Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to the shows, and happy Tuesday. And speaking of choose... No, it's Tuesday. And speaking of choose, I'm joined by a very proud one. Hello, Jacquelyne Folley. Thank you so much for joining the show today.

It's a pleasure and an honor to be here per chusual.

Oh, okay.

Not the pun.

Not Not the slut strands, Jackie. You look like a big slut today.

I feel uncomfortable, not because of being slutty. I feel uncomfortable. I feel like they don't look right, and they're bothering me. I'm actually going to put them behind my ears. If you could bear with me.

We're going from a slutty podcast to a more traditional one. Jackie's putting her slut strands away. She's taking back her life of sin, and she's moving forward in Christ. I love that.

No, it was just two in my face. I can't live like that. I need a clean workspace to do my thing. No distractions.

I'm a do my thing. That was such a crazy song.

Why?

That album was actually extremely good. What is the song that opens the movie Trainwreck? I know it's from the Banger's album.

Yes. Is it not Do My Thing? Is it? No. I need to look at the name of the song. I'll know it when I see it.

It was such a perfect random... Whoever did the soundtrack knew what the fuck they were doing. It's true. I think you're right. I think it was Do My Thing. It was, yes, it was confirmed.

Okay, great. Little Trivia for the morning. Speaking of pop culture, you're looking like Kate Middleton today in your sweater.

I am looking like Kate Middleton today with my sweater. Don't forget my gorgeous, luscious locks.

Of course, the locks. You know what? But the sweater is so, as they say, Kate Middleton.

Coded. Wait, something we didn't even really talk about. It's a really sad side effect for Anyone of chemotherapy is losing your hair. Kate is really known for her hair. It's famous, her famous blowout. If that is a reality, that's so sad. Just something I wanted to mention.

Thank you for mentioning that.

Thanks for making the show sad. Sorry. Back to me looking like Kate Middleton. Yeah, it's Kate Middleton via Amazon. It's Kate Middleton if you ordered her through Wish. It's giving Timu Kate Middleton.

It's fate Fiddleton.

It's Fate Fiddleton, but it doesn't mean it's not cute.

No, you're the one who was denigrating it.

Oh, yeah, that's my thing. Oh, you have to compliment me? I have to self-sabotage. Say something nice about me.

I just did that you look like Kate Middleton. No, but like- Say something else.

Yeah, just compliment something about me. Oh, actually having a hard time. Okay.

I feel like I captured all the... Okay, your hair looks so wonderful. Thanks.

It's a wig. I always have to insult myself whilst accepting- You can't accept a compliment.

I can't.

No, and it's like, okay, someone says, I love I'll literally be like, it was a dollar.

I need to learn to stop doing that. What's the right thing to say? Just thank you?

Oh my God, thank you so much. I love your sweatshirt, too.

No, you don't have to say another... You don't also have I'm wearing a deflect. Are you wearing my sweatshirt? I am wearing your sweatshirt. You dirty little liar. Because remember, you left it in my closet and I said, This belongs to you. Yeah, you did.

You were like, okay.

Then you never took it.

Well, enjoy.

But here's the thing about accepting a compliment. I feel like even what you just said, you're still deflecting by giving someone a compliment back. Just sit with it, accept the compliment.

I had to immediately change the subject back to your sweatshirt. Let's try one more time. This is like an exposure therapy, very Huberman of us. Tell me you like something about me.

I like your sweater.

Thank you so much.

What about, I like it, too.

Thank you so much. It's really comfortable. Yeah. Okay, that was good.

Yeah. I think that's what you're supposed to do.

Today's show, I'm so excited for. I think you and I both really did our research on today's episode because it's almost like this happens to us all the time, where somebody whom... It's very popular in culture, but we don't really know much about them. The second we start talking about them, there's an article being written about them. It's almost like we're radioactive in that sense. But that happened yesterday. Huberman, who's been a major topic of conversation here at The Toast. We've been implementing a lot of his wellness and self-help.

Literally not at all. We take a sip of water and say, Huberman sent us.

I don't know. I took Romeo out today, and right when I woke up, and I got my vitamin D, and I'm feeling Huberman-esque.

Right, but it's like you still had to take your dog out.

Yeah, no, but we've just been talking about him a lot recently, and I I don't even know what to call it. It was a cover story in New York magazine. It was- Hit piece. Yeah, but it was like, moronic.

Exposé.

Yeah, sure. Exposé on Huberman in the New York magazine. Jackie and I both read it. Everyone's talking about it, and I cannot wait to dive in. I screenshotted some of my favorite parts because they were so dumb. I want everyone to know, and I'm sure you all could have guessed this, #IStandWithHuberman.

Yeah. I did need to read it just to make sure I still stand with Huberman because it's like, sometimes I see- Make sure he wasn't accused of something egregious. Yeah. Sometimes I see a hip piece, and it's my reflex to want to defend the person just because that's the way things go. And so often it's a mountain out of a mole hill, and people are just being crucified.

But every now and then there are legitimate accusations, so you don't want to just blindly defend.

Right. I do need to see the accusations- Prior. To be able to speak on them and say, comfortably, I stand with Huberman.

I wasn't even somebody who We talked about Huberman a lot. I swear, I had no idea anything about... He was a real scientist.

I didn't even know he was Stanford. I didn't know he was a Stanford professor. I just know he's a girly with a podcast that talks about wellness. Who does it?

I thought it was seriously like he was an influencer. I had no idea of his accolades. I'm sure this wasn't the point of the article. I'm a Huber Stan. I find his whole thing very impressive. He's a fucking freak. I was thinking about this yesterday. I feel like it's really common for mainstream media to do big hit pieces, never on someone who's a media darling. It's always someone who's alternative, fringe, free thinker. I don't know what the point of these articles are. Is it to silence that person? Because I find more often than not, they become bigger than ever. This article, for me, I had never even heard of people, and I never even felt compelled once in my life to listen to a podcast episode of his. I'm so not the target demo. But now, I don't know. I'm like, Oh, he's a fucking freak.

Yeah, now I'm like, Wait, what was he saying about coffee before you wake up?

Is it good or bad?

Maybe they should go listen.

His wellness tips are so ubiqu... They become ubiquitous. People just die for them. I'm intrigued. I don't know what the point of these articles are, but I feel like they're having the adverse effect. I feel like it's mainstream media It's mainstream media's way of silencing someone who's out there, but in turn- Someone who has a platform and is maybe using it not in the way that they want to see them using it. I find that it just has the opposite effect.

I think now people are so attuned to it that even... Obviously for us, we're hardened, so we read it with a critical lens. But even when I was seeing some of the reactions from this article, I think it is having the opposite effect for most people, where it's like, Oh, you were meant.

Yeah, right. That's just the nature of life. You can't just cancel everyone. At first, I think if you got canceled in the late 2010s, it had a major, major impact. Ever since then, it's just a rite of passage for anyone with a platform. It doesn't really have the fallout that it used to have.

It's a rite of passage.

Honestly, if you haven't had even a small scandal, you're a nobody, seriously.

Yeah. It's crazy what they even got of Huberman. They went so far deep into his personal life.

You know what it was reminding me of? What? I hope that we're on the same page. I'm going to say it in three, two, one, but you think first.

I'm not going to say it.

No, but I want you to say it.

I can't think that widespread. Tell me what it remind you of. I'll tell you if I had that feeling. I'll be honest.

It reminded me of the article about Gary, the bachelor.

No, it did not remind me of that.

That one was even more innocuous.

If you want to dig so deep into someone, you will find-Loser behavior.imperfect behavior about anyone. Then to make the grand sweeping thesis is like, his private and his public, there's such a disparity. Can we trust what he's saying?

I'm glad you brought up the grand thesis because I literally She shot at the last paragraph of the article. It was like the girl did all this dumb research, and she didn't know how to land the plane. She didn't know how to be- She made it about female friendship. It was so stupid. Okay, you know what? Let's sidebar that because that is our first story.

What's actually crazy is that that's not even the biggest story of the day.

Is the biggest story of the day, The Bridge? No. Okay, but let's just talk about that really quick.

Horrible.

I woke up- Oh my God, sending so much love to our Baltimore toaster. It's like, How scary, that video.

That was so scary. That video was so scary. They're still doing the search and rescue mission. There's still six people missing.

That's seven. I feel like that's everyone's worst nightmare when they're going over a bridge, and it feels like this just far off thing that's never going to happen, but it's this crazy thing we all think. It's people's It's the actual worst nightmare coming to fruition. It is so scary. I don't know who to be angry at. What the fuck happened with the boat? And did he back into it?

No, it was the front.

To me, in the video, it looked a little bit like a backing in.

I've seen pictures of the wreckage. You could see Ariel pictures from daytime now. You could see it was the front of the boat.

And by the way, thank God it wasn't 7:00 AM rush hour. It was dark out. So I think there could have been way more people on the bridge. But there was also construction workers. Oh, my God. Horrible.

Yeah. Well, I think we'll have answers soon as to what happened.

But it appears as though the power went out on the cargo ship. But then also, I guess I never really thought, there are cargo ships going under bridges that we drive on. I don't love that. I didn't know that. I've never seen a cargo ship under the 59th Street Bridge or the Manhattan- Well, not 59th Street. One Manhattan Bridge or any of the Manhattan bridges, the GW.

Okay, that's just Manhattan. But the world needs to operate. Ports and bodies of water need a bridge.

I just didn't know that.

Am I the only I never thought about it.

So wait, what was the big story you're teasing?

P. Diddy.

Oh, right.

That's the big story.

It is a big story. I was talking to you about this this morning. It's really hard not to keep falling into conspiracy theory traps about P. Diddy. There's so much misinformation on Twitter, on all social media. I cannot figure out what is real and what is fake. People are making jokes. People are making AI.

I don't even want to say misinformation because it's just theories. I feel like whenever you talk about sex trafficking and then a wider range. Epstein. It definitely is bigger than some of the facts that we know right now. But then people just start to theorize and start pulling from a million different things. Not all of it is true. I would say most of it is probably not, but it's just theories. It's like, wait, so what's fact right now and what's just being theorized about?

It's reminding me a lot of Epstein, where so many celebrity's names were in the Epstein docs. I would say half of them were completely innocently in there. They had no correlation to Epstein, Epstein Island pedophilia. Now it's like names are floating. I just saw a thing in Page 6 about Prince Harry being in some of the documents.

Yeah, one. He was mentioned once, and we'll talk about it in the story, just to say what's being said. It is mostly like nothing burger-ish, but I'm sure he's having a hard day.

Not a good week for Prince Harry.

No.

Juicy stories for a Tuesday. We're going up on a Tuesday.

Yeah, it's always the Tuesday. You never see it coming.

It's almost like we've been choosing.

We didn't choose this Tuesday.

We didn't choose this life, Jackie. It choose us.

That's true. That is true. Okay, let's get into it because there's a lot to discuss. Yeah. Without further about the choo-choo-choo.

Oh, I love that.

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Before we dive in, I did have a brief update on the 5K. Okay. I think I'm going to be able to swing it. I have to.

What That changed.

Well, I was just sitting here thinking, I'm going to have a running appointment today. I'm like, I did put in all this work. What's holding me back? First, it's Snitch's birthday. I did get approval from the one and only Snitch to miss it. Honestly, I was hoping her she would be a little bit more upset. She didn't seem that upset. She also, I think, knows if I miss it, I'll have to get her a better birthday present. I think it's a win-win for everyone. She was okay with it. Then I asked Ben if he would run it with me because I'm not running it alone.

Of course.

He said yes. I also invited Josh to run it with me. Did he answer me? He said, I'm obviously in pub. I'll sign us all up.

Going over to the other side.

Yeah, you ditch me. We've been training for this.

I could say you ditched me. Went over to the good guys, didn't even bat an eyelash.

I think we're going to have to call ourselves the good guys and dolls.

After everything they've done to us.

Why don't you just be happy that I'm not running this 5K alone like a loser, okay?

I never thought you were running it alone.

I never was going to. That'll be fun, no? Yeah. I was looking forward to not having to train anymore. No, the training is fun.

I feel like even if nothing Nothing came of it, it was just a good thing that we were doing.

We got so much shtick, and I'm going to do it. I'm signing up. I'm going to tell the peeps that I'm it. Count me in, plus two.

Okay. I'm happy for you. Keep me posted. Yeah. Okay, let's get into the stories. First up, Diddy's LA and Miami Homes were raided by the feds in connection with a sex trafficking investigation yesterday. So Sean Diddy Holmes' Homes in LA and Miami were raided by Homeland Security on Monday, in possible connection with an ongoing sex trafficking investigation. Federal law enforcement agents were seen arriving to the rapper's properties with guns drawn in the lavish Homeby Hills neighborhood of LA and in Miami, as seen in video obtained by Fox 11. In another video captured by TMZ, federal agents could be seen swarming his California property while multiple helicopters hovered from above. A few people were taken out in handcuffs, including one of his sons. The other people's names have yet to be officially revealed, along with, at the time, Diddy's whereabouts were unknown, but he was spotted yesterday at an executive airport in Miami.

There also was then rumors that his jet, which as we were talking about recently in regards to Taylor Swift, that his jet can be tracked, and they say he's flying the country, but there's no proof of that.

I think he has two planes. One of them landed in Miami yesterday with him, and another one was flying from LA to the Caribbean.

Which is definitely weird. What was on that plane? Documents, people, I don't think he would leave the country while his son is in custody. Now, of course, what does this remind you of?

I know you're going to say Jake Paul, but it doesn't.

It reminds me of Jake Paul because we had Ariel Real footage of... Was it Homeland Security or the feds?

The FBI.

The FBI raiding his house, guns, people coming out. It was the craziest thing of all time. The way nothing happened after that. He basically got swotted as a prank. They I can do that. What the hell was the wrap up there? Nothing.

I don't know. Today, I don't care because we're talking about this. No, but I'm just saying if this goes the way- And there are allegations connected to this from Cassie that we had spoken about a few weeks ago. Also, I need to find his name. His name is Rodney. He's the one leveling charges against Diddy. He had worked with him, and there's a lot of different charges. There are stories here in charges, and there's information here. It's all related to sex trafficking charges, sexual harassment, the physical abuse that Cassie had detailed. Then this person, Rodney, he was a producer with Diddy, has a whole trove of sordid tales. Yeah.

There have been people... In the last month, there's been a lot of news coming out about Diddy, and people have been... 50 Cent has been posting about it nonstop on his Instagram. People in the industry been hinting at something major to come in this big network of whatever. It feels like we might be on the precipice of what we thought was going to happen with Epstein. Remember the list? The list. And that never happened. Nobody's saying for their supper, he killed himself in prison or whatever. Oh, my God. I'm sorry. I keep going on tangents. The craziest part of this movie that I saw, I'm sorry. I know I keep going back to it. The movie that I saw over the weekend, which is about Nicholas Winton, the guy who saved over 600 Jewish lives, the Ghislaine Maxwell of It All. Her father, who we all know, who is Ghislaine Maxwell, she's this heiress, he's like a Rupert Murdoch, big media. Him and his wife were the ones who discovered Nicholas Winton and his scrapbook and made the story what it was. When they said Robert Maxwell, I was like, Ben, do you know who that is?

He didn't appreciate it. The Ghislaine Maxwell of It Totally random. Sorry. Now back to what I was saying. Oh, good. Is that interesting? That's nice. They said, When Jeffrey Epstein, the Epstein Island, we were finally going to find out who all the pedophiles in Hollywood were. That never happened, but it does sound like it feels also like this ditty thing is going to crack open this big ring of abuse.

Yeah. But we don't know. But we would hope that it would, but I don't think that it will. I feel like if Galaine, Maxwell, and Jeffrey Epstein could be tried and for Galaine, convicted of sex trafficking and not one person, one client, how you can charge someone without actually having the people who did it. To me, this feels like even a smaller version of it, I don't think it's going to go past Diddy. I really don't. But I do think that the Epstein- I hope that it does. Client list.

I feel like the Epstein- Is more protected than this. It's like a political class. It's not famous people. It was I feel like the one person who really came out, we knew he was a pedophile, too, actually, Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton. Like, literally, those aren't celebrities. Those are former presidents, a prince. Those are people who actually are a protected class. I think they're the Almighty. When people talk about they, it's those types of people. You know what I mean? Whereas I feel like if there's anyone connected to this human trafficking abuse ring that I feel like is going to come out with Diddy, it's more so celebrities who are definitely privileged and and get special treatment, but not a protected class completely. I feel like often the law tries to make an example out of celebrities.

Maybe, but I think that Diddy and It's on that level of global elites, where, yes, some of them are politicians or dignitaries, but there are a few really big name celebrities in there. I think, I don't know. It didn't happen with Epstein. I know. The Island, the seizure The Island and the logs, they have everything.

And the documentaries.

I don't know what more is going to happen here. I feel like it's just going to be about Diddy and what he did and the toxic work culture that he fostered. I don't think it's going to go into global sex trafficking ring scale. I don't think this is the one.

Damn. I'm just waiting for that. Anyone else?

Yeah, everyone is. Okay. Everyone is. This isn't it? I feel like people have not dropped the torch on... Jeffrey Epstein did not kill himself. What the hell is going on? What happened? What are the names? Where are the convictions? But these are very powerful people.

No, it's true. It's like, how do we know that Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton went to the island and were pedophilic? Why aren't they jail?

And there's not a charge.

Yeah, it's so weird. No, the Epstein thing, well, not everybody. The commoners, we did not drop the ball. The government, whoever was in charge, the attorney general, whatever, dropped the Yeah. No, the plane going to the Caribbean is weird.

It is weird.

It's giving grand camen.

Yeah, it's giving extradition.

Extradition. This is It's really a developing story.

This is a really a developing story. Yeah, it is a developing story. Tbd, if it has more to do with this global sex trafficking ring, or if it's more so about like, Diddy's world that he's cultivated with Cassie and Rodney and just a really... And if you read some of the allegations of sexual abuse, and also human trafficking, forcing people to have sex with other people.

The other thing is sometimes these charges can be confusing because you're right. It's either like, diddy's a freak and has this weird past, or it's this ring of abusers. S Sometimes when you take someone across state lines, that's considered trafficking. It's confusing what the charges actually mean.

No, to what degree? Because trafficking is trafficking and making someone do something against their will and holding them prisoner, that's human trafficking. But it's like, how big is it?

When I think human trafficking, I think what we all think, which is this underground system. Big network.

Big network.

I don't know. But I feel like we all, especially if you're really into pop culture, it's so easy to end up down rabbit holes, blind items over the years. You really do feel like Hollywood is this ring of pedophiles. It's so easy to get there. There's proof. There really is. Things like this, you're the inner blind item girl in me. It's like, Oh, this is it.

Yeah, the dominoes falling into place.

And I never would have thought that Diddy was at the helm of it. I don't know who I would have thought was.

I have some ideas.

Yeah, I feel like from the- You can't say.

If you read the blinds, there are people. We were in that compliance meeting in 2017, so we can't say. But there are some big names that are just- Can you text me who you think it would be? Yeah, I feel like who I think is not who would be top of mind for you. I feel like he really gets away on I feel like...

Okay, let me see who Jackie's saying.

Okay, this is the name that I think of first.

Oh my God, that's what I was going to say, because we think of the same blind item, this terrible story, right?

Okay, yes. But then here's another name that people always throw around, but if he wasn't so much in the blind, so for me, I don't feel as connected to it, but people really think this is the one.

Oh, yeah. By the way, he's the one.

You think?

Hold on.

Sorry that this is annoying, but we can't just be sling at names. No, and I would also love...

Is it slander? Oh, really? She is? Yes.

Is it slander as to what?

Ask people to sound off in the comments who they think of I don't think so. I don't think it is.

Okay, here's the thing.

When you think of this underground devil, demonic, when you go down that conspiracy, what celebrities do you come to mind for you being at the helm of this of pedophilia and human trafficking?

Yeah. Then there are some that are more known and not celebrities, though.

Cracking up from our text. I feel like that's for the close friend.

I think this one is really the Lynch pin, what I just sent you. What does Lynch pin mean?

Of course.

If it's a pyramid, it's top of the pyramid.

Yeah. He started it. Her, too. Wait, but look, I wrote one more thing.

It always is.

It always is. They always are. They always are. Sorry, that was annoying of us, but for my own health, I needed to have that conversation.

We need to get on the same page.

I guess we could have had the conversation and cut it out, but why make more work for ourselves?

Right. But also, so either we've just read the same lines. Which is true, or we all just think the same things, and we all have seen the same things.

And is it possible, and I just have to ask this question, the devil's advocate. Is it possible that this theory we all have about Hollywood and the elites, that it's fake? No, because then things quiet on set come out, and we feel vindicated. Do you know what I mean?

Yeah. I think not fake. I think there's a degree of truth through it, but it's just to what degree is it true? What percentage of Hollywood?

Is it worse than we thought, or is it smaller?

Yeah, that's what I think. Okay. Okay.

So we will keep you abreast. We're not going to let this story die.

Yes, we will. Oh, and as it regards Prince Harry was mentioned in the filing because the producer, Lil Rod, Rodney Jones, said in court documents that guests were drawn to Diddy's alleged sex trafficking parties due to the rapper's quote, Access to celebrity such as famous athletes, political figures, artists, musicians, and international dignitaries like British Royal Prince Harry. Okay. No one else was named in that sentence. That's rude.

No, it's really unfortunate, but I get what he was trying to say. Like, These weren't just... That's what we were saying before. These weren't just parties with Hilary Duff. It's another level of beyond celebrity, even super A-list celebrity. It's up there with the powerful people.

Yes. It's unfortunate. People were attracted to those parties for those reasons.

It's unfortunate, but I do feel like it's a perfect example. I think it makes... I understood what Rodney was saying. Sorry for Harry, but I think it was a necessary example. And by the way, if Harry was at a party, which, by the way, being at a party is not a crime unless it's the theme is human trafficking. What are we dressing as?

No. Also, a lot of celebrities are parties, and that's where we get these pictures where it's a nefarious actor with a celebrity. And of course, maybe the celebrity is nefarious as well, but maybe they're just not, and they're just there being a dumb celebrity at a party.

That's why all those pictures, right at the height of Epstein, it was so easy to get bogged down by conspiracy theories, because all these pictures Ghislaine Maxwell with every single celebrity, these Getty Images. It was just that's how these moronic parties work. If Ghislaine is a rich woman, so she's a host of this party, and it's benefiting a charity, every celebrity has got to take a picture with Ghislaine. It was really unfortunate for a lot of people who were... It was really unfortunate for a lot of people who were... Probably innocent, having their pictures with Ghislaine all over the internet. That sucks.

Well, our next story, someone else who's the talk of the town today, Andrew Huberman, as we said, a New York magazine article called Andrew Huberman's Mechanisms of Control: The Private and Public Seductions of the World's Biggest Pop Neuroscientist dropped yesterday, and it was a deep dive into Mr. Huberman himself, what he practices and what he preaches and the disparity between the two.

I, up until the middle, thought that this was a piece that Huberman sat for. And it wasn't until she said what his rep- His rep had responded to some charges. I thought it was just crazy that there was this big piece, and I thought he sat for that portrait that was on the cover. Anybody else?

No, that's his artwork that has just been distorted. But the vibe I got, maybe I'm wrong, but I think this reporter started as a big fan of Huberman and was listening to episodes, and became really interested in Huberman, and then wanted to write an article about him, and started digging into him, and found this thread that she then went off on. Okay.

I feel like at the beginning, I thought that might have been it, too. But no. I think that this group of five women, it ends up being about these five women who all connected because they realized at the same time they were in monogamous relationships with Andrew Huberman. They were all having unprotected sex with him. Now they're like, best friends, female friendship wins the Barbie movie, essentially. I feel like they took their story to someone. Then this woman backtracked and wrote this whole article from beginning to end. But the whole point of the article was these five women. The last three paragraphs were literally like, female friendship runs through the invisible string. They're best friends. They have this group chat. There's 100 messages a day. They're going to meet in real life and do getaway together. Camp Toast. I felt like- Camp Huberman. They had this story. They knew this salacious thing about a very famous, famous person, and they took it to a journalist, and she wrote an article about it. That's how I felt.

Okay, but the journalist is also saying that at one point, she listened to the podcast and has been implementing HuberTips into her everyday life.

It's the biggest podcast in the world. That's not shocking to me that someone who works in media would have listened to it. Yeah.

Then, obviously, she turned.

I think she got this story, and she made it personal, like a good journalist would.

Yeah. Here's the tale that she is telling. She talks about Huberman, the story that he sells, and then what's really going on with him. Here's one paragraph that seems to sum up what she's trying to say. She said, Huberman sells a dream of control down to the cellular level, but something has gone wrong. In the midst of immense Fame, a chasm has opened between the podcaster preaching dopaminergic restraint and a man with newfound wealth with access to a world unseen by most professors. The problem with a man always working on himself is that he may also be working on you.

At first, when I read the article, I was like, Oh, that's actually an interesting take. I feel like we talked about this with Jay Shetty. When your whole thing is minimalism and self-peace and shit like that, but then you're moderating, officiating JLo and Ben Affleck's wedding, how does that monk lifestyle of nothingness and the celebrity lifestyle of everythingness, how do you merge the two? At first, I thought, I'm like, You know what? That's an interesting take. But then it became very clear that it was just about this woman, Sarah. I had screenshotted a few things. Basically, Sarah was the major player out of these five women who he was seeing at the same time and having unprotected sex with. That was his biggest crime. I think the article tried to make it seem like being a cheater isn't the most ethical thing, but it's not a crime. But having unprotected sex with women who trust you is definitely an ethical gray area. It's not the right thing to do.

Yeah. It's just really crazy that I'm reading about Huberman's condom usage in New York magazine. It's something about... To me, it's like, This is not my plate. This is not my business.

But it became abundantly clear to me that there was a lot of stretching and reaching going on in this article when I read this slide. Sarah's relationship with Andrew began in February 2018 in the Bay Area, where they both lived. He messaged her on Instagram and said he owned a home in Piedmont, a wealthy city separate from Oakland. That turned out not to be precisely true. He lived off of Piedmont Avenue, which was in Oakland. Okay, that reminded me of Gary. Remember they said Gary didn't live in Ohio. He lived in Cleveland or whatever. No. Okay, by the way, people lie about where they live all the time. You live a little close to the Upper East Side. You're like, I live on the Upper East Side. Oh, my God.

It literally See, I live fly box away from the upper side. I'm on the upper side. That's literally- He wasn't on the upper side after all, and the lies didn't stop there.

It was Lennox Hill. It's not a big deal to...

Fudge the area that you live in.

Of course, everybody's always going to say they live in the nicer part of town.

Yeah. No. That's what kicks off his string of lies. The next nefarious act that he does is he's flaky. Huberman is a flake.

No, it's clear that he's one of these all-powerful men. I feel like when you're nerdy, I feel like you can go a couple of ways. When you get really famous for being nerdy, I feel like I could totally see you becoming a fucking monster who doesn't honor time commitments and who's rude. There was a lot about his flakiness, but a lot about his dog.

Oh, yeah. But you know what? It was reminding me of this article. It was reminding me a little bit about Elon when I was reading Elon's book and some of his quirkier behavior, I guess you would say. Then it reminded me of what Elon said on SNL. I'm a genius. You didn't think I was actually going to be a cool guy, too. I'm a weirdo.

There's obviously an element of Asperger's when it comes to Elon, correct? Yes. You can't be everything to everyone all at once. You can't be the coolest.

You can't be the smartest person in the world, constantly working on literally eight world-changing companies, and also just be a cool guy to be around. Right.

And grab a beer with.

Everyone's favorite guy.

I think that was becoming clear at the beginning of the article. He takes himself so seriously. He's obviously He's really smart. He acts like an ass because he thinks he can. He's someone I would literally never pursue a friendship or relationship with. He sounds like a nightmare. Nightmare.

But it's always the people who are like, yeah, you would think, Huberman has all of his protocols for ways to live your best life, physically mentally, mentally, and just get on the best page. I guess you might be surprised to find out that he's not perfect in his real life. It's Tony Robbins.

Yeah. But Tony Robbins was actually accused of a little bit more of a creep. I don't remember exactly, but it was like, the The really toxic workplace, sexual harassment in the workplace.

Yeah, nothing here is illegal. He's just being accused of being a flaky cheater.

Freak, creep. Honestly, big-time loser. But then there was this thread through the article where he He's too obsessed with his dog. I was like, Okay, that's also not a crime. I don't know why we're including this in the article. They didn't have that much because him caring about his dog... Listen to this. When they were together, he was buzzing, anxious. He's like, Oh, my dog needs his blanket this way. I'm like, Your dog is just laying there super cozy. Why are you being weird about the blanket? I literally wrote a note, Ben. The dogs are fine, and Ben is futzing with them nonstop. Is that article worthy? I don't think so.

No, that's me with Brew. His heating pad is not turned up to the level that he wants. Yeah, sure. He's okay, but he could be cozier.

You got to futz with the ones you love. It's called maturing in Yiddish. I do it with my needs. It's so funny because when I do it with Brew, there's a level of comedy to it.

But if you take that out, it sounds psychotic. It's maybe Huberman's just like, what's the word? Like, larping with his dog. Yes.

Then we get to the part of the article where he actually starts to do things that are unethical, like cheating on his partner. Sarah is the main girl, and I'm sure that's not her real name. This is when she discovers him cheating. In August 2021, Sarah says she read Andrew's journal and discovered a reference to cheating. She says she was gutded. I hear you are saying you are angry and hurt, he texted her that same day. I will hear you as much and as long as needed for us. You're at a point in a relationship where you're reading your man's journal, which is so invasive. Now, I feel like this is going to be probably my hottest take of the article.

I want to preface- But I also want to say it's as a reference to cheating. What is hardcore? I'm cheating on her. Also, was he not being honest in his journal? Because it turns out he's dating four people at the same time. Is that what you saw, the truth? Or do you see Is he lying in his journal?

And so, by the way, the next year, she discovers him cheating again, and it's because she's snooping through his phone. So this is obviously a relationship with no trust. And I hate... I don't know how to phrase this in a way where people aren't going to be like, Claudia, you're a misogynist.

Or that you're victim-blaming because if the rules were reversed, you would say about a man doing it to a woman. Right.

But I don't think it could be considered victim-blaming. He wasn't abusive. He was just a fucking freak. But it's like, this is a And by the way, Sarah has two kids. After she finds out he's cheating, after she claims that he would go on days where he was so angry, he was obviously a terrible, terrible partner and boyfriend. And just person, honestly. She takes her two kids, and she moves in with him. She moves to Malibu. She moves her whole family out to Malibu.

Especially when a lot of his anger was about her children, she said. She said he would get really angry.

She said having a second child was a big mistake, and you need to admit that.

He would get really angry that she's been with other people and that she has children, and that her having a second child was a huge mistake, and he would be really angry about that. So you stay with this person and you move in with him with your children?

The whole time in the article, they maintain that Sarah is a successful independent woman. She's a huge feminist. She's not someone who can be easily manipulated. They maintain that she's not a victim. She's this all-powerful woman. You're in this years-long toxic relationship with a man who says your children are a mistake, who has cheated on you, you've now discovered, who gave you an STD because you were like, I thought we're not having sex with other people. I just had a test of positive for HPV.

Yeah, so she was only having sex with him. He said he was monogamous, too. She never had HPV before, and then she test positive for HPV.

I just feel like there needs to be accountability on all parts. The thesis from this article is like, Andrew Huberman is a fucking freak. Absolutely everyone should stay away from him in regards to romantic and working relationships. Seriously, I would literally... It sounds like a nightmare. That is fact. But What is Sarah doing? What is Sarah doing? I don't know if it's so crazy that I'm saying this because I just feel like there are equal parts blame to lay on everyone. And these other women, we don't really hear from the other four just that he would see them for periods of time monogamously, but then it turned out that he wasn't monogamous. They didn't have as main of a role.

They were living with him.

Right. They didn't have a main role in the article. He would fly them out. But it was really Sarah. Sarah was his main girl. I couldn't wrap my head around the author saying, This is a powerful, smart, successful, feminist, independent woman who moves her two children in with a man who has cheated on her and who apparently goes on days long angry rants.

Right. And goes missing for days.

I don't know, something wasn't adding up. The thing is, all of this is told from Sarah's POV. Huberman did not down for this article. No, but he responds to a couple of the charges.

His rep denies certain things. Yeah. She straight up denied them. At a certain point, it's like he said, she said. There were also things that Huberman said that were in quotations, that Sarah said, Huberman said, and they are in quotations. Were they said over text, or how do you have a quote of that?

A lot of it was also transcribed podcast, which I found almost illegible.

No, but Sarah will say, We got into an argument and he said this.

Yeah.

How do you have a quotation of what someone said? Unless it was, Oh, they're all text messages, in which case the author should have said, I saw the text message said this.

I don't know. I just feel like it's very telling that this was a basically first-person description from Sarah. We don't even have it. There are two sides to every story. I think There's her truth, his truth, and the version of the truth. That's always the case. This is her truth. I don't find it that compelling on her behalf. We haven't even heard from Huberman in terms of how he say things went down. He comes back and says, No, that never happened, or, No, that was in 2021, not 2022. But we don't have his account of things.

No. And even there was one point where she says they were together, and she saw him cheating on her with someone on the couch in his living room. He lives in a glass house, and you could see. Yes, that's the third time. And so then she left. She took a picture of the woman's car just to try and find her afterwards, but couldn't find her. And it's like, okay, and he says at that time that they were not together, which they shouldn't be together after everything else that went wrong between them. So it's like, say they're not together. And she walks up to his house, is like, Peeping Tom. Peeping through his window, taking pictures, running place.

Running place. No, she does look a crazy person from a book. Yeah. Okay. Also, another line that I was just like, Oh, they really need things. In private, he could seem less concerned about patriarchy because the journalist spoke to a lot of women, and he liked sex that was very, I would say, traditionally traditionally heterosexual, submissive woman, man in charge, very much some of the novels that I read. Even though on his podcast- I'm sorry, look at him.

What do you think he looks? Of course.

He looks like a caveman. On his podcast, he preaches about patriarchy, but in the bedroom, he slaps a woman's ass. I'm sorry. I think actually two things can be true at once.

I'm sorry, but why are we reading this? This is not our business.

The whole article is really trying to make it seem like he's this master manipulator. Actually, you know what? I'm sure he is. But the article ends, and when the article ended this way, and I will read it to you, it was so deeply unserious. I don't even think the name Andrew Huberman was in the last three paragraphs. It's about these women. On any given day, one of the five the women, can go into an appointment and come back to 100 text from the group chat. Someone shared a Reddit thread in which a commenter claimed Huberman had a stable full of hose. And another responded, I hope he thinks of us more like care bears. At which point they assign themselves Care bear names. Him, you're the only girl I let come to my apartment, read a meme someone shared. Under it was a yellow lab looking extremely skeptical. They regularly use his usual response to explicit photos, to comment on pictures of one another's pets. They are holding space for other women who might join. This group has radicalized me, Sarah tells me. There has been so much processing. They are planning a weekend together Together this summer.

It could have been sad or bitter, says Eve, another woman. We didn't jump in as besties, but real friendships have been built. It has been in a strange and unlikely way. Quite a beautiful It was a beautiful experience. What's so crazy- That's the end of this pages long article.

This is a real life version of our favorite movie.

Barbie. The Other Woman. The Other Woman. Yeah, but I don't know why. When The Other Woman did it, it wasn't annoying.

No, because she saw he was cheating, and then she set to ruin his life, not moved in with him, knew exactly that he was a dirty scoundrel. Yeah. And then, I don't even know what had to happen here for her to finally be done with him unless he broke up with her.

Yeah, they never really even got to the end of the relationship, how it ended and when.

Then also the author then goes into his backstory because he tells this tale, this is how she sums it up. Of his life. Childhood. Of his childhood and the things that built him. She said, For the past three years, one of the biggest podcasters on the planet has told a story to millions of listeners across half a dozen shows. There was a little boy, and the boy's family was happy until one day the boy's family fell apart. The boy was sent away. He foundered, he found therapy, he found science, he found exercise, and he became strong. That's his origin story. His parents divorced. His parents were not there for him.

He said after the divorce, they neglected him, full Yeah.

I think he got into a bit of trouble. He was sent to a hardening school. For a month? For a month there, he found therapy, which opened up his world, and he found science and exercise and whatnot.

Then she also says on the other side of the coin- Science and exercise, yeah.

Honestly, he's Elizabeth Zott. And by the way, she's a freak, too.

Thousand %.

But she also says, then there's a version of Huberman's story, which is also the truth, where it's like, his father was a Stanford professor. He was born in Sanford Hospital, and he grew up to be a Sanford professor. It's not that crazy.

His mom was an author. He grew up like... It's not a hard life the way we would see it compared to someone else's.

Not absent of privilege, but he never said he came from impoverished circumstances or anything.

When he was in high school, he started getting into trouble. He was acting out after his parents' divorce, and they ended up sending him away for a month. She interviewed people who were in his high school and were like, Well, we never saw him getting into fights or getting into any trouble, so I don't know what they're talking about. I feel like that's not necessarily proof that he wasn't going through hard times. I feel like a lot of the times when kids are going through hard things, most of it happens at home, and they present a normal facing life when they go to school.

Literally. You can talk to a couple of people from high school. They don't know what the fuck. They're worried about themselves. They're not there to be a historian for one classmate who they never expect 30 years later is going to become a big deal.

Then she did try to infer that he might not have ever been sent away because Huberman wouldn't share, or his representative, wouldn't share the journalist what the name of the facility was called. Whatever the reason might be, either maybe he didn't go to a facility or he just didn't want her digging around in this place for things about him. Why give her a lead on a story? Figure it out yourself. You can't. She inferred, or she didn't say it, but she left it. It could be not true. It doesn't sound like he went to a facility.

It could be a lie is what she said.

Yeah.

That he's a liar.

I think with the Jay Shetty thing, which this reminded me of, they had There's a lot of concrete proof that when he said he wasn't in India, he actually was posting YouTube videos in North London. There was actual proof that he had been either confused or not telling the truth about his background. You can't for a certain, say that. That's one of the rules of journalism.

You have to have proof. No, but she didn't say it. She's just being dishonest and leaving it hanging there. She also tried to come for his lab at Stanford and say it's just a couple of classrooms on the second floor of a building. What? Then Stanford put out a statement saying, No, this is a functioning lab, and we're actually moving it to another building.

She also had said at the beginning that his lab was so popular. People come and visit tours. They have authorized personnel-only stickers on all the doors, so fans don't come. In the beginning of the article, there is a lab, but then later on, she questions whether the lab ever existed.

Yeah, and it's just a bunch of mice being sprayed, running around.

I don't know where I end with this because I really don't know Huberman. I'm not going to die on the stake for him. But I do feel like I read this account, and really, the whole article was Sarah's account of this relationship. I don't really think Sarah came out looking that favorable. It makes me think, once you hear someone else's side of the story, the truth is a version in the middle. I'm hearing your version, and it's not even that compelling. Yeah.

I see gaps for where he could be like, No, this is what happened, and this is where we thought we were at.

I just think Huberman is a guy who's really smart with a popular podcast who's a fucking freak, weirdo ass loser. Seriously, I don't know if that's It was worthy of an article of the cover of New York magazine, especially given how much it's going on in the world currently. I didn't think it was... It was a long article, and I read the whole thing, and I was bored by it. I was.

It was really long.

There was so much podcast transcription, which I didn't really... She was trying to make a point every time she transcribed a part of his podcast. She would find something where he said, I like cheese, and then she would tell a story from Sarah where he said he didn't like cheese. Just basically the whole thesis being the person you see on the podcast is not the person you see in real life. And I feel like that's fine.

I feel like that's fine, too. Especially because there was nothing that said this stuff that he's sharing is, Oh, they tried I'm not going to come for AG1, though. Oh, my God. I'm so glad you brought that up. Because there's nothing that says that the stuff that he's sharing isn't actually really beneficial, and people are changing their lives because of it. And that's a net positive thing. So how can we go and ruin it and ruin this person, of course? But the one discrepancy is that does ads for AG1, and then there are other people who are saying that AG1 doesn't have enough of the vitamins and minerals that they claim to have.

Did I screenshot that?

Because she said- I sent it to you.

Oh, then yes. She said that Another thing against him is that I think one of his biggest sponsors for every episode is AG1. She said, It is something to hear someone who sells himself as a Stanford University scientist, just back from the lab, proclaim that the $79 a month powder covers all your foundational nutritional needs. She said, In an industry not noted for its integrity, AG1, according to writer and professional debunker, Derek Barris. How is a writer and professional debunker, his word, more valuable than a scientist, first of all? And by the way, I don't know the science behind AG1. I just think that's not an equal thing. I just feel like with doctors, because I find this way, I feel this way about Ozempic. You can find a doctor to Whatever you want. I see doctors on social media doing podcast interviews saying one thing about Ozempic, and then another doctor saying the exact opposite on a podcast about it. They're both doctors.

Yeah. No, you really can find someone to say anything that you want.

It could be a doctor who went to a good school. It's not... And this guy isn't even a doctor. He's a professional debunker. That's not a job.

Right. And so he said that AG1 is not what... It doesn't have the benefits that he claims to have. Oh, therefore, Huberman's a sell-out?

Please I can't. I can't.

Yeah. I can't. It was a lot.

It was the stretch of the century.

Her arm hurts, I'm sure. One from all the typing. Well, for sure. And from all the reaching.

It was so unnecessarily long. I was just waiting for the big bombshell. I'm like, What did he do?

The craziest allegation to me in terms of, okay, am I in the weeds on his personal life now, is that day where he's flying in one girl, He's texting with another girl, sending him-Mating coffee, Eve for coffee. Like, literally the juggling is crazy.

Maybe that's because his tips are so useful.

He optimizes his life. He's too productive. He has too much free time.

He optimizes his life. He optimizes his-1,000%.

He's He optimizes his mistresses.

He has a... He thinks he's like a prophet. He has this obvious superiority complex. He thinks he's godlike. That's how these freaks, especially men, behave.

Yeah. Also, the way that he speaks, like turbo-Dopromogenic. Turbotherapy speak. He's the example of someone who- Is the first red flag.

Who really shows, maybe therapy is not for everyone. There is such thing as too much therapy. You don't have to be going to therapy your entire life.

Look what happens. This is what he said to someone, I'm willing to do the repair work on this.

I'm not a truck. I'm not a truck. No, but like, I want to fix this. Five words.

This sucks, but doesn't deter my desire and commitment to see you and establish clear lines of communication and trust.

I'm sorry. I want to work on this.

I want to work on things.

No, and you think he's so obsessed with productivity, he would use less words to save time.

Words salad, yummy, yummy. Humor Man edition.

No, Humor Man is a fucking freak.

I want to know who Eve, the actress, is.

Oh, of course I do, too. I have something crazy to say.

You think she's like community theater?

No, no, no, no. About who I thought it was.

Oh, I don't think you can say.

Oh, I have no proof. I just envisioned her in my head as this person. Okay, who? I have zero, zero proof. It is 100% not true. But every time the person was talking, I'm like, This sounds like Amber Heard.

Oh, that's so funny. She came to mind for me, too. But based on what I've read about Amber Heard, especially from Elon's book, she doesn't fit the profile.

Okay, okay.

She doesn't fit the profile. Amber Heard would never be the second in this story.

They gave no clues as to who Amber was. There's no Easter eggs that we can figure it. What did I say, Amber Heard?

You said who Amber was.

They gave no clues as to who Eve was.

Clearly, Amber Heard likes an evil genius.

No, it could be her.

I don't think Elon's evil.

No, for sure.

I wouldn't slander my boy like that.

Crazy. I enjoyed recapping that article immensely.

Yeah, that was fun. Honestly, I didn't even know what Huberman, that he He had all these credentials. He's very aggressive.

I didn't even know he was a professor.

Yeah, and that he does both. Get you a prof that can do both.

No. He's a freak, and I'm obsessed.

I just want to say that was the first time in my life I've said prof. What does it mean? It's shorthand for professor. Some people call their professors prof.

Who?

I just want to say I want to apologize because- Take it back. It was so wrong of me to say such a thing. It was so disturbing.

I've literally never heard that.

I I don't like the experience.

Okay, well, you have to learn when you try new things.

I tried something new on and it wasn't for me, and I wasn't being authentic to my true self. Prof.

I thought it was an abbreviation for profit. I'm like, Oh, because he thinks he's a prophet.

That's better because also it's prof, no? Professor.

It's 100% prof. Prof is profit. That's why I thought it.

Okay, if you're someone who uses PROF in daily life-Go away. Go away. Yeah, but is it prof or prof? Or is it neither?

It just... By the way, maybe people don't say that. I've never heard anyone say that.

Maybe people just write it.

Oh, for sure.

But there's no period after when they say it, when they write it.

I can't get bogged down in the mindset of losers. I really can't. Also, who's talking to their professor that much? I literally couldn't run a fast enough away from my professors. What if your professor was Huberman?

Could you imagine?

If my professor was Huberman, I could see a young impression with me, me coming upstairs with him.

Of course.

But that's the difference. Sarah, like they said a million times, was this accomplished, successful, smart, independent, feminist mother of two. Right. So either she wasn't or Huberman wasn't this Almighty powerful being.

And also, yeah, that raises a good point. If he was such a nefarious actor, he has students.

I just think if he was that crazy awful, they would be... When you an article like this and you do research into someone's background, there would be way more people, former students, former classmates, graduate, whatever, who would have come forward, not just five scorned ex-lovers.

No, the worst thing that he does in his life is that he's flaky and tardy, and he didn't take the camping trip when he said they were going to go camping.

The camping trip.

Can you imagine if every time, if there was an article about you and I was like, Claudia said that she was going to go to the Berkshire's, and we never went to the Berkshire's.

Oh, but that was weird. When the guy spent his own money getting scuba Huberman certified? That is so mean. He was in such a dick, but also like, What is this guy doing?

No, the moral of the story is, I don't want to hang out with Huberman. I don't want to talk to Huberman. I don't want to date Huberman.

But he still can have a successful podcast.

Yeah, two things can be true.

Yeah, and I could imagine myself listening to his podcast being like, Oh, my God, this guy's insufferable.

No, especially if he talks on his podcast the these texts are. I don't know how so many people listen to that.

I know. And by the way, did you see Spotify just released their... They never released their numbers, but they did just release what the top subscribe to shows are, which really is a meaningless figure. You can have a ton of subscribers, and nobody listens to your podcast. But a bunch of people listen to your podcast, but they just don't subscribe. So it is a meaningless number. But Huberman is officially the number two podcast. Oh, no, he was number three after Ted Talks. But I don't like to consider The Daily and NPR or all of these. I don't like to consider them actual competitors. I think it's more impressive. To be a billion dollar media company, you better have the biggest podcast. I think of Joe Rogan, Huberman, people starting their own shtick. So impressive. Huberman was right behind Joe Rogan.

Well, I think that makes sense because I think a lot of Huberman's audience came from Joe Rogan, who already listened to a podcast on Spotify because he goes on Joe Rogan so often. I think that's where he got his start.

I think it was, too. Yeah.

Huberman was always just an idea to me. I'm glad to know that actually what I thought Huberman was is what he does, talking about sunlight, drinking water.

To have a energetic energy.

Okay, but what is he saying about coffee? The video that... What was the thesis? You have to- Don't drink coffee or do drink coffee?

Do drink coffee, but not immediately after you wake up. He said, Minimum 10 minutes you have to go by after you wake up.

The fuck drinks coffee within 10 minutes of waking up? Within five.

Oh, a lot of people. No, a lot of people do it before they brush their teeth.

No, you pee, brush your teeth, and then you have to brew it. It takes a few minutes.

I think you should get your sunlight in before that, something like that.

I don't think that 10-minute thing is a real tip because that's done. Also, don't you roll over and scroll your- Who wakes up immediately?

I definitely think the Huberman lifestyle is probably not for us.

But I think a lot of it is actually pretty obvious based on what you're saying. I think Hubermeister's wake up immediately, though, because I think snoozing and scrolling on your phone- Is against Hubermeister productivity. Is bad for productivity, and I agree with that. See, of bad news, calamitous events.

Oh my God, Jackie, we're already over an hour.

Oh my God, this is the second story.

We talked about Hubermeister for 40 minutes. I could talk about it more. We did P. Diddy. I forgot about that.

I'm not done with Huberman.

I'm never going to be done with Huberman.

Look at the man. I'm obsessed. We'll never be done.

My king right there. No, I'm totally kidding. No, but these are the unintended consequences of dumb fucking journalism like that. It's like, aren't these journalists embarrassed to be falling into this trope of like, Oh, someone gets successful overnight. Let's go find their tweets and talk to a next girlfriend. Don't you want to be taken seriously as a writer?

Because you're a joke now. This behavior gets rewarded in the world of journalism, and they do get taken seriously as writers in their own little world. Bubble. I'm sure it was a good day for the author, but I don't know. I was seeing a lot of the reaction tweets.

And by the way, I didn't look, but the author was a woman. Yes.

I see her.

Not that it matters. I just wanted to know. It felt like it was written by a I do mean that in a negative way.

No, it would be weird if a man wrote this about women. It's women's voice. I think it's appropriate that it was written by a woman.

I agree. I was kidding. Yeah.

So Oh, that's the latest. We'll wait for Huberman to release a statement or a video.

I know. By the way, do you think what is Hubermeister's PR strategy going to be? Just onto the next. The only place he would really say something is his podcast. He doesn't seem like the type of person to release a statement on Instagram.

I I don't know. It depends how much he cares about public opinion. If he's really a renegade, he's like, Fuck him.

Well, sometimes people do care about public opinion, but these types of situations where they get attacked by the media, turn them into a renegade. Fuck him. That's how a lot of people end up renegades.

I just don't think, how old is he? 40 something professor, that he's going to crawl into the shell over this.

I don't think he's going to give a fuck, honestly. Because also- If he is as nutty as the article made him seem, he won't care.

I don't know, actually. If he's as nutty as the article making him seem, he's going to freak out.

No, because she really alluded many times to him being a narcissist, and narcissists love attention, even if it's bad. Tom Sanoval.

Well, I also think that this article, aside from us, has not had the intended effect. Agreed. I think a lot of people are reading right through this and being like, Okay, yeah, if this were my boyfriend, I wouldn't like this. But this is someone's It's your personal business.

No, also a lot of people feel like this article was paid for by Big Pharma because Huberman is very much like anti-pharma, bettering yourself through wellness and nature. He has a really enormous influence, and he might be hurting Big Pharma.

That's the conspiracy theory I like.

Yeah, it's giving Dope-sick.

They're trying to take down Huberman because Huberman is getting people off medication.

Yeah.

Claudia, you just cracked the case wide open.

I did it. That's what people were saying.

They cracked the case.

Yeah. Because he's like, Go eat a plant instead of taking an Advil, things like that.

If you live well, then you'll find that you don't need as much medication and all those things. It's true. I'm glad we got to the bottom of that.

Me too.

It's always big pharma.

So true.

Are you ready for our next story?

I just want to make sure your camera is still recording and stuff. I just get like, pitch-bill.

So far, yeah.

Me and Jackie were saying yesterday before the show that we feel like we're due for a tech issue.

A tech malady.

If it went off during Huber Meister recap, I would have been so upset. So I'm glad we're still good.

We're still good. Our next story, our next three are light pop culture, so we'll try to keep it under 2 hours. Sook Yee, Waterhouse, and Robert Pattynson have welcomed their bebe. They confirmed the arrival of their first child on a sweet family stroll in LA this week.

It's really, really, really hard I don't want to see people out here living your dream. For real, this one hurt. I actually happen to really like Sook Yee Waterhouse, which softens the blow, but it's tough. That family stroll, I think they had the Bugaboo, whatever everyone has.

No, I don't recognize This is a stroller emblem, which is curious to me. I love seeing what strollers people have. I'm obsessed with strollers. It looks like a Bugaboo or Up A Baby, but it's not. I wonder what it is.

Well, I'm sure a mom group has figured it out.

Yeah, maybe it's a British brand.

Yeah, but they were in LA, no?

Yeah, but maybe because they're such British influence, there's a British baby brand sent them stuff.

I feel like them having this baby quietly and not announcing it. The only reason we know is because they went for a stroll and took a picture. This baby could be a month old. We don't even know. So elite of them. They are so chic and so fabulous. Again, that should be me holding his hand. That should be me birthing his babe. But I'm happy for them.

Me too. They hadn't announced the gender, but I think because they went for the pink stroller, it's a girl.

I guess that's like, yeah. Very heteronormative of us. No, not heteronormative.

It's heteronormative of I have to assume, but I think- I think it's the same. It's a fair assumption.

What do we think the name is going to be? They're so...

It's definitely going to be something like- Archer. No, that's a little I'm serious. I feel it would be more something like Willow.

Tree. Rain. What did you say?

Tree pain.

Oh, I said rain.

Oh, but sunny. Water. Something breezy like that.

Stream. Breezy. I love the name Breezy.

Breezy Patinson.

Love. Probably Breezy Waterhouse Patinson. That's a mouthful.

There are a couple that I would like to know their baby name.

Me, too. Because this is so oddly traditional of them. I feel like as two individuals, they're so unorthodox in so many ways, very artistic, free spirit energy. Them just getting together and having a baby is so 1960s of them. Love Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story?

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Our next story is a little movie news. Timothée Chalamet has transformed into Bob Dylan on set of the new Bob Dylan biopic. I didn't realize he was playing him.

I had saw this on TikTok or something.

But Timothée will star as the folk musician in the upcoming film called A Complete Unkown. He was photographed Sunday, spotted, strolling around New York City's Chelsea neighborhood in another outfit, reminiscent of Dylan's wardrobe.

I feel like to be a male actor right now is to lose a role to Timothée Chalamet. Is he ever not... He's literally the biggest movie star. June, Wanka. He's everything.

He's literally the biggest movie star. How did that happen?

He's always filming. I don't know. He's so tiny. I feel like it's so actually emblematic of this generation, where what we find to be the most attractive male... Prior to this, we had Miles Teller, our Brad Pits, our big, strong, strapping men. Now, styles have changed. Skinny, short, feminine men are the vibe. That's Timothée Chalame. He is his generation's bond.

Yeah, he is 5'10. It's not short, but it's not...

It's short. It's short for the The beauty standard.

But I also feel like sometimes men in Hollywood are short, like Tom Cruise.

Yes, they're shorter than you think.

Yeah. What's Kylie's height? Do you think they're still together? She's 5'6. She's shorter than I thought.

Are they still together? I don't know.

I hope so.

I hope so, too.

They're my favorite couple now.

I was just into them, but I'm into whoever Kylie's into. It's true. When her and Travis were really public, and they did that Vogue thing where they sat and answered questions about each other, I was obsessed. Yeah. She makes me like whoever she likes.

Yeah, that's true. I think they're still together.

Now, Bob Dylan. This is going to be one of the most embarrassing things I'm ever going to say.

I'm glad you're saying it because I'm I'm not making it.

Bob Dylan isn't black? I think I get Bob Dylan confused with Bob Marley. Yes. Who the fuck is Bob Dylan?

Who the fuck is Bob Dylan? I don't know. I think he's a folk singer.

Let me pull him up on Spotify. I'm 90% sure that Bob Dylan is actually Jewish, and he's a very famous, proud Jew whose work we should know. I do know that he sing, he's the one who originally wrote that Adele song, To make you feel my love.

Are you sure about that? Why would he have- No. Oh, he wrote... Oh, wow. Okay. Claudia, we're really dumb. Knocking on Heaven's Door.

Knocking, knock, knocking. To me, that could have been Bob Marley.

Like a Rolling Stone?

Not familiar.

Blowing in the Wind. Is that the answer? My friend is blowing in the wind.

Yes.

The answer is blowing in the wind. Hurricane. Every song is called Hurricane.

By the way, make you feel my love. Yes or no?

No, I just went to his Spotify. Bob Dylan. Why would he have written that song?

I think he wrote it, and it was successful for him. But then Adele covered it, and now everyone thinks it's Adele's song.

Oh. Did he write it? Oh my gosh, yes.

Yeah. No, I'm smart like that.

Excuse me, that's not Adele's original?

Oh, no, you didn't know that?

No.

Oh my God, no. That song always makes me think of that episode of Glee after Fin died. We used to sing in the car, and I used to sing alone. Oh, so sad. Yeah, he wrote that song, and Adele covered it and popularized it.

That just knocked me off my feet. Yeah. Okay. So yeah, Bob Dylan. Let me see Bob Dylan, Jew.

Yeah, he is Jewish. It's all coming back to me now, but I definitely confuse him and Bob Marley.

Yeah, me too.

Because I thought there would be more backlash over Timothée Chalamet playing Bob Dylan. Oh, yeah.

If Bob Dylan- Big Jew.

Yeah. I feel like, actually, I need to see this movie, given the fact that I know nothing.

Do you think that the actor should have been a Jew? Timothée Chalamet is Jewish.

He is Jewish. No, I was going to say, I thought there would be backlash because I thought Bob Dylan was black. I'm like, Timothée Chalamet playing this great black artist. Where is the outrage?

Yeah. No, Claudia.

I was wrong. I was wrong.

Oh, so it's a good casting.

Yes. Actually, I feel like we should see this movie because it sounds like we need to I respect Bob Dylan a little bit more.

For sure. So we will see the movie. Yeah. It's like, I wouldn't know anything about Johnny Cash if I never saw Walk the Line.

It's so true. A biopic.

It's important.

Really educates. I can't know everything about everyone.

I'm sorry. Okay? It's so true.

What's a biopic? What's your favorite movie biopic? That's a good question because we loved Walk the Line growing up.

We did. I need to see a list of biopics.

Yeah. Elvis, obviously, that's definitely not my favorite.

But it wasn't It was a good movie, but not an amazing biopic.

What, Elvis?

Yeah. I agree. Because it was not serious.

No. Learning someone start to finish, how their career went is fascinating. I don't like when movies zone in on two weeks in someone's life.

Oh, totally. Okay, this list of biopics is not what I am looking for because they're not all famous people in that sense.

Yeah. I watched the... What's her name?

The Wolf of Wall Street is technically a biopic.

Oh, my God. I hate when Google doesn't get us.

He doesn't understand the assignment.

So annoying.

Biopic movies. Secretariat, that was a great biopic about a horse.

That's not what I'm talking about.

Celina was a very good biopic. It was.

Yeah. Educational.

That was getting a position. What's here already? One Life.

Lol. Oh, I mean, Bohemian Rhaps and Elton.

Oh, yeah, Elton. No, I wouldn't... Those were really popular biopics, but in terms of being really good and deep, they were just fun.

Yeah, and beautiful.

Yeah.

Like, really well done.

I feel like... Honestly, Walk the Line, from everything I'm seeing.

Walk the Line was really good.

Was really good.

Yeah.

Okay. They're saying Amadeus also about Mozart, but I heard that wasn't good.

Where did you read that on your Mozart fan fiction forum?

Did you even know there was one... Oh, it's from 1984, so it's like...

You probably would love it. You should watch it. Maybe I will. Report back. I want a two-page essay on Ava Deas.

Okay.

That is funny.

Yeah. Like, Oh, I, Tanya.

That's not what I'm talking about.

Okay, move on. I agree.

It's not- Move on, please. I can't with the research. We're heading nowhere.

The Greatest Showman.

Yeah, done.

Okay, fifth and final story. The Bachelorette has been named, and it is the first Asian leading lady for season 21. Oh, did I know that? Jen Tran, who was a contestant from Joey's season, which I saw just ended. She has been named the leading lady for The Bachelor at season 21.

I feel like The Bachelor this season, like Loki, was making waves.

I feel like Loki, it was good. Classic. When I say Loki, I feel like Tom Hiddleston.

Loki?

That's his character, right? I think so. Yeah. Loki, that's how I say it. Bachelor. The Bachelor looks good this season.

Yeah, well, it's over, and I just saw who won.

I saw pictures, but I feel like I wouldn't know if I... If I had a sick day soon, I think I might binge The Bachelor.

Oh, that's crazy. It's over. Please don't waste your time binging something that you can't recap on the podcast.

Oh, that's so true. But unless I did it tomorrow and I could recap the whole season. But no, also, I can't watch week to week, though. I can't do that for The Bachelor.

No, it's insufferable. I won't go back there. I don't care if it's... Keeping up at the Bachelor was some of the worst years of my life. You cannot make me go back there. I don't care if it's the best shit on the planet.

Now I'm at a place where I'll see headlines about two people from Bachelor in Paradise. They think they just got engaged. I don't know the name. Never heard the name before. Never saw this person. I'm so out. Where I feel like for a while, it was still residual people. Now I've cycled through, and these all are a new. But I do think if you are a bachelor watcher, this was a good season.

Yeah, I think so, too, because I saw people talking about it, and I haven't seen people talking about it in probably two, three years.

Also, even that story made headlines where he said that it had an old-school vibe.

Joey grabbed Zadine. He was funny and cute and dumb. I liked it.

Malta had an old-school vibe.

Malta does have an old-school vibe, and I feel that, Joey.

I do. Yeah. Now, their next leading I think people are really excited about. She looks adorable. Fabulous. I hope that they're having a renaissance over there.

I just think it's funny, the Bachelor, it's 2020, whatever, is still having their first this, first that. They are so behind, and they're catching up. You know what? I was actually thinking about the other day. The way that we got a quiet on set, I feel like we need something about Bachelor Nation at its height. I think we need the rise and fall of Bachelor Nation, including Mike Fleiss, the Chris Harrison thing We need a comp. What the fuck happened? How do you go from being literally the biggest phenomenon in pop culture? Like, literally setting the tone. Every celebrity watching your show, millions. Like, literally, even a bad season had seven million viewers. This was a post the cable peak. What the fuck? I need an explanation on what happened in documentary format.

I wonder what it was.

A lot of people blame the Chris Harrison drama But I feel like it was over before that.

When was it over for you?

Claire Crawley. I think that this is when it's over for me.

But I watched Matt James' season.

Was that after? Yeah. I watched it, too. Then who was after Matt James? I feel like it was Claire after. No.

Because Matt was on Claire's season, though. Hold on. Who?

Yeah.

List of Bachelorette.

Who? Clayton. Clayton. We definitely didn't watch that, but I feel like there was someone before that.

Who came after Matt James? Who was the girl? Bachelorette. Oh, they had the two. Okay, Claudia. It was like Michelle Young. Oh, Gabby. No, that girl. Claudia, what's her name? The pilot. No, no, no. They were after Gabby and Rachel. No, but for Matt James' season, Claudia, Katie with the Dildo. I know.

I think I might have finished Matt James' season and left it at that.

Then I didn't watch... It was Katie and then Michelle, and I didn't watch Katie.

Did you watch Michelle? No.

Then I stopped. That was the last I watched. If I had to blame someone for me.

It would be Katie. That, to me, would be an enticing documentary. I also feel like there was a lot that went on behind the scenes, and I think a lot of the lead have their NDAs have run out. I think a lot of them would if they're no longer involved in the franchise. I feel like a lot of them had weird things with Mike Fleis. I want to hear.

Yes, I agree with you. It's right for nefarious behavior, but I also feel like a lot of the bachelor people, especially former bachelor people who don't have NDAs, they have platforms and they have podcasts. If they had a story that they wanted to tell, they're in the business of storytelling, and they would have.

Perhaps. Perhaps.

I don't know how much there there is that we don't actually already know. I feel like we know a lot.

We do.

I feel like it is what you think it is. Like the show, Unreal.

Exactly. Even when Unreal came out, it made The Bachelor look so bad. The Bachelor was so big, it couldn't be taken down. How do you go from that to being the most relevant child?

It was made by former Bachelor producers.

You knew they were harping on real experiences? Yeah. That was today's Fast Five. I had such a blast. I love when the stories give.

I just don't think we could call it the Fast Five.

The fastidious. What does that mean?

Like stallwort?

I feel like that works.

The stallwort five. Even though that's not what we were trying to say, but that's a good word. Fastidious. Very attentive to and concerned about accuracy and detail. I would say the fastidious 5. And then what's stallworth? Loyal, reliable, and hard working.

Also good. Also applies.

The fastidious stallworth 5.

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That's exciting. It is exciting.

And it's lunch. Excitement excites me. And it's lunch. Goodbye.

Love you. Bye.