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From Wundry and Dr. Suez, broadcasting all the way from Mount Crumpet Studios, the cheapest place we could find until we realized we had to add electricity to the cave, Tiz, the Grinch holiday talk show. This week's special guest. You grew up with her on the Disney channel, and now she's the coolest girl in the pool, actress Skye Jackson, and of course, the cuddlest pup in Hooverille, Max the Dog. Now here's your host, he only wakes up on the wrong side of the bed, The Grinch.

If only I could be as happy about doing this as that announcement is, yikes. What vitamins is he taking?

I actually asked him about it earlier, and he said, A, B12, C, D, E, and Zinc.

Ladies and gentlemen, that was not a talking mouse. That's my kid.

Producer who.

Chimes in whenever the heck she wants.

C. L. Dubs, A. K. A. Cindy Lulco. That's me.

You know, the human motion sensor slash burglar alarm who caught me in the act of stealing Christmas. I did do that. And the reason I'm stuck here talking to you and hello and all that.

Up-top stuff. Welcome to Mount Crumpet Studios.

I'm The Grinch and I'm working from home. If you want the full effect, just imagine the smell of old onions being sautéed mixed in with the smell of my dog, Max, who hasn't been bathed since LeBron was on the heat. Now let's get into it. I want to talk to you about something we need to keep our eyes out for as the holidays approach. Something that really ticks me off.

Hold onto your seats, keep on your pants. The Grinch is going on one of his rants.

I'm talking, of course, about people putting goofy outfits on their pets. They didn't ask for that. Just the other day, I saw a cat in a fur-collared sweater and pink sunglasses.

I said, Hey, lady.

Your cat isn't Cardi B. Why are you dressing her like that? And you know what she did?

She screamed, Oh, what are you? Why are you green?

And then threw her empty smoothie cup at me. Stop making your pet look like an idiot. Just because he or she is smaller than you and is cute doesn't mean they want a funny hat and a ski jacket. Don't we humiliate our pets enough as it is? We make them poop on command in public. We constantly tell them to sit. Then we get apopletic when they do so on our furniture. It's a couch. It's comfy. No wonder your pet wants to sit there. That wasn't an invitation, Max, but good point. Thank you. Anyway, pets must get nervous this time of year. The holidays coming on, they know that pretty soon their selfish owners could be wrestling them into a turkey suit. An ugly Christmas sweater or, God forbid, had a pair of reindeer antlers or a goofball Elf costume. Oh, Max, get over it. That was one time. It was for a comic con. Like I was saying, pets aren't props. They don't want to wear dumb outfits. Have you ever considered asking them what they want to wear? Maybe they want to look cool.

Or tough.

Maybe they want to dress up like they're in a motorcycle gang, right? What would you want to wear, Max? Skinny jeans and a deep v-neck T-shirt. What are you trying to do? Get a job at Zara?

Well, I'm.

Sorry I asked. That's not happening, Max. Anyway, pets have fur, and that's enough for now. I'm The Grinch, I also have fur, and I have spoken.

And.

I've lost my place. Where are we in the show?

The advent calendar is next, Mr.

Grinch. Jeez, I forgot you were there and that you have a microphone. Anyway, she's right. It's time to see what's in the next compartment of the Grinch's own advent calendar. Okay, here we go. I'm standing right next to this monstrosity. Never mind the flimsy advent calendars they give out at the bank. This thing is bigger than a CredENza.

I'm not sure that our listeners know what a CredENza is.

Oh, well, they can look it up. Kids, it's C-R-E-D-E-N-Z-A.

Look it up yourself. Now, here we go.

What's today's gift? The old Grinch advent calendar show number three, calendar cubbyhole. Oh, wow! An Apple Watch. Look at that. Hot damn!

Mr. Grinch, I think for clarity's sake we should tell the.

Listeners that-Who the heck is clarity?

I'm just saying, I think we should.

Tell everybodyDaddy. How great this Apple Watch is? I will indeed. It's got the face of an old Timex watch, which is planted inside a hollowed out Honeycrisp Apple. Half eaten by yours truly, by the way. It also comes with a nice adjustable wristband made from some apple skins and a couple of taped together stems. What a gift. It does not get any nicer than this.

Yeah, it actually does. A legal may have a problem with us calling that an Apple Watch.

That's a limited Grinch edition Apple Watch.

This is going to be a.

Big lawsuit. Still a little fruit left on this one. Okay, while Cindy forms an ulcer, I want to clear the air about something. You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch. You really are a heel.

You're as cuddly as a cactus.

You're as charming as an eagle. Mr. Grinch. You're a bad banana with a greasy black pill. Now, coming up soon we got Thanksgiving, which is the holiday celebrating the National Pastime of stuffed your face until you rip your pants. I love it.

Now, my producers asked me, Grinch, what are you thankful for?

And I said, Producers who don't ask me questions like that.

Then they suggested it would be a good.

Topic.

For the.

Show for me to share with my.

Audience what I.

The Grinch, am thankful for. And I thought to myself, Oh, what a perfect chance to do what I do. I'll play ball, make them think I'm going to soften up, deliver some sentimental smults, but what I'll really do is... Wait a minute. Why am I giving away my playbook here? Let's get into it. Here we go. What does the Grinch give thanks for? Oh, all kinds of things. Like, for instance, YouTube videos of people slipping on ice. Should have stayed home, pal. Let me just watch one more. Oh, right into the mailbox.

Special.

Delivery. What else? I'm thankful for excuses. They don't even have to be good ones. The more nonsensical, the better. As long as you deliver it with confidence.

All right, for example, I'm.

Supposed to.

Have lunch with my accountant, Frank, today. Let's just give him a call.

Hey, Grinch. Listen, Frank, I'm sorry I can't come to lunch today. I was walking around my house and I fell in a manhole. There's a.

Manhole in your house?

Yeah, things are crazy. See you later, Frank. See? It made no sense, and I delivered it with haste and confidence. He was totally bewildered, and now I'm free for the day. Masterfully done, Grinch the Great. Frank's calling back. Scrape to voicemail, he goes. Now, what else can I give thanks for? Foot odor. To some that's gross and off-putting, but to me, that's right up there with the finest cheeses of Provence. Tangy with a hint of mold. And it serves the purpose of clearing a room. Right, Cindy? See what I mean?

What else? The Grinch gives thanks for.

Gift receipts. Like the one that came with the most useless gift I ever received. Something called a PS5.

Is it a.

Playstation 5? I still don't know what the heck it was, other than a large paperweight that had to be plugged in for some reason. Now, if I had four of them, I could stuff them under my bed post to prop me up so I can see my very state-of-the-art 12-inch black and white TV. But I don't.

So back to.

The store the useless hunk of junk goes. Hello, store credit.

Catching.

So again, thanks for the receipt. All right, that's enough thanks to give.

What are you thankful for? Boys, girls, moms, dads, and everyone in between?

Hit me up at thegrinch@wondery. Com. Wait a minute, I have an email? I don't want an email, much less one that ends in dot com. Cindy, could it be thegrinch@wondery. Fart? Please, no. How about thegrinch@wondery. Leave me alone. Please, no. No, I got a great one. Thegrinch@wondery. Credanza. Yeah, how about thegrinch@wondery. Don't email me under any.

Circumstances for any reason ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever.

Ever, ever. On that.

Note, Mr. Grinch, just like the last two episodes, your cue cards are waiting right there, and so is tonight's guest. Go ahead and read off that card.

My guest tonight started modeling at nine months old, appeared in her first commercial as a one year old, then her first movie at four years old, and by the age of nine, she was the star of the Disney hit, Jessie, and later a spin-off bunked. Now at age 21, she's a big-time movie star, model, author, and entrepreneur. Is it everybody? Meanwhile, it took a court order for me to host this podcast.

We're very different people.

Please welcome the lovely and talented Skye Jackson. That was a crazy intro I just read for you. Be honest. This can't all be true. It is true. That's too many facts, and they're all.

Crazier than.

The last one.

It's absolutely true, and you did an amazing job reading my intro. I feel like you just have a great voice for it.

You think I have a great voice?

You do. You have an amazing voice.

You have the perfect show business attitude. You're smiling and you're beautiful.

I'm eight, nine months old. You were a model?

Yes.

I mean.

You were literally born for.

This, babe. I was doing different stuff at nine months old. So whether that be an ad for the gap to Target to literally anything that you can think of. And my mom was busting her behind with me on her hip, going to four different auditions a day, walking blocks and blocks, taking the train. My mom is a single mom, so we were just in it together. And I don't know how we did it, but we got it done.

Yeah, that is a lot of work. I can't imagine a lot of moms feeling like doing anything else the rest of the day after wrestling a little kid's pants on. I mean, that takes four or five hours just getting the legs through the legs. It does. Do you get rejected a lot in this business? I mean, you've done commercials and stuff. How do you.

Handle when you don't get something you really wanted?

There's always going to be something down the line that's meant for you. Like now, if something never works out, I'm like, You know what? It just wasn't that for me, and that's okay. My blessing is somewhere near down in the future. Why stress? I'm trying to live in the moment and be happy.

Why stress? Everything is stress. Everything's trash. Christmas is really stressful. I have so much to do around the holidays. I have to watch everybody put everything up, and then I have to draw up a plan to figure out how to take it all down. I mean, it really is a lot, and I can't imagine adding on the busy life of a model slash entrepreneur slash head of state that you have to deal with.

But I think you deserve a spa day. The Grinch just goes to the spa, gets all the treatments, a facial massage. I think you should do that.

I like the one where they stick a bunch of pins in you. You ever do that one? Acupuncture? Well, the one that I do is I go to this guy, Reggie's house, and he sticks a ballpoint pin in me. He just really gets in there with a ballpoint pin.

Does it at.

Least feel good? It does feel good, yeah. I mean, it's cheap.

You know what? If Reggie is doing it for you, then you should. But you just need one day to yourself.

Yeah, I need a spa day. Now does a clap back happen at a spa day? Is that what a clap back is? Does someone clap against your back? Clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, clap, and then you feel better? I mean, it.

Sounds similar, but no. A clapback to me is like putting someone in their place respectfully without cursing them out or anything extremely rude, but just letting them know. Don't do that again. Don't do that.

Yeah. Sort of like how the local government of Whoville made me do a talk show after I stole Christmas.

That was a.

Clapback that really changed a lot for me in my daily schedule.

That was a major clapback.

For them. I'm in a pretty, let's say, famous book. You'd have to be living under a rock to.

Not know about that one.

But you're an author, right? I want to read the whole title here. Reach for the Sky, how to inspire, empower, and clap back. That's right. Like saying something nice about someone and then immediately going, Naught. Have you ever done that?

I haven't yelled.

Naught, but- Can you try it real quick? Can you say something nice about me? And then just go, Naught.

I think you have a great personality. Naught.

This nice, smiling young woman just said something very mean about me. I'm going to post about it on the internet. No, don't do that.

To me. You told me to. But regarding the author thing, it's chill, but it's not chill because it takes a minute to write a book and it's not easy. You have all these thoughts and you're trying to think of something great. Then you're like, Is this too much? But being an author is cool. Just one more thing to add to our resume, which is great.

Yeah. You know what a classic clapback is? A classic.

Clapback is just something that is not too much. So someone comes at you first, just say a little something that might be like, Oh, to them. And then they're going to rethink ever talking to you like that again. And again, it's not disrespectful. It's not cursing. It's just like, Leave me alone. Respectfully.

How about I am going to come at you and then you clap back at me. Okay. Pretend that we're both on the same bus and we've got a bunch of Christmas shopping bags in our hands. You bump into me and I'm having a bad day. I haven't eaten enough. Okay. I had a cookie at 9:00 AM and then nothing until 5:00.

Yeah.

You're on 10. And you nudge into me and I go, Hey, walk much.

Well, how about you go the.

Other.

Way? I see. You see? Yeah. Now, clearly I could have bumped you and it may have been my fault, but you can easily go the other way and mind your business. You know what I'm saying?

And I have this level of respect for you because you've claimed your space.

Right, exactly. I'm here and I'm going to stay here and I'm going to walk this way. So that's what a classic clapback is.

See, I don't think I could do a classy clapback. It always ends up getting really grungy. Do you think there's a way that I could keep it classy, but also keep it grinchy? I want to keep it grinched up, but I want to take it to a classy place.

Okay, so maybe we can start by when you say something, don't yell as much or be as loud.

Don't yell? What's wrong with the tone and volume of my voice? I feel like I have a very appropriate manner of speaking.

Right, but you just want to bring the tone down.

The tone down. Okay, so all right, now you're the cranky one who only had a cookie. Okay. And I bump into you and you say something, and I'm going to come back at you and I'm going to keep it classy, and I'm going to grinch it up. Sir, can you move? Don't you see me here? Excuse me, ma'am. I'm not in the mood for this.

See? Now, I think you could have said that, but just not yell.

All right, let's try it again. Let's try it again.

Okay, maybe Itry it again? Okay, don't yell as much too.

So we'll both try it. Okay, we're just going to both turn the volume. We're just going to turn the heat down a little bit.

Okay. Excuse me, sir. Don't you see me walking here?

Oh, my. You're the best walker I've ever seen. You're such an.

Amazing person.

And you're so blessed and you've blessed me this day. I hope you have a.

Fun holiday and that all your favorite family memories are made this year.

You know what? That was a lot better. As long as you said I tried it and I did it, I think that that's the best right there.

You give things a nice try, and if it works out, you just try it again next time. Right. Exactly. You heard it here first. Skye Jackson gives me permission to steal Christmas once again. No. She said, Go ahead. It's what you were born to do. Just give it another try.

I think you should give Christmas another try, not stealing and ruining it. No.

Give Christmas another try. Yeah, I'm going to do that. You should. Not. You were on The Twin, Sitcoms, Jessie and Bunked. Right. What job did you have on these TV shows? You were in payroll, was it? Were you a teamster? Were you at Crafty? No. Were you handing people little bags of chips and said, Remember to round this out with a banana.

That sounds like a good job, too, but my job, I was on set having to memorize lines, and the lines were constantly changing. And we were working Monday through Friday, probably 10, 12 hours a day.

10, 12 hours a day? You need to learn how to delegate. Here's what you do. When you're working on one of those shows, you go, Bring my double in for the afternoon because I have an acupressure appointment.

Right. So is that something you would do? You would say, You know what? I can't do this today. Let me go get my double.

I have a double that I use for wide shots. Right. And I'm a little busy, and I can't go to all the public appearances that I'm.

Supposed to- Right, you're very famous.

I'm very famous, and so I have a guy named Robert who looks a lot like me, and sometimes it's the opening of a new mall or something, and they need the Grinch tick. I'll have.

Robert go. Okay, so if Robert is doing that for you, are you still getting paid? Because it's technically not you, it's Robert.

I'm still getting paid. Robert is compensated for his time. He gets a turkey sandwich. Now, I smell terrible, but you smell really good. What am I smelling here?

Right now you're smelling this fruity scent. It's my cashareau perfume. I'm wearing the original one.

That's what I'm wearing and they have so many different scents. My other one is more of the peachy scent. I'm going to send you one, and then maybe you can wear it too and you're just going to smell delightful.

You know what? I'll try to spray it on, but I have found in the past, when I add an extra fragrance to what I got going on, it doesn't so much help as confuse the senses, and people start complaining.

Do you not shower? What is the problem?

I do not shower.

Let's maybe try doing a shower once every two weeks, so you could smell good and then go on about your day.

All right, fine. I agree. Before we wrap up, I have to read this. I'm contractually obligated to ask you this next question. Here it goes. Tell me about your fondest Christmas memory.

I have a couple. One is just being with my family. My family is spread all over, so between New York, North Carolina, and China. The night before, we're wrapping presents for all the little cousins. We'll put out cookies and milk and do the all little.

Little stuff. Yeah, cookies, milk, whatever. Yeah, I.

Get it. Right, so we'll do that. And then we wake up bright and early, like 7:00 in the morning, wake the kids up. We all open presents and we talk about Christmas, watch Christmas movies, we cook together. We just do it all. Or if I don't do that, I go on a nice vacation and I'm with my mom and we're celebrating Christmas.

You take your mom? I do. On a nice vacation somewhere she's never been?

Yes.

After.

All she's done for you.

We've been to Thailand. We've been to Jamaica.

Thailand?

Jamaica? Yes. You should come with us.

Next time. You're inviting me out with you and your mom who.

Dropped.

Everything to make your life better?

Yes. Or if that's a little bit too far for you, you can just come with me to North Carolina, and we can be with the family, and we would love to have you. Look, I- And then how about this? To make you feel even better, you can bring your dog so our dogs can have fun together and play.

You're saying that I could come with you and your mom, and you have a dog too. Right. And out of the goodness of your heart, you're just inviting me with you to Thailand. I don't get.

Invited to a lot of stuff. Oh, no.

Okay. All right. And then.

Free food too.

Free food- Now stop saying my heart's already.

Going crazy right now.

I don't know if you know this about me, but my heart is really small, and when.

It grows, it.

Feels crazy. It's okay. Let's just do a one breathe. Slow it down. Breathe. In now.

I know what I'm doing. I'm taking classes. It'll be over soon. It'll be.

Over soon. It'll be okay.

And I'm back.

Okay. It's okay.

It's.

Okay. It's fine. Just know if you want to, we can. And you don't have to pay for anything, and you get a bunch of free food, and you can do whatever you want, and you get to be with me, which is like a bonus.

That sounds really great. That's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me. And then I had a cardiac episode the minute after you offered it to me. So I'm not about to rush headlong into that anytime soon.

How about this? Can I come to your house and we can celebrate Christmas?

Yes, I am inviting you to my house for one reason, and one reason only, and it won't be for a Christmas celebration. It'll be because there's this weird hole that is where the breaker box is for my place, and I haven't been able to get the lights to turn on in the garage for like, ever. And I just need somebody who's a little shorter than me to wriggle in there and flip it back on?

You know what? I don't mind that. I'll come and help you.

That's perfect. It has been lovely talking to you, by the way. Can I just say that.

Right now? It's been amazing talking to you. I feel like you're such a great person, and I hate that people call you mean and that you're just not nice to anyone because I think you're lovely.

Thank you very much. Okay, here's the last question. Okay, I have in my research here that it says that you love Trader Joe's. Yes. Tell me, what's your go to TJ's dessert? Are you a Joe Joe's girl, or are you into the mini-cheeseste cone's? Dish girl, lay it.

On me. I love the chocolate covered strawberries, so I just bought those. Or sometimes I still have the platter with all the different mini-cheesekes, different flavors. I'll do that.

Oh, I want to try that one. And because they're so nice and dainty, you don't realize that you've eaten the equivalent of six full cheesecakes. Exactly. Well, that's good. That's not going to help me lose my punchy little gutney time soon.

I think what will help is how about we go to Trader Joe's and we just walk around and we get something maybe a little bit healthier, and then we walk back to your house. And I think that will help a lot.

Well, mix the shopping with some cardio.

But you know what? The best thing about Trader Joe's, too, is they have free samples.

I love that about Trader Joe's. You would just walk up and you say, Can I try this coffee? Right. And they pour you the coffee and then you go, Actually, I don't think I got enough of the coffee to really make a decision. Can I have another cup? And then you just do that for the next six or seven hours.

You know what? I think that's okay. You're the grinch, so you can do that.

Skye Jackson explicitly endorsing me stealing from Trader Joe and removing Christmas from downtown Hooverville. No, never. In its entirety. No. You hear that, Cindy? She said I could.

No, I didn't. We don't promote stealing.

We don't promote stealing. We promote sensible cardio. Yes. Eating five full cheesecakes. Yes. And clapping back.

Clapping back.

All right. Well, it was lovely to talk to you. Such a nice young woman. Oh, thank you.

Thank you, Skye. Thank you, Grish.

Bye-bye. Bye.

Skye Jackson, everybody. A bit bubbly for my taste. Really a glass-half-full gal. While I'm more of a smash the glass and eat the shards fella. Anyway, Skye Jackson, so charming, wasn't she? Even when she's clapping back. Some would say.

Stealing Christmas is the ultimate clap back.

Clap, clap. Your tree's gone and your tree's gone. Everybody's tree's gone. I feel like Oprah right now. All right. Thank you to Skye, Cindy. You're still here, thanks for whatever you do, pressing buttons, all that, and credit.

You're a found.

One, Mr. Bridge. You're a.

Nasty, wasty, skunk. Your heart is full of unwashed socks. Your soul is full.

Of gunk. Mr. Grinch. The three words that best describe you are as.

Follows, and I quote.

Steak, stank, stank.

I'm a stank.

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Tis the Grinch holiday talk show is a production of Wundery and Dr. Suez enterprises, hosted by James Austin Johnson as The Grinch, with Anjali Khunipanani as Cindy Luhu, that's me, and Anthony Atamanekh as theannouncer. With additional voice acting from Anthony Atamanekh. This episode was written by Dan Cronin, sound design by Jamie Cooper, with additional sound design by Kelly Cromerick, music supervision by Scott Velazcus for Frisian Sync. Our senior producer is Jennifer Klein-Walker. Ayana White is our production assistant. Our managing producer is Sarah Mathis, and our senior managing producer is Calin Plus. Carlos Hernandez is our audio engineer. Audio assistants by Andrew Law and Adrian Topia. Executive producer by Susan Grant at Dr. Suez enterprises. Executive producers are Lauren D, Dave Easton, and Andrew Goldstein, and Marshall Louis for Wundry.