Something I'm very fascinated by is the concept of space and the concept of physics that hasn't really been broken down entirely or entirely understood by mankind. This episode features a barrage from a a new film while he's running one of India's most successful content pages on social media, along with his wife, Nyathi. This man has a deep interest in sci fi, quantum physics and even conspiracy theories. And that's what this episode contains. Super fun, super quick, but super deep conversation with my brother will be all about space, about darkness, all about physics, all about black holes and all about the brain bending things that you're going to encounter on this episode about my brother on the TV show.
Brother Biraj from VNU, hello. Hello, how are you? Good, bro. I kind of put out a story a month ago and means, like I'm saying, hey, does anyone you want to talk about outer space and the oceans? And new message me from a VNU saying that I love the oceans, I love the oceans, and I'll begin to talk about space.
So. Okay, that's where you got the idea. I was wondering I never said anything about what I think about the space, what I think about space exploration, all the science fiction stuff anywhere. I don't yeah. I don't really make this personal hobby personal interest anyway. So how did this guy know about. OK, but maybe there is a mole in my.
That's right. And we just finished recording a great episode about the oceans with the new. So I've got to ask you man, like I'm also a science fiction MIT fan, like I've I've been into Cosmos. I've been in the regulars like Star Wars. Interstellar had such a huge impact on my life. What one or two shocking things, you know about outer space, that it just blow people's minds off all.
The greatest thing that blows people's minds off is that the space itself is expanding. So I'll explain what SpaceX what is the whole space expanding theory so are actually speaking.
What we imagine is there is a speed limit. There is a doable speed limit or the speed of light. So what people imagine is that suppose in the future, if we build a spaceship, that is that can go at the speed of light, theoretically speaking, then in like a few hundred years, we will be able to reach this galaxy, that galaxy. But it is not true because up at a galaxy level, gravity is strong. But when you go outside the galaxies, there is something called as dark energy, which gets stronger.
So there is this constant tug of war that is happening once, once again, galaxies, a collection of stars like the Milky Way, One Galaxy or skip something like, okay, let me start from the very, very small right.
So our planet solar system, like the eight planets that we have, a couple of dwarf planets and the sun that's our solar system, then are billions of sorry, trillions of stars like that in our galaxy are galaxies, Milky Way galaxy.
Then there are a couple of galaxies around us. One is Andromeda Galaxy and there are some smaller galaxies around us. These are our local group. You can consider that as well. OK, that is our world. Now, suppose you have to go from one to the other, but your train's speed can never match up to the speed at which the other is getting away from you.
That is your space expanding so inward. Guatemala, all of you are close friends. All of you stay together where your gravity is stronger. But when you go outside what I love and there are even lesser, lesser things between two different galaxies that is just empty space, dark energy and dark matter. That's where gravity feels. And this dark energy just expands in itself. But that is going away from such a rate that even if you travel at the speed of light, your train can never reach that.
So that is the one thing that blows me that no matter what level we reach, we are never going to reach that unless we have a wormhole.
Yeah. Yeah. OK, explain.
OK, so a wormhole is if you have a piece of paper and if you imagine and and going from one corner of the paper to the other corner of the paper, it will have to travel the entire distance. All right. But imagine if all the paper in the middle, then the end can instantly go from one corner to the other corner without having to travel that distance.
Now. We have we this is more or less accepted that the speed of light is the global speed limit, that nothing can go faster than light in the vacuum of space. But what if we have that force of folding the paper of the fabric of the universe?
The Space-Time is the fabric of the universe. That's what we see. That's what we believe in. So what if we can create one hole at one point and the other hole at another point and our spaceship or the womb can just pass through it?
So like just in an apple, if a womb has a hole on one side or the side, it will not have to go from the surface. It can just go through it. Mm hmm.
So taking a higher dimension for the higher dimension is the third dimension so we can take a higher dimension than the three dimensions that we haven't got.
Yeah, so that's the wormhole. Yeah.
We want to actually talk about two things. One is in dark, there's a wormhole, the Netflix show Dark, which has become very popular. They've gone through a wormhole, which is where they kind of go to another period of human history, like another time period. Using the woman is the same logic, huh?
So what they have done is they have conceptualize a wormhole that has a fixed location in space.
Their location and time is different so that they have imagined a wormhole that is sort of a time travelling room. What I'm talking about is a space traveling wormhole, like you can go from here to my home in a second world that they have imagined as sort of it's like a portal. It's like a time portal.
So this actually highlighted a video idea I was working on so far in detail. I have been working on this series, which I don't know will be released when it's kind of like bad horror, bad science fiction based. It's called the Philadelphia Experiment. Have you heard of this?
So it's crazy. You probably have heard of this. OK, I just don't know the I'll read it for you.
So, you know, they say that war is a time of technological advancement. Like you have to figure out how to save your gun or how to make our country stronger.
So America had basically hired so-called hired Einstein to develop technologies which will help them become better at war. So Einstein came up with a mathematical equation. He found the proof for a mathematical equation that I don't I don't remember what it was called. I don't remember details of it. But it was something along the lines of most human beings think that only gravity and electromagnetism are the two overarching forces of over man or what existence on this planet. But there are actually two more forces which people don't speak about, and that is the force of time and the force of space, OK, which means that while gravity and electromagnetism can be measured and changed, the same thing applies to time and space.
OK, and that equation showed a link between gravity, electromagnetism, time and space and the outcome of it. Using that equation, he was able to develop some kind of technology. Again, I'm explaining it in an extremely raw manner, but this is what laymen.
Yeah. So using that equation, he developed a device which he used in layman's terms to make objects disappear so he could make like an apple DeSapio.
They could make small object disappear. And the US government found out that this technology has been discovered. For example, when they found out that nuclear power has been discovered, they developed the atom bomb because that was the obvious other application of it. If such a huge amount of dollars go, let's create a bomb that would blow up a whole city. But you will be like, you know very well it's another application of the same technology.
So Einstein was hesitant about this particular piece of technology because he knew that it could have bad repercussions, but no one knew exactly what the repercussions could be.
OK, so the experiments on this technology had some successes with they were able to make some small object disappear.
But at one point they did something called the Philadelphia experiment, where they had tried making an entire ship disappear, a ship with people on computer. And the conspiracy or the urban legend says that the ship actually disappeared with all its people for about ten seconds and it reappeared in the same spot.
But when it reappeared, there was a and while it was disappearing and when it reappeared, there was a green mist that had formed around the ship. When it reappeared, every single crewmember on the ship had either gone mad, had died or was found half attached to the metal inside the ship. And they were like screaming in pain and agony. OK, and the other part of the urban legend says that when these people were asked about that, you know where they'll go for ten seconds, they couldn't even speak properly.
And some said that we just went to hell and came back. So Einstein apparently sent them to another dimension.
And that's why he was hesitant about this whole process, because he had opened up a wormhole to hell. OK, now the US government actually denies claims that this ever happened. I think someone in the British film. Industry town making a movie on it, there is a movie called The Philadelphia Experiment, and the US government had called up the director and producer and I told them that don't release this movie and it's this whole classified experiment and all that. And they also had a lot of people come up over time, people who are former agents of the US government, some people who were on location where the Philadelphia experiment was happening.
And they Desideria, we actually saw this happening. And a few of them, again, as you can guess, they were found dead later. So, you know, like this is one massive conspiracy that no one knows whether it happened or not. It just shows the power of government in general all over the world, like how much power a certain small group of people can have in order to even erase bits of history.
So this is another application of the Vermeulen science fiction in general.
Yeah. So what do you plan to do with the Philadelphia Eagles? I think we were talking about wormholes. Yeah, and it's the same. So the logic of wormholes comes out of a similar equation that we were the dogma then, as we know in theory, that there does exist a wormhole. We know in theory that a black hole is an opening to another dimension.
So now the actual name of a wormhole is Einstein Rozenberg Bridge. So it's actually a bridge between two points in space or in dark. It's two points in time now because it's completely like a science fiction level.
So let's not go there. But the black holes now. Black holes are so mysterious that around a hundred years ago, Einstein came up with the concept of black hole where all the rules fell. But we did not have a proof that a black hole existed still last year.
OK, we did not have a proof that black holes exist.
Last year, last year on in April, we got the first actual photo of a black hole.
And it's like a blurry photo or it just looks like if you keep your coffee mug somewhere and you get that small, it looks like that is a very blurry photo because so far of it.
So we got the proof right now. So now what is the link between a black hole and a wormhole? Because we don't know what is inside a black hole. Some people think that what happens to all that matter that goes inside a black hole. Some people just think that, OK, let's let's start from the very beginning. OK, how does a black hole form? Let's start from there. So are stars formed because of gravity?
Like there is this huge cloud. Imagine a huge cloud of dust that just comes together because of gravity. And when it comes together because of gravity is usually hydrogen that is fusing into helium and some elements are being formed. That is a constant tug of war over there as well between the gravity that is pulling the star inside and the nuclear fusion that is happening outside that spews out all the energy. So what happens is this fusion keeps happening inside the star till one point after which star has iron in it and iron does not fuse with anything else.
So the star just grows heavier and heavier inside. And there are two cases or one case is that the outside force, the nuclear fusion that is happening, that overpowers gravity and the star explodes in a supernova or the gravity winds and the star implodes into a black hole.
So now what is a black hole and what is the why are we what we call it black firstly. So imagine a rocket that has to launch from Earth. That is a certain speed at which it has to go up. That is going escape velocity. So if the escape velocity of any star or any object exceeds the speed of light, what one second one?
The escape velocity is the amount of velocity that an object needs to escape the gravitational pull of the rocket.
The rocket has to go up and sideways really, really fast. So how fast does it have to go to enter into orbit, to leave the to leave the planet or whatever?
First, any rocket enters into orbit. It starts orbiting around the planet and then it slingshot from the planet. It takes energy, I mean, at one point of time and just uses that energy to go into another direction. That's how rockets go and that's how rockets land as such. Andriano did not land like this. It first started revolving around one and then it slowed down and then it slowly like. So escape velocity is that that the amount of speed, amount of velocity that you need to escape a planet or a star.
So at one point of the escape velocity increase is more than the speed of light and even light cannot escape it. So that's what happens with light, the lightest trapped orbit. And regarding the gravitational pull is so strong that even light can't, even light can, and theoretically nothing can go faster than light.
So if you go over there, you can go faster than light. So you will there is only one direction you can go and you're going to go in the other direction. So now if there is a black hole, then possibly there is a white oil somewhere as well, like two sides of a coin. That's what people say, that a moving black hole can be vital to some other dimension, probably another universe as well. But we have not observed that this is all science fiction.
If something that was theorized 100 hundred years ago, we got the first photo last year and probably this will take even longer to figure it out.
We have not observed it anymore.
It's all clear if you really want to exercise your science fiction muscle. Interstellar is the movie I would recommend like HA.
But actually Interstellar was great to visualize everything.
I mean, all these concepts that I mentioned and everything it is explained really well in Interstellar. That is one more movie that I would recommend. It's called Contact. It's my favorite science fiction movie which talks about aliens and everything, our role as humanity and how humanity has matured and everything. And I think it is written by Carl Sagan. Carl Sagan was the guy who originally wrote Cosmos, and then it was recreated right now by Neil deGrasse Tyson. So Neil deGrasse Tyson really admires Carl Sagan's work.
So Carl Sagan said something nice, which is if you have to create an apple pie from scratch, you have to create a universe, because technically speaking, all the elements that we use to create an apple pie come from an explosion of a star, all the atoms.
So nobody can take credit for creating an apple pie from scratch. So that this is I mean, Carl Sagan and all these scientists that led to such a such interesting point that science and philosophy just merged together. It's very interesting to hear all these people since you brought up aliens. That has to be my next question. What is your opinion on aliens in general?
Are. See, Earth is around four billion years old and the Big Bang Theory says that Big Bang happened around 13 billion years ago.
So that has been a lot of time for other planets and other and other galaxies to come at a stage where autism. Right now, there are a lot of planets and a lot of planets are habitable as well in theory.
So then there are the aliens. That is the essential question, which brings in for me a paradox. So for me was this guy who asked this question, if we had a lot of time and it is possible to have life everywhere, then where are the aliens? So there are two possible explanations for this. One is that we are the first we are the first is the most logical explanation, or there have been many alien species before who are either not intelligent aliens.
I mean, they are like dinosaurs. Their priorities are different, their priorities medially survival and getting at the top of the food chain and not our other things like exploration and cultural needs and everything like that. So there are two possibilities of aliens. Either we are the first and that's why there are no other aliens. The space is not overcrowded with other spaceships and everything or that are aliens out there, but they are just not smart enough that priorities are different.
Why would you want to go to Mars and try to colonize or try to make it like Earth, try to grow potatoes over there? I mean, your priorities are different. So these are the two possibilities if aliens exist. So that's the thing. That's the for me paradox for you.
You don't you don't think that there's more advanced species which are so advanced that they could even possibly be beyond our perception or.
It's definitely possible. Scientifically speaking, there are three skills, OK, or advanced in the sense. What is your definition of advanced? The first skill is it's called Kabakov Skill. By doing so, type one is when you are able to use all the resources of your planet.
So that's when you reach type one. We are not even type one. We are zero point seven level. But so we are yet to utilize all the resources. What resources will be left? Solar energy. We are not able to use all the solar energy. We are not able to use all the wind energy. We are not able to use that. That reaches our planet.
To get type two is when you are able to use all the resources of your nearest star and your solar system. So if you are able to use all the energy of the sun, like all that energy, the nuclear fusion that's happening over there, plus you go to Jupiter, use those gases over there to create something, you colonize every asteroid over there to mind something that's type two.
And type three is when you are able to use the energy of your entire galaxy. So. A species that is able to do all of that, like if a species is able to use all the resources of its entire galaxy, then it will be a godlike creature for us. Like if you have seen, though, are you a follower of Marvel? Yeah. Have you seen Silver Surfer? Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
And gotten Galactus. Yeah. The Galactus. So that's what Galactus does, right. He goes through different different planets and he just consumes them. He has to eat that planet to just stay alive. So that would be like a type three civilization. So these are the three skills, but obviously we don't see them. So the possible explanation is that either it doesn't exist or it is just waiting or it is not ready for it yet. I mean, Earth is not even a snack for it.
Yeah, he they just don't want to interact with us.
I strongly feel and this is again a concept from yoga where they talk about higher beings being outside of human perception, for example. And there's no easy way to explain this, but the closest metaphor would be an and and only travels in straight lines.
So its whole life as an x axis and y axis, two dimensional human beings can travel in front, we can walk sideways and we can jump. So our lives are entirely in 3D, but there is actually a full 40 or 50 and these beings exist in for the invite. Which also brings me back to Interstellar, like the end of it when he enters the black hole. Yeah. And then he enters the Tesseract where he's able to actually move across time as well.
He's able to travel across time as space.
So the timeline is very easy to imagine for whoever edits. It's basically if you edit, then you can definitely add a certain image over here. It has happened in the past, but you can add an image over there because you are sort of traveling in the fourth dimension. That is the fourth dimension. Yeah, the fourth dimension is that just the way you are able to, you know, walk ahead sideways and up, theoretically, you can just take one step and you will be one year younger.
That is your fourth dimension. And you are able to use time as a physical dimension. And I know time is a temporary dimension and you are just stuck in one direction. You are a prisoner of time. Yeah, that is what Neil deGrasse Tyson calls it. You're a prisoner of.
Yeah. The world of your world does talk about going beyond this concept and being able to do whatever travels through time as well. But that's after you reach a certain level of spiritual advancement and it just shit I can't actually openly talk about on the podcast, but it's a lot of the spiritual books of it.
Yeah, definitely. See, basically, again, moving from science to philosophy, a lot of people believe that. Whatever happens, I mean, I'll give you an example and then will be better for you to understand, I always have has this conception in my head that I have this cousin who's really rich, who has a really beautiful house. And I had not visited his house for around five, six years. And I went to his house just a couple of years ago.
And then I observed a child licking it. Knobby, actually, to my memory was sort of manipulating me into believing that his house is superior to everything else that I have seen. So I was manipulating my boss does. So by manipulating your memories, you might be able to manipulate your experience of the past. Probably that is what Yogi is.
That is what your kids might be able to manipulate the experience of the present also by manipulating your experience of the bus.
Yes, because we are comparing. Right? Yeah, we are comparing everything. You are comparing our past. We are comparing our present and our future.
So, you know, here's the issue with people who are absolute men of science as equals. There's nothing wrong with it. You're no black person. I'm a no black person because of my profession. And like, there's nothing at all. No back on science back. But what I don't enjoy is where people will switch off their entire faculty of perceiving things when it goes beyond a certain point of their perception.
For example, this concept you just spoke about that through visualization, which is what Georgiades billboard, by the way, you're able to visualize your past moments, something that's gone wrong in your past, and relive that scenario again and again and again when you come back in your meditation in the present and you realize, okay, that's what went wrong.
Now I've made peace with it. Now, the concept of yoga talks about the stronger your visualisation gets, the stronger your belief in that process gets, the better the effects of that process of actually going to the past, changing things and coming back where eventually reaches a point, being able to control your astral body and you're actually allowed to travel through time, change things and come back, which is also what I felt in my ayahuasca experience. Like I've had no experience, but I felt like I was sort of, for lack of a better word, I'm traveling now.
People are listening, listening to this podcast. At this point, most of them will be like, oh, this is fascinating. There will always be a group of people would be like, OK, which people? They're like, you know, this is like but when you reach that point of people will just keep in mind that true knowledge is knowing, you know, nothing. Yeah, of course, even human beings and science by itself has a long way to go.
Like we have too much to discover.
Of course. Of course there is this theory as well, which is cool as the knowledge and confidence. Good. All right. I'll send you that image. You can put it over here for people to notice.
So when your knowledge is close to nothing, you are really confident because you don't even know what is there to normal. Then slowly you start gaining knowledge and your confidence just dips because you are overwhelmed with there is so much to know about.
And then there is like this Nike swoosh that as your knowledge increases, your confidence increases, but you start getting so humble that you never reach that overconfidence.
Stupid fears that because there is always more to know about, you know, I mean, imagine like a circle, imagine a supai and your diameter is your knowledge, but the circumference will always be greater than your diameter. So the circumference of what you do not know will always be greater than the diameter, no matter how much your diameter geometric geometrically. That's how it's been. So let's let's keep it light.
Now, let's talk about a little bit of time travel in movies.
So then it will be relatable for people.
And I mean, let's keep it science fiction. Let's not keep it what is right or it is wrong. It cannot happen.
You tell me, because you are so into filmmaking in general. What about some time travel movies that have stayed with you?
It has to travel back to the future.
OK, you have to and every person has to watch back to the future because it's such a brilliant movie. It's not overly technical. It's.
Have you watched it? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Of course. So for the people who have not watched.
Let me just give you the premise and two lines. So basically a kid from nineteen eighties goes back in time in nineteen fifties and his mother falls in love with him before she max before she meets his father. So then now there is this problem that his mother is in love with him and not not with his father. So he can't be bought that sort of time travel dilemma. Is that so. Yeah. So it's, it's a beautiful movie.
And if, if she actually falls over and doesn't fall for his dad, he will cease to exist.
Yeah, yeah. That's another way of time travel where you are. I mean, whatever is happening in your future is also affecting your past. So, yeah, all of these are theories. All of these are theories. That is one theory called a grandfather paradox as well, which says that if you go back in time and if you kill your grandfather. Before your father was born, then who killed your grandfather, if you are born, that sort of grandfather paradox is that.
Mhm. Yeah, yeah. But can I ask you about alien based movies, which you thought was sort of realistic contact the one I spoke about.
Then there is this movie called Arrival, which is not a cup of tea for everybody, but for film buffs. It's a very interesting film because it tries to solve a basic problem of communication. I mean, an alien being, we just assume that OKing I mean, aurally is how we communicate verbally. Verbally is how we communicate. But what if the alien species that lands over here does not like to communicate verbally? For example, dogs sniffing glue like that sense of smell is really higher than ours, so we can't even imagine.
But they could see it that way. You see, I think they're colorblind or they see in black and white or something. Yeah.
So for us, visual stuff is really important. We give really we emphasize a lot on colors, but if dogs were in charge of this planet, they would not emphasize on colors. They would emphasize on the sense of smell.
So that is the stuff that it tries to address that how we would communicate first they establish what is yes. What is known and stuff like that. It's very technical and it's a very interesting movie as well.
But not everybody's cup of tea is an observation. I've seen a lot of people who dislike science fiction as a concept or dislike science fiction movies, often also arrogant, like I feel like you need a certain level of humility to even perceive this reality. So I've heard a lot people say that I hate science fiction because it's too far fetched what the shit doesn't exist. And again, they have overcome that goave you were talking, whereas in the confidence level, the way too high compared to the amount of knowledge would go.
Yeah, so these two movies are aliens right up. Of course, Star Wars, but then it's more of it's more like fantasy, it's more like it's more like fantasy. Star Trek actually as a series, it has a lot of concepts like actually this warm will, this concept.
It somewhat stemmed from Star Wars as well, or like Star Trek.
So, yeah, all of my mind, these two movies, I mean, these are really at the top of my list. Interstellar is good, but at certain levels and visceral feel to me like the whole love explanation, like love transcends everything. And it just wasn't I was not able to digest that. But Interstellar is a really good movie in a lot of aspects.
So I hate because someone will actually do the deep mathematical things to explain it visually on screen. Geeks in the giggle.
Galba So then Kipton is one of the scientists who actually worked on that film. He's an actual scientist. We'll sort of imagine that.
Yes, Black Hole would look like this. And now as we have a picture, it is somewhat closed.
So it's a great achievement. Mm hmm. Hundred percent.
So now that we've reached the end of this episode, I just want to thank you of it. While I would have loved to see even more aliens, maybe that's for another episode. And is there any other signing of Nords that you would like to give? Because you're going to read a lot. So just in terms of science and of the knowledge, in terms of what you know, what space, what would you like to tell people?
What questions are other videos on YouTube? Watch resource, although he does not make a lot of videos anymore. But then I have learned a lot from resource.
And yeah, there are lots of science related video creators, video makers out there, and of course, are doing this on science fiction because a lot of stuff that we see right now that is turning into reality. For example, the photo that we have of a black hole, it is very close to the imagination of all these mathematicians and theoretical physicists. So do not do this on them.
Just consider it as a possibility, because ultimately it's about accepting what we don't know. Beautiful.
Thank you, brother. I'll be linking all of Abby's angels down below. Make sure you go follow me. You go subscribe. And until the next time, we'll come back with a beautiful topic maybe from the realms of science fiction. Again, thank you, brother.
All right. Thank you so much.