Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show your home for open, honest and provocative conversations today, reaction and analysis of the final presidential debate before voting day. The candidates, the moderator and the state of the race. We've got Eric Bolling of America this week very excited to have him here. And crystal ball along with Sagarin and Geddie of the Hills Rising. Break it all down. Take what I can tell you, welcome to The Megan Kelly Show. Today, we have a full reaction to last night's presidential debate, the last one before voters head to the polling stations.

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Steve, last night's debate, I thought. Was by far Trump's best debate that I've ever seen him in, he wasn't his fiery as he normally is, and I think some of his viewers, his fans may miss that version of him. But he was on point. He was substantive. He was in control. He seemed presidential. He was respectful. He was sort of that version of Trump that the Republicans who were on the fence about him because of his personality had always wished they could have.

But, you know, have seen too many rare glances up to few rare glances. Yeah. And I think as a result of all of that and the fact that Joe Biden really wasn't much of a player last night, Trump won and handily. Right.

I think, you know, it was pretty telling Van Jones on CNN after the debate described it as Donald Trump's best debate ever as well, although he was doing it in the context of how low the bar was for him. Look, I think that if we're going away talking about Donald Trump after this debate in that it was his best debate, clearly, you know, that is that is significant for the race. Now, will it make a difference?

I guess we'll see. But but I think that there is that sentiment certainly resonated. I would say, you know, today and on last night, you you've been trending on Twitter because of your take on the debate, saying that that Trump won handily. I believe Donald Trump retweeted you as well on that sentiment. Look, I think that this was compared to the first presidential debate, which I guess is the only one that we could compare it to in the cycle.

It was night and day. I mean, it was it felt completely different and certainly significantly better for, you know, really for both candidates, but definitely for clearly clearly, Trump had received information that his performance in the first debate did not win him any fans amongst the groups.

He needs to persuade seniors and suburban moms. And, you know, his core supporters love him and they love him really in any form.

But he needed to make some inroads with those voters. And clearly, he listened. The guy wants to win. Sometimes I've wondered when he tweets out things like when he calls Kamala Harris a monster, I think, does he really want to say that?

Like, why go there? But he does want to win. And he had it together last night. I thought it was funny that I trended just for saying he clearly won. He won. He was in control.

And so people are so they're so blinded by their Trump derangement syndrome, they really can't see him clearly. And they're so shocked when you offer just objective analysis, like, yes, I've had my dustups with Donald Trump. It's not personal. I've got nothing against Trump. I people can't understand it. They're they're offended. I'm not offended by him. They're offended.

I can see when he does well, you know, be A-list actresses like Patricia Arquette and I'm kind with the B grade are directly tweeting to me like, have you have you hurt yourself if you have some sort of a head head problem?

I just have clear eyes on the guy. I can see when he falls down and I can see when he does well. And last night he did well. And I actually think it is going to change his whole trajectory. I actually think his polls are better than they're showing them than they seem. But I guarantee you he did himself favors with those two groups last night.

Yeah, I mean, that that's the point. There's so much clarity to the analysis, right. Like the there's an objectivity to it. I think if people can say this was Donald Trump's best debate ever, but, oh, you know, it's such a it's we're we're talking about, you know, such a low bar. And like, you can't step back and say, if this was his best debate ever, this is clearly going to help him.

There's no ability now with the, you know, hashtag resistance media or even, you know, certainly on Twitter to be able to do that. You know, it's like what were the takeaways from last night's debate? It feels to me like it was Biden checking his watch and it was who built the cages, Joe. And those are both bad for Joe Biden.

So I I don't know. I think it's actually my own view is it's going to be oil amnesty. I mean, it's basically like, yes, I'm closing down the oil industry, which Joe Biden said in a moment where he clearly had just gotten tired and I guess decided to give up the gig like, yeah, I'm going to close down oil. And within 100 days I'm going to I'm going to implement amnesty. But we'll get to that in a minute.

I want to talk more about the process last night, because I thought, you know, Kristen Welker did a fine job. She was from NBC and I thought she did well. I do think I have to say it was it was biased. I mean, I just think the topic selection from these moderators tends to lean left. And if you look at the actual numbers, she corrected Donald Trump all the time. She almost never corrected Joe Biden.

She had thirteen follow ups to Trump, six to Biden. She interrupted Donald Trump forty one times, eight times for Joe Biden. Like, that's the kind of stuff that will drive Republicans nuts. And I felt a little myself just because whenever Trump would get on a roll, she'd jump in. That's how it felt like whenever he started to really let her loose or start hammering Biden on a point, it felt like she stepped in to save Biden.

Having said all that, I still give her a thumbs up. It's hard. Be out there and make sure it's perfectly even, but I understand the claims of bias that some are leveling. Yeah, I'm not sure you're going to get much better about LOBAR with the, you know, any of legacy media outlets like an NBC, CBS, ABC for a moderator at this point when it comes to Donald Trump, four years in, I thought you did a pretty good job as well.

I see exactly what you're saying. But, you know, you compare that to, say, some of the other experiences, like, for example, a 60 minutes of raw footage that we saw. I think that there was it was it was at least approaching fairness in ways that we don't normally see with some of the media interviews that I agree.

And she she was a pro. You know, she was composed. She was in control. She was a pleasure to listen to. You know, it was like contrast that to the town hall that Savannah did with Trump, where she sounded kind of whiny. She sounded kind of like a little teenager at times and was not projecting authority, which I think matters.

I think especially it matters for a female moderator, to be honest. But then I thought overall she did well. And, you know, a couple of things you could work on before the next time, but I hope there is next time for her because I thought as the options go, she was a great one. Let's talk about the 60 Minutes thing, because Trump is going on 60 Minutes this Sunday. And he he decided to tape his own appearance with an iPhone prior to the the show and decided to release the entire thirty seven minute interview with Lesley Stahl, which was fascinating.

I, I couldn't believe, like, I watched it.

And I have to tell you, I couldn't believe how Lesley Stahl conducted herself as a journalist who only sees the end product of Lesley Stahl on 60 Minutes. I thought she was going to be so much more composed. She sounded like a whiny, petulant, unprepared. Like newbie reporter in the tape, I mean, no one take, with all due respect to this woman, was the producers at 60 Minutes are so much better than I thought they were.

Right, because they're the ones responsible for making her look good in the end product.

Exactly. We've got a thirty seven minute interview. That was the raw footage that was dropped on Trump's Facebook page 12, 15 minutes. We'll see the light of day on Sunday night. So, yeah, I think there's a lot of process that goes into the. I think what you said about unprepared was completely my take away as well, because Trump dropped it. It said, oh, look at the bias and hatred of Lesley Stahl. I didn't really necessarily see hatred in it.

What I saw was someone who came in was not really interested in substantive questions and was not certainly prepared to have a substantive exchange back and forth. There were times that Trump was trying to contextualize things like the coronavirus crisis. OK, well, if you look at it this way, all she wanted to say was the numbers are up. She actually said, can you just say the numbers are up? And it's I guess what? That's not an interview tactic.

That's not someone who comes in who has a real handle of of the topics that they're approaching.

I know.

And really what he was trying to say is the the numbers of, you know, we're testing more and therefore, of course, you're going to have higher numbers. That's what he's trying to say. But she just wanted to get her soundbite right and that the exchange she had with him over masks like it was so frustrating to me because she was so whiny about it.

Like, but, you know, why don't you tell the the crowds to wear the masks.

They'll listen to you. You're very powerful. Why don't you tell them the where the Mets and Trump just kept saying some wear the masks, some wear the mask. And you wanted him to say, Leslie, I'm not their daddy.

They understand that masks are supposed to help prevent the virus. People are individuals and they have the ability to make their own decisions. And I am not the mask enforcer in chief.

She was so whiny about.

I was like, oh, my God, you sound like like my toddler used to the whole thing about the how honestly, it just came across like she was looking down on the supporters of Donald Trump also. I mean, she actually got fact checked by Newsweek already as a mostly false statement about what she was going about, how Trump was encouraging his supporters to chant lock her up about Gretchen Whitmer, which is completely not true. That was called out on that.

It's a bad sign when before the interview airs. Media outlets are fact checking you as the interviewer.

So. Yeah, right.

Well, there was there were a couple moments that jumped out to me where he says about Biden, he's in the middle of a scandal right now. And she says, no, he's not.

And I thought, OK, this is so meta, because the reason if he's if Biden's not in the middle of a scandal right now, it's because of reporters like Leslie Stahl who refuse to cover what has broken about Joe and Biden over the past week, the media's complete blackout of the story, which, of course, they never would have done if this had been a Trump story. And so she dismisses it right out of hand as, no, it's a nothing.

And the second point was 60 released a promo clip of their interview where he says, I created prior to covid the greatest economy the country's ever seen. And she says, you know, that's not true. And that's how they phrased it, like there she is correcting Trump and his lies.

And then you see the raw. And it was embarrassing for her. It has him saying it created the greatest economy. Her say, you know, that's not true. Trump then doubles down and says it is true and starts to rattle off a couple of stats.

And then she says, well, I'm not going to fact check you right now. But but she had tried she had tried to fact check him, check him. And when he wouldn't back down, she didn't have her facts. She was unable to do it. And she looked bad. Right.

It was it was a stylistic fact check and not a substantive fact check. It was like, you know, it's not true. Everyone knows, OK, let's move on. Yeah. It's even the Hunter Biden stuff when she goes that can't be verified and he goes, well, why not? And she goes, because it can't be verified. It's like, that's your that's your story. That's you're right. That is that the only thing that you have written down here is I can't be verified.

Right.

It was it was just empty calories. She wanted to sound tough for the 60 Minutes exchange that we're going to see on Sunday, but didn't have her facts. She couldn't actually make the case. Clearly, Leslie Stahl was waiting for the producers of 60 Minutes to give her facts that she could then track in the anchor booth for the final piece. So she would sound like she knew what she was talking about, but it voided the mass come down. When you saw the actual back and forth, it was like a single tier for me because, you know, she's been a strong journalist.

But when you we see what really goes on, it did make me feel good. OK, wait, I have to ask you something. OK, on the subject of there's. There's no scandal, and because we just can't verify any of the laptop contents, you know, this is the Hunter Biden scandal, NPR is under fire today by some some on the right because of a reader or listener of NPR wrote in and said, why aren't you guys covering this?

Like what? Your news organization? Why aren't you covering this?

And they responded online saying because, quote, We don't want to waste our time on stories that are not really stories that are pure distractions. And the assertions here just don't amount to much. Now, this is a this is a tax payer funded news organization that has explicitly said here this is a waste of time. It's not a story, it's a distraction, and it doesn't amount to much. This is the same news organization that covered the Steele dossier about Trump in the alleged tape with glee withdrawal.

They were so excited over it. And I think it's just another example of why people don't trust that the media and are just disgusted by their obvious bias when it comes to covering a Republican versus a Dem.

Yeah, I mean, I think the explanation is so much worse than, you know, it's like this dropping the curtain of the 60 Minutes raw tape. I mean, there's one thing to not cover the story. I will say, David Folkenflik, the media reporter about six days ago, did cover the New York Post coverage of the story. So it's not that they can't touch it, but it's we don't want to waste our time, waste our time or the listener and readers time.

The the implication as as you make clear, is that this is not you know, it's not worth their time. It's beneath us. It's it's beneath you. It's beneath our listenership. It's it's just so revealing. And it really is such a you know, it just backfires on on the media in general and just really clarifies the the way things stand as we you know, we're in twenty twenty right now. Mm hmm.

I know. And David Folkenflik, when he covered it, was basically covering it to say this seems like it smells really bad in The New York Post. Didn't have its sourcing, you know, lined up. It's like how about some actual efforts to report the news?

Right. And I will give Kristen Welker credit for raising the issue. Last night, there was a question whether she was going to raise the Hunter Biden laptop allegations at all. She did. She only spent 30 seconds on it, which, again, if this had been a Trump scandal, you can bet it would have it would look more like 30 minutes, not 30 seconds.

But Trump did his best to keep hammering it. I mean, I will say that it got a fair amount of mentions, at least wasn't really set up for the audience, because I think, you know, my my imaginary viewer Madge in Iowa was like, what? Huh? Especially because it hasn't been covered anywhere.

So people don't all you know, people are living their lives. They're not like watching it the way we are. So anyway, it wasn't really set up well, but Trump did his best to raise it over and over and over.

Yeah. And I know we're going to go more on the I think there's a lot of Googling going on. I know you're going to talk more with that with Eric Bolling shortly. But before we get to Eric, we've got to talk, OK?

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Thank you, my dear. You are so sweet and so generous. As always, OK, so I'm very happy to have you here on this day of all days. What did you think? I thought we saw different last night.

I thought it was like if if that Trump had been at debate number one and if there had been a debate number two with that guy, I think even these polls, which I do think are biased against him, would be would be even higher than than they've been. I think he really did manage to change his trajectory last night.

He did a terrific job. And I'm going to give credit to his debate prep team who realized that the first time they probably let him go. And and that really worked in twenty sixteen because remember, we're all like, how's Trump going to be? And he was he was he wasn't a politician, so he was just kind of a bull in a china shop, so to speak. And America is waiting for something different other than a polished swamp rat politician.

And he was that now he's got four years under his belt and they now realize with what's going on on the streets with with the racial tension going on in the streets, with the pandemic going on, they need a leader. And last night, I think his debate team said, you know, that what worked in twenty sixteen won't work this time. Didn't work the first time in the first second. And they turned him down. And the issues again, who is it?

Because like last night, the team had covid and disbanded. Chris Christie was in the ICU for seven like it.

Who actually prepping him. They still they're still there. It's the same group and it's Christie and Giuliani and Kellyanne Stepien. Their whole picks is their hope is is hope has been there since the day he came down the escalator is she's kind of a not many people pay a lot of attention to her, but she's she's one of those really important people to his to his election and his re-election also.

And she's like is incredibly smart, incredibly beautiful, incredibly poised person who never seeks the spotlight.

That is very rare. Usually that doesn't get maybe a little spotlight would be OK.

But not only does she, she pushes away from it. When she first said, you know, after three years of the Trump campaign and then and Trump, she wanted to go explore some other avenues I really pushed to to bring her on the show, even to bring her to become part of a show she wanted nothing to do in front of him.

She doesn't like Hicks.

I'm like, if I looked like that, I would I would do everything in my power to be on camera as much as possible. But she's she's built differently.

So anyway, he's lucky to have her is the bottom line. So he said last night he's he's, I think, speaking more to the seniors and the soccer moms who he needs to get on board. But what did you think on substance was the biggest all the way from last?

He killed it. I think there were a couple of things.

Number one, Trump did very well in a couple of moments. Number one, when he put Biden in a corner and said, talk to me about fracking, Joe Biden fell apart at that moment. And I think this is this is the the election just turned in favor of President Trump because of what his comment was, his answer to Trump. I mean, the oil forgive me for interrupting you, but this is your business.

This is how you made your money, not the television show. But you just give us a line explaining fracking and why it's important as an electoral matter.

So nine million jobs are in the oil industry in America and in the old oil industry was purely drilling into the ground, pulling oil out of the ground, refining it, put gas in your car. What's evolved over the last 15, 20 years or so? We've moved away from that dirty business, that dirty fuel, if there's a lot of emissions that happened in the whole process. Plus, we're drilling into the ground. Fracking polls, gas out of the ground with one one drill, usually into the ground.

Sometimes it's a couple, but it's a very clean burning fuel. And we've taken a dirty industry and cleaned it up massively with with gas fracking. We're turning gas into power in the form of gasoline in the form of electricity. So fracking has cleaned up the oil industry nine million, but not only nine million jobs in America, nine million very high paying jobs in America. And Joe Biden last night, when pushed into the corner, said, I'm going to eliminate the fossil fuel industry, which includes fracking.

And then Trump very wisely said, Joe, where are you on fracking? And Joe said, I'm not against fracking. So now he's kind of contradicted his own comment with the prior line, but also lied because there's countless opportunities on tape of Joe Biden saying he's against fracking, there will be no more fracking. Last night, Joe said, I'm not against fracking. So you're in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Texas. Some of the other Midwestern states are heavily, heavily reliant on the oil industry and fracking.

You go, wait a minute, this is the next president. He wants to eliminate the industry. I put the food on my table because I'm part of. I think I think he lost. Pennsylvania last night with that comment, and that will be Pennsylvania election, this is what they talk about when they go. And I confess, I don't totally understand fracking. I understand it's it's a means of extracting energy in a new way. But and that is important to a lot of Americans as an industry.

But it was the first I ever heard Joe Biden go so far.

And I thought, is he tired? Why would he? So here's a sound bite of him trumps pressing him on whether he plans to close down the oil industry. So let's just listen.

Would you close down the other way, have a transition from the oil industry? Yes. And, oh, transition happen. That is a big statement because I would stop. Why would you do that? Because the oil industry pollutes significantly. I said here's the deal. But such a big step. Well, if you let me finish the statement, because it has to be replaced by renewable energy.

And then he goes on to say, that's a Trump goes on to say, Ohio, Pennsylvania. Are you listening? Please listen.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And again, swing swing states of of Pennsylvania. I'll see if Trump wins Pennsylvania. It's over. I think the people in Pennsylvania would be looking at here's fracking in a nutshell. Instead of drilling down miles into the into the earth's crust to locate pockets of oil, the physical oil, the slippery stuff, crude oil, we we can drill a lot lower, a lot cheaper, a lot of shallower drills. And there are a lot less invasive to the environment.

And the fuel that comes out is a gas. It's a natural gas rather than an oil. Now, when you when you refine the natural gas into power, it doesn't spew a lot of emissions into the atmosphere. So the more natural gas is a much cleaner, much more clean burning fuel than crude oil. So we're cleaning that and the process is on the way. The problem is the left and Biden want to do this. At one point, Biden said by twenty twenty five, I think he made a mistake.

He meant to say thirty five, but he said twenty five. Whatever it is, they want to do it quickly. America and the world will move towards a cleaner burning fuel, maybe no fault, no fossil fuels whatsoever in time when the economy says it's time to do it, when the markets or report or not there. So if you immediately disrupt that industry, nine million high paying jobs, just the jobs, can you imagine the economic activity surrounding those jobs?

All those people who have those high paying jobs spend money going to movies, going to restaurants, going on on trips, have to buy a lot of goods. But the economic impact to eliminating the oil industry rapidly is a massive, massive risk to the economy, massive risk. And they don't get it. They just don't understand that and that today his campaign is already trying to walk it back, saying, oh, he misspoke. But, you know, he's he was pretty explicit on camera last night about declaring war on oil.

And, you know, his comments on fracking, as you point out, have been well documented. Can I ask you about about immigration? Because he said explicitly within 100 days I'm going to send to the U.S. Congress a pathway to citizenship for over 11 million undocumented citizens. And I mean, I thought Trump was going to start hitting him on amnesty, but instead he kind of came at it from the left. And, you know, why didn't you achieve it when you were vice president?

And I think that if the world were like, what?

But but the but the Biden statement, you know, as a stand alone, that was the farthest left I'd heard him go on amnesty for all the illegal immigrants in the country, undocumented.

But in other words, we need 11 million more Democrat votes is basically saying and you know, those tricks, those packing the court tricks or getting these states, that is for D.C. or Puerto Rico, those who aren't. And also allowing amnesty for illegals, 11 million illegals, a pathway to citizenship which gives them a vote. These are all ways and that the left is trying to to stack the deck for future elections. And frankly, if any one of those were to happen, this would probably be the last.

If Biden wins and does this, you probably never see another Republican president and certainly in our lifetimes and maybe ever, because then it's such a fight. Look what happened in twenty sixteen. President Trump won the Electoral College, but he lost the popular vote by three million votes. That means three million more people voted for Hillary Clinton than if you had 11 million undocumented or illegals would become citizens or states in Puerto Rico or D.C. Those were highly, highly dense Democrat populations.

It's almost a foregone conclusion that you'll have a Democrat president going for you probably will have all three branches, Democrats going for Senate, House and president now.

So what let me ask you quickly about the covid response, because Joe Biden came out and I thought, you know, forcefully and seriously said Trump is responsible for the two hundred and twenty thousand people who have died in this country. It was a somber moment. That's the word I'm looking for, was a somber, serious accusation. And I my response to it was, I understand what he's saying because the Democrats. To blame covid and all the fatalities on Trump.

I have yet to hear them really explain, like what exactly Trump didn't do, you know, because it's a virus. It's it's Trump's got a lot of powers. But preventing the virus from coming into the United States, sadly, is not among them now. Yes. Could he have been more straightforward with us? Yes, clearly, because he admitted that to Woodward that he wasn't telling it to a straight when he knew how bad it was. But I just I did wonder whether the average American sitting at home is actually going to blame Trump for that.

And his response last night was, I do take responsibility, but it's not my fault.

It's China's fault. What did you make of him?

Well, I. I think I think Trump misses the mark on some of the stuff. In fact, I had a town hall with him on Tuesday of this week, and I gave him that opportunity. I said, if you had a mulligan, if you had to do over one thing, anything, surround your covid response, what would it be? And his answer was not much. And I think there's an opportunity to say, you know what, I, I it's not my fault.

I can't there's no way I could have stopped China from spreading a virus. We tried to stop them. I did everything in my power. But I could have taken it more seriously. I could have looked at some of the things that the doctors were telling me. And and maybe but the problem is, she doesn't like to do that. President Trump doesn't like to admit to doing anything wrong, ever. Some people find that charming. Some people say he needs to show a little bit of empathy.

So I think there's a better answer to that. Look, we've got 12 days left, so I doubt that that's going to change very much. This is the answer. But he does. He does. He did have the opportunity, especially after he got covid himself say, look, I kicked my butt. You know, I didn't I didn't think I thought it was kind of like the flu. And it's not the flu. It's worse. It's it's it's a real problem here.

And I didn't see it not going forward. I'll take this a lot more seriously. And and let's move on.

Social lives.

It's tough for him to know because his adversaries and frankly, you know, the sort of far left in general, they're constantly demanding that not only he, but most Republicans apologize on any day ending in Y for everything. So it's like, is this is this another attempt just to get him to kneel at the altar of weakness and leftist leftism? Or is this a legitimate thing he needs to apologize for? And I think Trump has just instincts are not to do it.

OK, let's talk about Hunter Biden, the media story or the story that's been completely blocked out by the media. It's starting to get a little bit more traction. Fox News is on it now. The Journal's on it now more. And the reporting is just getting a little bit wider.

What we learned yesterday is there's two things just for the audience. He's Hunter Biden is Joe Biden's son. He was basically grafting off of his dad's name by getting paid fifty thousand bucks a month by this Ukrainian gas company, or Isma, even though the guy had no gas expertise whatsoever. And now we find out he was trying to strike some deal in China that would have given him millions of bucks potentially. And there was a reference in some of his emails to, hey, you know, maybe maybe I'll I'll save 10 percent back from what you pay me for, quote, the big guy and now a partner in that attempted venture in China has come out.

The guy's name is Tony Bob Linskey. He's come out and said that did mean 10 percent for Joe Biden. And Joe Biden's not telling the truth when he says he never dealt with his son Hunter on these foreign deals, which is something the campaign continues to maintain.

And these guys are not being up front about their attempts to use the Biden family name to earn money, spread influence. And it's stuff we need to know if this guy is going to be the next president of the United States. And before I get you to react, let me just play the soundbite, because Trump brought Tony Alinsky to the debate last night. This is a guy who served as a lieutenant in the Navy, had a high security clearance, comes out and says, I'm not political.

I've only made a few donations in my life if I have all been Democrats. This is about yeah, I like Democrats, but what they're saying about Joe Biden not having anything to do with any of his dealings isn't true here.

Listen, I've heard Joe Biden say that he's never discussed business with Hunter. That is false. I have firsthand knowledge about this because I directly dealt with the Biden family, including Joe Biden. I have also heard the vice president Biden said on Tuesday that Senator Ron Johnson, the chair of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, should be ashamed for suggesting the Biden family sought to profit from their name. Well, here are the facts I know. And everything I'm saying is corroborated by emails, WhatsApp chats, agreements, documents and other evidence, and the American people can judge for themselves.

So that's, you know, somebody who is in on that proposed China deal directly saying this was a family operation, Joe knew about it. And I mean, my question to you, Eric, is, is that going to be enough to get the media to show some interest in figuring out what happened between the Bidens and Barack Obama and the Bidens and this Chinese energy company?

Probably not, because the media is in. No, I want to say in the media leans left hard. And as we know, we've been around this long enough. So it's just atrocious. Crazy, in fact, that that this is a story. Look, it's not about Hunter Biden, but he has his demons. God knows I'm no one to call out anyone with a son with things going on. But it is about how he tied the vice president to all these deals.

He clearly made a ton of money because he was son of the vice president. And there's enough times you don't have to to tie them together any more than they're already there. But that that Joe Biden, number one, the problem is denying it. And that's not even a real big problem because there's enough plausible deniability in it, because there is no actual email or conversation of Joe Biden with anyone at present. So he can go ahead and say, look, go ahead, go forward, check it out.

I did nothing wrong. But the problem is the media is covering for Biden. They won't let that investigation happen. They won't let the American people decide if they still want to vote for the guy. Given what is going on, my guess is it didn't it wouldn't have changed, what, two or three percent of the vote or less, I don't think. But the fact that the media covered up is is problematic and may actually get more Republicans to come out and vote because the media was covering.

But the other question that the sixty four thousand, the big question, the elephant in the room is where the hell is the FBI been on this? They've had this information for a year. They had the FBI, Christopher Wray has have been sitting on this information even prior to the Democrats impeaching President Trump for exactly this for the Ukrainians by the audience, what you're talking about. So just quickly, what happened was there's this guy who runs a computer repair shop in Delaware who says Hunter Biden dropped off his laptop a long time ago and that he never came to reclaim it.

And the guy finally took a look at it under his policies. It becomes the store on his laptop after 90 days. And he took a look at it. It's got all these correspondence on it with Hunter and the Ukrainians and the and the Chinese. And it references the vice president. And it's got a lot of other very deeply troubling things with Hunter on camera as a personal matter. And he contacts the FBI and they get they got the laptop in December of nineteen.

So that's you. That's your point. Like we're almost a year later. The only reason we know about it is because the guy, after several months, got kind of scared and said, I don't know what's going to happen here, what's going to happen to me.

And he contacted Rudy, Rudy Giuliani's attorney, because he just said this. This is somebody who will get it out. So I I'm protected.

It's just it's it's crazy, you know, spy show kind of stuff, but doesn't mean it's not true. And just it's just by way of one example and the media one of the allegations is that that we gleaned from these laptop emails from Hunter is that he introduced Charisma's number three guy to the then sitting Vice President, Joe Biden, that they met, and that within a year of that meeting, Joe Biden made sure the Ukrainians fired the prosecutor who was looking into Purisma for possible corruption.

That's the allegation. Then we get the Biden campaign on Fox News Sunday. They say it's not true. There was never such a meeting. It never happened.

Then in a follow up statement, I guess Politico, which actually did, to its credit, inquire, they get them to say, well, maybe there was an informal interaction, like if the media would just dig if we could get to the bottom of this.

I would like to know if Joe Biden met with the number three Berezan, the guy a year before he made sure Purisma didn't get prosecuted. You know, like that is relevant. That's relevant to corruption pay to play the way Washington Dirty Politics work. We're not going to get it.

So we got two weeks ago, all likely, but not not necessarily enough to to indict. But but the point is the media covered up for this whole thing. And more importantly, people were saying deep state, that the FBI people within the administration, the intel community hated Trump, was trying to get him out. If the FBI had this information prior to the impeachment on Russia and they could have opened that up, they could have given that to the Senate Judiciary Committee and let them know about that.

And likely none of this would have happened. We would have saved the taxpayer. Fifty million dollars, the Trump family, a lot of heartache. And we could have moved on, maybe even giving the media an opportunity to vet Joe Biden's role in Verismo in Hunter Biden's massive. Amount of liquidity on our liquidity is all about if if Joe Biden wins this race and I know he said that he won't be involving his son Hunter in any you know, anything that better be true.

Hunter Biden can't be anywhere near the White House, anywhere near it. This guy is going to be a shady business dealings in his past that that that would absolutely have to be assured. OK, let me ask you about the polls before I let you go, because I keep looking at them. I only look at the swing state polls.

The national polls are meaningless. And what I see is in states like Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Ohio, Hillary Clinton at this point in 16 was up more than Joe Biden is right now.

And so that just is a constant Asterix in my mind. To be careful before you declare Trump done based on what's usually the sweeping national lead that he holds in these national polls.

But realistically, Erick, understanding you want Trump to win, realistically, what's your take on the state of the race?

So and again, it's the same thing in 2016. Here's what happens is you walk around, people whispered to me because they know I'm a Trump, I prefer President Trump than Hillary and I prefer President Trump. And they'll say, know I'm going to vote for Trump, I'm going to vote for President Trump. The whisper in my ear, like, OK, we'll say it. So the media has created this and the left has created this world where if you say you like Trump, you're a xenophobe, you're a racist, you're a sexist.

You like the people who do bad things to women. And so it's almost an embarrassment to say it in public. So what do you think happens when you someone that you don't know who's calling CNN poll or FOX or whoever it may say, who are you going to vote for? Who will be the decline that they're going to say Joe Biden instead of saying, I'm going to vote for probably going to vote for Donald Trump? Same thing happened in twenty sixteen.

They made it so embarrassing to say you're pro Trump. No one wanted to admit it. And so the polls are always going to skew that way. Besides the fact of the methodology of polling, which means how many Democrats you polled versus Republicans, it's always skewed to the Democrats. Besides that, that's that's something we know a little bit. It's that that other secret factor that no one really talks about. Now, I'll never forget being at Fox in twenty sixteen and doing daily daily, doing the the path to 270 electoral votes to become president with the brain room outside of my office every single day telling me he's got no path and me telling him, oh yes, he does.

I'll never forget those days. It feels the same to me right now. Feels like you're going to see I don't think it's going to be a landslide, but I think President Trump prevails in 12 days.

What's your what percentage chance would you put it at 50, 50, 60 40? What what would you tell when you got covered?

I would have said it was probably 60 40 against because I think that was a surprise, a shock, that October surprise. But I think now in the fact it bounced back so, so rapidly, some of the things that are there come out that have come out in the last couple of weeks, I would say 60 40 in his favor. Before I let you go, how are you? I miss you, I miss you too. And I will just I'm going I'm going to leave your wonderful audience with you on this note that my wife and I have clearly had the worst part heartache, tragedy of any human being in humanity could experience.

And and Meghan Kelly, you guys, Meghan Kelly was there talking to me, holding me up and propping my wife and I open from day one, from day one through now. And I'll never forget that. Meghan, I so appreciate you, Eric.

I mean, the fact that you mentioned me talking about the death of your son, which was so wrong and so sad, I will say watching the way you guys handled that stay together, stayed strong is I have chills just thinking about it was an example in strength, grace under fire, just refusing to stay, lied at lying down, which Eric Chase would never have wanted for you. Never have wanted for you to just give up, throw in the towel and, you know, sit on your couch for the next 40 years.

I, I know I can say first hand that you are a beautiful man and you are an amazing dad. And I'm sure he's looking at you from above with all the work you're doing on the town halls, on the opioid crisis and thinking, I'm proud. It's every day, it's a it's a it's a struggle, it's a it's an accomplishment to make it through. And it's friends like you who absolutely are the reason I'm able to do that.

Thank you. Thank you.

To be continued, I hope to speak to you again. Absolutely. In one minute, we're going to be joined by Crystal Ball and Sagarin, Geddie of the Hills Rising, which is a great show. It's very fair. If you can check it out, you should. But first, before we get to that, I want to tell you about Palm Industries. Palm stands for Peace of Mind, and this is about self-protection. They offer the next generation of pepper spray that is there for you when you need it.

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You know what's happening in our country. You can't say that. You can't think that. You can't be that. Oh, wait, this is America.

That's how I respond. There's a gal named Catherine Lour and she's at University of Kansas. You know how it is. You go off to college, you join a sorority, you want to make friends. It's a good way of sort of short forming all the I don't know, all the effort it takes to to find a posse. Well, poor Catherine might might have wanted to keep looking. She has been placed on probation by the Kappa Alpha Theta sorority.

They're for showing unbecoming values. What did she do? Did she punch somebody out in a fight? Did she bully somebody? No, she likes Trump, apparently. Maybe. I don't know. She has posted something critical of Black Lives Matter, and that repeated something Candice to so said. So she's in trouble. In fact, she has been placed on probation. OK, so what did she post? No one. She posted some pro-life thoughts, which apparently is not OK for Kappa Alpha Theta.

They think that's hurtful, I guess. And they didn't like her post on Black Lives Matter. What she she retweeted a Candace Selwyn's post saying, and I quote, Black Lives Matter is an organization of white men using the faces of dead black people to raise millions of dollars toward electing white Democrats into positions of power. She also added, Owens did that. It's the most flagrantly racist organization in America. Now, there's no question Candice Owens presses buttons and is controversial, but that's her opinion.

And it may indeed be the opinion of Catherine Lauer. We don't know. All we know is she reposted it. That's apparently not OK. She's been told she must take a social media posting holiday, do a personal reflection and cleanse.

What does that even mean?

You know, like I know about, like the cayenne pepper drink. You have to drink when you want to lose ten pounds. What happens when you want to lose your affinity for Candice? I don't know what that cleanse looks like, but I find that offensive that they're trying to cleanse her mind of thoughts they find obnoxious. She also had to watch a video selected by the Sororities Diversity, Equity and Inclusion Committee because, you know, they're all about diversity and inclusion, unless it's a diversity of thought.

And they want her to have a dialogue with the sororities CEO about getting a broader education of America today because she was, quote, hurtful.

So Lauer tried to appeal. She failed. They told her no. She actually says she she supports the idea behind Black Lives Matter, but she doesn't agree with where its money is going. And when asked whether she has any knowledge of others in the sorority being punished for their social media post, guess what?

No, she hasn't heard of anybody being punished. Despite many postings that are very aggressive in terms of taking down Trump, they're aggressively anti Trump. To me, this is so upsetting because diversity of opinion is what makes this country great, even if you're offended by the opinions you hear. That's what makes America special. You're allowed to say offensive things. And the answer, if you don't like somebody saying something, if you find their speech offensive, is not less speech, it's more speech.

There's an old George Orwell quote that that that reads, If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.

That people is how you grow up hearing other people express divergent viewpoints from your own. Maybe you'll try to convince them. Maybe you won't. But it's always good to have your own thought processes tested. So Cappa, I think you're on the wrong page here. I don't think Catherine did anything wrong. And I think if you want to get any Republicans in your sorority and maybe you don't, you need to rethink your own policies. Catherine, if if they don't if they're not open to your viewpoints, you should move right along and just find friends on the quad.

OK, now I want to bring in our guests Crystal Ball and Saagar and Getti co-host, Rising on the Hill. Dotcom, their show's getting millions and millions of views and it's well worth your time.

Guys, thank you so much for being here.

Thanks for having us. Meghan, great, as always, to talk to you. Good to be back, Megan. All right.

So let's get overall thoughts on last night. Krista, let me start with you, because we just did a long segment with Eric Bolling, who is a conservative.

You are not. What was your what was your takeaway? So if we're giving awards for most improved, Trump definitely won the night, I think this was the type of debate where, look, the energy from the president was radically different from debate one. It was in a lot of ways a very effective performance. And I think, frankly, if he had this kind of tone and affect more often on the campaign trail, he'd be in a much better position right now.

But if you look at the reaction after the debate, basically people who like Joe Biden thought Joe Biden won. People who like Trump thought that Trump won. And with Joe up in the polls, that's a fantastic result for him ultimately. So even though I think very little changes coming out of this debate, we can talk about some more of the specifics. But even though I think very little changes, that is actually a very consequential event because this was one of the last opportunities for President Trump to really change the game here.

And he's significantly down and continues to be.

I think I like your you're the most improved. It is making me think of the beauty contest Trump used to organize and run. Who who would get Mr. Congeniality?

None of the above, maybe.

No, no one. No one on that stage last night. No, let's not even go to the swimsuit competition. OK, Saagar, what did you think was your overall impression of what we saw last night?

I thought I basically agree. I actually thought it was the best performance that President Trump has had in any of his major presidential debates, including with Hillary Clinton. But I also thought it was Joe Biden's, frankly, best debate performance of twenty twenty. I mean, he had horrible debates in the in the early primary campaign, even against Bernie Sanders. He did OK, but he was a bit shaky. This one. I mean, near the end, he was beginning to fade, but he got across what he needed to get across.

And so when you're 10 points down, like Trump currently is in the state of the national polls and with larger margins of error or with larger margins in the swing states, places like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, you need to return to some of the things that got you that win. And I didn't see enough of that on a policy level and on the critique of Biden that I think he needed to do to really drive this thing home with only like 12 days left until the election.

Crystal, why do you think he was talking about his the amnesty he wants to offer? 11 million undocumented immigrants are going to be made citizens within the hundred days. And then he was talking about how he's going to basically gut oil and really made some statements that could hurt him with some of those swing state voters. Why did he do that?

You know, the undocumented immigrant thing was was interesting because he was very specific there in a way that he is often loathe to be. Now, I will say the polling on comprehensive immigration reform is fairly popular, and this is a position that Democrats have long held. But what I actually read into that magazine is one of the groups, the group that Joe Biden has underperformed with the most is Latinos versus Hillary Clinton's performance back in twenty sixteen. Now, if you actually ask Latinos what their top issue is, it's not immigration.

It's like everybody else. It's coronavirus and it's jobs and the economy and wages. And, yes, immigration comes in there as well. But I think he had some consultant in his ear telling him, basically, you need to make this explicit pledge to the Latino community to try to drive up your numbers there. So that was what I made of that. You know, on the oil comment, there's no place like Texas that's going to get replayed.

Obviously, the Trump campaign trying to make a lot of it is in artful in his expression, but it also is consistent with his position, which is that he wants to transition away from fossil fuels over time. Not that this is going to happen in any one particular day.

Now, what we've been asking you guys for your moment of the night, when you've come on after the last couple of town halls or debates, Saga, what was your moment of the night?

My moment of the night remains this on this Hunter Biden story. It's just I'm agog that the moderator and the media and everybody else is just letting Biden get away with these outright lies. I mean, what he said last night is that Hunter Biden never made any money in China. I mean, that is just false, according to Hunter Biden himself. And it's just unbelievable that there is no follow up from the moderators themselves. There's no actual reportage in so many of the mainstream outlets.

I just can't believe that the pace is not at least being examined properly by people without me. And I've got to say, President Trump did not handle it. I think the way that he should have he should have pressed him not just on the on the money that he was receiving, but also on whether he met with this hunter business associate or not, because that's a direct that's a direct and total turnabout for Biden, if it is true. Well, we have a little clip on on one of the last exchanges they had of the night.

That touches on that a bit. Let's listen, Joe.

They're calling you a corrupt politician. Nobody. President Trump, I want to say on the issue of race, we're talking about leadership from hell. President Trump talking about race right now. And I do want to stay on the issue of race. President Obama did respond to that. Please look, there are 50 former national intelligence folks who said that what this he's accusing me of is a Russian plan. They have said that this is has all the care for five former head of the CIA.

Both parties say what he's saying is a bunch of garbage. Nobody believes that except his and his son.

So what what did you make of that? It's just amazing, right? I mean, 50 former national intelligence officials. Oh, by the way, many of whom have endorsed Biden say that it has the earmarks of Russian disinformation. Well, the director of national intelligence says it's not true. And I don't always trust the intelligence community, but I do trust them to leak something. If the director says something that isn't true and there hasn't been a single leak and not a shred of evidence, nothing to say that this is Russian disinformation.

So this is just a clear example. The media pushes this fake Russian disinformation narrative. Biden uses it as an excuse and he's just outright lying. I mean, Hunter Biden has said he would not have had any of these deals if he was not if his last name was not Biden. He admits to holding 10 percent of a Chinese private equity fund which was funded by the Chinese government. These are again, these are outright facts and he just denies and lies about them.

It's amazing that it's been fun. I was just mentioning earlier that, you know, originally his position on the meeting with a number three guy at Prisma that that the Hunter emails suggest did take place was the schedule doesn't show that which we all pointed out, Wolf, that doesn't answer the question. Like, my schedule doesn't show. I'm having this conversation with you two right now, but I am.

And then and then the campaign told Fox News Sunday there was no meeting.

But then the next statement to Politico was, well, they might have been an informal gathering, like, can we just get a straight like could somebody show some interest so that we could get a straight answer from the campaign on whether the sitting vice president met with a number three executive of this corrupt organization that wound up, you know, pleading to the US to have the prosecutor pulled off their back, which Joe Biden did a year later.

Crystal, your thoughts?

Yeah, I think that's all highly relevant. And look, no one's saying here that the president hasn't been corrupt. We cover corruption from all sides on our show and make sure to do that. But part of the issue here is to that the Biden campaign won't answer whether the emails are real. They want to throw out all this. Oh, it's Russian disinformation. And I. Hate the Russian crap, they use it as an excuse for absolutely everything because they don't want to deal with the underlying issue.

Look, the Trump campaign is very excited about this stuff. They thought this would be a game changer. They've clearly seized on it. I don't think that this is going to change anyone's votes when we're in the middle of a pandemic and with the economic situation as it is. So this is no longer really an electoral issue. But if we are going to have a president, Joe Biden, the American people deserve to know what are those relationships going to look like?

What are those business relationships going to look like? Can they have confidence that he's not going to have a swirl of people around him who are profiting off of his name and off of the presidency? Look, I don't think that what we've seen from Hunter has been illegal, but that does not make it right and it doesn't make it something that the American people want to accept.

Ultimately, I'm gonna start using that whenever I get in trouble for anything I said. That's Russian disinformation.

I'm just going to keep slapping that against the board, see if it sticks, you know, but you're right, because the one thing we didn't hear from Joe Biden last night, which would have been so simple and would have answered so much, is for him to just say there is no laptop that belongs to Hunter Biden. My son did not drop off a laptop, a laptop with this repairman in Delaware who we've never met, never heard of those emails are not real.

That would have gone so far.

And people are smart enough to realize there's a reason he didn't say that because it isn't true. We all know it. It was it was hunters. It was his signature. The the guy has no reason to lie. And the campaign would have long denied it before this point if if they had the basis to do so. I have to ask you, Crystal, your moment of the night.

So there was a moment that to me was very revealing in terms of the difference in how Trump is running this time versus how he ran back in twenty sixteen in twenty sixteen on a lot of issues. He wasn't in line with the Republican orthodoxy, especially on economics. So he bucked conventional wisdom, bucked the Republican line in particular on things like the minimum wage. So the minimum wage, the federal minimum wage came up last night and he was arguing against it, which polar opposite again of his position in twenty sixteen when I thought was pretty remarkable.

That thought hold that thought because I want to get your reaction to what he said, but let's listen to what he said first.

Businesses as well as the schools need the help. But this because these guys will not help them, is not giving them any of the money.

We are going to move on to immigration. But I want to say we are small businesses by raising the minimum wage. That's not helping. But I think it should be a state option. Alabama is different than New York. New York is different from Vermont. Every state is different. It should be a state abuse of very, very important.

That sounds like a standard issue. Mitt Romney type political rhetoric. It could have come out of the mouths of Paul Ryan. And look, you can agree or disagree with that, but it's polar opposite of how we ran back in twenty sixteen. And look, on the merits, if you ask American citizens, increasing the minimum wage is wildly popular at this point and minimum wage increases have even passed in deeply red states. That's how popular it is. So I thought it was just a glimpse into how different, how much he's adopted the Republican orthodoxy on economics in particular in a way that has ultimately damaged him in his presidency and in his reelect the minimum wage thing.

I mean, I confess I haven't spent that much time studying it, but I do know that when it gets mandated, like here in New York City, they mandated it for restaurant owners, I think, last year, and then a bunch of restaurant employees started to get fired.

And, you know, the small business owners were like, yeah, that's kind of how it works.

We only have a certain amount of revenue coming in. And then I remember there was a push to you could only fire the restaurant owner or the restaurant workers for cause, which is not really how life works.

You know, all these all these at will employees can always be fired for any reason at all. So those those laws can be problematic for even the people they are. They mean to help. But I see your point because Trump's always been more of a populist. Right.

And there was a big know in Seattle, they were the first ones to move forward, I think, around the SeaTac airport with a 15 dollar minimum wage. And there was a lot of like, oh, my God, this can be the end of everything. And actually, it didn't cause a job loss. And we haven't seen that in terms of the research across the country. So, again, there are a lot of ways to feel about the issue.

But in terms of the positioning of Trump and how he differs this time around from sent from twenty sixteen, he's not only saying in that answer, I don't support fifteen dollars, he's saying I think it should be a state option altogether.

Not sounding like Paul Ryan has never been has never been his goal.

Can I ask you about the cages, you guys.

The cages exchange because they're the the thing that really had a lot of the Democrats and CNN and MSNBC talking after the debate was the cages and the kids, the five hundred plus kids who are now being held without being able to get reunited with their parents. Trump was basically saying, look, they're their parents sent them up here with coyotes and that they're there in cages that were built by the Obama administration and Biden basically saying they got separated from their parents and their caregivers thanks to your policies, and it's it's criminal, he said.

So what were your thoughts, Saagar? Let me ask you on that and whether that moved the needle.

Well, you know, what's funny to me is actually connects very much what we were just talking about, which is that you could have given the answer to the no minimum federal mandated minimum wage from a populous perspective, which is what Trump and his administration used to argue, which they could have said, look, with less immigration and competition for American wages, you don't need to mandate a federal minimum wage and you will have tight labor markets, which will lead to higher rates, higher wages for all Americans.

And we didn't really hear that. And I think that in general, that's always been a problem for the Trump administration, is they have not what Trump connected with is he connected immigration in twenty sixteen with populist economics. So whenever you strip that away and you make it about child separation at the border without any of the populist economic message to underscore that what the core argument of the administration is, that we need less immigrants in America to compete for American jobs, ergo increasing American wages and cracking down on corporate welfare, then that's actually a majoritarianism, economic and political position.

But as it was, Trump wasn't returning to that, especially on that issue, on the minimum wage and more. So I see it in a broader context of Trump and immigration, which is just been missing from this entire campaign from him. Yes, it's been surprising.

Build a wall, build the wall. That was like his number one applause line four years ago. And he never hits it now. He never really hits immigration. And it's been such a popular issue for him. But I will say, Kristol, maybe this is why, because the you know, those suburban soccer moms we've been talking about, they don't like the kids being alone in the house without the parents, even if they're ticked off that the parents sent the kids up with or without them with coyotes, which obviously nobody supports, no one thinks that's a good idea.

But you don't like the thought of kids not being able to reunite with their parents now?

Of course not. And and, look, you're right. If you look at the numbers, the Obama administration deported way more people than the Trump administration has been able to do. There's a variety of reasons for that. And they did, in fact, build those cages. But when you're faced with a statistic about more than five hundred children who may never see their parents again, who have been permanently potentially orphaned by the US federal government as a policy of intentional cruelty.

And the answer from the president is, oh, well, they're they're being well taken care of. I don't think that that's sufficient for really anyone.

That was not his best moment. I mean, honestly, it's like even I think Trump supporters are looking at that like, well, that that can't be the plan that they're just going to be, quote unquote, well taken care of in the cages for the rest of their lives. And I realize Trump didn't create that problem. They came and they needed to be dealt with in his in his effort to crack down on this problem. He started separating the families.

But something satisfactory is going to have to happen there because I know I know that issue tugs at the heartstrings. And I just I thought that was one missed opportunity for both of them. All right. So now here we are.

I don't know how many days now. Less than almost about two weeks out. Let me let me exit question to you both whether what what percentage chance you give Trump to win at this point? I think Trump has probably got about a 15 percent chance of winning. And I know that's level I think I think it's low. But look, I think that his core strengths we were just talking about on immigration, on economics, he failed to deliver on a stimulus package.

Now, look, we've got 12 days to go, but we all know Nancy Pelosi. Stephen, you shouldn't have to come to a deal than you got three days in the House and the Senate has 30 hours of floor time that the odds of a large stimulus package passing before the election are dwindling to the day. And actually, it's a failure that we don't even have a stimulus already, that we didn't pass one again and again and again over the last several months.

These are the things I think could have won Trump re-election taking coronavirus more seriously in March. And even with that passing large stimulus packages in April, May and June, corralling the Republican majority and making them go against their the Republican Senate majority and making them go against their more deficit hawk instincts, which again, he ran against in twenty sixteen by couple of all times to stop his spending instincts. I know it's crazy to me. I mean, he basically buckled to them at the worst possible.

I said this on your podcast before I became a true Republican at the worst possible moment for his presidency. And I do not think that bodes well for his election chances. What do you think? So how would you give Trump percentage chance of winning?

I give him about a 10 percent chance. I think and I'll play devil's advocate here, though, look, at this point, the polls would have to be a lot more wrong than they were last time around. You'd have to have a really pretty wild polling error for him to be able to pull this off. And there are dwindling opportunities for him to change the game. 50 million plus people have already voted. And this race has frankly been remarkably stable for months and months and months in spite of wild swings and what is happening in our country.

OK, but can I ask you before you get to the book, because I mentioned this before you came out, at this point in 2016, Hillary was up more than Joe Biden is up right now over Donald Trump in states like Florida, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, North Carolina and Ohio. So why why so certain that, you know, he's done?

Well, one of the differences has been that Biden has been consistently over 50. It's been very stable. And certainly the national polling average, he's a lot further up than Hillary was at this point. I mean, 10 points, ten point national average at the real Clear Politics average is a lot more than she was able to achieve at this point. But to play devil's advocate, look, if you were ever going to have a wild polling swing and just have be caused by uncertainty caused by, look, people are voting in a way they've never voted before through a method that they haven't used before, the turnout model, if it's a little off and then you have more Democratic ballots coming in mail and and getting tossed out because they didn't weren't done properly like that is in the realm of possibility.

Do I think it's likely? No. Is it possible? Sure. It's still possible.

And last time around, 11 days before the vote, Comi came out saying they had found more Hillary hidden documents on Anthony Weiner's laptop that he shared with his wife, Huma Abedin. And that was I mean, basically what we're seeing is back in 16 and 20, 20, we've had a laptop from hell. We've had has dropped last night.

That is what winds up making an appearance in the final moments of every campaign. The laptop from just don't buy to stick with your iPhone. And if it breaks, you just throw it away. People, you don't need to get it repaired. You guys, great to talk to you as always. Thanks, Megan. Great Society, Megan Buil.

My sister and I were just going through this latest and I had this like Mac that was just kind of it died, just died. And she was like, well, you know, we can wipe it and we can donate. I'm like, it sounds nice. And honestly, after this whole Biden thing, we were like, maybe we'll just smash it.

But especially not that I have anything on there of interest whatsoever.

I mean, I'm smart enough at this point, my career not to take naked photos of myself. Not really, because I think you're going to find him, but because I had three kids. There's really no reason for anyone to see that. But I think we're going to end up smashing. Just chose to be on the safe side. Listen, I want to thank all my guests today. So good to reconnect with Eric Bolling, who I just love as a friend.

And Krystal and Soga are always are they interesting?

They just they're young and they come at these issues from a different point, from a different entry point.

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