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Hi, everyone, I'm Bernie Brown, and this is unlocking us. In case you don't know this, in addition to being the podcast host for unlikeness, I am also the self-appointed president of the Ted LASO fan club.

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Ted LASO is a show on Apple Plus. And it's one of my favorite joys right now. It's just so fun and big hearted and funny. It's interesting because this is not the first time we've met Coach Ted LASO. We first met Ted Year when he starred in a couple of NBC promos after NBC acquired the television rights to the English Premier Soccer League. So Jason Sudeikis played this kind of wide eyed American college football coach who was hired to be the new manager for a big premier soccer league club.

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And of course, he knew nothing about soccer.

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These promos were so funny, especially if you know just a little bit about soccer, but you still don't, like, understand offsides. They're just funny.

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And both promos were really successful. They went viral. They helped NBC build its audience for the Premier League games. And it introduced us to this guy that we really love.

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So now fast forward, you know, six, seven years later and Ted lassos a new show. The whole first season is now completely out. I had to watch them painfully drip slowly, one at a time like old school. But now episodes one through ten, season one or out. And again, it's just funny and smart and kind and thoughtful and just unapologetically goofy in the best way. And in this episode today on Unlikeliness, I'm going to talk to Jason Sudeikis, who plays the lead.

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He plays Ted LASO. He's also the cocreator writer and executive producer. And I get to talk to Brendan Hunt, who is also a cocreator writer, and he's the actor who plays Coach Beard. It's just a joyful thing for me to get to talk to these funny, smart guys about a show I love. Every time I watch it, I just I'll say I'll quote Ted Lazar right here for you.

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I feel like I fell out of the lucky tree, hit every branch on the way down and ended up in a pool of cash and sour patch kids.

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So for those of you who do not know Jason Sudeikis, he's an actor, comedian, screenwriter and a producer, in the 1990s, he began his career in improv and performed with comedy sports and the second city.

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In 2003, Sudeikis was hired as a writer for Saturday Night Live and starred as a cast member from 2005 to 2013. He has been in a lot of movies that we all know, including horrible bosses.

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We are the Millers and now he plays my much beloved Ted LASO. And again, he's also executive producer and cocreator and writer.

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Brendan Hunt is also an actor and a writer known for roles in the films were the Millers and Horrible Bosses too, as well as voicing two characters in the video game Fallout four after getting his theater degree studied with the second city in Chicago before heading to Amsterdam and joining the Boom Chicago comedy troupe, he again is co creator writer and he plays my very just kind of heartthrob in the weirdest way, my coach beard on Tabasco.

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So very excited to jump into this conversation with Jason and Brendan. All right. Let me just start by saying that this morning I was so excited.

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I've had 500 text from my friends and my family members. And Steve, my husband grabbed me by the shoulders and said, I want you to hear me, Bernie. And I was like, I hate it when you call me by my name. What? And he said, they're not real people. Like, you know, they're Brenden's real and Jason's real. But, you know, Beard and Ted, like, they're those are characters. And I said, I get it.

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I'm a grown woman. Like, I get that. And he's like, what is your concern? And he's like, well, you're wearing a Roy Kent jersey and.

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I'm fearful because you talk to our kids like they're real, like you tell them I need you to Ted LASO up here, like pull a beard right now, just stay quiet and do the right next thing, you know.

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So I have to start. I couldn't decide whether I was going to start by saying.

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Thank you or congratulations, but I'm going to start with gratitude. God, this show means so much to so many people. Do y'all know that I don't run into you, I mean, I know it means a lot to the people that made it.

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I mean, certainly, you know, Twitter suggests that we don't know how many people are actually watching it, but it doesn't it does seem that people who are watching it sure do like it. Yeah, but you mean meaning to that. And that's that's a whole other level. And I'm happy to hear more. Really.

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Are you, like, being humble? Are you bullshitting me or do you really not know.

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It's all anecdotal, you know, like I can only towards some of the, you know, previous work and struggling with people who are critical of you or singing your praises. I know for me personally, having been in the quote unquote spotlight for X amount of years, you kind of like if I'm not going to react to the negative, then how do I react? Yes. To the positive. So so that there's a little bit of me that will always make the excuses of like, oh, we're talking about a thousand people on Twitter, people that are really fired up and it doesn't take anything away.

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But still, you don't can't quite quantify it because also the dirty little secret is that, you know, streaming sites, it's not like Nielsen ratings where we don't know how many people are really watching. You know, they don't they don't give even us that information, much less trades or what have you or agents or managers or any of that stuff. So it's more ignorance than humility.

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So line by line by line for sure. But so Katala, because I have a special on Netflix, like I just just tell people who are watching this, you'll never see that data from the streaming services.

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So but I want to talk more qualitatively as a qualitative researcher, like when I go into when I did just for preparation for this automatic analysis of the comments, I have about 10 million people across all my social media platforms.

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When I look at the comments for Ted LASO because I really shouted it out in a podcast I've written about it, there was one comment that said your TED talk and your books saved my marriage.

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Ted LASO changed my life. Then I'll give you another example, so I'm taking one hundred and fifty top senior leaders through. A leadership training and there most of them are now watching Ted LASO as leadership instructive. Does this surprise you again?

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Yes, because you write a song maybe to get something out of you in and I'm not a songwriter by any means. And Brendan, please chime in here on your perspective, but you don't anticipate anybody dancing to it at a party or at their wedding or anything like that. You don't know. You just sort of have to get it out of you and you want to put it and you want to, like, lay it down and you hope someone walks by and maybe glances at it.

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And that's nice.

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So when I read things like on the comments, like it really has changed my life or I talked to a group of therapist before this call and said, they're all Ted LASO fans. What do you think's going on with this response? They said three things joy, possibility and goodness.

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And so I'm so curious what y'all think about this response. Yeah, I the thing that's fascinating to me is that you you come up with these ideas and myself, Brendan and Joe, twenty fifteen talked about this, this show and then Bill came into the fold in twenty eighteen, I want to say. But some of those are exactly things we talked about in regards and it's all removed from the character. But you don't I just at this point in my life don't expect anybody to when you set something down and you make something for them to respond to it in the exact way you would hoped.

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I mean, I think that's so neat. But there's a lot there was a lot of intentionality there. And it's rooted in a lot of things that I think people have always turn to for those type of things. Someone specifically like John Wooden and his teachings is very much a model for the Ted LASO ethos. Philosophy point of view. Yeah. What do you think?

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It's been interesting that some there's been some talk I've seen of people being like, wow, how we've sort of constructed this character of TED specifically to be this good person in this in this dark world. And there's some truth to that. But there's also in terms of like what's surprising, what the reaction is, we kind of made what we think is a pretty normal guy, like just in like a normal Midwestern terms, like he is certainly to some degree the best of us.

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But he's not he was never thought of as a superhero. These are some folks. Jason in Kansas are like this. And folks that I met in normal Illinois are like this. And it's just interesting that nowadays, yeah, that person seems like more unique and out there than Batman.

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No, you know what I think? I think. This is really interesting, I can just can't turn the researcher in me off because that's just my jam, but go do it and be you. I think it's the fact that he is vulnerable and imperfect and he's not superhuman. And it shows us that kindness is possible in very difficult situations. I mean, as a shame researcher, I can tell you there's a moment and I and I've never done an interview like this around a TV show, so I don't want to give it away because I think I need everybody to watch it so we can talk about it in its entirety later.

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But there is a scene where someone who is dealing with a ton of shame and pain.

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Has done what we all do with shame and pain, for the most part, has has discharged it on someone else, just, you know, and then you've got Ted Laza, who's like a freight train, who just stops the shame and blame thing and leans into forgiveness.

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And have we forgotten, do you think, that that's not superhuman, that that possibility exists in all of us?

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I think we have forgotten that. I think that's a big part of why it was thrilling for us to conceive and then and then execute because it did feel like a modern day aberration. And yet it's rooted in a DNA sociologically like it can seem so trite, but there is such a bright, shining example on such the highest peak in this country and arguably in the world of ignorance and arrogance. And tt's ignorant and curious. And I think curiosity comes from a power of being able to ask questions and truly empathize, like see what someone else is dealing with.

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And there's people much more clever than myself that came up with all those great kind of quote. You never know what battles someone else's is, is dealing with. You know, everybody's life is a comedy, a tragedy and a drama. I think it was Mark Twain. And I just think Ted and our intention was for him to embody those things, but to do it in a sincere and genuine way. But, yeah, I, I think we have forgotten a little bit and it breaks down the discourse and the opportunity for dialogue and loving someone for who they are versus hating them for what they're not.

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Oh God. Yeah. So I have to ask. So y'all spent a big ol chunk of time in Amsterdam together earlier in your careers, is that correct? Yes.

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But I mean, Brendan, the most. How many years Brendan. You were there. Five was my main chunk and then I piecemealed a couple more afterwards because I just couldn't let go. Yeah. And then. And then Joe is there for how long, Joe. Two and a half or three. Yeah. And then I was there for like five, four or five months straight and then but off and on for a year because I was, I was dating a gal who was there so I would go visit but I knew everybody there and we were working at a sketch improv theatre there called Boom Chicago.

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We were just going over there as an American tourist. We're adding to the to the vibe of the city and in a positive way was my take away.

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What was your take away, Brendan? Because I'm so curious about how this informed some of the tension that's in Ted LASO about being American in Europe.

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Well, there's some specific language of yours that resonated with me, because when I was in a very dark place, basically, I'd get to the oversharing part like life or the life of like verbal child abuse. My mom was alcoholic. My dad was a Vietnam vet. They got divorced when I was two. I got married way too young. And then I got divorced and like, I was just kind of a mess. And then I got this opportunity to go to Amsterdam and Amsterdam.

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The reigning philosophy of life is called Uzelac Hyde. You know, they want things to be Cassilis and to be Cassella is a meaning with a lot of a word, a lot of meanings. It can mean like comfortable like the lighting here is really cassella. But it also can just mean like like, oh, let's not be a bummer to each other because that would be uncivilly if there was a thing you are worried about. But you can't change that thing by worrying about it, then why worry about that thing that will ruin your day that would be unsettling and lonely around and saying I was defined by shame and guilt.

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And this is a society built to completely abandon shame and guilt because they have they have seen that there's not much point in that. And that was why I stayed so long, because that was a message of phenomenal value. And yeah, that's what changed me, because shame and guilt and, you know, at least for a Chicago kid of Catholics, that that's America to me at the time. And so it was it was cool to see a different option.

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Those are the patriotic emotions for sure over here. Those are them. And it's really interesting, too, because we do research on what denomination and all the Catholics are like. We're number one and the Southern Baptists are like, hard roll them. They're like, oh, no, sir. Southern Baptists, No one. It turns out that we're all kind of jacked up on it across the board. But so say that word again. I'll never say that.

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I'll never be able to say that.

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Uzelac g e e l l i g. It's the same as in like puts the puts by back.

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OK, yeah I see some of that vibe and Tad LASO.

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Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And you know for, for words. Words that tell us oh yes I play him, he is, he is a guy on the show. But it's also the thing we talk about, it's like it's a vibe like Ted lassos like Tel Aviv, you know what I mean. So, so it always gets a little tricky for me when talking about it because it feels like I'm almost in the third person. But I mean, it it sprinkles down every character.

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I mean, like but the opening titles that the company that that came up with those the idea of Ted sitting in a chair and then, you know, changing, changing the environment around him, it's it's you know, Ted is more of a white rabbit than a white knight. He sort of leads you to the thing leads. For example, almost like Michael Landon and I would even like and touched by an angel where just like I always love the characters that I grew up with, like in the 80s, you know, Bill Murray doesn't have an arc in Ghostbusters.

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It's like the city of New York City believes in ghosts around him, like Axel Foley doesn't change in Beverly Hills Cop. It's like the city of Beverly Hills and the police department changes around him. And that was like a an archetype that I just thought was interesting, that if you had your protagonist as a person who who who does change but but externally, more than than internally, at least for this season. And I feel that one of the big influences of Amsterdam and again, because there are issues and on the side of shame and whatnot, and one of the two largest example that are two of the biggest cliches that there is like legal marijuana and legal prostitution, which, you know, they've accepted as just part of their culture.

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And so that being said, doing mushrooms over there when I was there, having never done drugs in my life, was was legally, very legally very legal, OK. But when you look at like Michael Pollan's work in his recent book, How to Change Your Mind and How and how psilocybin and hallucinogens are being used to treat people with PTSD and depression, anxiety and whatnot. And that book had just come out when we started writing the pilot for this, and I realized that, oh, Ted is in the scholastic way like mushrooms.

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He is egoless. He does allow for people to be themselves and reflect what they think he is, but really what they are. Even as simply as Trencrom character, the critic he thinks Ted is this. He thinks he's a dumb American and Ted doesn't try to persuade him. He just knows just keep marginal on slow and steady wins the race. He's felt that way before, as he as I say, in Episode one away within the darts game, that he's familiar with that conceit, but he doesn't allow himself to be changed by it and try to prove other people wrong.

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He just knows. That's right. The time. And I believe that that is rooted in the experience of living in Amsterdam and just accepting the world for what it is. And then the other half of losing ego is you're no longer just your own thing. You are connected to everything. You see the you see the the the matrix in terms of a latticework of everything. And yet that's that's Ted's standard default position. And majority of time I've improvised in my life, especially when doing in front of a crowd.

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I've been I've been sober, but I wouldn't be able to tell you the difference between being sober and sober. I guess when when you're in that zone, I mean, athletes talk about being in the zone and it's just you can just feel it. I know that happens when you go on a trip with your family or when you go on a road trip with your friends, you can get into that zone where your finishing each other's sentences, your banter just becomes second nature.

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And you're just it's again, it's a vibe. And it was greatly appreciate that, like Michael Pollan's book came at that time, because I think when you're when you're making something, you're taking all things. And, you know, I think maybe the story might be apocryphal. But, you know, a lot of us know Simon and Garfunkel because of of The Graduate. And that's, you know, Michael Mike Nichols, the director of that movie, didn't know Simon Garfunkel when he was thinking of directing a movie.

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And I think it was like his brother was playing the album while he was making it in the other room. And he's like, what is this? And it's like, this is great. This is perfect. And it's like because his heart and his mind and his soul was open to all the things around him. It allowed everything that he was doing to be filtered through this. This idea of this film is gradually the characters.

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I think that's. Yeah, and I think that like the story about The Graduate. So, Brendan, I think this goes back to what you were saying, too, about the interconnectedness of all things like in a five minute period of one episode.

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You make. Fifty connections that are so deeply human, I think there's something really important here and I'll never get to it and I'll nerd out on it later after we hang up and I'll be down it.

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So in a voice, not right now.

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There is something about like even I'm like a totally sober person. I think of 25 years at this point, 24 years.

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And so I don't I but I know the zone like I know the zone. Like I was in the zone this morning. I was playing tennis like some days I saw and I don't play any better when I'm in the zone, but I'm just like directly connected with something bigger.

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Y'all connect these things like semantic satiation, like where did that joke come from? Whose idea was this?

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I don't know what a deal was, persay, but I think it came directly from the knowledge that that scene was going to use the Allen Iverson practice speech. So we're sort of setting up that notion of where there's going to be a word that's going to get said. It's going to be said so many times that it's going to change that meeting or it's going to lose that meaning. And so, yeah, we sort of retrofitted putting that definition earlier into the episode.

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I mean, like, so human.

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Yeah, that was always been a favorite phrase of mine. Semantics association is one hundred percent a real thing. And it's it's like that. And trichotillomania, which is like intrastate acrophobia, the fear of 13. There are certain like phrases that I remember from whatever 18, 19, 20 and semantic association was one of them.

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So it's just so smart. And the number of connections like I've seen every episode three times.

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Oh, Binay. Because. No, no, no, no, no. It's true because because you know what? There's a definition of creativity that I love that I use in my own work, which is to connect the seemingly uncollectible. Yeah. And I'll do that every five seconds on the show so you cannot get it the first time. And so when you are talking about semantics, I was like, yeah, I have that problem so much with NMO, the word mo like mow the lawn is mo mo.

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That's not a real word Mo. And then I can also have it when I'm writing with the and I'm like the, the, the but like just I don't know, the writing is so impeccable.

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So let me ask this question to too about it. So I want to keep going. Yeah. Who are y'all in charge of the music.

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Yeah. I mean yes to a degree. I mean again it's a team, I mean I'll, I'll take clean for like being the final tube I guess like, you know, sort of the final journey. But depending on what song I can tell you where it came from or whose idea was at least to the best of my knowledge.

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OK, I'm going to ask then, OK, so I'm a Liverpool fan and have been for years and so like on my bucket list, like number three is a Liverpool game at Anfield.

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So I had never heard You Will Never Walk Alone by Marcus Mumford.

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You didn't exist. Yeah, that was that was OK. So that's OK. So that song is from Carousel. You might as well as you go through the show, I would say exist in the feminine space. I don't define feminine, masculine between the male and female forms or any variation in between in these modern times. And I believe that in doing so, what I what I'm very proud of the show is how much Ted and everybody in the show knows musicals, because that's that's often thought as a female thing.

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It's like it is like a feminist act.

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And and and yet it is it is the way that I, I personally was raised. You know, Brennan is is a theatre, not Bill Lawrence can sing all of Lamees in French. We have we have men and women that that totally love and care about that. So Asho a song that's from Carousel that's been rebranded or co-opted to have a negative connotation, but it was by Liverpool that was something that I was made aware of by our good friend Brendan on here.

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And so and it was during the pacemaker's did the original one. And so that was the comp that I was using. But then being friends with Marcus and I could speak separately about why I wanted Markus to do the soundtrack and why I think he actually end up doing and the score.

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I mean, him and our friend Tom. I just heard him singing that song, and so I asked him if he would do that because I knew I knew what I wanted, the feel of the final moments of the show, and I knew it was too good to be to that song. And there's lots of lovely versions of Elvis Sinatra singing that song. Barbra Streisand. You pick any of the greats, but Marcus is from the ground up with this show.

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He loved the commercials that the character is rooted in. And so, yeah, it was literally just trying to do the Mike Nichols thing or another one of my other favorite things is the Quincy Jones quote. I don't if you if you and your listeners have ever seen the documentary about him that his daughter Rashida made it to, I believe it's on Netflix still. Yeah, but it's incredible. And it goes through different parts of his life. But he talks about when you're making something that you want to get like seventy five percent of the way there and leave room for the magic.

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So if I had this picture in my head and survive in my head the other day when he said that I just saw recently was like, you got to get it to where it's supposed to be, but leave space for God to walk into the room, which I think is lovely to some people. You're the God word to make it feel rejected in the same way people will reject sports outright. But like for me, it works as a metaphor regardless.

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And so if I had this idea in my head, then I got to stay open to Brendan's suggestions, Marcus's voice and just the vibe going on that we want to go on, but the one that's actually going on. And then you try to find what you say, Brendan, about things like. Yeah, yeah. Because I often define the job of being creative as making the invisible visible. And so it's that's that's the neat thing that great storytellers do for for themselves first and foremost, but then also for the people.

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Do you remember anything different about the or separate from that picking of that song? I think we certainly knew by the time we were filming it that we were going to put that there because we at least constructed some shots around putting that song in. But at that point, we were thinking exclusively of the Gerry the Pacemakers because that is the one that launched the song into the football sphere. And football is also, of course, spherical. But then, yeah, Markus's trumped it like I remember one day and I'm sitting around and then you're like, hey, you've got to hear this.

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And it was you know, it was a wave file of Marcus just singing You'll Never Walk Alone in a studio. I was like, oh yeah, yeah, we're going to we're going to be doing that. Instead I it to Joe. And I was like, hey, I have a couple of margaritas put on your headphones, chill out and just and just listen to this three times in a row. And again, it's when I heard it the first time.

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I mean, it's the neatest thing that is the closest I ever feel to like Quincy Jones or Jimmy Iovine, where I'm like I'm like, hey, you know, Springsteen, you don't sing that song, have this person sing that song. It felt like that great moment where someone on American Idol just picks the perfect song and elevates it in a way that, yes, still gives me goose bumps to even talk about.

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Oh, God, I just stop it. I had to put you on hold. I had to put the whole show on hold just to pull myself together now like it is.

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And it transcended which that song never transcends football for me because I'm a Liverpool fan, obviously, but it transcended football.

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Like I thought this would be my funeral song with a slide show like duty, you know, but I was like because I'm like, I'm weird that way, OK? Season two. All right, first, let me just get to the nuts and bolts of this, is that going to be in the next few weeks that we're going be able to watch that you? No, we're writing it.

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We've been writing it for the past couple a couple of months. We don't we don't film until it'll be the same timetable as next year. It'll be it'll come out August.

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Yeah.

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So you're going to see Cook America, you to see the crushed look on his face here, which is sad for her, but it's very encouraging and heartening for our work. So thank you for that.

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Really. Like really it's going to be a year. It is. Yeah. Well I mean less than a year now. Right.

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OK, so there are so many potential directions with season two that are fraught with tension and vulnerability. There's so many things that we need to unpack here with our friends. Can you tell us anything about can we expect the same set of actors?

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Can we are we going to get like there's so much work that needs to be done here?

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Yeah, there's the actors. Are production designers even asking or we haven't the same sets. Yes. I mean, we're a little cautious, precious space working for a company like Apple of giving too much away. But it also for us because yeah, again, in this day and age of building, I mean, I think you're on the same page, but like Bill Lawrence and I were could argue 50 50. Do we want this to all be dropped at one time or the norm these days, like all 10 episodes at once, or do we want to space it out?

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I was concerned about maybe the noise of of the world going on, swallowing up this little pearl. We were hoping to drop into this mighty ocean of of, you know, public discourse. And I I kind of love that we that we went the way of spreading it out because the story was told to give you emotional and narrative cliffhangers. And so that definitely occurs over over this break to where when we drop in on this, you got to play catch up for maybe the first half of the first episode or whatnot that a lot of that all those little knobs are still being twiddled and figured out here.

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But yeah, the cast is you know, that doesn't that doesn't Tanvir don't all of a sudden go teach gymnastics in Romania or something like that.

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I so I'm going to be so worried about all of my friends over there until I know what they're doing. Like, I just really I need beer to get in some therapy, you know. And so because he just like he just can't keep putting the chairs and stuff in front of the girls.

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And I need Ted Ted, like, I really, you know, my whole life, my whole friend group, just for what it's worth, you know, we just we need we need some ten sassy action.

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We need Sam like we need. Yeah, we need some ten sassy and but I will tell you, Royte cannot underestimate the gravity and the grief with this transition out of football.

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And so like and he's very important to everybody I know.

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Because he is he's full of fury and rage like all of us, but then he's got Phoebe who he kisses and hold hands with. So I'll trust you to take good care of my people during the second season.

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But we certainly will. And we we love them, too. Yeah, it works out. I will say that in regards to the second season, and this isn't me being overly convenient, but, you know, part of the reason that we flip as a as a as a text chain is as a writer's Zoome room. When you tweeted about the show initially, was that your name and your work had been bandied about in our first, I don't know, two the first two weeks of the writer's room.

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And I, I, I believe unless I'm wrong, Brendan, tell me I'm wrong, but I believe it was Brett Goldstein who brought it up, who is the fellow who plays Roy Kent. He also was a writer on the show. So talk about, you know, some synchronicity there.

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And yeah, I guess I guess I what I need to hear is that you came you knocked on our door and we opened it and then we peeked around and we invited you into our hearts.

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And now it's so important that we all know that now we go own these characters because we love them so much, which is I mean, that.

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Isn't that the dream of a writer? Yeah.

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I mean, I think it's one part getting it out of you because you have to get it out of you that you're not making anything that's inconsequential, whether it be. And I can only speak for myself and through myself that it's like that's I just want to do anything that I don't care about. Oh, yeah. Otherwise if I'm not connected to to the work I'm doing, then then I think that's when you're an actual honest to goodness sellout. I don't think it's when you're doing stuff for dough or for a company or something like that.

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I kind of want to connect these last two things real quick. I'm just sort of realized something about the fact that we passed it out every week and I'm glad we did, too. And maybe that's some part of the connection that you're feeling with that build up. But the people who were with us from the beginning and and and had that tension every week, what's going to happen? They're the only ones we're going to have that tension from now on, because from now on, everyone will will tear through it, which hopefully will be as good an experience.

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But there's kind of going to be a club of people who not just got to it early, but experienced the show differently than anyone who watches it from now on will do.

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I definitely thought y'all sucks for dropping them one at a time. Just to be honest, just in the beginning I was like, man, yeah. Oh, no. I was like, this is just bull shit.

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But then I got into it and I was like, OK, I kind of understand. I bet it was an intentional decision because everything about the show feels so super intentional.

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On the creative side, it was that was Apple's idea. And they, again, numbers that we don't know. But I'm super nervous. Just because you're killing people, I don't know if people will stick with us. And and that was true humility through just fear, like the actual, I think, you know, decent kind of humility, not not fake humility, but like words like, I don't know if just so many choices up and so many things.

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What if people don't care about know? I mean, you know, you're going to get the people that are going to care from jump. But but what what I think it did, Bernie, was it did allow it to sit and sit in people's psyches.

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And because of the quarantine, I would even argue that it didn't even allow for it to be merely water cooler banter of like ten minutes that they kept. There was a true like the water cooler became, you know, the city or the country. And that ripple effect continued on. And I think getting to sit with a show, even a silly fish out of water comedy, if you give it space, you've got to leave room for that magic.

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And that magic is just as much what we're doing on the writing side, or the actors are doing the acting side, but also on the viewer side to allow them to put themselves in it. And so you're only getting 30 minutes, but then you have six more days and twenty three hours and thirty minutes to think about it and talk about it and live it. I mean, from a business perspective, get the word of mouth out there and turn other people on to it.

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And you have the sense of discovery that I think is still one of the most powerful things with television and music. You know, when you hear a band for sure, man in a small club before you get to the club, it's like that's yours. That's forever yours. I would encourage people, you know, to maybe try to watch them one at a time. And there is and we did write it with with that intention on that. You're speaking of and I'm so glad you sniff that out is I think it does.

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Warren, as a guy that edited a lot of it, I've seen these episodes over and over and I'm not crazy about watching myself, but I love watching the show because of it. We're getting to see everybody else. And there are things that are set up and in the pilot that pay off in the finale and those things through repeated viewings over maybe the next nine months, ten months, will will hopefully elicit more more that by that by permeating throughout the throughout the universe, you know.

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Yeah, I think that. I mean, I think one of the things that did to I was just thinking again from a research perspective is it took away a lot of the bingeing is also numbing.

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So when you have it a little bit at a time, it's not an it's not a great numbing tool. It's a you have to pay attention to it. And and the other thing that a lot of people are saying is that it's one of the very few shows that I have a 15 year old and a 21 year old. And when she came home from college a couple of weekends ago, Charlie was like, we need to what we do Friday night, we order dinner out and we watched her lasso me and mom and dad, you have to watch it with us.

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And she's like, I haven't seen any of it yet. And it's all mom talks about. Jesus, is that, you know, do I need. And so we we binged at that night, the four of us, for five and a half hours over Indian food. And then I think we just I think we even, like, were eating cake or something because it was so long. But it when it was done, she just said.

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Nothing else makes you feel like this, like nothing else makes you feel like this, and so, like, not only does it make you think it just catches you on that three legged stool of AFACT, an emotion, cognition and thinking and then behavior, it's just there's something really important about it that is and I get it to show and I get it's a fun comedy and I get it's a workplace comedy and.

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But I'm grateful, I guess I'll just before we go into the Rapid Fire, I'll go into I'm just grateful, grateful to get to make it. And people respond to that. And I think one of my true, true joys of it is how much we hear about people watching it with their families. And again, I was you know, my dad took me to see Beverly Hills Cop when I was nine years old. And there's language in there.

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And that's Eddie Murphy at its height. And and, you know, language are symbols. And we understand the intent. And there does get to be, you know, with Roy, the F word, you know, some semantic satiation where it's like you lose the thread a little bit, as he usually does when you use those words. And but yet the fact that families are watching it together is cool. Incredible. I mean, it's so it's so neat because those are some of the best experiences that I longed for and love about growing up with my folks as they took me to see the mom, took me to see Broadway.

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Dad wouldn't want to go see, you know, die hard and those cards and things like that. And Chevy Chase being the sort of that is, you know, to me and my sisters are. All right.

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You ready for the rapid fire questions? OK, so I'm going to start with Brenda Girardi, because you're in the top of my Brady Bunch resume screen. OK, fill in the blank and we're going to move at a pace. No thinking ahead. No cheating. He's cheating, OK? No one fill in the blank. Brendan Vulnerability is essential. Jason Vulnerability is powerful to Brendan.

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You're called to be really brave, but the fear is real. It's right there in your throat. What's the very first thing you do? Continue being brave, Jason.

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First thing you do, take a deep breath and think of my family.

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Hmm.

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Brendan, something people get wrong about you that I am not allergic to cats.

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Jason, some of them think you will get it wrong about you, that I was in a fraternity or maybe that I would that I would be OK.

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No, for Brendan, last show you binged loved, I made Australia OK. Jason Search Party had seen it. Yeah. So search parties. Search parties. Great. Yeah, it's on HBO. Yeah.

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OK, favorite movie that you would not pass up if it was on the Blues Brothers.

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OK, Pulp Pulp Fiction.

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OK, bring in a concert you'll never forget. I said my head was a Robbie Williams in Las Vegas.

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Awesome.

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OK, Jason concert you'll never forget.

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Watch the Throne tour at Madison Square Garden with Jay-Z and Kanye West.

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OK, favorite meal Brendan. A deep dish Chicago pizza. If I haven't had it in like a year because I can only have the Chicago pizza like once a year at this point it destroys my body and I love it.

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Yeah, I get that Jason favorite meal.

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I mean, it would be a fun Kansas City barbecue with a whole bunch of friends. I can't be too specific about which place because they're all good and you know, I get ripped to shreds. Yeah, you should not do that for sure. I got pulled pork.

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Old Jason, I'll tell you this one story about Kansas City. So I'm a big fan. I'm just a big sports fan. If it has a ball, I'm for it.

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Worst football experience of my life, like nineteen ninety, maybe Chiefs versus Raiders.

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I was in Kansas City for that thing is like a bar street fight in the hell hole of Texas. That game there's people hate each other.

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The Raiders and she fans you have sold out but the stadiums empty because it's negative like five degrees and sleeting. I was wearing a trash bag and when I went to the bathroom, I couldn't move my fingers.

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So I had to ask a stranger to unzip my jeans because I was frozen like this. And so that's what I think we need. I think Kansas City and I think a sports I just think of that's coldest I've ever been, OK?

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I think of the kindness of people willing to unzip people's jeans for them, you know what I mean? That is that is very Midwest. Yeah. That is really about. Yeah, yes. I actually my hand was like frozen because I still smoked and drank back then. My hand was like frozen in cigarette form. What's on your nightstand, Brendan.

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A book that my baby mama's mama got me called Dude, you're going to have a baby, which breaks it all down into real caveman terms for my dumbhead.

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God, big, big, huge congratulations. When are you. I'll do. Thank you. We're due in January, right about the time we'll be in London. Shooting is going to work out great.

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It's going to be great. It's going to be amazing either way. Congratulations.

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Thank you. I'm excited. Baby is going to cry in an accent. It's going to be adorable. Yeah. What's on your nightstand, Jason?

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Several books. A book that I'm thinking of. The biggest one. There is a book about gambling card sleights by a fellow named Steve 40. I like magic. And yeah. So it's it's it's it's a whole big old tome. There's two volumes of it, but it's the first ones up here. Yeah. Yeah. Gambling sleight of hand. Volume two. You gave us a little bit of that and Ted LASO. OK, what's a snapshot of an ordinary moment, a really ordinary moment in your life that brings you real joy?

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I have two hobbies that most people in my cohort do not. One is that I play an obscure German card game called Stop at a reasonably high level. And I'm also hula Hooper. So sometimes in my most meditative state, I will be up here, hula hooping, balaam, hula hooping. I'm on my iPad playing Scott against people in Germany who don't know that the guy they're playing is a American. And B, I think it was possible to love you more.

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And I do.

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OK, so you have no idea. You have no idea of the weirdness just begins. OK, snapshot of an ordinary moment in your life, chasing one as of late.

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And it's been because partly the haunting, but then also just, you know, his age. But playing video games with OTUS has been a great joy because, you know, my dad grew up with, like, pinball. You know, they didn't have I I'm I'm the age where I've had a Atari. I've had a controller my and my whole life. And now that Otis is getting into it and all in moderation. But when we play, we play.

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We've been playing soccer together and him learning the sport that way and both how to deal with winning and losing because he's kind of you know, he's a shitty loser right now. It kind of bums me out and I just need him to not give up on things. And so seeing him when he makes a great pass and like, look at you, you're sitting next to each other on the couch and looking over at him when this little smile comes across his face because, you know, he's not at school, he's not playing, you know, he's not doing dancing Pams with his friends.

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So the importance of ensemble work and team mentality is something that that's forged the person that I am. I know that, you know, that's a great way to sort of simulated right now. But seeing the look on his face when he makes a great play and understands something is really, really amazing as a warm fuzzy.

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It's a warm fuzzy for sure. OK, last question, Brendan. Tell me one thing you're deeply grateful for right now.

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I'm grateful for the child that we're about to have a lot of a lot of work getting there for years of science. And finally, kind of we're we're we're very grateful.

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It's amazing. Again, congratulations. Thank you. Jason, one thing you're really grateful for right now. Yeah.

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My friends and family, you know, the family is the family that I was lucky enough to be born into and the one that I've been smart enough to choose to have around me. That starts with Olivia, my partner, and all the amazing people she's brought into my life to. And, yeah, you know, present company excluded. She has great taste. OK, last question.

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This is this was so interesting for me, again, as a researcher and I mean to like do a deep dive on the inner sanctum of your souls. But the five songs you can't live without Brendin what I'd say parts one and two by Ray Charles. Don't you worry. Don't you worry about a thing to the great Stevie Wonder because I love you, Lizzo. Always great poisoned Rose. Elvis Costello, one of my favorites. And Hey Jude by The Beatles, because you have exactly one tattoo and it's a Haiji tattooed in one sentence.

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What are these five songs tell me about you that I care about everyone getting out of whatever dark time they might be in at a given time and the trusting, trusting that every storm passes and it's going to be OK. Beautiful.

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OK, thank you, Jason. If I Ain't Got You by Alicia Keys, small town by John Mellencamp. So Midwestern, I can just take it from here.

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Easy Lover by Phil Collins and Bailey. What's it all about?

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OK, easy lover. It's so good. It's it's. Yeah, yeah.

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It was a very good year by Frank Sinatra and great song High Rollers by Iced Tea.

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What in the wide, wide world of sports do these five songs say about you personally?

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It makes me think it was like that.

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The guy that used to travel with a lot of CDs in his duffle bag, like just lugging around a separate, like rolly bag just for the good goodness, the iPod, basically knowing why I chose each one of those. It has a lot to do with what I think it would tell about you. That's it. Or at least it does to me when hearing those all back like that, is that I am that I am I am a product of I'm forged by the people and situations I was lucky enough to be born into.

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Each one of those is about something else happening to me or me being around something or someone else's influence. How something gave me perspective. On a different situation or world, but, yeah, I think it's the main thing, that's what I get away from it.

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It's just funny to think about it as a group of five of the individual, but as a body of work, it's my I'm going to make you each have a little mini mix tapes with your faces on and they'll be really cute. OK, thank you. This was so fun and I'm so grateful. I know y'all are writing taking care of my people that all belong to the Richmond Football Club and I'm just thanks for taking the time and talking to me about it.

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It was really important and great.

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Oh, this was this was a blast. I mean, we're so truly flattered that you wanted to on the tube again and using your platform to shine a light on our group of merry pranksters. It's really it's really been amazing. And thank you for being so thoughtful and kind to the to the characters as well. So so, you know, they say be the change you wanted to see in the world. And I think our group is trying to write the change.

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All right, I just want to say thank you all to listening to sharing this conversation, sharing this kind of joyful experience and moment with me, obviously, it goes without saying that if you have not watched the show, each episode is about 30 minutes. All 10 are now available. You can watch them on Apple Plus. And if you want to, I think it's always so fun when shows have their own social media handles, although it's not good for me because I have a hard time separating reality from TVs and movies that I really like.

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But you can follow Coach LASO on Twitter at Tedlow so you can follow Coach Beard at the Coach Beard and you can also follow AFG Richmond, which is not really a premier football club at AFC Richmond. There's also an official Ted LASO soundtrack on Spotify. I'll link to it from the episode show page. I'll give you all these links so you can find out about all of these things on Briney Brown dot com. When you get to the website, just look at the top and go to unlocking this podcast and you'll find this episode and you'll find all kinds of great links to things that you need to find.

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If you want to follow. Jason, he's just Jason Sudeikis and Brendan is Brendan Hunting HQ in TNG. All right. That is it for today. Thank you so much for listening again. Please, if you're in the United States, figure out a voting. Plan to really dig into it and be prepared, don't wait till it's too late.

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There are a lot of weird hurdles this time around. Yeah, and then don't forget, October 19th, dare to lead podcast's launching exclusively on Spotify, so unlocking this is a Spotify original from podcast. It was produced by Max Cutler, Kristen Azevêdo and Carly Madden. And by Caden's 13 Sound Design is by Kristen Acevedo. Thank you. Awkward, brave and kind. Take care.