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Shine that light on me. I'll sit and tell you my stories. Shine on me. And I will find a song I've been singing. I'm on the steps. Thank you guys for coming, man.

Yeah, nick Curios.

Yeah, Curios. That was pretty good. Curios. That was pretty good.

You have a new podcast of your own?

Yeah, it's called Good Trouble. Good Trouble, yeah. Just had Gary Vee on, Jay Shetty, had a couple of cool people, Gordon Ramsey.

I thought about what about By Curios would be a name.

By Curious? Yeah. Look, there were definitely a lot of spin off of names. Was there? Yeah, but good trouble. Being Curious?

Yeah, Being Curious.

Yeah, Being Curious.

I'm trying to think of a different one. Hey, Curious. I don't know. That's Italian, but... Yeah, that's all. Dude, thanks for hanging out with me, man. And yeah, thank you guys for welcoming me in your country. It feels my biggest audiences are here. Really?

Yeah. I mean, all my mates, We like what you bring.Oh.

Thanks, man.Definitely. What's it been like for you recently? I know you have had a little bit of a break from playing tennis, right?

Yeah, I've had two surgeries now in the last year. I had my left knee, had a right wrist surgery as well. Just trying to get back healthy, man. I had best year in my career, finals of Wimbledon, love and life, and then a couple of injuries. But it's good, man. I like being back in Australia because if I'm healthy, I'm traveling eight months a year away from family and friends.

Just for tennis, it takes that much of commitment?

Yeah, well, there's tournaments every week. You play every week in different places, different countries. I'm pretty happy, not to be injured, but to spend some time with the family.

Is It's a bit dangerous. I would be scared because comfort gets dangerous. You're comfortable or you have just even just getting to go to the... The things I miss when I'm away from home, it's even just getting to go to the gym with my mates. Little things like that. It's like that would keep me from going and doing some dates sometimes, some shows. It's like, I just want to have this- Content. Yeah. Does that shit start to worry your brain at all?

Yeah, well, that's what I I was missing. For 10 years, I was traveling week in, week out. I missed just waking up in my own bed, spending time with my dogs, all my friends, going to cafe. I guess I'm getting that now, which is good. I'm definitely spending more time in Australia. I'm busy, though. You know how it is. Even when you're back home, you're trying to have meetings or be busy and stuff. But yeah, look, I don't mind just being from Canberra and chilling in Sydney a little bit.

Yeah. In tennis, because I don't know a ton about tennis. I used to live with some people and they played it a lot. They had a little bit of money. They would drink wine and eat a lot of charcuterie and stuff. But they would do tennis during the daytime. And the skirts, I like the skirts on the women. Do you? But outside of that, I never knew a ton about it. Is it like... Because Because you've gotten to be at a level in it that's really impressive, right?

Appreciate it.

When you get to certain levels, you get to see what the next shelf is like or what that... You get a better look at certain things, right? Do you see that there's a thing that makes some people get to an elite level? Is it extra training? Is it commitment? Is it just nature? Is it just that some people just have it? I'm just curious about what can you see once you get to your level that separates the elite? I'm not saying you're not an elite player. No. Do you understand what I'm saying?

I was about to just go where you're going is I'm really good. I'm elite, but Then what separates me from someone, say, Novak, Djokovitch or Rafa, the greatest of all time. For me, I was partying a lot when I was playing. I would play, then go to the pub. I don't regret it. I love the fact that my agents or my team had to drag me out of places at 4:00 AM. I love that shit. But at the same time, that was what separated me, I guess, from them. They were so diligent, so consistent. Now I'm a lot better, but obviously when I was a bit younger, but the consistency that they've shown over decades That is why I like it. They're having way more success than I had.

Is some of it nature, do you think? Do some guys just have a different element, a different gear that God gave them? Or do you think that it's a commitment thing? Because I'm just curious because tennis is such a solo sport. It's like golf. There's no team, really. It's just fucking you out there. Yeah.

My longest match is 4 hours and 52 minutes.Oh, my God, dude.I was having some serious conversation.

That's like watching Oppenheimer but having to play the whole time.

Yeah, you have some serious mental conversations with yourself. But I mean... I bet, dude. Jesus. Then you got to do that again for seven days straight to win a tournament, basically. No way.

Is that true?

That's like a Grand Slam. That's how hard it is mentally, I win. But the consistency, for instance, my nature, I wasn't willing to give up the fun aspect of things whilst I was playing, where if I did that, definitely I probably would have I'm not going to say it's not a success, but I've had so much fun in my career. Those are the memories. I'm sure you, I can't talk about them here, but those are the memories you take to the grave. Oh, yeah. And then that's like, I wouldn't trade that for Grand Slam. There's no way. But that's the trade-off.

Yeah, you're like John Daley. Have you ever heard of him a little bit?

Yeah, a little bit.

You're like that. Or John Knightley, maybe, because I think he partied during the daytime more because he would... Yeah, he would... That guy is still partying. I've seen him. I live in Nashville, Tennessee. I've seen him get a couple of times in ambulances, his Uber, basically, and just come in.

That's pretty crazy.

That's a lot. I've seen him. The ambulance got called, and there was some confusion as to where he was on the premises. He went and got in the shotgun of the ambulance. He went and got in the passenger seat and just waited. He's like, What the fuck is taking you guys so long? Taking it like an officer. Yeah, just taking it like an officer. He's sitting in there. And they're just running around with a little... I'm not sure what it's called. What's some of like... And I'm not going to just grill you about tennis because I don't know a ton about it. Yeah, that's fine. But I do want to get some thoughts that I had. What are some things... Because football, you know what the physical aspect is and the training. What is shit that people don't know that tennis training?

Well, tennis is a tough one because you don't know when you're going to play exactly, when the schedule comes out. For instance, soccer or football or NBA, you have an exact time when you know where the game is going to start and the duration of how long the game goes for. Where tennis is, you don't know what time you're going to play, where it could be at night, could be first match at 10:00 AM, could be at 07:00 PM, and then it could go for an hour and a half to five hours. It's like, how do you train for something with so many different intangibles and variables? That's always been a big challenge for every tennis player. It's like you train for something that you don't even know what's coming. There's no teammates, you're out there on your own. I think that's why tennis players, for me, it's one of the toughest sports in the world because we're going... One One week we're in Asia, one week we're in Europe, in the States for maybe a month. Then Australia, it's like different diet, different food, different time zones. It's like you got to adapt and have that adaptability to be good.

That's tough because most other professional athletes, like set in stone preparation, food, sleep. That's why in tennis is like, you just have to just go with the flow.

Dude, I always really struggle with it, I think.

Yeah, there's no routine, really. You have to try and find... Yeah, it's hard. Oh, my God. That's why I've lost my marbles Definitely.

Yeah. I can't even imagine. Yeah.

And from Australia as well, it's worse. We have two tournaments a year here, so the rest of it's just traveling around, living out of a hotel.

To live at a... Yeah, because it's hard enough for me. I don't know. I guess it'll sound like I'm complaining. It doesn't sound like we're complaining.

No, it's definitely a nice lifestyle, learning about cultures and meeting new people and traveling to the cool... But it's not like... I think a lot of people think when I'm traveling, I'm enjoying going sightseeing. I'm working. I'm playing, I'm training, I'm going to bed. It's hard. It's not easy.

Last night, I get off stage and I know that I have to do this today, right? I know that I have to edit a previous episode and look over it. It's hard. I'm up for till probably at 2:00, I went to sleep. And not complaining. It was cool, but it's not like you get to get out.

It's like walking in a park. Right.

There's some dame that's hitting you up. She wants to hang out, but you're like, I know I have to do what I got to do. Or it's going to be... Multitasking? Yeah, I'm going to save this freaking... I'm going to save my nuts for Curios. That's what I was thinking. Not in a gay way, but I'm just going to save my energy.

I'll look after them though.

Thanks, bro.

No worries.

Dude, also, The food is totally different here. The food is totally different. The eggs are different. Dude, if you get to a country and the eggs are different, that can throw me off for a fucking week.

Wait, do you like the eggs here? The cafés are good here. Are you a breakfast guy or a dinner guy?

I'm a breakfast guy.

There's good cafés here. You like coffee?

I like some of it. Sometimes it fucking... I'll get a little bit weird on it, but I got to monitor how much I drink. So I'm doing green tea right now.

There's a lot of caffeine in that, too, though.

Yeah, I make sure I get the low caffeine one. But yeah, I feel you because some of that shit. Yeah.

Australian coffee is good, though.

Is it? Yeah, very good.

I'll give you a list of good cafés you should go to after tomorrow. You're leaving on Tuesday, right? Yeah. Definitely some good cafés you got to I don't know. You probably can't go out in here in public, can you?

It's not bad. I never realized it really until this time that this is my biggest audience. It's like years ago when I came, my biggest show ever was here, just a number of people coming. Then this time it's been like that. I'm like, wow, this is really- Must feel good. It's crazy. But I just forget that. Then I get here and I'm like, oh, wow, so many people say hello and it's nice.

We are friendly people.

Oh, dude. It's too friendly. People are just... They're so fucking friendly. You almost want them to fucking stab you or something. You're like, you can't handle it.

Not much of that.

You're like, just rob me or something. You know what I'm saying? You just want to feel at home. You want to It's a little like you're back in the States.

I don't know. I can't relate to that. I do have a lot of friends in the States.

It's so nice here, dude. Yeah, it is. Not having just the constant threat of crime or murder.

Yeah, big time.

It's just so relaxing. Yeah, I was thinking about that. I wasn't thinking about anything, really, I guess. But what else is going on, you think?

I got to do another podcast after this.

No.

Yeah.

Do you really? Yeah. Your own?

No, not my own. Just I'm jumping on a mate's one. Oh, wow.

It can be a lot sometimes, huh? Yeah.

I mean, trying to juggle around. I got to somehow find some time to train as well. Got to keep the missus entertained.

Oh, you got a wife?

No, she's not my wife, but she's my partner. Oh, yeah.

She needs attention. She does? Yeah. What do you like to do with their lady? You guys go kayaking or what do you guys do?

No, look, I'm Australian, but I'm not a true blue Aussie in the sense I do crazy Australian stuff. I'll get dinner tonight with her. I'll try. I don't really want to drink any wine because then if I have one, I'll have two, then I'll probably go out. I don't want to do that because I don't want to feel shit tomorrow morning. Yeah. What about you? What are you doing tonight?

What do we do? We got a show, and then the show starts an hour early, so we might be able to... We might do something after.

The only reason, if I will go out tonight, if I'm going out with you, then I'll come.

Why? Well.

I'm going to give that deal to my miss. If the other one wants to go out, I don't care what else is on the schedule. We're clearing it.

Dear Christ, then. Well, tell the miss to put on her heels then.

I'm down. All right, cool. She got no excuse then.

Yeah, dude. If your tour starts back up for tennis, how do you jump back into tennis? Can you just go back in at a certain point, or do you have to wait till a season starts? What's it like?

Basically, it's a ranking system. By me not playing for the last year and a half because of injury, I lost my ranking, but I have a protected ranking of 20. I can come back at pretty much any point in time when I'm healthy, and I just slot back in, basically.

Is it scary to be like, All right, I'm ready to go? That seems fucking- Big time because for me as a player, there's obviously a lot of eyes because I'm very controversial and stuff. Because you're almost black a little, I think.

Maybe in a very white privileged sport like tennis.

People see a guy that's been in the sun for a half hour and they're like, Oh, look at this brother trying to cause trouble.

Yeah, there is a bit of that. But yeah, so I guess when I'm playing, it's like, Oh, he's coming back, and there's a lot of pressure on it. I need to make sure that when I'm ready to go, then-You're ready for all that. Exactly. Because I don't fly underneath the radar, which would be nice sometimes.

Yeah, it's like, what is he going to do now? Exactly. Yeah. Is he going to chew gum during his match or what?

God forbid, I do that.

Are you allowed to do that?

Yeah, you can do that.

I mean, I've done it.

But you're right. I walk differently on the court and people are like-Look at this deviant.

Yeah, exactly. Look at this gang member.

Yeah, literally. I should show you some articles after this. It's crazy. It's crazy.

Dude, is there any good moments where people yell shit at tennis? Because it's such a refined... If you want to get a good... It's frowned upon, right? Because it feels very organized out there.

Wimbledon, you can't say a thing. You can hear the royal family's there. I was cussing in front of the royal family. Which was funny. It was good. Gave him a show. But US Open is so loud. New York's crazy. But people don't really... I mean, now people are screaming at a lot. Really? Yeah. I told... There was a One time in Cali when I was playing and Ben Stiller was in the crowd and one of his friends was telling me how to play. Oh, fuck that guy. I was like, Bro, are you good at tennis? Why are you speaking? Then I said to Ben, I was like, Do I tell him how to act? No, I love Ben Stiller. It's hilarious. But People do scream out some pretty crazy shit, racial stuff sometimes. Really?

Yeah. You're not even... Are you?

No, I'm half a Malaysian, half Greek. Oh, God. I am mixed, yeah.

But you'd have to have a damn calculator to get racist against somebody I feel like you got to... You know what I'm saying? You got to really have a chart or something. People are so diverse now. To really be a good racist, you have to have-Yeah, you do your race edge. Yeah, you got to at least be able to do some math almost. I think that's why a lot of racism is disappearing because there's a barrier to entry now because people are so mixed. What do you think about when you see some of these matches? They just said, didn't they just said Jake Paul was going to fight-Yeah, Tyson. What do you think about that shit, man?

It's fucking crazy, isn't it?

It's fucking dumb, I think.

What are you expecting? What do you think the outcome is going to be? Because I thought the Jake Paul would have lost by now, even fighting these guys at some stage, but he keeps winning. I know that they're not in their prime or whatever, but the whole background was fighting.

That's a good point.

He keeps somehow pulling it out. If he pulls this one out, I don't care how old Mike Tyson gets. I'm not even fighting that guy until it… Because he actually sat down on my show. He's fucking crazy.

Really? Yeah.

I felt I'm not fighting. Even if he's seven years old, I'm not fighting him.

He just felt like he had that danger in him? Yeah, exactly.

I asked him, What would you be if you were in a box? He said, A fucking criminal, stone-cold in my eyes. I'm like, Okay, nice. If he pulls this one out, what do you think?

Well, I think... I mean, well, Jake fought Nate Robinson, who was like…

Nate should never have taken that fight. He'd like to harness his whole basketball career.

It was a Knicks legend. It was just like, Oh, can Jake beat a black-eye? That was the ambiance of that when it felt like, and then people were shocked. But then he fought Woodley. Which is tough. Which is tougher, but Woodley has not been the same fighter he's been for years, and he hasn't been a good punch thrower.

What about Diaz? I thought Dias. I thought Dias was going to get the job done.

Yeah, that's a good point.

Then Silver. I thought, these guys are some of the greatest UFC fighters of all time, especially Silver.

Right. I mean, he picked great names, but then now he's gone into boxing. He fought Fury.

Yeah, and he lost that. Okay, he lost that one, right? He lost to Tommy. Oh, yeah, that's right.

He lost to Tommy Fury.

I think Tyson could be still a little bit better. I would rather fight Fury than Mike Tyson, I think.

Well, they had that Tyson against Jones Jr. Fight a few years ago, is that right? It was just them hugging, basically. It was basically you paid $50 to watch Two Brothers hug, which I would do. I want all my black friends to do well and everything. I believe in the community and the culture. But it's like, actually, yeah, I would actually pay $50 to watch Two Brothers hug for an hour. That would be a great pay-per-view, but they build it as a boxing match. Jones was gassed out early.

Was Tyson gassed, too?

Yeah. They hugged so quick after any exchange. It was hard to know.

They didn't want to force it or risk it.

Yeah, it almost seemed like it was like a- Does this hurt Tyson's legacy if he loses it? I don't think so. I think his shit is so locked in. Yeah, Do you think so? Now he's all... Yeah, I think it is.

Is it staged at all?

Now, that's the part I don't know. I don't know if Tyson's going to agree to say, Hey, you can knock me out. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Because some of the weed can't even knock him out. Like, dude, that dude is taking on, let's say this. Yes, he fought Leon Holmes or whatever, but he's also fought Purple Hooker 4.0 weed. You know what I'm saying? Or whatever the strains are.

He gave me a box of it when I was in LA.

Did he really? Gasped out monster or whatever. They keep coming up with different flavors. They got the E is, too. Kiwi prison and shit. You're like, Fuck, dude, this shit is fucking hard, dude. Detroit for your lungs is a new flavor. I'm like, Detroit for your lungs. That's a He's coming. I think if he can beat all of that- When is it?

When is the fight?

June, no? Well, Jake had a fight the other day. He fought like a Foot Locker manager. Yeah, who was? Yeah. A Foot Locker manager. He basically fought a guy. I'm not even joking. Nobody knew who this guy- I didn't know who he was yet. Even the guy's father was tweeting like, I didn't know my son was involved in this. Oh, really? Yeah, it's like- That's funny.

Well, there's a good fight right now. Joshua N'Gano is on now. That's a good one.

Anthony Joshua and Francis N'Gano?

That's on right now, I think.

At this moment? Yeah. Oh, wow. Is he? Is he?

Man, he? Joshua won.

Anthony Joshua won. There you go.

I was pretty surprised by that, actually. I thought N'Gano was going to win that.

There's something so lovable about N'Gano. You watch him do anything. Yeah, that's true. He's a big man. I would watch him eat a He's got a piece of birthday cake for one hour on pay-per-view.

Yeah, he's a pretty good physique, I'm not going to lie.

There's just something charming about him. There's something about some players and athletes. That's one thing I do love about the UFC is that you can get to know some of the athletes. Because of the press conferences they give them and the interviews at the end of the fights and stuff, you start to get a little bit of an idea of who they are. Who do you like? I'm a huge Poirier guy. Oh, yeah.

He's fighting soon, too.

I saw. Yeah, he's fighting tomorrow, and this will come out next week, so he will have just fought. But yeah, I love him. I love the Diaz guys. I love the guys that I don't even like because you just get to know them. They're either the villains or you get to see their personalities online. Sugar Sean, he's fighting. It's just so entertaining.

There are a lot of characters on there now that I'm thinking about it.

Yeah. But I think Jake Paul could really bang on him, it looks like.

I don't want to. I think it hurts Tyson's legacy if he loses. Because no one really talks about who he fought back then. Now, it's just like He did what he did and he achieved it. Now, if he loses, it's going to be everywhere.

Yeah. It's a good point. When do you say, Hey, I'm good with where?

Sure he doesn't need the money.

Is he in the right mind? Who's signing that deal for him?

I don't know. I'm just going to be watching.

He fought. Who else did he fight? He fought damn Lester Douglas. He fought fucking 50 Shades of Cannabis. He's fought everybody. He's fought everything. He's fought Delta 8, probably when it first came on the market. That guy fucking-You're fucked. No, what I'm just saying. That guy, there's nothing-Yeah, he's been through a lot.

He told me that he'd been through. Obviously, he's been pretty open about it, but he said that he burnt the wick at both ends. He used to party like crazy and fight. It's nuts.

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What were you doing in Cleveland?

I don't know. It ended up being drugs. Oh, I know that. It was supposed to be work. And it was. But I ended up doing work and drugs. And then Yeah, the next night, I had a show in Indianapolis. Oh, it was horrible. I've been getting IVs all day and had to go on stage and just felt rattled. That was miserable.

What do you do now to just stay on the straight and narrow?

Nothing. I just got off of vaping, so but I'll have some fucking... What will I do? I'll have some fucking Pepsi Max, or I'll fucking slam a couple of Coke Zeros and just, I don't know, squeeze my fucking penis sometimes. I just I don't try not to jerk off at night. Really? Yeah, because I think I have better dreams and visions and stuff if I don't. I'll just try to just... Sometimes instead of masturbating, I'll just squeeze my wiener as hard as I can, almost squeezing the devil back into my body.

The fact that you say all of this, that last two sentences with a completely straight face, I believe you.Thanks.

Man.i.

Genuinely believe you.

I believe me, too, man. I've just done it so many times. Because for me, man, if the devil comes out of my wiener, that's where I feel like. You know what I'm saying? If I start thinking about something, I will tie my fucking penis to my foot and kick somebody's fucking neck open. That's how I feel.

You're fucking crazy, bro.

But that's how I feel, man, sometimes. But I think that's drugs also built up in my system. Possibly, yeah. Yeah. I used to vape. I'm actually maybe 11 days off of vaping right now. Yeah, get off to vape. It's fucking horrible. It's killing children.

Yeah, no, I don't like vaping.

Oh, dude, you see, they had that vape shop blew up. You see that, bitch? Finally, somebody's infiltrating these places. Here, right here.

What? Did a vape explode?

Explosion at vaping warehouse. Look at this. In Michigan, of course.

Any vape at any time can fucking do that, though.

Look at them blasting off like, fireworks. Is it good that the same thing- Is getting inhaled into people's lungs?

Yeah.

Shit that's in fireworks. Would you take a firework over to it? Look at this. This looks like Gaza. Look, there's some kids running up trying to get free vapes and shit. That's insane.

They'd have blown them, just catching the free ones.

Oh, I'm sure there's some fucked hard, just four buildings down just with his head out there.

Oh, yeah, that's cranberries. I'm glad you're off that.

Yeah, thanks, man. Yesterday, I had a moment where somebody had one, and I looked at it, and then I didn't even think about it. It was the first time that my brain felt like, oh.Thank.

God I'm not doing that shit.Yeah, dude.

Good. It's horrible. Also, you're a fucking adult and you're vaping and people see you and you feel like just a pedophile. It looks like it's for children.

Yeah. You don't drink anything anymore? No alcohol at all?

No, right now because I'll buy drugs. That's why. Yeah, okay. Did you ever get on? Did you ever drink much? Yes. Really? Yeah.

I still drink a little bit. I don't mind.

If you're good at it, fucking do it. Do it until you can't do it. Do it vapor, though.

I'm glad I did. That solidifies it. I'm never going to ever touch a vape again.

Well, you saw that. Imagine if somebody took a bottle rocket up to a seventh grader and just lit one in and said, Hey, bub, smoke this. You know what I'm saying?

It's tiny. It seems to be safe. Fuck that.

It's got the same chemicals as a fucking fourth of July in it. Yeah, it's pretty nuts. That's just damn alarming. But yeah, I'm sure there's probably people trying to get those vapes now, like explosion vapes. That's the thing. They'll just mark it as a new thing. It'll be a new marketing tactic. Like, come get these…

That's social media, though.

Yeah.

Somehow turn something like that into a positive.

Yeah, it's pretty alarming. What else do you see? You can't vape out on the court. Anybody ever smoke at halftime during you all's games?

We don't have halftime, but no. Look, the closest thing to something pretty loose on a tennis court is you see someone drinking a Coca-Cola. Back in the old days, I think people used to maybe… There was a guy who played this, actually one of the… He played the William Sisters because there was a big thing between can females and males compete at the same level? Then some guy ranked 200, went out there with… I think you can actually find on the internet, he was smoking a cigarette and having a beer while he played the William Sisters, and he beat them. But that was probably the last time someone ever smoked a cigarette on court.

Wow. It was one verse two?

No, he versed Serena, I think, Venus first, and then Serena after.

There is a difference in level between the masculine and feminine play, usually?

I believe so, yeah.

Well, there's a genetic difference. There's a-Yeah.

We have two separate tours. Yeah, big time.

There's a scientific difference. There's also probably a difference in where your body can even move. I don't know what they are, but because I think women have a different cossets or, I don't know what it's called, hips or whatever.

I don't know, man. Yeah, I don't know. But we play Grand Slams, we play best of five, which can go for five hours.

If you play against a woman or people do...

There's mixed doubles. There's mixed doubles. Oh, there is. I I played with Venus against someone else. You did? Against someone else, yeah. Wow. Mixed doubles was fun. I think mixed doubles actually should be played more because it's entertaining, right? It's more fun seeing both sexes on the court at the same time, in my opinion, for the fans. Like me, I never thought I'd play with Venus Williams. It's pretty cool.

Yeah, wow. I went to Wimbledon one time. Did you? Yeah, I was doing a comedy tour over there in England, and we went to damn Wimbledon. I remember walking up and being like, I don't fit in here I didn't know what we should do. I felt like you had to at least be able to play an instrument or something to get in. I just felt…

Yeah, just tick it. That's it?

Yeah, I was like, damn, I don't know the violin or whatever. You know what I'm saying? It just seemed very… I remember saluting people at the gate or whatever, and the guy was like, What are you doing?

Yeah. Now, Wimbledon, it's very proper. That place hasn't changed in 100 years.

Does your sport feel too proper ever?

For me, I grew up loving basketball. I love NBA, I watch it religiously. When I played tennis, I always felt like I was a bit of a misfit. I didn't fit in well. Then when I was walking to places like Wimbledon, I was like, This place is crazy. It's so against what I like. I was watching I love watching basketball, entertainment. American sport for me in general is where I fit in. I feel very at home in the States.

Oh, wow. Yeah, it's for me. It's like being at the library, I feel like.

Yeah, that's what I mean. My personality in the way I am is not close to how the traditional sport of tennis is. Do you know what I mean? I'm not clean-cut at all. It's like I've just been in an environment my whole life that I've wanted to break out of. But that's the only thing I'm really fucking good at.

But that's the only thing you're good at?

Well, I'm good at other things, but that's where we all have our-Right, your thing you do.

Exactly. Oh, yeah. I look at a musician. I went and watched a musician play the other night. I'm like, God, we went and saw Fred again. Have you seen this guy DJ? No. Yeah, he's Fred again. And he was always Fred, I think, but he still is, right? And we saw him and it was great. Yeah, I was like, God, that's so awesome. Why didn't I try to do that? And then you have the instruments and the lights and it's a fucking party.

Every night, that would be tough, though. Don't you think? Yeah. You got to match everyone's energy all night. How did you get into this? Has anyone ever asked you that?

In a podcasting?

Yeah, just like you. How How did it all happen for you? Because I feel like there was a time where Theovon didn't exist in my life, and then now that's all I see is you. Yeah. So what was the journey like?

Oh, that's interesting, man. Well, I'd done comedy for a long time. People forget sometimes, I think. I don't know if they forget, they just don't know. They don't know when you go on stage. You've been going on stage for 18 years, even if they only known you about you for four years.

Comedy is a tough gig, by the way.

I think it's probably similar in some of the sense. I You can imagine having to do a four-hour set, but at least you get to hit it to the other person and let them deal with it for a minute.

Yeah, for a second.

Yeah, just for a second.

Yeah.

Mother? Okay. That's true. You really don't get much of a break. You're like, Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck. But then when I think social media really got crazy, everything was going good with podcasting, that really helped because we felt caged up by the entertainment industry. It's the same people making the same choices. It's a very secular group over there. If they don't pick you to be a person or something they see or they don't like some of your vision, then they don't push you forward. But if you tell me that, I'm going to fucking find a way forward. That's the only thing I've ever known is I never want to do shit your way anyway. I don't even know what the fuck I was doing here, pretending I was. That's the saddest part sometimes for me. But I don't say that. I don't know. I say that I think some of that's in hindsight. At the time, yeah, you want to go with... You want to try the path that's there. I was going on podcast, and then I walked out of Joe Rogan's podcast one day, and I was like, I just want to just have my own thing.

I just want to have my own thing. Thank God that there was people like Mark Merrill, Aaron and Rogan. There was a fighter in the Kid, which was an early podcast with Brennan Shob and Brian Callen. There was just these things, Pete Holmes. There was a lot of pot, and it was like a thing. I just started in my kitchen, and then social media. Other people made clips, and that got things to a different place, when people started taking stuff and making it.

And then just putting it out there.

Yeah, because then you're-It's spreading. Yeah, you're spreading it, but you're not doing the spreading. But it's alarming, too, because then you can't control the spread.

That's true. That's what I was going to ask you because I feel like today's day and age with what you say and stuff, but I feel like you don't filter anything, but you're still saying what you want to say. A lot of people I know that I can't say things. Sitting with you right now, I know that I could be as honest as anything, but if I said something slightly controversial, it would affect my career drastically.

If you text it, I'll yell it out.

See, that's what I'm saying. I'm jealous in that way because I'm from Australia, and I'm already against the April. The media is always against me to create this reputation that I'm a bad guy, whatever.

What did you even do? You just wore high socks, dude, and fucking- Threw a tennis record or some shit.

But it's like, I envy the fact that you can be so honest.

Oh, I see. Well, I think if you're already leaning into some of this world with your own voice, because that's really what you're doing, I think, with podcasting. I think some people, we don't even realize it maybe, is that you're just trying to have your own voice. That's a part of it in our psyche, I think. I don't say that from a preachy point. I say it, I think, from a realization point, even for me just now. It's like, Oh, I just want to have my own voice. I think if you want to have that, then it'll probably be something that you have down the line. If you're having seeds of it come into your own existence now.

Yeah, I feel like people are embracing it a little bit more. But still, I would like to be a bit more honest about some things.

One day you'll get to, man. I hope so. Yeah, because I guess it does feel caged up. Well, I think if you work within a network We had this guy, Trevor Bauer, on recently, and he's a pitcher, and he got maligned in the States for some sexual allegations, right? And then he played in Japan, and it came to be there was never any prosecution or anything. One of the people pressing charges or the main person pressing charges, there wasn't any validity there. It was dishonest. But he never really has gotten back on his feet for pitching.

The damage is probably done because the media- The damage was done.

But also, I think he had been somebody who wanted to have their own voice in his sport. He had started, he has a YouTube platform, and he would comment about things he didn't love about the sport as well. I think that once you're within a bigger group, you have to work with the rules of the group.

Who does your stuff? You do your show, this podcast, and then you go to your show tonight. Who do you answer to? Or do you just run on your own schedule?

Yeah, we just run on our own schedule. But I don't play professional sport if I also was playing within a-Yeah, it's true. Then probably if you say something, then it comes the tennis. What's the overall tennis thing called? Major League Tennis?

It's just called ATP. Yeah, that's all it is.

Atp. They would be like, What's going on? It probably cages you up some.

You definitely got to come. When I'm coming back, you got to come and watch.Dude, that would be sick.That would be fucking epic, bro.

Yeah, because the only one we could get into at Wimbledon. I think it was Wimbledon. It could have been a fucking high school match, but somebody said it was Wimbledon. Did you even remember it played? It could have been the Kentucky Derby, actually. When is Wimbledon? July. Oh, July? I got to look back and see. I got to ask my friend.

The fact that you don't even remember, that disappoints me. Because my job is when people that are not tennis fans, they come and watch, they actually remember who the fuck is playing. Oh, wow. That's what I've been criticized doing. Like, he's not even playing tennis the traditional way. I'm like, Theo Someone came to Wimbledon, he doesn't even know who played. That should be a message to the H-A-P right now. We're doing a terrible job.

Is it this that they have a tough time? I guess there's fear of if they start to individualize people too much over the sport, then it gives a lot more power to the players themselves. I don't know. I wonder what that's like.

Yeah. I mean, everyone knows who the players are who bring fans and why the ticket sales get sold and all that type of stuff. Everyone knows that. The AGP likes to hide the fact that they think it's an equal thing, but it's not. The fact that there's a tennis player sitting in your podcast right now, that's pretty cool.

Yeah, I think it's cool, man. This is the first real tennis player I've ever talked to, except for my friend's dad, who ended up... He was an alcoholic, to be honest with you, but he cheated on their mom. But he played tennis a lot in the mornings, I remember. He would I would catch him at night, and I was looking at porno on the computer. But he was a pretty good tennis player. I think he was a 3-5 or a 4-0.

Is that good? What is that? 3-5 and a 4-0?

I don't know. They might have made it up. I don't even know. I don't know what was going on. Have you played before? I got to text my buddy. Yeah, I've played, man.

Tennis is pretty big in the States. Obviously, not as big as your main sports, but there's a lot of tennis fans out there.

When we were children, we had to play at school. It was You would see, wow, some people are very unathletic. Yeah, they have it.

That's my thing with tennis. You get the best athletes in the world, you put a tennis rack in their head, they become uncoordinated. Really? Yeah.

Have you seen it happen?

Yeah, a lot of times. I've seen some basketball players try and play. Some of our athletes in Australia try and play tennis. They think it's noncontact. It's easy.

Yeah, it's such a finesse game, huh?

It's finesse. Very technical, yeah.

If Do you have a bathroom break, how long is that?

Well, the rules, that's where it gets gray because if you need to take a number two, take a shit, you can just be like, I need to go straight away. And then it's all on the umpire's discretion.

No way. So you have a shit colonel Like an admiral or whatever?

Yeah, well, like the umpire.

Like an admiral or whatever?

Yeah, like an admiral. Yeah, like umpire. But if I need to go to the bathroom, I can go change of ends, but it's for 90 seconds. No. But then if I need to take... Then how do they know? I could get sick, I could be sick or I hate having to pee real fast because it burns a little, too. I don't know if that's healthy, brother.

Yeah, that's true.

Oh, God, dude.

I shouldn't have fucking said that. It doesn't burn all the time. But if you have to hurry and pee, sometimes if somebody's like, hurry up, and you're like, fuck.

You get stagefired.

Or, yeah, you just have to pee so fast. If you get stagefired in front of yourself, then you're just a fucking weirdo, I think. I don't get that. I don't get that, dude. But, yeah, so you have to How do you... Do you give a guy a little bit of a signal that you have to go to the loo or what do you do?

You just have to ask him. You're just like, Oh, how do you go to the bathroom?

Your Honor, can I shit?

Yeah, basically. You can't just get subbed off and go to the... Yeah, you have to be like, Can I go to the bathroom?

Whatever. Oh, my God. So it's very much like the old days in the king of it.

The game in my eye, it's a bit old school. It's not going to be... If you look where sports going now and how entertaining it is, especially with all these misfit boxing matches, all this type of stuff, like tennis. It's got some work to do.

It would be cool if at certain points, the net lit up or something, and there was a spice round or something. There you go.

Yeah, but they like the way it is, but it needs to change.

How can it change, though? That's what's interesting, too, is some sports, you wonder if they just...

If it hit the ceiling almost.

Yeah, in a way. Obviously, competition will always want people to be there. But you wonder, I never thought about that. Do some sports start to Have they just had their time and existence? Like Bocce Ball.

What is that?

Yeah, what is it? Great question. I don't know, but I know at one point, it was one of the top 11 sports in the whole world. When was Bocce Ball big, brother?

You pull that up. Tennis, I guess, it's just because I think they're afraid to lose the lifelong fans that they've had.

You know what I mean? Yes. You do need those because- You do, but then you also, how does the sport survive?

I'm not a big... I wasn't I'm not a big UFC guy at all. Now I like watching it. You know what I mean? If they just stayed true to their fighting fans, I think they've done an amazing job marketing at press conferences. Tennis has none of that. Tennis, we don't even have... If we had a press conference before the match, that would be good. But now we only have post. You know what I mean?

Yeah. It could use something. Yeah. How do you spice it up? But it definitely is challenging because it's like with any brand. It's like, how do you cater to... We We have some young audience members. I'll be around kids, and they're like, What the fuck? All me will say that in front of their parents, and their parents are like, You can't say what the fuck. I'm like, I can say it to them.

Yeah, I know. I don't know this kid. If you strip it back, you're teaching people to just be yourself and be comfortable in your own skin. I think at the end of the day, it's not... This is a swear word.

Who fucking... Yeah, I think the alarming part is when they say it in in front of the parent and then they're like, Yeah, this guy says it. I'm like, And then because in this moment, me and the kid know each other and the parents are like, How do you know my child?

I don't know this fucking kid.

Then I'll say it again just so the parent knows that I do use the word, but yeah.

With everything on the internet, though, I don't think watching you swear is that bad compared to some of the shit that's on there now.

Yeah, that's a good point.

It's very less of the two tables, that's for sure.

Yeah. What did it say? When was Bocce ball one of the biggest?

How do you play? Is it like lawn bowls?

Yes, it's lawn bowls.

That's still pretty. It's not small now.

No, I agree.

It's actually hard, by the way. I played recently. Really? It's a lot harder than I thought it was going to be.

When we go to the beach, someone brings it, usually. The sport is very popular on the Eastern side of the Adriatic, especially in Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bosnia, Montenegro, I'll say that, Slovenia. Yeah, because people are always going to want to compete. But yeah, I wonder what you could do to tennis to make it spice up. I think if they're... You can't put cheerleaders. That's too much.

Is it?

What about this? If they had a chicken, a box on the sideline, and every now and then she just smiled at a play, that would be hot. What do you say?

A chicken, a box?

Yeah, if you had a dame or I don't know what you guys call them over here, but a female of chest with breasts of chest. I don't know how you say it, but if you had a female of chest and she was in a little bit of a cage, maybe, I don't want to say it.

And a good shot happened? A good shot happened.

Every now and then, she would just smile or wink. Just something casual and subtle, so it's respectful, but still just gets a bit more-Off chest. Yeah. Just gets a bit more of like, Oh, look at Olivia.

She enjoyed it. You definitely function on a different spectrum, man.

I love it. But you know what I'm saying? Oh, look, Chloe enjoyed that. If this one extra little thing to give it some-If it would get you more interested, then it would help. Yeah, if you got to see if Chloe was interested, if she just kept reading her book in the little box in the cage or whatever. People know what I'm talking about. What else is going on?

Bocce ball.

Yeah, Bocce ball. Ten facts about Bocce ball, the world's third most popular sport. You're lying.

No, because you got to think about all of the elderly, it's low impact. They play with their friends.

Bocce ball is the third most popular sport in the world after soccer and golf. Wow. Oh, there's a lot of senior beef. Yeah, definitely. A lot of people playing for heart pills out there. Imagine that where you put your script on the line against Mr. Gordon.

That's so good, right? Heart pills.

Wow, George Washington a Bocce court at Mount Vernon in the 1780s. That must have been big then, man. If in the President, build a Bocce court- Must have been the thing. Yeah, it must have been the thing, man. Notable Bocce players have included the Roman Emperor. So back then, the ancient Greek physician Hippocrates. Go the other way, bro. And Galileo, damn, baby. They had that fucking space baby playing. That's insane. 25 Five million people in the US alone play Bocce? Bro, I think this was written by somebody that plays Bocce. What? I've only seen it with some senior citizens, and there's a lot of regulation, Bocce courts are 91 feet long by 13 feet long, and variations are acceptable if foul lines, mid-court lines, and inbound markers are designated. Do What do you guys think of with paddle ball coming on? Is that a fucking like a lot? Does that feel alarming you guys with paddle ball coming on? Or it's whatever?

Well, pickle ball is huge, too.Pickle ball, that's what I mean. That's gone crazy. I'm a part owner in one of the teams.Oh, you are?Yeah, in Miami.

Now, is that a bad look?

Well, I don't think so. I love just people. Sport in general, for me, getting people active and stuff is good.

Yeah, it's true. It's not a bad look.

Look, I think tennis will always be tennis. It's a very different. Tennis is way harder. But there's been a couple of people that... One of my best friends played professional tennis, and now he plays professional pickleball. Really? Yeah. It's good. Mahomes, he's the same team owner as me as well in Miami, so it's cool. A lot of big guys are getting involved in it. It's pretty good.

Now, as a part owner, do you have responsibilities in the team?

We have team meetings every now and then. I don't do much for them apart from be a part of their, I guess, marketing and all that type of stuff. But we do have team meetings. One time, I wasn't really happy with my team, and I told them to get a new team so we could start winning. Yeah. It's fun. I reckon you'd be good at this, to be honest.

I played it two times.

Oh, you played it?

Yeah, but one time, we didn't bring any sunscreen.

So you got burnt?

I got... I don't know what happened to me, but I've definitely... I left of me out there on the field, baby.

It's fun. It's growing, too. It's huge in the States.

It's growing, and it's also... There's a big gay contingency in the States that's playing as well. Can you look that up? Gay pickleball? It's huge in the States.

What? Just gay pickleball?

Yeah, because I think it's just the attire and the pitter-patter close to the bat. It's like, pickleball is personally and financially welcoming for gay players. Told you. There's no way you're going to get four people that close together in little shorts batting something around and the gay dudes aren't going to get excited. Bro, it's a gay people can play whatever they want, and they're doing it right here. It says, Bring up a gay pickleball player. Sees the top. You're telling me this. Click on that image. Go back one, please, brother. Click on this image right here. You're telling me. That's a girl. That's a girl. Yeah, but you can barely tell it is, dude. You're telling me every gay male in America doesn't see this and be like, Get me an Uber over there right now. This is everything they want, man. It's competitive. It's outdoorsy. Yeah, there he is right here. There's a player right here. Out players. Zack, tell us to zoom in on it. Can we get a better picture of him? Come on. This This is definitely... This is the...

Oh, my gosh.

This is the... This is everything. This is everything.

You want to zoom in on his shorts or what?

I'm just seeing. Or just look up a better picture of him. This guy's over here, this pervert over here. He's a pervert. Over I'm just not know how I can zoom in on the guy. Sorry, I know I told you to, but still, just because somebody tells you to be a pervert doesn't mean you should. But no, I'm joking, man. You're a great guy, and I think we But yeah, I just want to see because I'm sure this is gay pickleball phenoms because it's a perfect sport. Just curious. When I started podcasting, I didn't know. People sometimes wanted to buy a shirt or something. People would say, Hey, do you have a shirt or something I could buy? I didn't know what they were. I was like, Go Kmart or something. But eventually, I understood they wanted a shop online where they could get items that supported the show. When I started an online store was the furthest thing from my mind. But now we have one, and we cater to things that people want. It's so easy, all because I use Shopify. Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business.

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What are you doing off this? Chilling for a bit? Lunch?

What am I going to do?

Relax, Shirley. Go have a sleep.

Might go get a nap at some point. I might hit an AA meeting. I go to AA meetings because I'm mentally unwell. Then, yeah, hang out with my boys, maybe hit the pool for a bit. Yeah. Get to the show tonight.

What time do you start?

I go on at 7:40. The show starts at 7:00. Over at the ICC, we got a couple of shows. The last night was amazing. That place is amazing. You've been there? Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, I mean, you said it. They love you here, bro.

It's just amazing over there. Yeah, the people, they don't cheer as much at the end, though, which is interesting. Really? Yeah, they all right, we had a nice time. It's fair. I like it. It's like, yeah, we both came, we did our service.

Yeah, but I want them to go crazy for you.

They definitely are excited. Some lady last night left me a love note on the stage.

Can you read it?

Let me see if I have it on me.Oh, my God.Fuck, I don't have it.

Was it like a love?

It was a poem. It was from a woman of Slavic. She She said she was Slavic, so I think that's you. You've got Slavia. She said she had a poem, and it said, Call me at the bottom. No contact information. So just...

Yeah. Okay, awesome. Thanks.

It's a pretty good poem. Pretty good poem, though. Are people allowed to throw messages to you guys? Do you guys get a- At the end of the match, if you win, you can go sign to the fans, hundreds of fans and Sometimes, definitely. Someone will try to holler at you. A woman will try to holler at you.

Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's happened. I feel like that's a normal thing sometimes in sport, though. People shoot their shot at their athletes.

Yeah, that's a good point. And has anybody ever tried to write their number on a ball or something and just thrown it out on the court or anything?

Not because it's hard to do it on the ball, but yeah, like that. Like love notes, a piece of paper, that type of stuff. People get pretty creative these days. I mean, with social media, though, It's pretty easy.

It's pretty easy. Yeah, but I'll message a girl, I'll go back. Even if it's a girl that I'm interested in, I'll be like, Oh, maybe... Because I don't have a wife yet. I travel a lot, so it's hard to build something. I agree. Sometimes I'm like, I would like to meet somebody. But then I'll find... The other day, a girl messaged me, right? It was just a nice little message. I wrote her back. Then she takes our message and puts it on her story.

Story. Yeah, that's fucked up.

And so then I'm like, well, now-That's your life, bro.

That shit happened all the time now.

I'm not complaining about... Yeah, but it just was like, no, but fuck, now it's like I... But then now you feel like you feel like such a fucking... I didn't say anything messed up.

Yeah, you were just being nice.

But you feel like a creep, and then it makes you where like, oh, I'm never messaging anybody again.

Now you get walls up. I know that. I've had plenty of times where shit like that's happened, and it's like, I feel like... Yeah, it's fucked I feel sorry for you in that standpoint. It would be 10 times worse for you in my... But that shit's cool.

Oh, I don't know. I think for... But with that, at least I just don't have a company to report to. What if you have at least... They could say something.

Yeah, I mean, look. Yeah, I mean, still, today's day and age, where you just message a girl back and then what she posted online from what?

For a bit of clout. I know. It just is weird because then you're like, Oh, we can't even get to know each other. But I don't know. I guess it is what it is, man. I don't want to sound like one of these fucking guys that's complaining about some girl messaging you.

I know, but that's why I think if you look at the rate of relationships failing and stuff, it's because of all that type of stuff. Oh, it's horrible.

Oh, it's real scary, man. Yeah, it's just scary. There didn't used to be so many things you would see that would tempt you because temptation, you can't really... You can only fight it so much. It's built into you. Yeah, you can avoid it. To be attracted to it, something else is built into you.

Yeah, I I don't disagree. But it used to be in the old days, you would just go to the grocery market or something, you would see a woman across the thing and you would just... I guess now it's a bit more accessible and attainable. Oh, yeah. But yeah, that makes me angry when you just tell me what they should post.

It made me angry, too, because then it made me like, Oh, now I'm never going to message anybody. Then my brain starts going, Well, now you're never going to fucking meet anyone. You're fucking queer or something.

It all happened organically.

Yeah, that's what they keep saying right here. What happened here? Ex-inmate who complained he spent too long in jail on Joe Rogan's podcast, arrested after police find body parts in freezer. This guy, something Johnson, was it?

Wait, sorry. Wait, so he went to prison?

He went to prison. An ex-convict who claimed to have turned his life around after Joe Rogan's podcast has been arrested in charge of murder. Sheldon Johnson, 48, had been on the Joe Rogan and discussed his justice reform advocacy in an episode that air just last month. Johnson had previously spent over two decades behind bars after a sentence for attempted murder and robbery. He spent two decades- Then he got out and then he went on the podcast, and they just found this recently. Yes. Are you joking? Then he just now killed somebody.

Then just stuck it in the freezer.

I think, yeah. At least he put him in the freezer.

I knew something like that was coming.

What do you do?

Dude, what are you talking about? I'm just saying there's- That is not at least. Why is at least at the front of that, bro?

Yeah, I guess you're right.

It's like, what do you mean at least?

Well, there's some level of decency. I feel like if you just kill someone and leave them out to spoil or whatever. That's fucking horrible. You don't think so?

I just think that person just needs to get put away again.

Well, yes, I think we can both agree with that, Nicholas. That's not normal. But I'm just saying that I believe- But what happens if he put in the freezer because he wanted to do something to it afterwards?

That's sick in the head.

Well, that's very sick, yes. But I think if it's just a level of like, Oh, gosh, at least let me do my best by them now, Yeah, I guess. You're right. I mean, yeah. But did he put the whole body in? What did he do? Let's see what he did, at least, before we make a judgment.

You should search up. So some guy... You know, hey, this is on you saying Australia is being a safe place and whatever. About six months ago, someone came to my house with a gun. He searched it up on the internet if you want.

A gun?

Yeah, and he had my mom at gunpoint, stole my car. No way. I had a Tesla. It was a green Tesla. Anyway, he stole it. The article came out yesterday. He pled guilty yesterday. If you see there, it's right there. Then they found out yesterday that he killed someone 20 years ago. No. Yeah, fucking crazy. That was my car. I don't have it anymore. He He came to my house, stole it with a gun, and then he pled guilty. But then later in the article, it says that he killed someone 20 years ago.

A 33-year-old Canberra man has pleaded guilty in the act of Supreme Court to rob her with an offensive weapon over the theft of tennis player nick at Mr. Krios's Tesla in May last year. The man pointed the gun at Ms. Krios's mother.It.

Was a pretty scary day, man.Oh.

My God. And you weren't there.

I was in the house. I was in bed. It was Monday morning, 7:45. I ran to the door. My mom was screaming, and then she was just saying, he's got a gun, he's got a gun. I was just like, it's called the police. I saw him outside and I was like, holy shit.

And your mother came inside then?

Yeah. She told her to come out and start the car. She's like, I don't know how to do it. Then she just ran back in, locked the door. It was fucking heavy, man. My girlfriend was there, too.

Dude, that must have been so scary because it's your freaking mother.

Yeah, bro. It was crazy. Then they only found out yesterday that it was the same guy that ran over someone 20 years ago.

The 33-year-old was denied bail over the incident and has been in custody since. At one point, the men's lawyer tried to have the case thrown out, saying the police had taken too long to hand over their brief of evidence. But on Friday, he pleaded guilty to rob her with an offensive weapon.

Yeah, that's That was crazy. Anyway, that was just on there. There you go. See, look here.

Wow. The man responsible for the theft is the same man who hit and killed 21-year-old Canberra woman, Clea Rose, in 2005. Ms. Rose died three weeks after the hit and run. The man who was 14 at the time. Oh, Pleaded guilty to culpable driving, causing death, and was sentenced to 18 months in a youth detention center. Wow. So he is not-Changed. Well, he has a lot of issues with automobiles, huh? Yeah. As well. I mean, That's crazy. Yeah. I wonder what makes him want to do that.

It was just crazy. Just on the whole thing that just came out yesterday. It's crazy.

That day was-So yesterday, you just found all that out?

Well, we knew that the trial was-That he also did the murder. Yeah, that came out yesterday. We knew that he was going to court and stuff.

How did they convict him? How did they know?

I don't know. I guess they just... That's what I said. I was like, How did it take almost seven months to find out that it's the same guy? But it was like, anyway, that was a scary morning. It was just on the topic that Australia is a nice... That's what I mean, man. The stuff's coming. It's everywhere now.

Is it really getting worse, you think?

In Australia, yeah, big time. I'm from Canberra. It's not a great neighborhood, but it's not like to someone to come on Monday morning at 7:45 to your doorstep and then just point a gun at your mom's.

Oh, it sounds very American, sadly. I say that sadly, man. It's so sad. There's a part of me that does not want to go back and feel at risk all the time. I feel like you always have to protect yourself.

Yeah, I definitely feel like... My parents have lived there for 40 years, so it's a bit scary for me. There was another, some guy actually came robbed out in another car the other day as well. It's getting crazy. Scary.

And guns. How did that guy even get a gun?

People can get guns. Really? Yeah, man.

Because you always think of they wouldn't have it. Yeah, because you always hear that there's no guns. Because you always think about grand theft Australia or whatever, and people are just trying to convince each other to get out of the car or whatever.

That's what I mean. There was a time where someone having a gun in Australia was like... But now it's like, dude, it happened six months ago. It's wild. Scary.

I know. I just wish that people use swords and shit still.

That'd be pretty hectic.

So much more fair, though.

Yeah. I mean, look, it's a bit more fair.

You have a sword on you?

No, I don't have a sword on me, bro. I'm not a fighter, man.

Look, I ain't looking. I'll tell you that. Do you think because you're really locked in, you guys have a backhand, right?

Backhand, forehand, yeah.

So do you think when you look at this slap fight-Dude, what the f? You think this is something you could get into?

Dude, this shit's crazy. This is entertaining, man. I don't mind this as, Oh, my God. Tattoo is not going to save you at that.

Yeah, that guy thought, and that's blackface also, too. Can we just say that like, Oh, that guy's nothing.

That's flirting. Bro.

Oh, that's Bexy. Oh, damn.

No, this sport's crazy. This sport is like, This sport's nuts.

Whoa, that guy started in the past.

So much momentum. Oh, this guy shaking. It's pretty crazy, eh?

But do you think you could do this? Because it's built into your body system.

Yeah, maybe. But I don't know how good I would be at taking the hit, though. A tennis player, we hit maneuver, very calculated for our next move. Where here, it's like, you want to throw one, you have to stay put. No, I'm not doing that, bro.

Sorry. Also, you're tall. If people feel like we're aiming up, it would just be all... They would really be able to... I don't know. I don't know the angles and how it affects what's best.

There's different...

You got to go sometime. If you're in the States, dude, I'll take you if there's one.

Yeah, I'll go watch. I like Wolverine. I like that guy.

Yeah, bring him up.

He's dope. Wolverine and Toppen, I think his name is. T-u-p-p-i-n. He's It's awesome to watch. You got to watch him versus Toppen, I think. T-u-p-p-i-n.

I might have been at. I went to one. I'm going to one in a couple of weeks.

The crowds are big there.

Yeah. It's not as big. It's pretty small. Intimate. It's intimate.

Here it is. This guy's nuts.

Wolverine versus Turpan.

Yeah.

Light heavy match. Oh, no. The one I didn't see wasn't for the title.

This dude, Turpan's face. Yeah, these guys are nuts.

He knocked that guy as a cap of cig. I think he knocked him out.

Sometimes I think a slap like that would hurt more than a punch.

Oh, you're right.

Honestly, sometimes I do think that this guy just, watch this, ready? Bang, bang. Oh, here we go.

Dude, he's-Oh, look, he's singing the national anthem. He's definitely fired up right there. Bro, and that guy might not even have a chin. He's definitely hiding whatever. He may have a unique chin under there. It's very hard to hit somebody like that. I wonder if you can get down low.

No, because that's called clubbing, I think. If you get down low and try and club, I think it has to be a legal slap because all the thing about legal slaps, how you throw it. Then if someone flinches, they get to slap again. It's heaps of all these rules. It's crazy.

What if someone just screams little girl? That's what I would worry.

That's what happens. I would do it.

I don't care. I would do that first. So at least if you get hit after, it would be like, I'd be like, Oh. And then just get fucking drilled. Can you bring up what are the rules of power slap? It's a great question.

Power Slap is nuts.

Yeah, I went one time and there was Cowboy Cerroni was there, Sean Strickland. It's definitely a lot of influencer entertainers. A lot of Dana White's friends are there. It's very much like a friendly thing. Who strikes first in Power Slap? A coin toss or seeding method will determine who gets to elect to slap or defend first. The clock, you have 30 seconds to slap, 30 seconds to recover, repeat. Wow, bro, that is a short amount of time.

Thirty seconds. Yeah, that's quick.

Weight classes are consistent with MMA, so there is a weight class. I didn't realize that. Rounds, the number of rounds depends on the format, with the minimum being three. In each round, both competitors have the opportunity to deliver a single strike to their opponent's face and the obligation to receive their opponent's strike in return. Method of victory, KO, T KO, and points. Like boxing in MMA, power slap judging is based on a 10-point must system with a round winner scoring 10 points and the opponent scoring nine or fewer. Wow.

Dana White owns this as well, right? Yes. It's pretty crazy.

It's unbelievable, yeah. This This is, according to Dana, one of the most viral things that happens when it happens. Fouls, striker fouls include clubbing, stepping. I guess I'd be making an actual step with your foot. Illegal wind up. I would be way guilty of that.

And delay of game. Flinching, blocking, delay of game.

Wow. The complete power slap rule, so we posted shortly. Pretty cool. Yeah, that's crazy, man. You think you could do No.

I don't think... Getting hit, no. That's your thing?

No. What is one of the scariest moments in a tennis match? Are there moments where you find... Because I'm sure so much of it is rhythm. You've done it so much, Right? Yeah. Is there moments where you feel out of rhythm and you're like, Fuck, this is a...

Yeah, big time. At US Open, I was playing quarterfinals of US Open. And I was... Like, US Open, Arthurash Stadium is one of the biggest stadiums in the world for tennis. It's literally you walk to the back of the court, you look up, it's like a sea of people just staring down at you, and it's really loud. You got celebrities there. Michael Jordan was there once. No. Pretty lit. It's a surreal feeling walking out to a court like that in front of 60,000, and then you get millions of people watching around the world. But it's like, if you're playing horrible, and you know deep down if you're not having a good day on court and you can't fix it because you can't just instantly fix it. You got to be like, Shit, I can't just sub off here or pause the game or take a time out. It's like the game just keeps going. You got to just problem-solve on the go. It's fucking hard.

Is it possible to turn it around in a match? Is it possible? Yes, because in a grand slam, it's like you have to win three sets.

So even if you lose the first two, you have time to figure it out and turn it around. But it's fucking hard. It's why Novak and Federer and Nadal have been so dominant for so long because in the Grand Slam, it's so hard to get on top of for that long. Pause. You might win a set or two. That's like two hours, but then they'll eventually start figuring you out. And then it's just like...

And is there actual coaching that helps, or is it just at that point, you know what's going on?

Everyone knows everyone's strengths and weaknesses. It's just about execution at that point. When you're out there alone, your coach can yell something out, but if you can't execute, it's not going to happen. It's a brutal sport, man. Is it? I don't think people give it enough credit, especially the top. Interesting. Yeah.

Yeah, that's what I... Because to stay that long, four hours of doing... Who does anything Unless you're just doing something? That's just such a commitment. You have to be mentally locked in, too. Are there ever points you just zoned out? You're like, Fuck. Yeah, big time.

Sometimes I just throw a game or a set, just to mentally reset, for sure. Definitely. Yeah.

Wow. So that's almost part of the strategy, too.

You're like-Yeah, it's like boxing. You put your hands down for a little bit or just taking a little bit of a pause. I've been accused of not trying or it's called tanking. You're just giving the opponent easy points. And it's just like, I'm just trying to compose myself to go again. It's like a boxer does it. You wouldn't accuse him of just not trying. It's just a tactic. It's hard.

Yeah, man. Damn, I never realized that. I never even thought about it. I never even thought about what it would be like to be out there for so long. Then if you're not doing well, then, too, how do you even keep going?

You got to have a short term memory loss or you have to be a good loser in tennis because you lose every week, essentially. You have to win six matches to win a tournament. And Novak, these greatest of all time, are usually winning these tournaments. So you win, then you got to lose, and you just reset next week, new country. Losing is just part of the process, really, which is hard.

And is there much camaraderie amongst the players and stuff? Or do you get to- Another cool thing.

Any other pro sport, you have your own locker room. You eat separately. Tennis, you're all in one locker room. I'm showering and I'm eating and I'm spending time with my opponent before going out there and playing. No. Yeah. Then you might be out there four hours playing, and then you just next to each other again straight after the match. No. Fucking crazy.

Oh, is that so... Is sometimes that really uncomfortable? You're like, I do not want to be around this person anymore.

Yeah, he's fucking-We just competed and we could get into a bit of a scuffle on the court or argument, then you're sharing next to the guy. It's like, what the fuck is this? It's crazy. Wimbledon final me and Novak in the same locker room, right next to each other. Then we're walking out together, eating together. Then we play. The final-What the fuck, dude? Yeah, it's crazy.

Why would they... They should film all of that. Why isn't that the first three sets, dude? You guys just having soup next to each other. It's pretty Angrily, yeah. I don't see why that isn't the first. Oh, it's so intense. What's any other news? Anything else that popped up that was in our list, man? And we'll get you out of here, nick.

Easy, brother.

This is about AI. Jensen Juan, who I'm going to assume is Essian. At the recent World Government Summit in Dubai, NVIDIA CEO, Jensen Wang made a counterintuitive break with what he thinks is a long tradition of tech CEOs advising youngsters to learn how to code. Wang argued that even at this early stage of the artificial intelligence revolution, programming is no longer a vital skill. With coding taken care of by AI, humans can instead focus on more valuable expertise like biology, education, manufacturing, or farming.Wow.I.

Agree with it. You do? Yeah, because it's like anything you leave down computers and AI, if it's something to do with numbers, for sure. It'd get done probably 10 times more accurate and done in this shorter period of time.

But here's one thing that's interesting about AI is if they can program the back end of AI, then they'll be able to start to dictate what even is created or written and what history is in it. Like I say, if they only put a certain history in AI and they only say one side of history. Then if you're even writing a paper and you want to to use AI to help you or a script or creating a piece of art, the information it's going to give back, that's what I start to worry. Because imagine if you wrote a note to somebody, but the paper determined what you could actually say in the note.

Yeah, you had limitations. It had to be one way.

Right. The paper wouldn't let you put certain words. You wrote certain words, they disappeared, and they replaced it with another word that the paper felt like was more accurate.

It's arguably what the media is right now, though.

Oh, 100%. That's exactly what the media is. But I think, yeah, I agree. But if AI can do that, then it's like even say your mom wanted to make a post on Facebook or something, they put it up, but it only allows you to even say. Then we're all just only allowed to say the same things.

Look, AI would never be able to take over, say, podcasting or sport and stuff because people watch that because of the personalities and the unknown outcome.

That's a good point. Right?

So we're safe.

Yeah, you would think.

Yeah, we're safe. I think we're safe.

You would think. One of my friends was the other day that he thinks at a certain point, they won't even need actors for movies anymore because it will just be the likeness of people. So people will just give their likeness.

Yeah, that's pretty crazy.

It is crazy. That's what gets me scared. Because what if one day you just get to It home. And then it's just like a- And see how you do at the US Open?

Yeah, that would be crazy. They extract yourself from you, but you just just what... Honestly, I wouldn't mind a fucking day off. I feel you, bro. I actually wouldn't mind that, having that option.

Yeah. You know what? I'm going to put my AI in today and see how he does.

I'm okay if it comes back and it's a loss. I don't care shit. That would be good.

Bro, that would be so good.

Yeah, I'll do it. Autopilot.

Dude, it'd be so nice. But then it sucks, though, for a farmer who's like, I'm going to send my AI to work, and then it's just nothing gets watered. Just no corn. Nick, man, thanks so Thank you so much for hanging out, bro.

Appreciate it, man. It was good.

I appreciate it, dude. I would love to. I got to come see a match, man. 100%, definitely. It's definitely interesting.

I wish I could come to your show tonight. I got a double date with my girlfriend, which I'm really looking forward to. I just want to.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, misses.

I just would love to come.Oh.

That's all right, man.That'd be fun. That's all right, man. That'd be good. We'll get you to another one sometime, man. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, thanks for... Yeah, just thanks, man. It's cool. It makes me care a little bit more about tennis now. It's interesting. You meet somebody and you're like, Oh, I want to learn more about tennis. It's funny sometimes the power of an actual person to introduce somebody to something new.Definitely. It's really real. Your podcast as well?

Yeah, Good Trouble. Season 1, four episodes have come out.Nice. It's good, man. I do it because I'm passionate about learning about others' journey, and it's been pretty good, man. These are the people that I look up to. With me, I got massive imposter syndrome. I'll see you all over social media now. I'm sitting next to you having a conversation. That shit blows my mind. But talking like Gordon Ramsey about his culinary journey. Oh, yeah. Fucking crazy. He was saying some pretty cool stuff, and it's cool.

Yeah, imposter syndrome is so real, isn't it? Yeah, it's nuts.

You got other people saying, Oh, a sign of an insecure person is imposter syndrome. So usually the people that haven't really been there or doing anything. It's surreal that I'm from Canberra and I'm sitting next to There are some crazy stuff.

Well, it's crazy for me that I'm sitting next to somebody who's been at Wimbledon. Did you see Stonehands when you went over there?

No, bro. I was there. I made the final. I had nothing else to do I was there for 20 days, bro. Just playing, eating, sleeping, physiotherapy, massage, sleep.

That's it.

I had maybe went out for dinner a little bit, but my dad was there. I was very lucky. He was cooking, but no time to do anything else.

Dude, Stonehands, go see it if you get a I think it only takes, I don't know how long because I don't know where it is, but you can go there. I remember in school, it was a big deal. Do you remember that? Yeah. Bro, it's just some rocks on the side of the interstate, on the side of the highway. They don't care It's like you just drive by it. Really? Yeah. They made such a big deal about it in the US, but I went there. Yeah, it's just like, I don't know, whatever. Nick, here he goes. Thank you so much, man. Best of luck, man. When are you going to be back at tennis, do you think?

About one month. Really? Back on court. Yeah. Oh, bro. Very soon. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. We're going to get you out there. Yeah, dude.

Where do you live in the States?

Texas, right?

Yeah, sure. I live in Texas. I live in Tennessee. Tennessee. But I've thought about moving down to Texas, man. I think about it sometimes. It's a cool place. Yeah.

Come to New York. Come to the US Open.

Yeah, I would love to, man. I got to go. I've never been.

You'd love it because you actually can have a drink and you don't drink more. You can just be loud.

Who knows? Yeah. Who knows if I'll be drinking by then, but probably not. But if I do, I'll fucking have one right there. 100%. I'll get fucking ridiculous in there.

I'm down.

Oh, yeah. All right, nick. Thanks, man.

Appreciate that, man. All right, cheers, bro. Enjoy. Good luck for tonight.

Yeah. Thank you, man.

Now I'm just floating on the breeze, and I feel I'm falling like these leaves. I must be cornerstone. But when I reach that ground, I'll share this peace of mind I found I can feel it in my bones. But it's going to take.