Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show your home for open, honest and provocative conversations. Hey, everyone, I'm Megan Kelly, welcome to the Megan Kelly Show. Today, we've got Steven Crowder of Lauter with Crowder. That is his massive YouTube show that has almost five million subscribers. He and I used to know each other way back in the day when he was a kid. He could barely drink, barely legal, as they say, when we worked at Fox News for a short time together.

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Stephen, so good to have you here, very excited for this interview. How are you? Thank you very much. I am. I'm OK. I think I told you that I have a friend here.

We we rode with you to jitsu at the studio and his his fourth we should call him Tim JINSA because his form crushed my trachea. So if you hear me swallowing in a weird way, wrestling with throat lozenges, that's why. So I apologize.

Yet another reason not to exercise. You've been going nonstop. I mean, I've been watching you. I've been on your show a couple of times over these past few days.

You are treating I mean, you are like you are YouTube's Bret Bair.

I like you're just on every hour bringing people the updates. Was is that new? Did you do that four years ago, too?

Yeah, well, I don't I wish I had Bret Bear's hairline like it is quite literally like the bonobo chimpanzee. What's it what's the it's the more human like. They say that we share more in common, which is a bonobo or bonobos and chimpanzees. They look very similar. Only I understand one is more angry.

The point remains that that's not a threat.

He has a nose. Hairline is so low is what I'm saying. When I look at it, there's no speak. No. Yeah, we did it in twenty sixteen. That's when we launched my club. I was before that it was a radio show that was syndicated, but a lot of Krider show, you know, Bill Bennett used to take Fridays off. Which I would just love to do, just took Fridays off, and so there was this morning drive slot that was six to nine and there were a lot of radio stations that were fill in host and they weren't troublesome.

So they said, hey, a bunch of stations said, would you like to do the show? And I said, well, I never really want to do radio as a comedian, as someone who kind of did short videos on YouTube for a long time before that. But I said, sure, if it's in primetime drive once a week in the morning, I think I can make that work. And then I found out that no advertisers wanted to advertise on the show.

And so we started making up fake advertisements when we were broadcasting as a podcast. And then that led to covering the election. I think we had like thirty thousand people watching in twenty sixteen, which was all the people in the world. And we launched the show that became kind of daily, which is the the iteration that people know now. So it's been a crazy four years. Yeah.

And now it's like some sort of huge number. We were just looking up on the Internet. How you did in covering this year's election. I mean, this this week.

And it was something like eight million people had viewed your coverage, which puts you above CNN, which is kind of awesome.

I I mean, I'll get to that because I wanted to ask you about the future of media, but you've got to be feeling pretty good about have people watch the coverage, because I happen to know that you tend to approach these matters in a red, white and blue striped silk robe. So you have a different way. You're avant garde, I'd say.

Yeah, well, I was raised in Canada and so just a red and white robe is boring. It's just not really something that is that it pulls the eye. Yeah, we had a lot of I don't know, the numbers were it was fractured because they said they were going to stop the counting. Remember, we were covering it. I think we covered it for about eight, nine hours. And then they said, OK, we're going to stop the counting.

So I thought, well, there's nothing more to cover. So we left the stream and they were going to reconvene at nine or 10 a.m.. The next thing I know, I took an hour nap in a hammock and Michigan Wisconsin flipped.

All of a sudden they found one hundred thousand votes because they started counting not at nine or ten, but at like four forty seven a.m. And so we were all just glued to our screens and we said, well, we have to come back. And I think the number ends up being something close, like, I don't know, 15 million or something like that. So it was really nice. And we had so many silly things to like. People understand we had my producer attacked.

We had a professional attack dog. We shot Gerald in a bulletproof vest because the response was pardon armor. Like, our goal is always to entertain first. I've always wanted to do that because if you're not entertaining, you can find anybody talking about the current political issues.

And I try to get that right. And I try to be either enlightening, informative or entertaining. And that's why I was as surprised as anyone that apparently I should be a professional pollster because they got it wrong. And the only calls that I made were were dead right. And I just no one was paying attention to early voting. And I don't know why. I don't know what I was I was talking with people here. I said, am I crazy?

I said, why are people even acting like Florida and Ohio are a tossup? I immediately put them on the map. And then I said, oh, no. I said, no. I guarantee you he's going to win Ohio by five points, guaranteed he's going to double his his wins and four people can see it. It was on air was the first thing that I said, because I was looking at the early voting and comparing it to twenty sixteen.

So everything else kind of I still I thought Georgia and North Carolina were things that he would win. And I said then he just needs kind of one of the major states in the Midwest. So it really is a changing, isn't it, right now of the guard. And I think all pollsters should be fired without cause.

Oh, did you hear today Nate Silver came out and he basically said, f you this is this has been taped on Thursday f you for criticizing me. We got it right. You know, we basically tell you what the polls are saying. That's pretty much all we do. We just assess what the polls are saying.

So this is an on me. Can you I mean, give me a break. Right.

People are disgusted with him, with the polling industry, with the misinformation, because we know it isn't it isn't in good faith that these people, they refuse to believe that there was a shy Trump voter. They refused to try to figure out in a way that a guy like Robert Haley of Trafalgar did how to at least try to get at it. Right, but by the way, have you ever actually, like most people, have not seen Nate Silver.

He looks like he lost his precious. What does that mean? Gollum reference?

He looks like he looks like a cave dweller. That's a it was a long walk around. I apologize. I don't always take the shortest path to this thing.

But now here's the thing he can say. We just tell you what the polls are telling, you know? Now, here's the issue, too, is Nate Silver and 538. I would go and I would see their polls that were rated A. And those are the polls that had it most wrong in twenty sixteen and then the polls that he would have rated see were the ones that were closest because he doesn't like Rasmussen and he doesn't include the has it pronounced Trafalgar.

How is it that pronounced Trafalgar. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can even include those.

And I don't know why if he's this genius he doesn't include what we see with early voting and we have the percentages of early voting. What was mail versus what was in person. I got those numbers at Fox, not some, not some Republican think tank. And then I combined that target early and I looked at the actual registered early voting versus the modeled party early voting. And those seem to track and you kind of have to use the model party early voting.

Sorry, because a lot of these states don't tell you the registered voting early on and you know that Florida and Ohio are not even going to be close. So what I call was Florida, Ohio. I made my map and I said Georgia and North Carolina. I think Donald Trump was going to be closer to Arizona, I thought would be Donald Trump. Looks like it still might be at the time of this recording. And then I said, could be any of these Midwestern states at that point.

Can we talk about what's happening now as of now? Because I'll tell you, I'm I'm as confused as anybody, but I have connections in both camps, connections.

That's like connections. Who had a sex change operation? Like, do you like surprises? What's going on?

Which, by the way, no surprise, considering considering the dominatrix role you played with Mark Cuban. I listen to that podcast and I was so I couldn't sit down for a week.

Oh, thank you. Hey, I'm not against dominatrix, but that's not to say that same thing is true and surprise.

OK, so but I was combining the two. In other words, in the interaction with Mark Cuban, I will tell you this. I thought you did a fantastic job of being respectful, giving Mark Cuban room, but holding his feet to the fire. So I was nervous to do this because I know that I know that you're tricky. I know that you're quick on your feet. But I thought you did a really good job. Actually, my wife sent it to me.

She said, you listen to this. Yeah.

Oh, thank you very much. I enjoyed it. You know, I give him credit for coming on and having this conversation because I can't think of another guy in his position who would have and I I didn't exactly get like a bouquet of roses from him after the fact. I'm not sure if he was coming back. I had.

But either way, I'm OK because we had a really good discussion. And, you know, I respect that. I respect him for doing it. I want to ask you about Trump, though, because since you've been covering it so closely and what I'm hearing from Team Trump, right.

The people not that his inner circle, but people who are very close and are intimately involved in trying to get him elected are saying they actually believe today he has won, that he's won it. And I've talked to these people many times. He's won Arizona. They they do not believe the vote in Arizona. They think he's won Georgia. He's won Pennsylvania, and they think he's won Nevada. Like that's what they're saying that I talked to my contacts over in the decision world at Fox.

And they're saying there's zero chance that Arizona flips back, that Fox made the right call, that not even if he gets fifty seven percent of the outstanding vote in Arizona, can he turn the numbers around. He cannot do it that the outstanding vote is in Democratic counties. There's zero chance he's going to make up the difference. That's why they're so confident in their call.

And I think, you know, right now the narrative is spun out of the out of control where people are openly booing Fox and they're going after aren't in Michigan. The head of the decision desk is a straight arrow.

I my head is kind of swimming. How about you?

I think that's dishonest of Fox to say, no, I don't disagree with what you said. Now, what we are seeing, though, there are quite a few sources that say that Donald Trump is winning over sixty three percent of those votes. Keep in mind that they counted the mail in votes, I believe, in Arizona. First, the outstanding ballots are people who voted in person. And what we're seeing in a lot of those scenarios is about a two point five to one ratio of Republicans to Democrats.

And the county is not as liberal as you think. But my issue with Fox News there when I say it's dishonest is they say we're confident in our call. They called it was zero percent of the vote. I'm exaggerating.

No, no. Five percent of the voted no, no, no. And Fox News called it it was 70 something percent of the vote, I believe, and 80 percent of the vote.

That's what in Michigan said. Trust me when I tell you, Ana, Michigan does not lie.

He does not lie. He had they had 80 percent of the vote in. And that's why they felt confident tabulating it, because they can see where the remaining 20 percent is coming from. And they have algorithms and data and a history to figure out what the percentages would have to be for Trump to close it out in the remaining twenty. So go ahead.

They consistently call the other states the same way, have those same margins. Yes, they do. They do.

I mean, trust me, Stephen, I, I, I've worked with these guys for years. I was the person who did polling with them. I was you know, they would do the exit polling and I was the one who'd be on the air before I became an anchor explaining to people what they said. And then I became an anchor and I work with them even more intimately.

And then there was the infamous 2012 thing where Karl Rove tried to say they were wrong. And I did the walk down the hall.

I know these guys, they they couldn't give a damn who wins the election. They care about getting it right. And so if the outstanding vote is in counties that they think it's going to make it too close to call, they won't call it. That's why they waited so long.

And states like Florida, well, they did wait longer in Florida than. ABC, that's for sure. However, starting in Florida, Arizona, but a lot of places called Arizona, long before they've called other states, for example, like Pennsylvania, or if I'm not mistaken, one of the major one of the major news channels when we were watching, it was tough. We were watching CNN and they were the last to call everything, I think even called Arizona before Ohio.

I remember who it was who did that, but that did take place. I think you're right about Fox News. They generally want to be right. But I also think that, listen, there's a component to this and maybe you disagree. Maybe you think there's zero percent that this is the case. I think a lot of these networks want to be first. I don't think that's Fox at all. Trust me, I mean, I've seen it, I've seen that the competitive pressure come on them.

I mean, mainly from me and Brett out there and on election night saying, like, where's the call?

Where's the call? CNN's called it. NBC's called it. Why aren't we calling it? And we get these the slow roll molasses from the decision desk.

Like we're not there yet. We're not there yet. Let me just tell you, I disagree with what you just expressed. I don't think that the truth is governed by consensus of other networks calling it. I think that there could be one place that's right in all of the other places are wrong. And so I don't know what there is. And I think there's a strong chance that Donald Trump loses Arizona. But from what I'm saying, there still is a chance that he wins it.

I do think it was called early.

Yeah. I don't I don't think I don't I don't disagree with that. I agree with you that there is still a chance, I just understand that the people who are experts at it, which doesn't include me, are saying I'm wrong. I can see the numbers. I can see why people still have hope.

And I'm not listen, and I am not discrediting them at all. Nate Silver is an expert. Quinnipiac isn't. No, it isn't. No, you cannot put Nate Silver, but you're confusing exit polls with predictive polling that happened before. These guys are analyzing actual vote and comparing the idea of deferring to authority.

Right. The appeal to authority intellectual fallacy. All I'm saying is you could be right. You could be wrong. But a lot of people defer to Nate Silver. A lot of people defer to Monmouthshire, Emerson or Quinnipiac. These were considered the golden standard of polls. And all I'm saying right now is you could be right. But I am not going to say that Fox News is right. And you don't mess with Fox News for four and a half years.

I'm not going to say that they're right because they're experts, because we've seen a lot of people who were experts be wrong. That's all I'm saying.

And I understand we have a huge pool of data here that really no one else has access to with the kind of show that we do. I think Fox could be right. I don't think there's anything I don't think there's anything dishonest. I think, though, right now and what I was saying was dishonest is when they say we feel confident now in our call, that still doesn't justify the call with 80 percent.

That's so mile.

And my feeling in reaction to that, as somebody who's worked with these guys and done this for a lot of years, is with respect. That's armchair quarterbacking. You've got a lot of people who have no idea what it's like to be on a decision desk and do this for a living, trying to sit in their armchair like, well, I can see the vote myself.

And they don't know any of the algorithms or the way this is done or the methodological approach that these guys have tried and tested at midterm elections, at general elections and primaries year after year after year. And it's worked. And I've worked with them since two thousand six was the first time I was on air with them. They've never gotten one wrong. Not one. They've never they've been under pressure. They've been told they got it wrong. They've been told they were partisan.

They have never had to repeal one, not once. So I'm not saying that that couldn't happen.

Now I'm I'm smart enough to realize anything could happen, but I'm just saying that the calls to reduce the aren't in Michigan to like some partisan and say, like Fox is bad. And this is because Fox has an ideology. I reject that.

I know the guys making this decision, their good faith operators and their super smart and super good at this.

But Meghan McCain, I think that, you know, I'm not saying Fox is bad because Fox, isn't it? That's not my argument. You understand what I'm saying? And Fox has gotten a lot wrong. Fox has gotten lot, maybe not with any states ever called that would have to look back. I don't have it already, but I trust I take your word for it. That doesn't mean that it couldn't happen. But I'll tell you what, all the executives at Fox told me that this show that I do right now would never exist.

It would never happen. I was wasting my time on.

That's that's a new argument that that's not stay in my lane. I understand in your lane. What I'm saying is I don't say that they must be right because the experts say that that's so the numbers right now don't say that that's necessarily so. And I think there's a strong chance that Biden wins Arizona. I just think I think that you have a little bit. A little bit. And I want to keep this, of course, friendly. I'm very appreciative to be here.

So I don't want you to take this as confrontational. Little bit of a blind spot, because when Americans hear the experts, the experts are wrong about. So we can just isolate it.

I'm just saying that now your mate, your mate, you're building a straw man right now. I'm not saying the experts say and I and I don't think you're right at all to compare these guys to Nate Silver. The pollsters got Nate Silver has a very spotty history. Arnon Myshkin does not. And my my my belief in them, which is not unfettered, but my belief in them is not because they are experts. It is because I have had experience with them.

It is like having cancer that recurs from time to time. And the doctor sits you down and says, this isn't it. And the doctor takes a look at the new lump and says, this is bad. And then something happens a couple of years later. And he says, don't worry. I mean, I've had people who have gone through my life. You develop a respect for that person's judgment based on their history of accuracy. It isn't deference to authority.

It is my my experience with this person being right every time leads me to have a greater confidence in him being right now. You could be right, I don't, but so you just mentioned your personal. I don't have personal experience with that person. I think if what you say is true that Fox News has never gotten one wrong, then it's not even up for debate. Of course, Arizona has gone by, but that's not my experience with this person.

All I'm saying is I don't take the word of one person or one expert. I didn't just say Nate Silver, but all of these polls, which I know is what we're going to be talking about. I think a lot of Americans and that doesnt mean that Americans are right. But I'm saying that the language that is used, this is what Americans have a problem with. And when people talk about not having trust in our institutions, there's because there's a lot of this talk.

Well, the experts know whatever it is, X, X, Y, ABQ. And I know in this instance you have a lot of personal experience and they have a great track record. Let me really simplify what I'm saying. I don't think that Fox News is bad. I don't think that they're trying to call things incorrectly because they have an ideology. I think, Brett, there is probably the best broadcaster in news. I think the man is fantastic and I think they are probably right about Arizona.

I also think they called it too early, just my opinion. What can I tell you? I mean, to give you the point, I do think that a lot of Americans, including me, are a little too deferential to authority. And I have been surprised over the past four years to see some of the institutions that I really revered and trusted entirely. I have had the mass pulled down as pretty nakedly partisan. The FBI comes to mind, right?

Like when when Jim Comey first was getting attacked, I was one percent a Jim Comey defender. I was like, what do you mean it's James Comey? Like, he's beyond reproach. Why are these people saying he's partisan?

I would never believe that one hundred percent wrong. So I'm humble enough to realize I don't know everything.

And I and I, I also see it. It's not even just the FBI or some of these big government organizations, but big tech and media.

You know, our industry, it is not trustworthy. It's the same thing. I wouldn't say I always trusted media, but I think most people out there trusted Uncle Walter, trusted Peter Jennings. You know, some of the people we grew up with or I did. And now it's one hundred percent different. So I get that my hopes could be dashed in Arden in Michigan. And I'm not rooting for Arizona one of the one way or the other.

But I do like these guys because they're former colleagues. But they could be dashed because I've had them dashed repeatedly. And I know you've had your own situation with big tech, where that's another industry where it's like, oh, wow, so big.

They employ so many Americans. And then you turn up. It turns out they're completely partisan and agenda driven. Yeah.

And I think to mention your I keep hearing you how do you pronounce his name are in Michigan. Arnon, Myshkin, Almond, Michigan, aunt in Michigan, no, Michigan, what what's the last name you say Myshkin like as H has been good because I was thinking about Detroit.

I thought, like, you were like you had a Joe Biden moment where you're trying to say RNC, Michigan, OK, I don't think that should dash your hopes if, for example, they're incorrect on Arizona. I think that we are at a point right now, you mentioned Walter Cronkite. I don't think that Walter Cronkite was an unbiased journalist. I think he was certainly better what you have now. But he said you basically couldn't be a journalist and not be a liberal.

There were quotes from Walter Cronkite. I just think it was hidden from a lot of Americans before we had new media. And so I think the requirement is for everybody out there to aggregate information from both sides. And that's why I think at this point, anyone who claims to be a centrist, they're actually less valuable in your aggregate pool, because I would rather know what Megyn Kelly is saying. Sorry, what what what Megyn Kelly is saying. Yes, of course.

But for your show here. But I also would like to know, Rachel Maddow is saying what Megyn Kelly is saying, what Sean Hannity is saying. I would like to know what Tucker Carlson is saying and what Lawrence O'Donnell is saying. I don't really care what Anderson Cooper is saying because the guy isn't really honest about his point of view. Chris Cuomo thinks that he's, my God, an actual journalist. So I think Americans have to do a lot of this work themselves now.

Yeah, the requirement, I think a lot of Americans upset because it was trust the experts when it came to the election. And I think that we're seeing a lot of examples of it being rife with not just fraud. People must use the term election fraud, but also ineptitude. You know, we talked about this on our show this election. There were over 2.5 million ballots that could potentially be compromised. Now, does that mean that someone scratching out Donald Trump and putting in Joe Biden?

No, but it means ballots that either were sent to addresses where people no longer lived or there were people who were dead. We found examples in the past of ballots that the signature didn't match or there was no signature on it whatsoever. People who voted twice then there are quite a few examples of compromised ballots. And so the media says there's no example of widespread voter fraud. But there is an example of certainly mail in voting being rife with errors as well as in some cases, small as they may be.

And we'll find out after this. Election fraud. And Americans really have a problem with people saying, no, no, no. It's just there's no such thing as voter fraud. There's no evidence for that. And that's what they say. And that's what they see in the media. Right. But Americans are going all second. I've just read several articles and I know people have to say it's fake news, but I just read an article that came down from an actual like a local court and I don't know, in Pennsylvania where there are eight hundred ballots that had to be discounted or you can see fifty thousand ballots, I think it was in Ohio or Michigan that had problems and those were outstanding.

So how can you say there's none, Brian Stelter?

And they just don't follow up now that they think it's a Republican talking point? And and, look, it it is correct that it would be tough to dismiss a gap of ten thousand or eighty thousand votes by trying to find some voter fraud or fraudulently completed ballots. That's a that's a tough hoe.

But but it's also not true to say that there's no voter fraud, as the mainstream will say to CNN. They'll just dismiss that out of hand. And Chris Hayes was just going after me and others and Fox News and so on is like this is just a lie that the right wing puts out there every year. No, we've seen it. We've seen it. And it doesn't mean it has to be hugely widespread, but we've seen enough we've caught enough to wonder how deep does it go?

And that's a legitimate question to ask when it's a tight race and even more when you just consider how how I mean, the post office, the post office hasn't turned a profit in 13 years. Megyn Kelly, can you believe that kind of job security if you are you lost money for 13 years? What I'm saying is, no, I'm not necessarily necessarily saying that Nancy Pelosi is doing a spirit cooking sessions and changing the ballots with a Sharpie. What I am saying is the post office can't get it there within ten days and they can't turn a profit in the decade and a half.

I don't really want an election run by effectively the DMV. And that's a valid position for Americans to take, of course.

And the thing that makes me worry about this vote more than anything, as I watch the vote counters go through each ballot without letting the vote watchers get within one hundred yards of them. Right. It's like tough to watch from that far away unless you've got some binoculars and you can really zoom in.

Right. Is the abject and open hatred for Trump? I mean, he is a singular figure in four decades now in American politics in terms of the hatred for him. They've been told we've been told by by, you know, a lot of these Democrats in the media that he's a Hitler risk figure. So if you're sitting there counting votes and you actually believe that, who's to say you're not going to think that the ends justify the means? And that's why poll watchers at a point like this are more important than ever.

Well, who aren't allowed in Detroit? Right, right.

Right. It's like so what would be the reason not to do it? Just like protect the integrity of the vote? Well, here's the one thing.

When this is you correct me if you disagree with me here, but when they say the. Donald Trump is trying to erode trust in American institutions by having people vote in person like they always have, like saying that they're their errors with mail and voting. Donald Trump, when we're talking about transparency all the time, Detroit, we're saying, hey, make sure the poll watchers are there and don't cover up the glass to the polling station with Bristol boards.

OK, how about that? The left doesn't want to know. We're going to block them out. You know what? We're going to end all counting and then we're going to start again and oh, forty five minutes where Kenosha for some reason slips by 15 to 20 points. The same county, by the way, a small county. And we're not going to give you answers and we're not going to let the poll watchers be in there. Donald Trump is not the one saying do away with the Electoral College.

Donald Trump is not the one saying do away with the current American electoral system. Don't do anything else. Things he's saying, hey, we've got to make sure that this process is in the light of day and is honest. I haven't seen Donald Trump try to me one. Is he trying to court the only institution he's run a trust is the media. And I think that it should die and I will urinate on the ashes gleefully. So I think when you look at Joe Biden who's saying, oh, no, hang on a second, we're actually we want more mail in voting than ever.

We might pack the courts. I don't know, we should do away with the Electoral College, which Kamala Harris has discussed.

OK, what do you believe in in the United States of America? How are you not trying to erode trust in institutions and something else do that? I think a lot of people in the media mis remember that famous quote, right? The find people on both sides. And I'm not going where you think I'm going to go here, because obviously Donald Trump's appearance in Charlottesville. Charlottesville. Yes. Where people the famous quote was, he said, fine people on both sides.

And no one included the context of him saying, I'm not I'm not saying neo-Nazis and white supremacists who should be condemned totally. So that, of course, is the one story that people tell him. It's true. The media took it out of context. I don't think anyone has condemned white supremacy or neo-Nazis more than Donald Trump because no one's been asked as much, however.

I actually see something beautiful in that quote and a pattern of behavior with Donald Trump that a lot of people miss, and keep in mind, I couldn't stand Donald Trump in twenty sixteen.

I said if he's a Republican candidate, we deserve to lose. Those were my words, and I had to eat them because I was wrong. But what Donald Trump said was, I'm not talking about neo-Nazis. OK, put that on the shelf. Discount that because but there were people there who wanted to take down these statues, these Confederate statues, and they had a reason to be there. And there were people there who also believed that it was a part of their heritage and they wanted to keep it up.

And there were fine people on both sides. In other words, Donald Trump is saying people who disagree with me can still be fine people. Can you find any example of Donald Trump calling Joe Biden supporters ugly or deplorable? No, he attacks Joe Biden. He attacks the media. He doesn't get our fat. He doesn't attack the people. Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, Hillary Clinton. They attack half of the American electorate. They attack half of this country.

And Donald Trump has pretty consistently it's like Woody Allen in Annie Hall just ripping up the speeding ticket. I'm sorry. I just have a general problem with authority. He really does seem to have a heart for all Americans. And we have not seen him attack middle America like these other people have. We've seen him attack the media. We see Joe Biden. I think that's fair game. But no one talks about that. To me, that's beautiful.

I can't stand these assets who want to tear down anything that's offensive or a monument. But for Donald Trump, it can also be fine. People, they just have disagreements.

My my experience of Trump, not personal, but just observational, maybe personal, too, is that as long as he thinks you like him, he's good with you. Like if he thinks you like him or at least are open minded to him, he likes you.

It's only if he thinks you don't like him that he'll turn on you and he'll say nasty things on Twitter and it'll be offensive and so on and so forth. But I've never heard him go.

After all, all Democrat voters like the people in the middle of the country who he would like to have vote for him as deplorable, as uniformly racist. Now he'll rip on the political class.

I've heard him do that a lot. But this we've seen that this entire four years, we've seen it isn't enough to call him racist, xenophobic and all this stuff. If you support him, you are one, two. And one of the things that has struck me this week, Stephen, is as far as he's is the numbers have been coming in. And even as Joe Biden is looking like he's winning, you still have the pundits on MSNBC and CNN every night crying a tear in their soup, talking about what a racist country this is.

It's like, well, I don't get it. Like, even with him losing, we got to listen to these lectures. And you've got people saying, no, no, no, no, no. Wokingham has been defeated. No, it hasn't. It's been dealt it's been dealt a blow at the polls. But look, ism itself was defeated. It won't be defeated. There are two ideologically committed to it and they'll see an affirmation of their crazy principles no matter what the vote.

Yeah, I can only imagine where would this election be if we actually had a fair press, if we actually an unbiased press. I mean, think about this for a second. You had someone go out and tweet what was effectively a typo, a typo that added a zero. Right. One hundred and twenty eight thousand new votes that were found, I believe. Was it was it Michigan? I think it was Michigan. Wisconsin, Michigan, Michigan.

Yeah. And Donald Trump said, what is this? And his response, which is a question, what is this was labeled as misleading. But Twitter never labeled the actual tweet, which was a typo by one hundred thousand. Wrong. That wasn't labeled misinformation. Here's something else to I can't I'll tell you off air. I'll send you this picture so you can verify it. Take my word for it. But there's a reporter at Washington Post, I believe, named Philip Bump, OK?

And a friend of mine sent him a message when that tweet went up. An update gives Biden one hundred percent of the new votes, one hundred twenty eight thousand. I'm reading this right now. My friend said, what is going on here? And he said they counted votes in a heavily pro Biden area. Not complicated. In other words, at this point, we didn't know that it was a typo, but a rant. But one hundred and twenty eight thousand one hundred percent new votes found for Biden at this point.

Philip Bump at The Washington Post didn't think there was anything fishy and had no interest in investigating. So I'm saying there is no level of fraud or corruption at all that would cause them to investigate or give them pause if one hundred and twenty eight thousand, which afterwards, oh, a couple hours later, he didn't know it was a typo at this time. And he was saying, no, no, no, that checks out. That to me is terrifying.

He's the same guy who went after Trafalgar as completely discredited and a hack and doesn't know what he's doing. And he got Trafalgar.

Got it a lot more right than The Washington Post did. Philip Bumps organization, which was predicting that Biden would be up, I think seventeen points.

And Wisconsin wrongs are wrong. Right. But there's not going to be any they're not going to take accountability for any of this.

You're already seeing people say, well, sort of in the margin of error. If you just look at this one time, we said this one thing, I'm not hoping for accountability. Here's the thing. You mentioned Trafalgar, but Trafalgar doesn't fit on the fact checking board of the three biggest companies in the world of YouTube alphabet, Google and Twitter and Facebook, Washington Post and this asset do that.

You're the guy who's one hundred twenty eight thousand one hundred percent for Biden, no problem, they're the ones who have the ear of the people who determine what is misleading. That's my point. It's not an isolated, random reporter who we know. Most of them are hacks and they suck. It's the fact that these people have been assembled as a team of determining what is an authoritative source in today's media with all major companies. And we're talking about big tech.

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For our audience who doesn't know this, and I just give them a little background, and it's not that everybody doesn't know Steven Crowder, but just in case you're only thirty three, which is just crazy to me, I can't believe you're only thirty three.

You're married. You don't have kids yet.

No, no, we don't. Hopefully soon, God willing.

OK, so born in Michigan but raised in Canada, right? Yes, ma'am. OK. Yeah.

The land of Justin Trudeau. So let me just start with how did you wind up conservative? Because I think think of, you know, Canada and I just think of, I don't know, pinko commie Justin Trudeau. What I know I'm just saying it's most people I know from there come out more left leaning.

Well, listen, I hope I'm not touched on a sore spot, but obviously people know you asked a question about blackface, which there was all of this uproar, whereas with Justin Trudeau, the liberal Canadian, he didn't just do it once, like it's his reason that he was doing it.

And talent shows and he was showing up to sporting events in blackface when there was no reason to be in blackface, like he just liked being in blackface and nobody could be seen all the pictures of the funniest thing. Yes. The thing I think I've ever seen in my life, we were sitting here and there was a press conference. Remember the first time that it had been revealed that Justin Trudeau, for people who don't know he's a Canadian prime minister, many people may not because Canada's a silly, inconsequential place.

But he had done blackface, being interviewed by reporters or is doing this press conference.

And he says, I did do this. I did go in in dress up one time. And it was a very poor judgment, a mistake. And I'm very sorry. Thank you. And as he's walking out, someone says, excuse me, Prime Minister, was there were there any other moments where you did blackface? And he turns back, he goes, There was one time where I did wear makeup and I sang Dale. Thank you. No more questions.

I'm like, wait, banana song? And he just tried to skim over it like he knew that was in his past and he was a struggle.

So he was going to go, go, go.

Well, it's worse than old minstrel shows that he had to answer the question because he knew they were going to find it. People here, they thought I was going to need a ventilator. I was laughing so hard. That's the kind of stuff. That's why I'm conservative. I love seeing pompous authoritarians taken off their pedestal. And really what it comes down to with Canada. I have an American citizenship. My dad has always been more right leaning and I started working really young.

You know, I started working twelve years old when voice work in cartoons and commercials and started the dinner table. Ronald Reagan and talked about that. My dad would just have conversations that go, OK, that's a check for doing for Arthur. This is what's going to be gone. I think at the time it might be like fifty four percent. So why he goes with us? Because the government takes it. Now we say, well, why so?

Well, because they also they pay for your health care and better health care sucks. You know, I knew this as a kid, so my dad explained this to me early on. And then, you know, foundationally, as a Christian, they're just I'm precluded from supporting anyone in the current Democratic Party as it exists. So that's really all all came down to. And to give you an idea, Canadians, they're all jealous of Americans. Do you know the most popular destination?

I was raised in the south shore of Montreal. So kind of like Brooklyn to Montreal, an area there called the South Shore.

But that's a big city by millions of people. We would drive an hour to Plattsburgh, New York. Sure.

Which is what I'm telling you. But just because it was the land of cool stuff that we didn't get in Canada and everything was maybe 30 to 40 percent less, even when you took into account the exchange because of the taxes in Canada. So a lot of Canadians like to talk crap on the United States, but they really do wish that they were American. And the fact that Canada still allowed to allowed to exist to me is the greatest proof that the United States is not the evil empire superpower.

People claim it to be because if they wanted to take over Canada, it would take about an hour and a half. It's too cold for us to want it.

And I hope you're listening. Debbie Murphy. Debbie Murphy is my senior producer on the show. She's been with me since the beginning of my time at Fox. She's my editorial producer and I love Debbie Murphy and I love having Debbie Murphy with me in New York. But you know what Debbie Murphy did?

She married a damn Canadian and then she moved to damn Canada and she had a bunch of damn Canadian babies. Now, I can't get her back here. She's actually producing the show from damn Canada.

Oh, gosh. Well, I hope it's not Gebek. Is that she's not in Montreal now.

Toronto, I think. Right. Yeah, I know.

They all blend together from down here, Toronto's boring district, but it's not nearly as socialist and crazy. I mean, Quebec is just the land of strip clubs and socialism. So it's beautiful.

The bright side. I don't have to give her any benefits because, you know, she's got all the socialist offerings of the government up there. So let's hope so. You thought you were a child of voiceover actor. You become conservative. And then the next thing I know, the way I first came to know you was you're twenty one, I think. And you come to Fox News. Now, that's a that's a good break for you, right?

A twenty one year old guy. And and what I'll tell you what I remember about you and then you tell me what your experience was. You were hilarious. You were very smart. You are provocateur. You'd go on college campuses and needle people and argue with them. And it was fun to watch.

And then you were gone. And I was like, somebody probably felt.

Threatened by him and decided he should no longer be here, but that was complete supposition on my part, I never found out what happened. So how did you get that job and what was that all about?

All right. So you're just the portion where we dish, where we dish like a couple of bitches. I'll do it. I've got my Oprah hat on.

No. So, yeah, I started acting and doing your voice, Professor, doing standup in my mid teens. So I actually got of the just for laughs festival in Montreal, which which a lot of people think it's actually harder if you're in Montreal to get into the festival because there are only so many spots. But I got into it when I was about 18 and that took me to Los Angeles and New York to shoot some pilots and some films.

And I was always right leaning. You know, I was always writing. My first manager was black and he didn't really know that I was conservative until I actually came out and I was doing shows in New York and The Laugh Factory. And back then the improv was still there. And then I would just get into trouble on sets because I didn't really keep my mouth shut. So what happened was I really sort of became disenchanted with the industry after shooting a film.

And I told my parents at I believe I was maybe 19 or 20 and I said, all right, I'm going to stay with you guys, give me six months. I'm going to treat this thing like a full time job. And it was YouTube. And I don't know that someone like me that could come up today. What I did was I direct message, hundreds of thousands of people asking them to subscribe to my channel. And the first video that ever went semi viral, which back then was like twenty thousand plays, was me was crazy Peets abortion barn.

And what it was I was reading from Planned Parenthood's website, but like a bad used car salesmen, because they were saying we offer the highest quality health care services at most affordable prices.

And so I have this character as they were slashing babies and slashing prices.

And it was really distasteful and everyone was shocked that someone would do this. And then the next video that I uploaded was me as Mahamad.

And I was reading from the Koran where he beat his six year old patient. I did like a Three Stooges routine with multiple wives, and that's for to talk with Andrew Breitbart. Andrew Breitbart was shocked and he sent me to you might remember a guy name was it Ken Lacourt who was in charge of Fox News back on the court.

He ran dotcom at Fox. OK, OK, so this happened.

Is this Islam video, the Koran challenge, I called it, and that got a couple hundred thousand plays. And I started getting a lot of death threats. And I spoke with him and he said, yeah, well, if you die, have someone call me.

It's a story click and said, OK, that was my introduction to the industry. Then I know this stuff with TV and this was like an online, you know, like all these conservative TV. They call it TV, even though it's actually not on TV. And I was the first person to like hidden camera stuff before James O'Keefe. You know, as a comedian, I went to Canada. I went to the socialized health care system that took me to Fox News.

And you know what happened with Fox News, my advocate there was Suzanne Scott. All I ever knew was that Roger Ailes find me funny. And but I also found out that he thought Norm MacDonald was like the most unfunny person on Earth. So I took it kind of as a badge of honor. But Suzanne Scott and Bill Shine were always very nice to me. And Suzanne Scott was really more of my advocate. So I went in there and I did a bunch of shows.

And, you know, there was a period of time where they talked about producing a show and but they told me what I wanted to do. What we're doing now would never work. It would never work. That didn't really like that kind of show. The closest they could come to would be I, which was really political commentary with a couple of people who might be a little snippy. And then I just got to a point where I didn't really think there was much of a future and I was depressed.

I was really depressed because I was at Fox News and they kind of I had a little bit of I wasn't I wasn't Megyn Kelly. Right. I was at the I was at the bottom of the the totem pole there. So they were often giving me contracts that were very short. And I was always under this cloud of renewal and they didn't really know what they wanted to do with me. And that's not their fault. They knew that they didn't really want any other networks to have because CNN was calling MSNBC.

And then finally I just said, you know what? I just don't think this is a place for me. And we we parted ways and afterwards it became more of a scandal because of the way that the media handles it. But I do remember when I met you, I do remember the first time I did your show. It was the BP oil spill. And Kevin Costner had the patent, remember, on some kind of technology to clean up the oil.

And I remember I was very nervous because I had a I had a very I had a big I had a big crush. I was not married at the time. I can say this.

And there's there are people who are there are people who are pretty. And then there are people because you also you radiate you're very kind. It's like looking into the sun, which you can't do for too long. So I had to look away.

And I remember afterwards I introduced you to a friend of mine who will remain nameless, but Hollywood a lister by email.

But can I say one thing and I don't want to. I don't want to. You did break my heart after that. Let me tell you one. After I left Fox News, I did this thing that went viral where I went to his Muslim bakery.

And I've done your show, I think maybe twice and I Muslim bakeries, whereas to bake a gay wedding cake, it was a funny thing. They all said no. And then you talked on your show and you said some YouTube producer. And I was like, Meghan knows who I am. And so I always wondered why that happened, because I always thought we were we were you know, we always had a good rapport.

Honestly, I'll tell you the truth, I. I probably just. Didn't remember, just didn't make the connection. I don't have a very good memory for faces and names, my assistant Abigail's sitting right next to me right now. She's shaking her head. No, no, she has to deal with this all the time.

And I worry about it because people think it's because now I've become this public figure and I'm just too fancy and important to remember the little people.

And it's not that at all. I've always had this deficiency. I'm not good at remembering faces and names. There are things I am good at and that's a real deficiency. I've had people, Stephen, they'll stop me. Asdrubal like, Hey Megan, how are you doing?

I'm like, Oh, good, good. And then like that chatting to me.

And it'll occur to me that five minutes in the conversation that they actually know me. They don't just know of me, they know me.

And I'm like, oh my God, to how do I know them?

Like and try to back my way into it. And then they'll be like, yeah, you know, when I was on your show that time and I'll be like, oh, and they'll be like and then the next time. How many times were you on.

Like five times like oh shit. Like I it's embarrassing. It's like, it's, it's like a mental handicap.

I was like a twenty two year old kid and I'm sitting there at this point, you know, no single thinking that your main I mean I got shot and you know, so to me it meant a lot more and then yeah I think you but I remember always wondering about that because what did happen and you know this with Fox News, I didn't want to renew the contract at that point. And then it was kind of a, well, you don't leave Fox News now.

You're persona non, non grata. And there are some people that I'm still friends with there.

But it was like, you know, you don't quit, we fire you. And I don't know legally what I can talk about with the contract, but I think you can confirm that there's a little bit of that mentality. And that was a rude awakening. And it surprised me because and I was at a point in my life where I think about it, I was a comedian from can't we didn't get Fox News. We had a pirate radio from from Plattsburgh, New York, where occasionally we could get like maybe Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity.

And I just knew this was the big show. I knew everyone saying, oh, you're on Fox News. You know, I had a segment every single Sunday was debating me. And this was probably appearing four times a week and then a couple of times in their online thing, which I don't I don't it didn't pan out. They change it to Fox Nation. But I'm going, OK, what I want to do, I can't do here.

And I'm stepping away from really the only platform that everyone wants to get to if they're conservative to try a show that they've already told me will never work. And it was it was it was a dark period. I just I didn't necessarily know how I was going to do it, but I knew that what I wanted to do, I couldn't do there. And so I'm really sincerely grateful that this show, whatever it is in the audience, whatever it is that we have, that they actually care.

I just went out and said, you know what, I would like a show like this. And and I did it right. You created it.

Well, I mean, you know, as my sister in law, Diane, who's very spiritual, she would call that people her. But you say you manifested it, you know, whether you were consciously doing it or not. At some level you were making it happen. You were manifesting it. I want to say just a couple of things. Number one, I am sorry that I didn't remember you. I'm I'm really not good at that, but I'm sorry.

So, no, absolutely no personal offense intended there.

No, I, I just was wondering why.

But I feel bad, I, I genuinely feel that I hate the fact that this thing I have whatever makes somebody feel like I, that they didn't matter to me. It's I wish I could do something about it. Was there like a pill you could take that would help you. I actually am one of those people who I'm always Googling like, have they come out with you yet? The thing that helps your memory? I have a really good memory for certain things, like facts I can remember.

I can remember news stories. I remember the details. I can remember somebody who contradicts themselves.

But this one lane and I wonder whether any of the listeners have this same thing, you know, like, you know how like some people are really good at directions and some people and some people are good at foreign languages and some people aren't. And some people are great with faces and names and and. Ah anyway, OK, so that's number one.

Number two on you leaving Fox News.

I too have a ton of friends who are still there and you know, some of my best friends in the world are there. But I do think that there is an element and I say this respectfully, there's an element of cultlike nature to it because you're either in or you're out, you're in or you're out. And once you're out, it is like the omerta principle, you know, like dead.

And to me, that's like I had a bumpy exit in a way mean I chose to leave, of course, but because of the whole Roger Ailes thing. And that upset a lot of people who loved Roger and did not like the fact that I didn't support him. But I did once.

I had a couple of years out of the organization realize it is it does sort of move as one group and you're either in that group or you're not. And it took a couple of years to sort of emerge standing up straight and tall and back to myself after leaving.

And remember, like, oh, wait, you know, I don't have to go along with certain things. And I can think for myself and I don't have to, you know, do things exactly the way Roger Ailes wanted me to do them. I can just do them the way, you know, it's like took a while so I can validate the feelings you may have been having of, like, other authorizing.

And I didn't change the way that I was while I was there. But to go back to what you mentioned about names and faces, you know, the two weren't necessarily one of the same because I am horrible with names, but I never forget a face or a voice. It borders on perhaps some kind of autism, which my wife said she's like, I think you're autistic. Watch just because I just because I think a weighted blanket come on. But I do like the way to pray.

Waited blankets are fantastic. I have them in all my bedroom. How did I not know about this before? I used to when I was a kid, I would put extra blankets on my bed because I wanted more weight. And then at the very last second I'd fanned my terrycloth robe over it. OK, that's that's enough. Sari Club.

I didn't actually know about the weighted blanket. I'm actually I confess I'm just learning about the way to put a blanket right now.

It's a thing you can get it for any bed because you're not retarded like me. Where I do wear I use the weighted blankets but I say retarded. I just did. You're not going to edit this out are you? Like Dan Crenshaw. Any favorite jokes ever in his podcast and can't believe what I can't believe.

Well, we would not be editing you advocate. Just as a quick aside, I remember interviewing Bernie Goldberg one time on Fox News and he used the term midget. And I said, you can't say midget is alive in the air.

And he goes, Midget, midget, midget, midget.

Right.

There was no editing on live TV network. OK, well, thank you. I'm glad. You know, I can I, I don't understand why that is actually an offensive word because it comes from the Latin to come from a romance. All the romance languages, everything is offensive.

That's why Okotoks means late and actually been slow to arrive. And, you know, my wife and I have actually volunteered with special needs people. It's a big reason why we're very pro life. So it's just when people tell us, like, you can't say it, I'm like, I have watched mentally retarded people call other people retarded, like this is something. But you guys wouldn't know because don't hang out. And they're not offended. If you say someone mentally handicapped, which is now offensive as well, specially abled.

Anyway, that's beside the point. Do you want to hear a joke? That was Crenshaw's podcast. That guy. Yeah, that's that son of a gun. He was talking about mirroring or he was talking about reflecting a psychological term or about the left, I think he said, reflecting what the right does. And this was edited out. So now I want the world to hear it because it wasn't a joke that I wrote, just something I said as an aside and we had to pause.

The whole thing is, you know, the Democrats are doing this or reflecting. I said, yeah, I believe it's a psychological term. You know, when I did social studies, they call it mirroring, where you actually mirroring people's emotions and sometimes you're matching their intensity. I said I, I actually as a boss, I governed by projection. I just yell at everyone for having a small penis.

He cut that out of his shell like someone's going to be offended about me joking that I have a small wiener for crying out. Come on.

That doesn't I'm surprised at that. I would have thought he's from Houston. Right. Let go of it. I would if I didn't, I would have a Texas humor.

They can take anything but the face thing. I never forget a face. Just yesterday we were watching something my wife and I can't remember a camera by the name of the show. But I was watching. I said, Oh, that's the guy. I said, that guy. That guy, that guy. And he's probably about twenty five years older. I said, that's the guy from bringing the teenage witch and he goes with the mustache. You most to think about.

Martin Mull it was a guy who had a guest role in one episode on Sabrina the Teenage Witch as a teacher. Pick it odd and I can pick it out. When I was at the YAF, the National Yaffe Conference, you know, this is where people they all show up from every different college. It distracts me because I look out into the crowd and I can see faces and I can remember exactly what where I was when I met them, what they were wearing, my friend who was with me.

But I can never remember a name. It's it really is a gift. That's a gift.

You're halfway home. I would kill to be able to have that. I interviewed Mary Lou Hammer. Hammer. Yeah.

Heather Hunter from Taxi and she's got that thing. They featured her on 60 Minutes a few years ago.

She's got that thing they they found like I don't know if it's if it's only like six people in the United States who have it. You can say Mary Lou, November 2nd, 1978, and she can tell you what she was wearing that day, what the temperature was, what time, the sunset, everything about the day. She's got a photographic memory for every detail of her life on any given day. And I emerged from my interview with her and from the 60 Minutes piece thinking that is much more of a curse than it is a gift.

That's also if it's just her life that's a narcissist like me, really? How about what? The person of the space? What am I what am I retired?

I, I need a friend like that in my life, because since my memory for those details is so poor, I'll be talking to somebody who's got this thing like not not like Mary Lou, but who's really good at remembering things.

And I'll be like that would tell me a story about, you know, we were in high school and I was like, and then what I do and then what it's like hearing the story for the first time, I'm worried.

I think I might have early Alzheimer's. I don't know what it's like.

It's not because our potential president could have it and it's no laughing matter.

Let's just hope he's still alive so we can find out.

I mean, the unclear, Joe, if Joe Biden actually and I don't think he's going to become president, but if he does, he's definitely not looking to the first time. I mean, it was 70 something percent of Democrats didn't believe he would make it through his first term. That is that is a vote of no confidence, madam, if I've ever heard one. Why?

Because because they think he's going to pass or because they think Kamala Harris is going to take him out. I've heard that, too. I know it was I think it was.

Seventy two or seventy eight percent of Democrats said they didn't think he would serve his entire first term. So, yeah, they either think that he could you know, I don't know, maybe someone will turn on a microwave in his pants, forget who he was for a second with the plate in his head that acts up. Or maybe they think Kamala Harris will take him out. I didn't see that subset of the polling questions, but a majority of Democrats don't believe he'll make it through his first term.

And I tend to I mean, these are these are and obviously these are the conversations people are having. They're worried about his health. And one way or the other, they're wonder whether this is all a setup by the Democrats to get her in to the presidential seat as soon as possible. Because, you know, he does seem, as crystal ball said the other day, not at the apex of his authority or what was the second word, power?

I don't know, mental acuity.

He's a demented old surf. Let's go with that. I think that's an apt description.

Okay. All right.

Let me ask you about your approach to these subjects, because when I see your YouTube show, which has got over four million followers, it's huge. That's just on any given day, never mind election.

You really have no third rails.

I mean, you mentioned some of them, like I like to think I don't have as many, I guess, as the average person. But, man, you make me look like an uptight Pollyanna.

I, I can't believe you've been doing the Prophet Mohammed stuff. I mean, I will tell you, that scares me. I support your right to do it. And I secretly admire your willingness because it is free speech.

You know, we're told by sort of radical Islam that if you even talk about Prophet Muhammad, God forbid, depict Prophet Muhammad, you could be killed.

And you not only did the skit you just talked about, but I saw one where you were pretending to be Bob Ross, the painter, and you were painting the Prophet Muhammad. And it was very it was not it was not a laudatory presentation.

And I thought, oh, my God, this guy, he's fearless. I mean, can I ask you whether given what we saw at Charlie Hebdo, you know, the magazine in France that that wrote that published pictures, cartoonish pictures of the Prophet Muhammad and then he was and then and then they were killed, 12 of them were killed, another 11 were shot back in 2015.

Does it give you any pause or are you afraid at all? No, no. Listen, I am not fearless.

Anyone here will tell you that I'm neurotic and I'm very, very fearful. I was bullied as a kid. I get so nervous before every single show that I do here in the studio and every single live show. There's always a moment right before where the lights go on and I go, Why am I doing this? I'm I'm just this what you can't see. But I'm putting my finger on something. I'm just this close to walking off and I go, why do I do this?

I am a recluse. This is actually, I think, the only interview that I've done outside of my show for gosh. And so I can't I can't remember. I went outside of like Ben Shapiro are good friends when they call me up. I'm a private person. I don't like fame, but I do feel compelled to at least be authentic and speak truth. And listen, if someone says that you can't paint Muhammad. Yeah, I can.

Yeah, I can. And I'm not just like I'm not going to be intimidated into voting for your candidate because you're burning down our cities. That does not happen. You don't change my mind at gun point. And that's why we do the change my mind when people call me a Nazi, because I have to change my mind. You know that we do a video series and I say Donald Trump's on a race has changed my mind and I'm a Nazi.

But someone wants to actually support a religion that will behead me for simply painting a prophet. And by the way, one thing to people need to understand, the show is a PG 13. And that's one thing, too. When I was doing stand up comedy, one of the biggest arguments I'd ever gotten into at Fox was with Amy Schumer because I wrote a column on abstinence and she was furious because she thought it was judgmental. And I think that's more taboo, me talking about not having sex until I'm married, that offends people.

Comedians can do anything. They can talk about any depraved sex acts like you take Amy Schumer, for example, talking about blowing guys at truck stops, all the stuff Feigel and then all of a sudden I paint Muhammad and that's more offensive. Listen, there's nothing vulgar about it. It's just that we are told we can't do it and I don't do it to be a provocateur. I did it because. For people who haven't watched it, the sketch was Bob Ross doing it as an image to the beautiful religion that is Islam on a blissfully unaware that he was committing blasphemy.

And my producer was watching it, horrified. That's the joke.

It was funny. It's still funny. And I don't apologize for it. But of course, I'm always scared when I make those decisions. I'm not only that, I'm not only on the ISIS kill list, I'm on like top twenty five. The frequent flyer list. I'm the I'm the Delta Platinum of ISIS bill. And you know what thank got? I live in America. If I were in Canada, I'd be concerned because I could be jailed.

And I have a friend right now who is before human rights tribunal for a joke in Canada. So to me, this is the only place in the world where freedom of speech actually exists. People go, what do you mean? And I say, I mean, just that it's the only place in the world that we have freedom of speech. It's absolutely it's enshrined in our Constitution. And if that means that I have to paint a few prophets, so be it.

Now, it scares me.

I'm friends with Ayaan Hirsi Ali. And, you know, she was helping make this Dutch filmmaker make a film about Islam that was not complimentary. And he, Theo Van Gogh, and he wound up with a fatwa, you know, like an order for his death, stabbed into his chest with a knife and was killed. And she she's she's had a fatwa against her now for being critical of Islam and walks around with security all the time. It is scary.

I mean, that's next level scary. It's one thing to like, you know, thumb your nose is a cancel culture, but it is a free speech principle. I mean, it isn't I would say something I would do. I just don't want to mess with people's religions in general. But you're a comedian and comedians, they get they get paid to think there's no sacred cows.

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It's not like, screw you, you're stupid. It's like I believe this changed my mind. And they do. They don't change your mind, but they do come over to you and they'll talk to you.

And here's why we pulled one, because you did one not too long ago on Amy CONI Berrett. And when campus was on. Do you know which one you did that on?

I think that was BCU. I believe I actually like this girl. She was kind of sweet. She came over. She wanted to argue with you about how Amy CONI Barrett should not get a hearing and that we should wait until post vote. And we have the we have the the clip.

Listen, so there's a long standing precedent. As a matter of fact, it would be a violation of American precedent and decorum to not confirming. So I guess what what would you be? And I've heard this quite a bit, but I mean, she goes against so much of what so much of the progress that we've made from the Supreme Court justice that she's going to be replacing, that it's OK with you. You care about women's rights and talking about women's rights, but what does that have to do with confirming any country?

I don't think that she's the best fit to begin with. So is that the litmus test for why we should justice know? No, the election year, as I first said, but OK, but the election year, I wouldn't want to go deeper than. Yeah, it's also that she's.

You said the election year. Have we addressed the election year that there's 29 times president. So this is. So you don't like it. You don't feel good about it? No.

I told you I thought it was because of an election year like this. This has been this year has been a mess for so many reasons. And I don't know why we couldn't just wait a little bit longer to make that decision. When someone's elected. I guess the question becomes, again, you would have to justify you have to rationalize that reason, considering that it goes against precedent waiting to nominate. That's not what we do. It's not what Obama did.

That's not what's happened. Twenty nine times you nominate you're the president. That's what you do. And if you're the Senate, you confirm or you reject, that's what you do. So I understand the reasoning, I guess is is a good point. But no, no, I appreciate it. I just heard your argument a good point. I know. I'm thinking I like her.

I mean, you had your facts and that sadly, she did not and was kind of all over the board, you know, when you hit her with the fact she was like, well, this is just how I feel.

Well, I just don't want it, which isn't an argument. But I think it's to her benefit to be shaken up. Right. To be pressed on her point so she can either show up or abandon them, which she should, because you had her.

But it's pretty fearless of you to just go right into the belly of the beast with people who I mean, you're not that old yourself like you should by all rights and purposes. You should be feeling like they feel right because you're a kid, you're so young, but you're their age.

I think they listen to you and you just are there armed with your backpack. Backpack that has it ever has it ever changed your mind?

Changed my mind? No, I've changed a lot and I've changed a lot of other people's minds. I should I should be hers included. Yeah. You know, it happens quite a bit.

We had one woman, a young lady who is pro-abortion and told me that she had had an abortion. Why she thought it was right. She talked about why she didn't. It was wrong. And then later she talked about how she was a Christian. She believed in God. And I ended up saying, and I understand why you feel that way and how difficult it must have been. But I also will tell you with confidence that you're going to see your baby's face in heaven.

One day she came back on the show a week later and said that she entirely changed your opinion and she's become a pro-life activist. These conversations, we've also done three. We've also had professors come up just recently when we did the one about Charlottesville, the very fine people. There was a professor from Brookhaven, a professor of political science, who actually didn't know Donald Trump's tax policy. So the whole idea of change of mind is it's not a debate.

You know, I've had Naomi Wolf on the show. We've had some pretty big name, leftist intellectuals. So it becomes harder and harder to get them to actually come on the show for debate. And I'm very clear, like, hey, listen, I have an opposing point of view.

Change my mind really, really was sort of spawned in I hate to say this, but the anti Fox News where my friend and I were sitting going, you know, we were just talking about politics. And I said, why can't this be there? Why can't this be on air?

Oh, because you have commercial breaks and people have to get in. They have to score points. Right. And they try and hit a gotcha. And then we go to we go to, you know, a reverse mortgage with Tom Selleck. It's not his first rodeo. And I just said, what if we just let people talk? And there's also these are also very different conversations when you're having people who aren't political pundits rationalize their position. These are not people who are coming in to make sure that they don't lose, that they still have a contributor ship status or they still have some kind of senior fellow status at a think tank.

So a criticism that I have heard people say is, why do you go to college campuses? Well, half of them have not been on college campuses. They've been randomly on the street. We've done them with professors. And that's very different from the actual formal debates we've hosted on our show. And I would love to do more debates, actually try to do it in. My professor edition or host formal debates on college campuses, and no professors will do it, no professors will do it.

Yeah, they want to know. Yeah, we said now, obviously, I'm not going to debate a professor who's, for example, like a geologist on.

I'll go in and go, I don't know, sedimentary Edmistone, but social studies professor, political science professor, where we would like to do it.

And yet we gender studies that just then send anyone you want just don't send anybody you want back. That's what I would do tomorrow on the stage, because I think his ideas are silly and I wouldn't expect to score points or win. But Change my mind is very different. It is more so designed to be a tool for people in the real world to be able to have these conversations with people at a dinner table, at a park, maybe at a business function.

And sometimes, you know, they don't always go well, they get heated. We have people come in and they whip stuff at us or they break the table. But for the most part, they're pretty productive. And so I hope people recognize that it's by design, that it's different and I had it.

But how do you get over the. Oh, I don't know. I don't know how to put this, but sort of the instinct to claim offense, to claim that they've been victimized by you.

You know, when you go to these third rail places, it's it is whether intended to be or not, it is provocative. And I know you got some of that blowback when you did. There's no such thing as rape culture. And some of the women and even some of the guys who came over were like, this is this is bull.

I know people have been raped or a woman said, I have been raped. And I and I have several friends who have been in those moments.

Are you feeling like I'm uncomfortable or what does that how does that feel? No, no, you know why? Because I'm not in the business of ascribing intent, so I take their arguments at face value. And I will tell you, though, from from my point of view comes from a place of empathy. And when someone says, I've been raped, I say, oh, my gosh, that's that's horrible. That's that's horrible. I can't believe that happened to you.

And I want to talk and I want to console them. But that doesn't mean that we have a rape culture here in the United States. And so that's where it comes from. I don't feel guilty if I'm not going out there to insult people. When I say rape culture in the United States is a myth, I mean, rape culture is a myth. And if you think I'm wrong, you are free to change my mind. When I say that Donald Trump is the best president of the modern American era, I mean it when I say that Donald Trump isn't racist.

When I say I came, the second I'm one of them is just I'm pro Second Amendment, I'm pro life. I mean it. And it's not it's not me going out there to try and just piss you off. You're welcome to change my mind. And the idea is it forces. We don't learn the Socratic method.

Oh, no. Now, that's considered insensitive. They're actually objecting to that in some universities now. That's what we used in law school. I mean, they walk you down the path of your own logic until you slam headfirst into the brick wall of logic and realize you fail. And then like a mouse in a in a maze, you have to back up and try another lane. And then finally at the end, you get the cheese if you're smart enough to figure it out.

But that's how you learn logical reasoning. It's insane to me that they're trying to get rid of the Socratic method because the snowflakes makes them feel bad when they hit the ball.

Well, to try harder, right. Know we'll upload one. Just this video where I was asking people about the Charlottesville's, find people on both sides. And none of them had heard that Donald Trump condemned neo-Nazis and white supremacists. When I showed them that clip, they said, well, it doesn't change my mind. But there was a professor there who was waiting on I was interviewing people on the street. And this is getting harder to do. Megan, probably like you've experienced this because people recognize me.

I don't quite have the financial cushion that you do or the ability to have security. Like, what am I going to hide behind my basketball hoop, my above ground pool? But I go out there, I have a bulletproof vest a lot of the time, and I'm recognized a lot. So it's for me to do this. But there's a professor who is waiting, so he watch me interview other people. I think it was my audio guy here, audio.

It was at Brookhaven, something like that. Some school it was it was a community college in Texas, a well regarded community college. He was a professor of politics. So he'd been waiting, watching the interview other people. And I really didn't want to interview him because I wasn't looking to get into an argument. I was looking to see if people had actually heard the entire context of the Donald Trump clip.

That's OK. Come on up, professor of politics. And he said, I think that Donald Trump is bad and everything that he's done. I said, really, what bothers you most about Donald Trump? This is a professor in politics. He goes, well, he you know, he hasn't really helped the Kurds there in Turkey. I said, oh, OK. So would you like it really? Well, you need to support the more I said, OK, I understand that it's about position hold.

So were you I guess you were supportive of George W. Bush in Iraq? No. He's a professor of politics now, I said. Wasn't there something about like biochemical gassing of the Kurds and Saddam Hussein? Yeah, but I do know that we shouldn't have been there to destabilize it. I said, OK, so you were against doing anything there, helping the Kurds. But today you think that we should. He said yes. OK, well, listen, that's a position you can hold.

I don't know that I necessarily agree with you. And I said, what about tax policy? He didn't know about tax policy. Again, this is a guy who's a professor of politics who said, no, I don't think he's done a damn thing for the middle class. And one about the fact that the average household wage is going up. Lowest number that you'll hear cited four thousand up to five thousand dollars in the three and a half years.

So I didn't know that. I said that the average American pays sixteen hundred to eighteen hundred dollars less in taxes. I didn't know that. And I said, OK, let's assume that what I'm telling you right now is three point five percent unemployment, lowest unemployment of black Americans ever. So let's assume that everything right now, I'm telling you, is true, that I'm not lying.

What would you say to that, because, well. Well, those would be some good points, and I don't know what happened when he went home and I don't know how he moderate's debates in his political science class with the students. But that's scary. And these are the people who are teaching it. And I'm not that I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed.

This comes from a place of fear. I overprepare always because I. I assume I'm going to be caught flat footed. I assume that the next guy knows more than I do. It's like, you know, thinking of an argument as a as a tree have this trunk. You know, this is the basic argument. And that's really not my president. Right. That's where people have to go. OK, let's break off from that and let's see the potential counterarguments.

And how is there is there a way that I can maybe lead somebody down this branch and then you realize that there are professors in this country who are just a stump?

Well, and not and lawmakers, too. That's one of the scarier things, I think. I mean, it's bad enough to have them in academia, but I think for a long time, people revered us. Senator, you know, you got to have your stuff together to be a U.S. senator and then you find out, oh, my God, it's so wrong, so wrong.

And now, having spent all these years and news, having met so many lawmakers, some are great, some are dumb as a rock box of rocks, the boxes everywhere, congressional Boxey. And it scares me.

And it really it's what really got me thinking several years ago about how these guys are not the answer. They they are not the path forward. Every once in a while you get somebody who's really smart or at least a deep thinker, somebody who really wants to problem solve. Like Rand Paul is somebody who I think is smart and really thinks about issues and tries to come up with innovative solutions. You may he may or may not be your cup of tea, but you can't say he's not a thinker.

So this is a good example. I make fun of Rand Paul a lot, but he's been on the show a lot is he's so in the election, the twenty sixteen the primaries, I just called them toilet brush head because they find his head looks like a toilet brush is like toilet brushes.

And he came in, he said it's a recurring relationship all the time. I just try and be straightforward with it. I said with Ted Cruz, I made fun of Ted Cruz. John Kasich probably will never be on the show. I've been brutal with him. But no, I appreciate Rand Paul. I agree with you. I think he's one of the good ones. I think he's a guy who can't be bought or sold and we don't have to do it to an hour.

This is we're having a good time here. And I know I've been interrupting you. I apologize with my mansplaining, but I'm always interested as well.

Hey, can I ask you because I don't I don't want to let you go. Yeah, go ahead. OK, I'm trying to think you're the lawyer, so you tell me you're going to legal hot water. Do you remember at Fox News? So particularly with Fox and Friends in the morning, there was.

In Israeli war, gay wardrobe guy. Do you know what I'm talking about? Do not I only knew one wardrobe woman, her name was Gwen Marter and she ran the whole show like the whole wardrobe department.

OK, well, never mind. Never mind. I'm going to say I was sexually harassed. I didn't mind it. What what happened? Don't grab my ass anymore. That was it. But I just wondered if you knew what I was doing. It happened like guys get sexually harassed. It happens all the time. But I was he kind of looked like the lead singer from Simple Plan. He was a nice guy, though, to actually was flattered.

And we actually we talked about the ideas and and stuff, but he actually grabbed your ass.

Yeah. Like, got a good example. Yes. Well, listen, if anyone see my ass, it's not hard to grab a handful. I have a huge ass. It's like I, I constantly look like a like a catcher in the ready position only that's me standing up and big money for that these days.

You should be honored. You should be proud.

I know I'm not proud of it, but I find it disgusting when women are actually just working their ass at the gym. I just not like now they've created these isolation machines so that people can just have disproportionately large butts and that silly mind develops naturally.

Well, let me tell you something. If you if you want to work on that, let me tell you, I went to see my dermatologist. I get like the full body mole check once a year. You know, they take pictures of all the moles on your body because I'm Irish. So I have Moli Skin.

And the dermatologist actually said to me, because he's one of those cosmetic dermatologists, that he can do everything.

He actually said to me, you know, we have this machine that we can connect to your butt and it vigorously moves your butt cheeks and it makes them hard.

It's like it gives it's like the equivalent of like a month long of like butt squeezes and butt lifts without doing any of the exercise. You can put them on your abs, you can put them on your butt.

I'm like, what are you trying to say, doc? How could you just take a picture of them all?

Like, let's move along that he's saying the thing about this machine is it's my hands. I would imagine that wouldn't surprise me if he did that. That just sounds like the old the old fitness belt. Remember, they used to do like you'd stand like that.

I saw it. I have to tell you, it's tempting. I just a funny epilogue to that story where after they take the pictures of the mules, they make like a photo album for you of all your moles so that you can keep an eye on them year to year. And I'm like, OK, I guess this is what I have to do, just make sure I don't get skin cancer.

So what I didn't remember is that, again, my assistant, Abby, she opens all my mail.

So it was I think I harassed her. I think I sent her naked pictures of myself. I was basically sex did there's a place in Dallas called Super Clinic. The guy actually, I think invented, I guess, the term aerobic exercise. And I do a full body scan. My dad had skin cancer and that was actually the only the closest I came to, like, crying on air, because I found out right before going on air my father had melanoma on his temple, which is a really, really bad place to get it.

And I remember I got called and I had walked out of the studio and we were starting really soon. And he said, hey, can you grab a couple of minutes? My mom and him on the phone, he said, just so you know, I have skin cancer and it's OK. I'm going to go in to get it removed. And so then I thought, oh, OK, it's not a big deal. And then he sent a follow up text.

It was melanoma and it was on his temple and it had already spread. And I was right about before we go to live and it started I cried like a little bitch. And then I kind of, you know, OK, pick it up and do the show. And what we did was we did the cancer joke off where I joked about when we refer to my father as Kim Jong un for about two years because they were they cut the scar and they cut off his his cancerous mole.

He didn't have any hair growing there. And we had my dad select his favorite joke about cancer. So when people tell me that something's off limits, it's like, listen, I don't think cancer is funny. This is the way that we process and deal with this. Also, if we were still in Canada, my dad would probably be dead. They spotted it. And the only reason he wasn't in within 12 hours to get it removed was because it was I think it was a Saturday and Sunday.

They weren't performing the procedures. I've had people with stage four lung cancer relatives and aunt. Actually, I have had several relatives who had serious cancer, but I had an aunt that it took her several months to get diagnosed with stage four lung cancer in Canada. This is in the last five years, mind you. And then it took her another six weeks to see a doctor to find out what the treatment would be for stage four lung cancer, which spread.

So when people talk about socialized health care in Canada, I. Oh, listen, if you're if you're if you're barometer's free, OK, but if it's about living, well, I have a dad who's still alive because of American health care. Do you want to hear what his favorite joke was is? I'm not sure I do, but yes, go ahead.

If my dad was crowd sourced and it was a doctor call, so this is an old man joke. And by the way, people have not played it. This isn't my joke. It's my dad selected. This guy goes into the doctor and the doctor says, I have some really bad news for you. OK, hit me with the doc, says, OK, well, you have cancer. First off, there's no boy. So then you have Alzheimer's.

The guy causes intensity and he thinks for a second he goes well. Guess it could be worse. At least I don't have cancer.

Right after surgery, that's how I deal with tragedy in the family, so if people want to, don't tell me what's off limits.

We call John because he had cancer.

I believe in the use of humor to get yourself through tough times. And I hate the crack down on. One of the things that's so awful about cancer culture is it's cracked down on comedy, by the way, before we move off of socialized medicine and how it can be really dangerous, I hope you're listening. Canadian Debbie. We don't have those problems here in the United States. Canadian Debbie, I would get you great health care if you just move here, make sure your whole family were covered.

OK, but anyway, I can't stand it. You go to like the Comedy Cellar here in New York, and it's like I try to think of the cleaned up version of these guys routines. And I, I want to cry in my soup. It's like I don't get how we've gotten to this place where everything has to be offensive you can't joke about and you can't make it as a comedian anymore. And even the ones who are paid to to entertain us on a late night television, they don't even want to try to make us laugh.

They just want to go political. I mean, all they want to do is sort of, you know, politics in our face.

I just feel like what we're doing to each other is insane. The people who are supposed to be funny are lecturing us, and the people who are supposed to be laughing are lecturing us.

And the normal people are sitting there saying, am I the crazy one? Maybe maybe I am just offensive in everything I do. No, I don't think that you're the crazy one and there's difference between being vulgar so you can find vulgarity everywhere, you know, you can have Stephen Colbert calling our president president's mouth Putin's cock holster. Right. But where is he making any jokes about Joe Biden, for example? Going back to Justin Trudeau, we did a silly little sketch.

People got really mad at where I was as Justin Trudeau and my Justin Trudeau costume. It's literally just a giant vagina costume. That's all it is that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is a suit and then a vagina, cosmic Canadian flag.

And it's an ongoing case on behalf of all vaginas. I object. Yes, I. Well, listen, I would object as well. I wouldn't want to count him amongst them, but there it is. I didn't have an actor. How else do you portray Justin Trudeau? It's a basic white guy. So like, oh, people announcing a big you know, so we did this fake sketch. I was doing a makeup tutorial. You know, you see these things on on YouTube all the time.

But it was Justin Trudeau and he was applying activated charcoal to his face. And so by the end of it, the makeup tutorials him inadvertently going in full blackface. And people were offended that. Now, listen, there's nothing vulgar about that. And by the way, this is a guy who did blackface like twenty nine. OK, so that is more offensive. Cock Holster is not Amy Schumer. I'm so drunk and I go down. You said that's not offensive, but the stuff but painting Muhammad as Bob Ross in something that should be rated G is more offensive.

And that's why I say it's not dirty. Dirty is not risky. Journey is not a new frontier. There are third rails. And that's what what bothers me. The third rails are opinions that you are not allowed to express. And so people are often surprised where they go. I can't let my kid watch your shows.

I really not. Well, you know, you do some stuff like what was it the that the activated charcoal, the black hole, that's a rough one. You can see that the Bob Ross Muhammad. Now, there are some things that kids shouldn't see, but the truth is it's actually more family friendly, but it offends far more people. Amy Schumer didn't have NBC Universal Vox try to get them a race from the biggest online platform in American history.

That didn't happen with Stephen Colbert because they're trying to they're pretenders. They're pretending as though they're being edgy. And really what they're just doing is they're looking for their audience of trained seals to clap for what's funny. When we go and we do a show, we wait until this year, we do the Halloween spectacular. We do two live shows a year. And often they'll want me to go and speak at a podium and we'll have a writer. And what a smoke machine.

What do you need this for? And a laser light show, because it's an actual like it's it's a it's a comedy show and it's almost a rock show. We like music. We really try and make it fun, have a party on campus, but we don't have someone with an applause line. And so when people watch it live streamed, you can hear what jokes land and what jokes don't. And that's how we know it's funny. And by the way, there are people there from every every ethnicity you can imagine, every walk of life, every age group.

And it's it's a facade. I think that the old way of of doing this kind of programming is dead. And I grew up on David Letterman.

I recently spoke with someone at Bloomberg because I was trying to promote the event in Michigan. It's the only time I've ever done press. And he wrote in the article that like shock jock, like Rush Limbaugh, I specifically told him I said I didn't grow up with Rush Limbaugh because we didn't have him in Canada. I said I grew up idolizing people like David Letterman. And so I always describe my show to people, everyone, to everyone at Fox News.

And they're like, oh, we need a conservative Daily Show. We need a conservative. Daily Show said, no, no, no, we don't. We just need any show that's actually entertaining from someone who happens to be conservative. My show would be most comparable to David Letterman meets like mid era. Howard Stern meets John Stossel.

That's how I would describe it to those grown up. I love John Stossel. His Stossel is one.

He's one of my favorites. So we know him and his wife pretty well. And they live not far from us in New York. And I'll tell you one funny story about Stossel. He after the birth of one of my kids, he came by my desk and gave my assistant again, Abby, all these bottles like pacifiers and stuff. I'm like, oh, that's nice. You know, I came out like this. So she goes, Oh, it's from Stossel, like a suite.

So I see him later. I'm like, Hey, thanks for all the baby stuff. And he's like, Oh yeah, you're welcome. He's like, it's a bunch of stuff they say causes cancer, but we don't think it does. We did a segment and, you know, take care fagots like you were a child.

Like it's a bunch of toys that some people say cause cancer. Even with that, mind you, this gift bag, he just he wasn't even going to tell me.

He wasn't even going to tell me or tell Abby. I didn't know. I was like I was going to give it to all my kids, like, you know, completely unknowingly of the great California.

Forty five warning that was on there on the little sticker we used recently, asking to be on the show a few times and yet we got an answer was for the election stream.

No I wasn't so. Oh good. I tell you. All right.

So that reminds me another thing. You'll go over to their house for dinner. His wife is a brilliant New York City psychiatrist. She's very successful. And the two of them together like a comedy routine because she's very open and honest about his behavior.

And he's like constantly, like, kind of offended. And he'll be sitting at their house for dinner.

And you know how like when somebody comes over for dinner and you're kind of ready for the dinner to end and you kind of try to wind it up politely, not Stossel, you'll be in the middle of the dinner and he'll say, I'm going upstairs and I'm going to bed now because I'm tired. Thank you for being here.

That's it. He's gone. And now my husband Doug and I call it the Stossel, like we got Stossel. My God. Like the night's over. Before you had you had no warning.

But can I say now I love it. It's amazing.

You can just be totally honest, like I'll do it a different way.

I won't really kick the ball out of the house, but I'll say something like, oh, really missed you at the book club. And I'll say, I, I, you know, I would have been there, but I didn't want to.

It's very Larry. Oh, it absolutely is. Yeah, and that's what's most most things most of the time, I'd rather just either be home with my wife or alone. That's it. When people people like if I had this is what people. When I was sitting on on our porch like a small cottage on the lake in Michigan in the summer.

And I was having a cigar and I was reading a book, I said if I were the world's first trillionaire, this is what I'd be doing. And I think that's also what would sort of put me in this position where there's really nothing anyone can. First of people don't have anything on me to hold me to think. No, no. I'll tell you right now, never sexually harassed anyone in my life, never had any kind of extramarital affair.

It doesn't exist. People if you find nude pictures, probably me. When I was on the road, my wife and I like to have a good time. No one has any dirt on me. There's nothing that anyone can offer me that I'll say. Well, they don't need that.

They don't need that. They come after you for your segments on the air. Right. That was when you got refunded. We know about this in media as ad mageddon when YouTube slapped your hand and took away your ability to make money off of your YouTube show by DB, monetizing your show basically said, all right, you can stay on YouTube, you've gotten in trouble, you can stay on YouTube, but you can't have ads to support you to support the show.

And that was in response to just so the viewers understand, the listeners, you had a fight with this guy, Carlos Mesa of Fox, where he said he felt harassed because you had called him some derogatory words for gays. And YouTube at first said we don't see anything problematic. And then they bowed. But he had been he he had been given it to you, had he not? Don't forget Mexican, they listed Mexican as a pejorative that was them that was listed actually in articles like you referred to them as that, quote, gay, Mexican.

OK, so keep in mind, no, it wasn't just this guy who you're mentioning, Carlos Mesa, he happened to host some vox shows, but we've criticized Vox, right. And again, we're picking we're picking a fight with one far bigger than us. Fox, NBC Universal. That's one of the biggest media conglomerates in the world. And we would criticize their videos in some of them. He happened to be the one delivering it. And so there were a series of videos criticizing Vox.

A lot of them involved him because it kind of made him their go to for a while and a lot of them not. And also, we made the same exact kinds of videos criticizing Samantha Bee, Trevor Noah, Stephen Colbert, Jimmy Kimmel. So it's not like it was unique. And people say, oh, there's some ad hominem. Sure. Sure, yeah, but it wasn't targeted, harassing and bullying and so even YouTube, what happened there was even YouTube had to say Susan would just be the CEO and this has never happened before.

I said, well, we looked at the content. And the reason why is because when you look at a 15 minute video and if I happened to toss it aside where I make fun of the presenter, which is what I do, I mean, I think of you and I've teased myself in this show, but that's not the that's not the context of this show. That's not the entirety of the content of the show. YouTube had to say these videos were clearly transformative, where Stephen was criticizing the ideas and presenting sources, you know, against Fox.

And so they said we didn't violate any policies, but they had to appease a social justice leftist mob. And so they just monetized us, which was totally unprecedented.

And I'll tell you one, when that phone call happened, when they called me, it was some people at YouTube. I've never spoken to Susan Risky, but some people at YouTube called. They were reading this prefab statement and it sounded like they were about to say, we're removing your channel. And I, I thought I might be having a heart attack. The room started spinning because I had already spoken with YouTube for a very long time. By the way, news that I was well within the bounds, what was considered allowable content on YouTube.

I've never tried to run afoul of that. That's never been my goal. I just want to know what the rules are. And I thought, oh, now they're going to do this because of the mob. And the room started spinning and I started getting shortness of breath and I had to lay back down. And then they said, So this is why we're doing monetizing you.

Click and I went, Oh. Great, and then I just then I decided to I came here to a meeting with everyone, everyone really scared of Stewart and I'm like 15 people here. We have a full scale production studio. And I told them, hey, listen, is this going to put a dent? Sure. But the bulk of our revenue comes from people who join. My club units are paying subscription service. After that, it would be spotter's and then down the list would be YouTube.

I said, so listen, I might take a haircut, find you guys are fine. No one is out a job. Here's what we're going to do. And I wrote that 60 minute apology video of which just included every offensive thing that I've ever said. And we actually wrote new ones and we released it was I'm sorry for do offensive things to your apology.

Yes, I think I said like I'm sorry for it. My producer, who's biracial, I'm sorry for telling Black that he was not black enough to be black, white enough to be white. The pain that you suffer never truly being accepted in either culture is far worse than any embarrassment I could inflict upon you. I'm sorry, garroted to Harley Davidson writer and I just went in. If you people can find this, it's a 20 minute video of insulting everybody because I didn't go out and I don't hate Carlos Mesa.

You know what? He tried to start a channel after that. And I said, you gotta you got to do something. I said, you know what? Hey, the guy went on his own because he got fired. And I said, I wish him well. You know, the guy's right. Yeah. You're not against him. I know.

Well, it's like, listen, sometimes you cause the number of things that I have been called by by various people.

If I wanted to have them all cancelled, you know, I can't imagine you'd probably be at least two hundred people I'd have fired if I if I had the power. I just don't have any interest in it. It's not to say I like to be insulted or I like some of the names that have come my way.

But I, I remember just even with Trump when he was calling me a bimbo and all this other stuff that was coming out of Breitbart that began with C and all of a spell, those words and people say you have to respond has responded like I'm not going to respond.

I don't want to respond that what other people think of me is none of my business. And I'm not the thought police and I'm not the word police. And I am strong enough to ignore this and move on.

Going on as my sister in law, Diane, again, my my spiritual guru, she always asks, is this something I can completely ignore and go on leading my beautiful life?

And honestly, when somebody's calling, you mean words. I can't think of a situation where the answer to that would be anything other than, yes, I can. Yes, I can ignore that, too.

And I should right now. You know, I will say there's a little bit of and before you jump on me, a little bit of female privilege there and that there's something a little bit different in being a husband. So tell you what, I genuinely don't get offended. I really don't I don't care. People can say whatever they want. People have come up to cut me out. People I had a transgender autistic person in the Letterman jacket, throw a homeless person's lunchbox at me.

And, you know, there's a lot in there. There's a lot in there that actually happened that actually happened.

Can you do it again? Transgender, homeless. And I believe autistic because they had a fidget spinner, a transgender autistic black person in a letterman's jacket, steal a homeless person a hobo's lunchbox and throw it at me and YouTube, demagnetize the video because I laughed at this person. I laughed at this person because this person goes, oh, you know what? You don't know what it's like to be a woman. F you. I just became a woman and I just I laughed like, this is a man with a shaved head and a letterman's jacket and lipstick, and he's throwing a almost man lunchbox that me and my last one was considered hate speech anyway.

So I can just go out if you want. I think I need to get your email. I sent you the video after this. It's called one Transgenders Attack because I was literally attacked by the transgender person. This transgender person stole a homeless person like a pencil case, but it had his his lunch in it and whipped it at me when I was at a table doing changed my mind and me laughing at this person shuffling off in platform heels was considered mocking his or her immutable characteristics, according to you.

Can I tell you something? I think I think most people have a very high threshold for offense. I do. I think the average American is like, yeah, I'm fine. And I think this is one of the reasons why the left loses its mind again by left. I'm unestablished left over there on the far left. I don't mean a normal liberal or progressive. I have lots of friends in that category who don't feel this way. But that's that's why they get upset.

They get so judgmental. The left does. When people don't get offended when Trump says this or he says that, or some Republican is always a Republican, says something that's borderline offensive and most people shrug or they yawn and then they're like, you two are a bunch of bigots.

It's like I just know what's what. My offense is that I wasn't offended enough. I'll work on it. I'm going to get angry. I'm going to get angry. I will work on it. Yeah.

No, I think you're right. And that's why I think the message sort of falls on deaf ears. But to go back to what I was saying about the female president, I said, let me explain this a little bit. For people who are so open to all sexual lifestyles, are very quick to call me effect. Right. Very quick. You just read the YouTube comment section. I don't think anyone has ever been called in the word. I use this word Jew fag.

More than myself, just because I support Israel and apparently the gay insults like, oh, you're quick to weaponize sexuality and by the way, doesn't really insult me because I don't have a problem with anyone being gay. So that doesn't bother me at all. But what did bother me is I almost didn't says because people say it gets under your skin. But I have a great wife who told me, listen, just I understand where you're coming from, but don't worry about me.

You know, we haven't had children. You asked me about that earlier, and I noticed that you paused and I said, hopefully soon, God willing. Well, the truth is, my wife had been trying to have children for a long time. And I can talk about it now because I've talked about this on air. But we found out that my wife had an issue and not like Lena Dunham has every single issue when she claims it. Like my wife actually had to have surgery for scar tissue.

She has to finish it and it'll be treehouses. And she had some issues going on. And when she came out of procedure actually recently, she was paralyzed from the waist down because of reaction to the anesthesia. But what really bothered me and now we're doing IVF and as Christians, we're doing it in a way where we only fertilize the embryo that will be implanted. So before people send their hate mail, it's something we've looked into quite a bit.

But people would spread these. There was a rumor spread that Steven is gay. Look, he's 30. He's married to a beautiful wife, and he won't even give her children and. Until now, where people kind of know because we've talked about IVF and have wanted to to be I've wanted to let our audience in on that and educate them, I never talked about it because it was private. And I'm not going to throw my wife under the bus and say, hey, my boys can swim.

My wife has, you know, whatever it is, the pelvis or whatever the medical terminology is. And it really bothered me because my wife reads the comments. And I say that because I think it's a little bit different as a woman. People insult your husband, you get mad, but you don't want to tear someone's head off in the same way as a protector and a provider.

And it was something that I can't protect her from other than saying don't read it. And my wife said, you know what, I understand, but don't don't worry about me, because I was like, I signed up for this and she did. And that is something that has always bothered me. But I've really learned to to to get past it because my life has said it doesn't matter. So it doesn't matter what someone calls me, I get that they're just doing it to try and get to you.

I understand all of that.

I think my I think my husband, Doug, can relate to your feelings as well. Like he he and even even George W. Bush.

I remember he he was saying it's it's easier for him to be criticized than to hear his dad criticize George H.W. Bush. You know, this is years ago. And I think that's that's how Doug feels. Doug Duncan, take it if you attack him, but he gets upset. He gets upset at the really nasty slings and arrows that come my way. But I would say over time he's gotten used to them. And I'm sure Hillary will she'll she'll feel the same.

Can I just applaud you, though, for that for one second?

Because I appreciate you talking about the infertility issue. I think too many people don't.

And then it really it does make women feel somehow like they failed when they can't get pregnant.

I mean, I I went through this myself and I've actually never talked about it publicly, but I felt like I was a failure because you grow up now. I know you and your wife waited to to have sex until you got married, which I think is awesome. But like, you didn't have this worry about getting getting pregnant prior to wedlock.

You know, I, I, I didn't follow that same path. So I always I was one of those people who was like, oh my God, the first time I have sex, I'm going to be pregnant. I mean, I think that's how most women are like, I'm going to have I'm like the most fertile person on on Earth.

And then when you get to the place in life, you actually want to have the babies you have any sort of trouble with. So many women do, especially because a lot of us, not Hillary, from the sound of it, but a lot of us wait until we're older. We're advanced maternal age.

For me, I was thirty eight. You find that you can't or your or it's a at least an issue and you're like, oh my God.

And you do. I felt like I was failing. Like my body was failing me, like I was failing as a woman.

And then I would go through a number of things where it wasn't me telling myself I had failed.

It was like the feminist crowd. It was like, woman, this stuff like I had three C sections. Well, apparently that doesn't count. You don't really have a baby. If you have it by C section, you has to come out vaginally or it doesn't count. Your kid doesn't count. You're not really a mother.

Like why the hell's every so interested in how my baby's going to come out of my body back off. Same thing with breastfeeding. If you don't breastfeed the kid you know exclusively for all the time you get formula, will you suck as a mother?

Your child's not as good as mine. And your bed is like the shaming that we do. But I think the only way forward is to talk more about it. There's no shame in having endometriosis or an issue that makes it difficult for you to get pregnant. And I just feel like hopefully you guys have a good doctor. But I feel like while this period of, like, trying feels interminable, once you had the baby, it's totally forgotten.

It's completely forgotten, you know, and then and then also completely joyful. Well, I appreciate you. I didn't know that you had spoken about that. I brought it up when I asked my wife. And after a while we had a miscarriage, which I think some people don't understand.

Is devastating to the man as well, we'll say my body, my choice. That's absolutely true. And I understand my wife is dealing with something physically, a physical connection that I never will, never will.

But you understand that I was naming that child. I was wondering if I was going to have my eyes or my wife says I was wondering if it was going to be a boy or a girl. You know, these were things like this is something that affects both people and that's important. It doesn't mean that I experience anything my wife does, but it does mean that we need to acknowledge and experience together and talk about it together so that we can heal from it together.

And I will say, coming from the Christian perspective, I think it's important to tell people, especially young women, like, listen, you don't have a window forever. That is true. And you don't even know if you're going to be able to get pregnant. So that is true. And we also shouldn't be asking, telling women like, oh, why don't you have a baby yet? Because there could be a bunch of reasons as to why they don't.

And it doesn't mean that they're a screeching feminazi who believe in overpopulation and so that both things can be true at the same time. And that's really the only reason I ever spoke about it and felt compelled to be authentic. And of course, I had to make sure that my wife was OK with it just because I think it's something that a lot of people suffer through along.

And they and they don't have to know how self-righteous it, like celebrities like you are not alone. And that happens any time some celebrity, you know, ends up committing suicide with depression. And and so people come out and all of a sudden everyone has depression. That's why I've talked about depression a lot on my show. And I talk about it when there's no story in the news about depression. I say I have no reason to bring this up.

I have nothing to gain. There isn't a Heath Ledger situation, but this is something that I've suffered with and this is something that you can get past. And it's not this idea that, oh, you don't know what it's like. No, I know exactly what it's like. I know exactly what it's like to struggle with depression. And guess what? You can't get over it and you can beat it and you shouldn't let it define you. But a lot of these people on the left to say don't let it die like they say, don't let it define you.

The stutter with Joe Biden is like it is not something that defines you. And then they try to use it to define him, to make it to make him completely impermeable to any sort of insult, like a second job.

You can't use it as a sword and shield. Right. It's like it's not your stutter. It's the fact that you said you met the pope when you didn't have a stutter. It's a fact that you you made up stories about people you've never met. At times, it never occurred in places that don't even exist. Joe. So I bring this up because it's just a small part of me that I've struggled with. I've talked about mental health reform, depression.

And and this is and I just try and be open.

Do you think that that's related to you being so funny? You know, the old joke about the sad clown.

But I do I know a fair amount of comedians and I do think there's a strain of depression and a lot of them. But I think it's it's the flop to a great flip. You know, it's like you get this great ability. I don't know if it's nerves. Like you said, you have it at the top of your show, but there's something in you that makes you quicker and more clever than the average person. Maybe it's a defense mechanism, you know, from your discomfort and maybe part of that's driven by depression or, I don't know, just some sort of struggle.

I don't know when I when I look at you and I look at a lot of the comedians I know who are on, who can be sad or who are we can be a little bit more sad than than the average Joe. I think it's all part of the same thing.

Yeah, I think it is. I think listen, I think people who tend to go into the number one fear is public speaking. I think they're wired a little bit differently. So I don't know. I don't have an answer. So I also know people who are depressed and are wildly unfunny.

So obviously the rule isn't for everybody is you and I don't want to hear from be depressed by yourself. OK, we get it. You have a tie that's been set up.

What did you was what did you do what how do you manage with depression?

Well, listen, being I was at this and I've talked about this before, if not for my face.

And, you know, listen, I know I have a potty mouth sometimes. I'm not a proper example of Christian. If I weren't a Christian, I definitely would probably kill myself.

So that's something understanding when people say like, oh, you're saying that you're only doing it because God is watching. I'm not saying that's why you do everything, but pretty much. Yeah, I think that's I think that's a guardrail.

I think that as someone who has suffered with depression in a big part of depression, is this, you know, this meaninglessness that people and understanding. No, there is meaning. And having seen a rhyme and a reason to my life and knowing that that I can't see what's around the bend and only God does. And listen, there's also medication that enters the equation for me. Really more so is is is speaking with a professional. And what I did find was this wonderful woman who's more of an executive psychologist or someone who works with like high level athletes, someone who works with executives of successful companies.

Because I tell you what, one time I want to do a shrink.

This is a true story. I went in and I said, what are you what are your what are your big problems? And that's why I'm just stressed and kind of tired. What do you think? You're so tired and said? It's just one of those things. I can't make a mistake because I have millions of people watching me. And, you know, there's a security issue in the back of my mind because people want to kill me. And I know that the psychologists thought it was delusional, paranoid delusions.

Thanks. Millions of people are watching them. That's a no no. I have a show. We have a and I'm actually on the ISIS kill list. Don't don't put me in a padded room. So sometimes what we do, Megan, is and I don't mean that this is certainly not an elitist thing, but just our job is very different. I mean, you know, most people who work a job, they have to perform for their boss.

We have to perform for everybody else. And really, the people who would have the most in common with that would probably be bosses themselves, because they have to perform to make sure that all their employees are paid and professional athletes who have to perform for big crowds of people. And there's a reason that it's a different kind of psychotherapy that helps those kinds of people. So, yeah, for me, it's it's been invaluable. And I think it's really helped improve my quality of life.

But, yeah, without without the TrueNorth, without, you know, my my my faith. And when I say that, I mean, I'm a Christian, Jesus Christ, I'm that that's what it is. I know people are not spiritual like people say. I know that I would be a lot worse off.

Well, I appreciate that I can relate to it, too, I, I, I mean, I've definitely had a rough five years of losing track.

There's been a lot of things get crazy when you get well-known, that's for sure. And I have been a religious therapy attender for a long time. In fact, it was we mentioned Stoffels wife, who is a psychiatrist. She's the one who recommended that the therapist to me here in New York. And I was like 10 years ago and I've been seeing the same guy ever since.

And and it's not like he solves your problems. It doesn't solve your problems. It just you just feel better. I've always been an avid journal keeper, and this is a sad truth. I've stopped keeping a journal since I've become well known. I I'm just afraid I'm afraid someone's going to find my journals and use them against me. I just I it's sad. It's a real loss for me. I've been keeping them since I was a little girl.

So that's why with Brett Kavanaugh, who I mean, who keeps a journal forever, that's what's it made perfect sense to me.

I was like, oh my God, Brett. He's my brother from another mother. I do the same. I could also produce but diaries from the time I was 15.

But but the therapist kind of replaces that, you know, like now I can I can just talk to him.

And it's the one relationship you have in your life or like you just get to do all the talking. It can be all about yourself. And the other person needs nothing from you. They're only there to sit.

Well, I guess I, I, I also have that relationship with I also have that relationship with you, Abby, but I have those too.

Well, my therapist is a little different. She does talk back and that's what I like about it. She's very practical, like I went to other therapists. OK, how do you feel? And tell me about your mother being an executive psychologist. She goes right away. She goes, OK, how much are you sleeping? Like, at that point? Maybe like four hours. OK, we need to fix that. She goes, OK, how much time are you taking for rest?

And and she would say, she goes, listen, what I do is very different. Most people who go to psychologists, they need to get off their ass and do something that's just it. And that's most people. So the people who come in here, they need to be coached on how to pull it back a little bit. They need to be coached on balancing their life a little bit. They need to be coached on relaxing a little bit more.

And that's kind of what she specializes in. And if she thinks, if I'm being lazy, don't get me wrong, she'll kick my ass. But she will actually lay out a plan and go, OK, here's what I want you to do. For example, what would happen before the show? I would be doing so many things and I'd be signing signing contracts or what I would have to do, sign that sign merchandise. And then I would have to get off the phone call and sit down and do the show she's going to do.

You are going to take ten minutes before the show. You're going to go alone in your office and put on noise canceling headphones and you're going to breathe. And then when you leave, you're going to take five minutes after the show, five minutes after an hour after two hour show. It's going to be by yourself because what happened is I walk out the door and people are going, hey, we have this request. Hey, we need to get we need to get to this shoot.

Hey, when we're bringing the sand in the Saving Private Ryan parody, hey, we need a permit to go to change one. Hey, here's your bulletproof vest when we're doing this, you know, I mean, but it happens while I'm walking out of the studio and I will say I have a great team of people here now who actually care about my well-being. That hasn't always been the case.

And, you know, we have a big a big mural of Andrew Breitbart, who was really kind of my mentor on the conservative side. I'll tell you what I watched toward the end of his life. I watched people who were beholden to him for their paycheck and they should have told him to slow down. Everyone knew it. And instead they wanted more and more and more because they wanted to be a part of the Breitbart show. And I was he was the first person to RSVP at my wedding.

I never worked for Andrew. He never paid me a dime. But he had some health scares. And I remember looking at people who worked for him going like, why aren't you telling him that he needs to take some time? Why don't you give it? Why aren't you telling him that he needs to slow down? Why aren't you telling him that he needs to focus on his health?

Because the people who work for you listen, you're their meal ticket and they don't do that. Guess what?

I actually do have. That's why I really people say it's like a family. I have people here who do that now. When they work, they go, hey, go home. We have some stuff we can work on without you. You've been doing this for 15 hours or whatever. And so I really have to just say, yeah, my my psychologist is very helpful. I have a fantastic wife, my faith, and I cannot stress the importance enough and how grateful I am for the team of people that I that I have around me, because that has been a big difference maker.

When I was in Fox News, the darkest time of my life was I was at Fox News and I have a little bit of a compulsive personality. Some people become self-destructive. Let me replace it with something productive. So I was in New York City. Fox News, they may be moved to New York. Let's say, up here five times a week, but what else do you do? And I wrote an article for Fox that was basically what I did.

And they had me on retainer so I couldn't exclusivity.

So I started doing Brazilian jujitsu nine times a week. In addition to lifting two or three times, so basically two days, which even professional athlete, it was very stupid.

I turned my joints into a fine powder, but I had nothing to do. I had like, I got to do something. I'm sitting alone in an apartment and I have no friends. Then what happened was I blew my back out at at a twenty four hour fitness. You know how gyms in New York that I'm air exchangers, they get so humid. And what happened as I was just doing a row, my foot went on this grip pad and my foot slipped off and you could actually hear and I fell back and when they tried to bend me up, I actually people talk but I actually blacked out from the pain.

I actually passed out from the pain. So they cut off my clothes and they couldn't get me into a stretcher because it's New York. And I'm sorry, but I hate New York. I had to get out of there with my hair on fire.

I know that a lot of good qualities, but they couldn't even get me into an elevator or down the stairs in a stretcher. So they had to put a stretcher kind of across one of those like care chairs and have me sit on an angle. And the ambulance, they cut off my my pants from my from my ankle all the way up. Guy sticks his thumb up my ass like things like sausages because they're checking to see if your sphincter works right.

To see if your back is basically completely ruptured.

And I couldn't walk. I couldn't walk.

I had a completely herniated a ruptured a disk and I was staring at the ceiling for about eight hours naked. And I didn't have anyone who could who or who was willing to come and help at all, had one friend from the Lower East Side who came and helped me back because I couldn't walk back. And then I had one person who was an intern at Hannity Show who I really liked and no calling my my girlfriend, who is now my wife at the time saying, like, hey, just, you know, she's going to have to help me, like, disrobe and put my pants on.

And that was the moment of realization for me.

That was when I said, OK, I'm not really I don't think I can renew what I'm doing here. I'm going to city that I hate. I have no friends. It's very clear these people, like they sure they want to go to Langan's and have a couple of drinks, but they're not going. I stared at the ceiling for eight hours, unable to move my legs and and had to make some some decisions, some some some real changes.

But think about that when I when I hear you talking about that and about how, you know, it was like jumping off a cliff because you're young, you don't know where your next job is coming from. There's not a lot of outlets for a conservative in media and certainly not in late night comedy lane that you might have otherwise pursued.

So you're there, you're twisting in the wind. You're actually hurting. You're physically hurting, maybe emotionally hurting, too.

And I do think it's one of those stories that that gives people hope. Like, look at you now. I mean, you're you're really you're king of YouTube. I mean, of course, there's always something to keep you humble, you know, like I I did that Tara Reid interview that you so kindly promoted on your show. And I was like, oh, this is so great.

He's got like one point seven million hits. It's awesome. And then I look at my kids and they they follow somebody who jumps into like little baby pools full of full of like plastic balls. And those people have one hundred million views.

So there's always something to keep your ego in check, but you're killing it.

Right. And it landed it landed in a great place for you and your family or your with a wife that you love.

It sounds like you do have friends and good support. Now I can relate to all of that sometimes taking that leap off the cliff. Well, damn scary on the first step.

And during the fall lands a much softer, better place where some guy at Lennox Hill jams his thumb up your ass. The guy didn't even ask. He even warned me. I was like, what? What the hell's going on? And here's this is the part. That's right. Do you realize it was a ten thousand dollar bill? I didn't have any health insurance. I was a Fox News contributor. So you know how that works. Didn't have any health insurance at this point.

I was stupid. One of those kids who chose not to buy health insurance, nothing will happen. But they kept they tried to send me home. OK, OK, you're fine. You're back. Fine. Go home. I go. I can't walk away. I get up and start moving the hospital. But, you know, it's it's I'm prone and they start lifting it and I start screaming, oh, OK. I go over here.

All right, we'll come back.

So they come back on the hour every hour and lift it up one more notch. And I scream every single time because I can't I can't put my back. My friend had to wheel me home. I get a call. Three days later, it's the chairman of the board at Lenox Hill Hospital. Either they misread the MRI or they read the wrong MRI. And I had serious stenosis and had ruptured a disk. And what happened was like a ten thousand something dollar bill and like, oh, oh, you don't have insurance.

It's cash hollum. Oh it's like forty bucks. OK, what.

Yeah, it was like I wrote it off well, because they they really didn't have insurance and they're like, hey, can you pay a couple hundred dollars?

That's for sure. Oh, my God. It's unbelievable that people don't know that because they overcharge. I mean, really, what happened? I had an MRI, had a picture taken, and I simply cut off my clothes and a guy jammed up my ass and I looked at the ceiling for eight hours. Well, meanwhile, you could have gotten that done in Times Square for like five hundred bucks.

You didn't have to pay ten thousand. Believe me, I could have. And I hung out with Jim Norton quite a bit of you, all the hot spots.

I don't think I've ever had a show where we've talked about them up the ass as much as we I think it's not a thing I've discussed except for some woman I used to know.

Well, OK, that's her problem. This is a medical procedure, and this is because they're testing to make sure that your spinal cord has not actually been severed. You know what? You know what? Imagine you go and sit up there and you're nice. You're nice never having had a doctor's thumb up your ass tower. And I hope I never feel assumes facts. Not in evidence. Mr. Male Privilege. Try to go for an annual as a woman every year.

Everything, everything is where it's supposed to be. You know exactly what the drill is. And then suddenly you're like, whoa, whoa.

How you doing?

Yeah, well, I get that same thing every year. Once I hit 40 and my dad's doctor used a kaleidoscope, which almost seems impractical, so.

All right, listen, I do want to I know I have to let you go because you've been so generous with your time. But can I just ask you because I'm dying to just ask you.

All right, good, because I have to ask you about big tech, you're like the number one person I want to ask about big tech. When I saw the thing about Hunter Biden and Facebook and YouTube not not allowing the story to go out when I see Twitter's not YouTube, Facebook and Twitter, when I see Twitter's little warnings all over people's tweets like, are you sure you want to tweet that?

Are you sure you want to tweet this? Don't you want to read the article before you like? Screw you, Jack. What are you're not my daddy. Like, move along, brother.

And it's it's maddening to me as somebody who believes in the First Amendment and doesn't want Twitter making my editorial decisions.

And you, of course, are, you know, the poster child for this after everything that happened at YouTube. And obviously you came back a year later, they allowed the monetization to come back and you've landed more than on your feet. You got millions and millions of fans and viewers. But what do you think?

Because I think people are really worried about this, given the amount of power they have.

And I don't know that government is the solution, but there it seems like we need a solution. Actually, it's actually the way you describe it. Are you sure you want to tweet this? You make Jack Dorsey sound like the modern equivalent of that bent back paperclip woozily you're trying to like? I'm trying to spell rhinovirus.

Did you mean rhinoceros? No. Clippy, get off my word document. That's what he is. He's the new paperclip.

You know what? I think that everything you said is and I will tell you this, Donald Trump has changed my views on some things. I used to be far more libertarian.

And now I understand that there are some things where you do need the government to step in, because there are there are powers that be that are more powerful and especially now that can infringe upon your rights in a more invasive way. Like I said, you know, big tech, they're more powerful when you combine them than really in many ways the American government. Here's my position and I've always maintained this and same thing with YouTube. And I think that's why I'm in a different position than a lot of people who well, first off, I get litigious when I know I'm right.

It's and it's not just, oh, you're censoring. It's aim ready fire. I measure twice and I cut once and I make sure that I'm in the right. So that's the first thing that I have done. That's what my experience I think has been a little bit different. And a lot of other people don't have half a million dollars. They just put into their budget for having lawyers on retainer. I saw it from the very get go.

I said I'm going to have to keep receipts for everything. And a lot of people were careless as it relates to big tech.

Listen, the two 30 protections, this is something we've been talking about for a long time, you can make the rules. And they can ban anyone they want, but when they say, hey, we are an open forum for all ideas and no, no, no, we are not censoring conservatives and we want you to be here, and especially when they take money from conservatives to advertise in their platform, which, by the way, they've done with me directly.

Now we've entered into a business relationship. It's a little bit different.

What I think is the first step, and I've been saying this for years, and it seems like we might be closer to it now, though I don't really know what comes from these hearings. And dear God, I just pray no one ever subpoenas me or summons me because it's not like I have some information exclusively that nobody else out there would. So Crenshaw accrues. If you're listening, please, dear God, don't subpoena me. I think the first step is making them declare, OK, are you a publisher?

Are you a platform? Because if you're a publisher, if you have the ability to censor points of view, for example, if you want to make it your policy that it's hate speech for someone to speak out against eight year olds on puberty blockers, then, OK, you are now a publisher. And you lose your protections of being an open platform and you are liable, in other words, you can't speak for people out there listening who don't understand, like Sprint or Verizon.

These are public utilities. So it's kind of the most apt comparison. They can't censor people. In other words, even if a bunch of neo-Nazis are just talking on the phone or let's say let's say neo-Nazis, because maybe their phones could be tapped and it could be actual terrorists. But let's just say some racists or let's just say like Elon Omar's on the phone talking about how much he hates Jews. Verizon cannot they can't just cut off her service.

They can't do that because this is effectively it's an open platform. They have these same protections, that utility. But The New York Times can say we're not going to publish a piece there, a publisher. So with YouTube or Twitter and Facebook, they've been treated like the town square, like open platforms, which is is. But that protection has to be predicated on this idea that barring actual crimes being committed, they do not touch the comments, the content.

Everyone has an open and level playing field to express their point of view. And we obviously know that that's not the case. We know that that's not what is going on right now, despite what Jack Dorsey tells us was his bird feeder and his beard. And so I just I want them to have to declare it. I think they should be held to one standard or the other. Yeah.

Which they don't want to do, just the audience as they don't want to do that because it exposes them to liability. The Section two thirty prevents them from having liability.

If somebody says something defamatory on their platform because they're not a publisher they can't control, you know, they can't help it. Linamar says on the phone line.

To use your analogy and honestly into to go with that, it would be the same as Sprint listening to two racists, having a conversation, and then suddenly one's words get cut off and the rest of the sentence can no longer be heard by the other guy, because someone at Sprint has deemed your words offensive and not allowed to be on their platform. Everyone knows that would be absurd, that that would never happen. But that's kind of what is happening.

You're right.

I use Illinois more as an exact example. People don't realize she's an anti-Semite, like she's very clear, like she did well, OK, she hates Israel, let's put it that way. She's a slave is a little bit worse. Now, when asked about Hezbollah, there is something in some kind of interview I did a joke about Iland Omar, where she said, oh, Hezbollah.

So she's she's talking like Rafiki and was like a Disney character. And that was, oh, maybe borderline because I'm doing an impression on Omar.

What about the fact that she what about the fact that she was saying she doesn't like basically doesn't like Jews? So in other words, if you're if YouTube is going to allow Ilan Omar to go up there and say that Israel doesn't have the right to exist, but then they decide that even with the search algorithms, if you search Steven Crowder, Ilan Omar, it doesn't show up. They are now effectively acting like a publisher. This happened in your stuff about the gender is dead on.

Do we just talk to Abigail Schreier?

Not long ago and we were looking into this before the interview, they really will censor you if you put anything out there that challenges these notions that are being pushed that maybe we should pause a bit before we allow our our our minor, minor children under the age of 18 to just run off campus and go get themselves some testosterone without telling their parents stuff like that is being censored and stopped in circulation.

Even stuff about Abigail's book or what about the billboard? Right. We saw that is beyond tech. Now, some parents bought a billboard using Go Fund Me Money to to call attention. They said puberty is not a medical condition. In other words, you don't need to treat it when your kid goes to puberty. You don't need to stop it with hormone blockers. And it did pretty well. So then they got to go find me to sort of get some other other billboards up and go me said, no, you can't.

So it's like it keeps spreading where only the speech that they like can be protected.

Everybody else gets censored, actually removed a video of mine. So this was at a town hall in Burlington, Vermont, a town hall, mind you. So it's it's a single party consent state and it's a public town hall. And the worst part about this that it got banned is the guy who was giving this this this advice. It was basically advice on how to get your sex reassignment surgery paid for under Medicare. But this doctor who is telling us, he was telling me, my producer on camera, how to administer puberty blockers to our children and how to actually get it partially subsidized.

His name was, I swear to you, Dr. Rex Butts. Dr. Rex Butts. Just because of that, I'm furious. The video was removed, but it was removed at a public town hall because it was a violation of policy that was removed. We were at a town hall and they were telling us how to get your sex reassignment surgery paid for by Medicaid, Medicare and how to. And they were saying in this video, yeah, you put your kid on puberty blockers, you put them on the hormones.

And then if they decide that they they want to be that they decide they want to be the gender that they were identified with, then you just take them off. They're no worse off. Like, no, no, no, no, no. Actually, 90 percent of kids, actually. Ninety nine percent of kids who think they have gender dysphoria, they grow out of it. That number drops to zero when you give them hormones. What happened to science?

We follow the science. Oh, really? You follow the science on the Home-Made mask that you're fondling, by the way, Joe Biden fondling it like it's like it's the next eight. Roll a rally, you're constantly touching. What's the science that tells me that mask, not a surgical mask, not a mask that's washed in a commercial hospital, ultra hot washing machine, and then replaced and sanitized after every use, namely one scientific study that shows that it works.

But I tell you what I can show your scientific studies that show pumping men full of estrogen causes cancer. That's why. Why do you think people are? Why do you think people are eating organic? For some reason, people, estrogens, they have a problem and they'll they'll pontificate on how they only drink from Nalgene or glass because of BPA in the plastic. And it mimics estrogen in the body when directed when injected directly into an eight year old s cheek.

However, they say, well, we don't know the science yet. Yeah, we do. We do know that altering the hormones of a child going through puberty has irreparable result. We just don't know how damaging it is. And everyone in big tech has agreed that what I've just said is a violation of their policy has to be censored.

That's what happy girls go there. The name of her book is Irreversible Damage for a reason. I find it really scary that this is not being allowed to be circulated and discussed because, I mean, we're sort of talking facetiously in one moment about to raise this on the phone. But by the way, that there is First Amendment protection for that in the United States of America. But this is the other end of the of the extreme of the spectrum where people are talking about weight.

I have real objections to what you're saying because I think it's genuinely harmful to children and those discussions are being silenced by these big tech bosses or even, you know, the publishing industry because they've decided it's wrong.

And that's an example where the scientists are working in tandem with those folks because they have submitted to the mom, to the scientists, know that it's not OK to just affirm a child who the first time is saying, I think I might be a member of the other sex.

That's not OK. You've got to probe. You've got to figure out whether that's real or that's coming from some other need for attention or a passing phase. And they have submitted their on the knee saying, OK, I don't recall the transphobia. I don't want to get pushback from my colleagues in academia or otherwise. So a firm, a firm, a firm, a firm and and damned the consequences. Yeah. And then the Southern Poverty Law Center is this close to putting Johns Hopkins on a hate group watch because they won't perform the surgery, by the way.

They did. They did perform a lot of transitions for a while and they realized that the results weren't any better.

Now, there's a lot of great people on their on their hate group watch lists.

They put Ben Carson on there for a while, then Ben Carson out there. Oh, Mike. Well, he did, didn't his mom by the belt buckle. That was one of those things when he talked about trying to stab his mom. I had to do a double take. And I am and I really could have gone down a different path, get my mother stopped and belt buckle like, holy shit, what did you just say?

Did he just say that he tried to stab his single mother in Detroit and it was stopped by a belt buckle?

This is the same thing I've ever heard. He's killed the guy who has like a penthouse more gaudy than Trump or at least his house in Florida. Have you ever seen it?

No. No. How have you seen it?

Well, it went for sale and it's like a gold plated bathtub surrounded by marble and like, you know, like little naked baby angels.

You're sitting like this is this is clearly a guy who came from an inner city single mother in Detroit. And he now he's a pimp. Like he decided to go all in. And I love it about him. There's so many surprises, Dr. Ben, can I tell you so?

I freaking love him. We did it.

We did a long profile on him when he announced for president back when I was on Fox and that that that poem that he said his mother made them read, she kept it up, I think, in their house. She couldn't read, but she she made them read it and she knew it. It was by Mamie White Miller.

And I actually just pulled it off. It's called yourself to Blame. And it explains everything that made Ben Carson with it with a really tough background he had going on to become the most respected pediatric neurosurgeon in the world.

How he did it, this mindset and this mindset, I love it. I want every kid to read it. I want my kids to read it every day. I want your kids to read it every day when everyone's kids to read it every day. So since we have some time, I'm going to read it. It's very short. It's yourself to blame. If things go bad for you and make you a bit ashamed, often you will find out that you have yourself to blame.

Swiftly. We ran to mischief and then the bad luck came. Why do we fault others? We have ourselves to blame whatever happens to us. Here is what we say. Had it not been for so and so, things wouldn't have gone that way. And if you are short of friends, I'll tell you what to do. Make an examination. You'll find the faults in you. You're the captain of your ship, so agree with the same.

If you travel downward, you have yourself to blame.

Love, love, love your mother with a lot belt buckle because it kind of service money, something the belt buckle, those of you who like World War Two stories like a ricochet from a bullet, often like some piece of like like a clasp because mom was saved by a belt buckle.

That's when people try to say what they did with Condoleezza Rice and Colin Powell. So they're not black when there are black Republicans like, no, no, no, no. Listen, Ben Cardin was raised in inner city Detroit to a single black mom, OK? This guy was not playing for the B team by your standards of black. This guy clearly had the black American experience and they still use the same thing.

Oh, God, did you see that thing the other night? The other it was a it was election night, I think. Yeah. Joy Reid once again. God, she says the most bigoted things. I'm sorry, but she does. She's out there talking about whether we can trust the Supreme Court to decide a legal challenge to the election results the right way. And she says to Rachel Maddow, why would you would you trust Uncle Clarence to decide this legitimately?

Holy shit like Uncle Clarence. It's so racist. But she can get away with it because she's not even black. She's liberal. So they'll allow her to get away with it. You know, I bet you if Clarence Thomas if he could if we had a fair price, it could be like, well, better trust Uncle Clarence than that crazy bitch joyride.

And that's what he should say.

I love what I actually look. That's what turned Andrew Breitbart conservative. I tell everyone here in this office about Andrew Breitbart said, don't know if you know this. He said he tuned into the Clarence Thomas hearings to watch this guy get his comeuppance. And he left saying, oh, my gosh, they're going to crucify this man. It's a modern day lynching. There are still people out there who think that what Anita Hill said checked out. Here's something that's important.

What we do know, obviously, the thing that that that sort of people were, I guess they were appalled by was the eyelash and the cocaine. But the people carrying my Diet Coke, when I heard that, I'm like, oh, I want to party with Clarence Thomas.

That's a guy who made a joke about who is that offended?

How is that sexual harassment?

When you see a short curly hair and someone's boobs, they're like, good, good, OK. That's like a guy would be fun to party.

It wasn't Anita Hill's word against Clarence Thomas. It was Anita Hill's word against every single other woman, including women of color who worked for Clarence Thomas. And, of course, the log books and the evidence, misstatements from Anita Hill's friends with which didn't check out. So that's one of those things that they still, though, now the Democrats, they still just act like Clarence Thomas is guilty. They talk that way. Oh, you know what he's guilty of?

You know what he's guilty of. They're not mad about that. They're mad about him being a black conservative. I mean, that is the ultimate betrayal. That's why people like Candice Elon's get it worse than anybody, you know, Larry Elder, because that's the one thing you're not allowed to do, is be black and a conservative because they consider it a complete betrayal. And you get called the worst things. By the way, if you have not seen Larry Elder's Uncle Tom get it, it's on YouTube right now.

You can download it for the low, low price of, I think, seventeen dollars. No, I'm not getting a piece of this. I just loved it and thought it was really profound. It's like white people like to feel sorry for themselves, are being called racists all the time, which if you're a Republican, undoubtedly you have it. Try being a black conservative. It's like you've got no team, right? Like there's no nobody to back you on these really dicey race discussions.

That's changing. And I refuse to watch that film. Ever since Larry Elder shaved his mustache, I won't support any of his content.

I feel the same about David Axelrod. I have to say, I miss David Axelrod's mustache.

Well, that's more out of disgust because you're like that's that's what's under that thing with Larry Elder. It was just it was a very like it's hard to grow a mustache as good as he had. David Axelrod needs a mustache or there is no lip. It's just a crease.

Can I just take up one little diversion with you for a second? Because I got to ask you, while we're talking about news personalities, especially over at CNN, like Axelrod, forgive me, it's a complete non sequitur. But what did you think of the Jeffrey Toobin thing? OK, so here's the thing, when did Jeffrey Toobin story came out, it was like, oh, there was an accident that happened and someone saw his webcam and I thought, hey, don't fire a guy like I have done hits on news on Sky News and BBC.

Well, what wasn't? I was wearing underwear, but it wasn't any panties underneath my desk. So I thought, well, that's not a big deal till I found out the guy was actually masturbating while live on a Zoome call. And then Slater Salon, the two run together, said, well, let's be let's be honest. He's not Jeffrey Toobin is not the only person who masturbates during business calls. We all do it. You just got caught.

No, no. As a matter of fact, I think it's probably just you just you and Jeffrey Toobin. I do not masturbate on business conference calls, so. Yeah, that's what I thought. It was amazing, though. And CNN Brian Stelter tweeted that out. He tweeted out, You can see our full coverage of this story of of Jeffrey Toobin. And I click the link and it goes to CNN. And it's a bit Jeffrey Toobin is taking a temporary leave of absence due to personal reasons.

And so I said to Brian Stelter, I said, well, I appreciate that you said our full coverage because you're letting us know that CNN's full coverage is not full coverage.

Because here's the thing I thought was the wackiest about that is in his apology. This is what he said. I believed I was not visible on Zoom. I thought no one on the zoom call could see me. I thought I had muted the Zoom video so he knew he was still in the middle of the zoom call.

He didn't think it was off. He thought he had hit mute the recklessness.

This must be a guy who is doing this all day, every day, which also means that he hasn't owned a remote control since nineteen ninety two because he doesn't know what Muite means myself.

You just thought they couldn't see. Well so what did you think the sound was on and not the video. You thought it sounded like you were not playing with Silly Putty. Like what did you think.

And meanwhile they were in the middle at The New Yorker of their election rehearsals and he was playing like the guy.

If they had to go to the courts, you know what's happening, the legal proceedings and something about that was a turn on that he felt he had to whip it out and start pleasuring himself, like, are you kidding me?

There's something wrong with him.

Right? I know. Like and this is like I have a lot of forgive, a lot of grace. If Jeffrey Toobin, for example, just happened to be caught like someone filming. This is a perfect example. I had a friend in high school. And this isn't a story that necessarily, but in Quebec, pornography is on television. So there were something called blueberry and it was like soft between soft porn, hardcore pornography. But it's well known on television, which ironically, government funded that at ten thirty on Friday night.

Then you came on and so it was kind of something all the boys talked about. Well, I had a friend, I won't name them, but there was this other kid who was a compulsive liar. They lived next door to each other. And I'll just call the kids. And I remember C was the other friend.

He said, Hey, guys, I caught D, I saw him in his basement. I could see him through his basement window masturbating to blueberry for like an hour and a half with a loser. Right.

And I said, hey, hey, hey, Kevin. Even if it's embarrassing, what Dustin was doing is natural, you watching him for an hour and a half is not like you're the creep here. It's the same thing with someone. It's just like if someone is videotaping someone and they don't know it and they're walking around naked. If Jeffrey Toobin, like if someone hacked into his computer, I would say, no, absolutely. You don't fire the guy.

Now, the guy was doing a mock election scenario. He thought he needed it and he was going to town on himself like it was his job.

I mean, that's like I've been in election rehearsals. All that does is kill your sex drive. That doesn't fire it up in any way, shape or form.

And for the guy to just try to hit mute before he whipped it out and pleasured himself tells me there's something wrong with him because, of course, I mean, all the women out there know there isn't a woman alive who would who do anything like that.

But I don't I don't want to say that because there isn't a man alive that really there are. Ninety nine percent of men would never do such a thing. So there's something wrong with Jeffrey Toobin.

That's my final word on something wrong with him. I think every every man would do it just as long as if they thought you worked, but my point is stupid. No.

Well, I think I like listening to you on the issue of sex talk. Not to sound too weird, because I think, you know, given the way you you will tackle anything and you're so open and, you know, you just, you know, holds barred. This is one department in which you are more conservative.

You are a man of faith and you say you're more old school in this department. I love that you and your wife waited till marriage. And I'm sure, weirdly, you've gotten a lot of shit for that. Like people, they've actually given you a hard time.

Oh, yeah, yeah, Amy Schumer really laid into me when I was on RedEye about that a long time ago, and then, you know, things times change.

Yeah. You know, the reason I always talked about that tuneless in the article was it's a little bit snippy. Sure. That everyone run into Fox News was one of the most popular articles, I guess, that year and was just about not having sex until you're married. And the reason I wrote about it is, listen, OK, in the realm of actors, I'm like a two like I'm not a great looking guy in the realm of stand up comedians.

I do like I do OK. Like I'm good looking enough that I could have sex if I really tried and my wife could have sex with anyone on the planet just by saying, yes, she's beautiful. So often when Christians go out outside, we waited.

It's like, yeah, I mean, this is the hand you were dealt.

And so I wanted to be very clear and not saying like, we wait.

Now, it was easy because we weren't purity. You know, it was one of the most difficult things that I've ever done in my life. I probably walked around with an erection for three years. We had to raise the furniture. It was very, very difficult.

And I felt strong and it was felt strong convictions. That's what it is. And I want people out there to make who make that decision to not feel like there's anything abnormal about it. Because any time that happens in a show, right, they show up someone who's saying, oh, I'm saving myself for marriage. They're secretly like the cheerleader secretly or they're some kind of like crazy Christian serial killer. I don't know. This is how we did things at one point in this country.

And there's a lot of stuff there are a lot of statistics to say to support that it's the better way to go about sex. And I could just make one argument. Don't be don't have sex before you're married. Don't get sick and die because there are stories out there. There are STDs and you avoid that. But there are also issues where people were seeing now they get hung up with it. You know, there's a connection that they create with people.

When you're when you're training yourself to break up by having sex with everyone you're in a relationship with. I listen from a faith perspective. I know what my gut tells me, that that's not what we're supposed to be doing. And then we now know from a psychological perspective that it can have some negative effects, particularly on teenagers who've been told to just go and have free sex and more so for young women, really more for young women told you're liberated, go and have sex as much as you want.

You know what? I've told my wife this, and she got pretty pissed off when we first got married. She said, Are you saying that if you could have sex with that woman, you would? I said, are you talking about if I'm not a Christian, we're not married and I have no moral compass. She goes, Yeah, if that's gone.

I said, Yes, absolutely. She was and and you wouldn't and then you wouldn't think about it, this know? I could literally have sex with anyone on this. It was like The Bachelor, I think she said on the show, if I were not a Christian, I could have sex with any one of them. I would have no emotional connection and I could go have lunch tomorrow. That's why men can cheat. And it's wrong. We have to we have to curb our own innate sexual desires.

But that's not the same thing. I'm not saying all women. There are obviously exceptions, but generally speaking, women often feel an intimacy.

Yeah, we're not we're not mostly built like that. I know. And I look at this all the time because it's like, yes, of course, men there's thousands of years of evolution behind it. Right. It's like but we're not monkeys, you know, we can filter out our our primal desires and not act on every single one of them, men and women. But I agree with you that that it's a stronger situation for men.

I think they default to it more often than the women do. And then I think a lot of young women mistake physical affection for love. They think it's a connection that's beyond physical. And and they're looking for that. They're looking for a connection beyond physical. But the physical is what they think. It's an easy price to pay, to feel loved, to feel adored, to feel, I don't know, like you matter. And I struggle with that.

I'll tell you, as a mom of I've got three kids, two boys and a girl, and I want I would love it if they'd wait till marriage.

But if they don't want to do that, no problem. No problem. Then as I said, I did not. But I, I don't want them to to feel any shame around sex. You know, like as a Catholic, I'm trying not to because most of the Catholic Church will communicate shame, trying not to communicate shame. I want them like not to put too fine a point on it, but like I'd love for them to wait until it's responsible in their love and they're old enough to handle all of the stuff that comes with it.

But then to be able to go to town without any shame whatsoever and like that is that is a tough needle to thread. You know what, the fact that my parents gave me the sex talk when I was three, I got in trouble in preschool because Miss Henderson was given a whole Storck business. And you know what? The thing was? She hurt her daughter. It was in my class. And so she had to keep the lie alive.

And that's not where babies come from. Let me break it down for you in medical terminology. And that's because my parents never wanted me to think of it shamefully, but they wanted to present it in the context of marriage. And it's funny, when I wrote this article, Amy Schumer was on it. We were on Red-Eye and she said, well, you know, you're writing this, but you actually don't know. You're only in your 20s. Maybe when you're in your 30s, you got to get some really freaky shit.

I said, yeah, and I'll be my wife. We'll be right there would be great. Yeah, I'm very open about it. And sometimes that's one thing where sometimes Christians get upset. They think that I'm to that I'm a little bit too blunt. No. If you have any questions about sex, I'm totally fine answering them. People just understand that when I talk about sex, it it's in the context of marriage. The marriage bed is undefiled.

Now, my issue, not my issue, but what I would say my worry is when you say, like, you know, if they're in love, when you're talking about your daughters, it's really easy for a guy to fake that, to lie to a girl. And so they know the only way to not fake it is like, hey, we actually is is to be married. There's like it's an actual contract. That's what I remember Amy Schumer saying, like, well, what you're saying.

Like what? Because of what? Because, like, marriage is some kind of a contract. And I said, that's that's literally what it is.

But can I say something on this? Let me say let me speak to this because I can say, you know, I my approach to it was always not like he must love me. It was like, you don't deserve me. I'm going to be very sparing with this gift because you don't deserve it. Most of you don't deserve it.

And it's like that's how I always saw it. Like no one's getting there unless they're amazing. And like, it's going to take a while for me to figure out whether they're amazing and worth it. I remember like the Seinfeld episode is a sponge worthy. You know, he got a sponge worthy.

And I think if you have that attitude as opposed to like, I don't know, he's got to love me, that's not really how I looked at it.

It was just like he he has to be worthy. And that kept my numbers relatively low, the fact of which I am proud and disease free. And it's nice because honestly now, like my husband doesn't have to walk around meeting like fifty thousand former friends and colleagues thinking you've been there too, and you as new as well. OK, great. You know, like I just very relieved he doesn't have to live like that.

Right. Well, you know what? And some people give you flak and like, oh look, in closing, she's so special to. Are you worth it? You know what? Listen, first off, you're an attractive I think you know you know that you're prettier that prettier than the average gal. Everyone listening knows that. So shut up and don't act as though Megan Kelly isn't most likely prettier than you listening. Of course she is. I readily admit by many leagues with myself.

But not all women should feel that way. Are you do you really deserve it? Because you know what? Guys give it out anyway. It's like giving out those free t shirts at a business conference that are printed on an old Heinz or Gilden and you throw in the trash anyway.

You want a T-shirt and you take a T-shirt.

It's also why when you're talking about girls who feel this emotional intimacy, you know, there's a double standard and I'm OK and I'm not OK with statutory rape at all of these female teachers and young men at all. Let me be really clear.

But there's a double standard and I understand it, right? I understand there's a double standard because a male person in a position of authority, let's say a girl, is, I don't know, fourteen years old, but he abuses that authority. And often the girl will have sex with someone. They believe there's some kind of an emotional connection. And then they'll actually the man will use it to manipulate a young girl, typically speaking, to do what it is that he wants because she feels like there's a connection.

You don't really see that. That's what's interesting in a lot of these cases with like a teacher having sex with young horrible Oborne. I want to make sure that I'm being very clear about that. But it's not like this. This Home EC teacher has sex with a 14 year old and then the 14 year old does whatever he wants. She doesn't have the emotional, manipulative control over him unless he really wants to have sex like right there, because if the teacher's like, hey, I don't remember, had sex with like, yeah, that was great.

Bye. It's different now.

If I agree with that. I don't know if I agree with that. I think that the grown up does have the emotional, manipulative control no matter the genders they do.

But I'm talking put it this way, same way even in relationships with people who are of equal age boys just still just have sex. It doesn't mean anything, is my point. Yeah, anytime you.

Well, more often than not, that can be true. But there are boys who are emotionally needy. They want a connection and it's actually kind of sweet. One of the things I love to see in Young Love is how, you know, boys who are like on their own and they're tough guys and they're like, whatever. And then they meet a girl and they fall in love with her and then they become super needy and they want to hold her all the time.

And then you see them asleep together on the couch or on a hammock or on the beach.

And it's like, oh, I love that that sort of evolution of young love. But can I ask you, because since you did weight and you managed to do that and you are a good looking guy, so I'm sure you had opportunity. Well, how do you do that? Like, how do I teach my sons to do that? It's it's really it's tough. I think the biggest thing is just avoiding those situations. So when I was on the road doing stand up and like said, when you're on the road doing stand up and you're like Hasbrouck Heights, New Jersey at the hotel bananas or whatever it is, it is like people don't like hearing this.

But when you're on stage and you're in a position of power and you're in a room of a few hundred people and a few hundred people are looking at you, makes it a lot easier if you are trying to find a suitor. But I never had any women up to my hotel room. You know, I followed the Mike Pence rule even with even over there at Fox News, there were only three people who I ever went to meals with by myself, and two of them were substantially older.

And another one was actually was well known that she had worked with someone there. And she was she was engaged. So you just have to avoid those situations in the first place. And then when you're in a relationship, you have to be in a relationship with someone else who is also on the same page. Because I'll tell you what, I had moments of weakness and so did my wife. So there were some times where I was just like, come on.

And then I was like, now? And I'm afterwards and said, well, OK, good. I'm glad that we didn't do that. Let me be really clear about this, too.

I just talked with Brian Cowen. When I say we didn't have my wife, my wife and I did not have sex, we did not have sex, so people think I'm being blunt. I mean, no BJs, there was no there was no oral sex definition of is there might have been there was some heavy petting or some heavy petting. That's it. But I bet there was some Cubans.

There are some Toubon. But I didn't do it with her on the Zelma. That was what I did it alone in the dark and then felt ashamed of myself afterward, not for sex just because it's myself.

There is a little little something like, oh gosh, I couldn't even just because I'm an animal.

But yeah, no, that's I would say avoid those situations and have a good support group and then.

And then. Can I ask because I know you wrote about it, have a good support group and avoid the situations.

But when I know you wrote like when you finally got to the wedding night, it was like, oh, like you knew what to do. And it wasn't like fumbling. And it was all like you guys figured it out, was as great as you thought it was going to be. I'm actually more interested in her than you because I'm sure it was great for you.

But listen, everyone knows you're a woman.

Obviously, the first time is difficult. I don't usually I don't want to speak for her because it would be wrong. But I will say this. It doesn't have to be perfect the first time just so you don't have to be perfect when you get married. That's the reason you marry the woman of your youth, because you learn together you get better together. And what I will say, and I don't think a lot of couples can say is boring.

Like obviously when my wife went through surgeries and Dimitrios, like there things are so dry, there's a dry spell there. Barring these unforeseen incidents or extreme circumstances, our sex life today is better than it was yesterday. And most marriages don't get to say that. So that's something that's pretty good.

We both love well, what we and also as Christians, it's esteem your spouse first. So that's pretty cool as a guy, because basically barring some kind of thing that is actually like seriously demeaning or causes physical harm, if I'm wrong, we don't want to try this. She's like, well, if that makes you happy and same thing of my life. So this is what I would like. I go, well, listen, if that's what makes you happy, Amy Schumer, should we be into some freaky stuff in my thirties?

Confirmed Megan. And I love it.

Can I tell you? I just I will say that is your spouse first works. I mean, that's if I had one piece of marital advice for anybody. Well, it's it's keep the fights clean and the sex dirty. But after that, it's use your most generous lens in looking at your spouse, like interpret everything they do with the most generous lens because that keeps kindness coming from you and then coming back to you. And it affects everything in your marriage in a very positive way, including sex.

Like if you if your partner wants to take risks with you and you're kind of pissed off at him and you're irritated by him, you don't want you don't want to do that and you want to please him. And you're kind of just as a woman, you're like, screw you. You know, like I'm not into it. But if you and he have this generous lens on you love each other and you connected emotionally several times during the day, everything works out a lot better for both parties.

No, you're absolutely right. And the other advice I would give to people is, you know, work on yourself instead of trying to fix your partner. And that, by the way, that also applies to that applies both to your marriage and to sex. Cut your nails, for God's sake. Just work on yourself before you try and tell them what they need to do and also never floss your teeth in front of your partner ever. There are certain things you should not do in front of a person who you want to have sex with you just that there's no reason for them to see you doing that.

No, no reason. Close the door when you go on the potty. Like, just do certain things that like I sometimes I just say, like, I do not want to have that image in my head of the person I have sex with. I just never want to have it in there. So I think you can protect yourself some barriers now.

No, no, no. We're going to unpack this. There's a difference between taking a dump in front of your spouse without the door closed and practicing proper dental hygiene. No, no, there isn't.

How do you how do you, like, want to have sex with somebody who just had, like, food flying out of his mouth from the floss going in between the choppers? It's disgusting.

And it makes a terrible sound like I can't even like I don't like cutting of the toenails. I used to have an office mate. I'm not going to name who it was. It was a man in my professional life.

My husband doesn't do this, but he used to take off his shoe and sock in the office and cut his nails, his toenails in front of me.

There are certain things I don't know if I speak for all women, but I can say I don't want to see my partner do and like you are your man.

So you're always trying to increase your odds of your wife saying yes. And why wouldn't you do these little things, just increase the bills?

Well, I don't know why you're the way you're describing it sounds like you're practicing flossing like a contact sport. So maybe that's another problem.

If that's nice is how do you not contact while you're having floss? You've got to really get in there and your teeth are really smushed together. They makes weird noises and there's food in there. I mean, like the whole goal is to get something that's stuck in there, out of there. And I don't want to see that very same something.

I just do it because I was my dentist gets mad. I go in there. I have been flossing as I go. Sorry, I didn't mean to ruin your whole month. So go back to Gemeinschaft metal knives in my mouth. So that's the only reason I because don't want to be admonished by my dentist man.

They know do they. They they've got an X-ray to your soul as soon as you go in there like. Have you ever been flossing. Yes definitely.

They know the truth. They. Thing you see that evil water cleaner, which is like something from the devil. Have you ever had that one?

Oh, yeah, the water being like, oh, what do you want this thing? We put it in your mouth. Do you want bubble gum flavored or cinnamon like. Oh, do you mean hobo's sphincter or trash bag? I guess I'll go with trash bag. I think we're getting a little loose with the definition calling this bubble gum or cinnamon. If I actually engage my gag reflex.

You screwed up the bubble gum flavor, I'm going to have to leave it at Hubo Sphincter. I feel like that's a good that's a good sort of spike the ball moment. All right.

All right. Well, that works for me. Megan, thank you so much for having me on the show. I really do appreciate it. And, you know, I think this I think this forum works really well for you. I think I think sometimes limited by when you were on television, you're actually a good conversation. You're a good conversation to actually take some interest in people. And I don't think you're even if you do take an interest in people, you can't take that much of an interest in people.

When we talk about Fox News or those kinds of those kinds of scenarios, it's like don't get too attached because you don't really get to dig deep. Yeah, well, no, that's true.

Has been a it's been such a joy of this new format to be able to actually have real conversations and not be constantly getting rapped in your ear. Rap, rap and Canadian Debbie, she when she really wanted me to stop talking, she would give me the red rap, red rap, like, OK, but there is no more red rap.

And I, I am loving it. And I have to say, I want to tell the viewers that we sat down three hours ago and I told Steven it's going to be an hour. And here we are pulling a Joe Rogan three hours later. But you're such an interesting guy. I love your I just love your freewheeling nature. There's nothing you won't talk about. You're very honest and good God, are you funny? You're so funny. I'm going to start watching the show more regularly and not just when I'm on it.

Well, thank you. I appreciate it.

And I think this is going to be I think I'm going to be really interested to watch your journey as you do this completely in the way that you want to do it with no other voices, because that's the Meghan Kelly that I want to see.

Oh, my thanks to Stephen Crowder for that, I do not remember when I have laughed that hard in an interview since the impressions of Justin Trudeau and Ben Carson's mother had me in tears. I hope you enjoyed it, too. And oh, and by the way, if you did go go subscribe to the show. If you haven't subscribed, that's apparently what I need.

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