Welcome. Welcome to armchair Expert. I'm Dak Shepard. I'm joined by Monica Padman.

Hi.

We have a rare occurrence. Occasionally, we'll interview two people at the same time.

It's pretty rare, but it happens.

And it also marks back to back episodes where we were out on the ground somewhere else, interviewing people on the road, out of our safety zone, out of the attic. In this case, we were at a hotel in Austin, Texas.

That's right.

And it'll come up in the fact check what all we did while we were there. Yeah, but this is Jake Gyllenhaal and Conor McGregor. Jake is an Academy Award nominated actor, and Conor McGregor is a multi weight UFC champion entrepreneur. He's the only person to hold belts in two different weight classes. Fascinating human being. And he's never done a podcast.

Yes, this was his first podcast, which was super fun.

Yes. I'm tempted to say, as a caveat, that my hope and aim for this episode was to be able to connect with Conner and get him to trust me and explore some maybe more emotional things that are not readily discussed with him. So I guess I got a little self conscious. Like, I think as you're hearing it, you'll hear a broier side of me.

Oh, interesting.

And I don't know why I want to just flag that going in, but I hope people will give me a little benefit of the doubt and know that I'm trying to get somewhere.

Yeah.

Which I feel like we got.

That's fair to say.

Yeah. And of course, the reason they're together is they are in a reimagining or remake of one of my all time favorite movies. For people who heard the Jake Gyllenhaal episode last year, he just kind of, as a throwaway, mentioned he was with Conor McGregor, and I was like, what the fuck are you doing with Conor McGregor? And he's like, oh, my God, we're remaking Roadhouse. And I went berserk. If people remember, Roadhouse is my movie. I mean, top five. What a film. And this roadhouse delivers holy fistfights and car chases and boat chases. It's action packed, full throttle. So Roadhouse is streaming this Thursday, March 21, on prime Video. So you can check it out the day it comes out. You don't even have to go anywhere.

That's fun.

So fucking pop some popcorn, put on a tight shirt, get some dumbbells, get a drink going, get several drinks going, and enjoy roadhouse. And then lastly, just want to let everyone know the armchair anonymous prompts for next month are tell us about a crazy cosplay experience. Tell us about your worst day ever. Tell us your best cautionary tale. Or tell us a crazy experience you had as a delivery driver. In any many ways, you could be a delivery driver. Please enjoy Jake Gyllenhaal. Jake Yellenhaal and Connor McGregor. He's an unchange.

He's an.

You guys, it's so awesome that you're here.

Good to meet you, brother. Happy to get to talk to you.

Hi, I'm Monica. Very nice. You look so nice. I love the purple.

I always shake with my left.

We had Jake on eleven months ago, and it was a beautiful interview.

It was so fun.

Yeah, I listened to it on the flight here.

You did?

Yeah, to reacquaint myself.

It was so fun.

Chairs aren't as nice, but. And by the way, the row I've been know. Do you think I told you on the row?

I love it. I felt very flattered because after you visited us, you sent us both gifts, which was very sweet of you.

You got to send us something really nice.

Yeah, Jake sent us something.

Sent us a present after we interviewed him last year.

Alcohol.

I used to like it. No, but you should have seen me do it when I did it. It was something to behold. Yeah.

Coming out with forged stout. The zero zero thing is growing legs in it. You got to be careful with the goggle. You got to be careful with it. I'm an athlete. Right, and I'm also an athlete. That makes alcohol.

Yes.

Kind of ying and yang. You don't put one with the other, so I got to be careful with it. Oh, you have imparting like a rockstar, probably like a strap today. Something to behold.

Sure, sure. A real sight.

But, hey, it's Patrick's month. I don't give a fuck also. But I know my limits as well, and my boundaries, and I'm coming to the finish of this. I've got this roadhouse promotional tour. I've got St. Patrick's Day, but I've got a fight on the horizon. I just want the fucking date. If they give me a date and I say, right, well, I know I can't mess. I'm in the best shape ever. And then I have a party, I go heavy on it, and then I'll kind of, kind of build it back up. But if I have a date, I won't do that.

Yeah, you must reverse engineer your life from these hard dates. But I got to tell you, we're competitors then, because I have a non alcoholic beer.

Abby, yeah, I do. Wow. Daddy. So you make a beer.

What a memory. Jake. So I'm going to tell you one of our taglines, and I feel like you're going to be jealous.

What's it called? First of all? Sorry.

Ted Seegers.

Ted Seegers.

Good, strong name. Right?

What is it? A lager?

Yes.

I have two lagers as well. I haven't released them. I own a brewery in Ireland.

I know. I know all about you.

I have a house lager that I made forged lager. It's a light, crispy beer and it's very successful on premise. I haven't bottled it or candid yet. There's so many lagers out. Know, I'm looking at this whole thing like I'm looking at a map. I've got the stout doing well, but I've actually got two lagers with the same recipe. I added more hops into the crispy one and made a darker beer. So it's like a beer of Moretti or a heineken. I love it.

Think you and I would have anything that deeply in common. But we're in the.

I have to draw the line there.

You went heavy. Just, what, all day, every day?

Yeah. And I love cocaine so much to smell so good. It really smells.

Over here.

But I just want to hit you with fresh, man. You look fresh.

There's a comeback on the cards, man, I'm telling you. I believe.

Let's hang when I'm 70. But I just have two slogans I want to hit you with, because I feel like they're going to really register. One is Ted Seegers is the only logger I trust when I'm alone with my sister in law. The next one is drive fast, fuck slow. Ted Seegers.

Do you guys write that?

Do you feel that? Yeah. The posters and the bar.

So, sister in law, not related. Your brother's wife, is it?

Yeah. So there's two ways to go.

Either you don't want to be.

You don't want to be drunk around her, because it can go either way. Maybe you'll hook up with her.

Maybe you'll kill her. Don't blame salt for what sugar doing. Don't blame alcohol for what cocaine doing. If you get me, I don't know. People are 2024.

You wouldn't know what to be going on.

Who's our fault anyway, man? I'd love a beer now.

Rob, get the mirrors up. Okay. How long have you guys been doing this?

Jake's face. Jake matches my face.

I do want to call out something that's really obvious about the two of you, and it's really wonderful. It's an incredible dynamic because I've already interviewed Jake, and I've watched you in a lot of interviews.

Jake.

You're very careful. You're kind of meticulous about what you say. You want to make sure that you're representing yourself correctly. Do you agree or not?

Yeah. Deep tinker.

I don't want to go forward unless you think that's true.

I mean, thoughtful. I try at least feigning articulation. He's running at, like, 100 miles an hour. I'm in like a sort of second gear generally. And then you can get me into.

When we're together, I'm announcing, hey, everyone's a notorious Conor McGregor. Check out our new movie, Roadhouse on Prime. And then Jake's like, I want something in front of my name. What was the name he came up with? Anxious Jake Gyllenhaal.

Jittery Jake Gyllenhaal.

The thing about it is that we didn't meet actually in person until he came on set.

Oh, no.

Yeah, because he was there maybe a week before. I was working a lot. We had choreography, but they were rehearsing somewhere else. We were shooting. And then when he came on set, it was like a crowd followed him. People were craning their necks when he walked on set. He's such an incredible energy when he walks in that, to me, all I want to do is watch him. Inevitably, when we're together, I'm just sort of like, we're doing interviews and people ask me a question. He answers. I'm like, that sounds good to me. That's fine.

You just defer.

It's a great pairing because you guys are opposite sides of the spectrum in that regard.

Definitely.

And then, of course, it then feeds into the movie, which is beautiful. It's like you're very no bravado. You have a regret about your past. You're kind of low key. You don't even want to be doing the thing. And then you arrive. There's a tornado here, loud as fuck. It's the most wonderful asymmetry.

Potential mega business between myself and Jake. Chill and all. We can do a lot of stuff, 100%.

That first scene where he headbutts me, that was the first time we ever were on screen together. I remember that moment going like, what the fuck am I doing in a scene where Conor McGregor is about to head butt me? And then I had to remind myself that I'd been doing this for a while that was the space I could hold, then he headbutted me.

You might not have felt it from me. Right. Maybe I'm a better actor than I probably give myself credit. Yes, but I felt that for sure. You're a true veteran. As good as it gets, as big as it gets. 75 films. I felt that as well. I didn't want to let you down. I didn't want to let anyone down and think I was not doing my best. So I put in the time. I put it in for you.

Yeah, but you said early on, he said, I'm a white belt in this. That was like the first conversation we.

Had, and I, weird martial way of looking at things, especially the mixed martial arts. You look at a guy who's a specialist in boxing or kickboxing or some discipline, they have too much of an ego. Then to go and become a white belt again, you have got to become a white belt again. You've got to start from the ground up. I used the lessons I had learned in my martial arts game, studying and learning different crafts into the movie business. I'm a white belt coming into this, and I'm absolutely blessed and thankful and grateful and a lucky iris sob that I'm at the Landon right next to this man. And with director Doug Lyman, with producer Joel and the team that was behind it, I just approached it with a novice mindset.

I'm going to argue you aren't a white belt.

Yes, I'm going to argue that, too, actually.

We'll team up on him. He'll still win, but here we go. You want to stand by the exit? I think at this point, you know, when I look at your career as a fighter, the most obvious comp is Muhammad Ali. As far as just showman, showman, showman. I'm almost even curious. Would you rank yourself higher as a promoter than a fighter? And then. Is that a dicey question? I think you're one of the best promoters to ever live.

I agree with that.

And you're one of the best fighters to ever live. But I think you're literally tied with Ali as far as creating excitement and vitriol and passion. You're a fucking showman. I think above all things, I'm a damn good fighter.

I'm great, to be honest with you.

Yes.

And my reckless nature, the best attitude at times. I'd never been beaten. I've beat myself going in. I'll take that as a good compliment. Ali's the man. Ali began that showmanship. He started it to the fight game. I get it. But for me, there's a lot more left in my game, and I look forward to getting back in and showing it.

I'm not trying to take anything away for me as a fighter, but I'm saying you actually will go down in history, is probably tied as the best showman to do it. And I also think the transition for guys, the rock in WWE, into acting, it's like they're already acting. They have a character, they have a Persona. They have the confidence of getting up in front of a crowd and talking. You're at these pref conferences. You've been practicing show.

There's no act on. I am who I am given moment. If Jake is a different person to me, I'm going to be a different person to Jake. Yeah, you get me. And so some fighters, that's the way it is. Look at the Poirier fights. I knocked him out in the fourth one, and then he comes back and we're friendly, and then a few things get said after he gets the win back, and then it just changes again. And it's not acting, it's just what it is.

Well, you have fans, but I have you.

Like us all.

Yeah, you're a dad.

And the fight game has put that to the forefront in front of the world. But I was Mayweather. Press conferences. 25,000 people are there for the press conferences. The very first one, the way the UFC press conferences are laid out, you sit on a table and then the media asks you a question. Hello, Connor. How was training in boxing? It's not the case. You walk in and you got to say something. So I'm sitting up on the stage, I got to go up and say a big speech, and I fucking have nothing in my head. I don't know what to be saying. And I just roll with it.

I want to go back to the first big press tour they put you on, I think was for Aldo. Yeah, maybe where you went to eight cities.

And then he pulled out on me, man. Then I had to do it in.

That first press tour. Again, Jake and I can relate to this. We've been doing press tours for movies for 25 years.

That would have helped me for sure.

Well, that's what I'm curious. I wasn't dialed in yet. So on that first press tour where UFC is like, you're the guy. We're going to commit some actual capital to this. We're going to send you around the country and raise some fervor for this live event, which set records.

It was the first time I had ever done that.

What was your learning curve on that? Like? I'm curious. You couldn't have started where I see you now, where you can go toe to toe with Mayweather and talk shit.

Well, you know, I was up against the pound for pound goat at that time. Jose Aldo, undefeated in ten years and an absolute menace in the octagon. People thought he was going to run through me. I thought otherwise. I had confidence at that time. He's a 28 year old man. I made him feel about 48. When he say he's past his prime, all this thing, it was all just trying to get into his head. I didn't do it, like, even thinking I was going to do it. I believe that also. You are over the hill. You're at the having too many wars. I was live at one of his fights against Chad Mendes, who I ended up fighting. It was an absolute war. It's a crazy game to fight game. That promo, when that world tour really set a precedent for the industry, we were still kind of fringe. Now I'm hearing that we're top four in the sports. So you got your american football, baseball and UFC now is top four, which.

Means it either passed basketball or NahL, I think is the other one.

I'm not sure now. This was someone from endeavor saying that, but I believe for me it is. For me, it's top one.

I love that. Even in early interviews, I was listening to one with you, and the guy is like, you know, they just said you're the fifth most recognizable sports star. Oh, it was Tony Robbins. And you go, that's a shit test. I think they got the data wrong. I'm number one.

That's it, man. You gotta have it.

Were you always that confident?

You just gotta fake it till you make it. I always felt that I was the man. That's the way I felt, that's the way I carried myself, and it worked. And as you're saying, Jake, about the forward of me rocking around and people like a fucking circus. Sometimes life is like a circus, like an animal in the cage. Although you're out and you're free, sometimes it's like you're in the cage.

But you do have two older sisters.

What does that mean?

I'll tell you, he's got an older sister, too. Okay, so probably the only nice part about you was implanted by those older sisters, right? Yeah. So they're relevant. The things we often are tackling in here, because I suffer from it, is like I'm from a blue collar shithole place in Detroit, I'm a fucking drunk. I want to know about the shit stuff people's been through that's now made them who they are today. I see that in you, that you're interested in that. So for me, the most pivotal moment I'm curious about is you walk into a boxing school at twelve. That's the first time you walk in. And I want to know why we walk in there.

I want to know that too.

Like most young boys, why they get into combat sport is to defend themselves. I was nervous in scenarios. I was attacked twice. It was from a rough area. I'm from a rough town, Dublin. Twelve. You get into fights?

Were you small for your age?

I was small enough. My hair was real blonde. I stood out like a sore Tom. I never got away with none.

And you sisters? No older brothers.

No older brothers. Now my older sisters have a fight themselves. It wasn't like I was a major thing, but I just wanted to be able to defend myself. I knew that was critical as a young boy growing up. It led me to begin to study the arts.

Do you remember the moment though? Like, is there a moment where you went, oh, oh, this feels right.

Why? I said, I'm going to a gym. Fuck this.

Everyone and everything they do, there's like the hard work, there's the moment where everyone goes like, well, I could do that. And like, well, are you willing to put in that work? Right? And with every job, and there's that moment where, you know, it doesn't matter, you just got to go back.

One of the moments, I think I've spoke this before, I was with this chick, right? I was young, she was about 16, she was older, and I was only about twelve to kill. And we were walking down the street and she had an older boyfriend who was older than me as well. These motherfuckers drive by me in a car, packed out about five or six of them, and your man jumps out and she's with the guy, but she's with me. Do you know that way? So I'm just standing on the road and I just threw a few shots and we just covered up and took the shots and leg out. Left with a yoke. We kept going and I think it happened again. The second time I grabbed a hold of him and end up in top position. I just rolled them over and then I got out. There was same thing as outmanned, outnumbered and outaged everything. And then I just said, no, I'm not letting that happen, man. Someone walks up me, they're not going to walk up on me twice. And that's straight, and straight into the gym. And I learned how to fight, okay?

So right now, this is the most exciting thing. So the reason I have to start getting involved with fighting this, I'm in 6th grade, and the most popular girl in 8th grade asks me out. Sasha cross, similar. And I'm like, oh, my God, what a miracle.

Yeah.

And then guess what? Every 8th grade boy fucking hated my guts. And so almost the exact same situation where it's like I let someone basically beat me up because I was afraid. And the pain, I try to explain this. Monica's like, why are you being bar fights? The physical pain for me doesn't even compare to the regret pain of not fighting back, trying to fall asleep at night going, fuck, you didn't even fucking fight back. That mental agony where you go, there isn't a broken nose that hurts as much as that. Was any of that happening.

I just wanted to get out of there. I said it was an outlet. Exactly.

There's a moment in life a dude might decide that the back down, mental agony and regret, you'll never experience that again.

Who wants to be the motherfucker that backs down? What chick is going to be wanting to be with the guy that backs down?

What's so great about him is how he's been in defeat. I would say one of the things that makes him such an interesting personality and showman and what I really admire is watching him in defeat.

No, that's the most mind blowing part of it all.

Sorry, I don't mean to.

We're definitely, and my analogy is George Foreman. The story of Ali Foreman. And up to that point, George Foreman is undefeated. He's such a heavy hitter. He's the baddest motherfucker on planet Earth. Ali beats him, he goes into a depression for like five years. It ruins his own identity. You're in a game where you're going to get losses. It's not like boxing in that you're going to pick up some losses. But you've had some streaks that ended. And in those streaks, I imagine you felt that same indomitability. What did it do to you emotionally and mentally when you would suffer one of those defeats?

It's never noisy. You start just playing back everything, but it happens.

But it kills some people.

It kills some sunrises the next day. I wouldn't let the fear of failure, I'd urge everyone, don't let the fear of failure stop you from going out and experiencing it and doing things that frighten you, that you may lose. The sun rises the next day, we go back and we go again. This is what martial arts is. Guess what? Every single martial artist, every single UFC fighter you see right now has gone through a million losses inside the gym. You get beaten the gym every fucking day. It is what it is. It can happen. It's about adjusting and coming back. But I appreciate you saying that, Jake. Oh, yeah. I only have a few fucking losses. They're overplayed. People want to downplay my success. I'm coming up on 20 knockouts in professional mixed martial arts history, a feat that very, very few have. Along with all the world titles won, 20 professional Kos is a huge feat. So I focus on the good. And if I think about everyone I've fought in the octagon more than once, I've smoked. I upended Nadia after he beat me. I koed Poirier in 60 seconds, and I was walking him like a fucking dog in a lead in the second for you, yes, but caught the leg.

Caught lucky. And then the toward when he was getting broke up as well.

This is the moment that happens when someone's had an edge on him.

And then he's like, no, I'm sitting here like that. Yeah, keep thinking. But kind of this to control this animal in me as well. Because I tell you what, if I didn't commit everything to it and I was partying away while I was training, which I've done it. I've done it all. I've partied on fucking fight week, and then I've lived like a monk. I've done them both and I've had varying runs on both. So it's not even about that. But I think for my own good, if I didn't dial in and it didn't go my way, which can. Anything can happen. I'm very, very confident the opponent lines up that I have. I like the level I'm at now, skill wise, and what my recent work is. But if I didn't give it my all and it went my way, I don't think I'll be able to live with myself. I'd really be disappointed in that. Whereas if I gave it everything and I took it, I'd say, now, enjoy the entertainment, people. You're welcome. Because at the end of the day, we're giving something for the people.

Life is this big arching story and your fighting's a part of it. But what is amazing, and Ali had this. Ali lost, and then he'd come back and he'd lost in the overall, it doesn't. No. Do you think anyone's looking back and saying, ali's the greatest?

He was. In what manner? Like, boy, do you think that?

Do I think he's the greatest?

Not.

Yeah, because he beat every kind of guy.

Because I was asked, what's my favorite movies of Jake? He was asked, what's his favorite fight of mine? And he said something that I was surprised by, but it's actually accurate. It's bigger than fighting. It's the whole thing is what he was saying.

Like, if you step back, you're looking at the micro. Like you're talking about this, this fight and that fight. And I'm saying, as the macro lens, when you pan out, I think you will. If you're not already, you probably already have the gratitude, but when you look back on the deathbed, you're like, oh, all those little chapters. And I made the story super interesting, and I doubted myself, and I refound my courage, and I went right back at the same guy. That's a much more complex and colorful and interesting life.

Well, there's a reason some people supersede the sport. If you don't know the sport, but you know the person.

Is he the only UFC fighter you know?

I don't know anything about?

And Jake's the only actor you know?

Right, exactly.

Did you just learn that I was an actor? Monica just learned that I was an actor.

Yeah. Which you are. Which you are. I do have a question for you, because I want to know how universal this thing is. A girl made me feel inadequate, basically, and that made the trajectory.

Well, not a girl. A girl made me feel, from a.

Physical standpoint or disguided you.

I just mean the thing that you guys both connect with. Do you have that? Did the trajectory of your life change because of this male competition? Probably for me, yeah, for you, for sure.

Are you saying that happened to you also?

No, I'm trying. Yes. Jake's saying he doesn't have disposition, so.

I'm wondering, yeah, I'd like to sing and stuff also.

Context. Context. You grew up in Hancock park, right?

Definitely a fair share of fights, but, yes, I hear what you're getting at. It's not the same.

Every kid I went to school with, his dad worked on the line at General Motors, right? And they taught him, you fucking punch that kid in the mouth the second he says something. It's the Kentucky culture of pride that's all up north. Like, it's a different thing. And there were five, six fights a week in school. And then there's scheduled fights at the Milford cinema on Friday night.

I have this deep respect for that because it is so different from the world which I grew up to. Answer your saying, Monica, I think I grew up with this different type of expression. There was a focus and a honing in and a consistency every day in trying to understand a different kind of craft. So I get that when you perform and you're on stage and the energy of that and what you get back from an audience, there are similarities, but there are not the same ones, though I admired that, particularly in the space of growing up and going, what's this world I didn't know anything about. So I went and played all these roles and learned from all these people.

You've been special forces, you've been all these hyper masculine things, but to learn.

From people like him. Remember when I was sitting next to Eminem, when I did this movie southpaw, and he did the music and we did all this press together, and I was like, what the hell? I've listened to all his music. How am I sitting next to this guy? Like, this is crazy. Brought me to people like that. But I've admired what you're saying, and I've looked in those worlds, and I'm still trying. That's why when we were fighting, right, I don't have anywhere near those skills. But what I was trying to understand was I wanted to learn from him. You get to learn from the best.

It's comical that this was your literally.

Ying and yang, isn't it?

No, it is.

You're a great man, Jake. You're a great lad. Serious. For real. I make me feel like a bad guy. You do a little bit, but it's good, though. It just works, doesn't it?

No, it's a beautiful. It's a beautiful pairing.

And he'll decide it and he'll come up with it, but it fucking works.

I watched the movie two nights ago and I text him, and I'm like, dude, hats fucking off. Any real human that stands across from Conor McGregor, and I believe for half a second he might win. It's almost impossible. I don't know why he let them cast.

I don't know why either. I literally don't. I got the call. I remember where I was because I knew they were chasing him for a long time. And there was a part of me that was like, oh, my God, that'd be amazing. And I was like, oh, my God, I don't want that to happen. And then I was like, then I get the call everyone was so excited, and it was like they accepted the offer. You bought the best house. And I was like, absolute fucking buyer's remorse.

Yeah. I was like, oh, my God, now.

We have to do this.

Let's just say it's like you're playing a snowboarder in a movie, and your competition, Sean White, is in the movie, and you're like, really? No one's going to buy this.

You want them to face replace you on Sean White. But to be up against. I mean, there was this moment, though, like, when we did meet up for the first time. He had really tried to stay in the space of who the character was. He's this wild nature, like in that space that you see when he first enters. And so he was like that as another actor, I could understand why he wanted to get in that space. He's like, I'm in it. I'm fucking Knox. And he's in the corner. He's like, I'm ready to take you out.

Definitely wasn't a little afraid.

I was trying to figure out whether this is a character, but then I was like, wait. Yeah, but I talk all the time about. Okay, so we try and get into the space because I think the octagon is a sacred space, and I think that in front of the camera is a sacred space, too. When you're in there, you go, okay, you talked a game. Now he's in your space, and now he's about to present this thing to you. He's been working on a character, and what are you going to do?

Cower in your head? You have to go, like, all act fucking circles around you, bitch.

Let's go.

You got to dial into your own.

In my head, I went, I've spent 30 years doing this.

Yes. Let's party.

Spent 30 years doing this. Let's party. They're two different, but that's the look that we have each other perfect for.

It's so much bigger than a microcosm of what's happening in the actual movie.

To go back to the way Jake was raised. Enviably, his mom's an artist, his dad's an artist. He's free without any fear of being emasculated by pursuing that inside of him. That's beautiful.

Yeah.

So I started there, and I've been trying to let go of all the.

Shit trauma, like, from years.

Yeah. Walking into a room and going like, what guy is okay? I got to keep my eyes on him. Always prepared, like you were saying, waiting, waiting, waiting, waiting. When's this shit going? To hit the fan. What's my plan? Everywhere I go and trying to accept that my life has gotten good. I'm 49. I ain't hanging out at the Millford cinema. I don't really have to have that anymore. And I've been watching you. I'm so fascinated by you. You're such a fascinating human being on planet Earth. And I know, dude, I was broke as shit. You got the fucking money, you got the cars. You drove like a knucklehead. You got the boat, you got it all. I know we had two fantasy. I know we had the fantasy. I'm going to get this shit and I'm going to feel this way. And then you get the shit and you're like, why don't I fucking feel that? Did you have that experience?

For sure. It goes back to then the love of what you're doing and what vehicle you used to get you there. I use my love of martial arts and being in great shape and being physically ready to compete against another well trained individual. Once you acquire all of these things, you kind of just revert back to what you are. Then I wake up. I like to get my training in. I like to get my good food in. I'm sharpened in the mind. I'm fresh. Then I go about my business throughout the day. I go back in. Then later in, in the evening, you get another training session in. It's the same as what I was doing anyway. It's around nicer surroundings, but it's the same thing. That's why I always say, understand right now, young at leads or young aspiring actors, what you're doing right now, this second, you might not have a pot to piss and you might have no money. You might have really bad surroundings. But what you're doing right now is what you will be doing when you achieve it. So carry yourself as if you have achieved it, because you have.

You're living the dream. That kind of took the edge off for me as well.

I imagine you have to ask yourself, I know what got me here. You look back, we know. Is that what will keep me here?

Yeah, it's a different time.

Who do I want to be for the next chapter? I think that's an interesting question for you.

I've wrestled with answer to that. I'm probably just an addict to the fight game. I'm addicted to the fight game. I just want to get in and I want to test myself. There's more in me.

This is going to be the hardest question I ask. Was there a sweet boy, though? That was twelve who that girl liked, who you had to kind of fucking put away and start on this other path that maybe as you're a father and you think of your next chapter of your life, do you want to let that little boy out? That was sweet.

Maybe.

Not that you're not sweet. I'm not saying you're a monster.

Angry. I want to hurt nobody.

No.

It's such a beautiful business when you make that walk and you step your bare feet on the canvas. It's freedom for a person like me. Then you're challenging yourself. And then the lights, the action, the crowd.

I'm not saying fighting couldn't be a part of that. Yeah, you could still fight and then fucking. In therapy they call it not incorporating. What do they call it when you integrate? You would like integrate the little boy that had to go away at twelve?

I'd love a bit of that.

And then you were a model of dudes like, oh, no, I'll still knock motherfuckers out and I'll tell you, I'm scared of life and I'm scared of my wife being mad. That's interesting.

Yeah. Do you know what? Now that you say that, my children, my son, Conor Jr. My firstborn son, really brought that back out to me. And I look at him with no trauma or no life experience. It's me as a young boy, blank canvas, how sweet I used to be. And then I start blaming people. Not blaming people, saying, your motherfuckers harden me or change me a bit. You know what I mean? But see, the way you're saying you're dealing with life's trauma, I have that as well. We all have our trauma that we're dealing with. I got into this stage in life of trying to think of why the person done that to me or why they were that way to me. And then trying to understand from their standpoint, men, we have compassion for them. And I felt empathy. And that was it then, yeah, the.

Dudes were fucking with me. Their dads were kicking their ass.

Exactly. Or even my own father had a lot going on through his life. I caused him to be a certain way. I always just tried to understand that. Then as I got older, said the things he went through, made him in this way. It just made me a lot more forgiving, a lot more acceptable. Not anything bad with my father. It wasn't great. My father was angry, man, at times, angry at his situation. Now I look at him, I came back from my people and now he's a little happy SAP, rocking around with the money in the pocket and all. I tried to see it from other people's. Why are they like that? How people are with you is more of a reflection of them than it is of you, 1000. So if you kind of understand it brings you to ease, brings you peace.

But the fatherhood, for me, this has been the most illuminating for who I am. I have two girls, so I haven't had to decide if I'm going to tell them. Like, listen, man, whoever hits first generally wins. You get some shit, you swing. If I had a son, I got to decide what I'm going to pass on, right? I have a girl and it's already come up where someone's talking mean to her and how am I going to tell her? And I'm at this crossroads where it's like, do I want this little person to have to go down the same road as me?

I know.

Or do I want to go? No, that's actually not the world they're in. That's not me protecting them by giving him this skill set. I just imagine you with a boy have to be deciding, do I teach him how to be me or do I trust that the world's beautiful enough that he doesn't need it because it comes with a price.

I have them in class. I deal my own training with them. Life has to show itself at some point.

What, do you wrestle with it? I guess my daughter's in. She trains with Cecilina Gracie, one of the Gracie daughters.

Jujitsu is a really great martial art, especially for women. For know, you get a jujitsu lady, wrap you up in a bow, man.

Yeah, they're doing crazy stuff.

There's no danger. So we've got some more champions in our gym, some female world champions, but train martial arts, pray nothing happens. It's all peace and flowers and love and happiness and hope for the best, but prepare for.

Yeah, it's just tricky.

Connor, my old 26 is very artistic. I could see acting school or some sort of school of performing arts. I'd love to send my child, him and my daughter Kria, do irish dancing.

Oh, wonderful.

I used to do irish dancing in my school, but these are real competitors that do this. They're world champions in irish dancing. You ever seen irish dancing? But in my head I'm saying, that's going to be great for his fighting. Yeah, he's going to be light, but he doesn't want to fight. He said it to me many times. I don't like training. I don't want to fight. Sean you don't have to. Yeah, but trust me, there'll come a time. If you have it in the back.

Pocket, you have to river dance.

I'll tell him.

There will come a time where you'll have to river dance, my friend.

If there's four guys, you're not going to win. So start river dancing. Maybe you can win them over.

That's my technique.

Oh, my God.

Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare. Okay, first of all, the movie's fucking rad.

Just watched it.

Yeah, I watched it two days ago, and then I'll be tonight at the premiere and I'm moderating.

Well, I've not heard from many people, only one or two that have watched it outside of the cast, but I'm.

Biased because one of my very favorite movies of all time is the original.

To hear your thoughts then, because I was aware of that, you know, I knew there's people with a magnifying glass that would be very critical of it. I think they're going to be happy. I don't think there'll be no issue with it. I think people, we actually delighted. And it's another addition to the Roadhouse family, and it's an honor.

I have a question for you. Actually going in. You know, people in it, you have ties and stuff. Like, yeah, when we talked last year.

I was interviewing him, and he just randomly goes, yeah, I was in a scene with Conor McGregor. And I go, what the fuck? Were you in a scene with Conor McGregor for it? He goes, oh, we're redoing Roadhouse?

He was like, why the fuck are we talking right now? He literally was like, why am I talking right now?

Why isn't Connor, well, also, just, like, making one of my favorite movies of all time, and I fucking know it inside and out.

Watch, think about it with the new one and the old.

I just wanted to ask you, because as a fan, it's very important to me because you are a true fan of OG Roadhouse. We've been in the middle of this conversation about, oh, what's it like to redo? And I'm like, well, we didn't redo it. We reimagined it as everyone sank. But then there's also mirrors of things that happen.

Listen, let's just get to the spirit of it. We're going to tell a story that the solution to everything is knocking someone out. Classic.

What's the be on end of it?

Everyone's hot. The stakes of it are like, I don't know. This person wants to build a risk, okay? That's not the priority. Let's start breaking glass at the bar. Let's get some good music in. Let's get some fucking motorcycles and let's swing and make out with chicks. I mean, the spirit of it, he.

Didn'T really do that, though.

He did a little.

Still going on with it. It could have been a little bit more. We understand the times we're in. I taught that myself as well. That could have been a bit more that. Me picking up the chick. They own the dancing. The whole team was on the Floyd.

Once they cast Connor, wheat started to lose time.

But when we started talking about it eleven months ago, I was saying, of the many things I liked about it, Patrick Swayze was a peak.

Powers, what a man.

He was so awesome. He was a gymnast, he was a firefighter, he was an outsiders. Yes.

Dancer.

He was a football player. And what took him out of being a professional football player or he played in college is he destroyed his knee. And in dirty dancing he has to jump off the stage. And if you watch the doc about it, he went over and over and every time he landed just collapsed, like in so much fucking pain.

This is what I love about you. Not only are you obsessed with Roadhouse, but you also love dirty dancing because of Swayze.

He likes documentaries.

Have you seen outsiders, Swayze?

For me, we haven't seen.

It's a gang movie. Francis Ford Coppola. It launched everybody. It launched Tom Cruise.

I love when that happens. He gets up now you can go watch them.

So he was the king. When I was a kid, Swayze was everything.

So okay.

He makes all the decisions in the movies he's making at that time. He makes roadhouse and he gets out of bed naked. We watch him walk all the way over to the dresser and we're just seen as ass cheeks.

This is Swayze.

No, no.

Swayzer. But you.

I don't even know that you know that. That was a nod to the most memorable.

I wouldn't do it. So they asked you to do it.

You look at your ass. I always thought it was something to do with Arnold Schwartz. I might have been telling people no, because Swartzegger came in that way.

Terminator.

Well, that's what I was telling myself. Look, Arnie done it. I tell you, people are going to be shocked at that. No one knows really that.

So not only is he nude and he walks to the thing and he's in a medium shot. Then they put a different lens on.

Close up of his ass. He squeezes it. Yes.

He does.

I was like a twelve year old going like, do I like this?

But what's he doing?

Why is this happening?

I think I like it.

I said to Jake when we talked about the movie eleven months ago, my first question was, are we going to see your ass cheeks clan? And he said, no, if we'd have known.

You do and the first walk away, you do no on the first walk away, just your basic walking stance.

It's basically clanch, bridge, freeze. I'm rocking down the fucking thing.

I'm going to argue that you actually topped it. Okay, so I'm going into the movie hoping we're going to see something that nods to this. And then we meet Connor jumping out of a window. He's clearly with someone else's woman. He's bare naked. It's a through line of his life and artistic work.

Look at that.

You've really hit on something.

So not only did we get the butt cheeks, but Connor, well fucking done. There'll be a twelve year old that's having the same experience I had when.

I was twelve or you always clenched.

He was doing it.

The classic Conor McGregor walk.

I was just walk.

Say he does his walk and then he does even.

I just hope I.

It was, you know, without good glutes.

That is true.

You got to be strong. It's the center of your being. Right.

Well, I'll tell you how. Okay, now this is for you, Jake. So I have once gotten in the shape you got in for this movie. You got in insane shape.

Congratulations.

Thank you so much.

No, it's glorious.

You always look great, by the way.

Fucking buffet of mussels. But what I know, mussels is really good.

What I know, first time anyone's ever.

Said that buffet of mussels is fantastic. That should be the like Colon roadhouse. Colon buffet of mussels. I think that's good.

All you can eat.

Me and Connor eating mussels.

All you can eat buffet of mussels.

It's an ocamry.

No, it's audio.

Audio, baby. Yeah.

We want people to be comfortable not worrying about how they look.

We edit it too.

This show is fantastic. You're on a fantastic show.

There's a lot of noise out there. We got the one taxi drivers back. There's so many.

They're champs. Okay, back to your body.

Yeah.

So I know what you went through and I'm going to say, because I did this for chips, right, and I had a butt shot in it, but once I cut to get ripped, my ass cheeks disappeared. Now, here's the difference between an actor and a champion. Somehow he was cut like that, and then his fucking ass cheeks were banging. I know, that's the difference, right? You would have been bummed with your buns at that weight.

Yeah, well, I stay pretty consistently in shape all the time. Mental and physical health, that's important for me. I always stay, as we say, when I train about two to three weeks out, I like staying in that space, and if I have to do something more extreme for something, then I'll do that and then I'll change.

Would you say, though, this was peak of your career?

Yes, absolutely. We had a team. We had somebody cooking for me. The right calories, everything. We trained an hour and a half before work. But the truth is, on this movie, I had to stay in this weird space where you looked esthetically in the right place, but you also had to function. That first headbutt we did, for instance, we did that 30, 40 times. We did some of these fights.

Double leg. I'm turning around our face to come out and trom over the bar. The walk was hard. Yeah, I was taken back at how hard the fucking walk was.

That surprised me when you were like, I come from a tough game.

Jake has 16 projects on the go right now in motion. I cannot understand how you can have that much walk on.

He's like, oh, when I fight, I fight for 30 minutes. I got trained and I fight for 30 minutes. He's like, we have to do this.

114 hours, four days in a row to get one sequence.

But, yeah, you're right. The difference between obviously a professional athlete and me is that your glutes have to be ready to go all the time.

My ass was going to be on the show. I put a couple more plates on the squat.

How much workout.

Though? We talked about this last time you were here. You love a regimen.

I do love a regimen.

And in fact, weren't we saying, like, maybe that's something you were trying to sort of taper back a little bit?

Well, we talked. I had already made this movie.

He was recovering from this movie.

Yeah, but at the same time, too, you get to an age and you're like, I love what I've learned from my body. I loved what it shows you and teaches you. Sometimes I'll be on a run and I'll be like, man, I don't know how long I'll be able to do this. I am grateful for this.

Are you? 43, 43. 43. Yet you start realizing, well, if I don't do this now probably. I'm not going to be able to do it in five years, or I'm not going to be able to do it in six years. Your brain shifts, somehow your mortality becomes a reality for real.

And so to me, I was like, this is an amazing opportunity. At a certain point, I thought, this is fun. I have a team of people I know we kind of gathered all together, and I've never done that before. Every other movie I've done, I've eaten whatever I need to eat myself. I have had a trainer I've trained, and I thought, there's an opportunity here.

Let's go full Marvel movie, full force. Connor, your physique, how much of it is just from having done the sport you've done and how much do you actually lift and train?

But I did no martial arts training. I just kind of benched the martial arts. I put it to the side, and I was just lifting.

You were lifting?

Lifting heavy as a motherfucker. I was doing that anyway because I had the leg injury, so I was lifting a lot.

Let me tell Monica. His last fight, his tibia got snapped in half, and it was visible in the fight. It was one of the grossest tough injury.

It's probably the toughest in the game.

Oh, my God.

I was just lifting heavy anyway. And then the call came, and then I just lifted that extra bit heavier, and then I just tidied up the diet and voila. Rocked in.

That's so chest and fucking trash. What weight were you in that?

Every fighter will tell you this. I have a mad relationship with the scale from putting weight 145, 155, 170 after the fight.

Can I just tell Monica real quick? He's the only guy in UFC history that was holding two different belts at two different weight classes. So he's fighting at one weight one month, and then six months later, he's fighting a completely different way. And so he'll have to cut 15 fucking pounds sometimes even within.

It's not a nice portion of the game. It should be monitored a bit.

Yeah, because they have to hit the weight at weigh in 145. Right. And then he'll start drinking water and come fight night, just two days later, he might be 15 pounds heavy even.

And not even two days later.

Those injuries come from some of that.

We all have a relationship with the scale. I was in the Beverly Hills hotel because that's why I had a villet after the surgery, because I had the surgery in Los Angeles. So I'm in an electric wheelchair, wheeling myself to the Beverly Hills gym down into the Beverly Hills hotel gym and just getting onto a bench and lifting.

That was my favorite thing is he's like, I wasn't in shape for this movie. I just lifted. There's a moment where I try and choke him out, and I'm on his back, and he runs backwards and slams me into the back of the wall and then throws me on a table. I don't know what the fuck he's like when he's actually in shape. That was insane.

What weight would it have been that time?

I'm usually around 192.

Yeah. I don't know what weight I was, man. That's the truth. I decided I am not even looking at a fucking scales again. And I haven't since that time I stepped on weight to make that weight for that last fight. I have not touched the scales once.

Do you want to, though? Do you not get curious?

I don't care. I called and said the fight is going to be at 185 pounds against Chandler. Oh, it could be 171.

Where do you sit? Where do you sit then normally? Like, right now, you think?

I don't know, man. I haven't checked.

Rob, get the scale.

I say you'll give or take. I feel like I'm coming back down because I'm doing more.

I think you're coming back down.

Yeah, I'm definitely coming back down. I'm doing more martial arts walk. In fact, I haven't been lifting at all, really. I'm doing more martial arts walk. Getting the kick snappy, getting the balance walk. Ready. I know what's ahead of me. So the body's getting naturally trimmer. I'm probably about 180, maybe. I'd say give or take, but we.

Have a fact check on this show, so we'll need you to go weigh yourself.

I'll do it for you. It's coming soon. I'm going to wait La Petty's festivities happen, and then I'll.

But who knew that Michael Chandler in the promo video for the UFC fight that I did. That's also in the movie. Chandler came to the Dr. To be my opponent that I knock there. Yeah, you were there. I had no idea.

Forgive my ignorance. Are you fighting him next?

Well, I mean, that's what I'm saying.

You're coming back, right? To the UFC?

Yeah. Two fights left on my UFC contract. I'm in a lovely position. I'd love to renegotiate with UFC. I'd love to figure something out. I'm the highest paid UFC fighter of all time. But even despite that, I'm the most underpaid UFC fighter.

Well, when you fought Mayweather, you made a hundred and some million figures.

I bring in, I'm the most underpaid fighter in history, so it's fine. I'm rich as shit. I've made hundreds upon hundreds of millions of dollars. I have businesses trending towards millionaire status. But what happens now? I have two fights left in the UFC. Do I go to the finish, become a free agent, then McGregor promotions happens, then I can pick who I can fight. I can pick where.

Do you like looking at young fighters? And you like thinking about that?

Like what? To fight?

No, no, to manage them or.

For sure. I have a management agency also part of our sports. We manage some great fighters. We have champions on the roster. Also, one of our guys is making his UFC debut tomorrow night. Michael Venom. I sponsor athletes. I sponsor.

You did do that when we were working. He'd look at myself and he'd be like, no, it's all that, right? Just a little bit that way, and then come back, and then you're going to grab me. Take me just higher. Bring your arms up, Connor. You can say that. You would want to promote me. You can say it. You can say it on the show.

I think maybe both of us.

Both of us should be on paradigm. I feel like, right, I'm just going to, like, river dance and then you can.

I'm making so much money. You can swim in it.

I just want to dance in it.

I'll tell you what, I will make you fucking as much, if not more, than you make for a movie. And it's only 30 minutes. It ain't fucking ten months.

Oh, you mean in the ring? He's saying in the ring?

In a ring.

If he wants fucking more money than he makes making a movie.

I know.

I watch the money that Jake, Paul and these Paul brothers have generated, and I'm like, I'd fight Zach Brown.

It's not selling. Now.

I think you should start a whole series that is just actors fighting. And I want to be your.

Yeah, that's.

But again, like I said, I will dance. I'll river dance and I'll do other things.

You're dying to fight?

Yeah, of course.

I'm a part of this thing called Train Alta. It's essentially regular people who have regular jobs and they dedicate. I think it's six months you have to deal of their life to training for a fight, and then they fight in a show and train Alta show. And it is hugely successful. It's growing at a rapid rate. We're going to the New York Stock Exchange shortly to announce it to the public market. And what it does also is it's boosted martial arts gyms around the world because they're taking on the program. People are signing up, regular people, and they're getting loads of new members. Loads of people are like yourself. I haven't questioned yourself. You could do that. You train and you learn together, and then you match and then you fight.

Don't you want to know if Monica's ever fought? I want to know if you've ever.

That's a good question.

No, never.

Have you ever wanted?

Well, actually, that's not fair. I fight all the time with my words.

She fights me. I don't have a great record against her verbally.

I'm pretty good with. I won't finish that sentence, but, yeah, so I've never fought physical desire. I have a zero desire.

So when you watch movies, like, when you watch a movie like this, I.

Don'T mind seeing it. When Dax talks about fighting all the time in his fight stories, I definitely don't.

She hates them. She finds it on.

I don't find it hot. I will say, yeah, a professional sense is such a different thing. But, like, a bar fight.

Yeah, not good. 100%.

It's just like, enjoy yourself.

No. You want to get deeper psychological.

Yeah.

There's a real reason. So back when I was a drunk and I fought all the time at bars, there were girls that like that, but those were girls like me who grew up in an environment that was sterile, too.

Yeah.

And they want someone that's going to protect them because they got knocked around by dad or they got knocked around by an uncle. What's sad is you attract other people that are also hurt.

Totally.

Yeah.

It's not like my wife, who's not maladjusted or grew up in a lot of violence. I beat a guy up on the sidewalk one day when we were driving to an event, and she fucking hated it. I'm like, that dude threw a fucking glass at our window. He could have hurt you. She's like, no, we were fine. You didn't need to do that. That was way to be.

It's not nice. I'm a happy drunk, by the way. I don't fight a lot, to be honest. The only way I will ever really fight in a bar or out in an open space, if there's a tretroy on me.

Yeah.

Now, if I've gone, the mind is gone. Anything can happen then.

But also, I want to say there's also a reason I would never fight, because everyone had their own scary environments. I didn't have any physical fear growing up, but I had a lot of, like, I have to be accepted. So I was not ever going to be in a situation to fight because I would do anything to be liked. I'm not going to be the person to fight.

You can find safety many ways.

Exactly. And for me, safety was being liked by most people as possible. So fighting was not on the radar.

Outside of the fighting. To me, I love the physical part of the training, the training for it, mentally also, and even sparring. It takes you to a different level because it does something in your nervous system, in your mind, in your body, all of it together is working. So outside of the fight itself, the training, I love it. It pushes you to a place. It fortifies you in other areas of your life. It gives you the opportunity to see how far you can push your mind and your body. And fight training is really the only space where you can do that in that particular way.

Get addicted to it. If you got a competition under your belt and you felt that experience in that rush, there's no adrenaline rush like it.

Oh, my God, you're going to join UFC.

My explanation of fighting is I have never lost a fight because I've only been fighting the fear in myself. So if I can not be afraid, I can't lose. I can get beat up. That's the truth for me. So everyone gets to decide, and it's great for everyone to make their own decision, but for me, only thing I'm fighting is fear. So I can't have my nose broken. It's crooked. I got missing.

I always say, once you make that walk, you're a winner. Once you make that walk.

Yeah, because I only have to defeat the voice in my head.

No, guys, nobody ever wins a fight.

Yes, that's a good line.

I just been trying to get it in there. Every fucking second I've been trying, you're like, you won't even let me.

That's all I wanted to say. That's a pro best line, 70 press junkets. That's what a pro does. Like, when you throw that left hook, that's your thing. What he just did is his left hook, right? Okay, I do want to talk about, the fight sequences are so fucking radical. Doug Lyman, I wish he was here. What an incredible.

I hope he's got. We all deserve to be here.

He did an incredible job and he told me. I found it hard to believe he hadn't even seen the original movie, but regardless, there's so much physical fighting and reenacting of fighting. Did you get hurt? A bunch. And also, was it hard for you to snap into movie version?

I was definitely acting and playing a role for sure. And as far as did I get hurt was as tough as I've ever fucking experienced. Me and Jake were fighting on a little dinghy in the middle of the ocean. Yeah. And I have this fucking anchor, and I swing the anchor, and then both veers, I get thrown off. But not only that, when I land in the water, the camera was there. There's a thing online. It's a white siberian tiger jumping into the sea or into a pool or something to grab a bit of meat. You ever see that?

Yeah, on Instagram.

I wanted to get that when I got in the water, but that wasn't the finish of it. It's a speedboat, and it's going fucking teared in the fucking shoulder. Shoulder surgery on the right shoulder about eight months ago. That really accentuated because I was tearing the fucking shoulder down me socket. It's a damn tough business. Well, again, especially a movie like that. Now, I'd imagine you're sitting on a rom.com type of thing.

They're probably handy.

I don't know. You'd know, Jake, but that one was fucking handy.

Sometimes in those scenes, we're fighting on the floor, we're fighting around tables. We're fighting around glass, even if it's breakaway glass. You know, the car goes through the.

You drive the truck into the.

Into the.

Because not everyone into the bar, into the roadhouse. Ding, ding, ding.

I have to jump over the bar as the car crashes. But Doug wanted to do in a very particular way because he didn't want it to look the way it usually looks. So I go over the bar, that CGI, that truck coming in. But we had to do the whole thing, the doors opening and all shit. And so then I get up. I'm supposed to have sort of been a little bit out of it. I put my hand on the bar, fucking straight glass. But the take, I knew was good because we were cutting right before and they didn't cut. So I was like, around the corner. I was like, we're not doing it again. I felt the glass go into my hand. So that's the part where I slammed the door in his leg.

Yes.

Over and over again.

So I have to just finish that off so he can get to that point. I remember the feeling went, that's a lot of glass. And I just finished the fucking take and I just finished a day and got to the thing, stuff like that all the time. I mean, staff from grappling and all that.

You get those types of injuries.

Did you get an infection?

Yeah, clean. I thought it came from. Remember that scene where you come with.

A piece of wood? You only got it after, did you?

I kept grabbing. I was on the ground and ground grabbing you as you were at me. And I grabbed your arm and I thought, oh, maybe I injured, but my whole arm sold up. It ended up being staff.

Oh, shit. Wow.

You got to watch with that staff.

There were things like that that happen all the time. But gratefully I was really, really trying to take care of everything that we did and my body while we're doing it. I didn't sustain any major injuries.

He didn't break anything.

He is a testament to the team I was working with.

Yeah. Who's the crew of stunt dudes?

Gareth Warren. Garrett Warren coordinator.

Very, very good.

Steve Brown's our fight coordinator.

Has he been with Lyman forever?

No.

Garrett and Steve.

Avatars. There's fight scenes in Avatar?

Yeah, there are, but they do a lot of waterwork too. So actually.

Like a cartoon.

But actually they designed this like four pass system that we did for the movie. Garrett designed this thing where basically you do the Hollywood pass of the fight in a take, right. So you do the angles for the camera and then you do the next pass where there's a pad. So the pad then replaces Connor. So then I hit.

You can punch. For real?

For real. So you see the impact on my body. Then it switches and then it's the punches hitting Connor. So then we take the pad and hit Connor with the pad so his body responds. Then we do the last pass, which is a slow motion pass. It's like when you're kids and you're play fighting.

I've never seen that in the movie. I've never seen the connection like that in a movie. So we're forced to that, which is big. I was trying to explain that forepasting in an interview there. You just done it way better.

I have a video of Chandler that we did because we were testing it out and I'm just hammer fisting him. It's in the corner of the octagon for just a clip. And it's really funny working with real fighters because with him you asked before and I think it's really interesting. He didn't know how to fake fight. You get to learn how to fake fight. And the same thing with Chandler. I'm fake hitting Chandler, and he's resisting as you would. He's keeping his neck stiff enough so that he don't knock him out. And we're going, you need to play like you're getting hit. And so to unlearn that for a fighter is like telling you to go against all your instincts.

I'll say something and people can look out for it in the movie. In a scene where you jump on the back and you hand the choke and I smack you on the table and I'm trying to get out of it, right? Yeah, you were actually choking me. You told me like that. And his foot, you put your hooks in. Put your hooks in so you have full control of the person. I was trying torn into you as I was getting choked. And the hook was there stuck, so I couldn't. I was like this. I had to let go, get the hook out and then torn. That's as real as it gets. Yes.

He told me to do it like that. So he was like, you want to really get me?

Just do it like this and wrap.

Your legs around me. And I was like, okay, sure. And then I do, and he's like.

What the fuck are you doing? I got out. He was escaping.

If I were you, I'd be living the whole time in fear of, like, when am I going to accidentally trigger his real response? Because something happens.

It's not an emotional response. It's a fighter's response. And so to me, that's the thing that I had to understand. And there were a number of times I remember having to say to you before we start the scene, I'd be like, remember, you don't have to actually hit me.

And he would say.

He would literally go, yeah, I remember.

For the reminder.

Yeah.

Because I think in those moments, the instinct comes in. Remember that first thing we did? We did four or five combination, and then you come off camera and then you roundhouse me, right?

Yeah.

And I was supposed to block you. But early on, he was so psyched to do the scene. It was like his first day shooting me, too. He came running off camera and just roundhouse kicked me every time.

I remember that was my fear for you when I was watching. Like, does he know how to pull?

But this is the thing with him on set, he was so great. I turned to you and I said, you know, we're not on camera. And he was like, so in the character because I didn't really know where.

The camera is where that time.

Sure.

It was actually my very first take that I done in the water. You weren't there at this time. I came up out of sea after the boat crash. I had to swim to the fucking ladder. It was a wide shot or a long shot. I don't know what way he's calling the industry, but it was nowhere near me.

You didn't need to do any of it.

I'm under the water letting myself drown. I'm saying I'm coming out of this water like a torpedo. I just want that full body thinking, this is going to look so great on the movie. And I'd done like ten takes. I came out of water like a fucking torpedo. And then, okay, guys, now we're switching cameras. And I was like, wait, what? And I was absolutely exhausted. But it was actually time to do it. I was like.

That was a bit.

Of training as well.

It's kind of like, when does siegfried and Roy's tiger decide to bite? It's like that, right? Where it's, like, trained and it's fine, and then all of a sudden they're a tiger.

You catch him on accident on the button, and all of a sudden there's a real.

Only once, and by mistake, we looked at the shot and he was like, oh, there's this, and I can throw that right a little bit tighter. And if I throw that right a little bit tighter. And then you popped me and you.

Went, oh, I didn't mean to.

You took away.

That's minimal, though, for that much fighting.

What I realized is really, we were at different ends of the spectrum in that sense. And that the pacing of yourself in shots, understanding where the camera is, all.

The techniques of making a marathon, not a sprint.

Exactly. All that stuff that any professional athlete would tell anybody who's just an amateur in the same game, he would do the opposite. When we were in fights, when we were in fights, it was always that, you don't have to do that because you bring this leg up and you do it like that. And then he'll look back and he'll say that left was a little weak, maybe that straight, just a little stronger.

Just a little bit talk of the body, a little bit of torso work a little here. Jake knows how to throw a backhand, knows how to throw a jab. The wookie would have done with South Paul and his regular training. But as it went on in a flurry of combinations, one of them might have been a little bit off. I dialed a few little things and just made it come across way more venomous, way more realistic. We had a great balance together and a great chemistry and the shows in the movie.

So listen, when a professional athlete joins a movie, it's happened a bunch of times. We have a lot of examples of it. You're always like, how's this going to go? And I want to tell you, you're fantastic.

Thank you so much.

You're so.

Thank you. Appreciate that.

If you want to do it more and more, you will do it more and more. You're really, really confident, and you're not self conscious, and you're entertaining as hell.

The movie goes like this, doesn't it?

Comes in and he goes, how is it fitting into? And I wonder how calculated the overall thing. So it's like, you've got beer, you've got the whiskey, you've got nightclubs, you've got fighting, you've got clothes, acting. How does this play into the overall thing?

I'm a creator. I create and entertainment. So this would lend itself well to it. And let's see how it goes.

It's a huge pay decrease for you to spend your time.

You love.

I love movies.

I enjoyed the process. I'm enjoying this process. Who knows? What I will say is with confidence. My life is so far removed from regular life. As you said, it's like being an animal in the zoo. I feel like I'm so far detached as it is. I could play any role, and that helps me. So let's see.

Okay, so you reminded me of the first movie I ever did was without a paddle. And I didn't know anything. I didn't know how cameras worked. I didn't know I was supposed to stay in the same spot or that they did a wide. And then we had to do it again. I didn't know anything. And I was like, you, I'm trying to be the best editor. And Burt Reynolds is the movie, thank God. And he pulled me aside a couple times. He's like, I know you want to do this stunt. They're not going to see you. You're going to break your arm. I broke my back in this movie. No one could see know. He was, like, helping me along. But then he also told me this great fucking story. He was friends with Rocky Marciano. They were bros. And he said one time they were sitting at a bar and they were hammered. Rocky is seated, and Burt gets up to go to the bathroom, and he looks at Rocky and he thinks, I think if I just swung right now while he's sitting, I think I could knock him out. He said, as he was thinking it, Rocky turned and he said, bert, don't do.

He goes, he goes, you know what I was thinking? He goes, everyone around me will have that thought. Don't think that. And it made me think of you. And I was like, yeah. Do you have this sense that guys are just like, is this the moment? I. Do. You live with that little bit.

Fuck it.

But do you experience that at all?

Whether you're a fighter or not? Alcohol can make people like that. So it doesn't necessarily mean it's because I'm a fighter. People want to take a shot. That's the way people are.

But here's the irony. The irony is you get good at this so you can feel safe. You want everyone to know, like, move to someone else. There's an easier target.

Get left alone. So it kind of backfired a bit now because I want. No, never get left alone. I do have that at times. Yes. And I've done this. So people are leaving the fuck alone. Now I can't fucking go anywhere.

The irony of, you know what? I'm going to make it so clear that you're better off fucking with another person. And then. Yet that in itself makes these random people feel like, well, I'd be a legend for life if I could knock this stranger out. You kind of invite more.

Who would want to do that?

With a million dudes I know from Michigan, they would risk their life to have a story where they would risk their life for it.

They are risking their life for it.

Especially because they rock around with motherfuckers armed. Yeah. I'm not playing over here in the United States of America. I rock the logs to the shop. Yeah. Don't give a fuck. Don't mess in this country. You know what I mean? So that's it. Ireland. Probably not far off either.

Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare. Guys, the movie kicks so much ass. It has so much of the original DNA, which, of course, I'm a huge, huge fan of. Connor, you must feel flattered that not only was the first reverse nude scene.

So wonderful, you keep saying reverse nude, like there's a frontal. My irish compatrate, Bardie Kyowan, was butt naked in one of his recent movies, frontal.

I love him.

Yeah, he's great.

I know him well.

I know him since many years.

He's had a crazy story, right?

He's had a troubled one already, but he's still very well. He's a great actor.

He's a great actor.

But he done a bit of front. I mean, I don't give a fuck. Talk to me.

But I got to say, the ultimate compliment is they were like, you know what? That was so good. Let's fucking end this movie with another shot. That's how you know you've scored in a movie. When they decide to put you in the.

I didn't think of it like that. I was just happy not to be wiped out. And maybe there's an opportunity.

Well, as we educate you on this, let me just tell you, when they decide to go back to you with.

The titles, it means you've done good.

That means you pop.

That's great ideas.

Yeah.

That's so good.

All right. Well, boys, what is next? Do you think now that you like it enough, you'll try to do it again?

We've had no discussions about it. It's all still in the air. I'm sure an offer will come, and I'm interested to see what it is. Will we be bros? Will we have a task you guys need to do?

The Rocky?

I'm so interested because there's some incredible writers out there that can really make magic. And if there's a man that can make magic and two men, it's myself and Jake. So we'll be excited to do something like that.

I got to add, one other thing I forgot to say is the gift you gave the writers, which is normally they would have had to spend 15 minutes on your character to establish why you would be a threat to a guy who was seemingly undefeated in UFC and killed somebody. We don't really know why you're as tough as you are, other than it's Connor fucking McCray.

It's so meta. I mean, that's the thing about the movie that's so great. Meaning it just exists outside of the actual storyline and inside the storyline. That's also what makes the movie so fun, is like, you can't remake the OG.

Well, this is where this movie is superior to the original. Is that the bad guy in the original? It's not you. Patrick brings that movie home. But we don't have a comparable or equal as an adversary. Yes. And in this, we do. We fall in love with you. You don't want to be doing this suicidal. There's all these things about going sinister.

He is torn when he starts going crazy and putting the thing in the back of the head. That happens at the drop of a hat. Me and him are fighting, right? And I'm beating him bad. And at one stage, I look at him like, what the fuck is up with this guy? There's something wrong with this.

He's a psycho.

I looked at him like that, just not even part of the story or unbeknownst. And then Doug Lyman jumps in. Wait, hold on. That's it. And then the whole thing shifts, and then he becomes a bit evil. And then I almost become the likable guy, and it's just a weird fucking dynamic. I was shocked. That could happen in the making of a movie.

But stuff like that happens on Doug all the time. Even with Steven and Garrett. That first slap fight was just a punch fight. They wanted to be kind of funny, and I was like, oh, it's cool. But what if I just slapped the shit out of all them? And they were like, yes, we're going to redo that. Really re choreographed the whole thing.

By the way, you're telling so much about your character in that moment to choose slapping. It's like, you don't want to do this. You're not a bravado tough guy trying to dominate people. You have integrity. The difference between you punching them and slapping them in that scene, that your character has integrity.

Yeah. So good.

Yeah. It's so subtle and it can just be discovered and it's so powerful.

But the writers had. There are a couple columns of scenes that were always there that worked so well. But then there was always room for play. Even in the fighting, there was always room for play. So we were re choreographing moments in the moment. We'd have a shape of the fight, and then we knew Doug wanted to shoot things in longer takes than just, like, cutting for angles, cheating. And then we would do stuff and it wouldn't work. And then we'd recalibrate, and then he would come up with an idea. We'd look back, oh, that looks better. If I come over here, why don't I just throw a kick instead of a punch? And why don't I give you an elbow and then I'll grab you, and then we just do it. So for me, I'm not the best with remembering choreography. When I'd got to do it like an improv or someone told me, say the line like this. Go now. It was the same thing with the fights. So the fights have that spirit. Yeah, we did that one take, and it worked. Okay, cool. We did that. It wasn't exactly how we choreographed it.

Let's move on. Let's go to the next section. We did that the whole time.

Just made it so much more enjoyable. Sometimes you would hit a wall with the cardio and you were like, right, I'm done. And I'd be fucking exhausted also. So when he done that and he's the head, I was like, yes, thanks.

Because a lot of these fights happen at night. They happen at night. We were shooting fucking 04:00 a.m. I'd be like, few hours, guys.

It's going to be where I need to be back now for the day shoot.

He was like, 10 hours.

I work in January and then I work in July. That's exactly what he said. I'm coming back tomorrow.

We're not finished.

I bought last night. I'll see you in six months.

It's so true.

You said that to me.

How long was the shoot?

This is between two or three months.

Oh, he was only supposed to be there for five weeks. I was there for about ten weeks all in. So I doubled me yoke. I actually shaved my beard because I was like, all right. We dawn, it was wrapped. We had the fucking wrap. Happy days. And then I shaved a beard. And then I start getting phone calls.

I'll come back.

We do one more thing as you want to fucking put a story that mother shaving the beard.

Well, you guys crushed it. How nice is it to be up promoting something where you actually can be friends with 100%? You can go back and forth, right? You don't need unsolicited advice, but I'm going to give it to you. I think you're a very special person.

Thank you so much.

I'm 13 years further down the road than you, and you have the most special opportunity, which is like you've been building, building, and you're going to continue to build, and at some point you'll have built all the shit. And I think you'll find the joy in giving it away to people. Not the things, but helping the other people get to build their shit. And you have the most incredible opportunity because every boy loves you. You are the most masculine human being on planet Earth. And if you choose to bring in the twelve year old, sometimes you give permission to all those boys to bring in their twelve year old. And I hope you do that because you have the power. You're so powerful.

Appreciate it, man. Thank you so much. What would you say? Would you say, keep going? In this industry, in this business, the.

More you are able to be honest about the vulnerabilities and fears you've had and the things that scare you and the humanness you have, I think it allows another boy to go, yeah, me too, man. I'm fucking afraid, and I'm afraid of this. And I'm not allowed to even say it or I'm a pussy. So you're on this incredible ride. You're really special. And I think the more you choose to bring that in, that's a gift you could give. You have the ear of so many boys that no one has, and they're little. And what you would tell your son, feel free to share that out loud everywhere you go because it's really powerful.

Thank you so I appreciate that, man.

This has been such a pleasure, man. I didn't think I'd ever get to sit down.

So fun.

Would you believe this is my first podcast?

Well, we are all good.

I'm really liking the vibe. I have to say.

Yes.

They're not like this. I'm going to say something, actually, because I think the two of you are obviously just great human beings. And what you bring out in people in your show is so special. And I just love what you said and what you're doing every day is good stuff.

Thank you.

Like, really. It's really good stuff.

Right back at you.

Thank you.

Real. Recognize. Real. I like the hard work. So attractive.

Everyone here is so hot. Let's just say it. Let's just end on that.

This is a fucking smoke show. They bring in the fire extinguishers in a minute.

We should add cameras on the fire.

All right, love you guys. Good luck with Roadhouse. It's spectacular. It comes out March 21 on Amazon. I know everyone's a little bummed by that. I'm excited. I think the most amount of people will see it, and I want everyone to see it.

You think it's better for streamer?

I think more people see it. Well, there you go.

Isn't it really?

If you're in a position where you were trying to build some career and want box office data to demonstrate how much you should get paid, sure. I would want that for you. But if you're an artist and you want the most amount of people to have a blast on a Friday night and watch this, this is it.

Yeah. Deadly. Lovely.

I agree.

You know, when you think about it as a kid, I think about when I watched certain things on VHS.

Oh, fuck, yeah.

Some of the things that I love the most that lasted.

I mean, did you see Roadhouse in the movie?

No, I saw point break on VHS.

You feel like you own it. You have, like, ownership.

And I think it doesn't take away from that experience of going to cinema, because tonight when we go, I'm very.

Glad I get to do both.

Yeah, I can't wait to be in a room with those people watching this movie on a big screen.

It's going to be a party.

Let's go parties.

Yeah. I hope you pace yourself. It's a little early. Let's get you an eight ball so that you're awake for the started and ended on coke.

I love it.

All right, good luck. This was awesome. Stay tuned for the fact check so you can hear all the facts that were wrong.

Ready? Almost.

A few more chews left.

Just a couple more bites.

These bars are very chewy.

Yeah, they are.

Which I like.

You know how I feel about too chewy caramel. Not for me.

Ding, ding, ding. You have caramel pants on.

Yeah, I was going to fight that, but you're right.

You have caramel skin.

That I'll fight.

Why?

It's not that yellow color.

Yeah, that's fair. What would you prefer?

It's brown skin.

Brown skin.

My skin is brown.

Brown skin. I'm talking about your brown skin. I don't know where your stops and where mine begins.

What's that?

There's a beautiful song. I feel very excluded about it because it's two brown skin lovers and they don't know where one starts and the other ends. And you would know if you were brown skin. You're with me. It would be stark, like. Oh, gross.

Yeah. You're not a part of that song.

Jesus, turn the lights down in here. India ari.

Yeah, India ari.

Go ahead and hit us with a little bit of that.

There's also a brown skinned girl.

Leon Bridges.

Leon Bridges song. That is good.

Very good.

I like that.

I think of myself, and there's brown sugar, brown skin.

You know, I love your brown skin. I can't tell where yours begin.

I can't tell where mine is.

Oh, nice. Okay.

Fuck.

Great. Ding, ding, ding.

I virtually had the lyric. It's probably been 15 years.

You did?

Good song.

Yeah, I'll give it to you.

I mean, not in its rendition, but the lyrics were.

Yeah. Ding, ding, ding. India re India country. Today we released Bill Gates's episode. It's actually not ding, ding, ding. Because that's not what this is for.

We're not redoing the fact check for an episode that came out this morning.

But I'm thinking about it.

Me, too, because we got to post our little videos about it.

And do you know what Bill posted?

No.

Do you want me to read it?

Yes.

I'm scared.

You should be so scared. It's always great to join at Dax Shepard and at Emma Padman for an episode of at armchair expert pod. They're two of my favorite people.

Oh, man.

Now I posted that and I put an arrow to that line.

Okay, great.

And I said, you said it. No takebacks.

You're good at this thing.

Life.

Yeah, well, life, but social media and emails where you wrote, to the best boy. Classic.

I call that writing. Yeah, you're good at it, too.

I have an arena in which I'm good at it. I don't know how great I am at it. Like on Instagram or stuff. I can write prose.

Don't you feel?

Yes.

We're going to brag. Today is a good episode to brag.

Why?

Because this is for Jake and Connor.

Oh, right.

And he is.

And Connor's all.

He's made a career out of self promotion.

That's right.

Yeah.

And he is. He promotes self promotion. Yeah, he talks about that and it's important.

It's like weird. Like, well, it does fall into the thing I have said in the past, which is like, there's certain people when they're ostentatious, I don't like it. And there are certain people, I really root for them when they're ostentatious. Conor McGregor is from fucking Dublin. Twelve. If he's out there showing off, he made it happen. I like it. I can stomach it. As opposed to, like, the child of a billionaire doing it a little different.

Ding, ding. Ming. Bill.

India. India.

Brown skin.

Okay. Bragging.

Okay.

Writing.

I think writing is the only. Now I'm going to say it, and it's going to backfire so bad. But I think for me personally, writing is the only place. It's the only arena that I feel confident I'm never going to write something bad.

Sure. Yeah.

I might write something just fine, or it'll be okay. But I don't ever worry that what I'm putting out there and writing is bad.

Yeah, I can relate to that.

Do you feel like that?

I thought you're going to go way further. That's fine. That's not too braggy?

A little braggy. It's braggy, but I can't say that about any other arena in my entire life. It's just that I know that about myself.

Yeah, I would agree. I can do some bad acting. I tell jokes that don't work. If I can crash my charger.

Sometimes I wear bad outfits. Sometimes it happens.

Yeah. In the morning. I have bad breath. Let's not talk about. I think it's good. I sound like Aaron's uncle.

They sound like Christopher Walken.

No, I'm not seven, and I sure as hell ain't four. I'm 74 years old, motherfucker.

Wow.

It's a really interesting accent. It's almost Cajun. It's almost southern. It's almost native American. There's a lot going on.

Yeah.

And he's a white gentleman with very long hair. He looks like a biker.

Yeah.

I think it was six, though. I'm not six. And I show his hair ain't four. I'm 64 years old.

He is not to be confused with the person on the Ted Seegers can. That's Aaron's dad.

Yeah.

But his brother, Aaron's dad's brother is this guy.

Yeah.

Also, Ted Seegers is in.

Yes.

Very exciting.

Yes. At Boyson. Is that how I pronounce it?

And I didn't know that until Laura posted it, which I should have known that. And I've been to that store.

You have?

Yeah. In the valley.

It's all n a. Yeah.

I bought wine there. Not for me.

Yeah, of course.

But it's a beautiful.

I was. I'm, like, overly thrilled by it that you. If you live in LA, you could walk in there and buy a six pack.

Really? Cool. I mean, you should definitely go. Okay.

Take a. Yeah. Yeah, I should. We've had a very busy week.

We have.

Yeah.

But it's no excuse.

It's not an excuse. And it's a failing. It's a failing on my end. And talk about some writing I'm proud of.

Yeah.

Ted Seager, weirdly, is my favorite thing to write on. It happens all the time. Like, we'll have to write a deck. We'll have to write a pitch to a know. I have to write some posters to celebrate St. Patrick's Day.

Yeah. Fun.

They tell you what that one is?

No.

Make sure you don't wake up next to a leprechaun. Ted Seegers.

Oh, that's fun. That's so funny. I love it. Great.

I like the image of waking up next to leprechaun.

Oh, my God. So tiny. They're tiny, right?

Yeah, they're real miniature. They're all out there at the ends of the rainbow there with the pot of gold.

They're rich. Maybe you should wake up next to a leprechaun because they're rich. It's just like inner species breeding is bad.

Yeah, sure. That should be avoided. Unless it's a male. No. Yes. A female human and a male dolphin. That's the only one we've approved.

I have not approved that.

You keep the woman wants to have a relationship.

It's still not okay.

And the male dolphin is not a victim.

Women can take advantage, too.

I'm not of a male dolphin.

Yes.

They'd fuck a pile of wood hoping there was a snake in there.

No, dolphins are almost like humans.

Yeah, they're perverts. Like humans.

Exactly.

Yeah. Humans without any of the societal pressure to not be perverts.

Yeah, they're gross.

They're so cute. And then they're not.

They're not really cute.

Weird, everyone.

Okay, we place them in the category of cute animals.

Flipper. That's probably why.

Yeah. I guess it's just like when you really try to remove yourself from your programming about cute animals.

Yeah, objectively. Look at them. Well, no, dolphins look like they're smiling. The corners of their mouths kind of tilt up, like they're smiling.

Smiling because they're typing sickos?

No, because they just blasted some human.

Exactly.

Some happy human. Do smiling dolphins, they're crazy cute.

It's so hard to know what's what these days.

But remember there was the fucking video of the ones in a river in South America, and the dolphin was on its back.

And do you remember this, Rob?

And he was like, I think he was fucking a dead anaconda or something. I think I do remember this. Do you remember this?

Yeah, we talked about it on here.

Yes.

It was so extreme. The horniness of this thing trying to pump on an anaconda. And its dong was hanging out and stuff.

Okay.

It was at full attention.

I just think there's absolutely no way you can look at this.

That little puppy, cute little Dalmatian, and.

Then think it's the same category as a.

It's a dolphin.

Dolphin.

I think dolphins are very cute. Does it bother you?

This is a statue, this cute thing.

It did not look like a real dog to me. I was like, that's either AI or a product. And it was the latter. Does it bother you when animals have those pink penises? Yeah. Why is that? It's like their insides are out or something.

Red rocket.

Yeah.

Like the dog's penis. That's very troubling.

Yes.

And then the dolphin penis is so troubling. It's like pink and human skin.

Yeah. It's because they don't have control over it. It feels dangerous.

It feels like the insides of their bodies are pouring out. I want their penises to be that nice silver gray color that the rest of their body is. That'd be preferred.

At least a horse are different colors.

They are. But a horse dick is very consistent with their belly skin. Like, a horse dick is still dark as hell.

But is that because there's hair all over it?

No, it's. The skin itself is dark. It's not, like, bright pink.

Well, what about white horses?

Type in white horse penis.

No, I'm not.

Why do you think the law will.

Come and get you?

You're allowed to look at animal penises.

I think I want to see that.

You do. It's not pink.

Stop.

You're being a red rocket. Looks like your skin, it was, like, peeled off. So just imagine. I know your penis with its skin off.

Yes.

It looks internal. It looks like I'm looking inside the body.

It's dark. It's dark. The white horse penis.

Big, dark penis.

So it's not the same color.

They have such enormous penises.

Ew. Look at the. Ew. Actually, it's kind of pink again. Yeah, see, it's pink. They're all, ew. This one, I have a lot of memories. This is very pink. Is this another statue? No, that's real.

What was the statue of a horse with his penis.

A lot of animals have pink dicks.

Yeah. It's weird.

Yeah.

I wanted to match the rest of.

Their skin color, I think. Don't like white men's penises. Air on pinkish. Like, they could be pink.

No, my penis is completely consistent with my normal skin color. And it gets darker where the foreskin used to be. Yeah, mine too. But I've heard of people having miscolored penises. You have? In your travels? Yes. Bobby Lee famously talks about his being, like, purple. Oh, really?

Yeah. I've seen a pink one. Oh, I've seen a pink one.

Oh, really?

Yeah.

Like pink? Like a dog's.

That's right. Kind of like brightish pink.

Oh, my goodness.

It's kind of cool.

Yeah. Rare.

Yeah.

Limited edition.

Let's clean it up.

Yeah. Sorry, guys.

Sorry.

Although if you made it through this episode.

Sorry.

It's the right episode for this.

You're right, but. I'm sorry, Bill.

Oh, but this isn't his.

No, but we were talking about it.

Okay. There was something that came up during the dolphin debate of 2024.

Okay.

Which was my daughter went on a field trip to the La Zoo.

Okay.

Because.

I know. Because I was saying, why do we think they're cute? I think largely because of media. So Flipper was a very popular show.

Right.

And so she went to the LA zoo, and they were tasked with kind of writing down pros and cons of the experience of the animals, I guess, whether it was a good or bad thing or if it's ethical, which is great. Let's have the debate.

Interesting.

Yeah. And of course, my knee jerk is to get nervous that everything's so lefty.

Yeah. You are very nervous about that.

I am. I mean, look, they go to a very liberal school, which I like, but what I was nervous about is just that zoos would be bad because everything's bad. Needs to stop. And so I was trying to explain to her the history of the orca, the killer whale, which was like, there was no hunting regulations on killer whales. There was no protection, governmental or otherwise, until seaWorld. Seaworld, which is blackfish, if you've seen that. Of course, I'm not arguing it's not terrible for the orca that's at SeaWorld. But also what is undeniable is that shamu changed the image of the orca. Prior to that, there was no appetite to get any regulations to protect these animals. And then America fell in love with Shamu.

Right.

And then we get all this legislation to prevent them from being so. You know, it's. It's just very utilitarian argument. It's like, yeah, it's not great to even. It's not great. It's bad to keep an orca in a swimming pool. It's terrible.

Yeah, it's terrible.

But if the orca suffering in the swimming pool saved all orcas, that's a compelling.

But no, because then I want to go see Shamu, and I want to go to more water parks like this that have captive animals, and when there's a business around it, it's going to make more and more capture.

But what I'm saying is, without Shamu, they would have been still the killer whale. We would have not fallen in love with them and seen that they're cute and smart, so there would have been no legislation. They probably would have been hunted to extinction. So, like, shamus saved. I think most people would agree with this, even in the zoological world, Shamu saved the orca. So that's a relevant part of the whole thing. And so what's weird is, like, a zoo, clearly not how an elephant should be living. Elephants supposed to walk hundreds of miles a day. It's a migratory animal. It's heartbreaking that they would be in there. But if people don't see those animals, they also tend to not care, and they don't vote for legislation, and they don't donate money and try to save animals. So it's weird that there might be a sacrificial lot that is ultimately better for the whole population. Minimally. It's a complicated situation. It's not just, is it good or bad to have zoos? It's like you need the will of the people to protect them, and you need them to have experienced them and know they're real and care about them.

So it's complicated.

Sure. Yeah.

I guess you could argue, though. Like, if I was listening to me right now, this is the argument I would mount. That is probably true up until even into the. But now you have animal planet and nature shows, so kids do see and fall in love with animals. We don't necessarily need them in the zoo.

I don't think there should be any more zoos. No.

Well, here's another thing. You could also make a democratizing argument, which is like, 99% of Americans, 99.9% are never going to have the resources to see any of these majestic animals in their real life. Like, for the kid from the inner city, they're not going to go and see any of these animals. If they don't get to see them at the zoo, they'll never be able to see that kind of animal.

That's okay. Yeah. And that's actually, to me, the problem is, it's like, this is an opportunity for people to see them. It's just going to spur on more and more business around it, which is going to cause more and more of these animals that should not be in these environments to be in these environments. And that's a.

Well, let's just be clear. If it were super profitable to start up zoos. Yeah, I think that would be an issue. But all these zoos are municipalities, not seaWorld. The La Zoo, the San Diego Zoo, these are all city owned, and they lose money, and they're there to let children get to see these animals.

Yeah.

I don't think it's a right.

To get to be able to see those animals.

I don't think it's a right.

I don't think it's more important for a human to be able to see it than. I'm not even an animal person, but I don't think it's more imperative for a human to be able to see an animal than for that animal to be able to exist in its environment.

Yeah.

So, Jake, we said he has been in 75 movies, according to his IMDb, seven plus 512. No, of course not.

Well, you never know. There's some actors that have been in, like, a really shockingly slim number of.

Movies as an actor, it says 61.

Okay.

Now, do you know staph infection is spelled s t a p h? I just learned it.

Well, I know I don't know that.

New information.

Yeah.

S t a p h. Stephanie.

It's short for Stephanie.

Yeah, exactly. A name that used to be popular before staph infections. That's why we haven't heard of it in a long time. Staph infections are caused by staphyloccus bacteria.

Very common in hospitals, right?

Yeah, and very common on the wrestling mat, which we used wrestling mats for cheerleading.

Right.

And so we were always, like, had to be really careful about staph infection.

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, wow.

The wrestlers had it, and it was gross. We had to wipe. We had to wipe.

How do you know you guys weren't tainting those?

We didn't have it. We're clean. Hot and clean. Cheerleaders are hot and clean.

Actually, that is not true.

Yes, it is.

Okay.

It's true. It says, often found on the skin or in the nose.

Is it not a bit of an umbrella term? Is there a bunch of different kinds of staph infections? Like, it's a big umbrella?

I don't think so.

I mean, maybe it's always the same exact.

No, there's, like, MRsa. That's a type of staph. I guess there's different strains.

Yeah, there we go. Strains.

But boils, blisters that'll come from a staphylon can cause food poisoning. That doesn't make sense. But that's what it says. Okay. It says in rare cases, it can turn deadly if the bacteria invade deeper into the body or enter the bloodstream, resulting in fever, joint and muscle pain. Like a habit.

Wonder if I've ever had it.

You would know. You'd have to take an antibiotic for it.

You know, I always think this, like, once in a blue moon, I'll have to take an antibiotic because I'll have surgery. And then I do wonder in those times, like, am I knocking out some stuff I didn't even know I had? I almost think there's a big campaign to not take antibiotics because then you get superbugs, right? Let's shelve that for half a second.

Sure.

It also kills your microbiome.

It's not good for you.

But fuck all that. Table, all that.

Okay?

Just every four years, just do a cycle to make sure, in case you got some stab or this or that. Nothing's, like, accumulating. Yeah.

Okay. I don't think that's good advice.

Okay, great.

I guess I'm grateful when I never want to take one. And I'm also the type of person that when they're prescribed, I generally don't take them, but I do. Of course, for surgeries, you have to.

Yeah, you must.

But when I have to take them, I think, oh, this is good. In case I have any other kind.

Of infection, I'm fine taking them.

Yeah, you like them? Apparently, pneumonia is a type of staph infection and, like, food poisoning. Boil.

That's what I just said.

Yeah, there's a whole bunch.

Yeah, boils are. Those are just. Those are the symptoms.

The skin one's just one of TSS. I'm glad I haven't had a boil. No shade to anyone that's got boils, but that just the word. It's one of these diseases like Peronis, which I have, so I can make fun of that one.

Sure.

Where they didn't do the disease any favors by naming it boil. It's like your skin's boiling. Yes, I know. It's like a descriptor.

Impent. Remember impent? I thought it was called. Oh, my God.

What if they named diarrhea? Yuck. Stinky yuck.

I kind of prefer it.

You would?

I mean, diarrhea is a horrible word. It's a horrible word.

Back to ding, ding, ding. We love when Bill Gates has to say it because it sounds.

Exactly. Even though this isn't Bill's.

I know, but he shouldn't have to say that word ever. But in the documentary, he had to say it so many times.

He has to say it a lot because he disseminated the rotavirus vaccine and saved all these people. Okay. I always thought it was infantigo.

Impentigo.

It's impetigo. Impetigo. Oh, my God. This is new information.

I hate to tell you why. I know that you had it as a kid.

Impetigo.

I had impetago on my nose, and it was assumed. I don't know why anyone knew this, but it was assumed. I got it swimming in my grandparents motel pool.

Sick.

Yes. Is that a kind of staph infection, then?

You've had a staph infection.

Oh, wow. Then I did. Impentego.

No, impetigo.

Okay.

And I thought it was infant. Igo. Infantigo.

Yeah, and I thought it was impentigo.

You thought it was impetigo.

Impentigo. Oh, my God. Now I can't remember what I thought it was. Impantigo. Yeah. When I was a kid, I had infantigo. That's how it sounds. I ever tell you about my impentigo? I haven't, bro. Oh, fuck. Grab a beer, dude. Yeah, I totally. You know, my Grandma's had a motel right on the highway.

Oh, God.

I lived in it, man. And I got fucking impentago. It sounds italian.

Did it hurt?

Yeah, I got, like, a scab on my nose.

Do you remember it?

Yeah, I actually do. I hated it. Why do I have a scab on my nose? I didn't scrape it. Or maybe I scraped it on the side of the pool, and then I got impentigo. I don't know, but, fuck, it was embarrassing. And it was a gross one.

It was.

I think my brother was grossed out.

Well, yeah, they're fluid filled blisters or sores, and they leave a yellow or brown crust.

Fuck, yeah. And the family knew. I knew it was gross. I knew I had a gross thing.

Family knew.

And I didn't do anything wrong. I went swimming. I was just a little boy. It wasn't like I was with a prostitute or anything or doing drugs.

You're with a prostitute?

It's good. It's good for you.

No judgment. And if you get impetigo, it's great.

It's gorgeous.

Oh, my God. So you took antibiotics for that?

I don't remember that part. I remember my grandmother scraping this scab off my nose.

Yeah.

And then adding, like, alcohol or rubbing.

Messed it all up.

I'm lucky I don't have a humongous scar, and maybe I do. You never saw this scar on my nose, bro? Yeah, from my infant, Tigo. Did I tell you about that?

Grab a beer.

Grab a beer. Light up, let's talk.

Okay, well, I want to stop talking about this infantigo. Yeah.

That is nice, though. You had an acorn.

I did.

You thought it was infantigo because you thought what? Infants. Got it, I think. Yeah. And I was not an infant, but I was still a boy.

How old were you?

Probably eight. Yeah.

Ew.

White hair and scabs on my nose. Too many freckles. Smelled like shit, had diarrhea.

You did?

No.

You probably did from the.

I never really had it when I was a kid. I mean, I did occasionally when I had.

Of course you did. You just don't remember it. There's no way. Oh, wait, I wonder.

I developed, like, a gluten allergy and didn't know it. I told you that when I stopped actually eating gluten. We used to talk about it all the time. I had a loosey goosey several times a week.

Yeah.

And I have not had it in like, two years.

Yes, you have.

What are you talking about?

Sometimes you text me about your diarrhea so I know you have it more.

Than I've maybe had it once or twice in two years. It's been shocking. The number has gone down by 99.9%. Where I had just thought my intestinal fortitude and disposition was that that created that.

Yeah.

No, it was to.

I'm mad about that.

Of course I am, too.

I want you to eat pizzas.

Tim Tams.

Tim Tams. And.

Oh, yeah, Big Macs. I was talking with Lincoln about big Macs yesterday. I was saying deathbed, I might have two or three. Then I was telling her this funny thing where at some point Kristen and I had the same postmates account. We only had one account in the households for whatever reason. And when she would go out of town, this happened a couple times where she was out of town and then we were talking, she said, who'd you have over for dinner last night? And I go, I didn't have anyone over for dinner. She's like, you clearly had someone over for dinner. You spent $33 at McDonald's and you got two Big Mac value meals and a 20 piece nuggets. And that was for me?

All for you.

Occasionally, if she would travel, I'd put the kids to bed and I'd go, let's go. And I would get the two full meals with the extra sauce and the extra cheese and a 20 piece nuggets. I'd sit in front of the TV at my old house and just.

Would you eat it all?

Yeah, I'd get high.

Really?

Yeah. So I was saying it might be my deathbed meal because I won't ever have to pay the price.

Yeah, that's true of the gluten. It's weird because you're much bigger than me, obviously, but your stomach can't be that much bigger than mine. It can't be.

You're right.

I could never do that. Not because I wouldn't want to, but I physically would not be able.

But I am virtually two exercise weight.

Wise, but I wouldn't be able to eat.

You could eat a Big Mac value meal in ten nuggets? Yeah. If you wanted to get high, it.

Would be very hard.

Yeah. That's not hard for me at all.

Well, of course that's not. That would make sense.

No, the order I get, really, the two value meals and the 20 piece, that's not hard at all. How much I'm loving it down to the last nugget.

Maybe it's all. I don't know. Because I could eat a whole pizza.

Exactly. It's like, what are your Achilles?

But you could maybe eat three whole pizzas.

Two. I could eat two. I always ate a whole pizza on my own when I still ate pizza.

Yeah.

I'd always order my own. And then I would get into other people's as they didn't finish.

I want pizza.

What? I can really go down crazy. Have you ever seen me eat chili dogs? Coney island.

I've been with you once, but I don't remember.

I'll eat six or eight.

Wow.

Yeah. And I used to go with my friend Tim Lovestead to Sizzler, and we would have chicken wing eating contests, and I'd eat, like, 28 of those wings.

Okay, that's like a different.

You're right.

I'm just thinking about, like, average not.

To win anything, just to make yourself happy. And, yeah, I would eat a whole and a half pizza.

I'm having a pizza tonight.

I'm so jealous. Domino's, maybe? Extra sauce, extra cheese, extra crispy thin and crispy thin. Yeah. Thinner the better. It's a good pie. Just two really good free commercials we just did.

I know. Okay. And for impentigo.

Yes. Also, if you're the proprietor of an.

Impentigo dispensary in antibiotics, turns out we're pro.

Which you're not supposed to be, but.

We are supposed to be. Okay. Patrick Swayze. Yes. He did gymnastics, he did swimming, he did football. He was offered an athletic and dance scholarship.

Yeah, I think he did ballet, too.

Yeah, well, dance. He enrolled in San Jacinto.

How are you spelling that?

J a c I n t o. San Joaquinto.

San Joaquinto.

You think so?

I do.

With the C?

Yeah.

Wouldn't it be. Oh, man.

I think it's San Joaquinto.

You're lying.

No, I'm not.

I really believe it made a smiley face.

Well, because it sounds ridiculous that I'm saying Sam Joaquinto with such confidence, but Rob's going to let us. Yeah. Here we go. Hasinto what you were talking to. You're looking at how to pronounce this.

Name, as well as how to say.

More interesting, but sometimes confusing. Pause it. Everything he's saying already sounds wrong. So how are we going to trust this?

No, but yeah.

Is there a different still?

It was the way he pronounced the j.

And the next thing better.

Allergy relief.

Oh, my gosh. I don't think that was very helpful.

Okay. No, it is, though, because I read that, as I said, it's either San Jacinto or San Jacinto. And that is what he's saying. Jacinto. He's saying Jacinto.

So San Joaquinto.

He's saying, no hands.

He's saying, no, keep it fun. It's so fun.

I want to finish the sentence. Houston, Texas, where I focus on gymnastics hymnastics.

What if that was a way to butch it up for boys? I thought it was too effeminate to call it hymnastics. I don't do gymnastics. I do hymnastics.

This is such a ding, ding, ding. What we just fell into is such a ding, ding, ding. Okay, we went to the roadhouse premiere.

Yes.

After we recorded this episode, we went to the Roadhouse premiere. You moderated a panel afterwards with all the actors. With the actors, yeah. And before you went up there, you said, I'm going to introduce him as Yake Yellenhole. Yay.

Thank you.

I said, don't do that. And then you did, and everyone laughed, and then you tried to get me to say it for a while, and I didn't. But now it's sort of like San Jacinto.

Yes. Or gymnastics. Gymnastics Yellenhall. It's just so fun to say. Did you have fun just now when you said it?

No.

Rob, are you willing to say it? I like. Yeah.

Like, it's a big shock to get Rob to say, yake Yellenhaal.

That's not the point. I just want to know if he enjoyed saying it, because it feels good to me to go, Yake Yellenhaal.

Well, I said it.

Thank you.

That was for you.

That was January 2. You got that covered. Now you don't have to give me a present next year.

Okay. He said UFC is the fourth biggest sport. He said it's bigger than hockey. Or he did say that.

The only thing that would make that hard to measure is. Yeah. Which is relevant. But I would just imagine their hurdle would be frequency.

Right.

There's 62 or 78 hockey games a year. How many are there, Rob?

80.

80. So you're multiplying 50 teams times 80 games for the viewership, but maybe it just means attendance or single event viewing is bigger. I don't know how you'd quantify that. But there's UFC fight nights that aren't pay per view, that are on weekly. Yeah, I think they're weekly. Just on any given night, aren't there 20 hockey games on? Yeah, there's 82 games a season. And how many teams? A lot of teams. 30 teams? Yeah.

I mean, I can't look it up because last time we looked it up, remember, you didn't agree with it.

Hockey was weird in the list. Which one?

Remember I did a list in worldwide?

Yes. It was because lawn hockey was on there. Field hockey.

Something was that.

Field hockey was like the third biggest sport in the world.

Yeah.

And we did just meet an Australian who played field hockey in high school.

Yeah. And I also heard about somebody else who did that. Okay. Five most popular sports in the world based on global participation and viewership, includes soccer, number one, basketball, cricket, tennis, and field hockey. It's here again, different.

Talk about being in a bubble. I can't even picture what that looks like. And they're saying this is the fifth most popular.

Different one is saying soccer, cricket, field hockey, tennis, volleyball.

No. NFL.

Worldwide.

No, I know. I think his claim was for America, but what I said, I misled you just now. I do think you can count the viewers that are outside of the US for the most popular US sport. That's what say, nobody's watching hockey internationally. But UFC is global. But it's a sport in America. So I do think you should count those viewers. That's what I meant about worldwide.

Those most popular team sports in the US are american football team.

It's not a team sport.

Oh, yeah. Okay.

Most popular sport.

Well, that's biggest sports in the US. America. Individual sports. I mean, it's different. Individual sports. Golf, sure. Boxing?

I don't think boxing. Bigger than UFC. I don't know what to tell you.

Not anymore.

I don't think it is.

Yeah, that's what it says on know.

I know. I accept what you're reading to me. I don't accept that boxing is bigger than UFC, despite the claim on Wikipedia.

Okay.

I know that's frustrating.

It sure is.

Yeah. Do you want from statisticsanddata.org how many fucking. It's an.org. It's a good one.

Yeah.

So football number one. Then basketball, baseball, boxing, hockey, soccer. Do you think they're counting UFC, Mma, boxing, Mma is here at 16.7%. What's that place at? Number seven, right. Eight. Well, I think it's hard, too, because those pay per view, like, certain pay per view events for UFC are huge. I think that will pass viewership for any given NHL game.

Is it viewership or is it money.

Or is it attendance? There's probably a lot of ways to measure.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, according to top end sports, one is motorsports. Well, NASCAR, two, tennis, three, golf, four, wrestling, five, skiing.

Yeah. If you went attendance. NASCAR again. There's like this. Too many metrics. There is because there's multiple games on a football Sunday. But I just want to point out there are races where there's 250,000 fans.

Okay, well, this according, this is for pew someone, what's America's sport? Far more US adults say football than anything else. Okay. Percent of us adults who say blank is America's sport. That's kind of an interesting way of looking at it. I mean, that's just one metric, I guess. Football is far and above. Then baseball, basketball, soccer, auto racing, then hockey. And then something else.

Something else. Well, baseball used to be America's pastime. Right? It's like an official slogan.

Exactly.

Baseball. Chevrolet's apple pie.

That's right. Honda.

Impentego. Pews. Who has impentego? Pews. Who has impentego?

It's not impentego.

That's what I call it. And I've had it. This is kind of like I'm an ethnicity. Yeah, this is a very rare situation.

No, no one would prefer that. It sounds horrible.

More than Impentigo, is that what you're saying?

Impetigo.

Impatul.

Impetigo.

Fuck. Plethora. This guy had a plethora of impentago all over his head to toe, head to Tago. This is what happens. It's probably already obvious to the listener, but fuck, have we had a long week. We've been a long week. And this is the finish line.

Okay. He says the quote, I'll make you so much money you could swim in it. That's from Rocky five.

He loved his rocky movies.

Yeah, he would.

Of course.

I was just going to open up a door. Fine, I will.

Okay.

Ass cheeks clenching. Yeah, because that's the whole thing with Swayze in the movie and like, is it hot? Not really.

Did you watch the scene?

No, I just mean, yeah, we've watched it on here.

Well, I just meant like, have you touched? Yeah.

To see if I haven't rewatched it in a minute. But you've played it a lot.

Yeah, I don't think so. The butt looks better. Unclenched is my vote.

Me too. And I wonder why he did that. Because it's kind of like he was trying to squeeze in a fart.

It didn't read as that to me because he was alone by himself in a room. So he would have just let it go.

Sometimes I hold him in by yourself.

Oh my God.

Here we go.

Buns of steel. Let's see. Are they allowed to show it on YouTube?

They are, of course. Buns there's qanon on.

Okay. Oh, she looks. Oh, there is someone else. They have, like, slowed down. They're missing the end of that scene. There's a clinch as he puts his pants on. Fuck. I hope I'm not imagining the clinch.

Oh, no. Oh, my God. Let's see.

Well, I don't think you're going to.

Be able to see.

I'm going to have to put the film in tonight. That's what I'm going to do. Perfect excuse to rewatch. His butt looks great, though. There's no two ways about that. It's like it's clenched, though, when he's walking, it does. I think he's clenching it. Yeah, he's clenching it while he walks.

So is that what you mean?

Maybe I need to watch this. In your head. I want to put.

It does look clenched.

Yeah, it is clenched. It looks smooth.

It doesn't. Bart is trying to come out, and he's desperate to keep it in.

I can see that. It looks like he's just, like, trying to hold it. That woman's in there and he's ashamed.

I hope no one thinks they should go try that for sexiness. Cautionary tale, armchair anonymous. Right. In.

If you've clenched your butt cheeks to.

Impress a lover, and it did not.

Backfired, and then you. Yeah, you were unable to hold it in.

Anyway. It looks like we all agree.

I like it.

Is not as sexy as you'd think.

Unclenched uncle. The fuller it looks, the better. Because it gets kind of concave when you clench.

Right. And we like convex, but people might like it because then it looks a little more muscular, I think.

But it's like a pec flex. Yeah, well, they do it in bodybuilding, and it's really the grossest part of bodybuilding because it looks like two roast beefs back there. That muscle doesn't look good clenched. It looks like a big. Two big roast beef.

You know what I hate is when people refer to vagina lips as roast beef curtains.

You do? I'm not surprised.

It's not cute.

I don't like that.

Okay, well, I'm surprised you even know that. Of course I know that. I didn't just wake up out of the cave.

I didn't just fall off the turnip cart.

Is that a phrase?

Yeah.

Is that what it.

That means you're new to town.

I think I fell off the turnip cart.

Yeah, they just fell off the.

I thought falling off the turnip cart.

Meant like turnip truck.

Turnip truck, turnip truck.

It was probably a cart before it was a truck.

I thought falling off the wagon is.

An addiction thing, not maintaining your sobriety. What does it say, Rob? Yeah. Country bumkin hillbilly fool or country redneck who's basically jumped a truck to get into, like, this one just fell off. Fall off a turnip truck. You never heard that? But, you know, roast beef curtains. Yeah, I haven't heard it, either. Turnip truck. Yeah. Oh, I'm showing my age, I guess.

It's like that quiz we took where it tells you where you're from.

Regional.

Yeah, it could be regional.

Totally. And it's 70s thing, as well. Yeah, I'm from the 70s. Clinch. Curtains. All right, love.