especially over thousands of years, 12,000 years, boy, you have nothing left. There's no evidence of whatever these machines were.

It would be interesting to study, like, what happened to technology during the medieval age. What is it called? What is it during the black plague? Or was it called medieval ages? What was that, the term?

Yeah, but during the plague.

During the plague, right. Where was there an erosion of intellectual property?

Right. Because we were dying off.

People are dying off. And do the physicists die, like. Because we always talk about what happened when all the physicists died, when all the scientists died. So was there an erosion, was there a step back in our ability to create things during period? And if there was something that was even worse than that, that happened throughout history, that is like a asteroid or something hitting the earth, well, that erosion would just be ten times worse, a hundred times worse. But I like to look into that.

Yeah.

Because you still see great works of art that happened during the mid eight. Mid. Is it mid evil medieval ages?

Yeah.

You see these great cathedrals go up. So there still were. I would imagine they were maintaining their ability to create these great structures.

Right.

But there had to be a dip in productivity.

So let's see what that dip is and then multiply it by the catastrophe.

Right. Well, I think people were just, like, knocked back into the Stone Age. I think that's probably what happened.

That makes sense.

That's why? You see the emergence of written language and all these different things from Mesopotamia. Like, that's 6000 years later after the impacts, probably.

So it took that amount of time.

Yeah.

To recover.

Yeah.

And build back the knowledge set. And keep in mind, like, the knowledge set isn't maintained with the efficiency that we have it now. Right. Like, you get a couple books that get destroyed and there, that's a rat. Physics, gone.

That's the library of Alexandria. They burned the library of Alexandria.

And they're like.

Everybody's like, what happened?

Yeah.

The knowledge.

Take a guess.

Yeah. Yeah.

How'd they build this shit? We've. We've burned it. Sorry.

Yeah.

It is vulnerable. We take it for granted. It is incredibly vulnerable.

Oh, man. We're even more vulnerable now because everything's on hard drives.

You know.

So all it takes is the power going off and we're fucked.

Yeah.

And how long would it take for the power gets back on? Boy. Asteroid impacts kills the whole grid. Everyone's knocked to the Stone Age for a couple hundred years, bro. You ain't getting into them hard drives.

Yeah.

You're never gonna figure it out. And although the hard drives will rotate, they're all the moisture in the air, the erosion, they'll slowly evaporate.

Yeah.

And if somebody handed you a hard drive 2000 years later, you would just think it was a piece of plastic.