Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to the toast and happy Wednesday. It is hump day. That's right. So don't forget to hump someone you love. Speaking of somebody I love, it's my co host, my sister, my reason de tar. It's Jax.

Reason de e tar. Is there a higher compliment in the land?

I wouldn't know because I actually don't know what reason de etar translates to. I just know it's like reason for.

Reason for reason why I wake up in the morning.

Well, the reason why I wake up in the morning these days is Tromio. Specifically this morning because one Ben software celebrity left super early on a flight. I'm alone with Tromio for the next couple of days. Like single parenting it, and I'm not looking forward to it, especially the morning ones. Ben does it in the morning, and today I seriously was really. However. However, yesterday was our first no accident day.

Put a one up on the board one day without accident.

I do think I have a better chance of having more accident free days with Ben Soffer celebrity being out of town. And now that's not to say that he's a neglectful parent or anything. I just think I have a better chance of having more accident three days with him gone. Because Ben just sort of like, marches to the beat of his own schedule when there's very clearly a schedule we're supposed to be following that was given to us by the trainer. He has a hard time following rules. He's like, oh, it's sad he has to go in the crate. It's actually not sad. That's his home. It's very like, I have no qualms about putting Romeo in the crate. Ben thinks it's literally like, abuse.

Yeah, no, these next few days will be good for the schedule and also good for your bonding as you further cement your role as primary caregiver in.

Favor of parent as number know giver in this. But, you know, yesterday was a big day. Very proud of Romeo, and it was so gorgeous outside. What were you going to say?

Oh, one, one. We have a one up on the board.

Yesterday was like the first nice day, and people in New York treat it like it's seriously 95 degrees.

Were they laying out in Central park?

So let me tell you, I was in the park because I did my first session with the running coach, which went fabulously, might I add.

Really?

I can't lie. I loved it. I'm just that girl running. And I know everybody's looking at me running, being like, oh, my God, she's gorgeous. She's athletic. I want to be her. The way we all look at other runners, I'm her now. And I could tell everyone in the park was, like, deeply jealous of me.

And really, did they all stand up and start clapping?

They were in awe of my athleticism, and it was busy because it was really nice out. So there was, like, people, schools, elderly people getting engaged, things like that. And they were kind of in my way on the trail. So I was, like, being such a classic runner, just sort of, like, cutting through, like, beep bop, boop bop, giving very much, like, pinball energy.

Do you not think that you're one of those cliche first day of spring people getting out there and getting after it?

Yeah, but what people in the park were saying about me is that it wasn't cliche because I was so elegant in my running.

It's like, you do this every day, not just on the first nice day.

Right? So sorry. Having said that, Romeo and I spent so much time outside yesterday because my building has a lot of outdoor area. There's also a little dog park in my building, and, oh, my God, everyone in the building was out and about. It was just one of those days, and it's really nice again today, but it's not going to be the same as yesterday. Yesterday was the first day everyone was out.

Having a dog really allows you to get to know your neighbors and your neighborhood, because you're just, like, on the street in front of your building. Multiple times a day, you see the same people, like, going to work, coming back from work. Everyone makes this. Oh, yeah, cutie.

Let me tell you something. I'm so glad you said that. You just reminded me of something. So at my old building, there was another cavalier in the neighborhood. And not to be so rude, it was, like, one of the ugliest dogs I've ever seen in my entire life. I hated this dog. And the owner always wanted Theo to play. And Theo was outside for a reason. He was like, let me take this dub so I can get my ass back upstairs. He was not a dilly dallyer. He didn't, like, know roam the streets, and he certainly didn't want to hang out with this nasty looking mut.

He didn't like to roam meow.

Exactly. So it was just this thing, like, me and Ben, whenever we'd get back from the walk, be like, oh, we saw the like. It was just like this funny family inside joke I haven't thought about know since I moved. And since Theo passed, I'm walking to work the other day, I see the lady, but she'd never dog and I'd never mind. So she didn't recognize me. And it took me 45 seconds to place her.

And without your dogs, why would you talk?

No, of course not. But by the way, she's the type of lady who would talk is what I'm saying.

For sure. No, but they're the reason to tear. Other than the dogs, like, the two of you are just strangers passing.

And with my new building, since there's a big dog community in my building, because it's a very dog friendly building, and actually the super has a dog. And Theo. Excuse me, Romeo. Romeo had, like, a little playdate with the super's dog this morning, and I just feel like I'm about to get some special treatment, like, for real in the building.

It's true. It's a great way to make friends, get building tea, because you're just around in the lobby all the time outside the front of the building.

You just see stuff. You're right, actually, yesterday I found out the craziest thing about my building because they're changing the name of the building.

That's weird.

And they were actually asking if you had any ideas. Like, you can put it forward. The names of buildings are meaningless. It could be called the like. Oh, I should put that forward.

You should.

So they're changing the name. You're right. I do learn a lot about my surroundings.

Interesting. A building rebrand. I'll try and think of some names for you guys.

So Ben's out of town. My best friend Abe is out of town. So I really have nobody come here. Literally, Romeo. I mean, training Tromio in a backyard would be so much fucking easier than what I'm currently doing. By the way, what if it, like, Ben just came home and I was gone?

Romeo should be here. He should be here standing with his arm around brew here.

He really should. We'll talk about it. Oh, speaking of things we're doing offline, today's such a fabulous day. One, it's Wednesday, which is just always good show energy. Two, programming update is that we both are fully caught up. And we watched a new episode of Vanderpump Rules yesterday. So instead of deer toasters today, we're going to do that tomorrow. And today we're going to do a big recap of Vanderpump rules because I watched three episodes last night. And if that weren't enough, today at 05:00 p.m. Eastern time for our Patreon subscribers, which you can still join. As of this moment, we are doing a YouTube live show. We love doing a live podcast. It's kind of. It's cocktail hour. It's 05:00 p.m. Eastern time. The day is winding down. Jackson Turdy are doing a little toast after dark. We play some of our favorite games. We talk about pop culture. You probably get a Tromio pov.

True.

And it's just something we like to do once a month sometimes on Patreon. It's so fabulous. It's for members only, so if you head to patreon.com toast, you can become a member. Now, just in time to see us live at 05:00 p.m. Eastern time. There's a chat. You can write with the other toast.

We read the comments, so it's very interactive and fun. And it's truly the toast after dark. Even though 05:00 these days, it's nice and sunny thanks to daylight savings.

Yeah, let's talk about that too. How is that going for you?

The toast before sunset? It's going great for me. I'm loving every minute. I'm loving every minute of having extra daylight.

I agree, because you know what I've been doing recently? I've been praying for daylight and it's finally come to fruition. And it's definitely a mood booster. It's good for my health.

It is. Now we can play outside after dinner.

Oh, that's cute.

And now I'm like, what did we do for the last five months? After dinner, I guess it was like already dark, so it just felt more like sleepy time vibes. Whereas now, even at 07:00 it's still light out, so it's not bedtime.

Does that change your kids bedtime?

It hasn't really, but you would think that it would. But I guess we just play up until bedtime, then, like change in bed and that's it. No wind down? The wind down happens earlier, I guess.

Got it. It's really just better. And I was suffering. I don't know if I shared this kind of personal medical news on the show. I was diagnosed with a vitamin d deficiency and so I'm hoping this extra hour. Yeah, I remember.

We all know that she needs the d. She needs it now. She needs amounts with daylight savings.

That'll help my d deficiency.

You would hope. One could argue for your deficiency vis.

A vis of the d, right? Do you remember sunny D?

But Ben's out of town, so perhaps not.

Do you remember Sunny d?

Sure.

The drink.

Yeah. Why wouldn't I? Have I fallen on my head? I was just thinking about that, like, what happened to Sunny D. I canceled.

How many kids literally got cancer from sunny D? Like, that shit was just not healthy.

Rocket fuel for children.

Literally.

We know too much now, but I.

Feel like, do they still sell it?

Maybe. And brave souls are buying it. But I think also probably what they've done is they just kind of have repackaged it to be like sunny D. Organic.

Right. Funny d I'd drink that.

Oh.

I mean, I don't need to.

Funny d deficient.

What the lady said. What the lady said. So, dear, toasters, postponed to tomorrow. Vanderpump rules today. Jackson, turdy. Turdy and Jax. Okay. Wait. Bryson, streis.

Bryson, rice.

Bryson, rice. Is that what we're calling the boys and Streis? I feel like it's going to be like, trow and bro.

I like that. Let's just see where let the chips. We don't have to plan these things. That's one thing that we don't have to work hard at, is the jargon and the lingo evolving and doing what it does.

And I think we should just let.

The chips fall where they may.

I think that would be the right thing to do.

I think it's, generally speaking, always the right thing to do. Like, when in doubt.

Do you think so?

When in doubt, let the chips fall where they may. Every once in a while, you must place chips, manipulate them, arrange chips, because maybe they fell in a way that wasn't best.

Yeah.

But generally speaking, you may let chips fall where they may.

Can I say something else totally off topic, but complimentary of you, so I know you'll embrace this topic change I will allow. You've been looking so small recently, like, just petite and frail. How is your health journey going? I know it's something you've been working on.

I've been working really hard on my health journey. And mathematically on the scale, I'm not seeing the movement that I want to see, but I feel really good, so I'm trying not to let that bog me down. I think my body's, like, fighting me and they're like, bitch, we know you're about to get back into your bag of chocolate and go to the chocolate tear. We're not going to start moving numbers.

I think they call that a non scale victory. No, for real.

Who?

The community.

Which community?

There are benefits of healthy living that aren't weight loss.

No, I understand, but where does that term come from? An NFV I feel like maybe like.

A dietitian came up with it. I'm not sure, but I have found.

Like, I hate it, but it's just, like, over describing just. I feel good.

But there are other non scale victories besides feeling good. That's what I'm saying. You might not see the results you want on the scale, but your clothes fit better.

Yeah.

So that would be a non scale victory. Little things like that.

No, I like the term.

It's just I know you have a hard time with the new age language that comes up with phrases and words.

That comes up with medical, clinical terms for things that. It's just like, I felt good today.

By the way, that's not a clinical term. It's not a medical term. It's literally an Internet term.

You don't think soon the doctor is going to be like, have you had any non scale victories recently?

You know what? I could see it.

I could see it.

So what was the most recent non scale victory that you had?

Most recent non scale victory that I had.

Because I would say mine. Maybe yours would be similar, was yesterday when I ran with my coach. I walked home afterwards. I wasn't going to collapse.

Yeah. We did the same program of training yesterday, and I felt good. I felt fine. Like, it was hard, but good.

Yeah. Didn't that feel good?

That did feel good.

Yeah. So I would say that's an NSV.

Oh, yeah, I ran, too, yesterday.

I then, you know, told Jackie what we worked on in the training so you could mirror that remotely.

Consider it mirrored remotely.

Thank God. Like, thank fucking God it has been.

Mirrored in a remote fashion.

I have to thank you. And I didn't tell you this. Yeah, we're going viral on TikTok because of your Kenny Ortega clip.

Tell me more.

Let me pull it up.

They're just for TikTok to be banned. I have my moment.

I heard it passed the house floor this morning.

But does it have to pass the senate, too, or already pass the senate?

I'm not sure. But then I did hear Joe Biden say if it makes it to his desk, he's going to pass it, too. Everyone's kind of on board.

Interesting. Elon's not on board.

He's not?

No. I saw a headline this morning. I think he thinks it's government censorship.

Okay. So it's at 700,000 views.

Sorry.

Okay.

Yes. Wow, cool. Thanks. Just in time for the bam.

Here are some of the top comments.

Oh, okay.

He directed hocus pocus, high school musical, and cheetah girls. That man's movies formed my personality. Like, people just agreeing with you. And I feel like these aren't even toasters. Like, we're really just somebody else. I actually gasped because of how perfect this was. That was, like, my feelings as well. By the. This. Kenny Ortega could do the departed, but Scorsese could never do high school musical, literally.

I think Kenny Ortega also did descendants, which doesn't get its flowers because it's for the younger generation.

Yeah.

But I'm glad that we can all unite around Kenny Ortega. And how would you feel if TikTok gets.

Like, such a good. So this is going to be so obnoxious. But there was a time when I first started my career, people used to always say, like, if Instagram were gone tomorrow, what would you do? And honestly, I was like, I don't know. Now I'm at a place where I feel I'm a multiplatform content creator.

You're a multi platform artist.

But also, I am, by the way, multi award winning as well. Instagram's not going, you know, that problem's kind of solved. I feel for the TikTokers, who I'm sure their parents have always been like, well, what happens if TikTok disappears tomorrow? And it might disappear tomorrow for sure. I would remain unaffected career wise, which I think is fabulous and makes me feel really good, honestly, about the business that we've built, that we have things everywhere. In terms of my days freed up, hours back, I think I would miss. It's like an addiction, kind of like, I think I feel about it the way I felt about my vape. I loved it, but I knew it was bad for me and that when the day came when I would be rid of it, I would feel good when that day came. I think that's how I feel.

Let me just tell you, I'd be.

Thrilled we didn't even ask because we.

Know how I'd be thrilled to know that standing on the sidelines will have paid off for me. And I never needed to build my business on TikTok because it's washed away.

Well, you say that like, very cavalier.

Knowing that the toast has been doing well on TikTok. Yeah.

And I was working on your behalf, for sure.

But the toast success has little to do with.

For sure. For sure. But you say your TikTok's older sister, who introduced them to you. It's not like you were completely absent.

From TikTok, didn't know me. That's true. That's true. So thank you for that and for the people who found us from TikTok, I will always be grateful, but I also know you would have found us otherwise because we are of your elk and elk finds elk.

That's true. By the way, on an actual serious note, if TikTok were banned, I would actually feel very relieved about the future for my children. Like, for real.

That I would feel very relieved about more relief. Not relief in general, but there would be more relief about everyone's mental health. Everyone's just falling down the same rabbit holes, finding themselves to be, like, experts on a certain subject, even, like, as benign as the, oh, no, Kate Middleton. Everyone's having so much fun. But there are all these titanic conspiracy theories that people really just believe now because they've seen it on TikTok and they're so unfounded. But because you saw a TikTok, that makes you an expert.

It does.

And, you know, I take titanic misinformation personally.

Obviously, you're really taking this personally. Calm down.

I wanted to use a benign example because, of course, dama bin Laden, like, of.

Yeah, no, it's a slippery slope into, like, actually. I mean, it's like a radicalization platform for a lot of kids when it comes to the war in Israel and anti Semitism. And then it's kind of emblematic of that person in the air force who set themselves on fire chanting free. Like, clearly that person was mentally ill, and his parents literally said that he had fallen into a propaganda campaign on social media, and it cost him his. Like, it's serious.

It is serious. And, of course, in a perfect. Like, these algorithms could be neutralized, biased and positive. Like, not one bit of content carries more weight than another. And it was not censored as it is. But that's not happening as long as China owns it. So I think they would want to sell it. That would be good, too. But in general, if it just has to go bye bye.

No, but by the way, I'm also just a very.

Goodbye. Goodbye. You are bigger than the whole sky.

I'm also so interested in the creator economy and what actually would happen to all these people who built platforms, who has built something big enough to exist without the platform. It's very hard.

Yeah. But I think if you've been doing a good job and you would have had success anyway, then you find your success elsewhere. And people, I do think this will be great for the reels community, and people are doing really amazing things on reels.

Yeah. Jackie sent me a TikTok. I didn't even want to tell you. You sent me a reel yesterday on Instagram DMs. And it was such an old trend.

What is it?

If I won the lottery, I wouldn't tell anybody, but there would be signs.

Oh, I've seen the trend. But I sent it to you because of what it was, the content of the video.

Okay. I thought that was your first time.

I thought it was a funny take on that trend.

It was. I thought you just were introduced to the trend.

No, you would have to know the trend to understand this video because this one was, if I won the lottery, there would be signs and it was just like tons of blueberries. Because all the kids eat our blueberries and they were like, gorgeous looking blueberries. Yeah.

Oh, speaking of, I went back to the kosher marquee yesterday. Me and Ben, we couldn't figure out what we wanted for dinner. And it's like, let's just walk over to the kosher mart. Ori's, I don't know if you saw Orie's posted us on their, like, what? I tell you, I've accomplished a lot in my career, and it takes certain things for people who I have known forever to be impressed. I saw all my friends after, they're like, did you see Ore's posted you on Instagram that for them was bigger than Madison Square garden?

That's beautiful. Is Ori's our new sponsor? Do they share?

I don't know if they can be considered a sponsor when I pay full price, and I've never been given so much as a discount code. And let me tell you, it's pricey, but I do feel it's worth it. So I've really kind of been, like, in my orange era, I've just been like, a girl who eats oranges in.

Bed and, like, oranges are clementines.

Oranges?

Oh, wow. You take the time to peel.

Let me tell you, Clementine is delicious, but it's fleeting. Too small. It's fleeting, yes. I'm going to go to all this trouble for. I could eat a clementine and I wouldn't even be trying to eat it fast. 30 seconds. It's not enough for me. I like to cuddle up in bed and it's a project, too. The orange. It's a journey. And I don't know, I just love the way it smells. And then I'm just like a cute little girl with my fuzzy socks and I'm just watching venaprump rules. Eating an orange. That was me yesterday. I just felt very girly, very feminine, and I loved it.

What kind of oranges. Do you have sumo oranges? Because we have them here, and apparently they're amazing. Olivia's always talking about them, but I've not tried one.

Everyone on TikTok is always talking about sumo oranges. I don't know anything about them. I also don't look, when it comes to apples, I'm very specific. Know Granny Smith versus honey crisp orange. If it looks good, I take.

I actually think you wouldn't choose a sumo apple. They look a little disfigured. Sumo apple, sumo orange. The sumo orange doesn't look like a gorgeous picture perfect orange. No.

Yeah, I need it to be gorgeous. The perfect shade. Huge. Also bought a cantaloupe to carve yourself. So the last time. The thing I love about this market is they have so much precut fruit now. Of course, it's like, triple the price, but it saves you a lot of time. Last time we got it, I'm like, you know what? I'm not loving the cantaloupe. So this time Ben was like, let's cut it ourselves. Oh, my God. I'm 2030 minutes cutting this cantaloupe. I get it all in a temporary. It literally wasn't good. Maybe I don't like.

You don't like cantaloupe? Because I had cantaloupe here. While you were here and you were clowning, you were like, this cantaloupe has gone bad. I'm like, no, that's what cantaloupe tastes like. Okay.

I don't like cantaloupe.

Yeah. Good to know you learn something new about yourself every day.

So when I went to the market last night, I experimented. I'm getting into kiwi.

Kiwico?

Yeah. I'm getting into kiwi.

Okay, cool.

Yeah, that's just, like, the new thing. You know? I also was never someone who ate oranges, and now Ori got me into oranges.

What about peaches?

Like, actually delighted that you brought that up because I feel a really specific way about peaches. There's a very short window of the year where I'll fuck with a peach. So disgustingly hard. Now they sell them year round, which actually should be illegal because we are coming up on peach season.

Well, what I was thinking the other day is I don't think fruits were meant to be, like, certain products are not meant to be year round cherries things, because we were just at the strawberry patch, and maybe at other times of the year, they don't grow strawberries because it's not strawberry season. And it's like, I feel like this is a modern invention where we get all fruits all year round.

I like it.

And it wasn't supposed to be this way. And our fruits are suffering because they're growing when they shouldn't be growing. I feel like back in the day, it's like you only had strawberries one season out of the year, and it was, like, exciting to have a strawberry at that time. And it was a tasty strawberry.

I agree with the thesis, although I do think there are certain fruits that are year round, strawberries being one of them, blueberries, I think more exotic fruits. They're the basics. And I think the basics are year round sustainable. But then the peaches, I think, are okay, seasonal.

I feel, like, natural. What about apples? Because I feel like there's apple season in New York. You go apple picking, but you don't go apple picking in the spring.

Okay, there's apple season in New York for apples that are grown in New York, but you can, climate wise, grow them in other places. And that's what we're getting at the grocery store in the middle of February.

We're not getting New York apples.

Right. But you know what? Now that I'm such, like, a fruit head, is that what we're calling ourselves? Like, the fruit community? Maybe I'll go apple picking this fall.

You should.

Yeah. You know what? This is how it starts.

No. We are homesteading tradwives. We don't even realize that we've been radicalized.

We have been radicalized, for sure. Wait, I'm sorry.

I brought a closed start. And I feel like most people come at it from sourdough. That's what I see. First you get a sourdough, and then you have chickens. But I feel like I'm bypassing sourdough. I don't feel the need for it other than it's, like, what my people are doing. But you have to grow your sour.

It's like a living organism.

Yeah, like a plant. And what would I do with a loaf of bread, even. Anyway, I'm on a diet, right. But if I'm making my own sourdough, then my bread is healthy for my diet.

But it's still bread.

Yeah. It's still not what I should be eating.

So I'm sorry I brought up the kosher mart. All that to say. They had a lot of pre prepared foods, and I ended up getting a rotisserie chicken. Now, fun fact about turty is she loves a rotisserie chicken.

This will not surprise anyone. If you know Turtie and you've been paying attention for sure.

But I just think a lot of people would be shocked to like something pre prepared. Like, sweating in a meat case all day is something I would like. And I have to. Tell me.

They saw what you ate when you were little, right? Your chicken.

I have to tell you, Jackie, about this rotisserie chicken.

I'm sure it was the best thing you've ever eaten in your life.

It was the best thing I'd ever eaten in my life. And I've had a lot of rotisserie chickens. And some grocery stores in the city carry kosher rotisseries.

Allyship. Right there.

Fairway. Thank you, allies. Thank you. She is an. You know, when you're kosher, you're desperate, so you just eat whatever you're like. Yeah, it's good. It's good. It really took me eating this rotisserie chicken from Ori's to know how deprived I've been. Jackie, I could have drank the juice at the bottom with a straw.

No. It's so crazy and unfair to me. I don't like to complain that some people can just go to Publix and buy a rotisserie chicken and just have that for dinner every night if they want to.

No, I said. I'm like, I literally would never cook if I had people over. I get two of these rotisserie chickens, put them on a plate, and pretend like I made it.

For most people that's having a pre made rotisserie chicken, like, people are always talking about pre made rotisserie chickens. Where are the best costco? Like, that's a daily occurrence for them. And I find it unfair. I do.

I mean, if we lived in, like, we wouldn't have these problems.

That's true. Or you could just live near Ori's.

Yes. So true. Honestly, I don't live close enough. And let me tell you, once you get within, like, a three block radius. Oh, my God. It is the social scene of the century. Like, me and Ben were walking. Oh, my God. He saw this guy from basketball team. I saw someone from high school. Once you get in, it's kind of like a vortex. Once you step in with, like, a three block radius, east, south, north, and west, it's over for you.

Speaking of chicken, I've been cooking chicken every night, and I have officially perfected baked chicken.

Do you think that's why you look so good?

Because I'm upping my protein, and I have egg whites every day too.

She's literally on her protein grind. I catch her in the gym, bro.

I should probably just do keto right now because I'm having a lot of protein options, but it's like, I can't let go of my popcorn and my true fruits. I can't.

By the way, that's literally me. I've been really trying to do mostly meat, because what I've realized about myself is I'm a volume eater. Like, I need to eat a lot.

I'm hungry.

No, but I'm a volume eater. I need to eat a lot. Versus small portions of dense things. Do you know what I mean?

I actually would have thought you were the opposite.

No, it takes a lot for me to get full. So when you're a volume eater or something like keto, where you can have unlimited protein is great for you. So I've really been trying to do that. But at the end of the day, a true fruit, my popcorn things. You're right. I can't give up.

These are important to me. So maybe I could swap them for keto friendly late night treats. I just don't know if I want to go the way of, like.

No, then you start to. So.

It's so foolproof, though. Like, if calorie counting is math, Keto is science.

Okay, Sheldon.

Okay. Elizabeth zot.

It's giving lessons in chemistry.

I love her.

And speaking of celebrities, like, should we get into the show?

We should, because it's our job, and the sooner we get into the show, the sooner we can talk about Vanderpump rules.

And eat lunch.

And eat lunch. A keto friendly lunch.

We'll see.

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Are you ready for our first?

Yeah. Yeah.

There's some drama, major family drama, in the Hilton Richards Yumanski family.

I'm aware this is, like, the story.

That never ends out of nowhere, but it's also, like, coming full circle because the trailer for the new season of buying Beverly Hills just dropped Mauricio's reality show about his company, the agency, and he all of a sudden is saying what happened between him and the Hiltons when he worked for Rick Hilton and what led to a falling out within his family, which. This is the exact story that people speculated for years and exactly what we thought happened, but they didn't ever talk about it because it's family.

Right? Because when we met Kyle on the Real Housewives, like, the first two, maybe three seasons, that is when he left. And when we met her, she wasn't talking to Kathy, correct?

I don't recall. But when we met her, Mauricio hadn't started the agency, right.

He started maybe, like, season three.

So in the time that we met her, he was working for Hilton and Highland, which is Rick Hilton's real estate company. Rick Hilton is Kathy's husband. Then he left, and then they started the agency, and in that time, Kathy and Kyle were no longer speaking, and Mauricio went out on his own. So you have to think these two things are related, which is what we always thought and which turns out to be true. But now Mauricio is telling the story on his show. He said, quote, I think I kind of got fucked by Hilton and Highland. And when I say fucked, you know, like, today, I'm happy. But there was 100 agents at Hilton and Highland. He said they did a billion dollars for the first time a year. I was 19.6% of their production. He remembered that he thought he deserved to be made partner because he contributed so much to the agency. But when he asked Rick for equity in the company, Rick turned him down. So he quit and started the agency, which he founded in 2011 and has since become a major real estate firm and is featured on his Netflix series.

He also talks about on his show Kyle's reaction when Kyle told him this, and she was like, this is kind of going to be a big thing in the family, but I support you. And she completely supported him.

Well, I mean, it worked out for them tremendously. Whatever ended up actually happening at Hilton and Highland. I'm sure everybody has their own version.

Of the know, but this makes sense. He was a major earner, and he wanted to be a partner or have equity, and they said no, for whatever their reasons were. So he said, if I'm doing this here, I can do this on my own. And started his own thing now, but also his own thing is in direct competition to the thing that he was working on with his brother in law. I'm sure his brother in law helped him get started and had so Hilton.

And Highland was, like, a very successful real estate firm, like, long before Mauricio was. Like, they did him a favor and gave him a sure. I'm sure that they see it as him being greedy. Like, we gave you a gave Kathy's. Like, I gave my sister's husband a job, and look what he like. I'm sure everybody sees it a different way, but Paris Hilton left a comment.

So I have the comment here. She commented on a post about the subject and said, my father is a consummate gentleman and has always taken the higher road. He would never speak negatively about his family, especially in the press. Frankly, we are all sick of him using the Hilton name. Every chance he gets to plug his lame show. It is enough already.

Yikes. Okay, so, like, first of all, this.

Signals to me, first of all, just Mauricio kind of telling the story and not in a nefarious way. And he also said, I have nothing ill to say of Hilton and Highland because I think nothing ill of them. He was not trash talking or anything, just, like, telling the story as it happened. But to me, it signals the fact that he would tell the story, finally, that him and the Hiltons, because he has no relationship with Kyle anymore, he doesn't care.

Oh, yes. I totally forgot their divorce. Thank you. So long.

He wouldn't say because that was his family and Kyle didn't want it out there.

But now it's kids family. It is.

But I also feel like, of course, you don't air your family's dirty laundry, but Kyle and Kim and what's the other one? Kathy. Sorry, I thought Kim. Okay. Kyle, Kathy and Kim have been fighting publicly for almost a decade. Like, this is one small piece of the. Like, who even cares? I don't think it's that he finally said what happened.

No, it's not even that. You're not supposed know air your family's dirty laundry in public. We have so crossed that line years ago. That's not even an issue anymore. That's what they do. Yeah, of course. That's what this family does. So now why is this different?

And I also feel like this is the least dirty piece of laundry of all the fights that have been out know, like, alcoholic. The house, of course. It's been so much nastier and dirtier. I feel like now it's kind of ancient history. And he's just explaining this on his real estate show, how he got his start.

I do also think know, I'm sure everybody has their own version of the truth, but let's say it happened exactly as Mauricio described it. I don't think that makes really anybody look bad. It makes Mauricio look like a hard worker. It makes, you know, magnanimous for giving this person a job and really giving him his start, but not forking over a piece of his. Like, I don't feel like it makes anybody look bad.

I don't think so either. And I'm sure if Rick had a show and said his side of the story, he would have perfectly good reasons for not having made Mauricio a partner, given him equity at that.

Also, like, I feel we're always getting news about this family from this reality show on Netflix, more so than the Housewives of Beverly Hills. Kyle's never been super transparent or forthcoming on housewives. I feel like she's gotten really far, just kind of coasting and always being a little bit of a potster. And I feel like we got that footage of the girls finding out that the parents were separating on the Netflix show. It's like they're giving a lot of the stuff to Netflix.

I feel like I would, because that show is more their show than their. I've actually never watched it and is about the agency, but I think their family has more of a stake in that show.

And I think that show was actually really successful for, you know, being one of the last remaining OG housewives has to be, like, a bit of a pit for, like, they've really all sort of dropped like flies. Except for Teresa, who is Kyle is not Teresa.

No.

And so you can only get away so long by being low key, uninteresting to the. Kyle's kind of brilliant, actually, when you think about her career as a housewife, she's never really. Up until this season, with everything going on in her divorce, she's never had, like, a crazy, embarrassing, crazy, bled out moment. She's just always been really relevant, and I think that's what Lisa Vanderpump was know towards the end.

But for Kyle, I think those embarrassing bled out moments are the ones with her sisters and her actually.

I'm sorry she bled out the first season and then ever again. You're right.

Yeah, she was like, fuck this.

Yeah, no, she actually. I'm sorry. You're completely right. I take back everything I said. She put that franchise on her back for 30 seconds, destroyed her entire family for it. And you know what? She's been rewarded ever since.

Yeah. And then even more recently with Kathy. And then her relationship with Kathy suffered, and now it's coming to a head with her marriage. I watched a little more last night. I'm going to keep watching Beverly Hills, see what's going on. But it is weird, but I toggle between two feelings of, like, yes, Kyle is not being completely honest, even just in the fact that she's now sober, she's working out all the time. And to me, watching her, she seems like a different person. Not because of those things, just her personality, the way she personality. And Sutton's like, be honest. What's going on. Be honest. Because Sutton feels like if I'm your, like, tell me what's going on with you. But if you're my friend, you don't ask me like that, and you don't ask me on camera, especially if you think it's because there's something going on with Mauricio. So it's such a hard line to walk, but I feel like Dorit walks that line perfectly. She's really good friends with, clearly, you know, knows too, but she would never say something like that.

Yeah. And that's what the women of Beverly Hills have always done, almost to a point where it's annoying for the viewers. They really do protect one another, especially when there was that core five. What do they call themselves? The foxy five or whatever. Like, Dorit, Lisa, Erica, Kyle, and Teddy, they had this sort of pact that they wouldn't turn on one another and they would make the show good, but not at the expense of anyone's families or personal whatever. And so Kyle, I think, is sort of expecting that from Sutton and not getting that.

Yeah. But I also feel like she gets it from Dorit for sure, because they're true friends and their husbands are friends. I feel like Erica's now, just like, as long as it's not, you know.

Erica's, I think, was hardened by her experience going through it and how nobody really stood up for her. And she's like, fuck these, like, whatever. And now that Lisa Rinna's gone, like, the one true friend that she, like, I don't think she gives a.

But I'm really. I'm enjoying Erica this. She's been like. It's been a lot for her.

She reminds me of Lala.

Yeah. And we'll get to that. I have a lot of thoughts on Lala.

Me too.

My absolute queen.

I kind of agree.

Are you ready for our next story, which is actually big news? There is a new show coming out from discovery ID called Quiet on set, the dark side of kids TV. And Drake Bell is speaking out and he is sharing that he was sexually assaulted by his Nickelodeon dialog coach. So for the first time, Drake Bell, the one time star of Nickelodeon's Drake and Josh, has spoken publicly about being repeatedly molested by dialog coach Brian Peck when he was a child. The announcement comes as part of Drake's appearance in iD's upcoming four part docuseries, which uncovers the toxic and dangerous culture behind some of the most iconic children's shows of the late 1990s and early 2000s, many of which were produced by Dan Schneider.

How unfortunate that this guy's last name is Peck.

I know, because throughout the whole story, it's like he slept at Peck's house and I had to go back to be like, Peck. It's Brian Peck. No relation to Josh Peck, who was.

On Drake, who was on the show.

Yeah.

Beyond unfortunate, I think for just confusion purposes, I feel like if you've been paying attention, this is not shocking at all. Drake, it's a cycle sexual assault. So he ended up a perpetrator, most likely because he was a victim. I think we all probably could have guessed that based on what we know about the show. And it's so crazy how all these years so many things have been said and people just wondering about Dan Schneider and this four partaki series comes out and there's allegations of sexual assault and they're still not even getting to Dan Schneider.

Yeah. But also what's crazy about this story, and maybe there will be something about Dan Schneider in the docuseries, but in this story, when Drake finally goes to tell someone, he tells doesn't seem, it seems like that was like nothing nefarious came from that. But can you imagine?

No. Oh, my God. I just got chills. I didn't know that.

And so Brian Peck was his dialog coach and worked really closely with Drake Bell as he was know grooming him and then eventually became his manager. And Drake Bell's dad tried to speak out and be like, this is fucking weird. And he was, like, ostracized by the show.

My.

And so he backed off. But it's just a really sickening story. And it's like when you read it, how he was groomed and then was constantly with this guy because he came as manager. He was like, would sleep at his house because auditions were so far away. It just sounds like textbook child pedophilia in Hollywood. And it's disgusting.

And that's the thing. And that's really what I learned with Jeanette McCurdy's book is, like, when it comes to specifically, like, the Nickelodeon era, but just like child actors and child entertainers in general, so much of how they end up has to do with their parents. And so with Jeanette McCurdy, the reason she got so fucked was because her mom was so unstable and was really sort of living vicariously through Jeanette because all she had ever wanted to be when she was younger was an actress. And so to do that through her daughter was so really. It just depends because then I read Josh's book and his mom had nothing to do with his career. Josh wanted it so badly. He was the one who wanted tacked, and his mother was fiercely protective of him. So it really is so sad how not only did the network and the people who were supposed to be taking care of Drake fail him, but a lot of times with child stars, their parents fail them as well.

Right. Because here it says that he started acting at the age of five in the middle of his parents divorce. And I feel like a predator sees that. He sees a vulnerable child whose parents are maybe distracted and preys on that.

Yep. And that's like, I keep comparing it to Jeanette's book because I think she explains so well how she was sort of the perfect storm. Like, no one was looking after, you know, grew up. Grew up in a house, know. Also, money plays, like, a huge circumstance when you start to become an know and your parents start relying on you for just the basic necessities, how that becomes so toxic because your well being sort of gets put on the back burner because we have to pay the visa bill this month. And that happened with Jeanette. She became, like, a primary earner in her family, and her family was very poor and she had a lot of siblings in the house. She said she grew up in, like, a hoarder house. They slept in the living room because the bedrooms were full of old newspapers, like, really crazy. Wow. Yeah. So you're right. Like, the at home circumstances often play a big role, and I'm sure who a predator chooses to prey upon.

Yeah. Also I feel like the children's entertainment industry hasn't had the veil lifted off of it yet.

Where's their me too moment?

There hasn't really been one. I mean, Dan Schneider stepped down gracefully in 2018 and he's still working.

He is like a production company. He works with Paramount in a very sort of backdoor way.

But I think a lot of the people who were working then still work now. And even if they are not necessarily pedophiles themselves, if they aid in a bed and they turn the other, this, there needs to be a. Yeah. And I hope that this is the beginning of something.

And what's so interesting is I think when we were younger, it was very much like Disney versus Nickelodeon. Disney versus Nickelodeon. And now when we talk about that, think, you know, the Disney kids, if they ever really have anything negative to say, it's more so about the fact that they were like a little overworked and just sort of treated like adults very quickly. They all grew up really fast. But there's really not a ton of nefarious, I don't know of many allegations being made that they know abused sexually or whatever. But with Nickelodeon, it's just like, it's everyone.

Yeah. Well, a lot of the Nickelodeon shows are Dan Snyder shows.

Right.

Like Amanda show, all that, Zoe 101, Drake and Josh. Right.

And actually, not to make a joke, but it really kind of comes back to Kenny Ortega.

Kenny Ortega.

And he was the man of the time. He was like the equivalent of the Dan Schneider who was in charge. And for all I know, he was incredible. And everybody still to this day is, you know, loves, loves, loves him.

Yeah.

So it starts at the top.

Yeah. So I'm sure more news will come out from this series that should be watched.

Yeah.

Are you ready for our next story? What, number three?

Yeah.

It's a little news that I love because Hoda Cotby is planning her third date with a mystery man that was introduced to her by Jenna Bush Hager.

Oh, no. I love that.

So cute. So she told Entertainment Tonight that she has her third date coming up with the mystery man that was introduced to her by her co host, Jenna Bush Hager.

Oh, that's cute.

Hoda confirmed that Jenna did indeed play matchmaker, but she clarified that Jenna doesn't really know well the love interest, just that he's a friend of a friend. She said, jenna is a great picker. She goes, look, I just want you to know I don't really know him. A friend of mine knows a friend. Nonetheless, she shared that she had a great time. And she loved her second date with him. Stop.

That's, like, first of all, the best way to meet someone. Mutual setup, friend of a friend. I don't know him that well, but he has, like, a seal of approval from this person that I.

It's also great when it's not like I'm really close with both of these people because likely, just odds they're not going to be a great love match. And then that's a weird.

Then at every brisk bar mitzvah wedding, you got to see this guy you went on a date with once.

So it's good. Like, you have accountability. A friend of a friend. We run in this, but a degree of separation. But we're not going to run into you all the time if it doesn't work out.

This is so cute. This is so, like, us coded if one of us is single in 20 years, like, obsessed, obsessed.

So cute. So cute.

I just want to quickly sort of estimate. Guess. What do we think this guy does if he's, like, a friendly ish of the Hagers? And who is Hager, by the way? Who is her husband?

Nothing. Google can't let us know.

Yeah, I've never really looked into him. Like, who married the former first daughter? I know that the other one is Lauren. Lauren.

Yeah.

Right.

Lauren. Lauren, yeah.

She married Ralph Lauren's son, David Lauren. So her name is Lauren. Lauren. Henry Chase Hager, who was Jenna Bush Hager's husband. Thank you, People magazine. Oh, my God. They met while he was working on her dad's presidential.

While he was working for the campaign. It said they met during the campaign, but he could have just been a fan.

We just said the same thing. Oh, no. While working on her dad's.

I didn't see.

What do you think he came to a rally?

Like a supporter?

He was working for President George H. No, not h. Sorry. W. Bush. They hit it off right away. Jenna asked him to marry her. After dating for just three months, he turned her down, which led to a humiliating Valentine's Day incident. Jenna has previously recounted this on the show.

How do you feel about that?

He then did propose in 2007, so I feel good about it.

Let me ask you, is your video still recording? Because I heard a noise.

Yeah.

Okay, good. I thought I heard what?

Oh, my God. My heart fucking stopped.

I thought I heard what sounded like end recording.

Like the people. Yeah, no, we're good. We're good.

Okay, good. Sorry.

Oh, my God. She's trying to attack me. By the way, her husband is mad cute and, like, no cap. No cap. He looks like George W. Bush.

Oh, I gotta go look now. What was his name? Henry Hager. Strong name.

Do you think that they double date with Lauren? And Lauren, I feel like, are so. I feel like we're always talking about Jenna Bush Hager, of course, because she's.

Every day giving us tea.

But the other one, like, what is she up to? Lauren Bush.

And you know, they're twins.

Yes. Oh, by the way, they look literally nothing alike. David. Lauren. Yeah. She's super pretty. She used to be a model. She's so Ralph Lauren. Oh, where did they get married? I love going on random rabbit holes, like, of things that were, like, popular before. I was sort of socially conscious.

Yeah.

Oh, my God. Obsessed. Okay, so they had, like, a western y vibe. Wedding.

Where?

And, well, I'll tell you, but the Vogue article is how the west was. That's cute.

Where?

Um, over Labor Day, of course, at his family's 17,000 acre double Rl ranch in Ridgeway, Colorado.

Of course. That's a holiday weekend wedding.

Oh, 1000%. Where are the pictures? Like, give me one picture. You're kidding. Oh, no. There's a slideshow.

Oh, I hate a slideshow.

Okay, wait. First of all, the wedding was literally in a field.

Okay, wait, I'm on my way. This is Vogue.

Yeah. She comes to the aisle in a horse and buggy. Oh, it's so gorgeous. It's so all american. He is so his dad. Oh, he's jewish, right?

Okay. Western Union.

Yes.

Cute. And the picture looks like it's from the 1920s, because it's like.

Yes, keep sliding in that slideshow.

My iPad's frozen. Me iPad.

Grandma. Grandma.

Me iPad.

Wow, this was a great sort of rabbit hole I just went down. I really enjoyed my time here. Thank you, Google.

Great. And thanks. Know this story for bringing us there.

Wait, Jackie.

They don't want me to read it.

Yeah, Jackie, hold on. Lauren Bush. On Google, it says her parents are Neil Bush and Sharon Bush. Who the fuck is that? And her siblings are Ashley Bush and Pierce Bush. Wait, is. She's not.

She's Jenna Bush.

Jenna Bush Hager'sister. Oh. That's why we're never talking about her. We're always talking about Jenna Bush.

Barbara is her sibling, Lauren.

Who the. By the way, Barbara Bush's daughter is gorgeous. No, her dad's name is. Fuck. Is Lauren Bush.

Her dad's name is Neil.

Do you know who that.

No, no, it's just resonating.

Yeah. Barbara and Jenna are sisters. Okay, wait, hold on, hold on. Hold on, hold on.

Start over.

Who is Lauren Bush? Now, I just need to know, who's she? Neil and Sharon.

So who's Neil Bush?

No, I have no idea.

Neil Amon. Neil Bush. He is the brother.

Okay. He's George H. W. Son.

He's not an irrelevant, ugly.

No, he's George W. Bush, the former president.

Brother.

Brother. And so Lauren is.

Ok, great, great. We're not so far off.

He's a businessman.

Yeah.

Oh, so Jeb is one of his brothers. George is one of his brothers. And George H. W. Is their dad.

They have six children.

Wow. Really is like, sort of like getting, like dynasty.

Yeah.

There's a lot of bushes, a lot of bush. It's a bushy, bushy bunch.

Are you ready for our next story, which is for me and me only to have to process. And my other little mix stands because former little Mix singer Perry Edwards'debut solo album has been announced. And as if she didn't want to hurt us enough, she's calling it, and it feels targeted. Big mix, forget about us.

Oh, wow. She's not even trying to be like.

Maybe it's know, a boyfriend, but it's probably about her telling me that I should forget about little mix and give up on the idea that they'll ever get back together.

I actually don't think that it's about that, but I could see how one would feel that way.

So her first single is called Forget about us. I'm sorry. Her first solo single, emphasis on the solo. And us is a plural, and little mix wasn't us.

If the US was representative of Little Mix, it would be like that. We would know. I feel it would come on the heels of all the girls really being on the outs. They're all incredibly close and support, except for that one. But they're all really supportive of each other. Leanne had a solo career. They've all hyped it up. They're very supportive. I think their babies hang out. I feel like between the three of them, not the four of them, but the three core members, I feel like there's no bad blood. If anything, they look back on that time so fondly, and they really do believe, I think, of all the bands that have gone on hiatus, little mix, fifth harmony, one Direction, the ones we have the best chance of seeing together one day again are little mix.

Okay, great. And now here's the good news about the forthcoming album and single, which is being described as a kind of Kelly Clarkson meets Katy Perry vibe. Put me in, coach. The first single was reportedly co written by Ed Sheeran. He is allegedly on the album. So is ray r a y e like big on the much. So I think there was a collab post for her to. I would like to see some of the little Mix swirly's on the album, of course. But this is good and bad news because obviously it's going to be of the little mix vibe, which I love. Good music for me, but I need my girls, especially as I've been working out. I listen to so much little mix.

So do I.

And it cuts deep.

What do you think are the best little mix songs to work out to if you need like hardcore beats?

Because why is it heartbreak anthem?

Well, of course heartbreak anthem. David, get a little mix. But also like don't sleep on. And it's called. And it's called. And it's called black magic.

I personally is like sonically and chemically a perfect song. I've listened to it too much and I've nullified the effect.

All the girls on the block looking at my door so good.

Don't sleep on salute. Like if you need to power up. Ladies all across the world listen up. We're looking for recruits. Not that I celebrate until national Women's Day in earnest, but if I did, that's the song.

Agreed.

Power. Just treat yourself to a little mixed listening party today, everyone.

You don't even have to work out.

No. Yeah, but it's going to make you want to work out because that's how inspiring these women are.

I mean, you don't have to tell me about songs that make you want to work out. Broken hearted by carbon.

Have you even been listening to that?

Of course. I have like a workout playlist that has like eleven songs on it. Seriously? Because they're just like a song. A lot of Sagala.

Don't you find that you hit a point with them where they don't do for you?

I'll rotate them out.

They don't do for you what they once did.

I will rotate them out. But currently it's a lot of Sagala. And if there's one song that I have to listen to first, let's say I'm not feeling it and I just need one song to seriously change me 100%. It is favorite kind of high by Kelly Clarkson. The David Getter remix. You guys. It is the most pussy popping song on the planet. It is so good. What was I saying? Oh, but broken hearted is a mainstay on that playlist.

Got it? Yeah. Now I'll make a perfect working out playlist. I listen to it too much and it doesn't have that power over me anymore. But then a few years later I'll go back to it and I'm like, I love that.

Hell yeah, I love that.

Yeah, that's where I'm at right now. I'm on my few years ago playlist.

Love that.

I'll share them to my Instagram, please. At Jackie.

Jackie's kind of amazing at making like a playlist. Curating. In another life. Like, you could have been a DJ.

Like a radio, a DJ for the radio, not at the party. Like, I don't have the stamina. A lot of lights, a lot of combo.

I just want to say I do feel like I could see a world in which you get like a second. Like for a local radio station that needs a couple of hours. You're a professional talker. You're really into music. Honestly, I feel like maybe you should see if there's anything out there in your community.

Totally. But also, like, new answer to my dream job question.

Radio DJ.

Radio like Elvis Duran, where I talk and curate. Yep. My skill set. And maybe I could hire a smaller DJ that could make mashups for me.

Yes.

And we could have like our mashup hour.

By the way, I had said earlier in the week Jackie was talking about Ariana Grande's new song, how you really feel like at one point in the song, robin is going to start singing dancing on my own. Correct.

And then a TikToker felt the same way and that made me feel seen. And he also posted it, so I felt extra seen.

So I'll play it for you guys. Jackie, her mashup dreams came true. Ready? Shout out to Adam. Music underscore on TikTok.

Check out his other stuff you do. Are you ready for our fifth and final story that's actually going to lead into our TV recap? So let's do it all at once.

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Oh, my God. She's.

No, because we were saying, which one would you.

Right, right.

Our fifth and final story, Vanderpump Rules, was on last night. They dropped the mid season trailer at the end of the episode. Tom Sandoval is accusing Ariane of trash talking all of her castmates in the mid season trailer. We see them finally in the same room together for probably a finale party. It's hosted by Kyle Chan, the jeweler.

And that's the one that Tom Sandoval, like a fan, sort of crashes and physically attacks Tom Sandoval. Do you remember when that happened in real life and all that? People got it on their Instagram story.

I never saw that.

Yes.

Oh, wow.

So it's like a culmination on the season, but I remember it when it happened in real life.

That's insane. Like, how insane do you have to be to go and physically attack someone that you don't know, whose actions did not affect you whatsoever?

So let's talk about Vanderpump rules. I caught up on three episodes last night, and I just so much preferred it that way. Now let me tell you, I'm going so soft on Sheena Marie shea these days. Let me tell you how funny.

Okay, sorry. I didn't know that's how the term is being used. I thought you meant now. I thought you meant you were going against. No, no.

I've never been like a big Sheena or apologist for her. I feel like I've actually been really hard on her, mostly because I think on a personality level Sheena and I are probably as different as two people could be. Like, we're just not the same. But I'm really starting to see her in a new light. I don't know. I so respect her as a mom. I think she's an amazing mom. I love her marriage. I think so many people tried to clown on it, but at the end of the day, it really appears like they have a true partnership and I've just started to love her. And three episodes in Tahoe, let me tell you. I thought she was so funny when they were just like, arguing. Not in a way that made me worry about their relationship, but just sort of like bickering when he was like, putting his underwear on the was just. So. I went into the episode already feeling sympathy for Sheena and maybe it's because last week you recapped Sheena's relationship with Tom Sandoval and the Paypal thing and you made me see her. I don't know what it was, but I think I went in with, like, an advantage on Sheena.

Yeah, but you've been loving Sheena and her motherhood journey and her honesty. Yes.

She's been honest and now it's always like, hindsight is 2020. But when she was sitting and talking about how at the upfronts, Tom Sandoval was only one, including her in pictures and Katie was basically just like, get over it. It's so easy for Katie to say because Katie was the bully, know, and she doesn't have those memories. I'm sure those first few years having to work in those types of situations with those girls who hated you was horrible for Sheena. And Sheena's one of those people who's probably never gotten over it. And so I understand her having a hard time and I know everyone's like, Sheena making it about herself and she is, she is. But I thought her reasonings were completely valid. The upfront story, the PayPal story, and.

She waited five months to make it about feel.

Yeah. And, you know, I totally see her being one of those people who really gets bogged down with what the fans say about, you know, I actually follow her on Twitter and she is always responding to haters. She's not one of these cool, like Lala, I feel like just lets it roll up. I feel like Sheena really gets to her personally. So I had so much respect for Lala, literally just calling Ariana out and actually Ariana did end up saying something. And I remember in real time when that photo came out, we were like, oh, my God, Sheena and Tom and then Ariana saying something actually changed the conversation. Like it meant a lot. So, so much respect to Lala, who I haven't been obsessed with in recent years. So much respect to her for being like, you're not going to help your friend out. I feel like Ariana just sort of put her blinders on and let everybody else do her work for her and then know, know the consequences and didn't.

Keep her eyes open to see how things might be affecting them. And she is the queen of the cast right now and she can step in to help someone and it is Ariana fans who are coming after Sheena. Like, those are your stands. I agree. I like that Lala had that idea and said it to Sheena. And I also like that she said the exact same thing to Ariana's face in a way that wasn't, yep, I am going back and forth because when Sheena and Lala talk about having grace for Sandoval and all of like, I hear it and I see and I'm like, yeah, he deserves to be, he deserves to be treated like a human being because he's a human being. I do not like him on any personal level, but he's a human being and he should be treated as such because he is going to be in these rooms with us because we are coworkers. So I've really been feeling that and I feel like when Sheena was going through her emotional struggle in like I felt that alongside her and I thought it was felt pulled in both directions. And then when Katie was like, get over it, like, he's an actual that you shouldn't have such a hard time moving on from this person.

And Ariana's like, anyone who has any relationship with him, I don't want them in my, like, I feel that too because that's kind of how I know I would be if I were in this situation.

But that's how you would be if you were Ariana. I think Katie's coming at it from a place that I find confusing. I know she really dislikes Sandoval. Like, I get it, but she's kind of more aggressive and more offended than Ariana.

I actually think Lala's POV might be the most neutral because she doesn't like Sandoval. She has no relationship with him that she wants to salvage, but she's trying to move forward. Move forward. And the thing is we have to move forward because we're on a show together. And if this were real life, you can make those rules and say, if you talk to my ex, I don't want a friendship with you. But of course, two things. One, they were friends just as long as the other two. But still you should see their character and not want to be friends with them. But also we're all going to be forced to be in the same rooms together. We're all going to have to move on from this because we are coworkers. So it's not apples to apples of what I would do if I were in this situation. If I were in this situation, I would remove myself completely from anything having to do with this person. And yes, some of my friends still wanted to be friends with this person. Goodbye. But it's not like it would be affecting our.

So like it's very clear that Ariana and Katie, when this first, like their goal was to get Tom off the show and if nobody agrees to film with you, even Tom Schwartz, then you really can't be on the show. There's no point. But slowly he's getting his way back in. And to be honest, them being so not flexible in their thinking is going to really, I think, end up hurting them because they're on this trip. And then they keep cutting back to Ariana and Katie in La having interviews. Who cares? It's almost hurting them in a sense because they're being so inflexible. When everybody was on their side and everybody agreed, but then know you have to get realistic and everybody's just sort of in the middle now except for them.

Yeah. And right now I think it's fine. People are glad they're sticking to their guns, but it can't go on forever like this. We have to reach some sort of place where everyone can film together and be on cast trips like for the job, because this is a job. And I also feel like for Lala, I understood what she was saying and I don't know why Katie just jumped down her throat because Lala, that was crazy, said the same thing about Randall. Like if you're friends with this person, don't be friends with me. But like one Randall was a person that none of them knew. It's just Lala's ex. It's not like you have ten years of history of friendship with done anything for you.

It's not the same.

And Randall's not a cast member. It's not like they're forced to be around Randall all the time and work through these issues. It's not the same. And when Randall cheated on Lala, it's not like she had this big global moment that helped push her forward and propel her career. No. Instead she has a child and this person is wielding her child against her and making her life so not the same. And I know Lala was about to say my situation was so much worse and so much harder and she's right.

Yeah. No, but nobody wants to say anything that's going to make them look jealous of Ariana because even just sort of saying that her getting all this money and all these opportunities, it definitely healed. I'm sorry. That's exciting. And to have gone through a breakup. Most people go through a breakup and get nothing. They literally get a box of their shit back. Ariana got worldwide fame, love, adoration and money. Sorry. It helps. It does. But nobody wants to bring that up because it makes them look jealous because technically they're all technically in competition with no.

And I think you would say, oh, money can't heal a broken heart. But the thing is, now we know what we know about their relationship. These weren't two people who were hopelessly in love. It sounds like she's been hating him for a while and I don't know why they stayed together.

I just get bothered with Ariana because when they cut to clips know, Sandoval's and Sheena's friendship and then they showed a clip of Sheena being like trying to get Ariana years and years ago, trying to get Ariana to see like Tom's a bad guy. It was like this dumb random fight. I don't even remember what it was about. She just rode so hard for him.

Even with Katie.

Katie was on to Tom for years. Nobody could tell Ariana shit. So we've been trying to tell you for years about this person. Now you see it and we all have to see it how you see it. It must be frustrating that the way she feels dictates everything.

You know what's so funny? I was watching catching up on episodes the other night and I accidentally started playing an episode from last season and I didn't realize until I was like ten minutes in that it was from last season because it was about something about her. And Ariana starts talking about. Lala had a conversation with me last night telling me that Tom, he didn't leave the party when he said he was going to leave the party and my grandma had just died and he could have gotten a ride and he didn't get a ride and he stayed and Markel was there and Ariana's in her confessional being like, I don't want to hear, like, you bring this up to me. Like, I don't want to know this because now I have to deal with this and she doesn't want to deal with it. And it's like, that's problematic. I wanted to make about the fight between Lala and Tom on the boat in Tahoe when Tom Sandoval is saying, like, lala, you hid your life for so many years. And Lala saying, well, you hid seven months of an affair, so can you get off me about hiding my life?

I don't even care that he hid seven months in affair for so many years. The two of them never had to talk about their relationship on the show. And I think everyone behind the scenes knew that. There were so many issues in Tom and Ariana's relationship and no one brought it up and they didn't bring it up and they weren't honest and they kind of skidded over. Like, you weren't honest about your relationship and now you cheated on her and you want all this sympathy because you're trying to say your relationship was bad, but you lied.

Right? And if you had shown that it was bad, maybe people would understand where you're coming from more. But you hidden.

You made us think, like, the greatest partnership ever, literally.

Like, we're not getting married. We're a modern family.

And if you were just more honest, things would have seemed more natural in the way that they went down. But no, he hid his personal life just as much as Lala did, if not more, because their relationship was so much more central to the show.

Now, I agree. I went back and forth because I really felt for Sheena and I felt like, you know, like, if she wants to have a relationship with, like, so be it. But then when Ariana was like, and she's right, and it flipped my mind, she was like, she is sort of like the weakest, laying short. Sheena's very emotional, very forgiving, very people pleasing. Tom knows that that's a way to weasel back into my life and just the social circle in general. So she was right about flopping.

And that's so not how I usually watch things, where I understood what Sheena and Lala were saying, but then I know myself and I would be as hardlined as Ariana.

Me too.

But it just doesn't work in this context of format. Doing a show, we have to all be around each other, and so we need to find a way to move forward. We don't have to be friends, but we have to move forward, right?

And then, like, the buying of the sunglasses, like things like that were not making Tom look good. He's so critical by the. It was almost like him and Joe spoke before about how to get these glasses on James. It was also orchestrated and choreographed. She was like, james, she's cringe.

She's cringe. But her and Tom Schwartz are a perfect couple. They should get married and have children and be together for decades. Why don't they?

Agreed. I just want to say I love Brock. I really just love him.

And I love Allie.

And you know who I'm kind of loving? Lisa.

Yeah.

She's been very pragmatic.

She's been very good.

Oh, my God. When he was walked into the restaurant and been like, oh, Lisa didn't run by me that we changed the menu out here. And in her confessional, Lisa was like, why would I run by a menu change by somebody who owns two and a half percent of the business?

Literally? He's still tempted while it's so hard.

Because it's like so self important.

I so don't want to be defending or not defending, but advocating, know, his growth or just grace in any way. But it's not about him. It's just about the fact that he is a person. He's on this show and we have to move forward.

Do you feel like any part of him, whether it was him crying with Sheena or him crying with Lisa or any of the times he's been vulnerable and emotional, have you found any of it to be genuine?

The way that I feel is, I don't know how it could not be because how are you not utterly devastated by what has happened? But he's not me. I can't put myself in his shoes because my personality, I'm not him. How could he not be completely heartbroken over his friendships? Raquel, like, his relationship, his relationship with Ariana, the way that the world just turned on him and hated him so much, how could that not bring you to tears?

No. And I actually thought that him explaining to Brock finally, what you guys saw me doing my shows, like Schwartzie's mom, Raquel, like, I know that made me look like the villain. And him just sort of explaining that he literally had no choice but to go out and do these shows. He needed the money. I actually appreciated that sort of perspective because his behavior post scandal was so insane and really made everybody see him through this lens of being a narcissist and being really manipulative. Him explaining, needing the money, I appreciated that.

Pov, me too. And I just want to talk about money for a second because I'm now confused because Ariana talks about she had $2,000 in her bank account before Scandoval because she put a lot of money into her house and then into something about her. Tom Sandoval, he's the only one who seems to have unlimited money, but we actually see he spends a lot of money all the time, but he still has more to give away to friends. Even Sheena, having lost her podcast, which, yeah, that can be really hard, but they're making hundreds of thousands of dollars an episode per season. Sheena, Tom Sandoval and Katie Maloney make the most because they've been on the longest.

Yes. Sheena, Tom and Ariana. I don't know how much they make.

Katie. Not Ariana, because she came on Katie.

Yes. I think they make somewhere between, I wouldn't say a couple hundred thousand.

I would say between 500,000 and a million per episode. Season.

I think about it per episode and I would say they make between 51 hundred per episode.

Agreed. And I don't think they're all that far off from each other except for like Brock and James even. Where's all the money going? They're making a lot of money for people their age. I don't see. Yes.

They don't live crazy.

Ariana and Tom bought a house that seems to be within their means for the amount of money that they're making.

They were famous for all of them for many, many years before they all bought homes. They all bought homes around the same time and they had been famous for so long.

Brand deals and sponsorships, books. Where has their money gone? Yeah, because it's not like they're even the flashiest cast.

No, not at all. They're all kind of like tacky.

Yeah. Or they'll have, it's not like real house has a Beverly Hills.

Right. Nobody has like crazy bags.

Yeah. Or they'll have like a couple of nice bags which is congruent with the amount of money that they make. But where is the money? They make a lot of money.

Yeah. I mean, now post scandal, I think all of Sheena's podcast is now considered a success. Lala's podcast is considered a. It sort of raises stakes for everyone. Sure.

But I don't even think their podcasts make close to what. Think of what their podcast make in an episode compared to what they make in an episode on the show.

Yes.

Also, but podcast is year round.

It does sort of go without saying that the show prior to Scandalval was on its last leg. I remember, they really were struggling, Charlie. They didn't know to do old people, new people. They couldn't figure it out. And Tom really gave the show, at know, a guaranteed popularity for three seasons, I would say, at least maybe more. And then those other revenue streams, like the podcast. Lala said she bought a house. She put a down payment with the merch that she made. Send it to. Like, there is value in that.

Yeah.

They really should all be thanking him.

And then, of course, Ariana Duracell dancing with the Stars.

She's on Broadway now. She was on watch rabits live last night with John Oliver. I watched, like, I would say half of it. I found Oliver, like, his enthusiasm was actually endearing and how much he knew about Bravo. I just like something about his voice. I needed to seriously punch him in the face. Like, stop talking. His enthusiasm was sweet. And I love when someone comes on and knows everything and really gets it. Doesn't think they're too cool. Love that. It was actually too much. It was too much.

Okay, fair.

And Ariana just sort of, like, sat there giggling while he was, like, being insane. I don't know. The episode pissed me off. I had to turn it off.

That's really funny. I watched it too. And it seems like Ariana's, like, not pleased with what's happening this season that she's watching. That's her next, by the way.

You know what I was getting from Ariana this episode? And it's just ironic because Ariana is actually the one who introduced me to this phrase.

Either die the hero or live long enough to become the villain. And it's crazy because she's not really done anything wrong other than hold her own and be successful and be successful and just make her feelings known. Like, you can't be friends with this person, but she can't continue with that and be on the show. It just doesn't work.

And what the fuck is going on with their sandwich place?

They can't get a license because in real time.

No, in real time now they're like, at the same place that they were when they shopped.

I heard there's something they can't get a license for that's holding everything up. Bureaucracy.

Well, it kind of makes them look.

Like shorts and Sandy.

Yeah. No, I mean, and it makes shorts and Sandy's look good because everybody was clowning on them. They said next month, and now it's two months. It's hard to open a. Like, it's expensive, it's zoning, it's permits, it's red tape. And they just sort of. Tom and Ariana made so much. I mean, Ariana and Katie made so much fun of Schwartz and Sandy's. We all did. And now they're taking just as long, if not longer.

And it's a much smaller not.

They don't need a full liquor license. They said they might be serving wine, but liquor license is what really takes forever.

I don't know why they wouldn't just open without liquor.

Yeah. No, liquor wouldn't be the thing holding them up.

Because they would do that.

No, because people have been outside and they had pretty much been like, they looked like they were ready to open. And now the entire front of the building has been completely wiped. That porch, that yellow and white umbrella, the signage, everything's gone.

Really? Yes, signage is. So they're taking away.

Yes.

And they're missing the momentum.

Oh, momentum is gone.

If they had opened, like, right now while the season was airing, it'd be good, but it's not going to happen.

And they're also not going to air now because the opening would need to be filmed if they're smart. So they're not filming right now.

Yeah.

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