Episode 14 – The Zack Tapes
Zack to the Future- 1,184 views
- 4 Nov 2020
On today’s show, Mark-Paul and Dashiell discuss the episode where Zack’s plot to use subliminal messages goes awry.
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Welcome back to The Future, I'm your co-host, Daniel Driscol, joined today by none other than the blond Tom Cruise. Mark Paul Goslar. Hello, Mark. Paul. Hello, Daniel. Wow, what an introduction that was. Thank you. You know, I'm really working on it every week. I, I have seven whole days. So as soon as this is done, I will begin working on next week's. You know, we've got quite an episode today, Paul.
It's this was referenced in the quiz from the first episode of the podcast all the way back when when I asked you to complete the line. Zach Morris is the blond blank and you knew it.
Yeah, I did. But I have a question for you is what makes this an iconic episode? Because it's funny, I I just watched this this morning for the very first time. And when we spoke about this episode last week, prior to me watching it, you said, oh, well, it's an iconic episode. Why that label for this episode?
Yeah, that's a that's a good question. I found myself asking myself watching it, like, why did I jump to it? I think one of the reasons is just it kind of does so many of the saved by the bell things. It works on this like, oh, there's a dance at school, but there's also almost like a quasi not quite supernatural, like comic book, like brainwashing kind of thing. And there's now quite a fantasy, but there's it like it it does all these like Highton say by the bell things, cartoony visuals.
And it's it's just kind of like the full package of especially the first season of Saved by the Bell. And it advances the Zack and Kelly plot to an extent, which is kind of the main, I think only real real story that follows through the whole time.
So well, I wouldn't call it an advancement. And we'll get to that as we as we watch this this episode together. But I, I, I really did not see an advancement between Zack and Kelly. You know, they'd say two steps forward, one step back.
I was just thinking, yeah, I think it's one step forward, two steps back. Listen, is the glass half full or half empty? I don't know. But how dare one of those versions is stepping forward more than you're stepping backwards? It's fine. We'll look, we've got so many more. Depends on how you look at life. I'm not sure it does on the steps.
The glass. Sure. But yeah. So your was your viewing. When would you say it? It fit the iconic. Where was that too much hype. Did I did I build this up too much. It's not iconic and you're you built it up too much. You built it up too much. I really enjoyed this episode. I thought it was a lot of fun. But I you know, this wasn't one of those that I thought, oh, my God, I'll remember this one forever.
Yeah, I don't know. Maybe I, I in some ways I guess we can we can get into it when we do. But it felt almost like a sister episode to fatal distraction in some ways just because it kind of flipped the whole dance thing. There'll be a lot of dances at Bayside Mall. Spoiler alert, you will be attending many dances by the time this this podcast is done. Well, sorry for building it up too much, but I'm glad you still enjoyed it.
But listen, it may it may be built up for some of our one fan out there. They may write us on Twitter and tell us how much they enjoy this and how meaningful this episode was. But for me, I was questioning your label as being iconic. Yeah, OK, that's fair. While I was watching this and I just wanted to let you know.
And yet you knew the blonde Tom Cruise thing. So you like the episode. First of all, thank you for letting me know. But like the episode is like had like a big cultural like like the blond Tom Cruise thing had reached your shores, even though you have not seen the show ever. So in some you know, clearly it's a foubert about this. It's a fan favorite. Does that work for you? OK, now that works. And you are and you are the fan.
I'm the fan. Yeah. It's one of my favorites as as a fan, you know, there's lots of talk about Dashiell, so let's just get into what we can actually we can actually discuss it.
I'm itching to get into it. So the summary, just in case you didn't watch, here it is. It's the guy's turn to ask the girls to a dance. Kellie's undecided between Slater and Zac screeches unsuccessfully pursuing Lisa and Everyone's Loving the new song by Beau Revere. After learning about subliminal messages in class, Zach plants messages in a Beach Boys tape for Belding to get him off the hook for a parent conference that would ground him for the dance. It worked so well.
Zach and Screech put subliminal messages on a bunch of Bull Revere tapes belonging to the girls at Bayside to guide them towards a dance state. It works until the girls catch on to teach Zach a lesson. They pretend to play the subliminal recording over the school P.A. producing a mob of zombie lovers for Zach, making him confess in buildings office. And that's Zach Tapes. And just like that, we are in Act one. It's the halls of Bayside, and you get your banner there in the hall to let everyone know it's it's yet another dance.
Look at that, the sweetheart dance. So, Marcal, what are your thoughts on your hair as we begin this? Because I'm sure you have some.
Yeah, this was in the deviser phase, as I like to call it, where there's a lot of things happening up front, almost like a cotton candy sponge woven thing. I really don't know.
I mean, I must not have had any close friends, no close friends in the hair and makeup department.
No one has given me any sort of constructive criticism at this point. They were just letting me to my own devices. There's a lot of product to my hair, a lot of product and all three of your hair.
As we look at Mario and Tiffany as well, like Mario's hair, what's going on like that? Real profiler's. That's an aggressive hair line on the back. Well, you know, we do a lot of talking about Zach's hair. But Mario, we we found out, I believe it was earlier this year, possibly late last year. I did a con with Mario and we did a Q&A and his hair was permed. And we found out that his mother and possibly his aunt were the ones that permed it.
So sometimes you would see these tight little curls and sometimes you would see looser curls on top as the perm was sort of, you know, releasing itself. Right. But the perm was was going from once again.
But it's pretty funny that the two boys on on the show, there was so much emphasis on their hair and Dustin was unnatural. Yeah, those were his his beautiful little WLOX curls, but his hair was natural. Yeah.
I think that fits with character. I think Zack and Slater would both be wanting their hair to be looking good and screech, probably not so much. I wouldn't care as much.
So in this episode we're giving these medallions, these necklaces. It's like a reverse. Sadie Hawkins. So flipping from fatal distraction and which seems kind of it's like this, isn't that so if Sadie Hawkins is like the exception that is in other dances, like guys just ask the girls and the hard thing feels like a bit much, but, you know, it's fun. It's fun. The show is supposed to be fun. You know, I noticed Slater gives Kelly his heart necklace, that she seems very excited about it.
She's she's content with it.
Less so with Zac.
I'm maybe I'm reading into things. But that was my reaction watching that. She was very, very happy when Slater gave his heart and not so much with me or Zac.
Sorry. And it upsets you to see her so happy. It it hurts you to see her happy with someone else, is what I'm taking away still to this day. Yes. OK, well, as long as you're holding onto it and will never let go, then we have plenty of stuff to talk about on this podcast. So thank you. So Kelly is again, she's undecided. It seems like there's a lot of Keli's undecided that I'm sort of picking up on as we watch this and failed distraction.
It was a dance and beauty and the screech. It was who to give her tickets to and dancing to the magnitude of your dance partner. Just a big thing that has been immerge, to me at least, is a clear pattern of Kelly just can't make up her mind. She can make up her mind last week in the election. And then Lisa comes into the hallway playing Bo Revere.
Now, that's funny. Yeah. In the reboot, we bring up Bo Reverand. I remember filming that scene going, Who the fuck is Bo Revere? Like, I had no right. I could not for the life of me think like that was in our show. Like, is this the only time we ever talk about Bo Revere? Yes.
And I'm glad I'm I forgot there was even a Bo Revere boy. Oh boy. I can't wait to watch the reboot with everyone next, but this month it's November because I forgot. Those are both of your reference even in it. That was so long ago. But yes, this is the only Bo Revere mentioned in all of say, by the bell. And I did a little bit of a little bit of a dive because someone had to record this song, right?
I mean, it is a song. So Bo Revere is, in fact, Scott Gale, who did the main title theme and his composing partner, Rich EAMS Rich EAMS, traditionally a jazz musician, picked that up off the James website, but his biggest career highlight would be 11 years on, saved by the bell. So including the new class and college years, all the movies, everything. He worked with Scott Gaylan over two hundred fifty episodes, doing all the genres that they'd have to do depending on what the episodes called for.
And this song, Don't Leave With Your Love, is featured on the essay by the Bell soundtrack. So that's what Paul Revere is it Scottsdale's the dude who did the theme song, his recording partner. And I'll tell you, whenever it comes on, kids just need to move kids.
Got it. Yeah, it's like they don't even dance. They just did. It's like they're being, like, shocked by electricity. They just got a. To kind of gyrate their bodies a little bit wherever they are. So we've been watching this show for, what, 14 episodes now? There's no locks on these lockers that that that never happened in real life, did it? No.
I mean, I, I certainly my my school experience involved locks on lockers. Maybe it's the I mean, you know, the boring reason is it's because they kind of always need to be accessing these things, but maybe like rich people are more comfortable just leaving stuff unlocked. They're less concerned about protecting their valuables. That makes sense. And besides, seems to be an affluent community. But then you get people like Screech putting shit in your locker. And who wants that?
Yeah, I mean, not me and certainly not Lisa. You would think at the very least, like if you had a stalker, you would take extra precautions. So Lisa would probably at a certain point learn to lock her belongings and yeah, take take extra measures. And that balloon is just the balloon screech plants in the locker. It is really fun to me because it it you know, they only made one of those for that shot. I mean, it's I can't even imagine what our department was like trying to get it's a really good caricature.
Looks like a theme park drawing, but they only had one shot. I would imagine. It's a it's a fun, fun little gag.
I don't think they did it in one shot. I think we had a multiple just in case something went wrong. You think they're back up balloons? I think so. And what I wouldn't pay for one of those balloons now?
Yeah, I'm sure that would be that would. Yeah. We've mentioned you have like some some props hanging out in storage. Yeah.
Maybe I'm being dumb. I'm being I'm being a rube, as they say, outside of Hollywood or in Hollywood. Yeah. They probably just printed that. I was picturing someone like hand drawing the balloon, but they probably had it like professionally printed and just made like a bunch of them. That would probably the way to do it.
Yeah. But even if they hand drew them, it would be that person's one job to do all week. So they could do. Yeah. Multiples because that's their job. That's the I always forget the people need those jobs. Right. That's a that's a great I just write the dumb stuff and then someone has to make the balloons. You're so, you're so right Martelle. But there really isn't any props that I that I kept from saved by the bell.
And that's one of my big regrets, is that I don't have props from from the show. I like I said, I have a few posters and some framed photos and things that that I don't know how they got into my possession. They were probably given to my mother and my mother put them in my storage unit. But, you know, we just weren't sentimental at this point. At fifteen, sixteen years old, not the same experience that I had when I did NYPD Blue and some of the other things that I've done even on Mix's right now, I'm I'm hoarding props that we use.
Yeah. Just because it's fun. Yeah. I'm on NYPD Blue. If they hadn't bolted down the desk, I probably would have taken my desk with me because I took I took handcuffs and and notepads and a lamp that was on my desk and a lamp. Oh yeah. Yeah. Was it just did you like the lamp or was it like a sentimental lamp where you like. This is a cool lamp. I want this lamp. It was just it was just because it was part of the show, it wasn't even like I thought just take it just in storage somewhere like Indiana Jones.
It's just like collecting dust pretty much. OK, all right. Well, good. That's fun. I wonder I hope the I hope the kids on the reboot are more sentimental and more aware of holding onto the the cool little props that are around. And because they say you like you'll always have the memories, but your your proof you won't you might not always have the memory. So take some stuff.
Yeah. So exactly.
Oh Chance at the dance is in jeopardy of building talks to his mother and she finds out about his like many, many devious acts.
But Beldin doesn't refer to my mother right. As my mother. Yeah. He says, you know, I can't wait to see my favorite California girl. Your mommy. Yeah. I must say, that's all that I felt triggered as far as my my kids tell me that that's the lingo they use when, you know, things aren't going their way. I felt that I was like, hey, dude, I have a little respect. Yeah. Belding is playing a playing a little chin music, as they say in the ring, you know, just throwing a couple of punches.
Right, right in there. About your mom. And he also, it's worth noting, he he sings The Beach Boys, and I could not help but wonder how much money NBC had to pay to use Beach Boys music on their show. Because even if you don't play the music and Marple, I know you're well aware, but in case you're listening and you aren't aware of this fun production fact, you got to pay Mike Love and Brian Wilson just to say the words to the tune.
And they had just done that last week with Good Vibrations, which Mr. Duey kind of is like a good, good, good vibrations, which is like right on the line. But I'm sure Legal had raised a note like, guys, we got I mean, unless NBC owned the rights at the time, I try to look into it. Apparently, Mike Love and Brian Wilson been fighting for years about rights. And so it's kind of a murky topic.
But I'm curious how much NBC actually paid for.
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This is not the last time you'll see Miss Wentworth. It's also worth noting here the subliminal ads. She says she's teaching them about subliminal ads, just a teeny, tiny, brief history. James Vicary is largely credited as the man for who discovered subliminal advertising. In nineteen fifty seven, he flashed Drink Coca-Cola and eat popcorn for one two thousandth of a second during a movie. And popcorn sales went up fifty eight percent and Coca-Cola went up 18 percent.
So he figured it out. If figured out to sell people more crap, they might not even want just with subliminal ads. It's a it's a real thing and it also seems like a dangerous thing to teach teenagers. I'll point that to teach them it works. Seems dangerous, especially Zack Morris. I will say, seeing all those ads up there, I don't care if it made me want to go. It made me want to be in a movie theater.
I will say that just seeing popcorn made me go like, wow. Haven't haven't been one of those in a while. So she claims that this cassette player can isolate music and voices. Yeah, I'm calling her bluff. It's bullshit. I think she's just a really good it's total bullshit. I think she's just a good actor and she's like manipulating buttons that don't exist on that cassette player. And it's funny because while I was watching this, I was I had to actually Google.
I immediately thought of it as a tape recorder. And I that it can't be a tape recorder because a tape recorder is a thing that you record with that has tape in it. Lisa almost had more of a tape recorder in the whole thing, a little bit more tape recorder. Right. So then I was like, it's a boom box. And then I thought, no, see, I'm aging myself there. Is that what these these kids nowadays are calling?
And actually, they do call them a boombox. I went into this deep dive on the Internet. Thank you, Google.
Were you out in the neighborhood asking kids again yelling out out of a car window what they call things and then also found out I remember this term as well, but ghetto blaster.
Yes, a term that I have not looked into thoroughly, but I would imagine has roots in racism to disparage the noise coming from a from those darn kids. But here's a little fun note that I thought while I was doing this investigative work about a cassette player. But the first ever boom box was the Norelco made in Holland. It was by Phillips of the Netherlands. And me being a Dutch Indonesian, I was like, Yeah, go go Dutch.
I was I had the same question, though, about like how she they they'd gloss over the tech very quickly, like, yeah, I'll just turn the vocal track down like you're not in the studio. This isn't like a mixer. This is like it's a if anything, there's two tape slots on a on that boombox you could like record from tape to tape, but I don't think you could even play both tapes at the same time, like it's just bogus.
But, you know, they thought they thought we wouldn't know.
And then we get into Zack's room and there's three sort of cassette apparatus, things that will basically allow me to put a subliminal message onto a a tape that I'm going to play for Beldin. Yeah. And I don't know if you noticed or not, but it seems like Dustin has trouble saying hidden messages and then he does this thing that he's like he had just or wipes his mouth, like manipulating his mouth in some way. And I was trying to think, like, if I remember, did he have a retainer?
Was he did it come loose? Did he have remember those things I was talking to you about, about the if you had missing teeth that you kind of put what they were called flippers back then. Yeah. There was like a guy in Hollywood given all the kids flippers. Right. Of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Dr. Smith and I noticed in a previous episode that there was that that Dustin had a tooth missing. And I thought, well, maybe, maybe they we gave him a flipper and the thing wasn't sitting right or or what I'd love to know what he was doing with his mouth is wonderful to see that in later seasons.
I'm curious to know maybe it was like just some kind of adolescent body thing, you know, saliva to produce more that week.
So I'm making this a blip on the subliminal message. I'm having trouble send subliminal message, but I'm doing this so that Belding doesn't meet my mother. But do we ever meet my mother?
Yeah, you do. So you will meet your mother. She has some some pretty pretty great appearances in the show. Really. And yeah. Yeah. You congratulations. You have a mom on, say, by the Bell and we see her as well as your dad. You will you will also be running into your dad not too long from now. Yeah, I know. I kind of remember my dad and his look, I, I think if I remember correctly, wasn't he on Good Morning, Miss Bliss.
Was your dad on. Good morning, Miss Bliss. That's a good question. I don't all the way. No, I don't know the way to remember if we ever see your dad on. Good morning, Miss Bliss. I mean, Hayley Mills was like the adult and Hayley Mills and building where the adults for sure. And also Milo and God, I forget her name, but Misplaces friend going to get dragged on Twitter for that one. But I'm not sure we ever see the parents on.
Good morning. This was also a quick little thing on your whole thing of like Screech has like every tape recorder at the store laid out on Zach's bed.
I would have just moved you guys over to the computer. I have just had you guys on the computer doing some kind of like because only then it's like, ah, the technology to do this is on Zach's computer. And that makes sense, although maybe even that was more fantastical that that computers could do like vocal processing like that. But it just seems like silly like like just cause you have a bunch of tape recorder, I don't know.
So on Zach's third subliminal message, he says Zack Morris is a fine human being. And I don't know if you caught this, but someone in the audience loudly says, oh, my goodness. And I thought that that was I had to rewind that a few times.
So and you're told not to say anything when you're in the audience, but you can laugh. Yeah, you can. You can gasp. You can you know, I guess I could do some of those catcalls when when Slater walks in. But to actually say something, don't go there. I know what you were going to say, but the whole Slater thing. Yeah.
I won't go to the place you just went, but you're not supposed to actually say, yeah, yeah.
You're not supposed to say words. And I clearly hear, oh, my goodness, that's so funny.
Like, why why that. Oh, that's that seems like an odd moment to pick your your time to exclaim. She must not think Zack Morris is a fine human being and maybe somebody related to you. Maybe she thought back in the nineties already that Zack Morris was trash, right? That is true. I did have my my ancestors were roaming the streets in the eighties, so you'd be correct. One of them got to a taping. We also get a little bit more of an exact as being not so nice to screech here, like verbally and physically abusive.
And it's kind of jarring now to watch. But also, like, I feel like it's not I feel like it's actually pretty realistic for actual friendships in high school and stuff, like there will be friends who just kind of like pick on each other. Like they'll they'll be kind of an upper hand friend sometimes. Ah, I don't know, like I've, I feel like I've seen I remember seeing stuff like this. So it's not that it's kind of accurate, even if it's played for laughs.
Yeah.
It makes me very uncomfortable to see some of some of the things that I did to Dustin. I think I took pleasure in it at that age that I got to hit another human being. Sure. But it makes me uncomfortable to watch that now. And there's a few in this episode will definitely point those out.
And we're back in the halls of Bayside Zach, you know, given building the tape, Lisa, in her like second of three fantastic full denim outfits.
And this giant trashcan prop is so it's I keep using I realize I've used the word fun so much in this podcast. Gosh darn it, Martha. I'm going to use it again. The giant trash cans. Very fun. It's a fun little like we talk about building the balloon like it was someone's job all week. Someone also had to make a big ol trash can for for screech to like, scoot around in. And I love it.
But before we get to the trash, can you who is this jacked dude in the background? And he's he's obviously flexing his bicep right there.
Yeah. He's like almost doing a pull up kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah.
Is this a grown man? Like who is this guy? Is this the first time we've seen him?
He looks new to me. I mean, I've certainly started to I've become more and more aware of recurring background artists. Yeah, maybe. I mean, that's an adult guy. Maybe he's like an undercover narcotics officer or something at the school. Like maybe he's there, like maybe that was like a third show. Peter Angle was trying to get off the ground like a kid cop or something.
And again, look at Slater and Kelly just talking like barfs. They're just smiling. So you really think that I have a shot? I mean, Zach has a shot with Kelly in later episodes. I mean, this is actually going to happen because I don't see it.
It's it's it's going to happen. I. Promise you it will it's going to happen soon, too, I mean, it's certainly coming up, you guys. Well, yeah, you'll you'll have a anot again like actually typical of high school relationship that will be there will be on and office again. And, you know, spoiler alert, you guys get married in Vegas as you as one of the few memories you have, you go to you're actually married in Las Vegas.
I mean because I just, I just look at Slater and Kelly and I think that that's a normal relationship. They're just sitting there and having a conversation. And everything that Zack does is is abnormal to me. Yeah, it's it's obnoxious. It's just like I look at him like a God, dude, quit, quit. You know, act like you've been there before.
I mean, it's I mean, borderline personality disorder that he can't let two people be happy without him. He needs to, like, just go in there and, like, throw a bomb on their happiness. So, like, he can, like, get his butt. You know, it's all in the name of a true love in high school or whatever. Just going back to the technology of this all on tapes, like kids probably have zero clue what a you know, what a tape is or that thing with a pencil where you'd have to, like, rewind the tape and get the tape material back in.
Belding says the line the reason he takes tape is his Beach Boys tape is old. And when you think about music and degradation of quality on like vinyl, like tapes would get worn out. You could wear a tape out from listening to it too much something kids today we'll just have no idea ever about. Like an MP three doesn't lose quality as you listen to it for ten years. But a tape you would play over and over and over. Would I remember those days?
Do you remember one of your first tapes that you got?
Oh, man, I have one of my first tapes I got. I remember like going a lot through my parents, my parents, my older sisters, like tape collection. So it's kind of like there I would just kind of get like the scraps of, like what was around the house and stuff. But I remember the first I remember the first CD I bought, which was Beck's Odelay. That's the first, like, compact disc I bought. But as far as tapes, I just kind of like get what was around the house and we would also like tape stuff off the radio.
I remember calling Kiss FM as a child in Los Angeles to ask them to play a song so I could tape it from the radio. That was how you would acquire music. That was like the original downloading.
Yeah, I used to have one of those tape recorders like the one that Lisa had, and I would I would record my voice and act like I was a newscaster. And then also I had one of those yellow Walkman that was waterproof. Yeah, I totally approve. And oh yeah, those were really cool. I remember the the one that I probably the the tape that I wore out the most was probably the Beastie Boys Licensed to Kill.
That was my other CD. Like I shared that with my sister. Like we like she I think she bought that at the same time and I would listen to that a ton. But again, on CD not not tape, I was, I was all the generation gap had already expressed itself. I was listening to it on a on a digital medium.
So Slater gives Kelly his heart medallion because he says that Zack won't be able to make it to the dance.
I just want to say again, I'm going to point this out that Kelly looks way too happy to be going to the dance with Slater.
There is absolutely zero remorse or sympathy for good.
Just crawling back. Oh, my God. You just wanted to be like, no, Slater, I couldn't possibly like that smile.
Just a little like hesitation. She just said something. I mean, she just walks off huge smile on her face. It doesn't even look back.
Yeah. She's putting distance between herself and a criminal who's kicking a trash can. Also, I did not notice.
The audience, though, says they kind of go like, oh, when Kelly goes with Slater, like they are aligned with your perspective. So the audience felt your pain in that moment. And they are sad to see Kelly going with this this nice young criminal.
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Like, I don't remember why that was a thing. The the quality was horrible. Total dog shit.
Yeah. Like it was. It's so funny now to really think about how bad sound quality was and how like you can buy like a 20 dollar waterproof speaker on Amazon Bluetooth. And it sounds incredible. And we were all listening to junk.
And I'm sure the only reason I was able to hear that that audience member in, you know, say, oh, my goodness, is because I'm wearing noise canceling air pods.
Right. That that I could hear almost everything.
And I'm sure if I was wearing those shitty headphones at Belding's wearing, I never would have caught it totally at, like, absolute garbage garbage headphones.
But we're so we're in his office. I just want to point out that the background is is not the same as in previous episodes. There's there's different things behind him. There's the picture frame of of his wife has been replaced with the looks to be his parents.
I don't know. It's a different set behind him, maybe because his favorite California girl is coming in for a meeting. He wants to hide the misses and like project a nice single man thing going here. You know, I'm not tied down, so Belding's trying to fuck my mother. I'm going I'm going to I'm going to say that. Yeah, I'm going to say that's Cannan. OK, but again, he's singing California sings. Yeah. Like this.
So how much. Oh my God. I cannot even I just I mean again, you know, there's certainly better than I do but like it. If you wrote that in a script it would get flagged so quickly before it went anywhere is like guys.
No just that's why, that's why the song is so revere, because it was it was essentially a free song. Not only could they use it, they could sell it. It is so peculiar to me that they went with like there must be some kind of story here of how they secured those rights to sing it on TV and just to give our audience who don't know, like what reference for how much money.
Yeah, please. This could be anywhere from like I'm things that I've worked with. When I did the passage, we had a great soundtrack on that show. And you would pay close to like anywhere from ten thousand dollars to possibly sixty thousand dollars to just use a drop. Yeah. So this could fall somewhere in that in that range.
I doubt that they would be above like forty thousand but but that's, that's a crazy amount of money just to get to this joke and ah this setup and yeah it can be. And that's also for like when you said that's for any licensed music, if you're talking about like the Beach Boys and the Beatles and like the Rolling Stones, the fee goes through the roof. It is it is a tremendous number. So yeah, it's maybe just maybe it wasn't a fever pitch like that in eighty nine, maybe was a little fast and loose with the laws and rules.
And you know, Zacker plan works, right. It's it's a good fun plan. And this whole thing with building, I mentioned it earlier, it's not a fantasy. I mean he's living this, but it has the same energy of these fantasies. Right. We're like things are just kind of happening in heightened beyond any kind of normal ways. How quickly this all this all unfolds all the way to building, like giving him money, giving him money to have a good time at the dance.
Also, Zack Morris, the politician just being presented with facts and just saying like, no, I don't I don't believe those. And in building, just as okay, I was like the scenes with Belding.
Yeah, I do remember it was it was fun to work with Dennis because he was a very giving actor and he was always trying to make things better. He was a professional, you know, he he he really he really nails it. I'm I believe we talk about it every time he's on a scene, but I'm sure there are in many ways my my my favorite scenes on this this watch. So I notice now you're like head nods and eyebrow bumps like those felt intentional.
You kind of called them out last week as being almost like a like a tick, but kind of like in like you blinked instead of winked kind of thing. I thought, like the Zack Morris eyebrow bumps are very like on character, you know, like they're he's mischievous but cool. Like, what did what were your thoughts? I know you're very critical of your own kind of acting and a lot of ways.
Well, I watched it. I mean, it's there. I don't quite know what I'm doing. I, I don't know. I don't know. Daniel, I pointed it out the last episode, and I.
Do you think it's cool and it's cool.
I would imagine on mixed ish you're not like bumping your eyebrows after like you finish a scene, but like back then is a Zach Moore's. It's like that's is you know, he's a cool kid. He's like up to mischief. It's it's fun. I'm encouraging you to embrace. Well, I can't believe I'm encouraging you to embrace the fun. I thought it was going to go the other way on this whole this whole thing.
All right. I'll embrace the fun and it's OK, too. So we're in the max. I just want to say that the guy with the jacked arms, the Jack dude, he's there. We get it. You have big biceps. Move on. Yes or no answer. And the audience loves the nerds. It's worth again, I think we mentioned it, but very much like built off the revenge of the Nerds image of nerds as well as like the laugh from oh, Gilbert.
Yeah. I think Gilbertson's name, like Dilbert's kind of laugh here is very much Robert Kennedy, Robert Kennedy and there we go. Yeah. The his actual name, not Gilbert. And we also get the return of Kiran's like lower third title sequences only this time in hot neon pink, which is great choice looks really pops on the screen. So I'm not one hundred percent sure. But Edgar walks up to this blonde girl and I believe her name was Shonda Whipple.
Yeah. And if it is Shonda Whipple, we were child actors and I my family was close with her family and I'm not sure if we did commercials together, but it was a close community when you were a child actor because you would see the same people at these auditions. And sometimes you do, you know, two to three auditions a day after school. But, yeah, I almost want to say that I did like a wammo commercial with Shonda.
I don't I don't know.
That is so interesting that you just like you were like, holy crap that Shonda like. Are you you believe it, Shonda? I mean, I'll take your word for it. Why not? Not accredited though. But that's that's so interesting. I she actually stood out to me because I thought like did girls dress like that to go to eat a burger in nineteen eighty nine. She seems like very like done up. I mean I know it's a TV show.
More of these are costumes. Thank you folks. It's a stereotype like, like she's kind of like a blonde like fashionable valley girl kind of thing. Right. That or like. Is that how you read it.
Yeah, of course it's a stereotype. It's you know, she's she's right.
He's yeah. He's he's a nerd. She's like a I mean, like national popular girl to throw that back at you.
Is this how nerds dressed? I mean, come on. Yeah.
I mean certain. Certain OK. Oh thank you. I forgot how TV works. I thought it was a documentary, but I just want to point out that Alan is my favorite nerd.
He's really funny. I mean, he's he's a he's certainly a scene stealer. And Ben, it kind of alluded to Bennet Tramer, who is on a few weeks ago, the writer alluded to how, like, you kind of write these people and they start emerging as recurring characters. And, yeah, I can see why Allen got got jokes over and over. He's he's a really funny guy. Also, we're the nerds are named Edgar and Allen.
I thought that, you know, as like Edgar Allen Poe. I thought that was just like an odd that must have been on purpose. Right. Like that doesn't just happen to write Edgar Allen on the page. I'm not sure. You don't know. You don't know. You're not on the page. Oh, I leave that to you.
You're in that squad. You're in the writers squad.
All right. I forgot shit. OK, I'm going to make a ruling then and say it was an accident. And then later they were like it was on purpose. That's usually I feel like how it works.
And then the third nerd is Wendell. And I thought it was pretty interesting that he is the girl that he gave the subliminal tape to, refers to him as master. And the first thing and that that matters is anyone watching the show on HBO know as soon as I heard Master, it did like.
Yeah, icky, icky, icky.
And another smack from Zack Morris. Yeah.
He just can't help it. Wallop screech. This plan is also nuts. Like Screech had to go to the record store and buy a bunch of bull Revera tapes and like it. This is like so out of control. How much is this costing. Tapes were not cheap. They come to ZAGG dropping on this plan. Yeah, but I was a privileged kid. On the Palisades, that's true, yeah, yeah, your dad sold computers, you were you you're doing OK.
And I'm I'm losing track even at this point of how many times, like the boys have invaded the girls locker room. It'll keep happening, it never stops happening on this show. But Screech is great as a as Barbara Bush, another Bush reference, I laughed out loud, I laughed out loud when Dustin said the line I don't want to have one. When Jesse said, you need a uniform, I thought has his line read was brilliant hat off to to Dustin on that.
He leans into it. It's really funny. Did you notice Daniel?
Did you notice, Daniel, that Jesse is wearing her own heart, huh?
I did not notice that. Wow. Very progressive. She will not be she will not be held down by any man. And again, I'm going to throw it out there. Where are the locks for these lockers? Well, again, you got to like there's almost like a code of trust in a locker. But, yeah, you would you would lock your shit up. But it's just going back again to Bennett's thing of like no baby steps.
I was Peter Engle's like note of like, we don't need to see them having the plan and thinking of it. And it works it real. Like we did not need to see a scene of the girls listening to the music. We just are in the next scene and they're brainwashed. It's it is though, no baby steps thing, which is it's good to keep the story moving that fast when you can. So Kelly's listen to the tape and now she throws Slater's heart pendant on the ground and then she's going to the dance with me.
Yeah.
And you're feeling pretty good about that, I'm guessing, because you're like, yeah, this is what's supposed to happen. Yeah. I don't know what I don't know what to feel at this point. I feel bad for Slater. Yeah. You know, he kind of just like it's like a dog with its tail tucked between his legs. It just kind of scampers off, picks up his little heart thing off the ground is scampers off. That's not easy to play as an actor.
Yeah. You know, slaters just marching straight to the weight room to lift the heaviest shit ever with that adult copy close to their school. Any more screech in lockers, almost like he left the girls locker and took like a special locker tunnel to to this locker. I want that shirt that screech is wearing. It's cool. It's a cool. Sure. I don't think we thought it was cool back then because it was definitely a screech shirt is like for nerds, but that is a cool shirt.
Totally. Did you catch when Lisa whips screech around by his heart medallion and yeah we, we have it paused here. It's so yeah.
You're going to have to the audience is going to have to rewind this a few times and let us know what you see. Please do. She whips him so hard that screech seems to faceplant the locker and nobody reacts to it. Which makes me think that it wasn't in the script that it was Dustin. Right.
If it was in the script, you would have known to react to it. You would have known it was a thing. Right. And no one reacts to it. I think Dustin would do this quite a bit, but he was so good at physical comedy and I think this was ad libbed by him. I think he thought of this on his own and I loved it. I mean, I rewound this part a few times, but yeah, him taking a faceplant and Locher is comedy gold.
Yeah, it's good stuff. Physical, physical comedy never fails. And we're in the max and Max has a whole new outfit that only we've seen this like he always looks like he works like an ice cream shop or something. He does not. It's really it's what's it called once a milk counter. That's not that's nowhere near correct. I get what you're saying about like.
Do you think it's just for the gag. Yeah.
Oh, it's all it's all for the boat. I gag one hundred percent. Yeah. There were like, look, we're going to do the bow tie gag so he's going to be in his oh my God, it's going to drive me nuts. I can't think what these what the word I'm trying to say. I'll remember it tomorrow. I will call you. You won't pick up. It'll be great.
This is in this scene where the three girls I must admit, the only thing I saw during this scene was that the Jack dude in the background talking to another do not. And I was just like, what are they talking about? So then I just created this whole narrative in my head and I was thinking, like, he's he's sitting there. Maybe that that guy in the blue shirt is his dealer, you know, and that's where he's getting his performance enhancing drugs.
And he's like, you know, talking to like. So, OK, how many times should I cycle through this? And, you know, should I be taking this on top of that?
I would just love to know what like is HGH dealer. Yeah, yeah. Because he got so enormously swoll in before his body had even completed puberty. Yeah. Yeah. That that makes sense. But maybe maybe he's a he's a a background artist from the earlier episodes and he's been on this program from from his dealer. Right. And now he's that size in episode fourteen. Right. And there was going to be like an episode about it but it got cut for one reason or another.
Just shop ever aired. Yeah. That makes sense. Oh man. Yeah. Alan and his little nerd outfit on his like date is so funny. He's my favorite and Jesse has an idea and we get like that that cartoony light bulb effect. I mean you really see they like they threw so much into this episode. I think that's why I kind of had. I've had such a strong opinion going into it like it it does all of the saved by the bell tropes, Zach versus Slater, well, she won't she with Kelly.
So they have a shared thought bubble where Screech is being disrobed. That was very funny. Yeah, very, very funny there.
The shared thought bubble is is such a fun visual. Again, the use of pink and screeches clothes are on wires and Velcro, just like being flung off of him into outer space. And yes, he is about to break. Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. And when the final the final Rob comes off, he is he is just not holding it together at all. Oh I love that look on his face and the girls decide to get their revenge.
They're going to get revenge. Yeah.
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So we're in Act three, and it's it's really funny, I mean, like Kelly, again, just like such a a sweetheart. All she cares about and sweetheart. Yeah, no, no, no, no. I'm sorry. But she cares about making Slater feel bad because she got brainwashed.
Zack Morris, my subliminal message says Zack Morris is a 10 and Kelly goes to fives is more like it. Well, you know what? Hey, Kelly, go fuck yourself. You wrote that down. You put that. I mean, I wrote this down.
I mean, seriously, do they get together at this point? I don't see it. I mean, what the fuck is wrong with Kelly and Zack right now?
You type that or write it out by hand. Well, I wrote that out by hand.
That was I couldn't believe that she said that. I couldn't like. Why would you have her say that? Why wouldn't you have, like, Jessie say that? Like, why would you have Kelly say that? Yeah.
Don't you think that as a writer you want to preserve this thing that they have going on? I don't know what's going on, but once you have like, don't you think that that would be a more of a Jesse line?
Like she's grown up with Zach and I don't know. I just think. How do you come back from that, Kelly? From too far? I mean, that is not that is certainly I mean, what she could and maybe should say is like, wow, he's playing with our minds. Like, this person is an evil genius and like, no, she's too feisty. I think you I think what they were doing more Paul, if you want to know the Dumble boring answer is there's like some real tension in the first season of who Kelly's going to even wind up with.
I'm like, will she ever wind up with Zack was not like established or written in stone until until much, much later. So, you know, they're keeping it keeping it interesting, keeping it fresh. But I can tell it hurts you. I can tell it. It hurts you deeply. It hurts me deeply. I'm sorry, but I don't know what to think of Kelly at this moment. But Zack Morris is a blond. Tom Cruise.
Yeah. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Miss Wentworth say this in an earlier episode? So it was driving me nuts. I thought so too. And I went back to the Lisa card and there's one Miss Wentworth seen in the Lisa car where she teaches them sex ed. And I didn't hear it. But like I it's almost like a I it's like a false memory. Or if I just had heard this line before. So it sounded familiar.
I don't know. I could not find her referring to Zach as that.
So Zach refers to himself as a blonde Tom Cruise. Yeah. Which is which is interesting because Marc Paul, did you ever as a kid, do you remember ever seeing the movie Cocktail. Yeah. Starring Tom Coursers. Yeah. So someone on Twitter when we had been kind of speculating about, like what was cool and what hairstyle you were maybe trying to imitate, suggested you may have been trying to do like a Tom Cruise and cocktail thing with some of your hair volume.
Now, I don't know if that's accurate or not. I don't think it's accurate.
I thought maybe on the thing where we talked about of like you guys wrote down your interests and what you what you what sport you play or what you like or whatever, you know, I thought maybe you're like, yeah, Tom Cruise, like, he is pretty cool. So I wrote that in for, you know, I think that I don't think I watched Cocktail when it came out. I think the one Tom Cruise movie that I it was definitely a fan of was Top Gun.
I mean, I watch that for year and over, so much so that I wanted to be a teen pilot. Wow. I don't think there's anything I don't know what they were to to.
We'll just cut that out because I don't want to be skewered on Twitter in eighteen Denef. Thirty five.
It'll be, it'll be fine. It'll be. You know what I meant. I wanted to be a pilot of the planes that their wings retracted like that and they landed on an aircraft carrier. It looked really fun. I wanted to, I wanted to hang out with people like Eiseman and and Gousse and things like that.
Yeah, I actually saw the Hot Shots movie, which are, you know, parodies of. Oh, yeah. That's a fun movie. Before I ever saw Top Gun. Yeah, yeah. I saw Hot Shots. I think I saw the second Hot Shots before I ever saw Hot Shots one or Top Gun. And when I finally did see Top Gun, I was like, Oh, I get it now. I get all these jokes that the top gun for for me was was the shit.
It's cool. Yeah. Sam is one where there's going to, like, help the girls enact their revenge, which is just if I'm a teacher at a public school, I am. I'm sorry, guys. I'm not I'm here to help you get into maybe get into college maybe. But like, I'm certainly not like enacting revenge on my students with you. That seems a fireable offense. So, Miss Wentworth, in the next classroom scene where they they come up with the you know, the the scheme she has is anybody have any questions?
And Jessie asks if the government have ever used subliminal messages to control people's thoughts. It was interesting to me because later we find out that George W. ran an ad with a subliminal message. Yes, a rats ad in 2000. It used it. It was I'm at the Democratic health care plan. And as it was talking about Bush's health care plan and then like. When the Democratic health care plan popped up on screen, the work you can just Google, it's on YouTube, the word rats flashed very quickly and they got caught using subliminal advertising in a political campaign, something to to maybe talk to read about if he's ever run again.
But I just thought it was interesting because obviously the show is filmed in nineteen ninety eighty nine, but so were subliminal ads used by the government.
I thought that there was an interest like she could have said, like where subliminal ads used in music or in other things, and she chose to she chose to use government. Yeah. Jesse is again like a very shrewd, smart person. Her mother has a background. We learned fighting in the 60s for, I would imagine, you know, civil rights and women's lib. And so maybe I mean, she she kind of is like skeptical of the government in a post Vietnam post Vietnam clarity that maybe the government isn't always telling us.
What we should hear is what we they think we need to hear.
Maybe it's the theory that Breckin Meyer had where she's just an alien from the future.
Well, that was that was Kelly's an alien from the future. So you're saying they're all aliens from the future? They're all aliens, potentially. Yeah.
OK, look, I believe there I try to get ready to come clean about aliens last week. I believe it. And yeah, it is it is funny when when the music plays and Zak like realizes is his goose is cooked, so to speak, when, when Jesse stands over him, it's partially just because she's tall and like it looks like she is towering over over you. Marfil It looks it looks truly like she could she's asserting her physical dominance over you, as you said in your seat.
I wonder if it was a fun day for the background because the the twins got some lines that day and. Yeah, they're so adorable. I miss the twins. Yeah, the twins. The twins got some lines. Yeah. They'd like they like they surround you. You get flanked by the twins. It's really funny. I get I get surrounded by everyone I know, but it's like the twins come in like one from behind, one from the side like, like a strategic maneuver.
They didn't, they didn't.
They leave, you know, exits some people's dreams. Yeah.
Some people's dreams. But you know, turns out to be a turns out to be a nightmare. And then in the next in the next scene where I'm running in the hallway and I start off by buttoning my shirt and I had to rewind it going, who unbutton my shirt.
I did I did that to Mark Paul because I did the same thing of like, did I miss it? Or it's almost as though Zach is unbuttoning his shirt as he jogs down the hall just to be a little dramatic and then rebutting it.
And yeah, like I use the summary, I said like zombie horde. Maybe it's because we're we're coming at a spooky season here, but it is like this, like a wall of people coming after Zach, making him making him question if brainwashing is really the right thing to do. And I noticed one of the background artists is in a isn't a large a very memorable large pink shirt with a happy face from pin to the mat. So I wonder if she came back for this week or if they shot these back to back or.
I'm kind of curious how they she is back in her same very large, very fun pink happy face shirt.
I just want to go back to Laerke. Putting that heart medallion, I'm sure would have bothered me on the day, but when she put it on me, she, like, really messed up my my hair visor that was going on like like she could have kind of made it a little less like an aggressive move on that on the hair there. I'm sure I was like, hey, hey, watch the hair there, watch the hair there. You know, just watch the hair there.
Yeah.
This thing, these bills that time it did. Is that what you say? And then later to Slater, when he puts the his heart medallion on me at at the button of the scene, he too messes with the hair visor.
Yeah. So that would be the point if one more person did it. You just say, Don, I can't work like this. You storm off and that's lunch.
Well, the other thing is, too, is like there has to be continuity. Right? So after this scene, if we shot it again, I'd probably have to go get my hair fixed.
Yeah, you have to go do some doughnuts in the parking lot with your head out the window to to get that that weinswig. That's right. That's part. Pardon me, folks.
I need to fix my hair and have to chip away at the ozone layer with another can of hairspray. Roni Things Marios or think that thing Slater is going to like save the day. It's nope. He's in love too.
So then I run to Belding's office, tell him to shut it down. Shut it, please stop the madness.
And of course Belding is also under Zach's spell and you know, he confesses and that's that. What is this thing that I do with my leg to punctuate when I say, please stop loving me? Yeah, that that very whiny exclamation, I don't know. I mean, it it it feels like a feels like tantrumming. You don't seem scared. You just seem like maxed out stress wise, like your body's just kind of giving into it. Also, Mrs.
Wentworth, kind of like a sultry energy there in the door when you open, it looked like the hand up and she kind of said, like, if anyone has single parents, let me know in an earlier single dads in an earlier scene. Like, I feel like all these teachers are like kind of like subtly sexed up on this one, which is something I'm tapping into.
Yeah, no, I see that I wouldn't be surprised of Zack and her hooked up at one point.
That would surprise me. But you know what? Anything to get a passing grade. He probably wanted to go to a Milli Vanilli show or something.
I think he has a better shot with her at this point than he does with Kelly. So, you know, oh, man.
I think you are saying. Yeah, I think you grossly misunderestimated teenagers resilience in the romance department. So this episode ends and, you know, Zack learned his lesson and they the tape wasn't really subliminal and it was all just a big ruse.
But this isn't actually the original as shot ending. And we learned from Bennett that about 90 seconds of every episode had to disappear for syndication as well as the DVDs. If you own those, they're not complete, complete as originally aired. I mean, but so we actually this is one where we found the 90 seconds that got removed and it's 90 seconds from the end. So there's a you can find it on YouTube, but there's a there's a little scene that plays out in the max after after the end.
So for people who are too lazy to go to YouTube, I think I think I can actually look at this scene, describe it for us. So we're in the max and it is the dance.
We get to see the dance, which is even odder now that it got cut because they had to shoot the dance scene. But, you know, another dance at the max and Zach is sad and he's taking it out and screech.
And it was a big scene. It was like a big set.
They had lots of set decorations all around. I think they put a lot of money.
I mean, David. Oh, man. Poor Franco in the editing room for the syndication talks being like, we're cutting this thing like it took me a week to put this together. So, yeah, he basically it just ends on a joke of Zach, like ask Slaters there with Kelly. So we get a little more progression of, like Kelly did wind up with Slater for this thing and they offered to let Zach cut in for a dance, but haha the dance was with Slater, not Kelly.
And that's it. It's a it's a 90 second joke leading to Zach and Slater standing there. It's you know, I see why it was cut. I thought what was interesting is in the background, Wendle, one of the nerds, the third nerd is is still with his girl.
Huh. That is interesting. I'm just going to say it. Nerds are great. I wouldn't I wouldn't know. I'm a very cool, categorically cool dude, but nerds are really cool people, and I'm glad she found love and look past her. You know what her friends might say? That she's dating one of these nerds because it's high school and they will say some shit. And before we we stop this episode, when I when I paused it on on my Hulu, there was a you know, the credits.
Yeah. Obviously, Carol Lawrence played Mrs or Miss Wentworth, Miss Misses, because I know now look in the eye. She's trying to find out, she's very ready to mingle. But they also say, you know, the actor who played Edgar Poindexter as well as Nick Reed plays Derek.
And I just want to know if anyone else in our audience saw that. But who the who the hell is Derek?
I'm trying to think of who speaks in the episode. Wouldn't you generally be a bespeaking if you're credited, Mark? Paul, you're the you're the actor.
Yeah, but again, Shonda Whipple was not credited for having the line, so they did. Yeah. So that theory just went right out the window.
It's got to be that Jack did it. Certainly it certainly must be that, that completely Jack did don't man who was probably slaters like personal trainer and that's the Zack tapes. And you know, it's coming up next week. Paul, tell me, King of the Hill, the original pilot, we're going to watch the original pilot for Saved by the Bell next week.
Oh, so it's actually it's going to make absolutely zero sense because I'm going to be substantially younger. The episodes we're watching now, it's crazy.
And what's even crazier is we keep going is I think in like I think there's an episode from Season one that they don't air until I want to say season three or very late season two. And the contrast of how young you suddenly look is mind blowing. So they if you think it's like Looney Tunes now and it actually I think it's the babysitter's is like the most egregious one where it was clearly a early season one episode and aired years later. Yeah, that's that's that's going to be a next week is King of the Hill.
And it's also worth noting, as you're listening to this on a Wednesday, the day after the US election, we recorded this on a Sunday. So no clue what kind of a pool we're throwing this episode into, but we hope you voted. And thanks for listening. Is that about some it up than that about sums it up? Yes. All right. Well, thank you, Mark. Paul, thank you. The listener. And we'll see you next week.
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