In October 2003, a guy was brought into the psychiatric emergency room at Bellevue Hospital in New York City. Doctor Joe Gold was the chief attending psychiatrist that day and saw him.

He felt that his life was essentially a reality show, that he's been recorded for years, that everyone in his life was an actor reading from a script. And he came to New York, essentially to test this hypothesis.

He thought that maybe 911 was faked just to get a reaction out of him on reality tv.

And if he came to New York, and if the World Trade Centers were still standing, he would know that that was in fact the case. If in fact, they had been destroyed, then he would admit that perhaps he was delusional.

Once he got to New York, instead of visiting the Twin Towers, he walked into the United nations and asked for asylum. Asylum from a tv show that was filming him without his consent, 24 hours a day, which, you know, is how he ended up in Bellevue. Doctor Gold didn't think much of this. People show up at Bellevue with lots of weird delusions all the time. And then a few months later, another guy walks in with the same idea that he was being filmed twenty four seven and broadcast around the world. And the second guy, like the first one, mentioned a film, the 1998 movie, the Truman show.

Both of them named the Truman show. You know, by name. They said, my life is like the Truman show.

Truman is played by Jim Carrey. He's filmed all day, every day, on a program that is broadcast to billions of people around the globe. His wife, his best friend. Everybody around him is an actor. Everybody knows it's a tv show but him. Until one day, he starts to see clues that make him suspicious. And just to be clear, you're not saying that the Truman show necessarily triggered this? Like people watch the Truman show and suddenly something in their brain snaps?

Yeah, exactly. On the contrary. I think it's just when people are becoming psychotic, perhaps if you've seen the movie and that's kicking around your head, you might say yes, is what's happening to me.

If your psychosis includes both paranoia and a sense that you are very, very important, what psychiatrists called grandiosity 30 years ago, you know, you might think that the CIA or the KGB is watching you all the time these days. You have another possible explanation. Reality tv. A few months later, a third patient showed up with the same delusion. And a few months after that, a fourth, Doctor gold, started calling it the Truman show delusion. Hes just written a book about it with his brother Ian, called suspicious minds. In one case, in the book, a patient, super smart guy, an academic, very altruistic, believed that he was part of an elaborate game show, and the world was watching him and betting on everything that he did.

And this was a really fun thing that everyone would be doing online, and the monies collected would go to charities all over the world, and that every single human being on earth would be given some amount of money and the world would be bettered for it.

One of the things that he included in his delusion, you write in your book, is that he has the thought that he actually was the mastermind who created this game show that he was on, and that he controlled it. And he knew the rules when he had originally created the show, but somehow he had forgotten that and all the rules, which is so interesting, because, of course, it's true. Like, he did invent the game show. And the only fact that he's missing is that it's not real. It's all in his own head.

That's, yeah, an interesting way of putting it. It is kind of fantastical and heartbreaking.

It is like part of him knows he made it up, but he can't.

Grasp the whole reality.

I cannot remember. At one point, he suggests that he told his best friends, this is what I'm going to do. You're going to run the show, but you will now hypnotize me, and I will forget what we're talking about now, so we can do this really good deed for humanity.

Some of these patients respond to treatment, some don't. Same as with other delusions and psychoses. But Doctor Gold says that if they do come back to reality, some feel.

Great relief if they've been persecuted. It's quite embarrassing if you think about it, every moment of your life. I mean, when you're in the shower, literally everything is filmed, so they feel quite good about it. At the same time, there's a certain sadness that they're not particularly important.

Do they miss being the most famous person on the world?

No question there are some who feel that that's a huge loss. At the same time, I think they return to the notion that they're mentally ill, which in and of itself is an unfortunate and sad thing.

Psychosis aside, I think all this illustrates so clearly there's a downside and an upside to being on stage for the whole world to see a human spectacle against your will. And today in our program, we have people who became just that. They have an experience, you know, so few of us have that we all get to see from afar. They are on display for everybody, and not because they chose it. What that feels like, the positive parts and the negative side and the real life reality, the whole thing. From WBEZ Chicago, it's this American life, America glass. Stay with us. Taekwon. I am the eggplant cuckoo ketube in the tv genre that's devoted to pure human spectacle, reality tv. You know, people fight drunkenly in hot tubs. They eat live spiders for money. But none of that can hold a candle to this show, a show that aired in Japan all the way back in 1998. It was called Susanoo denpas Shonen, and one of its segments in particular got the attention of one of our producers, Stephanie Fu. She put this story together a few years back. Todays show was a rebrand.

The segment is called Sweepstakes life. It starts the way a lot of these shows do, with a bunch of people at an audition. One guy beats out everyone else. Hes 22 years old, a comedian just starting out in his career. His name is Nasubi.

Nasubi.

Nasubi means eggplant in Japanese, a nickname he got because he has a long face. The producers tell him they have a unique idea for a show, something theyve never tried before. It may or may not air, but if it does, hell be the star. Hell be famous. The producers blindfold him, put him in a car and take him to a small apartment. Then they tell him to take his clothes off. That wipes the grin off his face.

It wasn't just my personal sort of shame or issues about nudity, per se. My dad is a cop. And when I first announced that for my career choice was going to be comedy, he was not thrilled. And we had to go through some things to get him around to the idea. He said, you know, the one thing that I must never do in public is strip.

Oh, no.

So there I was, and then this guilt towards I was breaking the promise to my father as publicly as possible.

But he strips. He grabs a pillow, holds it over his groin and looks around the room. There's no chair in the room, no bed, just a coffee table and magazines, tons of magazines. The producers tell him that from now on, if he wants food, clothes, he will have to win them by entering sweepstakes. In those magazines, they give him postcards to send in for prize drawings. He'll be freed from the apartment after he wins ¥1 million or $10,000 worth of prizes. Until then, he isn't allowed any outside contact with the world. He cant call his family, he cant talk to friends, and, oh, they tell him, dont forget to put tapes in this little camera here every 2 hours and record yourself well. Come pick up the tapes once a day. Then they say, alright, later. Nasabi screams, are you for real? Nasabi says hed signed no contract, but he didn't have anything better to do, so he sat down and wrote, and soon was entering two to 300 contests a day. And while he waited for prizes to arrive, he had no food. Nasabi got frighteningly thin very quickly. You could see the sharp angles of his collarbones.

Well, starvation is a good word for it. The staff got together and would give me basically a very, a simple little bread each day. So I had bread and water, essentially, for the first two weeks. But then as soon as the results started to come in, then that stopped, and everything shifted over entirely to the things that I could win through sweepstakes.

After two weeks, he finally won some sugary drinks. A few days after that, he won a bag of rice. When the postman dropped it off, it was like Christmas. Nasubi danced like a madman. Were you trying to be a good performer and be funny when you were doing that, or was it just really genuine joy?

Well, initially, of course, I was there as a performer, and I wanted to be a comedian, but somewhere in the middle, you know, the whole business of staying alive became my full time occupation. So I think what you saw, if you saw the Inni dancing, it was really just a human being expressing great joy.

So he danced for this package of rice, but then he stopped short. He realized he didn't own a pot to cook the rice in. But after a couple days of failed attempts, he figured out that if he put some rice in an empty drink container and left it near his single gas burner, it eventually turned into a kind of porridge.

And I could eat delicious rice every day. I remember how good that felt. And then there was the slow trepidation as it started to vanish, and then it ran out. And the only food substitute that I had been able to win in sweepstakes was dog food. You know, after, let's say, six weeks of eating dog food, when then I was able to get more rice, and it arrived, I really felt a kind of special kind of joy at being able to sort of return to humanity, in a sense, and taste delicious rice again every day.

Back then, there was a kind of sweepstakes mania in Japan. The country was in the middle of a terrible recession, and some wondered whether one could subsist entirely on their winnings. And so when Sweepstakes life debuted, almost immediately after Nasabi was first shut in the room, it was an instant hit. Nasabi had no idea. He didnt even know he was on tv. He believed what the producers had told him, that hed record some videotapes and maybe someday it would end up on the air. On television. Nasubis groin was hidden by a purple cartoon eggplant that floated around as he moved. Everything he did was accentuated with ridiculous boing boing sound effects, and puffy rainbow letters floated above his head. But these effects popped up just as often when Nasabi was despondent. The show took every chance to poke fun at him, whether he was muttering to himself, dancing around, or doing terrible headstands. You know, the dumb stuff you do when you think no ones watching except people, were for context. In the US, Game of Thrones usually has around 9 million viewers. Nasubi had 16 million in a country less than half the size of ours.

People thought Nasubi was the funniest comedy act they'd ever seen. And I have to admit, as a viewer, once in a while, when Nasubi got something really awesome in the mail, I couldn't help it. I laughed, too. Even though I knew how much he was suffering, I couldn't help it. His unfiltered joy is contagious, though. As a foreigner watching sweepstakes life, most of the time, when the studio audience cracked up, I felt sick. I thought, what could possibly be funny about this?

I mean, that was maybe a time when, you know, Japan was going through some things, and they needed to sort of do that. Roughly 50 years of prosperity has finally come to a close, and people really uncertain about their futures. You know, I think people just tended to watch the show and say, you know, I got it bad, but look at poor Naspi. You know, he's got it worse now. There's a lot more awareness of the weak and of people who need extra support. And I don't think that. I don't think the average Japanese, they would think it was funny that there was a guy, you know, naked in a room somewhere.

Nasubi won hundreds of prizes, but many of them were useless to him. Spice Girls tickets, for example, or a tv with no cable or a bicycle. He sent away for clothes but never won anything he could wear. He was naked the entire time he was in that room for the entire show. And as the weeks went by, then months, Nasabi started to look less and less sane. He grew a beard, his hair was wild, and he started talking differently. Slower. He'd make really creepy faces. Into the camera. At one point, he won some toys, and he started talking to them. He took a stuffed seal for a walk around the apartment. An action figure became his sensei, and he got life advice from it. If right now you are sitting there thinking, how in God's good name is this possible? Why was this allowed? Imprisonment, solitary confinement, starvation? Watching, I thought, this isn't a reality tv show. It's a psychological experiment made public. Plus, boing boings, of course. Was there anything preventing you from backing out at that point? Like, was the door locked?

No, there was no lock on the door. And producers later asked me, so why didn't you escape? I was naked, so I would have had to go outside naked and seek help. But I don't think that that's what kept me in there. The only thing I really have to say is that I said I'd do it, and I do what I say.

That was it. The only reason I kept asking him, but wait, really? Why?

The japanese spirit, which is just that you sort of stick through. You endure things, you know, when you're given something, whether it's easy or whether it's hard, you just really do, you know, you're obliged to follow it through.

Nasubi did finally win $10,000 worth of prizes. It took him almost an entire year, but at last, he'd completed the challenge. When he reached his goal, producers didn't tell him anything about it. Instead, they snuck into his apartment in the middle of the night, put a blindfold on him, took him out to a car, gave him clothes. Nasabi seemed to think this was a good thing. He was laughing, giggling. But when he took the blindfold off, he found out he'd been taken to Korea.

When I got off on the other side in Korea, I took off the mask, and they said, congratulations. You've achieved your $10,000. This is your reward. You get to have a trip in Korea. So I got to do a little sightseeing that day. And I thought, wow, that was a long thing. Boy, what I've been through. But then when they. At the end of the day, they took me back to my room, and there was the exact same room set up in the exact same way.

They'd recreated his little apartment, complete with the magazines, the stuffed seal, the postcards, exactly how he'd left it, except in Korea. And they told him, great. Now all you have to do is start over and win your airfare back home.

This was just like somebody just had pulled the floor out from under me, and I just fell. I didn't know that humans could be that cruel.

Did you feel like you were going insane?

If anything, the opposite of insane. I lost all energy. It's like somebody had just sucked the life out of me. I didn't want to talk, I didn't want to breathe, I didn't want to move a muscle. I was. I had reached the end. I was just. I was finished. I told the producer that I wouldn't do it. I refused. And we went back and forth for quite a while, actually. But in the end, kudos to his skill as a negotiator. I did give in and do the last, the last section of it.

Why did you do it? What did he say that actually convinced.

You to do it?

Well, it was just. I got exhausted, if anything. I mean, he wasn't leaving. I couldn't just sort of get up and storm out. I had made no preparations for being in Korea and it just. So at the end, I just said, yeah, whatever, and so I continued.

After all, he was naked with no money in another country. If you watch the clip, the producers just tell him hes trapped, show him looking shocked, and cut away. The studio audience laughs. Nasubi continued his writing routine for four more months and then the final episode aired. Picture it. The producers sneak into Nasubis room and blindfold him again, dress him, drive him to another location. They release him in yet another bear room and he sighs and instinctively takes off all his clothes. Then suddenly, all four of the walls around him fall down. That's him screaming. Turns out he is on stage in a huge studio in Japan in front of an enormous audience. Nasubi, congratulations on your goal. Nasubi looks horrified. Two television hosts cautiously approach him and talk to him like a baby, telling him, congratulations. Nasabi says, frightened. My house fell down and there's all these people here. It's finally over, presses the host. You're finished. Nasabi should be happy, but he looks thoroughly weirded out. Remember, Nasabi didn't even know he was being broadcast. The producers told him that it was an experiment, that they didn't know if he'd ever make it on air.

So hes blown away when they tell him about the tv show that a secret camera in his apartment once even broadcast a 24 hours livestream of his actions. They tell him his diaries were published and are bestsellers. Clips from him enjoying a specific brand of ramen turned into commercials and endorsement deals. He was on the COVID of magazines. Then they play a bunch of clips from the show. Nasubi blinks he says, did I do that? That was me.

And so I sat there realizing that this new sort of life was, you know, I was no longer just a nobody. I was, the entire nation had been watching me for 15 months. And, you know, to be honest, I thought, you know, what the hell? Where is my country coming to? I mean, I was very happy that, you know, my journey was not for nothing, but it's still weird.

Unsurprisingly, Nasabi left the show with some scars. He had a lot of trouble holding a conversation for six months, and he felt sweaty and uncomfortable in clothes for a year. And his role didn't help his comedy career like he'd hoped. He was mostly offered roles that required him to be goofy and naked. He's a D list celebrity now and has the dwindling bank account to match. In talking to him, it felt like he's really worked hard to turn that traumatic experience into a positive story he tells himself. He even says he's thankful for the experience.

It was, I don't want to overstate it, but it was kind of meditative in a way. You know, I had a lot of time to think about my life and a lot of time to think about.

A lot of stuff.

That certainly is a very Zen way to look at it.

Well, I mean, it's ten some years since I finished, since I did that project. And after that, everything has been much easier and much better. I mean, obviously I'm able to deal with things. I see things happening or I see situations around myself, and I think that's nothing like what I went through in that room.

And people still remember him. Thats more than one could say from most of the other Denpa Shonen characters. None of them lasted as long as nasubi or became as famous. The show ended in 2002 after its ratings began to drop.

I came out of the whole thing, in a sense, with the very best of possible results. A lot of people were not so fortunate. They were terrible things that happened related to the show.

One contestant on Denpa Shonen almost died of dehydration while trying to hitchhike across Africa. Some people were starved until they completed various challenges. Another man was forced to go into a gay club in Australia and offer condoms to men until he was assaulted. The video cuts out, but you can hear him screaming. And the mastermind behind all this, the producer of the show, the guy who convinced Nasubi to keep going in Korea, his name was Toshio Tsuchiya. Back in the nineties, he was considered the king of japanese reality tv. Last year, 14 years after sweepstakes life ended, Tsuchiya called Nasubi, who wasn't thrilled to hear from him at first.

I had some, you know, let's say, mixed feelings about him, a little resentment, maybe? Yeah. I kept my distance for a very long time. And then actually just last year, he got in touch with me, and apparently it sort of came to his attention that maybe he had, you know, put people through maybe more than they deserved. And so he invited me to dinner, and he spent the evening sort of explaining why he did what he did and apologizing. I think we, yeah, I think we pretty much came to terms, and I welcomed the opportunity to work with him again, certainly, you know, wow, you would.

Work with him again. That's really, that's shocking. And what was his reason for putting you through what he did?

He wanted something that would move people, and you don't get that out of just sort of somebody, you know, playing around. He wanted to see something real. He wanted to see, he wanted to pull miracles out of people, and he wanted to, it was done for the purpose of getting a miracle on film.

And that seemed to me like, well, I'll be honest, it sounds like something an evil puppet master would say. So I had to. I talked to Toshio Tsuchiya on the phone. Hes a round, middle aged guy, bleached platinum blonde hair. He confirmed that he reached out to Nasabi and that when they met, Nasabi told him very honestly how painful his experience on the show was. Tsuchiya says he listened and was moved, but he says he wasnt sorry about Nasabi, about any of the segments he produced for Den Peshonin, about any of the contestants? Not in the slightest. I use the same interpreter for our interview that I use for Nasabis. Here's Tsuchiya.

I was enthralled by their struggle. I was thrilled by their personal struggle. So I was watching them succeed. I have no regrets about anything I did with that show.

Nasubi said that you apologized to him when you guys talked. Is that correct or no?

Well, I put him through a lot. If you say that you have a sports team and you have a coach who runs his players through very difficult maneuvers, at the end of the day, he may pat him on the back and say, you know, sorry for putting you through such a rough struggle. It wasn't me expressing that I shouldn't have done the project.

Tsuchiya has a lot of lofty ideas of what the show was trying to accomplish. And when he talks about them. You do get the sense that it was, in fact, intended to be a sort of psychological experiment.

The whole project was trying to reach at some very elemental, simple humanity. You see, Naspi had been sort of brought to a state where he was such an elemental part of his existence that he danced without realizing he had ever danced. And he danced on a regular basis. The modern individual is sort of shackled by convention and expectation and all these other things that we wear from day to day. And I wanted to see them drop some of that, to see this simple humanity and then to see actual gratefulness.

It's weird to think about, but the fact of the matter is, what suu kyi is saying is true. Denpa Shounen did really capture humanity in a rare way. Hungry, starving, alone, unaware that he was being watched. Nasabi was totally innocent and totally animal. Of course, it's cruel to bring a human being to that point, and it takes a special kind of cruelty to take someone at their most vulnerable and add wacky sound effects to their suffering. A couple weeks into Nasabi's challenge, before he won any solid food, when he was hungriest, a delivery man came to the door bearing ramen and stir fried vegetables at 1700 yen. Altogether, the man said, I dont have any money. Nasubi replied. Sorry, my mistake, the delivery man said, and left. Nasubi sat there, his head hung, a contestant in a real life hunger game, the smell of ramen lingering in the air.

Stephanie Fu was one of the producers on our show when we first broadcast this story years ago. We're rewriting the story today because Nasabi's story has been turned into a full length documentary called the contestant. And seeing him do all this naked is even more intense than hearing about it. You can find the film next week on Hulu or search hulu.com thecontestant. Coming up, we go to Orlando or highway cloverleafs or sunk in a vast meadow where one man tries to document how things really are. That's in a minute from Chicago Public Radio when our program continues.

This is american life.

Myra Glass, each week in our program, of course, we choose a theme, bring you different kinds of stories on that theme. Today's show, human spectacle. We have stories of people who go on display in front of others, lots and lots of others, even though they are not so crazy about doing that. We've arrived at act two of our program, act two. I always feel like somebody's watching me. We've talked a lot in today's program so far about reality tv and of course, what makes reality tv entertaining is very, very simple, and that is editing. Editing. If they just set up cameras and showed you all 24 hours in anybody's day, you know, how interesting could that possibly be? Well, here is a story of somebody trying just that, a story of everyday people being treated as human spectacle and being treated that way precisely because of their everydayness. Ariel Sabar explains.

Here's how it worked. On a Tuesday morning in the spring of 1949, a seven year old boy named Raymond Birch was fast asleep in his bed. His mother walked into his bedroom and said, raymond, time to get up for school. When the boy opened his eyes, he saw a scientist with a clipboard and timer standing in the corner of his room. The scientist, a stranger to the boy, just stared, didn't say a word. The boy squirmed out of bed and reached for his clothes. The scientist wrote. 07:01 a.m. Raymond picked up a sock. In the late 1940s and early fifties, scientists followed kids in houses, schoolyards, and streets across the town of Oskaloosa, Kansas, taking pages of notes on the littlest things they did or said. 06:33 p.m. Bradley walked deliberately to where his sister sat playing with the puppy and hit her on the head twice, just as hard as he could hit. His sister looked very surprised and annoyed. 11:06 a.m. Fred skidded on the floor so that he fell with his body partially under the swing. He yelled, whoops. And then lay still, since he saw the swing coming back over him.

11:37 a.m. Margaret's mother asked, why can't you play with your dolls? And let that go. Margaret kept on painting the pillar as before, neither looking at her mother nor answering her. All of this was happening under the watch of a University of Kansas psychologist named Roger Barker, who was bent on taking his field in a radically new direction. Because psychology was still struggling in those days to be taken seriously as a science, most of Barker's colleagues imitated other kinds of scientists, doing lots of experiments in labs. But none of this made sense to Barker. Humans didn't live in laboratories. They lived in the real world. And that's where Barker wanted to study them in the wild, the way a botanist looked at flowers in a field or a primatologist tracked apes through a forest. So when the University of Kansas called in 1947 and asked Barker if he wanted to chair its psychology department, Barker said, I'll take the job, but on one condition. You find me a small town. A dean at the school said he knew just the place Oskaloosa, population 725. When Roger Barker first drove up into the hills of northeastern Kansas to see Oskaloosa, he must have been beside himself.

The place was a Norman Rockwell painting, not too rich, not too poor, sturdy families in modest houses. It was the picture of middle America. Barker wanted to study what he called the naturally occurring behavior of free ranging persons, and to do that, he told his field workers to become part of the scenery, visible and friendly, but not obtrusive. The last thing we want to do, he said, is give people the guinea pig feeling. Barker took his own advice and moved his entire family to Oskaloosa. They settled in a beat up house near the town square, joined the Presbyterian church, and became active in the town's social and civic organizations. And that left Barker just as exposed as the Oskaloosins he planned to put under his microscope. You'll be watching us, a local mother told the researchers one day. But don't forget, we'll be watching you. One of the first things Barker wanted to do in Oskaloosa was to document a day in the life of an ordinary boy. Barker didn't have a hypothesis about the boy or about seven year olds. He wasn't testing for anything in particular. He wanted only to show the world that following a kid for a day could produce a ton of interesting data.

Scientists could later break down that data in an infinite number of ways, depending on their interests and the goals of their research, which was how little Raymond Birch woke up that morning to find a scientist standing over him. On that Tuesday, April 26, 1949, eight researchers taking turns like runners in a relay race followed Raymond for 13 hours straight. The book that came out of it, one boy's day, was 435 pages long. It had an entry for nearly every minute of Raymond's day. The researchers tried to record not just Raymond's words and movements, but also his perceptions, motives, and feelings. They noted that Raymond mumbled with a mouthful of toast at breakfast. They followed him as he walked with his mom to her job at the county clerk's office and looked on as he drew a picture of a cowboy with a long beard. They watched Raymond find a baseball bat in the grass and pick it up. Oh, boy, he said. According to their notes, he tossed a stone in the air and swung, but accidentally clipped a flagpole. 08:24 a.m. This made a wonderful, hollow, ringing noise, so he proceeded to hit the flagpole again.

08:25 a.m. He went around and around and around the pole, hitting it with the bat as he did so until he became so dizzy that he fell down, bat and all. Even before the book about Raymond's day was published, Barker felt it was destined for greatness. It would find its way onto campuses as a staple of psychology courses, he thought, and into the hands of artists, novelists, and laymen interested in the cultural scene. We believe it will become a sort of classic and be in demand for a long time, he wrote in a January 1951 letter. But one boys day never took off, and by April 1959, Barker, crestfallen, asked Harper and rowe to ship him the 70 remainders languishing in his warehouse. Part of the trouble was simply the book's premise in its defiant first sentence. Barker calls the book a scientific document, but other scientists had a hard time seeing that the book was just a TikTok chronology of Raymond's day. There wasn't any theory or analysis, and this annoyed many of the reviewers in serious academic journals, one reviewer wrote, the reader is struck by the fact that he is encountering only raw data.

How can one evaluate such materials without a theoretical framework? In other words, what does it mean? Barker lived in Oskaloosa the rest of his life, but he abandoned his day in the life studies after just a few years. There were more revealing and less labor intensive ways, he discovered, to study human beings in their natural habitats. Today, field studies of naturally occurring behavior are no more common in psychology than they were in Barker's time. The costs and logistics are just too staggering. One rare but recent Barker like effort was conducted by UCLA's center on the everyday life of families. Researchers there embedded in the homes of 32 middle class families in Los Angeles for a week and videotaped nearly every waking minute. But the ratio of cost and effort to interesting results remains as lopsided today as it was in Barker's time. The New York Times reported that, quote, after more than $9 million in untold thousands of hours of video watching, the researchers found that, well, life in these trenches is exactly what it looks like, a fire shower of stress, multitasking, and mutual nitpicking. One guy in particular who's not a big fan of these studies, Raymond Birch.

The boy. I tracked him down a few years ago. His real name is Gary Morgan, and he's now a retired utility worker in his early seventies, living in Pennsylvania. Roger Barker autographed Gary's copy of one boy's day and personally inscribed it, calling Gary its real author. But Gary has yet to get past its first pages. I have to say, why is this interesting? He told me. Theres nothing happening in this book, as far as I can tell. What is it going to tell them? That I was standing there chewing on my fingernails?

Ariel Sabah is the author of several books, including the Outsider, a biography of Roger Barker. You can find his work@arielsabar.com.

Dot I'm the center of attention and the walls inside of my head.

Fact three, the big break. So in this story, a comedy act takes to the stage for the biggest show of their lives. And it is a spectacle, though not the one they had in mind. David Siegel tells the story.

Mitzi McCall and Charlie Brill were a sketch comedy act back in the early 1960s, playing small clubs around the country, mostly in Los Angeles where they lived. They were married. They still are, actually. And they were struggling. Then one day they got a phone call that changed their lives.

We were sitting at home and I don't know what.

Starving.

Starving? No, no, we weren't starving. No.

Yes, I was starving.

Well, you were hungry that day.

Oh, was that it?

Yeah. And the phone rang and it was our manager, Mace Neufeld, and he said, guess what? What? I got you on the Ed Sullivan show. And we let out a scream because that was the show.

The ultimate bigger.

If you got a shot on Ed Sullivan, you had a shot at Star stardom.

Yes.

We were just so thrilled. And immediately we started to work on the piece of material that we selected for the Ed Sullivan show. And we rehearsed and rehearsed and we fine tuned it. We ran down to the horn in Santa Monica. We broke it in. It got a lovely, lovely reaction. And we had, we told everybody. In fact, I think I skyroted over Hollywood. We're on the Ed Sullivan show.

Yoo hoo.

Yeah.

And we were on our away.

This wasn't just a shot at greatness. This was a chance to meet a few of their idols who'd be on the show that night, too. People like Tessie O'Shea, Georgia Brown, who were both big musical theater stars. But to Charlie and Mitzi, the biggest deal of all was a guy they'd already met.

We were just, we were in awe of Frank Gorshin, a great, great, great impressionist and the riddler on Batman.

We had probably done maybe something with Frank Gorshin.

I think it was something for Frank Gorshin. I shined his shoes and I was so in awe. So we get to New York and we go to rehearsal by taxi, and there's thousands of people in the streets clamoring.

And the streets are cordoned off. Cordon.

Cordoned. And I looked at Mitzi, and I said, God, all this for Frank Gorshin.

They were given the worst dressing room in the building on the top floor, a space they shared with a soda machine. But they didn't care. They were both 26 years old, and they were about to go national. But first, it was time for a dress rehearsal.

Here's the deal. We didn't know that the dress rehearsal was something that was looked at very.

Carefully by all the executives.

Exactly.

And they have an audience we didn't know. We were, like, coming down in our bathrobes with hair curlers, and we go.

Through our act, and when we get to a punchline, instead of doing the.

Punchline, we go, blah, blah, blah. Because we don't want to reveal the punchline. We want the band to laugh, and we don't want, you know, it was a secret, our punchline. So we used to go, and here we are, and Mitzi, by the way, blah, blah, blah. So then we schlep upstairs to our dressing room, and we. And we hear in the loudspeaker, McCall and Brill, Mister Sullivan's office, please. McCall and brill. So we go down, and we go into Mister Sullivan's office, and there he was, Sullivan. He was sitting in a chair getting made up. And I looked at the man who could make our entire careers. So he said, what you did in dress rehearsal, first of all, I don't get the blah, blah, blahs, is that I'm not getting that. And we said, no, Mister Sullivan, those are our punchlines, and we want them to be fresh. And he said, oh, well, I wish you would let us in on them for the dress rehearsal. And he said, and the piece of material you're doing is too sophisticated for this audience. And I went, what? Cause I had seen the Sullivan show all my life.

And he said, well, there's gonna be mostly 14 1516 year old girls in the audience tonight. And kids. And it never occurred to me to say, why? What is it? What are we doing, like a circus show? And he said, so show me your entire act. And because we were so new and eager to please, we stood there in the office and showed Mister Sullivan our entire nightclub act. Anything we had ever worked on, which.

Was like 25, 30 minutes of sketches, blah, blah, blah.

Yeah, sketches.

And he said, okay, here's the deal. We're gonna put that first girl that comes in, in the first sketch. Mm hmm.

We'll put her in the second sketch, but then you do the other girl that you did in the third sketch.

And then that's what you end with.

And that's what you end with. Now we went, okay.

They went back upstairs in something close to a panic. Basically, they had just been told to write a new act right then and there instead of the routine they'd been fine tuning for weeks. They might have freaked out, but they didn't have time. The curtain was going up in an hour.

We were in a daze. We didn't really know what he said. Should we put the first.

If we take the first girl and.

Put it in the third and should. And then there was a knock on the door. The door was open, but there was a knock. And there's this guy standing there with funny hair and granny glasses. And he said, give us a cool cloth. Give us a cool clove. And I looked at Mitzi and I said, this guy wants a glove or something. I'm not sure what he wants. And he started to laugh and he said, no, give us a coke, Lou.

And he pointed to the machine, the cork machine.

And I said, oh, yeah, well, come in. It's all yours. And he said, can you give me a dime? Ten cent? And I said, oh, I gotta buy you the cloak as well. Okay. And what do you think?

We're made out of money, kid.

Yeah.

The worst part was that this guy seemed to want to just hang out. So he helped himself to a seat on the sofa.

While he's talking to us, he takes out of his pocket a napkin and a pen. And he's drawing me. He's looking at me and he's drawing me. That's nice. And he did some, some pictures of me and Mitzi on this, on napkins.

All we thought about was, I wish this kid would go so we could work on our own.

We haven't put the first character in the third sketch and the second in the. And, uh, he left. And we looked at each other and said, okay, now what are we doing?

All right.

McCall and brilliant McCallanville on stage for the show.

Good evening, ladies and gentlemen.

Tonight, live from New York, the show.

Is about to begin. All the performers gathered in the wings waiting for their turn. Finally, Ed Sullivan came out and announced the first act.

Ladies and gentlemen, the Beatles.

We were on the Ed Sullivan show with the Beatles.

Those arrives and I'll kiss you tomorrow. I'll miss you.

We didn't realize that's what the crowds were for, because to be very honest, we didn't really know who the Beatles were.

Actually, our manager, when he called us and said, you're gonna be on the Ed Sullivan show. And he said, and guess what? You're gonna be with the Beatles. And we said, who?

I'll pretend that I'm kissing.

The guy.

With the pen, the one who drew the pictures. That, of course, was John Lennon. And this was February 9, 1964, the first time a us audience had laid eyes on the Beatles. Years later, Lennon said he thought the kids that night had lost their minds. Charlie, watching from 20ft away, thought so, too.

Honest to God. My hand to God. I tell you, we couldn't hear them. The screams all through what they did were so loud. I never got a chance to hear what they sound like. Who's singing?

This was something different.

Yeah. I mean, I heard. Heard about Sinatra at the paramount. You know, people were screaming, but this. I never heard or saw such bedlam in my life. Now, when they're finished, the screams keep going on.

It must have dawned in you at. At that moment, or was it before that? This was a cultural phenomenon just off the charts.

I really need to be rigorously honest right now. No, it didn't. No.

Well, think about it. Think it over.

All right, I'll think it over. No.

Okay.

It never occurred.

We were too nervous of what we were gonna do.

Please.

I mean, I knew they were a.

Hit, but you know what? We hadn't gone on yet. I wanted to know that we were gonna be fabulous.

Our careers were at stake here.

73 million Americans watched the Ed Sullivan show that night, about 40% of the entire country. Ordinarily, when that many people come together, it's for the last episode of a long running tv series or for playoff games. Teams they already know, not for show. That turns the stage over to an act that nobody's heard of. Arguably, Mitzi and Charlie had the single greatest break in the history of show business. People forget this was an hour long program with the Beatles playing a few songs at the beginning and then a few songs toward the end. In between, there were six different acts. From vaudeville, from Broadway, from the circus, from everything rock was about to bulldoze aside, it was basically the future sharing a bill with the doomed. Which is why after the Beatles finished singing she loves you, the next thing on the Ed Sullivan show that night was a guy in a tux doing a card trick.

We do the trick with 1234 red spot cards. Now, from these four red spot cards, I've taken my right hand. My right hand is, of course, always the hand with the thumb on the left side.

Now, in this hand, there's an acrobatic novelty act. There's Tessie O'Shea, a very large woman in a sequined gown playing a banjo, doing her signature tune, two ton Tessie from Tennessee.

They play tennis on a double chin. They call it two ton Tessie.

Frank Gorshin comes on with ten minutes of impersonations. Dean Martin, Burt Lancaster, Anthony Quinn. The far fetched conceit of his act doesn't seem quite so far fetched 40 years later.

Well, it's election year and once again a lot of the Hollywood stars will be out campaigning for the candidates of both parties. Well, a funny thing occurred to me. What if these stars should suddenly decide to run for these officers themselves? They'd have no trouble getting votes because of their popularity. In just a short time, the stars will be running the country.

He imagines a meeting of the US Senate where character actor Broderick Crawford is vice president and people like Marlon Brando are senators.

Today we're going to discuss whether or not there's somebody changed, made the president two party system and everybody feels dynamic. Raise red, say aye. Opposed? No. Right. The lawsuit turn four. Mister chairman. For years now, year after year after year, there have been just two major parties. One at Frank Sinatra House and the other one at Dean Martins.

Just two years after this, Ronald Reagan was elected governor of California.

I do anything for you, dear. Anything.

This is the artful dodger from the musical Oliver, played here by an 18 year old daughter, Davy Jones. When he heard the screams that evening, he thought, and this is a quote, I'd like a little bit of this action. Two years later, he was cast as a member of the Monkees, the made for tv knockoff of the Beatles. Mitzi and Charlie were slated for what was probably the worst slot on the show. They were the last act before the Beatles returned for the final songs.

We were in a daze, but we heard him introduce us. We walked out. Now the screams came on because they wanted the Beatles.

That's when I said I thought I heard. Get them off.

Yes. Did you hear that? I think I said it.

Oh.

Now we take you to Hollywood at a very tense moment in the career of a young, aspiring actress. The office of McCall and Brill. Miss Tidy, would you come into my office right away, please?

Yes, sir. Neat. Meet everything nice and neat. That's neat. Hello, sir.

Miss Heidi, I am having a terrible time trying to find a young actress to star in my next motion picture.

Yes, sir.

Now, are the young ladies outside ready to be interviewed?

Yes, sir. They're neatly waiting outside, sir. Also, send them in just one at a time.

Miss Tidy, the premise here is that Charlie's a director casting a movie and Mitzi is his secretary. And then a bunch of different women auditioning for the role. She plays an aspiring starlet.

Hi, sir. You might not remember me, but I was Miss Palm Springs back in 1956.

A stage mom.

Sir, if you're not interested in her, maybe you could be interested in me. Well, I'm really not. You know, I have a little talent. No, I just everything.

And a method actor.

Then, and only then, can the true justification of the motivation of our inside urgency henceforth find the infinitesimal need of our outward action. Dig.

Did you notice the dead silence after she says dig in a room that only 30 minutes earlier had been filled with a noise that scared the cops? That's a lot of silence. You were up there for what? How long do you think? Two minutes or something like that.

It was two years.

Two years.

We were there for two years. We started at 24. We didn't know what we were doing. We didn't know if we finished the act or didn't finish the act. But the band leader had the punchline and he played, ta da. And now you want to see a couple of jews standing there so nervous, looking to see if.

If Mister Sullivan is call us over.

Because that's what makes you. Did he call us over? No.

Yeah, but I think I saw. No, no, get off.

We were looking at each other saying, did he motion to us? It wasn't a motion.

No, get off.

No, it wasn't. Get off.

Did you have a sense at the time that it had gone well or gone poorly?

No.

No, we knew.

No, we immediately into the toilet.

Yeah, but see, they didn't have this expression then, but we sucked.

It was in fact the worst three minutes of their lives. They bombed so bad that when they came off stage people wouldn't look at them. Mitzi's mom dodged their call.

The biggest terror was that we didn't want to go home.

We just didn't want to go home.

We did not want to go back.

To Los Angeles that night. We felt so bad. And Frank Gorshin was nice enough to take us to downies.

Sardi's.

Sardi's. And we had a drink and he said, don't worry, this is not the end of your lives. And we said, oh my God.

It was such a fiasco that in 40 years neither of them have actually seen their performance until now. Watching a tape of it, the first thing Charlie noticed was that they actually did get a couple laughs.

You made me quite ill, Miss Toddy, send in the next young lady, please. No, we're getting laughs.

Hi, sir. I'm the next young lady's mother. My little girl is waiting outside. You know, she used to be one of the Beatles.

What happened?

Somebody stepped on her. That was funny. You ad lib that?

You know something, Mitch? We were a hit.

No, you know what?

Comes we were a hit. Look at us. Cute.

You know what? There's something wrong with you. It was pathetic.

The problem, they both say, is that they had to rearrange their act. For 14 year olds in a hurry. The day of the broadcast. They're still convinced that if they'd been invited on the show any other night, things would have been different. As it happened, they retreated back home. Where their agent didn't call for six long months. From then on, they'd wince every time they heard the Beatles. Imagine that. They had the rest of the sixties ahead of them. They were in for a lot of wincing.

Well, you know, it was 20 years ago today.

Somewhere in the black mining hills off Dakota.

There lived a young boy named Rocky Raccoon.

But Mitzi and Charlie regrouped and recovered. And they had long and fine careers through the sixties and seventies. They played nightclubs and Vegas. And they were on television a lot. Goofy stuff like the Gong show, but great programs, too, like the Tonight show, which they were on four times. Mitzi later wrote for sitcoms like Alf. Charlie eventually landed a leading role on a detective show called Silk Stockings, which ran on the USA Network for nine years. They have a daughter whom they adore. No knock on alf. But it gradually dawned on Mitzi and Charlie that on February 9, 1964, they were part of something seismic.

We were in the midst of greatness. Yeah, we didn't know it. People would come up to us and say, wasn't it you that was on the Beatles show? And we said, yes, yes. Waiting for them to say, boy, did you suck. And they went, oh, my God, you're famous.

Mitzi and Charlie are retired now. Meanwhile, the Beatles have split up. Hell wings have split up. But four decades after they flamed out in front of nearly half the country, Mitzi and Charlie are still together, still standing and still refining the act.

I said to Dixie, mitzi. Mitzi. Mitzi. I said to Mitzi, let's go to Florence.

Dixie.

I think I missed.

Who's Dixie?

No, nobody.

No, I mean, you're. What, do you have a girlfriend?

No, there's no. There's no Dixie.

All right, never mind. Okay, Dixie.

Forget the Dixie.

What am I doing in this relationship.

Anyway, we, I said to Mitzi, we.

Have to go for.

David Siegel. He's a reporter for the New York Times. We first ran this story back in 2000, 2005. Since then, Charlie and Mitzi are still going strong. This year, they're celebrating their 65th wedding anniversary. Today's program was produced by Stephanie Fu and myself, with Alex Bloomberg, Ben Calhoun, Sean Cole, Hannah Joffrey Waltz, Sarah Koenig, Mickey Meek, Jonathan Manhivar, Brian Reed, Robin Semi, and Alyssa Shipp and Nancy Updike. Our senior producer for today's show was Julie Snider. Production help from Lily Sullivan. Seth Lind is our director of operations. Research help for today's show from Michelle Harris and Julie Beer. Music help from Damian Gray from Rob Geddes. Additional help on today's rerun from Michael Kamate, Katharine Raimondo and Safiye Riddle. Stephanie Fu, who produced this episode and did so many great stories for our show, came out with a book a couple years ago after she left our show called what my bones know. Special thanks today to Kara Francis, Christine Vandertorn, and Sarah Bromer. Our website where you can listen to over 800 episodes of our show for absolutely free. Thisamericanlife.org dot this american life is delivered to public radio stations by PRX, the Public Radio exchange, and as always, to our program's co founder, Mister Tori Melatia.

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