Good morning, millennials.

Welcome back to The Toastand... Friday, Friday. Got to get down on Friday. Everybody's looking forward to the weekend. Weekend. Friday. F Friday. Friday. Getting down on Friday.

Hello, Lutter, DeLue. Happy Friday.

Happy mother fucking Friday, bitch.

It's exciting. It's been actually, I feel like a very fair week. Sometimes the week feels very long. Sometimes the week feels short. I feel like this week felt fair.

I mean, it's all subjective. I have a newborn at home, so it's been a very long week. If you couldn't tell by my little extra I put in the Friday song, I'm overjoyed.

Overjoyed for this.

Day of Friday? Yeah. Oh, my God. We had a night. Oh, my God. Did we have a night? A real newborn night. Every two hours. So we were told that it's so important for Theo to eat. And we've been so hell bent on making sure he eats enough. I think yesterday, we really overfed him. Oh, my God. Was he shit in his pants? Every two hours last night? My whole house is covered in poop. Thank God. I'm getting rid of pretty much all my furniture. Every rug is covered in poop. There's poop on the couch. There's poop on the bed. There's poop everywhere. Yeah, it was a really hard night. And I can't even complain because Ben did so much more than me, and he's not even complaining. But I have my period, so it made it harder.

There we go, everyone. You can mark that off on your calendar.

And by the way, it's like day three or four of my period, and I didn't even bring it up.

Yeah, you didn't bring it up day one.

Well, sometimes you have a period that joins you on day one and makes itself known. That's most of the time. It's like, it'll rock your world, day one. Day one was quiet for me this month.

I feel like periods day one usually solve my problems. Like, Oh, I've been feeling bloated and irritable. And it's like, Thank heavens the period has arrived. It's the days before that really.

Get me. No, for me, it's like, when I get my period, I'm like, Oh, that's why I've been eating so much. That's always what it is. But I'm always eating, you know?

Yeah, but at least once a month, you.

Have to excuse. I have something to... Let me frame it on. Yeah. So we just had a night and a half, and tonight, Ben's wonderful mother has agreed to watch Theo for the night. I need to sleep. We have not slept soundly in 11 days. My eye twitches on fleek. I know. Everyone who has actual children is rolling their eyes at me. Please, I'm doing the best that I can. I need a break. I'm not okay. So Theo is staying at his grandparents tonight, and honestly, I will miss him dearly. But my God, am I excited?

Are you going to go out?

I'm going to go to dinner, a nice civilized dinner, but I would like to be in bed by 10 o'clock.

Nice. Yeah.

Few things. One. Okay. I started Matthew Perry's book, and I just have to say I am in love with it.

I'm so glad.

It's amazing. If you're into friends, obviously, there's so many good friends things, but if you're just into Hollywood, I didn't know before he got cast in Friends, he was really a part of the Hollywood scene and all these people he came up with, and how many amazing things happened to him before Friends. Friends was aired in 1994, so this was really before our time. And I do have one complaint about the book, but you can definitely tell that the book is written by him, because I feel like if I sat down and had a conversation with Matthew Perry, I would know the exact type of personality I'd be sitting down with. He's very all over the place. And he'll start a story, and you're not sure why he said it. Maybe three chapters later, he'll bring that story back up. It's a little all over the place, but it's so good.

Yeah, I like when celebrities go out of their way and their editors and ghostwriters too, go out of their way to make sure the book sounds like the person like I felt that way about Paris Hilton's book. It very much felt like her train of thought.

Voice, yeah. No, it's really good. And there's a whole part in there about River Phoenix. I feel like River Phoenix is a big Hollywood thing that was also before our time. But Matthew Perry, before he was famous, got a role in... It was his first big deal role, even though the movie flopped in a movie with River Phoenix. And he was just such an unhappy young kid. Matthew Perry, he was an alcoholic from literally the time he was 14, and he was just so unhappy. And he had not a hard family life, but he came from a broken family. And this couple of weeks that he spent in Chicago with River Phoenix were the best of his life. When it was over, he cried in his hotel room. He didn't want to go home. And a few years later, River Phoenix famously died outside the Viper room from a drug overdose. And Matthew Perry lived down the block, and he heard the whole thing and he didn't know what was going on. He just went to sleep. And when he woke up the next morning, he found out that his friend, River Phoenix, had died.

There's just so many Hollywood moments in there. But I think the most interesting part of the book that I thought of you immediately is he spends his whole life in therapy. He's very transparent about the amount of money he spends and how much money he was making. He spent, in total, about seven million on his recovery. And because he's been sober, slash not sober, for 40 years. And he talks a lot about what he learned in therapy and why he was driven to drink. But when he was two months old, he was a very, very colicky baby. His parents couldn't fucking take it. It was nonstop screaming. So when he was two months old, they took him to the doctor and something they did in the 60s was they prescribed him a narcotic. Barbadol, at all, phenobarb at all. And it was the only thing that worked. So his parents would give it to him. He would literally be stoned and finally sleep for a day. And I think he contributes that to his chemical obsession, inability to stay away from alcohol and narcotics to that, which was something that they did very commonly in the 60s.

100 %. Isn't that crazy? I would say that that's a fair assessment. And that's what's so crazy. And that's the '60s. It's not even that far off, but things that.

Were like- Common.

-common and medically done and recommended were so wrong. There are so many things like that, and it just makes you.

Want to- A hysterectomy. -lobotomy. -lobotomy. Yeah, no, what are we doing now that in 50 years are going to be like, I can't believe they did that in the early 2000s.

No, that it was inhumane and cruel. I mean, I can think of a few things, honestly.

Isn't that such a... I was reading it, my mouth was hanging wide open.

That is shocking, but just added to the list. They used to put those leaches on you to suck the blood out of you. All throughout history, horrible medical ideas that were touted as revolutionary. And you're crazy if you're against this.

So also another thing about the book that I love, it's reminding me when I watch The Crown. The second I finish an episode of The Crown, I'm Googling 45,000 things. There are so many things about Methods. He's not like a nepo baby because... No, I guess he is. So his dad abandoned them in Canada, moved to L. A. He had these dreams of being an actor, and he ended up being the Old Spice guy, which at the time was how we would think of the Josephis guy. Everybody knew him.

Yeah, or Jake from State Farm.

Right. But he wasn't a celebrity, but he was a working actor who had this gig, and he was somewhat recognizable. So it afforded Matthew when he eventually moved to L. A, a little bit of clout, and he went to fancy private schools. His mom, I'm highlighting so many things from the book, his mom was in Canada. She became famous because she was Pierre Trudeau's Press Secretary. And she was just this beautiful woman who was tree pain, always photographed next to Pierre Trudeau. And she became a little bit of a socialite. And then she got this gig for the national news, and she became famous. And then she ended up marrying another news anchor who ended up being the host of Dateline, who everyone's obsessed with Keith Morrison, and they're still married to this day. But wait, what was the point? Oh, so Matthew Perry weirdly grew up hanging out with Justin Trudeau because they were similar ages. Actually, he went through a really rebellious phase. He was a really unhappy kid. And starting from the age of 10, he was just like a misery. He beat up Justin Trudeau. They got into a fight. They threw arms.

As friends or as foes? Foe.

So.

They weren't friends. They were just around each other.

A lot. Because the parents.

That's.

Really funny. No, it's an amazing book. I think it's a great Book Club book. And then, of course, I'm up to the part now where he books friends, and all of that is so interesting. The script hit the pilot scene, and there's a star of every pilot scene. It's like the show that's going to be big. I don't know if that happens so much anymore, but this was real- I think it does. But this was real, like you got a time slot. It was all very old school TV guide energy, and they just knew everyone in town was gunning for this role. And his best friend, he was best friends with this crew, Hank Azaria, who's that guy who does The Simpsons voice. And this other guy, Craig. Craig, got Chanler. Matthew Perry wanted it so bad, but he was locked into this dumb role for a sitcom that was going nowhere. It was about baggage claim handlers in the year 2100. He was like, I was so desperate. It was so stupid. And he couldn't audition for anything else. And he was so mad. He was like, Chanler is me. I know it. I know it.

His best friend gets the role. But his best friend gets the role and also gets offered something else, another role in another sitcom. So he sits down with Hank Azaria and he's like, Guys, what should I do? I got both these roles. Should I take friends or should I take this other one? And they said, You got to take friends. They were really honest with him. The guy takes the other role. Hand that to Matthew Perry. He didn't speak for two years.

So then how did Matthew get out of his thing?

It flopped, and one of the showrunners was married to one of the showrunners from Friends and was like, Hey, is your shit show going anywhere? We want Matthew Perry to read for Chanler. And they were like, Yeah, you can have them. They just happen to be married. Got it. No, it's so good. Lisa Kudro wrote The Forward, and it's very quick. I started it last night. I'm further into it than I was Iron Flame. Got it.

You should read it. I finished Iron Flame. Maybe I will read it. I have so many things I might want to read list now. Obviously, I have to read Brittany's book, but then I think I'm going to go in a more non-fiction direction. I'm just not in a fiction state of mind right now. No, wait.

So you're in a... Celebrity Memory is what you're looking for.

Yeah, I want truth.

Yeah, it's so good. I really highly recommend. Okay. Just don't be put off by his writing style. It's very erratic, but there's good shit in there. Now, another thing that happened to me today that I wanted to talk about that I'm so upset about, is that the Golden Bachelor was spoiled for me.

Wow. I mean, I know that Gary is, spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Engaged.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that.

That's how the show works. I don't know who the woman is.

I do. And I don't even engage with any Bachelor or Golden Bachelor things on TikTok. And this morning, they served me two back to back videos of the winner and him talking about their wedding planning. The first time I tried to ignore it and put her name out of my mind. The second time I saw it, her name is solidified in my mind.

I'm so sorry. Do not write it.

For me. I will not. I'm so upset.

Maybe you'll forget you do have a bad memory.

Yeah, but now that I've seen it twice and now I'm talking.

About it- And you're thinking about it, yeah.

It's with me for good.

Understood.

So we've got a great show today. So many stories that actually came across my desk in the last 24 hours that I sent to you. Did you include all three? Of course I did. So I'm excited about that. I feel like it's a juicy day for a Friday.

It is a juicy Friday with a juicy placenta.

Yikes. You look beautiful.

I got some new things for our family trip, and I couldn't wait to wear them.

That's how I felt. That's the thing about... And I've just experienced something similar because one of our sponsors and a brand that I've just now become obsessed with, and I really hadn't chopped out before, is Loft. And they just sent me a huge box. And I'm like, Oh, this is all perfect for our trip. I put it in the other room because I literally will just... I'm so... Oh, the outfit I'm wearing today was for my first box from Loft, and I'm like, Oh, this is perfect for our trip. I've worn it five times. I put the new box of stuff in another room. When you get stuff for a trip, how do you not wear it before?

Unless it's beach clothes. But I just want to say we are on camera every day. Why not wear our nice new things? And if I wear it again in four weeks, it'll be okay.

It'll be okay. But there's something exciting about having something new and wearing it for the first time on your trip.

But it's also something exciting about having a nice new outfit for your big show.

Where's your vest from?

It's from Revolve.

So cute.

And my top is Revolve. My pants are Lululemon, and my shoes are Ug.

My shoes are Ug, and my whole fit is loft.

I love it. I need to shop more loft stuff because now I need more new stuff.

No, guys, everyone's sleeping on loft.

I know we've been trying to.

Tell them. Well, honestly, I feel them. I think with brand association, we all think like, Anne Taylor Loft is where we used to get our pants for our internships. You don't think of it as comfy, cozy, cute. They had a whole rebrand, I think, and it's really cute stuff. I got scarves, gloves, matching sets, really cute stuff.

Oh, exciting. I need to do a bit more shopping, but I also have plenty of lounge wear. I don't need to go crazy, but I just wanted a few nice new things that I'm already wearing.

So for the stories today, Tree Pain has lit the universe on fire. And I cannot wait to talk about that. Yeah, we'll.

Start with that. Okay, so let's get into it.

Okay.

Without further ado, du du du du du. Here are the Fast Five stories that you need to know.

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Our first story, Taylor Swift's publicist, Tree Payne, slams gossiper over Dunois over the insane Joe Alwyn marriage ceremony claim. So here's what happened. Dunoit got a blind item about tailored, very long about Joe and nonsense, the song, Glitch, their relationship timeline, whatever. Then... Then, Du Mois posted that with the caption on top of it saying, She did have a ceremony in either 2020 or 2021 in the UK, and it was described to me as a marriage by more than one person. It was never made legal. I will die on this hill. Put it on my tombstone. I have no reason to lie. I could give a shit what she does. I'm sorry she didn't tell you guys about it in a song, but just because she doesn't sing about something doesn't mean it didn't happen. So then Tree Paine, who's Taylor Swift's publicist, the one and.

Only- You guys probably recognize her. She's that very tall, beautiful, redhead who's always with Taylor. She's like a really... Most publicists aren't front facing, but Taylor, everyone knows her publicist. She's popular within the Swift community.

She's only Taylor's publicist. She's not like someone who's just the publicist to the star.

She's in Miss America, too.

She's Taylor's mouthpiece. If she's saying something like she is speaking, she's the voice of Taylor.

She's like a full-time employee just for Taylor.

So this is Taylor speaking through tree saying, she screenshotted this saying, Enough is enough with these fabricated lies about Taylor from Du Mois. There was never a marriage or ceremony of any kind. This is an insane thing to post. It's time for you to be held accountable for the pain and trauma you caused with posts like these.

So I was shocked, absolutely gaffaud to be reading this for a multitude of reasons. One, Taylor tree never responds to anything. People say the crazy... Her thing is that she never responds, and it's a good strategy because nothing-.

You give life to it. I wouldn't have seen that DMOA post if not for Tree's response. So I found.

It even more shocking because I feel like maybe at one point, people were reading every word, DMOA said, probably during COVID, when everyone was really bored, they were really taking everything Du Mois said as gospel. But then over the years, so many things came out to be not true. So now it's just like a fun thing that people enjoy. It's like tabloids-y. But I don't think... And I would love for people to sound off in the comments. When you read something on Du Mois, what do you think about it? Because for me, at least, I'm like, It's so 50-50. I really don't give it much credence. So to find that Taylor Swift, the biggest star, the Beatles of our generation, would be bothered by and respond and give air to something posted on Du Mois, I find so shocking because from my point of view, something being posted on Du Mois is meaningless these days. Am I wrong?

No, it's- But it holds less weight than it once did, because a lot of things have come out to be not true. And also, just people are not as highly engaged with that content as they once were. But she, Du Mois sometimes will post something and is like, this is what people are saying. Take it or leave it. That's what she does most of the time. She literally says, Not verified rumors. But here she's throwing her whole weight. I will die on this hill. Put it on my tombstone. Still, I don't think it was a required response from tree, because I think that tree and Taylor are there above this.

They're huge.

But she never really goes that hard for a rumor.

Yeah, but also, does her going hard for a rumor move the needle in terms of public perception? I feel like, no.

I feel like when I think about blinds, I think about Enty, and I feel like I got to that place. I used to read them every day and be like, Oh, my gosh. And then I got to a place where it was like, I'll keep this in the back of my mind about someone, but it's not going to color everything that I think about them. But if he said, I will die on this hill, put this on my tombstone, this is where I'm going to stake my claim. This is what I know for sure. If I was like, this shirt has holes.

I would love thumb holes.

Norma Kamali, Queen. If I was even a fan or a passive fan, I'd be like, Oh, okay. So that's true.

So let's backtrack a little bit.

So I think- And I just also want to say, Jumaw has responded.

Yes, we'll get to that.

In a minute. We'll get to that. But let's talk.

About this. So a little bit of context for someone who might not be as chronically online as me is that Taylor, like a few days ago, released a song that had been like an... An exclusive, what's it called? Like a delux bonus song, if you bought her CD. Now there's ripped off versions all over TikTok. If you're a Swifty, you know it and you might not have ever actually streamed it. But this week she actually put it on Spotify to say, Thank you for making me the number one girly. And the song is called You're Losing Me. And it's very clearly about Joe Alwyn, I wouldn't marry me either. A pathological people pleaser who only wanted you to see her. It's very much like a breakup song, whatever. So nothing about that was particularly shocking, except then a day later, after the song was released in order to promote the song, Jack Antonof posted a picture of Taylor. And I think it was from the day they wrote the song, and he shared that the song was written in 2021. So that made this swifty spiral to be like, Wait, Taylor's been unhappy in this relationship since 2021.

Have they been broken up that long? So to to Mwas posting this was on the heels of everyone being like, Wait, have these two really actually not even been together since 2021? And then she said, These two were actually married. I know it and my bones, whatever, whatever. So now the question is, well.

She said they had a marriage ceremony, but it was never made legal.

The question is, what about this? Dunois posting. Bothered Taylor so much? You want to.

Know what I think it could be?

What?

I think that maybe, if she technically had a ceremony where she was married to Joe, and she never told that to Travis, and now Travis might be thinking like, Do you have an ex-husband? No. Were you married to Joe? No, I don't think so. Were you married to Joe? Claudia, yes. And so she needs to adamantly state like, I was never married before, because not that I would make Travis think of her any differently, but that's something that you would disclose to a new partner. So it's like, Wait, did she not tell me that she was married?

So that's a crazy hypothesis. The one that I'm choosing to believe that I do credit to Liz Woods, she put this on her story, and it made a lot of sense, is that Taylor and Travis are getting really serious. And the idea that they could be married or engaged sometime soon isn't out of the realm of possibility. And so Jack Antonov posting that this song about the breakup was actually written in 2021, puts a lot more room between her two relationships, making it easier for people to digest.

Okay, not that anyone had something to digest that relationship seemed far enough apart from me, but piggybacking off of that, what I thought you were going to say is that she's taking this relationship very seriously. She wants to perhaps marry him, and she wants the world to know that this would be her first and only marriage. If now we know she had this little marriage with Joe like, Oh, so this is a second marriage. It's different, as opposed to like, No, I'm finally choosing to wed this man, not any man.

The more you say it, it's not crazy, but also totally separately. There's a new Hulu documentary about Traylor and Travis with sports experts and pop culture experts, and we are on it.

We.

Are?

They reached out to us about sitting down.

They wanted us to be experts on the doc. I didn't want to do it, but they still included us, just clips from our podcast because they were talking about how the whole world is obsessed with this. And they say even The Toast podcast was talking about it, and they had a little clip of us. Oh, my God.

Thank you. That's the perfect amount of involvement for me.

One of the editors is a toaster.

Oh, my God. I'm obsessed because they always do... Whenever there's a documentary about pop culture, they always do a round up of it in the news, and it's like, Yeah, we should be in there.

Yeah, it was very sweet.

Oh, my God. I'm going to watch it. Yeah.

It's about the 25-minute mark I watched the whole thing.

Okay, well, you would have maybe watched it anyway because that's your beat. You like the beat. Was there any new information about trailer that.

You didn't know? No, it was very basic. It's for an older person who is like, What's going on with this Taylor Swift?

Got it. Okay, so that is what happened between tree and Dew.

Last night. But then do responded.

But then do responded. By the way, sorry. Honestly, when I saw that tree woke up and decided to drag do by her hair, I was quaking for do.

Okay, so that's what I was just about to say. Do you think Do Da Do is shitting her fucking pants? Because I think maybe some people do realize and some don't like, Do is just one gal. It's not a whole media company. It's just one girly who does all this work. She's very nice. I would die.

Right. So I would have thought that Doodadoo Moie was shitting herself Oh, my God. Shuck. And then crawl into a hole for a little bit. Let this blow over. But then she responded, and her response, she had some big brass balls because she's doubling down. And I have more respect for that, and I actually think that's a better strategy than her cowering into herself.

Well, if she does cower and just be like, I'm sorry. No one will believe anything she ever says.

Right, but it's much easier to do that than it is to stand your ground, especially because pain and trauma? Okay, sorry.

Yeah, but it is easy to stand your ground, anonymously.

But she's not... Insiders know who she is. Like, truly knows who.

She is. Yes.

Also, she's come out.

There's.

An article, I think that she contributed... There's an article about due and who due is, and I feel like she-.

Vulture did a piece, like we figured it out.

Oh, was it figured it out?

Not like- A sit down.

-not due's.

Coming out? No, it wasn't a due-d-d-oo-out-debutant-ball.

Okay, well, this is what due said in response. She said, Well, I make zero dollars from lying. Can publicists say the same? Also, to relate something that is in reference to something that happened years ago to, quote, pain and trauma after what just happened seems like a poor choice of words. Either way, I apologize.

To Taylor. After what just happened, what happened?

So the deadline article I'm reading thinks that it's about the fan in Rio. I, of course, think it's about October seventh. You know.

I'm thinking too. That's what I.

Was thinking too. I'm like, okay. That's just where my pain and.

Trauma like- Right.

But I do think it's about the fan. After what? Just probably the fan.

No, that response is like a knife. I don't think this was wise. It's so out of character.

Not wise.

For tree? Yeah. It's so out of character to respond to anything. But I don't know, does Jamois still have that chokehold on the culture? Please, sound off in the comments, because for me personally, it doesn't penetrate anymore. There was a time, though, that it did.

I don't think it was like, Du Mois posted this and everybody was like, Oh, my God. Taylor's been married. Because apparently, Du Mois has been saying this.

For a while. Yes, she has.

I think that maybe, you know, Kylie Kelsey is a big Du Mois fan, and she saw this and she's like, Travis, do you know that Taylor has been married? And then everything got blown up.

I don't think Kyleie Kelsey or really anyone in the Kelsey clan is reading tabloid.

Honestly, I think if anybody is reading Kylieie Kelsey would be the last person.

Yeah.

Maybe Mama, Kelsey, loves Du Mois. She's on.

Her cruise. There's no way.

Mama Kelsey is tapping through her IG stories.

By the way, so there's a celebrity cruise going on right now that a lot of celebrities are on. Mama, Kelsey.

Oh, my God. That's the one that Ben was supposed.

To be on? That's the one that Ben was supposed to leave for a few days ago, but he stayed home with Theo and canceled his trip. I told him to go. I'm actually so glad he didn't. I could not be doing this by myself. But Ben was supposed to be there. I'm literally Madison B right now. I was supposed to be in the video.

I am glad that Ben is with you and with Duh Duh the first, but he should be on a cruise with Mama Kelsey.

That's what the world needs. No, Donna and Eufagenia, like a lethal combination.

That's.

Upsetting. I know.

But there's no worthy or cause to stay home for. I don't have a...

There was nothing else to be done. Yeah, of course. But it sucks for Celebrity Cruises because it's a celebrity cruise line, and they could have gotten bench off her celebrity, and that just sucks for them.

Yeah, but they do have Mama Kelsey, and she was listening to Taylor Swift in the background of her story. Yes, she's so cute. I thought she was tapping through.

By the way, so Taylor and Andrea, she's supposed to be with Donna and the Kelsies in Kansas City for that game, but then the shows in Rio got postponed, so her schedule got fucked up. I do feel like... I don't think the families have met yet, and I do think they'll probably spend the holidays together.

In Kansas City?

Somewhere.

They're saying she's staying in Kansas City for a while. I don't know if Holiday House is going to happen.

It's going to happen, yes. She's in Kansas City, even though she did leave to go to London last night to go to Beyonce's premiere for Renaissance movie. And Beyonce had a premiere in the States, and Taylor wasn't there because she had a show. But I was like, Damn. Beyonce showed up for you and you're not showing up for Beyonce. I was like, Damn, that's crazy. No, she got her ass on a plane. She made it work. She got her ass on a plane. I'm sure she's back in Kansas City already. She just flew in for this event. So she is, like homebase is Kansas City. And a few hours after Taylor landed in Kansas City, Travis was seen at Trader Joe's in the local Kansas City town, and he was buying ice cream for Taylor and people were freaking.

How do you know it's for Taylor?

I just feel like Travis is an athlete. He probably doesn't need ice cream.

No, I feel like he's eats a million calories a day. But what's.

More classic? It's like, Babe, I'm hungry. Can you go get me ice cream? It's for Taylor.

I think it's for both of them. Oh, okay. I think we all like ice cream.

I think they both do probably like ice cream.

Sharing a spoon?

So cute.

One spoon? What flavor? Did anyone get the flavor?

No, apparently people in Kansas City were so respectful. I saw that. There were videos of him walking around the store totally normally. Not one person went up to him. He was lovely. Everyone was well behaved. So I'm sure that's why he loves his town so much. They really respect him, even at this level. They're leaving him alone.

Yeah, that's hysterical. Okay, so that is what went down betweenmean, tree, Taylor and and and I.

Just want to go on the record saying this was an uncharacteristic move of Tree and Taylor, and I actually don't think it was the right move.

And one more question. Do you think they had a ceremony?

No. I do not think they would have responded so publicly, which they never do, if there was even a glimmer of truth to it. Because that's an insane thing to do.

I think it's one of those things where a ceremony can be interpreted into a lot of different things. They're talking about the same event, and in tree's mind, this was not a marriage of any kind. And in dude's mind, it's like, Oh, this was a ceremony in the Elk of a wedding.

Elk, yeah.

Wedding Elk.

Yeah, it's possible.

I have to add that to the list of words that we're never going to use properly again.

Or say properly, because it's like Elk.

No, it's elk, but I'm saying the wrong word. Like, Elk is an animal.

Oh, yeah. So you're saying it wrong, but you're using it right.

I guess both, yeah. Okay, just going to add that. Great.

But you know what? We can't be held back by social constructs and words and their meanings because we are the Elk of Dreamers. We are.

Also, language is ever evolving. And why can't we put our spin on it?

It's so-It's so true. Language is, for me at least, it's interpretive.

You know what it's giving?

The Tower of Babel.

The Tower of Babel. It always comes back to the Tower of Babel.

So true.

The Tower of Babel is my Roman Empire. Really, one of them that I'm constantly cross-referencing in my head. Like, tower of Babel. What a lesson. What a lesson. What a lesson. You want to know what the moral of the story of tower of Babel is?

Shut the fuck up.

No, it's about girl bossing too close to the son.

Literally. It's beautiful.

Are you ready for our next story? Yeah. Kelly Clarkson's ex-Brandon Blackstock must pay her over $2.6 million for unlawfully procured business deals.

-obsessed.

Okay, if there was like... We used to do this in our family, like Weenie of the Week.

Oh, my God. Have we ever told the toaster about Weenie of the Week? It was one of the most hurtful things ever, because we would do just like the sisters, and we wouldn't do it every week.

No, but when that's ever someone would remember we would do Weenie of the Week, and we would.

Like- We'd all nominate one other person. We couldn't nominate.

Ourselves, obviously. No, a sister, not a person in the world. It was between the four of us, and we had to nominate one of the sisters as the Weenie of the week and cite what they did that was weenie-ish.

And the way you and Olivia only ever chose me and Margo, you and Olivia never won Weenie of the week.

We formed an alliance.

It was always me or Margo. And it was stupid because it wasn't fair.

No, I mean, it doesn't seem like the most fair and generous of spirit game.

No, I hated Weenie of the week. It was always me.

Well, I just want to say, Brennan Blackstock is the Weenie of the year.

I forgot why we were talking about Weenie of the week. Brennan Blackstock is the weenie of the week every week. Oh, my God.

This man just takes L after L after L, and it's all because of his action. His actions. So it's like it's justice.

No, it's actually beautiful to be watching someone face the consequences of their actions over and over again. This is a bad person who stole and.

Manipulated- And.

Took advantage of- -the woman he love, the mother of his children. How rotten can you be?

And it's like, of course, mother of children, woman you love. You should never betray her. But also, it's Kelly Clarks in America's sweetheart, pure goodness.

No, and I know that the judge presiding over this case, he was calling and voting for Kelly Clarkson.

That's how deep.

The Kelly Stanhood runs. But it's actually so true, because when American idol was on, even if you watch it religiously or you just like- Passive. -were a living person, you were impacted by Kelly Clarkson.

So it's actually- You don't think the judge was calling for.

Justin Gordy? No. Was anyone?

I think that when Kelly cried during piece by piece, the judge cried during piece by piece.

1,000 %.

And now we're seeing the.

Judge- I just think it's going to be impossible for Brandon Blackstone to get a fair trial on this country because of Kelly's impact.

Well, you should think about who you're harming then. It's true. You should also just think.

About- Harming in general.

-harming in general. It's a good lesson. I love this. Here's the story. Brandon Blackstock helped orchestrate several business deals for his ex-wife, Kelly Clarkson, while serving as her manager. But he wasn't supposed to. A California Labor Commissioner has ruled. Earlier this month, Clarkson scored a victory in her latest legal battle against Blackstock. According to documents obtained by people, he's been to pay her $2.6 million for overstepping in his managerial role and unlawfully procuring deals that should have been handled by a talent agent. His legal team has filed to appeal the ruling.

I hate this man with every fiber of my being, and I just feel like in the last year or two, Kelly's had a couple of really big legal wins because she didn't do anything wrong and the laws on her side. And the judicial system is slow, but the wheels of justice are turning in Kelly's favor. So this is just another one. She won that child support thing. She won the pre-nup. He tried to have the pre-nup void. He's just been a dick at every turn. And he took her house. Yeah, the ranch, and he was ordered to give it back. To see him losing brings me great joy.

Yeah, the wheels of justice turn slowly.

And of course, not to bring gender into it, but to see a man like a greedy little fuck try and leach off a successful woman who's a mother, an entrepreneur, or a touring singer, a daytime host, to see an unemployed slob try and bleed her out, suck her dry, it makes me sick. Men should be ashamed. It's terrible.

Yeah. No, especially I feel like there are a lot of men who, when they're married to a woman, they try and manage and take a bit and make themselves and ride the coattails. And to some degree, that's their job, and that's lawful, and they're just, Why should someone else have this job if I can do it? The fact that he was also being- A crook?

A crook.

About it. Yeah.

Why don't you just ride her coatails lawfully?

Why don't you just be normal and be like a stay at home husband? I'm sure Kelly would have been happy to make the fortune and you just not.

Do anything. He's a music manager. Have other clients. Don't shit where you eat. By the.

Way, he did have other clients. That's what's so greedy about this. He was Blake Shelton's manager. And when Kelly and him decided to get divorced, Blake Shelton took Kelly's side and dropped him as his manager. But up until that point, he had a career of his own. So why you got to go and steal too?

Why you got to be so mean?

No, I want him to lose every penny to his name. Like, you're going to be a criminal? Cool. Kelly is coming for you.

Yeah, Kelly is coming for you. Are you ready for our next story?

What number is this? Three. Yes.

It's some Disney T from back in the day. I don't know if you've seen it, but we always loved Disney T from back in the day. So Kim Rhodes, who.

Played the mom- Actually, right before we started watching this, I was watching a clip of her on Christy Carlson-Romano's podcast.

Exactly. Kim Rhodes, who played the mom on Sweet Life and Zach and Cody. She played the singing mom, who's the mother to the twins.

The cabaret? She was like cabaret with the cowdice.

Before it was cool. She was crazy queen.

No, I was obsessed with her.

Of course you were, because she was living her dream, singing. She eventually sings on a cruise ship. It takes her everywhere.

She's singing at a luxury hotel. No, and her passion afforded her children amazing opportunity. She was an incredible mom. She was a single mom who works two jobs, who loves her kids and never stops. A gentle hand and the heart of a fighter. She's literally a survivor.

Yeah. So she choked up as she recalled an incident on Christy Carlson, Romano's vulnerable podcast, where she claimed that an executive allegedly body shamed Dylan Sprouse in front of the show's cast and crew. She said the executive had screamed at Kraft Services that there should be no more junk food until Dylan looked like his twin brother, Cole, who also starring on the Disney Channel's sitcom. She defended the then teenager at the time and fucking lit into the network, Bigwig, whom she refused to name. I was like, You do not have the right to say that to a child. You do not have the right to be writing for children if that is your attitude. Never again do you speak like that. Never. She also recalled a time where the boys were, I think it was Dylan, he was instructed to make a fat joke about her on the show, and he wouldn't say it. He just kept skipping over it, she told listeners. She said, It was like in the middle of a chunk of dialog, so he kept skipping this laugh line. Finally, we get in front of the studio audience, and he skips it, and the executive producer screams cut, Dylan, say the line.

And he goes, I would never disrespect any woman that way, let alone this woman. Oh my God. You write something funny, and I'll say it.

Oh, okay, Slay with the nine-year-old.

That's the one of those quotes that it's like, I don't know that a nine-year-old said, or he was probably 13, I will never disrespect any woman that way, let alone this woman. But I do believe that.

He- He said some iteration of that.

A child's version of it, and that he refused to say the joke and refused to disrespect her. But there was a lot of mutual standing up for one another. Yeah.

That's a story about Craft Services when I saw the clip, that was wild. Because I do remember a time, of course, where the twins looked different, but they were pubescent kids. That's what happens. And honestly, I think for a lot of people, it was how they started telling Dylan and Cole apart. And I think it actually, in the end, contributed to a lot of their individuality, like for real. Yeah. I do, because I think as a twin, they were so similar looking. The hair, the clothes, everything. So I think it established them as two different people at first. And I don't think it was a bad thing. And to know... I feel like... So there's this conversation being had now on social media, especially on TikTok, where there's a couple of former who are grown now whose entire brand is what basically Christy Carlson-Ramano is doing, having a podcast, inviting others on, and talking about their show. So the three kids from Neds to Classified School Survival Guide have their own show that's beingtalked about Annalise Vanderpold, who is Chelsea from That's a Raven, has her own. Christy Carlson-Ramano, of course, the Wizards of Waverley Place.

And people on TikTok are dragging them because it's annoying and it's all they talk about and all their TikToks. Everything is just about this one job that they had. But I don't feel that way about this particular conversation because I watched a lot of this podcast, and Kim Rhodes talks also about how she's very famous. People recognize her. She doesn't have a career. She said she's virtually unbookable. She doesn't have health insurance. I actually did think it was an interesting conversation. And Kim Rhodes seems like a really nice lady.

Yeah. No, that conversation doesn't bother me. I feel like it's the opposite that bothers us. When people are known from their one show and they don't talk about it and they think they're better than that.

But see, as a child star, there's really no way to win, because if you don't talk about it, we are like, Oh, my God, it's annoying. Talk about the thing. And if you talk about it, they're like, Oh, my God. Will you ever stop talking about it? How are you supposed to exist.

Post that? Well, that's like anything. You'll never make people happy. So just talk about it to the degree in which you're comfortable.

Yeah, I feel like someone who does a good job of that is Josh Peck.

Yeah.

Because he obviously has this thing, Drake and Josh, that's so huge. But he really did a good job of like, he talks about it if you ask him about it, but he doesn't make it his personality. And he'll engage with the funny, hug me brother type of things. But he also has a life and a family that he talks about and fatherhood. And he was in the blog squad temporarily. He has other things that people... I feel like when I just said Josh Peck, your immediate thought wasn't Drake and Josh, right?

No. It's good, guys. It's good, guys. Right.

And Oppenheimer. Yeah. So I think he's a perfect example of how to toe the line, but I imagine it's very difficult.

Yeah. You know who I feel like actually does a pretty good job considering it's hard?

Who?

Hillary Duff.

Yes, but Hillary Duff is different because she went on to be in things that were just as big as Lizzie Maguire.

Yeah, that's true.

So it's a difficult spot to be in.

Yeah. Well, okay, TikTokers, if you don't like it, don't listen to it.

Yeah. And I thought that Christy Carlson-Ramano actually did a really good job with this interview because Kim Rhodes was dropping truth bombs after truth bombs. And I thought that story about Craft Services was just wild. And it's something I could see happening.

Oh, of course. The people who run those kid shows are disgusting.

Disgusting.

I feel like a tip of the iceberg... I mean, the way that they make kids feel, the way that they talk to kids, that doesn't even go below the surface of some of the stuff that happens.

Right, but I always felt like those types of stories were really reserved for the other networks, especially Nicolodian. I think Nicolodeon. And if you read Janette McCurdy's book, there's so much in there about Nicolodian. I don't really know of a lot of traumatizing moments or stories that I can think of.

From Disney. I think Disney was very exploitative. You think of Miley and Selena and Demi, they're all traumatized from Disney. Not necessarily in the way that some of the Nicolodian kids might have been traumatized, and I think we're all talking about like down Schneider and the allegations against him. So I hadn't heard anything about that at Disney, but I think it was, as far as kids... I feel like a toxic work environment.

They're not treating kids.

With kid gloves.

Yeah, not treating kids as kids.

Yeah, they couldn't get... They have to do their schooling, and they have to do their show. The centerpiece of the show, and they're the centerpiece of the show. There's so much pressure on them, and their kids going through puberty and their emotions are heightened, and no one's there caring for them. They're just like, get back to work.

Yeah, I know it's very like a sweatshop, like 24-7.

So I don't think they look back on it fondly, but I think maybe an adult like Kim Rhodes, in certain... When you're an adult and you're on this great show and you have a lead role, but it's not all on you. It's more of a palatable work environment, except for when they're fat-chaming everyone.

Right. She just seemed like a really... Like she had a great hat on her shoulders in the interview. She looks really similar. She just has a big arm tattoo. She seemed like a sweet lady. She reminded me a lot of her character, like a very maternal energy, very calm, peaceful. I really like her.

We need Sweet Life of Zach and Cody reboot. Do we? Yeah, with her and the boys. Everyone. I want everyone. Mr. Mosby, London-.

In terms of that show, there's actually a lot of actors from that show who went on to have... Usually it's just like the star. But we have Dylan and Cole, Brenda Song, Ashley Tisdale. There's quite a few people who.

Made it out. Even Mr. Mosby.

Does he act and other stuff?

Yeah, I'm pretty sure.

I'm pretty sure he was convicted of manslaughter in 2014 or something.

What?

Yeah. Phil Lewis is his name, right?

Yeah. Okay, never mind.

Am I right.

About manslaughter? Why did Phil Lewis get arrested? He was involved in a horrendous tragedy. Okay, never mind.

Yeah.

Yikes.

Yeah.

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Okay, our next story, a little clarity on one of the breakups from this past week. Dave Portnoy reveals the reason behind his split with Silvana.

Okay.

So Dave Portnoy was on his podcast, BFF's pod, just one week after she revealed they're no longer together. And this is what he said, because a lot of people were wondering why they broke up. There was the Raquelle rumor, which obviously wasn't true.

I'm sorry. If people.

Believe the Raquelle rumor- No, I don't think people do, but people are still waiting.

We need to all use critical thinking sometimes. The way rumors just get spread so fast, like people are being stupid. Like you're being dumb. Use your brain. He obviously didn't hook up with Raquel.

He said, We were dating for three years, and I guess you get to a point where you think maybe there's a difference in what somebody wants and what the other person wants. Without going into too much detail, I just didn't think I could give Silvana what she deserves. She's so beautiful. She's funny. She's smart. She's all these things. He admitted that it was probably a me issue, and he doesn't think that he is the guy she is looking for and is going to be able to provide her with what she needs down the road. He said he felt like he was, quote, stealing Silvana's youth, but didn't elaborate on whether or not had to do with the brunette beauty wanting to settle down. That's probably what it was. It's getting like, got to sick. Yeah, of course. It's getting like, got to sick. Shepp and Taylor are like, I don't want to be married. I don't want to have kids. And a young girl is like, okay, with that, up until a certain point.

No, and a young girl, every girl thinks like, Yeah, he says that, but I'm different.

Yeah, and we have a great relationship for three years. Even the way he's talking about her on the podcast. She was his best friend. He misses her so much. He's very concerned and wants good things for her. It literally is exactly, Chepp and Taylor, if you watch Southern Charm. They were such a great couple. Chepp was so happy. Taylor loved him so much and was waiting for him to get it. But there are men who just never will settle down. You can be the perfect person inside and out and do everything and be there, ready, willing, and able, and they just don't want that. I don't understand it, but that's just them.

No, same. I wasn't particularly surprised by this breakup. I think there's really only so long you can be in a relationship that doesn't progress before things get troublesome, and that's exactly what.

Happened here. As a young woman, when you have- Your whole life ahead of you. -desires for what you want your life to look like. I mean, if you're a young girl who never wants to get married and never wants to have kids, you should call Dave Portnois. It's so true. But I think even sometimes young girls go into a relationship like that. Oh, I don't care about marriage and kids. But then you grow up within the relationship, and those things start to matter for you, and then the relationship can't work. I just can't understand. I feel this way when I'm watching Southern Charm, I felt this way about Scott Disik with Sofia Richey. And he's always dating young girls because a girl at 21, yes, she doesn't want to get married yet, but when she's 25, she's like, Hey, what about that marriage? I don't understand these men who are so against marriage and kids. The thing is, same.

Because if you're going to be in a three year monogamous relationship, that's marriage. Getting married changes nothing. From being in a committed relationship, making the jump to marriage, quite literally, your life doesn't change at all. I understand people being very hesitant to have kids. That's your whole life being flipped on a dime. But the fear of commitment while being in a committed relationship makes no sense to me.

Yeah, people are very freaked out.

About marriage. You're living with someone. You're monogamous. You do everything together. You hang out with her family. She hangs out with your family. How is that different than just.

Being married? I think the kids is a big piece of it. I think for everyone, it's like, Okay, well, we're getting married then we're having kids. Therefore, we cannot get married. I feel like the men feel that way, and also the women feel that way. I don't want to necessarily be married to someone that I can't have kids with if I want to have kids.

Yes. No, for sure.

So that answers that, and it makes sense. I'm just like, Why?

Why? No, but also Dave Portnois, a lot of people forget, was married.

Right.

A million years ago. No.

No.

That would be crazy.

Yeah. I don't know what happens to men like this, like Cheppes. Yeah, and I mean, Scott obviously has kids, but does it ever change?

No. I mean, George.

Clooney- Do they become like that guy in their 60s? Yeah, who's finally ready?

George Clooney? Yeah. Hes the one who dragged that Stacey Kiebler around town for years. I don't know. He felt a.

Little different. He was always dating age-appropriate women.

Yes, but they never, ever, ever got serious past just being in a committed relationship. Never engaged, never married, never kids. Then I don't know if it's the woman, was a mall different, but he dated beautiful, successful, smart women his whole life. They were all wonderful wives, could be wonderful wives and mothers, and they all went on to be wonderful wives and mothers.

It's.

Not about the woman. It's like that thing from Sex in the City. It's really the perfect metaphor. Every man is a cab. And if you hail one when his light is on, it's just timing. It's not you.

Yeah, it's timing. But I don't know how people like this change or when or why they would. Maybe they get older and they start to have an existential crisis and they're like, Let me try something different. But to me, like Chepp and Dave are the same person, and I just don't see them ever changing.

No, yeah. Chepp is also just very stubborn.

Yeah.

I don't know, Dave, but I-.

In this situation, if you were watching Southern Charm right now, Taylor and Chepp were the perfect couple. Like, she made me so happy. He literally cried. They shared a dog, and it's Chepp's dog, little Craig. And when Chepp sees Taylor with the dog who she had to leave when they broke up, he cries over missing Taylor and their dog and their little family. And it's like, Why not marry the girl?

You love her so much.

You love her so much. Even when Paige, she went down to South Carolina. She was like, Shep loves Taylor so much. What if you just stayed with her and got married?

No, I can't with people who refuse to be happy.

Also, what's crazy is like, Cheppes parents are still together.

So what- He grew up in a.

Loving home. What's the problem?

Right, back to Matthew Perry's book. He's never been able to have any happiness when it comes to relationships. He was abandoned as a child. That carried him through his entire life. Every year for his birthday, he would wish for his parents to get back together. His parents fucking hated each other. They maybe have been in the same room three times in the last 15 years, hated it. And that is so prevalent. His mother really never gave him attention. She worked so hard. She was a single mom. All he ever wanted was attention. He has a fear of abandonment. He just used to leave good relationships before that person left him. There's a psychological reason.

When he spelt it out- Yes, he's been burned. He has past pain. He doesn't believe in it. He has mommy issues. He's never seen it. If you can't see it, you can't achieve it.

Yeah, I believe Dave Portnoy's parents are also still married. What?

Right, so what is this? I don't know. I don't know. But, like Girls, you can't change them.

Yeah, if you're in one of these situations thinking you're going to be different, I love you. I'm sure you're an amazing person, but you're not different. It's not about you. It's just about something. And sometimes the switch never flips for a man. Sometimes it does. It has nothing to do with the girl, but sometimes they don't. Do not be wasting your time in relationships like this. For real. It will... You will drive yourself mad, and you'll think it's about you when it's not.

Yeah, well, at least he said it's a me problem. Right. At least he was kind enough to realize he's stealing her youth, and she should get on with it. I have.

To imagine he was pretty open with her from the beginning. You don't get into a three year relationship without telling someone you don't want to get married.

Yeah, they broke up the Sunday before Thanksgiving. They were supposed to spend Thanksgiving together. They just got into a conversation about the future. He said it wasn't the first conversation like this, but it was the last one. Yikes. Yeah, it was a little out of left field, considering it's the holidays. The timeline wasn't great. I think their parents were both in town, ready to spend. But that's it. That's how the cookie crumbled. Speaking of cookies, are you ready for our fifth and final story?

I am. I love this story.

Subway announced is footlong cookies and is giving them out for free on Monday. So again, if there's a free snack, the toast is going to let you know where to find it. And this one is a special one because it's a foot-long cookie.

But it's also Subway, and the reason why I wanted to talk about this story is we rail on Subway all the time. We don't eat their sandwiches. The stores smell like shit, but their chocolate chip cookies are amazing.

Yeah, and they must be in a special vacuum sealed vault because they don't smell like the rest of.

The store. No, it's true. So the fact that they're doing something different with their cookies, and they're known for their footlong, so it's like a funny... It's like literally it looks like a piece of bread. It's a footlong cookie. I'm actually getting two of those and putting a little bit of ice cream between them.

Chef's kid. You should go treat yourself. 100 %. On Monday though, when it's free.

I love this ingenuity in marketing and baking, and I give this tens, tens, tens across the board.

The Subchain announced it will add 12-inch cookies to menus nationwide in early 2024. But before adding the footlong dessert across the country, Subway is handing out the new dessert for free at select locations next week. So listen up. Monday, December fourth is National Cookie Day, and fans can visit a restaurant in Chicago, Dallas, Miami, and New York City to snag one free footlong cookie with any purchase of any footlong sub. Okay, you have to buy a sub, so it's not totally free? 30? You have to buy a sub, so it's not totally free? Get them a tuna sandwich. Doesn't he love their tuna? Or he hates it? It's not.

Real tuna. He used to eat it a lot as a kid, and then it came out a few years ago. There's actually not even a one % trace of tuna fish in their tuna salad.

Got it.

But wait, this just reminded me of something.

Okay.

I saw something on TikTok over the weekend. It was just like the biggest chain restaurants in the United States in terms of locations.

Okay.

I want you to guess.

Mcdonalds.

Is number one, yes. Number two?

Subway. Yes. Well, just because we're talking about it, and you- Don't you find that- And you seem surprised.

-strange.

I can't say that I do. I'm not an expert on the matter because I don't keep up with subway. If I pass a subway, I don't register it. If I pass at McDonalds, Golden Arches.

Number three.

Taco Bell?

It's like a different category. You have to think a little bigger, like Chains.

A drink chain? Starbucks?

Yes. Four? You're never going to guess it. I found it shocking. Duncan? No.

Red Robin?

Kfc.

Oh, that's not that crazy.

Six.

Can you just tell me?

Burger King. Okay. Seven, Pizza Hut. Is eight, Domino's. Nine, Duncan. 10, Krispy Kream. Taco Bell is 11.

10, Krispy Kream? To me, they're like- So random. -a diamond and a needle and a haystack. You can never find one.

Right, but this is just about location. So I do think it's regional to certain areas.

No, so there are people who have Krispy Kream of Plenty. The way that we have Duncan in New York, they have Krispies?

Yes.

Where can we move to?

They have, over 10,000 locations. To put in perspective, McDonalds, which is number one, has 40,000 and Subway has 37,000.

Starbucks has 36,000. That's because McDonalds is not a burger business. It's a real estate company.

Right. And we learned that from... What was that? The founder?

The founder. If you haven't seen the founder, add that to your list of family movies.

It's amazing. It's so good.

Also, I want to just talk about something for a brief second, and it's about Spotify-Wrapped. Okay. Are you starting to see more and more inconsistent information coming out of Spotify-Wrapped?

I'm not really looking for inconsistency.

I'm not looking for it either, but everybody's listening sounds brings them to Provo, Utah.

Yeah, I.

Heard about that. Mine was too. What was your listening sound?

I didn't see that statistic. I don't even know what people were talking about. I must have.

Tapped through it. They had some random statistics. You listen most similarly to Provo, Utah, like a bunch of people. What's going on in Provo? That's where those.

Schools are. I was going to say, what's going on in Provo is illegal.

That's where those ESG schools are, that-.

Where Paris Hilton went, Provo Canyon. They're like, behavioral institutions.

I don't think they get to listen to music there.

Right. I guess what they're saying is you have the same music taste as an angsty teen.

Or EGS, not ESG. I have the same music taste as an angsty teen. Anyways, I'm just seeing like... And people, they're not making sense. I feel like there was some planting going on on the lists.

Well.

Spotify, you have 24 hours.

To respond. To bring it all the way to the top, was Taylor even the number one most streamed artist? Or did they want in on the Taylor-.

I do think she was. I really do. I think it's.

Fairly- I think it's believable because everybody's listening to her. She had three albums to night.

Because nobody had Taylor Swift in her top five, and was like, What? I never listened.

To Taylor Swift. I know. I'm just saying, Spotify rep doesn't seem as data-driven as it once did. That's all I'm saying.

Oh, wow. That's a huge accusation to her.

It's a huge... I just feel like there were a couple things that were planted in there. Not necessarily Taylor, but then it makes you question the validity of Taylor. If there's one lie, it makes you question what else.

Could be a lie. If it's rotten at its core-.

Yeah, if there's a piece of rot you have to peel away, is the whole thing rotten? And I've never felt like that about.

Spotify rep. You haven't. You're always lauding it for its accuracy.

I'm such a champion of Spotify-Wrapped.

You really are. But we.

Have to be asking the hard questions or else we're not doing our jobs.

It's so true.

Now we can go embark on the weekend, have our lunch. Let's do it.

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