What is up, Daddy? Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with call her daddy, daddy. Julia Fox, welcome to call her daddy.

Thank you for having me.

How was your weekend?

My weekend was pretty well. It's like when I'm not traveling, I have just more work to do at, like, never. It's just like always, constantly work, work.

So when you're in New York, you're kind of like almost on work mode and then you're trying to.

And mommy mode, like full time. Congratulations. Thank you.

So incredible.

Thank you.

So you were just working? Although I think I did see on a little site that you were at.

Yeah, yeah. It was like my sister's birthday. So shout out, Richie. And we went to Emilio's and then we went to Paul de Grande, which is funny. Like, I haven't been there in literally ten years or something. I used to go all the time. It's like my neighborhood club. And it was funny. Like, I walked in and the DJ started playing like Kanye west. And all these really excited white boys were rapping all the lyrics really passionately. And it was an experience. It was cool.

Probably a different experience than the last time you were there. And then now you're there singing a song in your face. You're like, okay, everybody calm down. I know white boys. Relax.

Yeah, it was amazing, though.

Samal day for you. Like, I want to know, like, you woke up today, like, what did you do? Like, what is your day?

I mean, I immediately just tend to my son, so it's like, brush teeth, breakfast, bath, play. Then after a couple of hours, I'll put him down for a nap and that's when my day begins. So then it's like, okay, then I'll shower and brush my teeth and answer my emails and just pretty much get to work. Love it. But other than that, it's like my son is always, like, my number one. And everything's always kind of just built around his schedule. That's kind of when I can focus on myself.

Your birthday is on Wednesday.

Yeah.

Happy early birthday.

Thank you.

What are your birthday plans?

I think we're going to go to Lucienne. Yeah. Because I've grown up. I grew up with Zach, Lucienne's son. R I p, Lucienne. And, yeah, I had my son's birthday there. Just like, easy.

Is it going to be a big party?

I think so.

Have you picked out your outfit?

No, we're not there yet. I don't know. Maybe my stylists have something, have been working on something, but I don't know. I haven't seen it yet.

Well, you've been, like, iconic recently in the fashion game. Who are you loving as a designer? Right? I mean, you can say Kanye. I respect it.

I mean, I love Daniel at Skeparelli a lot, Glenn Martins at Diesel and JPG, which I also love. I love Wang as well. Vivian Westwood.

So you're not planning your outfits too far in advance? I mean, Julia, it's Monday. You have no birthday outfit.

Yeah, no, but everything's kind of like that with me.

Okay, so you're kind of just like a fly by your pants gal? Yes.

Everything's last minute, and we're just kind of winging it and pulling it together. Even that eyeliner moment, we just decided, let's try it and see if it looked like. You know what I mean? It wasn't planned out. Everything's just.

How did you feel about that? That everyone was like, whoa, what the fuck?

People hated it. I loved it. I just wanted it more. Bigger, smudgier. I don't know. I just feel like I'm so over seeing the perfect contouring and the perfect lashes. I want to be real. I want to just be more, just real. And I don't want to be perfect. And I don't need everyone to like me. I'm not here for that.

I feel like it was such a bold choice. And even though people were, like, shitting on it, everyone was talking about, no.

And then Chanel did their eye makeup, you know what I mean? Similarly that way. And then I saw it in other places as well. And it's like, that's fucking cool.

Was everyone around you hyping you up, and then it was just the Internet shitting on you? Like, everyone's like, oh, my God, it looks so good.

Yeah. In person, everyone was gagging and loved it. And then on the Internet, obviously, people hated it. But it's like, that's when you know you did something good, when everyone shits on it.

No, dude, I did one in different. I've done that semi before, but not as exaggerated. And I got so much shit on my picture, and I was kind of like, fuck off. I was trying something different.

Let me live. I know.

People are so fucking rude on the Internet.

Okay. I didn't know how bad it was until recently. Yeah.

And now, do you read the comments?

Sometimes. Very rarely. I don't Google anything. I don't read the headlines. Like, I never see anything. But occasionally, obviously, I do see it. It's impossible not to, but I just laugh. Like it doesn't really affect me. I don't care.

Are there anyone's that do affect you?

If someone says something about my kid, I'll block them.

Love.

Yeah. Other than, like, not really. I don't care.

I love New York. I used to live here. I moved to LA, so I miss it, and I'm so happy when I'm back. What neighborhood makes you feel most at home?

I would have to say the East Village, just because I probably spent the most years cumulatively there. And I went to high school there and just like, downtown in general. But I also have a lot of PTSD from the east Village as well. You know what? Yeah. Like, every block, I'm like, oh, that happened there. You got in a fight. It's. Everything's like a reminder of high school. It's like the worst time ever.

My first apartment was in lower east side, and I feel the same way. I'll see a street and be like, don't look. Yeah, that's the street I vomited on.

Fuck.

But it's also kind of like, okay, so east village is your place?

Definitely.

I saw this TikTok and I was, like, dying for it. So someone was like, okay, we're going to play Mary fuck kill, but with New York neighborhoods. And I can go first because I was like, okay, this is actually funny. I feel like I would kill Murray Hill, definitely. Okay.

Yeah.

Okay. Then I would fuck West Village, maybe, and then marry Tribeca.

Okay. Yeah, that's pretty accurate. I would either marry Upper east side or Tribeca.

Love.

Yeah.

Who would you kill?

I mean, Murray Hill was pretty spot on because, you know, you lived here. Yeah. So you get there. I know there's, like, a theater. Like a movie theater.

What's going on?

And then that's like, I'm not really. Yeah. Like, honestly, probably that. Or, like, yeah, that's probably Hill. Murray Hill dies because every other neighborhood has something redeemable. That's like, it's New York, you know? Like, totally. And then Murray Hill, you're like, literally the movie theater. I don't know.

I agree. How do you think growing up in New York City affected how quickly you matured?

Well, I think it definitely affected how quickly I matured because at a very young age, I was exposed to a lot of adult situations just leaving the house, you know what I mean? You just are going to see it. So I think the exposure and then also not really being monitored properly and then kind of just being curious and also kind of fearless and just wanting to see the world and wanting to go have experiences and go live my life.

Yeah, because your parents were divorced and you were.

No, they're actually still married.

But your dad lived in.

But they've never lived in the same country, so it's like a weird. I don't know. My mom's italian. She doesn't really like. Like, she likes Italy and wants to stay there. And my dad, I don't know, it just didn't really work.

Have, like, how would you describe. Did you have any supervision growing up, really, in New York? No, just a flat? No. You're like, absolutely not.

No. And so he tried, my dad. There were times when it would be really getting out of control where he would try. I remember one time, but that's the thing. It's like when you grow up with just your dad, it's like such a different home environment. I remember one time he literally slept in the chair, like one of those recliner chairs in front of the front door so that I wouldn't leave. And I just climbed out my window. I lived on the second floor, and we had a fire escape, so I just climbed out the fire escape. And then at, like 10:00 a.m. I came knocking. No, it wasn't 10:00 a.m. Because he was still sleeping in the chair as I'm knocking. It was probably like 07:00 a.m. Or something. And I'm knocking. And he woke up, and he was actually more impressed and laughing. Thought it was funny that I still found. He's like, you're like, how did you do it? How did you do it? And I was just like, I have my ways. Don't ask.

Grounding you would never work.

No, the most maybe they would do is take my phone away. Got it. But then it's like, I don't care. Let's go out. Yeah. And then you won't be able to reach me even more.

How old were you when you first went clubbing?

Like, proper clubbing? Maybe like 14.

How did you get an ID?

Oh, my God. We literally. My friend Alex, she printed them. They were so bad. That was actually my first fake ID. But then obviously we ended up figuring it out and we would just use that. And they were so clearly fake. But I think it's like, you see slutty. Like, picture the two girls in the movie 13. You get that vibe, and it's like you're going to let them in the hot. I had braces, and they were letting me in.

Girl, go ahead, sweetie. You definitely look 27. When did you first experiment with drugs.

Probably in middle school, like 6th or 7th grade.

Was it just because you found them through friends?

I think the first drugs that I ever tried was weed. And it was actually my friend's mom who had it. And it was very casual in their household to just smoke weed together and pass it around. And then that's kind of where I started smoking weed a lot, like every day. That was like 7th grade.

Do you still smoke weed?

Yeah, love it.

Did you ever get in trouble with the law growing up?

Definitely.

Tell us.

Yeah. Oh, my God, so much. I was actually on probation for three years. And that really saved my life in a way, because for the first time it was like, I'm grounded. Do you know what I mean? I remember my first drug test on probation came back positive for marijuana. And it was like this big thing about, am I going to go to prison for a year? What is my probation officer going to do? And then she just gave me some drug, really intense drug program that I needed to do and that was it. But it was know a lot of situations like that where it was by miracle that it didn't end up worse for me. But I really honestly credit Ms. Cortez, my probation officer, because she really made sure that even. She even said she was like, I know your type. She was like, I know you're manipulative and I know you're a liar. Yeah. And I was so sweet and cute and blah, blah. And she could see right through me. And that was really difficult. It was like, oh, fuck. Okay, I'm really going to have to do this now.

Because now she can.

Yeah, it's not someone I can. Bullshit. No.

When you say you were like manipulating and lying, was it mostly to adults, any authority figure?

Not to my friends or anything. Just like any type of authoritative situation.

What were you on probation for that time?

That was like credit card stuff and it was grand larceny and a bunch of other type. It was just a bunch of really big things. And we were indicted. And me and my best friend, who is actually one of my stylists now, and she was my co defendant, and we had to go to, I think it was like the supreme court. I honestly can't even remember because I would literally show up like high on ecstasy from the night before and sometimes miss court too, and not show up at like. It was like, that was the type of shit I was on. I really didn't care what happened to me and I didn't care about my future.

When was the first time you got in trouble with the law.

Like the first time, probably in middle school, like running away from home, getting picked up, stuff like that. Nothing really serious. Maybe we're at a party, they're kicking us out. Like little things like that. The first time I was arrested. Arrested. I think I was like, stealing from, like, it might have been like, know. I know I got arrested stealing at Bloomingdale's, but it might have been somewhere else. But I'm pretty sure it was Bloomingdale's this time.

So then when you were indicted, that was like kind of the catalyst.

Well, it was amazing, though, because then years later, I ended up doing a campaign for Bloomingdale's. And as I come in, they're like, come and check in through the side entrance. And they wanted my ID. And I was like, oh, my God, they're going to surge in the system.

That I'm banned here.

The actual campaign was in the store and it was so funny, but it was like really full circle.

You're like, now I'm giving back.

Yeah. Paying my.

Wow, so you ended up getting in? You were fine?

Yeah, no, it was fine.

So when did you start supporting yourself financially and why?

As a teenager, pretty young. I remember always wanting to work. I remember being 16 and getting the right paperwork so that I could work at a store or. I always wanted to work, but it wasn't enough money to support myself. Independent. I wanted to be independent. And then I was kind of forced into a situation that I can't really go too deep in. But I was forced to be independent. And it was like, fuck, I can't work at the pastry shop forever. You know what I mean? That's not going to cut it. I'm going to need more money. So I just went on Craigslist and I went on the adult section and everything was like, sex, that type of vibe. Be my slutty secretary. And I was like, I don't know if I can do that. I was still like a kid. I wasn't comfortable to have sex with a stranger. I wasn't even comfortable to have sex with someone that I knew. So I saw an ad and it was like, no sex, no nudity, and can make up to 1000 something dollars a day or something. Like, it would have a huge number to me.

I was like, this is the most money I've ever heard in my life. So obviously I went and I met up with this really kind of insane looking white guy with this long black trench coat. And he had me write a sadistic BDSM fantasy and just like, off the top, write it. And I did, and he loved it, and he hired me on the spot. And then obviously, I roped some of my BFF to come with me because I was like, I can't do this alone. And that was then to that, and I was just naturally very good at it. Yeah. And then working there, I feel like it was really good for my self esteem. I think I went in there really not unsure of myself, not really confident in who I was, and I definitely left knowing my worth.

When you say you were dominatrix, I think so many people actually don't even know what that means. Can you describe for someone that may not understand that, what is a dominatrix?

Yeah. So it's know, similar to a stripper. There's an establishment, and it's called a dungeon, and there's a few in Manhattan and in the other parts of New York as well. And it's legal. And the specific dungeon that I worked at was like, you would go downstairs into the basement, and there'd be like, all these different rooms. And there was a medical room, there was for nurse type of doctor fantasy. There was a torture room, another type of chamber, like a cross dressing room, a teaching room, like a school room, just for any type of fantasy. And then it's really like role playing. It's like acting. It's role playing. And then that's kind of how I would describe it when people were like, where did you get your start in acting? I said, well, it's really at the dungeon, because I would have to improv multiple times a day on very short notice. Someone comes in, they look at all the books of all the girls. They might want to meet you in person, and then that's it. You have five minutes to get ready, and they just kind of tell you really quickly what they're into, and that's it.

Then you figure it out, and you have to wing it. So doing that, that's like, really good training if you do that all the time. Yeah.

You got to be on your shit. You have to be on your shit.

Yeah.

And to clarify for everyone, you're not having sex with these people.

No. Okay.

Because I feel like that's a misconception.

People think that. Yeah, well, I mean, listen, it's not unheard of. There would be rumors of some girls that we would hear of, but that's like, I feel like in the dominatrix world, you need to remain in control. And I feel like the moment that you have sex with what they're called slaves, in the BDSM community, you have sex with them, you're kind of putting them on your level in a way. And they need to know that they will never be worthy to have that. The pussy, they'll never be good enough for the pussy. Do you know what I mean? They could kiss my feet. I could smother them, maybe sit on their face with my panties, but they'll never, ever be good enough for my vagina. And that's very important, right, to keep the boundary. Yeah.

So what types of fantasies were you, okay, you liked, and what were someone that you were like?

I don't fuck with that.

I don't like it as much.

I honestly liked all of them.

What was your favorite?

There were so many, but it was actually amazing because through doing this just for money, I ended up kind of learning about my own sexuality, which I'd never really had a chance to explore because my sexuality was always kind of being used against me. Or, like, do you know what I mean? My sexuality was something to be guarded and protected, not something to be explored. So in this very controlled environment, I was also able to explore my own because there'd be times in a session where I'd be like, oh, damn, this is actually horny as fuck. This is hot. So it does happen.

Which one do you think you're the best at?

I mean, just, like, body worshiping. What is that like, stuff like that. Just like, kiss my boots, kiss my legs. Like that type of stuff. Like tease in denial and you just.

Talk dirty to them.

The whole. Yeah, it's definitely a lot of verbal communication. It's very mental. This type of line of work that.

Is really interesting to think about, exploring your sexuality in such, like, an open way in where it's so accepted probably there. Obviously, everyone is being very.

Everyone's a freak, and we know it, so it's like, I won't judge you, you won't judge me, and it's okay.

Can anyone go there?

Yeah. Wow. Yeah, anyone can just show up and go. And I honestly recommend that you do. It's really not that expensive. It's like, I think, like $250 an hour or something. And remember to tip because they take.

Most of that 25% or 30% bitches. What was your wardrobe like? Was it fire?

Like, what were you putting on? Oh, my God. That's why it's like, now everyone sees me, like, wearing latex and PVC and all that shit. But it's like, dude, I grew up in this shit. Like, I came out the womb in the fucking latex, actually, yeah, no, the fits were insane. Like patent leather boots, thigh high, you know what I mean? And most of them were gifts from clients. Yeah, we would really finesse, like the $400 latex. Like the fucking. So hot, the really good shit.

What is your advice to anyone interested in working as a dominatrix?

I really feel like from the time that I spent there, which was a few years on and off, I would say the most successful doms that I saw, they genuinely also were interested in what they were doing. Got it for me. I remember even being little and my dad used to make me have playdates with the kids in my class who were maybe not as popular or something. He would just do that and it was fine, I didn't care. But I would hang out with these little boys and boss them around and make them crawl around on their knees and I would get on their back and ride them. And as I was working in the dungeon and men would ask me to do things, I'd be like, oh, my God, this is totally, like, I'm sure the kids that I did that to, they probably have similar fantasies. Like, some guy was like, he wanted to be dressed like a girl and pretend that we were like brother and sister. And I was like, damn. I used to dress my brother up like a girl. Like, fuck. You don't think he's now into the shit too, or something?

It's like you kind of connect the dots and figure out, no, that makes sense.

It's like there's a niche space of people that really succeed are the ones that actually take it to heart and you're like, I am enjoying this and I want to believe it.

Authentic. You really need to believe in what you're doing because otherwise it's a lot on someone's mental health.

What are some of the risks of working as a dominatrix.

That you might never get out of it?

Do you feel that?

There were moments where I was like, oh, my God, I would see the older girls, but specifically, like, one older girl, she had actually gone to the same high school as me and we had the same advisor ten years prior, and I was like, damn, I wonder if I'm going to be here in ten years. But she's still fabulous and amazing. It's not a bad thing, but I obviously wanted more.

Yeah. Were clients ever creepy? Were you ever scared? How is it scary?

Sorry.

No, you're good.

There definitely were moments where I was like, oh, my God, this person's really creepy and scary. And I would just run out and just tell the manager. And then she'd fucking handle it. And she was like, oh, a scary, like, 300 pound ukrainian woman who you.

Don'T want to fuck out.

Yeah, she was, like, going to handle it. Yeah.

Did you get any ideas of how to perform from porn?

No. I actually never even watched fetish porn prior to this. It was once I got into it that then I started googling, and I was like, okay, so let me see how they do it. Totally. But I was really just kind of going off, like, instinct. I could just figure it. You could just figure it out. It's not rocket science. Totally.

What kind of porn are you now into and what turns you on about it?

I'm into weirdly, partner swapping and then watching or something.

So, like, foursomes?

Yeah, more like that vibe right now.

Like cuck holding shit.

Yeah. I've never done it. It's so out in my other relationships, I feel like. I don't know. I've always been so jealous and so possessive in all my relationships, and I really, like, I don't want to be like that in the future, but it is hot.

I feel it when you see your partner, that jealousy, in a way, if it's control, does turn you on.

Yeah. Especially if you know your partner. Really, if they love you and they're doing it to turn you on, then that's hot.

It's so hot. And it creates this different type of energy. I've been the same. I've never done it with my partner, but I've always said I feel like it would be hot to watch him with another girl. But I'm like, fuck, if it actually happened, would I lose? I know.

How would I feel in the moment? But I honestly think in the moment we'd probably be able to handle it really well.

That's what I've always said on my show. I think it's just establishing some type of boundary prior, because if you go into it blind and then he's doing something, you're like, wait, don't do that. Like, what the fuck? Why are you guys cuddling after you guys just fucking fucked? Like, what's going on?

Yeah.

You eventually were invested in a nightclub.

Yeah.

How did being in kind of that nightlife elevate your experience in New York when you were younger?

Well, the nightclub came about because I was dating someone whose passion was to open a nightclub. So he asked me for money, and I was like, okay, that's like, what happened then he ended up attacking me. And after we broke up, because obviously I'm like, well, we're broken up, but I'm still going to come here because I still put money in this place, and you didn't even put any money in this place. So I'm still going to come with all my friends and drink for free. And I was doing that one night, and he got really jealous and he attacked me, and it became, like, a really big deal. And it was kind of before the me too movement, and I was like, hey, this happened to me. And in a room full of people, people literally saw it happen. And there was still question about whether if I initially instigated it, because I had had this reputation of being kind of like a loose cannon, I guess, right? But I'm not a loose cannon. I just speak up for myself, and I speak up when I see something's fucked up or unfair. And so it was really like the first time that I was like, wow.

Because I would always hear stories of women that come forward and then nobody believes them. And I was like, yeah, but that would never happen to me. Everyone would believe me. And, no, it was very much, like, divided, who was on whose side. And in that moment, I felt so betrayed by my own city. It was like a full collective betrayal. So I just left. And it was like the best thing I could have ever done.

You want to speak up? And then when you're not believed, you question everything of, like, what if this happened again now? I probably wouldn't speak up next time. And that breeds such an unhealthy culture.

Well, that actually happened. Something else happened involving a very prominent person. And I didn't say anything because I was like, now that's just going to look like I'm this unhinged. Well, I'll just keep it to myself. But I did suffer emotional damage from that. I was unwell for a few months.

Do you ever think you would speak about it or. No?

No. Because it's like, if that person was still out and able to hurt people, then yes, but he's not, so it's fine. It's like, what is that? I don't need more totally drama.

How did also being immersed in the club scene affect your alcohol and drug intake?

Not so much, because my drug use was always very alone or with one or two other people. Do you know what I mean? It was always very private and more, I don't know. When I was out partying, it was still fun. It was like, you know what I mean? It was dark. Yeah, it wasn't dark. My drug use was not fun in that way.

So you talked about. Were you referencing when you were like. And then I just got out of there. Is that when you went to Louisiana?

Yeah.

So for people that don't know the story, you pack up, you leave New York City, you go to had.

Yeah. And I had a fashion line, too, with my best friend, and, like, fully was like, I can't even do this. Signed. I signed it over to her name and pretty much just left. Packed up my shit and left and went to the south. And then I was there with a few of my friends, and my friend Richie sent me a camera for Christmas, and then I ended up taking some photos, and then art show was born and then more shows and books, and that art journey kind of happened. And I definitely feel glad that I kind of segued more into art because I feel like I really had to express myself. And I wasn't doing it in a really authentic way through fashion because I felt like I was kind of pretending to be someone I wasn't totally.

Did you feel going from such the juxtaposition of New York City to Louisiana and being a city girl and then going to the south, were you lonely? Like, did you have any romantic relationships?

No, I wasn't lonely because I went there with my really good friend Harmony, and then I already knew two people down there, Jack and John, who were in this band, Salem. That's really. I, like, knew people there. And Jack's actually the reason why I even ever went down there. And it was like, I was such a city girl. I really only knew La, New York, Miami, and then Europe. And you know what? I didn't. I was so ignorant, and I had never been anywhere. I'd never really seen anything. So the first time going to Louisiana, I was like, oh, my God. Like real life. Real people. Like, people that go out at night not to be photographed, but just to hang out with their friends. Wow. You know what I mean? And I was really drawn to that. And in that process, I remember I got rid of all my nice clothes, and I just really got rid of all that stuff that I allowed define me for so many years. Just always on the hunt for money. Always money, money, because I didn't grow up with money, so I was always in financial. I just.

I kind of, in that moment, let go of all of that.

Part of the art you created in Louisiana was taking photos of people using heroin. What inspired you to take those know.

At the time, it didn't really feel like a big deal because heroin had been such a major part of my life. That I just kind of didn't like. Now when I see the photo, I am more affected by it. I'm like, oh, graphic. I don't want to look at it. I look away. But at the time, I was so numb to anything about drugs or guns or anything like that. It didn't seem like a big deal.

Were you using heroin at the time?

On and off, yeah.

When was the first time you tried heroin?

I think I was, like, in high school? Yeah, I was in high school because it was before I graduated.

How did that affect.

Actually, I remember this guy Mario. Sorry, shout out, mario. But I know he's definitely not. That was so long ago. I'm sure he's not doing this anymore, I hope. But I met him at a party. I didn't have a phone, and he gave me two little wax baggies. And then I forgot how he ended up getting in touch with me or, like, I got in touch with him, but it was very much like he knew that I would get in touch with him, type of thing. He gave it to me because he knew that I'd be calling, and it was pretty much like that. And at the time, none of my other friends were doing it, so I was doing it in secret, and I would just kind of put it on like a blunt that I was just going to smoke to the face or something and not share. I remember they'd ask me and I would just be like, no. Yeah, because they didn't know. And I was being such a bitch. And then I remember. Then I was like, okay, I'm over it. I'm done now. And then I got sick, and I was like, damn, I have a cold.

I didn't even know the withdrawals and the things I didn't understand, that I was really playing with fire. So it's like a miracle that I haven't done in very long, and I highly don't recommend it, especially now with the fentanyl and everything in it. It's like my best friend died at the end of 2019 from a fentanyl overdose. I had been sober prior, but then that was really, if I even have a thought, it's very quickly wiped out. I just think of her and it's like, over. I just know in my heart, like, I'm just never going to do that again.

I'm so sorry. What was rock bottom moment for you?

There's so many rock bottom. It's like, you'd think one was the rock bottom, but then it's like, it gets worse. I would probably have to say, like, overdosing was probably a rock bottom.

Who found you when you overdosed?

Well, there's been a few, but the last one, really bad one, it was like, on my birthday and it was really sad because my sister was there and she was sober and the whole party was ruined because I literally fell over in front of the whole party. Yeah, it was really bad. And that was, like a very awakening moment. And I really credit her for saving my life because she, at 19 years old, had the foresight to be like, you know what? I'm going to go get sober and join AA and really do it. And she's still sober to this day. Wow. And if it wasn't from her being sober and then showing me, she would drag me to meetings and I would just be, like, on my phone, not paying attention. And then one day it took.

Wow, that's amazing to have people in your life that are there for you and it's like, we're going to keep trying until.

Yeah, that's why she's with me today on this journey and that's fam forever.

Are you younger? Older?

We're actually, like, a couple months apart. Yeah. Oh, she's not like my biological. Oh, you're just saying, like, your only child. She's my friend, but she's my sister, basically, like blood.

When and how did you meet the father of your child and how did your relationship evolve?

I met him at the Carlisle through Zach Bahaj, who owned Lucian. But I think we had actually met when we were teenagers. I'm older than him, though. He was like 14 and I was maybe like 17. And I remember thinking like, oh, he's hot, but he's really young. I literally remember that happening. And then, yeah, we met again and it was like love at first sight. He had a girlfriend. I tried to hit on him and he said, no, I have a girlfriend. And I liked that, that he turned me down and I liked that he was loyal. But then they broke up a few months later. He called me. Obviously, rest is history. He actually came to the rap party of Uncut gems. So the movie wasn't even out yet. Comes to the rap party and we were literally together every day after that. And then we got married, like, month later in Vegas. Yeah. With the Elvis Presley impersonator and all of that. And it was really, really fun until it wasn't. Right.

It was incredible. And then it wasn't.

Yeah. And then it was a nightmare.

How did your relationship change once you had your son?

It had changed prior to that. Yeah. There were issues prior, I think. Suddenly all the tension from uncut gems happened, and then suddenly guys are in my DMs, and I'm traveling a lot, and now I'm busier than I used to be and not as available and also just not as patient. I'm tired now. I don't want to just be easy to be around. Do you know what I mean? Please. And it just wasn't really working out that way. But he really, like, obviously he's not perfect. I'm not perfect. Obviously, we were drawn to each other for a reason, but he's actually one of the most genuine people I know. Really, what you see is what you get. I can't really describe it, but it's something that. A quality that Kanye has as well. Just being so genuine, like, almost childlike in a way. Just, like, so honest, so blunt. And I'm really drawn to that. I like people that are just transparent. Yeah.

Within the last few days of 2021, you posted an Instagram story. You're like, I already know what you're going to say. That read. Have you seen. Don't read it. Do you care if I read it? Just anyone that doesn't hear, it's fine.

Yeah, I definitely called him a deadbeat dad. Well, because he had blocked my number for, like, a month at that point, and I was just, like, fuming. And I didn't know that he had been paying my rent. How did you not know that girl wasn't paying it? I was like, I'll let it pile up, and then I'll just write. Because it's like, why can't they just do it electronically? It's so much easier. It's like, why? So mail a check? Yes. They want me to mail a check. Why the girl do that? I haven't seen my checkbook since 2008.

I don't even have one.

I don't even know where it is. Yeah, exactly. That's why they're not going to. I feel you on that anyway. But also, the landlord is my friend, okay? So it's fine.

I'm just not getting evicted. Not sure why, but, like, living for.

That exactly on my list of priorities, it was, like, number six. I have so many other things that are so much more dire to think about. So I was just like, it's fine. So I didn't even know that. So in my head, I was like, oh, he's not helping physically, but he's also not even helping financially. And that's what set me off, because if he wasn't helping physically, but then he was sending me money. I would have at least been like, okay, he does want to be in his son's life, but he just needs to take a break. And I'm angry about it, but I understand because the breakup was really hard and we obviously had still a lot of feelings for each other, so I understand him needing that, but obviously, I wish I knew that information because I definitely don't think I would have reacted in that way.

And then. Did he tell you?

No, my landlord did. Yeah. And you're like, no, he actually didn't even text me or call me or say, take it down or anything. I know. He's a very noble man. He was like, I'm just not even going to engage. Which kind of made me even more mad. I know. Because honestly, if he had just texted and been like, take it down, I would have been like, hey.

Okay, well, so the fallout, you did say you regretted it.

I do regret it. I mean, listen, I didn't lie.

Right.

You know what I mean? Right. But obviously I did take things out of context to intentionally make someone look bad. Yeah, totally. I did. Totally. If we want to paint the full picture, it's like, no, he actually is really great and has these other amazing quality, but it's like, fuck, I just shouldn't have said anything to begin with.

Are you on good terms now?

Yes, very. And he's been super supportive and I've been having to travel a lot, so he's been helping, which is great because they get to make up a lot of time that they haven't spent together in the last two months. Yeah. So it's actually worked out perfectly.

You added actress to your resume three years ago when you starred in uncut gems with Adam Sandler, and you played a role that was based on yourself. The name was even Julia. Were the filmmakers your friends? Like, why did they build this character for you?

Yeah, the filmmakers were friends of mine, and they'd been working on this project for many years, I think like ten years or something before it came out. So for like ten years or something, they'd been telling me this movie, this character, and they asked me for, what would you do if you were in a fight with your boyfriend? How would you get him to, you know what I mean? Just asking me that type of shit. And then I was like, all right, I see what's happening here. And then I obviously got on the phone and we developed her. And her name was actually originally Sadie, but Adam Sandler's daughter's name. And they were trying to find a name but nothing else. Like, it was just supposed to be Julia. Yeah.

What aspect of your personality do you think was best portrayed in the character?

I think the humor and the just, like, no fucks given type of attitude, definitely, yeah.

Okay. Are the rumors true? Will you be playing Madonna in her biopic?

No. I wish.

Julia, can you sing?

I wish. No, I can. I can definitely get down with some karaoke, and I have some range, but definitely not Madonna's range. No. I actually auditioned to play Debbie Mazar, her BFF, who I'm obsessed with, and people have been comparing me to her my entire mean. But she's going to audition a million girls. High chance. I probably won't even get it. It's just the industry is like that. It's totally. It's nothing personal. Whoever. Yeah, but I gave it my best shot. I love it. Yeah.

Okay. Rumor has it you're dating someone new. Have you guys put a label on it?

I mean, I call him my boyfriend, and he calls me his girlfriend. Cute. Yeah.

But there was never, ever, like, an official conversation.

No.

Don't you love when that just happens? All of a sudden, one day, you're like, I think you're my boyfriend.

Yeah, it just happened. And it felt very. Just very organic and not even crazy or anything. Just very natural.

Do you remember the first thing he.

Said to you ever in life? Yeah. Sup? It's. Yay. I think it was like, something like that.

Yeah.

He got my number through a mutual friend.

What was your first impression of him?

Super magnetic. Like, very attractive. I don't even mean he's attractive physically, but I mean, also just the vibe is very attractive. You know what I mean? At least for me. I felt like I wanted to gravitate for it. You know what I mean? It was very, like, when that happens.

You'Re like, that person has some aura.

They just glow. They radiate an energy. And he definitely has a very special, unique, one of a kind energy.

After your first meeting in Miami, you have this whirlwind, 24 hours moment. And then how did you guys leave it before you went to New York?

Oh, my gosh. I was only supposed to go there for the night, and then I was supposed to fly back the next day. We ended up staying, like, three or four extra days, and it was like we were on the Kanye workout plan. We got to work. We were like, okay, we're going to do this. If I'm going to be seen with you, I need to step it up a little bit. Just because I'm a little lazy. That's just a thing. It's a fact. Yeah. So I definitely do need to be nudged a little bit and pushed out of my comfort zone. And I love that because I don't think anyone has been able to succeed in that because I'm stubborn and I'm going to wear the things that I'm comfortable in, and it's like. And I have my insecurities and no one else sees, you know what I mean? And he doesn't see them, you know what I mean? So it's cool to see myself through his eyes.

For anyone who lives under a rock or didn't read interview magazine, you detailed this lavish second date in New York City. Can you indulge us and just kind of, like, walk us through the.

Went to. We went to see slave play and Jeremy O'Harris's play. That was amazing. Then we went to carbone, and then after carbone, we went back to the pendry where his suite was. And I just thought we were going to go and just hang out, like play uno or something. He really likes uno. I just thought we were going to do that. And I walk in and all the furniture in the hotel room has been pushed into the bedroom, and there's all these racks, like, lining all the walls. And it was like a fucking dream. And it's also just like, the thought behind it. And he had also just landed earlier in the evening, so it was like, how did he even. You know what I mean? But he makes it. That's. And then he did something for me in LA as well. He turned this big warehouse space into a really cool restaurant kind of vibe for me and my friends, and that was really nice. And Naomi Campbell was there. Just really iconic moments that he does for me.

Have you ever felt in these moments, like, a little overwhelmed?

No.

Why do you think?

I don't know. I'm just grown. And also, I grew up in New York City. I grew up around celebrities. You know what I mean? I know how to. And also, I really feel like I've earned my place to be there. Do you know what mean? Like, obviously, I'm not on their level, and I'm not saying I am, but I feel like, like, put in the work and I can hang. Yes, I can hang. Definitely. Everyone's like, oh, look at her now. She's at dinner with Madonna. It's like, well, actually, I set up that dinner and I invited Kanye.

You know what, baller.

Yeah. So it's like, obviously, people, it looks a certain way, but people don't know the conversations happening behind the scenes. And, no, I've been around. You know what I mean?

Absolutely.

Yeah.

On your podcast, you talk about how people. We're kind of, like, calling it love bombing, almost, of how extravagant things have gotten. Why do you not consider it love bombing?

Because he doesn't have a shady ulterior motive.

Right.

Which I think is super crucial in the love bombing element, because in a typical narcissistic relationship in that way, it's like you get love bombed, and then you get isolated, and then you get, like. You know what I mean? And it's like, no, actually, my friends are now with me 24/7 because they're hired, and it's like, do you know what I mean? He's not trying to have me to keep me from lock me away. No, he wants me to be the best version of myself. That is always the conversation. Always, like, how am I going to live up to my full potential? Which I think is amazing because everyone's.

Like, would you consider yourself ye's muse?

Yeah, a little, maybe.

What does it even mean if no one that's ever been. Because I remember you were like, this is not the first time that. What is a muse?

I mean, I was Josh Safti's muse when he wrote unkaja. Do you know what I mean? Like, things like. Like, I think people make it seem a little more dramatic than it is. You know what I mean? It's not like Van Gogh type of just, he wants to dress me right now. I think that's kind of what it is.

Is there anything that, you know, you're inspiring him with? Like, you say, like, he's.

Yeah, I think it's very mutual. I'm definitely an ideas person. I always have crazy, like, out there ideas, and so does he. And I love telling him my ideas, and we get excited over each other's weird things. It's definitely mutual, for sure.

What do you guys disagree on?

One of the makeup looks, he'd actually went and tried to draw, like, a sunglass line, and I think that was, like, the only time where I literally was like, no, this is where I put my foot down.

Oh, my God. I would be like, absolutely fucking not. No.

But then I actually. Online, I randomly saw an image of that makeup, and it didn't look that bad, actually. Like a full sunglass.

Yeah.

And I was like, you know what? When he's doing something, just let him execute the vision, because it might actually be cool, because a lot of times I've been like, oh, my God. What is he doing? Is he doing. And then it's fucking awesome.

I would have never thought of this.

And that never happens for me. So it's really cool to meet someone that does something that I really would have never thought of doing.

What do you say to people who claim this is not a real relationship?

I mean, time will tell. You'll see. For you. Yeah.

The tabloids in social media are always comparing women.

I know.

And you keep getting compared to his ex. Why do you think they're doing that?

Well, we've worn some of the similar looks, which I knew at the time of wearing them. I knew that Kim had worn it previously, but I thought it was cool that she had worn it. Right.

And she's iconic. Yeah.

It wasn't even a thing. But it is unfortunate, because women are always just being pitted against each other, and obviously, there's ten years of history that they have prior, and I don't want to ever step out of line and speak on something that I have no place speaking on.

Like, when someone was like, oh, they're both wearing Balenciaga. I'm like, wait, we can't all wear that.

Well, if anything, I feel like the conversation should be like, wow, it's amazing to see how heavily influenced Kim was by Kanye.

You know what I mean?

If anything, I feel like that's kind of what that shows. But obviously, people want to run with the more nastier narrative. It's so immature and make people feel bad, and it's like, actually, I had a fashion line, and the Kardashians actually sold it at their store dash and wore it on magazines and in the show. So it's like, there's ties that I have my history of fashion as well. I didn't just pop out of nowhere. You know what I mean? Totally. Celebrities wore all my. Nicki Minaj wore my clothes. Like, everyone.

How do you describe the style that you're showcasing to the world? Right.

It's. I'm giving, like, dominatrix, like, couture, which I love. Which I love. And it feels, like, familiar. And I've been there before. I've been there.

They look like they've been wearing the same outfits for, like, four months or whatever. And they keep saying, you guys, what do you say to that?

I mean, I think about rewearing the same. I'd rather wear the same outfit a bunch of times than wear the wrong outfit once.

Yes. Also, everyone look inward. How many times do you rewear an outfit? Yeah. Just because you're getting papped it's not.

Like you're like, yeah, we're still real people. Yeah.

You're like, these are my.

I actually just sent out my laundry today for the first time in, like, a month, so congratulations to me.

Do you think Kanye's boots are sexy?

I love the boots.

Have you ever tried them on?

No. I have.

They're so iconic.

I know. I should try them on, actually. No, they are. I love it. They look like an action figure or like a video game character or something, which I love that.

So I know you mentioned getting jealous and with how much the media is like, he wants her back. He was fighting for her. Have you had jealousy moments where you're like, oh, this is icky?

No, not really. Listen, I'm sure there's still some sort of residual feelings, and it's normal. It's human. But I also know that he's with me now, and that's all that matters.

Have you guys talked about your future together?

Yes. There is a lot of us and we conversations, which is really nice. But no, like I said, everything is very on a whim, last minute. Like, pack up, we're going here. Now. We're going. You know what I mean? Right. So I can't even get past next week, let alone just having fun.

Yeah, totally. Has he given you any career advice?

Definitely. Yeah. That's all he does. Right.

Do you feel like you're now in a great way, kind of like taking a different trajectory, or you're just, like, amplifying what you wanted to do?

I'm going to amplify what I already wanted to do. I definitely still want to act, and I definitely still want to produce and write and direct and do my own projects. And that's really where I see myself falling eventually. But right now, I just really want to act.

Yeah. With all the media attention around you, what is something you've had to change this year about your life?

Nothing. Really.

I don't think so.

Yeah.

Does it give you anxiety when you're photographed?

No.

You're just like, Fuck, yeah.

No, I take the subway still.

What's a misconception about you?

That I'm a gold digger. Yeah. Because it's like, yes, I have dated rich men, but they pursued me first. Okay. And secondly, I've also dated and been fully, madly in love with straight bums where fully. They were living off of me. You know what I mean? And I was the sugar mama type of situation. So it's really about the person. At the end of the day, no amount of money is going to make me actually have feelings for someone or actually want to spend time with someone. If I'm spending time with you, it's because I genuinely really like you.

Totally. You're one of the first people I feel like recently that's actually getting some positive media attention from random comments being like, good for her. Let her live her life, which is exciting. I feel like, in media, to see a little positive turn fucking shitting on every woman when they start dating a man.

Yeah.

And it's, like, so negative.

I think it's refreshing because I feel, like, such an interesting choice for him and an unexpected choice.

Why?

I don't know. I feel like I would have never expected him to like you. Yeah. Although I had actually been asked to do some yeezy campaigns and shows a couple of times throughout the years, and it just never really worked out. I wanted to do it, but it was, like, scheduling conflicts and I wasn't in town, and there would have been other opportunities for us to have met, but I really feel like timing is everything, and it just had to have been now because if he had met me prior, I would have been with my husband, and I'm, like, super loyal, so there would have been not even. I wouldn't have even looked in his direction.

Honestly, what is next for you? Have your goals shifted? What do you want people to think of Julia Fox in, like, five years, ten years?

I really want my work to speak for itself. You'll definitely still be seeing me in my fashion looks. I'm definitely committed to that. But definitely a lot of movies, lot of writing. I'm working on a book project right now. I'm developing a series, and I'm writing a movie, which I already kind of technically sold. I'm still. Whatever. It's complicated. I'm still doing my things that I already had planned. Pre planned, pre Kanye, pre no.

And I just thank you for sitting down with me because it's so nice to hear you in long form speak. People see things on social media and pictures, but when you get to sit down with someone, you're so warm and nice and genuine and normal, as crazy as your life is right now. And I think people will hear that in this episode.

And that's really what I want to convey is, like, I'm just like, a normal girl. I'm just a regular, fucking regular degular bitch. Regular bitch.

Julia Fox.

Thank you. And also, yes. Plug. And if you guys want to hear more, like weekly tea and stuff, and we interview a lot of really amazing sing, guest as well on our podcast. Also on Spotify called forbidden fruits. So check it out if you guys want to hear me again. Love you, bitch.

Thank you.

Thank you.