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Welcome, welcome again, armchair expert, I'm Jack Shephard, I'm joined by Monica Lilypad man. Hello there. One of your premier boyfriends is on today, which is very exciting. I love this guy. You love him.


So do I. Jason Segel, what a talented son of a gun. For real. Yeah, of course.


I fell in love with him in forgetting Sarah Marshall, but I'm sure many people loved him long before that. From Freaks and Geeks or How I Met Your Mother.


He also was in the Muppets, I believe he wrote it. He is a screenwriter. He's a producer, and he is an author and a singer and songwriter. He has a new movie out right now which people are loving.


By the way, since we interviewed him, three different people told me they love this movie. Yeah, our friend.


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He's in our chat. So the bookshelf behind you is so immaculate that it makes me wonder if it's, well, no, you just pan down and it moves. So I guess it's not a screensaver.


No, but it's also not I mean, these aren't my I don't read them. I bought them by the inch.


When you open some of the top ones that are particularly dusty, is there either a handgun or ransom or jellybeans?


Yeah, it's just these do live in the Hollywood Hills, Jason.


No, I live mostly in Ohio and then I have a place in Pasadena for if I have to work, but that's where I am now. But I mostly.


Oh, what is the Ohio experience? The gateway drug to Ohio seems to be Ted and Mary. Yes, sir. You go there and it's Eden and you're like, oh, I could have this life too.


And then I just imagine Kristin and I moving there and being confused about what to do.


Yeah, there is not much to do, although the town is starting to pick up and like, I think in a good way, it's like clicking up a notch. It's never going to be to like Montecito, it's just limited. But for me, writing especially not being surrounded by the business and like slowly, what do they call it when they do it to a cult member you to program.


Yeah. Yeah.


Out of like trying to think about relevance or comparative thinking and all that. You then start, like doing art for better or for worse. That's uniquely you, which I found refreshing. I mean, like your pace slows way down. My output really slowed down, but it's stuff that I'm increasingly proud of, you know. Yeah. So I fantasize about your existence quite often a couple hours a day because I too used to be a writer. But the only way I can write is to go to that Four Seasons in Westlake and commit for days just sitting by myself.


It's just, just the only way possible.


So I do fantasize about your life, about maybe that I'll be writing. But I also imagine is it hard to stay on task with unlimited time? It's almost easier for me if I have punctuated time.


My relationship to writing is not one of like, oh, I have an idea. This can be a joyful process. Most of it is just panic. I have to make something happen. This is my way of exerting control. I'm going to write something and then the stuff ends up being good. But when I'm writing it, it doesn't feel like an artistic process. It feels like very panicked.


I can relate immensely. And I've had the goal for the last, I guess, eight years to actually enjoy the process or let me be more specific, not write from a place of your a lazy piece of shit. If you don't write eight pages, you're a terrible writer. If it's not blank, you need this is a backup plan because you're going to be penniless, like rediscovering maybe how I wrote in high school where it was literally to take a walk through my memory or my imagination.


I, like, aspired to that. What motivates you to write generally?


Like, I don't think having ideas is the hard part. I have a lot of ideas. I've always felt like what separates someone who does it versus who's sitting in a coffee shop with a half finished screenplay is the like sitting through the part where you hate the idea because it takes so long to write something, it takes months and months and months.


So, you know, you go through these waves where you think it's stupid or you just don't want to do it or you sit around. When I think of an idea, I kind of try to ignore it as my first impulse.


And then if I find that it's nagging at me and slowly it becomes like the alien trying to get out of your chest. Some of this is maybe a mental problem, but I feel, yeah, like I can't not exorcise it or my brain won't leave me alone.


Yes, I totally relate. And in fact, when we were interviewing Will Ferrell, I asked him, I said, you know, rule for myself is I'll get like, so horny for an idea, but it'll only have like an eight day shelf life. And I really need to know that, like, a month later I'm still horny for it. And I said, is it a liability for you who can literally pick up the phone and go, three guys are stuck on the moon and one guy, you know, and then the thing gets in motion, you know what I'm saying?


Like, it could be dangerous for me to have ever had the capital in this business to execute every idea I had.


Yeah, because not all of them are full movies.


I mean, you know it when you see one or you're like, this is an idea like Human Centipede.


Somebody had one idea that somehow that was like a nightmare and then it became a full movie, you know, not to knock Human Centipede. I suppose it's time for a certain niche.


Yeah, we love it over here. I'm not. We watch it this morning. But instead of the inauguration.


Yes, honest to God, I try not to be too strategic. Maybe to a fault. Very much. Now I'm like, all right, you really fucking lucky. You get to make shift, so let's make shit. And that should kind of be the end of the sentence, you know. Yeah, forget about the results. Some of it goes great, some of it No.


One, I just did a show that I love so much and I did all of the jobs on it. I wrote it and I directed it and I started it was very personal dispatches from Ali's dispatches from elsewhere. And I'm super, super proud of it because of a great many things. Not very many people saw it, you know, but not very many people of means, like hundreds of thousands, but nonetheless, like coming from a time when, like opening weekend to be gigantic, the feeling potentially could have been disappointing.


But I'm able now to be like, well, you made something that you are so proud of and a few hundred thousand people. It was very meaningful to me. And what more do you want?


Like at what point do you let yourself say I won?


Because if you don't figure out a way that you're going to feel good, you will feel like behind for your whole career, your whole life, you know? Yeah.


Oh, man, I have so much to say on this because I've had, you know, the ultimate spend two years think tanks Friday night. My life's over, my identity is shattered. And I'll say one of the best things I heard is Kevin Smith said, hey, dude, imagine going to yourself on the playground when you were 12 and you go, hey, when you grow up, you're going to fucking direct a movie where you ride wheelies on motorcycles.


Do you think 12 year old DACs says? How much does it make?


Yeah. Oh, my God. That's exactly my God. What a breakthrough. Yeah, totally.


And you get to decide what's important to you. Also, you know, I began asking myself around 33 years old, I had a big blank canvas in front of me because I was on a TV show that ended naturally. And then I had a string of romantic comedies that slowly we tried to like Stretch. Twenty four year old Jason as far as we could, and at 33, that the rubber band kind of snapped, you know, and that was also a period where where I stopped drinking as well at 33 years old.


And so I had this blank canvas ahead of me where most things by which I defined my identity were suddenly gone. So like, what do I do now? Big, scary moment of who am I without this stuff, you know?


And then I did a movie called The End of the Tour that I was very scared to do because I didn't know if I was good enough at it. And I, like, walked into a lot of history. David David Foster Wallace.




And so I didn't know if I was a good enough actor to do it. And I kind of walked through the are you a con man in this business kind of here?


I came out the other side thinking that I was not a con man and that I could do stuff. And then I became really interested in figuring out, like, you have almost intentionally not bumped up against your limits for like ten years because you've been doing stuff you know how to do.


So let's like bump into some walls, like let's take this for a spin and find out what you can and can't do.


And that's been the past few years and I just loved it.


Yeah, man, it's so scary. And I thought it. Yeah, because again, I have the same I'm a fraud. I they're going to knock on the door pretty soon and go, well big clerical error. You weren't supposed to work in any capacity. Look at your face. You're not allowed to be on staff. That's the main complaint on the piece of paper.


If you want to think that this is an absolutely true story. We did the Muppets and we did it. You know, they do test screenings for movies, as you know, where they show the audience and they make them felt these little forms. Well, the funny thing about Muppets is we did test screening just exactly the same, but for kids and I made them fill out these forms and ask them these questions over.


And I have one friend. Oh, like, what did you like about the movie? My character's name is Gary. What did you like about the movie The Muppets sing? It's like in Little Kid Chickens from the Muppets are fun. The Muppets dance. What did you not like about the movie Garry's Face?


I like nothing more, nothing more on it. And I still hate me. Oh, just a ten year old being honest.


Oh God, we're so similar that you have that frame. Can I show you? I'm just going to show you something really fucking computer.


I don't know. I hope you can read it, man. You're fit. This is hanging in the studio here. Oh my gosh.


Oh my God. Oh, man. Landslide. Oh my. That is a landslide. Seventy two percent of American. Would not date me. I'm sorry, you know, and then I did what we do, which is like I was like, this is so embarrassing, I'm so humiliated, I must immediately go on Kimmel and take the power back on.


How did it go?


And I was like, you know, 28 percent of America would date me. There's 300 million Americans. I never thought 40 million Americans would date me. You only need one and you want.


Right. Oh, my God. You know, for my fears, it was a bullseye. You got me right in the quick. It was the. Yeah, sure.


I just have to ask, is the book behind you that's tilted supposed to be is that on purpose?


Tilted top shelf right up there. Yeah. Yeah, I knew it. How did you know.


I just knew it. It's so perfectly. Tell my God. Do you have OCD? Yeah, I think I do.


I mean I think I almost 100 percent do. I think I have a lot of mental issues that all overlap and it's like a beautiful dance party or problems.


Do you have an explanation for it? OCD, the mental gymnastics that are happening in your head?


Like I have a nature version of my explanation. I have a nurture version. You know, I'm like 8th generation addict, but also a stepdad, sexual abuse.


You know, there's a whole bit of ingredients I explain it with. Yeah.


You know, I have a very, very beautiful childhood, so I don't think that it comes from that. And I also know that I have had these issues and feelings of like intense feelings of being an outsider and all that stuff. Since I was super, super, super young, I'm very anxious often and I get very anxious around making a definitive decision that I feel will affect my life because I feel like it is a forever decision that I will be sitting in.


And my mom will tell the story that I used to save up my allowance because I actually came to her recently about something I was really grappling with. She said, this is the same Jason when you were eight years old, you would save up your allowance and save it up and save it up. And then finally you would come to us and say, I'm ready to go to the toy store and you would go to the toy store and you would spend an hour and you would pick up this toy and you would get in line and we could see you get increasingly scared as you got closer to the register.


And then right as you approached it, you would chicken out and go and put the toy back and we would leave the store.


And I feel as though it is that extended to my whole adult life. Aha.


Boy, that makes picking movies. When you had all the options in front of you, it must have been grueling to pick. Yeah.


I mean honestly, I numbed myself. There are a lot of that period because I felt a bit paralyzed about doing any of the stuff. I felt a lot of pressure. I'm only now just understanding that you make a decision and then if it doesn't work out, you make a new decision and it just you're just surfing the whole time, you know.


One hundred percent, I have to tell myself, OK, so this is neither going to land you in prison for the rest of your life, a result in your death. So let's just, you know, let's size the concern over this. Yeah, absolutely.


You know, I think also, like we talked about, there's well, anyway, this is that's a tangent, but. Yeah, yeah, I totally agree.


I like to think we loved him. Yeah. But we're all about yeah. That's kind of our brand of tangents.


But you will I mean I guess what I was going to say is there is also a period in my 20s and 30s where I was living in a way that was not very controlled, you know, like there was a lot of chaos and wreckage.


So when you're also living in that state, there is a little whatever version of totally entitled PTSD you would want, you know, for the right phrase is of like, oh, I hope this doesn't really fuck something up, you know, like.




I hope this doesn't fuckin hurt somebody or add someone very close to me saying, like, hey, you have to remember you're not doing anything wrong anymore, you know.


Oh, oh, boy, you just had something for me.


There is this period of really interesting period in our coming up in our formative years where paparazzi was a really big thing. I feel like that's changed a little bit because of the nature of camera phones. But prior to that, there weren't photos everywhere and people self posting and all this. So often paparazzi might just jump out at you and all of a sudden you're being photographed. And it took me a while to realize, like, oh, someone jumping out and taking a picture of me if I'm coming out of the grocery store is not something I have to worry about.


Like nothing bad has happened, you know?


Yeah, oh, I'm so in therapy with my wife, the therapist was quick to recognize, he said, listen, here's what's happening. DACs was a scumbag until he was 30.


He was a piece of shit. And so he's used to feeling like he's in trouble. And so when you're quiet, which is your own right, just recognize he thinks he's getting busted for this history of being a piece of shit. And so, yeah, I'm really prone to feeling like I'm in trouble quite easily. Yeah, yeah.


Yeah, absolutely. I always feel like I think since I was very young, I felt like I'd done something wrong, sort of in the background of my personality built apology. I think that also comes from being very tall. Yeah. Tell me I've been this tall since I was 12, so I'm just saying. Yeah.


So you're just kind of towering over everybody, you know, lumbering around like Big Bird.


And I think for me, like both literally and personality wise, you develop a hunch to kind of lower yourself to everyone else's height. And that becomes an apologetic habits.


You? Oh, sure. Yeah. I think maybe part of it is because I know you and I don't know you, but it sounds like being like a deep thinker at a young age and having thoughts that are maybe different, maybe makes you always think you're in trouble because you're having all these layers of thinking that aren't maybe exposed. But does that make sense? It does make sense. It does make sense. And I would agree with that. Yeah, totally.


And what I really responded U.S. earlier is I have come to realize the entire reason I loved writing is because I had a thousand percent control over everything that happens in this activity. Anything can happen. And it's all up to me. And I desired that so much, 100 percent.


You know, I think there's something funny. There's a phenomenon I'm sure you're familiar with an expression called the piece of shit at the center of the universe.


Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.


And I think that what's really interesting about this dichotomy is personality type is that, you know, underneath all artists, like underneath all the different personality types is something that unites them, which is like some belief that everyone should be quiet.


Look at what you've made sure. Sure.


And so it's interesting to be walking around both thinking that you are terrible, but also everyone be quiet and listen.


Yeah, my favorite version of that is I'm not much, but I'm all I think about.


Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, that's great. That's great. That could be on my headstone. OK, one thing I just want to say about being tall is clearly now it's awesome.


Couldn't be more grateful for it, but this is this height at 204.


You know, I was one thirty nine at this height and that was, that was rough. I was a big target. Yeah.


I put it into forgetting Sarah Marshall. I was this childhood memory of all the kids, one by one jumping on my back while the others chanted Ride the oaf ride.


Oh, Mama. Oh, that'll do it right.


Like will you ask, how did you end up this way? Like and then you start telling the story.


Is it hard to please, please, please write a memoir called Ride The. Oh my God.


Absolutely. But you also were athletic once. There were. No, no, I'm I mean the time you were in.


Oh you're also athletic because I read with great jealousy today that you could slam dunk in high school and I could only do a volleyball. So I'm really impressed and jealous.


I have a brother who I like, really idolized him in that era and he was a superstar athlete. And so I really just wanted my brother's approval. So I practice and practice and practice.


He's older, he's older, is five years older. Oh, same, same, same. Yeah.


So I would say that a huge amount of basketball was just like I really wanted my brother's approval. But yes, at some point I was able to dunk and then the showman in me came out and said I was like my the performer.


My nickname changed from the oath to the in the newspaper Dr. Dunk.


And he really stuck with me. Yeah.


Yeah. That's a good one. Yeah. It's almost Doctor J. It's it's really good. It's really good. Is it possible that were the same person separated by five years. So my brother's five years older than me and all I wanted was his approval. So I did whatever sport he did, which was like skateboarding, BMX, whatever punk rock.


Well, I mean, to answer your question, I have a fundamental belief that we're all pretty similar once we start finding, like, the connection points. I think underneath all this stuff, like, I don't know, I think I think we're all dealing with some pretty fundamental few issues. So I'm very excited to hear today. So you quit drinking at thirty three? Yeah, yeah. Do you talk about it? It's something I talk about ad nauseam or does it make you uncomfortable?


It neither makes me uncomfortable, nor do I talk about it. So we're in a suite, we're in a sweet spot. But yes, like it was the best thing that ever happened to me. The best decision I ever made. Certainly necessary. I think it was on a collision course to some real, real unhappiness. I didn't have an inciting incident. I know there wasn't like a particular moment where it was like I wasn't mandated or anything like that.


But I knew that I was well, I had basically an existential crisis where I want life. Yeah, I was terribly unhappy, you know.


So I was sitting around with all the stuff that I thought and was told was going to make me feel real nice. And I did not feel good. I felt really scared.


I would just say I felt scared. Most of the time.


I had the experience of of a thought that felt maybe like bigger than just a random thought. I don't know how else to describe it, which is you're going to die this way. Alone in a room surrounded by stuff that you are not enjoying, and the worst version is that it's not tomorrow, the worst version is that it's in or five years. Yeah.


That you were able to stay miserable for another 30 before it actually happened.


So if you listen to this show right now, you would feel like you were plagiarizing because my big moment was sitting in an airport in San Francisco.


I was so sick from the week in Hawaii where I smoked meth and I drank and I had to keep drinking to get to the layover down to L.A. and I had already been to AA. So I was afraid people are going to see me and AA people were recognizing me. I was about to start this movie and get the biggest paycheck I ever had.


And I was it was the proverbial I was hiding in the bar. There's a mirror right here. I'm drinking Jack and diets.


And similarly I go, OK, I wanted to have a lot of money. I wanted people to recognize me. I wanted to be famous. I wanted all these things. I got them all. And I'm the saddest and scaredest I've ever been in my life. Something's really fucking broken.


And I've said on here, I'm so grateful that I had the luxury of getting the shit I was convinced was keeping me from being happy, because if I hadn't gotten it, I don't know that I would have ever had that epiphany. If I didn't get any of the shit, I'd be the same miserable drunk but going nuts because I didn't end up acting professionally or I didn't end up doing this. I just feel like the craziest gift to get what you want and still be miserable.


Yeah. I mean, look, all I would say. Yeah, everyone everyone is on their own trip, you know, but I was very, very, very scared to stop drinking.


And, you know, there were years leading up where I thought, but what and what would that even mean?


What would that even look like?


And I will just say that on the other side of the fear is like I feel a million times better than I ever thought that I could. And even on bad days, which I have plenty of, I at least feel like I have a fighting chance at happiness.


But I would have these thoughts in the morning.


I'm like, OK, today is the day I don't drink.


And then like within twenty minutes and the only way I won't drink today is if I have a drink now, you know, just trash just completely trapped, you know.


Yeah. I've heard over the years that and I've never bumped into you since, but I've just always been really delighted to hear that. Oh thanks. Likewise man.


I relapsed this year. That's a side note. I don't know if you heard, but I didn't drink. But I went out on opiates for a few months after. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, I was in drag.


Still powerless. Yeah. So fucking good. Good. Ironically, I feel much happier in this four months than I was in the previous year of sobriety. So good. Good. Yeah. I have a one or two career questions before we talk about our friend.


First of all, it's been so fun. Yeah, totally. Is there a panic like I was in the Groundlings. All I wanted to do is host live. Well, all I want to do is be on screen live. I never got in alive.


Then I thought, oh, maybe I can host it all while knowing I would also fucking panic. It's got to be the most stressful experience. And I was just curious what your experience Hosteen was like, what you did an amazing job.


Oh thanks. I'm only comfortable between action and cut. It's like the time in my life when I feel like I'm not supposed to be doing anything else, when I'm not doing anything wrong. And all modesty aside, I feel as though I'm good at it.


So between action and cut, I feel really comfortable. So honestly, I'm more scared at the time of all the leader.


Yeah, for sure. To them what happens is they take you back there, you're standing behind a curtain and then they're like Jason Segel and the curtains open and then you have no time to be scared.


It's just going and you're rushing around.


They're putting costumes on. I had a really, really, really great time. I got to do with the Muppets and all that stuff. That is one of my really fond memories I had that weekend.


OK, so that weekend was truly one of the best weekends of my life. I did David Letterman for the first time and then I hosted Saturday Night Live. And then the next day I got to meet Barack Obama.


Oh my house. Because we did a screening of the Muppets for like kids at the White House. You know, when I was kids, that was the weekend that I would probably bracket as if I could show younger self.


It would be like, hey, everything's going to be OK, you know.


Oh, wow. And also, probably four days later, the. That also dissipates. Yeah, somebody once said to me, I was going to Sundance, it was the end of the tour, the David Foster Wallace movie, and some people had seen it. And word was already kind of going around that it was a good movie and that I was good in it. And so I was headed there with the expectation of like, oh, this could be a good time.


And she took me aside and she said before I left, hey, it's really important that you be present for all of this because you are not going to be able to post enjoy. And that is really stuck with me, it's like showing a concert, you don't go back and watch it, right? You're missing it.


If you're not enjoying the stuff while it's happening, you're missing it. Yeah, I don't look back at that weekend with visceral joy.


I look back at it with intellectual understanding that it was joyful.


Yeah, but it's gone. I don't get to have it again, you know. Yeah. So you've got to have these moments while they're happening.


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Well, here's what happens to me in those situations or used to and increasingly don't anymore, so I owe everyone because I do went to Sundance or the movie and it was a drama and people were saying nice stuff.


And then instead of that being enough for me, I immediately go, hmmm, I bet like Scorsese is going to feel like I have to build something even more spectacular in my brain that I think now the doors opening up to. And I'm now living in that fantasy and not even enjoying the woman happen.


I've become obsessed over the past couple of years with not missing it. Yeah. Yeah.


It's on my mind a lot because I think that as we talked about with drinking, you miss a lot of time. And I think that was fear. You miss a lot of time. And so there's just a lot that I look back on and think, man, you missed it. Yeah, I never want to miss it again.


I'm with you, man. That's such a great goal to have when you have kids. That is something you have you just get really vigilant about because for me, it's like, OK, I got to get this kid to sleep through the night. Objective one, OK? I got to get this kid out of diapers. I got to get this kid off a bottle. I'll get get this kid to walk. I get it can easily become this list of benchmarks and then I have to go like, no, no.


The period where they don't walk is its own thing to have loved and not wanted to get out of, but just to have enjoyed. And yeah. It's a challenge. Yeah.


I have a friend who said something to me that I think about a lot. He said he's a very anxious dude. He finally had a kid. I was asking him about it and he said, I wish I had had a kid much earlier in my life because having a kid alleviated all of my irrational anxieties said I'm left with real anxieties about the safety of my child and all that. But I have no time to worry about all this other bullshit.


I couldn't agree more. I've said on here a bunch of times, it really rightsized all my concerns like, yeah, to me it was also probably one of the biggest things to help me get over my career obsession in my identity in that space, because I was just like the only thing that's important is these kids eat and they're healthy and then everything else is gravy.


And then ironically, once everything else was gravy, it went better. Totally.


Well, you know, in terms of the career obsession stuff, I don't know. I'll share something that I've been thinking lately. I think there is a real freedom to this era that we're in, which I mourned for a minute.


But there is so much content, so much stuff that I think that the days of something being a giant success or a giant failure are kind of gone.


You watch something if you want to watch it. Most things now are just an icon on whatever streaming box you're going through and you watch it. If it looks interesting and if you start something you don't like, you just turn it off and watch something else.


So while I think the chance of having these giant impacts has diminished, I also think that there is a great freedom to just make stuff and not worry so much about any of it, like you were saying. But, you know. Oh, but what if someone sees this and it becomes this and this is just not what's happening anymore?


Right. You know? Yes. Yes. I've mourned it as well and been so grateful that I will not have to have that Friday morning ever again with tracking and all that shit. Oh, yeah. Scary, right?


It's just not worth it. It's not for me. For a lot of people it is for me. It's just not worth the end. To your point, if you make something great, it just lives forever.


People will fight like we started search party. Well, we're five years late on that, but finally we're enjoying the shit out of it right now. And we were three years late on the boys, but Obama said it was good.


So we started out like, yeah, it to me it seems like a much more.


And again, in sobriety, this was a trick I had to learn is like to live between three and seven. Like, that's the key. Yeah, right.


In this whole industry feels like it has moved more towards living in between three and seven.


Yes. Oh that's great. OK, dispatches from elsewhere. I just want to say as we learn that you and I are identical twins separated by five years, I'm in the future. The little sister. I do have a little sister, five years younger.


Oh. Oh, well, it's the multiverse. Oh, Jesus.


Yeah, it's in the in that multiverse. I could dunk. Yeah. I have a little sister. She's six years younger than me but yeah. But this was the thing where I was like he and I unless you had no say over this which I find hard to believe he wrote and directed it. But can we just digress on Sally Field for a second. If I had a time machine and I could marry any actress other than my wife, of course I would go back to nineteen seventy seven.


I'd walk onto the set of Whooper and I would propose to Sally Field.


Yeah. I mean listen, current Sally Field. Oh, but I'd like to have kids with her and stuff, so just that's the reason the time machine is. Yes, yes. Sally Field is a fucking bombshell.


I'd still it was a dream. You know, you write this thing. It's like everything you've ever written. You have no idea really if other people are going to respond to something that came from inside of your brain, then there's this other element of please believe me, like that's the subconscious thing happening. It's the subtext of these meetings is like, yeah, I'm also going to direct it. I've never directed before. There's all sorts of please believe me, built into this meeting between Sally.


Listen, I've got Sally Field, Richard E. Grant, Andre Benjamin and Evelyn Lee, who's this amazing discovery.


I did feel like I just don't really fucking lucky. You know, there's no I don't need to be too verbose about it. I just felt lucky.


You know, you go you go back to this thing like background belief of being, you know, that you're invited by mistake or that you're a con man. I think as I've gotten older, I've realized that nobody got the instruction book right.


Everyone is just doing it and everyone is just learning as they go.


So you can also I think that the big key to lack of anxiety around it is the not pretending that that's not what's happening. Right. Owning it. I just own it like, yeah, it's my first time directing.


If I do anything that bugs you, let me know it is not intentional. I'm like doing this for the first time. I had discussions like that and I think that that was very free. Someone who had directed themselves said to me, the other thing I would say to people is, hey, I'm directing myself, which I have never done, and I'm going to be in scenes with you while directing. And this is going to be weird. Yeah.


You know, so you like say it and then it kind of breaks the ice a little bit.


Well, when we were shooting chips and almost all the scenes are me and Michael Peña. Michael is a much better actor than I am. There's no question it's objectively he's better of an actor. But I cut and then I would give him some suggestions. And this was going on for two weeks. Right. And all of a sudden it occurred to me, I said I said, Michael, I hope you know, before I talk to you, I'm like, oh, you fuck that.


Make that faster. You got to like, I'm giving myself notes. They're just not out loud. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I hope you know that I don't think I'm doing this great. Yeah.


Totally, totally.


And I'm like I can even say them out loud if you'd like before I then I want you to know I don't think I'm just fucking crushing.


So you just break yourself for a minute.


Yeah. OK, our friend now compounded with an already challenging movie world.


Then you have covid and it sucks. As an actor, we've talked to some directors that, you know, that's their last two years and this is why it's coming out. It's six Drive-Ins. It's it's so heartbreaking for them in that respect.


But I imagine you had different plans for this movie that it would be you'd be going all over the place with it.


Well, we got to go to TIFF, the Toronto Film Festival, before everything shut down. Oh, that's nice. Yes. So that was really exciting.


And yeah, I mean, I suppose, like you said, they're theoretical, other visions of what would happen, but I actually wasn't that attached to them.


I feel like, to be honest right now, a movie coming out that people can watch at home, that is of this subject matter feels totally good to me. You know, the movie is heartbreaking in a lot of ways, but it is also very uplifting story. It's true.


It's true story about someone emerging from a really terrible tragedy of losing his wife, being able to process this as a story of friendship, because basically his best friend, their best friend who I play comes in real life, came to take care of them and just lived with them for two years.


Basically his. Yeah. Gave up his life and lived with them throughout the process.


So there is a little part of me that feels like the movie became more relevant over this past year, where these stories of friendship, despite all odds and over these really bizarre circumstances, there's a new meaning to it. So I'm pretty happy it's coming out now.


It looks beautiful and it looks like the three of you have that thing that casts magically have or they don't, which is it looks like you guys love each other like you that feel. Yeah. Clear and you just get kind of lucky, right? Yes.


I think there is a few things at play. One, Dakota and I have known each other for a long time, like ten years or so. And so we have a deep, rich friendship that we were able to just kind of realize on screen.


Casey and I don't know, we. Heather didn't know each other, but it wanted to work together for a long time and had sort of like lightly touched along the way, almost working together and never quite worked out.


So we got to know each other on screen, which is what the movie required that worked out really well because there's some improv in it and it was just very natural. And then the reason I think it all works is the director is from documentary. She she had done a narrative before, but she directed Blackfish.


Oh, boy. The SeaWorld movie Shark and a few other great documentaries.


But she comes from this point of view of like wanting all the scenes to feel like a camera is a fly on the wall.


Catching real moments as opposed to a movie like this could very easily be a melodrama. Yeah, yeah.


But it doesn't feel that way and feels like you are catching some real moments on screen. So she kind of strove towards that, like, hey, this scene, I just need you and Casey, this is a scene about you two getting along. So I'm assuming all the cameras. Can you guys get along for the next, you know.


Yeah, it's fun. Yeah.


Just sidenote, we interviewed him and he delivers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.


I know where you guys live. That is that is such a cool neighborhood.


Oh I'm so delighted to be here. Yeah. Kind of moved here by accident and then just over time been like, wow, I accidentally landed in the best place in L.A. it's the coolest. And then Monica just bought a house across the street from us. Oh, congratulations.


Yeah. Yeah. But at any rate, when I interviewed him, I just I was honest about the fact I said, you know, every time we bump into each other and we start talking, all I'm thinking is, oh, this guy thinks I'm a terrible actor because he's such a good actor. He's just thinking, oh, this guy's a buffoon. He's a monkey.


And he said, because, oh, all I'm thinking about is this time six years ago I yelled Merry Christmas and a funny voice. And then you said it back in what I thought was a mocking tone.


Yeah. And I thought, oh, he thinks I'm blank. And I was like, this is fucking perfect. Just a couple of insecure. Do you know what?


It's everybody. It's everybody is. It is.


He is a truly incredible actor. And I learned so much from him to the point that I was very lucky I got to shoot something over the break over quarantine, there was that little lull in the middle where it seemed like things might be under control. And we went shot something in a humble and on the drive up. I just realized that I did not know how to play this character that I had been hired to play.


I took the part because I felt like I'll have this figured out by the time I show up and I was getting into panic mode and I didn't know what to do and I literally just called Casey and I explained to him what I had to do and what I was getting hung up on.


And he talked me through it and gave me advice and stuff.


I felt really, really lucky. Yeah, man, I'm sure you've experienced this, but the power of I don't know or like I need help is like, whoa, what a tool.


It's the very hardest thing for me to do in life. That's all reason my relapse, like, really took off because I was to either too proud. I'm supposed to know everything about this. I've been doing this for sixteen years. I'm in some gray area. I'm afraid that the gray area will count is a black area. So I'm not going to tell anyone, you know, just it just right back into all the shit or I'm incapable of humbling myself and saying I'm scared and confused and lost.


And for me that can be lethal.


I mean, it's literally what dispatches from elsewhere is about.


And by the time you get to the finale, I play Jason Segel and that whole process of opening up to sharing these feelings that I cling to Gollum, you know, like these dark feelings that are my precious releasing them has completely taken away their power, maybe not completely, but a lot, you know.


Yeah, I've learned to do in relationships. I can say it to Chris and I have been able to for probably eight years where I'm starting to get really irrationally upset about some pretty inane thing. Yeah. And I'm not smart enough to go. I'm afraid of something. I need a half hour to figure out what I'm afraid of. Yeah. And then I'll go to her and I'll say the thing I'm afraid of and she'll go, that's not going to happen, you know, blah, blah, blah.


And then it's completely over. But if I don't do that, it just builds into, you know, a fucking skyscraper. Yeah.


I mean, it's just you bouncing around in your own head like king of your own skull sized kingdom, just you and you and the dysfunction, right.


Yeah. Running the show. Yeah. Well, the movie looks beautiful and all three of you are great actors. And where can people stream it and when can they stream it.


The twenty second. And it'll be in whatever theaters or. If people are going to theaters, I don't know, I can't imagine, but it'll be on all the streaming things, so iTunes, Amazon on demand, all that stuff now is one upside is that you can do a whole press tour from your library.


I mean, yeah, we did it the other day. It was it was a delight.


But it also, you know, I think there are some things from this pandemic that we will probably keep, you know, all of this all this unnecessary drive time and all that stuff. But I do think, you know, I was thinking about the future of movies and all that and like, wow, we've really learned that you can just take in all this entertainment at home.


But I do think that maybe on the other side of all this, the idea of going out to a date night and going to see a movie like Fuck maybe even will bounce back the other direction where we will recognize how important this stuff is.


We've had a couple different. We had an organizational sociologists and we had a psychologist on it and both predicted that the roaring 20s is coming like that was the response to the 1918 pandemic. Was the roaring 20s so great. A lot of people are of the opinion that people are going to go fucking berserk. And when you just said go on a date to the movies, I had the same chills in my body as when I was looking forward to going to Cancun on spring break in 11th grade.


Sounds that exotic and sexy.


And, you know, there's like these versions of movie theaters that are opening now that are there, like talk about the roaring 20s. It's like, you know, fun and you have dinner in a bar and then, you know, the movie theater is made to be really comfy and nice.


And it's you know, I think the other thing is that when you're watching this stuff at home, it all becomes so disposable.


You know, if you don't like it 10 minutes and you just shut it off and you're texting and you know all of this stuff, I made a habit now of trying to spend so much time over quarantine.


OK, now I'm going to watch one of the movies that you say you've seen at dinner parties, but you have to put the phone down and we're just going to watch it.


And, you know, what I discovered is it's fucking heart. Oh, sure. And that's a bummer. Yeah.


It is a bummer that I cannot sit and watch a masterpiece for an hour and a half without seeing if I've been tested, you know, checking in on who's thinking about me.


Yes. But, you know, the thing I have great guilt over is there are some of these shows where we have invested three seasons, Four Seasons, and I won't make it halfway through the first episode of whatever season I'm like, I'm out.


They fucked it up. Yeah. And oh, Jesus, what a fair weather friend. I've got like 36 hours invested in this and like halfway through season six, episode one, I'm like, now they I don't know what happened.


I'm going, well, even when you're writing, there's like, you know, there is an old old impulse of you write this thing so well that like when they watch it the second time, they are like, no, not anymore.


Do not. No one's watching it a second time. No, not with a thousand hours of new content coming out every week. Oh, well, again, grateful that we're on the same road. I know a wise man like. Yes, really nice talk to you. Kristen told me to tell you hi. Best co-star ever.


Oh, easily. By far. Yeah. Yeah. Wonderful. Well, good luck with our friend. January 22nd. Buy it. Put your phone down. Yeah. You'll find out that the people we're thinking about, you'll just be delayed by an hour and a half.


Yeah. Yeah exactly. Yeah. And they'll want me more.


Yeah. I'm going anywhere. All right, Jason. Well, I adore you. It's really great to talk to you again, by the way. It's been such a long time. I agree.


I hope we'll bump into each other in a secret capacity.


OK, yeah. You got all right. You got it. Stay tuned for more armchair expert, if you dare.


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And now my favorite part of the show, the fact check with my soulmate Monica Padman.


Welcome to another session of mass construction just on the other side of the window.


Do you think you can hear all the beeping? Did you see another episode of mass construction?


What's a mass construction? Massive construction. I heard mass. Oh, sure. And that is a that's a hot button topic right now.


Mask Kurup eruption mask is a hot button topic.


Well, everyone's wearing masks. Oh, sure, sure, sure. Corona mask. Yeah, there's construction.


Your pool is getting blog and there's a lot of reversing of the heavy equipment in it. So there's a lot of beeping. So if you hear that, don't worry that a car is reversing into you. It's a big piece of heavy earth moving equipment backing into our building.


I do hate that when I'm listening to it happens in music a lot where I have the radio on and then a lot of, like, the beats have like siren sounds.


And I get very anxious because I'm like, oh, there's a siren. And then really it's the music and I'm sorry for doing that to people.


Yeah. That's why I kind of wanted to put it out there. Like if you hear beeping, well, gosh, now we're in a pickle because what if there's also real boom?


My God, take your surround caterpillar bulldozers backing up into somebody and they think it's just on the show. Oh, fuck. Well, still be aware of your surroundings. And also it's probably us.


We covered all really.


I think we didn't call Jason Segel one of your many crushes. Yep.


Yeah, yeah. I'm not going to say no. You know, I think he's both funny, obviously.


Maybe smart, talented, cute, tall, tall. Get the oaf, get the full ride the other.


Well my gosh, that was so, so it made me sad and it was really funny. I wish I could go back in time and stand up for him, although it was his friends don't sound like just they didn't maybe know that was a bad thing to say exactly how I feel.


Sometimes people have to say like, hey, actually he doesn't like that of the pejorative.


No one wants that.


No one wants to be called.


You know, Forno wants to ride the oh, well, I mean, naturally, everyone wants to be the ofat people ride on probably that.


And also if you like the attention, maybe we're like, oh, that's attention. I'll take it.


No, ok, ok. I'm going back in time. I'm fixing this. OK, I should all people that we woke up so early today, we really did for us.


Let's be clear. Yeah. Most people have to get up pretty early, but yeah I was up at six Europe at six forty five and we did an interview at seven thirty a.m., which is not what we do.


It's not ideal, but it was great. It was phenomenal. We both didn't want to do it because it's too early. And I was being a brat about it. I was not going to say if you were. I was. I was. And it was wonderful and I was delighted. And then it was over.


I was like, oh, my gosh, it's only I have already done a good interview today. I know.


Do you think we should be scheduling them for that time? Yeah, I kind of do, too. Well, I mean, I hate waking up.


Howard Stern's whole career has existed between five a.m. and 10 a.m. That's what his naps will ERTMS right with us.


But not like Eric's teams that are just naps. They go enlightened.


He'd be if he really was me every time, every time. Knab So Eric, our friend Eric, we're always like, where's Eric? Oh, he's meditating. Like, he meditates a lot. But really he's just napping. That's right.


That's OK. That's OK. He deserves it. Of course he does. Everyone deserves a nap.


I have a hard time accepting. I do. That's my big conundrum. One time you shamed me about taking naps when I want to get into more how the sausage is made.


So I left and you and Kristen recorded it. Yes. Yes, we did.


I went home with the full intention to work out and then I thought I was lay in my bed for one second before I rally to go work out.


And then I took a nap. I took a thirty minute nap. And I should've just kept going, really? Yeah, but I felt very guilty about it. How could you feel guilty if you were asleep? Because I kept waking up and I'm like, I feel so good. Yeah, I set an alarm and it goes off and then it hit snooze. Feel bad when I'm hitting snooze.


So did you do like a ten minute nap and then to snoozes. Snoozes.


I think I did a 20 minute nap and one plus two snooze. Oh, 40.


OK, I think my snooze is set to five is you're set to ten.


I think it's ten on the iPhone. It's ten. We'll fuck.


Maybe it was a 40 minute video.


Probably it was in my shame is having me shave off ten minutes.


Maybe it was a 30 minute nap plus two snoozes. 50 minute. No I, I definitely was like oh 20 minutes is supposed to be the ideal nap.


Yeah it is. It's supposed to be a what they call a power nap. Yeah. Powerful nap. Yeah. And so I thought well bang. Not a powerful nap then work out then go back and record with my twenty minutes is never enough time.


I've tried to power nap before and it just doesn't work for me. It's like an hour minimally sometimes too.


Yeah. Yeah. Depending on how tired I am. Tired a lot. OK anyway Jason. Very attractive. Yes. Yes. And allowed to take naps if he wants. I wonder you said a thousand hours of new content come out every week. I mean you were saying it kind of generic. You were just like yeah, I was being hyperbolic.


In 2018, Netflix put out nearly ninety thousand minutes, close to fifteen hundred hours of original series movies and other productions. That's nearly nine consecutive weeks of binge watching. It would have taken more than four hours of streaming per day every day of twenty eighteen to watch all of it.


Oh, wow. Yeah. Wow, wow, wow.


Four hours a day every day. Yeah. Do you think some people have done that last year. Probably nine times.


And that was twenty eighteen. Oh gosh. I can't wait to see the numbers on two thousand twenty I'm sure.


Yeah. I just wonder if anyone could be interested in everything on Netflix.


There's such variety. You've got to go through all the teen shows. You got to do the children's shows. You got theCIA. That's the horror you got.


You know, you got to do all of Doc Bridgton. I think I heard on the radio yesterday. Bridgton is the most watched show on Netflix today ever. No. Yeah, really? Yeah. I haven't watched it. Nor did I miss that. Great.


Well, people love it and I'm so glad for Shonda Rhimes. And I'm not surprised because of course Shonda Rhimes did that. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.


OK, and one other thing about Netflix. So in twenty seventeen users watched more than one hundred and forty million hours of content per day or a billion hours per week, all the users a billion hours per week. That was twenty seventeen before they even had Leupen.


Yeah, that's four years ago. Yeah. It's got to be double that now.


Do you want to tell people what happened about Leupen. No, because I, you know, I don't like ever being critical of people's but it's more about objects.


Well OK.


This will happened because I love it. Can we do some precursors. Sure. You and I have almost identical tastes. The middle of our Venn diagram is large, 90 percent large. And it's more than that because when we object to a thing, it's generally the exact same objection. Like whenever you Christiania watching the show and then we'll check in. And then generally you and I, if we have a complaint, it's generally the exact same complaint. Often, yeah.


Yeah, often. Not often. That's right. OK, so I just wanted that to be in the ether.


OK, ok, so then I was recommended Leupen and I watched it and I just thoroughly enjoyed that show.


I was eating it up. I loved it. Really enjoyable, high recommend and I told DAX and Kristen to watch it and they did. They started it. Yeah. And then I checked in yesterday with DAX. I said, well what do you think of Luban? They had watched three episodes out of the five and he said. Scared to tell you, and I said, oh, you don't like it, and he said, well, it's just OK.


Then he had some criticisms that we won't get into because I don't want to do that thing. Yeah.


By the way, I liked it. I didn't dislike it. I didn't. I watched three. I'm going to watch the remaining two.


Yeah. Yeah. You had criticisms and you are laying them out for me.


And I was like, OK, sure. OK, so, you know, we have different opinions on this. And then you just kept going.


Yeah, I did it because I was having a lot of cognitive dissonance. I'm like, these are things you and I object to. Why don't you why aren't you objecting to? I was having them. You know, at that point it's deeper than the show is like, wait, no, we have we have a similar sensibility and now I feel like in jeopardy.


I just wanted to hear your take on those things. Right. Like why why didn't that bother you? It seems like that would be something that would bother. Sure, sure.


Sure. And you are more just which is totally in your right to do it, just like you didn't feel the need to defend. Why that didn't bother you. Just like. Yeah, I like it. Yeah. Yeah. Was like OK.


I thought of the I thought yes I kind of thought it would be more of a debate.


Yeah. Yeah. What was the code we learned was Adam. Yeah. I'm not so sure. Does it. Do you want to do. Yeah. And I would have said no. Oh yeah. Yeah. I could have saved the whole thing damn it.


So I give an analogy.


Pickle's no you made it because I said I said look I already know.


I already told you I liked it. So like, there's no reason for you to keep going on and on about what's wrong with it. Right. And I equated it to when I'm eating something like if I'm eating a tuna sandwich like a tuna is a great depolarizing.


So it's a great example for this. So if I'm eating a tuna sandwich and I'm loving it. Yeah. And somebody got at McDonald's and someone sits there, if you're sitting there and you're like, oh, I hate tuna, yuck, tuna's gross.


And by the way, people do this a lot when other people are eating.


And it is such a pet peeve of mine because I'm like, I'm eating it.


Yeah. Yeah. There's no reason for you to say it's gross. You cannot like it. You don't have to say that. Yeah, I don't really do that.


So what I change. I said I don't think that's super analogous. What would be more analogous you had is you had to upgrade my analogy.


Well to make it because we both in your scenario, we both like tuna. That's the problem. You and I like the same stuff. So I said it's more like you and I love pickles, but we hate spicy pickles. And then I come in and I see that you're eating the spicy pickle and I go, Oh, that's interesting. Why this spicy pickle?


That's the analogy I think makes sense anyhow.


So if somebody is eating tuna, like maybe you just don't say you don't like it, you can not like it. Right. It's not for you. That's OK. Yeah, but like it's kind of shaming.


Also, tuna is very approachable.


Just the broader statement. It's not that offensive. You put enough mayonnaise in it. You really just haven't had any sandwich which are all good sandwiches are ultimately just mayonnaise sandwiches, chicken salad.


We love that. Don't make any mayonnaise or mustard sandwich. It is.


OK, so one of my favorite quotes, parables ever is a David Foster Wallace. This is water and come up so much in the last three weeks. It has. And I want to read it. I mean, I'm not gonna read the whole thing.


It's a commencement speech to David Foster Wallace, but he then turned into a whole book, I believe it just got published.


And it's I think it's a Kenyan college. Yeah, Kenyan college. And I'll just read the beginning. This is the part that's important.


Greetings, parents, and congratulations to Kenyans graduating class of 2005 five. There are these two young fish swimming along and they happened to meet an older fish swimming the other way who nods at them and says, Morning, boys, how's the water? And the two young fish swim on for a bit. And then eventually one of them looks over at the other and goes, What the hell is water?


OK, then there's a lot more, but that's that's the parable, that's a setup, that's a setup. And then the speech is called is Water. So it's really profound.


I think that we're we're all moving through life and there are things all around us and we miss them.


And we it's white noise. Yeah. That's why I like traveling so much.


Therein lies why I have wanderlust, because you file your own environment, the one you're in the most, you file it into white noise so your brain gets so good at canceling out all these distractions. But when you go somewhere else, you're kind of forced to take it all in your body. Your subconscious isn't hasn't identified.


This is true. Is extraneous. Yeah. And so you kind of notice everything. I'll get like super into the way the signs look over there simply because they're different.


I don't I don't like cosigns. Look here. I'm not like enamored with a fucking mile per hour sign.


But when I'm in Europe and I see a little blue circle around, I'm like, look at that. That is interesting. Everything becomes interesting. Yeah.


Oh, I hope I don't run out of places to go. You won't. There's so many. There are. Maybe that's why.


What's this touch got into underwater exploration.


The octopus guy.


The octopus guy. Oh no, no.


The the director of Titanic and Jim Cameron. Jim Cameron. Maybe he saw every place on terra firma and those was like, I got to go see some new shit called to see. That's interesting. Yeah, I just came up with it. Wow. I can't tell you, but I think I've been working. Yeah.


It feels like that's really been fleshed out. OK, you miss this because you stood up to show Jason the picture on the wall that we have from US Weekly that says, would you date DAX. I know. Said No. You got up to show him that. And while you were getting up, Jason said, man, you're fit. And I'm so bummed I missed that. Yeah, but you said you must do until you missed it during the hullabaloo that you were creating when you got up.


OK, but I when I was editing, I heard it.


Uh huh, yeah. What a bummer. I know. Because what would you have said. I would have said thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah. And so I'm saying it now. Thank you so much, Jason. Yeah. I wish I would've heard that. Wow. And you know, what's interesting is he didn't even know what I was about to show him. So it's kind of an antidote to what I was showing him.


I was showing him this disapproval of me. Right. And he was giving approval and I could have cancelled it all out at the same time.


Well, true. Yeah. You said that you guys are five years late on search party.


That's correct. Is it exactly five year 2016? Oh, wow. I wanted to correct that fact, but I can't. Oh, you assumed it was newer.


I was like, well, it's probably like four years or something or two.


Yeah. Oh, good. That's good. I certainly wouldn't have bet any amount of money on that. I guess it just felt right in the moment and it was kind of like a multiple choice test. You always answer, well they and they say the first one you are drawn to statistically is usually the right instinct.


You're right. You're also always supposed to answer multiple choice because, you know, you could be right. Twenty five percent chance, right? Yeah, well, sometimes 20 depending on if they have like all of the above. Oh sure.


ABCDE a b c d e yeah.


Oh. Did you guys have Scantron or was that a big time.


Most of my tests were Scantron I believe. Oh I didn't know if that was like for you to pass your time. I'm actually surprised it was still in business when you got there, but. Oh yeah. So what do you think. There's still a thing.


Is it still the best way.


Yeah, I wasn't great at filling out those bubbles. It gave me anxiety. I always thought it was going to like get it out of the bubble and get it into another bubble when it was going to get.


Yeah, some people I think, try to put a little bit in a lot of them, frankly. Yes. Of it like that.


Right. That can't work, but it is easy as just filling in all bubbles.


Oh ok. OK, so he said that he over quarantine has decided he's going to watch a movie that dinner parties he says he watches but he's never seen. And I wanted to know what that is for you.




I don't think I tend then I've seen movies I haven't seen, but I'm embarrassed at times that there's movies I haven't seen, like, oh, boy, it's a wonderful life.


A miracle on thirty whatever street 30 fires right now and was a 30 second. Thirty four. Oh, wow, Scantron would have come on. Yeah, we you to see my instinct was bad.


Yeah, mine too. Let's see what I have but I guess I'm not a teacher. Well, I'm a little embarrassed. Oh, Mr. Smith goes to Washington. There's like a lot of movies, too.


I know the whole plot of, but I haven't seen the movie because they're kind of ubiquitous in culture. Oh, Atticus Finch, To Kill a Mockingbird.


Haven't seen it. Did you read it? No. Oh, so good. One of my favorite books of all time. It is.


Yeah, I got it. I got it. Here's exactly what happened. Wow.


I'm in a second time in this fact check. I'm in this position. I was going to go, oh, I can't even say for some reason I got the book in preparation of something.


I went and saw the play and I walked out. I got oh because of the doll playing a child and I can't do. Oh wow.


Yeah. How do you feel about adult playing adults playing children in a play. I could probably buy in. Yeah you could if there were good. But they're acting like a little kid.


Oh yeah. That's horrible.


Why didn't they just cast a kid. I don't know.


I can't watch adults be like, oh come on Paul, OK. Oh, that's so rough for me.


That might maybe my number one thing. OK, go.


OK, so I got the book and I was going to listen to it on tape, but I and I had just started and I had that bad experience and so then I just bailed out. Does that make sense?


Yeah, it is a beautiful book, top notch book. What was the theme in it that you think you responded to? Um.


You like people that are underestimated. Yeah, and Atticus Finch was underestimated. Well, there was a lot going on, but I don't want to talk about it, OK? Wow. This is a lot happening. It's too much too important to you.


I know what it is. It's too important of a book for you to not do a good to do like this halfway.




Yeah, I respect that. I respect that. Do you want to schedule a standalone episode where you do a book report. OK, ok.


So that's one you haven't seen. Right. That I feel like I should have seen one of yours. Mine are boring and I don't even know if I believe in them.


I mean, I haven't seen a lot of movies, so I'm sure I've lied in the past about having seen groundhogs, especially comedies.


I haven't seen Groundhog Day, but I don't know that I've lied about that.


You know, one I've definitely lied about. Oh, here we go. Happy Gilmore. OK. Never seen it right. And definitely have acted like I've seen it. OK, yeah.


Interesting. That's fun.


There's so many I've seen old school. OK, I hadn't seen Tommy Boy until last weekend right at Chris Farley.


I may have lied about that, but I'm also I'm pretty good at owning it. We play a really fun game. It's a warm up game, but I've brought it to the group and you're in a circle. You go around in the circle and you say a name of a movie that you think everyone in the group has seen. Mhm. Oh right. We are just trying to get to ten and you would be so shocked how almost impossible it is.


Yeah, I was shocked.


We played it in Indio for Eric's birthday. Eric ding ding ding again. And yes, the movies like Jurassic Park people didn't see.


Yeah it's wild. Exactly.


Jurassic Park is one that I have not seen fully through, but I've seen so many parts, not like clips, but like I've seen half the movie that I went away OK? And then I've seen like the other half a different time, you know, I've just pieced together, but I've never sat through a full viewing of Jurassic Park.


OK, well, then you can really would you say yes, though? You'd say I would, because as you've seen, I've seen it. I just haven't seen it in one sitting.


OK, it's really hard to do and it's really fun. This is a big ding, ding, ding. We were playing that game in Indio. Eric said hunting for Michelle. Oh, my God.


You're right, Michelle Marshall. So, yeah. You trying to say forgetting Sarah Marshall? Yeah. He's hunting for Michelle or something like that.


All of it was all fun and everyone was like, what?


No, no, no. In that movie. And he's like, no, Kristen. Oh, my God. Forgetting Sarah Marshall.


I didn't fan out, but I love that movie. Yeah, I really do. I think it's so good.


It's a damn good movie. It is. That's all. That was it. Yeah. OK, I mean I have some other stuff but that's boring. OK. I want to I want to hear it's boring, OK? I wrote Oh Hi, Getaway, Ted and Mary, because you said they're a gateway. Oh, I wrote Gateway, Ted and Mary and Ted Danson and Mary Steenburgen. I just didn't know. Everyone knows that they live in Ohio.


And so people stay with them who know them.


Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe it sounded namedrop B if I was going to say the whole thing. But you're right. What a confusing thing. Who the fuck Ted marry. But yes, when Kristin was working with Papa Ted, as we call them, they invited us in. It's Eden. That's awesome. Yeah.


Although I don't think they still have that house. Oh, really? Yeah, that's what I think.


Well, don't go searching for 10 Marianelli.


Yeah. Look elsewhere. Oh. Do you think we could describe the backing up of the bulldozer as ding ding ding. It's more of a beep beep beep but. Because I was just going to say, ding, ding, ding, the beep, beep, beep stopped. Oh, well, why is that a ding, ding, ding? Because we started the other the fact check discussing it. Now it's over. Oh right. Is the fact checks anymore.


Oh wow.


That feels like a ding ding. That's nice.


That's a ding ding ding.


Love you. Love you.