What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy. Morgan Stewart, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you so much. I'm so excited. I am so excited to have you here. You got your start on Rich Kids Beverly Hills. Yes, I did. Shout out. Yes. You transitioned to host multiple shows on E. Multiple, yes. You have impeccable style.

Thank you. I appreciate that.

You make it look effortless. This is like an achievable. You're the person that I'm screenshotting and trying to remake it. Good. I don't ever remake it well, but you're the inspo. I like that. How did you pick your outfit today?

I'm in my Gen Z feelings today. So this is the first time I've ever worn these shoes, and I bought them because I was like, I need to be... I'm a mother now, so I need to be able to wear things that are convenient to running around. And I was like, I'm never going to wear them. And then I was like, You know what? Today is the fucking day. I'm putting them on, and then I had these pants. They don't actually look good on me, but I always... This is my... They don't. The pleats in the front make me look like they're warping my thighs inward. But I will tell you, I am very big on everything I buy. I make sure to wear it once, even if it was the wrong choice. If I have not returned it, I always want to make sure that I've at least put it on my body so it's not a waste. And that's really how this all happened. Then I I was going to wear a navy turtle neck. Oh, do we have enough time to listen to all this bullshit? I was going to wear a navy turtle neck, and it read too dark.

So then I grabbed this, and then I was like, Is this too much like a teacher? That's how it came together, and I just left.

I'm just geeking because I'm so happy your shoes are clean because this is a disaster set. Can I tell you? When people People come on with the dirt. Can't have it.

I was also going to tell you they have not been in the world.

I have never had someone go into that much detail when I asked them that question, and I actually appreciate it.

I like to give you an experience.

How do you describe your style?

It's classic with a little bit of a flair. I don't get into the trends. I try to avoid it. I've been able to get into the trends lately because my husband has more accessible income, so I can fuck up more. I love the honesty. But if you are on a budget, you should be buying a white and a black T-shirt, two pairs of jeans, black and blue, a black blazer, a beige blazer, and keep it moving. Don't get into the cropy tops. If you have to replenish your closet a lot, don't do that.

Just go with the basics.

Just go with the basics because they never, ever, ever, ever, ever leave. That's why they're called classic. Getting into the Barbie stripper vibe right now. I can't do it.

So you're just taking your husband's credit card swiping.

Oh, yeah. Well, no, I have my own on his account.

Oh, love that. Oh, no. So you're not spending your own money. No, ladies.

No, I'm not. I gave two children to this person. Two in one year and one day apart.

I mean, superwoman.

Yeah, it was a lot, but it was amazing. The best thing I've ever done.

And so you earned this?

I've earned it. And I will tell you because I get on this tangent, and I'm always like, I'm not the... It is still a little bit strange for me because I'm somebody that has my own money. I'm still getting paid out at E. Shout out. Shout out. A part of me is like, Well, I could just pay for this. But I just feel like... Let him. Not let him. Right.

Let him. Yeah. You go have a kid. See how that feels. Exactly. What is a current fashion trend that that you love, even though I know you said you don't like trends.

If you had to pick. I think the sneakers right now. I feel like sneakers are really big. I feel like girls are wearing them all the time, and that's something that I'm getting more into.

That's what I like. Are you into the dad sneakers, the New Balance? I am.

And by the way, I had those in the seventh grade. Things always come back. It's crazy. But I haven't gotten a pair.

They've been hard to find. I got one pair recently, and someone that I work with complimented me on them, and I was ecstatic because I didn't really know. I'm sometimes just going with it. I think this looks good, but I didn't really know for sure. And then I put them on, and within an hour, someone complimented me on them, and I'm like, Oh, my God. I'm in the right lane. I know what I'm doing. I'm happy these are back.

They never left for me. It doesn't matter. Whatever year, I'm obsessed with an UGG, and I will do an UGG.

I UGG to the knee. To the knee.

I'll do it. Oh, yeah.

Did you ever get rid of yours? Never. Thank God.

I had to get rid of one black pair because they were really... They had seen the light of day. It was disgusting.

I had the sand color when I was in seventh grade. I had to throw them out because they were to the knee. And they were just at that point, brown. Brown. So it wasn't as cute. I get it. But the UGGs, when people are like, They're so ugly. No, they're not. And they're comfortable.

Amazing. Even the super crop ones with the platform. Now, I'm trying to get my hands on those, but I can't find them.

I just got a new closet. I just moved into my new house. Okay. I've heard that you're the queen of organization.

I am really. I've become.

I need a little tip for all the girlies listening and for myself. What is an organization tip that you have that's just a good go-to to remember when we're trying to organize our closets?

Organize your closet based on season. So now I'm transferring summer things out. I don't care what anyone says, California, we still have seasons. It's fall, no linen. Even my son was in linen yesterday. I was like, Oh, no, Chris, no linen. He's not in linen anymore. It's October. How old is your son? Eight months. But why are we in the linen joggers? He has new sweat joggers.

Who put him in linen joggers?

My nanny. I was like, No, Chris, no. We can't do that.

So you had to be like, Listen, we're not in season.

No, we're not in season. No, linen.

Do you like how your husband dresses?

Oh, this is such a question. I know. Okay, so I really love the way my husband dresses. I will say, and a sign of a mature relationship and how I've grown is I also do not control it. He can wear what he wants. I don't have the energy to change things. We are not stylists. Realistically, completely on the same page, but I appreciate what he wears because it works for him. The transition where... Why are you asking me everything that's going on in my life? The things that we transition now, it's the transitioning from day to night, where I would like it to be a little bit more formal, but we're having a hard time finding that happy medium because he still wants to be himself. And I'm like, but just wear the crew neck sweater and the jacket.

Right. Does he get annoyed by you when you try to tell him what to do?

It's not a conversation. And he's a silent, strong person. He's not a loud, strong person. Which is scary. That's actually worse. I know because I'm like, oh, he has this power over me, but nobody usually does.

Yes, but I do like it. Is that normal in your relationships that you usually have the power?

Oh, yeah. I usually dominate and completely... I overpower people. But I feel like the People that have been in my life in the past that I dated have always somewhat wanted to... They've almost wanted to be like me. Does that make sense in a way? I exude a strength that I think is appealing to males, and then they're like, Whoa, this is maybe too much. But with my current husband, I don't need to do that because we're just really balanced.

That's really interesting. I can relate to that. At first, they're so attracted to it, and then they get in the relationship with you, and then it's a full for sure thing, and that's when they get the most insecure. But in the dating phase, they love it. And then you settle down, and it's the same thing as when girls are like, Wait, why did you like when I posted bikini photos when we weren't fully exclusive? But now that we are, you're all scared, and you're going and running and liking other girls bikini photos. 100%. Pick a fucking lane. Pick a lane. That's really interesting. Okay, so the husband dresses to your liking. Yes, he does.

But you could elevate a little bit. I wouldn't even elevate it. I would transition small things, and I'm only talking about at night.

So mine is the opposite, which is so strange. My boyfriend, I've never dated a man like this, has the best taste.

Oh, my God. It's so nice, right?

He really knows how to dress, and he really understands design. We just redid our house, and he was like, We don't need to get that big of a designer because I know what we need. Smart. And it's shocking to be in. If anything, it makes me insecure because I'm usually the one, the guy that I've ever dated. I'm like, I don't give a fuck what you think I'm wearing. This relationship, I'm like, Okay, he has better taste, and I have to accept that.

Which is honestly, that's so smart because I feel like my husband accepts it but doesn't think our taste is as different as it is, even though it's not.

I think that's a- It's so fucking different. It's so- Shout out if you're listening to me.

That is very smart of you because it's so nice to have that.

Right. Just accept it. Yes. Someone's going to have better style and taste. Lean into that. Totally. Rather than try to just We're not going to make it equal. Not everything has to be equal in a relationship.

I agree with you.

Okay, good. What is your take on matching your children's outfits? Is mommy and daughter going to be wearing the same thing, and are your children going to be wearing the same thing?

No and no. Absolutely fucking not. You don't have friends. You don't need to dress your kid like to you. Didn't you do that when you were in seventh grade with your friend in the black skirt?

No. My mother, she made my sister and I wear the same things for Christmas.

But that is also a traditional thing, and I feel like that's also... That was our parents' generation. I feel like that's... I get the Christmas photos and you're in the little blue dress or whatever.

Do you send out a holiday card?

Oh, my God. I haven't, but I guess I'm going to this year. Why? Because I feel like I should do that. It's a mature, nice thing. It's a way to send a photo of your family with it being in line with it being appropriate. It's an excuse to get a photo out of you guys. Right. So yes, I will send a holiday card out. I did not send one last year.

Are you going to be figuring out the outfit? Yes.

Okay, wait. I did a photo shoot with my kids, and they did wear the same outfit. I forgot. But can I tell you, they were leggings. He was three months old, and she was however old she was, and it They were in beige leggings and a long sleeve shirt. It was like, pajamas. It wasn't... And we were all in beige. My husband's still mad at me about everyone being in beige.

So you just completely contradicted. I feel like I just never have my kids match. Oh, my God.

But by the way, it wasn't supposed to be a fashion statement. They were just supposed Just to blend in, if that makes sense.

I get that. Okay. You wanted your kids to blend in because you wanted to stand out.

Yeah, exactly.

That's good. Do you think your daughter is going to have the same personality as you? Yeah. How are you going to deal with that?

I don't know. She already brings me to my knees. She really is so strong. You can really tell about You can tell who's going to be the fucking loser, who's not going to have friends. I'm kidding. I'm so kidding. Her friends, I'm like, Oh, dork. No, I'm. That's a bitch. I love it. By the way, it's hilarious because every mom thinks that. Every mom analyzes it. But I will I think that I can tell she's extremely sweet inside, genuinely. And I'm not saying that because she's mine. And then there is a side that's quite fierce and strong-willed. So I think we're quite alike.

Where do you think you got that from?

I feel like I'm very much like my mom, but she's less crazy. She's crazy in her own way, but not as outward as I am. She's a little bit more conservative, a little bit more dialed back.

Did you get in trouble in school at all?

So this is so weird because every person I've ever has been interviewed by in this context has always asked me that and always asks my mom that. And I never got in trouble. I was never late for curfew. It was only in my early 20s that it was a little messy because I was in love and dating the wrong person. And by dating, I was dating him. He was not dating me. Oh, love that. I was like, Well, I'm coming over. He's like, No. And I was like, No, I'm coming over. And that's when I think my mom called me a few times because I had been in college, and then I left college, and she was like, Where are we going here? What the fuck are you doing with your life?

I think why people probably ask you that is because I think you had this very outspoken, confident nature about you that I would see you as the person in class telling the teacher that he had the answer wrong.

So you were just not like that. I was not like that, but I also struggled intensely in school. I had a really hard time. I definitely had severe learning disabilities that were not diagnosed till my senior year of high school. It was like, She's failing math every year. What's wrong? Let's ignore it and keep her going. And then in senior year, they're like, You're not going to graduate. So I had to go do a night school and pass the class. I had to see a math psychologist because I had It's such a bad learning disability. To be honest with you, I don't know how I know how to spell. I was not like that. So I just shut my mouth as much as possible.

Okay, that makes sense because you weren't confident in that aspect. So you're like, I'm just going to sit here and listen. But then outside of the school doors, you're running shit. Exactly. Like the playground, you're thriving. Oh, yeah. Just not where the desks are. Exactly. That makes a lot of sense. Yes. And I think that's great for your career also. That worked out. Exactly. You got a great personality. Thank God. Okay, what is a hot take that you currently have. I know you had a show on E, obviously, Necessary Realness. Are you sad it's done?

I just think that's the stupidest decision anyone could have made. I mean, literally, like the duck. You know how hard... How many people do interview? How many people really impress you? Good talent is hard. Oh, it's very hard. And somebody being manufactured by whatever circumstance they're around that makes them popular doesn't mean that they're- Oh, so they kicked you off? Oh, they ended the shows. They ended the shows. They put an end to Nightly Pop, Daily Pop, and they were like, We're going to sunset Necessary Realness. I will tell you, Necessary Realness was my little show. I love doing it. I love the people that worked on it. It's not a negative because it was time for me to go and figure out what I really want to do.

But are they coming up with new shows to replace you guys?

I have no idea. They're doing an E-news reboot, so they're bringing back the show that they got rid of five years ago.

Oh, that sounds relevant.

And so they're doing that. I don't know. And beyond that, I don't know. But I will tell you, I saw a psychic when I was redoing my contract last year, and he said, I would sign this deal. You're not going to be in it for the remainder of the time you've signed up for.

Maybe they work for E-news. Maybe your psychic is low-key working all the time.

No, this psychic has told me things. He told me that I was going to name my son with a G-name. I was like, Yeah, right, Gary. Who the fuck has a G name. There's no way. There's no possible way my son's going to have a G name. And it's gray. And it's gray.

It's a good name.

Yeah, it's a good name, right?

It took a long time. Okay, well, now I need the psychic's number.

Oh, I'll give it to you. He will- Change your life. No, it's like he's a medium. It's no joke.

Were you sad the day it happened?

I was emotional because I had been with everybody for so long, but I had done six years of 5:00 AM wake-ups. I was doing at one point, the most, I was doing four shows a day. I mean, it's not physically possible or sustainable to work the way I worked. I'm grateful for the experience, but it was a mutual feeling of, Okay, it's time to move on. I had been feeling like I had hit the ceiling there.

Was it affecting your relationship or anything?

It wasn't affecting my relationship with my husband. And now it wasn't... No, it was fine. He knew I wanted to do this, but also we were in the pandemic. So the last few years hadn't been consistent. And then I also had two babies in two years. So it was the perfect time to part ways. Wow. Yeah.

I have so much respect for how you managed that show because you kept it so real. And I think sometimes on TV, especially, those formats can come off a little scripted and stuffy and just a little like, Do I believe that's actually her personality? And you were fully able to be yourself, which is great.

And they did a good job with that because they had to edit out quite a bit to keep it safe, too, a little bit.

That's great. That's great. So shout out to them. Shout out. Thank you. What is a hot take? Let's pretend we're on the show. What is a hot take that you currently have?

So it's hilarious because my PR sent me this. That was a question. I was like, What's a hot take? So I asked my agent. I was like, What is a hot take? What is it? She goes, Well, a hot take I have is that you can be friends with your ex. Everyone's friends with their exes. And I was like, I'm going to steal that, and I'm going to credit you. I I always credit people, by the way. Love that. I never take someone's fashion. Nothing. I always credit.

Well, you can't. You'll get canceled. Yeah, exactly.

By the way. And I then was really thinking about it, and I was like, No, you can't.

Wait, no, you can't. No, you can't.

She was like, I'm going to read you the quote.

Read me the fucking quote because we could do a whole episode on this. No, you can't because only if you're in a relationship. If you're single, sure. Be friends with all your fucking exes.

Also, by the way, I was going to pull it up, and I was like, It's so much, but it's It's the reality is that if you're so able to be friends with your ex, then why are you breaking up? Right? Okay. So I said that I think there are a lot of factors that go into make... Literally my homework. Do you love it? I think there are a lot of factors that go into making a relationship work and making someone, your person, your long term partner. I have a laundry list of reasons I am not with exes, but there are definitely a lot of reasons I like them in the first place that still exist. The majority of people on this planet are people you will not have a connection to not have any chemistry with. And so when you find someone you actually connect with that's rare and wonderful, and just because it doesn't work out romantically for you, why does that mean those people should be out of your life completely? Let's talk about this. It's no fucking way.

Okay, tell me your take on that.

I don't think it's... First of all, I don't... What you said, I think is accurate. I think you cannot be friends with an ex unless you were not ever in love with them and you didn't share a genuine romantic connection. Because if you're walking away from the relationship so easily and able to revisit, then why separate at all?

No, I completely agree. I think I've had relationships where I'm like, Oh, like one of my college boyfriends. I'm like, Oh, he was so cute. And I just walked all over him, and I feel bad for that. And he's such a good guy. And if I ever saw him, we'd be totally chill. I'm not texting him.

Absolutely not.

That's so strange.

And also, if you want to be friends with them, you probably want to be in their lives for other... I just don't... But it works for her. There's no...

But I agree with the sentiment of, I don't hate everything about them. Of course not. But you take that with you and you move along. You move along. You don't need to be marinating over there in that like, Oh, I love this part of him, so I want to keep it going in my life. Exactly. Well, I think that if you're single, you can absolutely be friends with X. I would say be cautious about that, though, because then you're not moving forward, and you may just keep going back in that awful cycle. However, the minute you get a new partner, the only way to be able to have a healthy relationship is to move on from your past relationships. Someone that's been inside you or you've been inside them or putting something in whatever hole. I get it. Let's just- Move on. Move on. You can totally respect. But it doesn't need to be a texting, buddy, buddy, let's get lunch every week.

Okay, but didn't I get... I did my homework because that's a hot take, right? I got us, but- I'm so impressed with you.

Did you do your homework for this question?

What was the next question? Because I was wasted for four days last week. What other questions?

Wait, where were you again?

I went to Napa for my husband's birthday, And I mean, we did not... I mean, today is even a struggle for me. Are you okay? I'm okay. You look great. Thank you. Well, I got a glam for an hour and a half. I was like, Tammy, we got till 10:15. I'm not going to be late. She's like, Your eyes are small. I'm like, I don't care. You need to just do the mascara Sarah. She's like, more lashes. I said, It's 11:00 AM. We don't need more lashes, Tammy. I'm leaving.

So that's it. I think you look great. You look so beautiful. Everything is put together. Your teacher outfit. Is that what you said? You look like a.

It's my teacher. I literally... By the way, it's my Gen Z teacher look.

I'm obsessed with it. Thank you. Okay. Also, I've never been to Napa. Is it good? Great.

That's your next place. Okay. It's so close.

It's unbelievable. Do you recommend going there as a couple or with friends? No, couple. And a bunch of...

Oh, couple. Couple and couple friends. It's not a single girls place.

You really can throw a party, huh?

Oh, yeah. Honestly, that might be my next career. I love it so much.

A party planner?

I could be a serious party planner. It took so much work to plan this birthday, and I really thrived.

I saw the things you made for your husband for his birthday, and I was like, every single little detail, I couldn't even come up with that in a year.

No, it was a lot. But I will say, shout out to my mother-in-law because she really helped me. She is like Oz. She is a magical wizard that will just come up with these insane ideas. And it'll just... She got 22 pieces of metal engraved in 24 hours. She's like, I can get it done. Don't worry. I can get it done. She said, There's nothing I can't do. She literally had it all fucking done. I was like, There's no way. She had a neon sign. My assistant picked it up that morning and drove it to Napa. It was done the morning of the party.

How nice is it to like your mother-in-law?

I will, not to get too crazy and deep. We are like kindred spirits through life.

Have you had the opposite before? Even if it wasn't an absolute mother-in-law? Not bad.

I've never had a bad relationship with anybody's mother, but definitely not to this level.

Because I've had the son mommy dynamic where it's a little too incessual that you're like, Do you want to fuck your mom or me? What's going on?

I can't. That's not the guy for you. I can just... No, it does not work.

It doesn't work at all. No, it does not work. It's such a turn off also sexually. A hundred %. Yes. And it's like, Oh, you have to call your mommy every couple hours.

Get it together, we're adults. Get it together. And that's something I have to think about with my son. He's got a sweet spirit, so I might need to smack it out of him soon, but he's adorable.

They're good kids. And they've got great names, so they're immediately cool by association. Also, you, the whole thing is going to work for them. Thank you. Okay, what is a hot take that you've had in the past that you no longer stand by? What is a hot take that you've had in the past that you no longer stand by?

Okay, I used to have a... Okay. That I used to not like Anne Hathaway or her style, and now I love her. Oh my God. Is that a hot take?

That's so good.

I used to not be able to look at her. I was like, Oh, my fuck. Why does she annoy me to this level? Now she's my idol. She's my Queen. I don't know what the fuck she's done. It's that subtle actress work that's just puffing the right things up. The cheekbones are sunken in the right way. The outfits, I'm inspired by them. It's the tossled bang.

She's back right where she needed to be in Devil Wears Prada.

I love her.

And we loved her in that movie. Loved. Who didn't love her?

Yes. And I love her now.

I think she went through a really weird phase where people People were just shitting on her.

Hated her. It was when she was hosting the Oscars, and it was just too theatrical. I think what it read as, as we've touched on, it's the in authenticity that people just don't have time for.

Was she in Les Mis? Yes. Because it was too theatrical. We're like, We want you back, Princess. Yes. Diaries. Our Queen. Give it back to us. And she's back in her era. So I think that's a great take that you used to have, and then you don't agree with, and now you change your mind. Okay. You have discussed pop culture and celebrities for years, so I'm interested to know who would be your celebrity hall pass.

John Mayer. Was that too fast?

John Mayer?

Yeah. Really? Yeah. My husband knows. When I was single for a little bit, I was like, I'm going to go out with John Mayer. Guess that that Did not happen.

Have you ever met him?

Oh, yeah. Still did not happen. And you still want- Oh, no, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm moved on now. What about...

I feel like I'm fine. He's a Libra.

My husband's a Libra. I get along with Libras. I was like, Oh, he would totally... If he had two hours with me, he would fall in with me. Nope. Not even a little. Not for a second.

What about him do you love?

I don't know. I think he's hot. I think he's just got the whole thing down. I'm into it. I love that he's just mysteriously moving through every single person you've ever met. Ever. Except me. I'm fine. I'm just saying that's my celebrity hall pass. I'm here. Yeah.

And would your husband be okay with it?

Oh, no, absolutely never. Okay. No, we're not. We're totally closed. We're like, yes.

But you know who his is?

I feel like he's also more quiet about his hall passes, which is the ones you always have to watch out for. The people that vocalize their desires, it's on the table. He's like, Oh, she's pretty. Shut the fuck up with she's Who's pretty? Who says she's pretty about any person in their life? No one.

No one. Unless you're in love with them. Right.

There you go. Who's he? I'm going to call...

Who the fuck? Wow. Okay, so he's made little comment. Yes.

I'm trying. I guarantee you, when I leave, we're just going to have to do this again because when I leave, I'm going to be like, Oh, he likes blah, blah, blah. He thinks Kim's hot. But if you're a frog, you think Kim is hot. She is a really beautiful- I've never seen her in person. I've heard she's- It's like looking at the sun, you can't stare too long. It's stunning. This is very beautiful and was always very beautiful. I agree. That's why this works as well as it does.

I agree. Wow. Okay, so Kim, for your husband and you, John Mayer. Yes. What a fun couple night. You guys should just do it all together.

There you go.

By the way, open- You have to watch out because Kim's single. Well, I guess John's single, too. Oh, yeah. What's the most memorable interaction you had when you met a celebrity?

I mean, it's not as fun as it should be because it was on Zoom, but I guess It's split. They're my highlights. Rihanna, I went in to do a interview with her for Fenty Beauty, and it was like you were in a waiting room in Zoom, and then I opened the camera up, and those are very stressful. And doing things over the internet are very stressful. You want to be able to someone, be able to do a little small talk. She was like, Oh, my God, Morgan, I loved you on Rich Kids. You were so funny. I literally was seven and a half months pregnant, and I peed a little bit. I was so excited, and I couldn't hold my labia tight because it was flapping open at that point. And that's what happened. And then George Clooney was also so fucking lovely and a movie star. Those two. The bigger the star I've realized, the nicer they are. Really? Oh, yeah. Because you've already achieved that level of success. You just want good, normal, nice people around you to treat you like a human being. You're not insecure. You're not climbing. Jen Anastin, really nice.

I mean. Never met her. I've just heard. Just saying.

I love her so much. So much. I can't handle it. I can't. But you know what? I don't think that pertains to the James Corden issue.

By the way, I've heard.

I've heard. I've heard. We've heard. So there was a lot of news. I love... I feel like now I'm doing the nightly pop show. But I never usually cover pop culture. But James Corden, which is one thing I just do not fuck with, is news came out that he is the biggest fucking asshole to waiters. And Balthazar, a very famous place in New York City, that's just the best French place to go to. I guess he was just a fucking dick to the waiters, and they banned him from going there. And I don't fuck with that.

I don't fuck with that ever.

You are not better than anyone. I agree. And how dare you be rude.

How do you get to that point? And how does it stay quiet for so long? I feel like if I'm rude to anybody, it's everywhere in two minutes. Oh, not to make myself that big. But I do feel like it spreads around. I don't know if it's a male versus female thing. I hate to go there.

Because you're a bitch. She's never going to be called a bitch. What's he going to be called? An asshole?

An asshole. But now he apologizes in his unbanned in two minutes. You're rude to... He's not just rude to waiters. He's rude, allegedly, and I've heard from multiple people that we know, obviously, that he's not polite. I don't know how you actually are a person that's not polite to other people.

It's just especially when you hear the status of someone, you have such privilege and such access, and just be so grateful and gracious to people around you because be happy for what you have and be fucking nice. And especially when people are rude to waiters, I'm like, You're disgusting. Disgusting. But that's really interesting take that the bigger the celebrity, the nicer they are.

In my experience, I think with James Corden, not the best.

Yeah, but he's not even as big as- There you go. I mean, Rihanna. George Clooney has full movie star. I bet from a young age, he came out of the womb and they're like, He's going to be a movie star. Yeah.

I think he just has that jeunesse vibe. I don't know if that exists anymore in our generation.

I don't think it does. When you see Brad, you're like, that is a movie star. Leo, a movie star. But then Austin Butler, to me, doesn't have movie star vibes.

I think also because he's too close in our age group. But I do think it's possible that he can grow into it. Yes. I think he's also borderline too pretty. So also he doesn't have that rugged vibe that is like these other guys have.

Yeah. Because Brad can be rugged, even though he's prettier than both of us.

By the way, and my mom met him once, and he signed something for me. He's lovely. That's another person that's lovely.

Did you always want to be in the spotlight? Because you're meeting all... Oh, that was fast.

To be honest, I didn't always want to be in the spotlight. I always wanted to be successful at my talents. That's what it was. What were your talents? My talent was talking to people, being funny, engaging. I feel like my secret talent is, even if people hated me, I'm talking early club days, and we had a weirdness because one girl was sleeping with somebody, I was sleep. They still told me all of their insecurities and deepest thoughts, and then told me even about the person that they were sleeping with. I can disarm people and make them feel comfortable. I struggled so much in school that I wasn't going to go to college and do that for four years. So I really needed to rely on the assets I had, which were not always so easy to put into a job description.

I love it. I think it's great the fact that you knew, and look, you made it happen. Yeah. Thank God. You're married to Jordan McGraw. I am. His dad is Dr. Phil. He is. Does he act like your therapist at family dinners?

You know what? Honestly, he's very quiet in real life, and he doesn't need to say a lot, which is the opposite of me to fill in the void. And same with my husband. He doesn't need to say a lot, too. So every time I'm around him, I adore him. We get along very well. He inspires me. I mean, the self-made success that that man has had is I mean, he tried to talk to me about my E-contract. I'm like, This is too below. We're not talking. I'm talking about cable television. I'm not getting money back on the sales here or the time slots. I'm like, I just need to know if I should ask for this or this. He is wicked smart. I definitely am like, Can he read my mind? Like, does he know all my hurt feelings and traumas and bad habits? But we have a really nice banter.

Were you nervous when you first met him?

Well, I dated my husband first. 10 years, 12 years ago now. For a year. For a year. For a year. Then we broke up. But I had seen his parents around throughout the times that we weren't together. It was always energetically very strange, to the point where I was with my ex-husband in Saint-Tropez. I met up with my current husband's brother and sister my mother-in-law and went on my in-law's yacht and sat with my mother, now mother-in-law and father-in-law for like an hour with me, my ex-husband, and my best friend, and I had seen them at rest... You guys, the world works in such mysterious ways, and I've always had a lovely relationship with him.

So I guess you were friends with your ex?

No. Can I tell you the craziest thing? He wasn't there.

So this is fucking crazy.

Yeah. He was not there. He was on tour, and it was his older brother, who I've always gotten along with, his wife, who I adore. We met up in San Jose and hung out.

Was your ex-husband like, what the fuck? Not at all.

They all got along. It had been so many years that it wasn't... And Jordan was doing his thing and had different girlfriends. I look back now, even the purses he bought me from twelve years ago, I never got rid of them. And that wasn't to be sentimental. That was just because it was Chanel, and I was like, I'm not going to get enough money. I'm going to keep it. And now I look at my closet. I'm like, I now have two children with you. I'm going to now pass this on to you that your dad He gave me this bag when we dated when we were 22 or whatever. It's crazy.

Does his family also live in LA?

Yes. They live close to us. We see them. My mother-in-law comes over all the time because we're very close. I go there. She made a room for Ro. That is nicer than my entire house. It's like a joke.

And your family lives in LA, too?

And my family lives in LA. Is that a lot? No. We got lucky with this. My parents are happily married and have been for almost 40 years. And they've been together 40 fucking four years. They are the I'm not just saying this to you. They're eating at their kitchen counter like normal fucking people. I got so blessed.

Okay, that's good. Yeah, it's good. You obviously have been with Jordan for how many years now?

Oh, my God. 2020, we started to be together. We are going to be married only two years in December. It feels like we've been together for 25 years. I love it.

Yeah. How do your personalities complement each other?

I am so external and extroverted, and he's extroverted in a different way. So he's more introverted and calm and reads situations really well and is a really good judge of character. I have a harder time with that. I'm really open and vulnerable upon meeting people. And then I'm like, Fuck. Why did I do that? Shit. I don't trust you. I don't like you. And then I have to backpedal. He's very good at balancing me out. Every time I'm in a bad mood or don't feel good about something, he can talk me off a ledge. I'm working on being able to do that for him because if he gets upset about something, I'm like, Don't worry about it. And it's like, No, you have to validate someone's feelings, which I talked about my therapist. She I was like, No, you can't. You have to also make them feel because I'm like, Get in the game. We're fucking fine. Charge through it. And he's like, Can you just be in my feelings with me? I'm like, Oh, the feelings. You're like, Oh, right.

I hate feelings. Oh, wow. That's really interesting. So when he needs to cry, you're like, Buck up.

I'm working on it because that's how I've been. Cuddle him. Yes. I'm sweet. I validate. But we also think the exact same way about 90% of things. So nice. Anything we watch on TV, anything we see, we have the exact same immediate reaction at the same speed, which is very rare.

That That is so rare. And I think that when that happens, you got to hold on to it.

That's why we came back around.

When you guys had children, was there anything that completely shifted in your relationship?

No, I think we were really on the same page about making sure that our relationship was a priority, and we couldn't be completely only centered around our children.

So smart.

You have to do that, or you just will not survive. At all. Because there's always something to do. There's always something to fix. There's always something to talk about. And at one point, we did have to peel back on Getting the house in order and having the right people around. And he, finally, at dinner was like, You need to learn to stop talking after people leave. You need to just relax and enjoy your life and stop worrying about things that can't be changed right now because I am such a doer. I want to get things fixed immediately. He's like, You just can't.

Oh, that's nice. I feel calmer from hearing his words. Yeah, it is. I think I'm a little like that, just a little much. And my boyfriend's always like, How about you just calm down? Yeah. When they do that, now I don't get upset. Because if another boyfriend in the past would say that, he'd be like, Shut the fuck up. But now I know my partner's coming from a good place. Exactly. So it's healthier. Yes. I brought you here to talk about weddings. Okay. Because I've never really talked about them on my show. You've had two. I've had two.

Which is great. All the experience you need.

So first of all, the first time around you at your wedding, it was a big, elaborate wedding. Yeah.

150 people. Yeah.

How did you decide to have a big wedding?

To be honest, that's not even that big. It's not? It's not even that big. I feel like now, I feel like a big is 300 people. 250, 300 people. Could never, could never do it. And by the way, don't ever do that because that's because your parents have a lot of friends, and they want them there.

That's not because of you. It's not about my parents. It's about me. Exactly. Exactly. Okay, so you had a small... How did you decide to do a COVID wedding? Because I know a lot of people push theirs back.

It was just I didn't want to do a whole thing again. It was about the two of us. I knew that it was the right situation, and we just wanted to do it. People were like, Oh, you were pregnant. Nothing to do with that. I even at the point we were dating, I was like, If you don't want to get engaged right away, I don't mind. I mean, I'm happy to just do this with you because I knew Roe happened the first time anything happened.

The first time. Wait, so you're saying the first time you guys had sex?

I ever had unprotected sex, I got pregnant. Holy shit. It was bananas.

Were you even trying?

Not Even for I was wasted on my birthday, we had unprotected sex. I was like, I can just pop a pill for that. I was like, nothing's going to even happen. I mean, you hear stories that it takes months and months. I knew that when I made the decision to have the unprotected sex in my drunken state, I was like, if this were to happen, which it's not going I feel confident enough with this person being the person who's going to be the father of my child. That's great. But it was fucking nuts. Four weeks to the day, I was positive on a pregnancy test. It was wild. I was like, what?

When you took the pregnancy test, were you- I was one day late, and I was like, It's positive.

And then I took 30 more.

And they were all positive. And then what did you do? You just had a conversation with Jordan, and you were like, Fine.

I'm like, We're just going to have a baby. And he was fine. And he was fine, and he was thrilled. We wanted it. I just didn't think it was going to happen Totally.

At that timeline. That's why... Because I think weddings, I'm interested by your smaller wedding versus bigger wedding, because I think a lot of people feel so much pressure to have the big wedding or have all these people there. And half the time, I feel like when you do that, it's for other people. It's not even for the people getting fucking married. It's for all the family members to fulfill a need of theirs, whether it's to show off or validation or just see all their fucking friends. Do you have any advice for anyone that's trying to figure out what wedding they want?

I think the idea for a big wedding is really... If that's something you want, I don't think you should be ashamed by that. I think you should go for it. I definitely think you should think about who you're genuinely going on the friend side. Family is more obligatory. You have to invite certain family members. I think on the friend side, do you really feel like this couple is going to be there for 10 years down the road? Because it's also like, Well, we like her, but we don't like him. And it's like, you need to really just make sure that you're not inviting people to invite them.

I completely agree. I feel like that happens a lot of times. I've seen people at their weddings, and they're like, I feel like I I didn't even talk to anyone that I care about. Oh, my God, where have you guys been the whole night? And I think that's sad if you don't get to enjoy your actual wedding, which I'm interested to know, so you enjoyed your smaller wedding. I preferred it.

And I'm not just saying that because this is my current husband. I genuinely felt relaxed. I felt happy. I didn't feel exhausted. I was able to enjoy, soak in. I remember the meal we had. I remember the cake. I remember the photos. It's really about celebrating the two of you. I don't care how much money you have. We could have had the biggest wedding in the world, but it's like, we didn't want to spend that time small talking with other I love it.

Also, bridesmaids. Let's quickly talk about it. Oh, God. Do you think they're going out of style? What is your... Yeah.

It's really dated. It felt dated when I got married the first time. I just... And most of the girls that... How many did you have? Oh, my God. I can't even remember. Six? Oh, wow. I mean, I speak to most of them, but it's just not... It's just having girls stand up there with you. I would avoid it.

Were they all wearing the same dress? Yes.

I know. I know. I know.

It's I know. Listen, if people are listening and you want to have a bridesmaid, that's totally fine. I just think you shouldn't feel pressured to because you're supposed to have that many people standing up there with you. Get up there alone, bitch.

Exactly. Do your thing. And also, you have to wait for all those bitches to walk down. It's not It's too long. Ceremony under 15 minutes. Quick. It should be nine minutes.

Let's talk a little bit about reality TV for a second. Let's do it. You were on, like I said, the show Rich Kids of Beverly Hills. Yes. Which, I mean, what a name. What a name. What a name for a show. It was insane. Looking back, were you playing a character?

No, I wasn't playing a character. I was just a younger version of who I am now, and I don't relate to that person as much anymore. Okay. But no, I wasn't playing a character. I definitely felt like maybe I was more turned up in moments. And there were story lines we had to fulfill because it is ultimately, no matter what, they follow reality, but you have to embellish. You have to make gray areas pop. You have to refilm things. So, yeah, it was a job. Let's put it that way.

Okay. So It wasn't a full character, but you were... When you look back, what do you like and dislike about that?

I didn't watch a lot of it, to be honest. I put myself out there for other people to enjoy me or not enjoy me. It wasn't for me to sit back and be like, Oh, my God, you're on TV. And my interview looks were so bad. That was such an early start of glam that I had no fucking clue about. So it's tough to watch back.

I get that. Even with my podcast, sometimes I'm like, oh, people are always like, oh, how do you feel that you've had four years of just podcasting on the internet? And I'm like, not great. I mean, it's not great. I don't hate it, but I don't love it. There are certain things that I'm like, Why did I say that? No, totally. Oh, no.

By the way, I felt like I was way, I guess, bitchier, immature, insecure, but what you are is a younger version of yourself.

That's what I feel people have to understand. Sometimes people look back at when you put your life on the internet or you're on TV and people scrutinize you for one thing, you're like, I was how old? And now I'm different I'm a different person. I'm a different person. And if you documented yourself at that age, hopefully you'd be a different person five years later also. Right.

And good fucking luck. Exactly.

Exactly. Okay, so you don't hate the character, but you just look back and you're like, I was just a little bit more aggressive.

I was a a little bit more aggressive, and I wasn't as happy. You know what I mean? I also hadn't had five years of therapy.

How did you like filming that show?

I liked it. I took it very much as like, this is a stepping stone. I had worked towards getting on the show, not that specific show, but a show in general. I treated it very much like a job. I was on time to things. It was fun because I was friends with them, but with the people on it. But it was a job.

What are you like in a social setting when you're drunk? Give us like, drunk-Loud and very nice.

I am like, We're going here. What about this? Oh, my God. You told me you were interested in that. I get high off of being able to be louder because I'm wasted. Then I am inviting you everywhere. We are going to Rome. Then I'm like, Oh, no, we're not. We're not going to Rome. I am engaging.

You're the person that meets people in the bathroom and you're like, Guys, come to the table.

Yes. I love it. I'm that person. I'm an internal club rat no matter how old I am. I just love to talk to people. But then also, if I get cornered and I don't want talk, then I have a serious psycho breakdown. Because I don't know how to get out of the conversation.

I was talking about that with somebody the other day where I was at an event and someone was stuck, and you just can see it. Everyone can see it when you're in a social setting, and it's the nature of what happens. You start talking to someone, totally genuine conversation, whatever. But it's forced because you guys don't really know each other. And it was just more supposed to be like, Hi, how are you? Oh, it's so good to see you here. And then you're supposed to keep flowing. But then all of a sudden, everyone else is in conversation, and you're stuck with that We're stuck.

It's like your partner for the night. I'm always with a partner for the night. Then I almost get... I get so fucking crazy that I will be like, We're seeing it through now. We're fucking signed up for this. Keep telling me about your mom. What mental illness did she have? Tell me about your parents' divorce when you were 12. Why the fuck am I in this deep? This is what happens. I get fucking blind, and I keep going.

I do, too. It's hard. I'm down the tunnel, and now I'm like, Well, we can talk about this. Here's my number. Oh, my number. I'll give you my therapist. We can get through this. Let's get lunch. I'm like, I didn't even want to go to lunch. I didn't even want to go to lunch.

And it's not even being fake. You're trying to make someone comfortable, and you double down because you're like, Why are you walking away? Right. Just say, Hi, how are you?

And just...

I know. A good host. I'm going to start to implement that into my parties of like, You guys have been talking a long time.

And it's nothing mean. No. It's genuinely just sometimes you don't need to have a conversation that long with someone. No. And you could just say, I got to go. But sometimes if the other person is not reading the queue, it can get a little awkward.

Oh, my God. I've been there so many times.

It's exhausting, too. Because sometimes they really are excited to have the conversation.

I know.

And you're like, What the fuck? Yeah. And there's other times where I want to talk for an to someone. Don't get it twisted.

But it's usually not somebody you've just met unless it's you and I. You're all like, Guys, you're going to shut the fuck up.

Yeah, exactly. If someone can't shut the fuck up, but it's a good can't shut the fuck up, great. If someone's so self-centered and just keeps talking about themselves, then you're like, Do you even know my name, then that's where you want to just... Yeah, I agree. What is a current social media trend that makes you cringe? Oh, my God. All of it.

I feel like the TikTok... I feel like I'm just... No shade to it. I love it, but I just cannot. I don't have the time. I don't know. I can't find I'm trying to do Beyoncé Cuffet. I'm trying to fucking figure it out. I'm trying to do that, and I can't.

It shifts a lot every day. Every day. I can't even post on TikTok. I try, but I can't get it down.

I can't get it down. Also, our photo is just not good enough anymore. Do you want me to take a video of me walking down the street and pretending I don't know? Because I tried in Napa. You know what happened? It was horrific. It was so bad that I was like, How the fuck does this- Who took the video for you?

My husband.

I said, You have to take a video of my outfit because I can't just get a photo. I need to walking. He goes, Okay, here. It was so much nose. It was so much. It was so bad. It's just, I can't. You just knew. I just knew.

Because that's the thing that's awful is, or even the photos where we're trying to pretend we're not looking. We know someone who is holding our own personal iPhone and taking the photo. I know. And what has become cool about that? I'm doing it, too. I'm looking down, looking away. Just look at the camera. What happened to this?

I know. The smiling at the photo. I swear I'm going to bring it back. That's what we should do. We should. I cannot keep pretending like, Oh, there's a bird. Oh, my God. Oh, and I'm looking down. It's been years of social media, and I still have no fucking idea to take a photo. Maybe we bring it back. Yeah, it's time. You're the photo. Yeah. Smiley happy. I feel much better. I'm not doing the pressure. I'm not doing it anymore.

Or just stare at the camera. We acknowledge, we know there is a husband or a boyfriend or a best friend or a mom or a grandma, crouching to get the angle. Exactly.

Acknowledge that. Exactly. I'm with you. I agree. Okay.

Well, this is making me feel better. Okay. When you wrapped your show after five seasons, your parting gift from your team was a book of some of your best quotes. What was your favorite quote from the book?

It was something about you not knowing your dad. What was it? It was like, if you're in heels by the pool, you don't know your dad, or something like that. Because really, why are you in heels by the pool? Are you going to slip and break your neck? You are really trying for something. You need to call someone else.

If you're in heels by the pool, you don't know your dad.

Yeah. And you have a thigh tattoo that you regret. And you're in a black, zippery, something that's uncomfortable for the labia to be in.

What do you feel about the wedge? Or the one with the cork underneath, essentially? Listen. It looks like a plank from Home Depot. Home Depot.

I don't hate a wedge. You got to be specific about the wedge. But I like white or black. When things are in the gray, I have a very hard time. I spiral. Okay? I need things to be very clear. You're either my best friend or you're not my friend. I can't have you be a friend to me, whatever. I'm getting to the wedge part of it all. A wedge is the gray, right? Because you're not wearing it by the pool if you have any class. And you're not wearing it to dinner unless you're on vacation. So it's a useless shoe Unless that's your heel of choice, which doesn't feel formal enough for me. How much time do I have to know all these opinions? It's weird.

No, this is good.

So to me, I'm overwhelmed by the idea of a wedge because it's useless to me. But I bought a pair of wedges over the summer. They had pompons on them. I brought them on vacation, and I never ended up wearing them. And so I wore them on my show one time. But a wedge just does not serve conducive to getting dressed.

I agree with you. Yeah.

I'm not wearing wedges with jeans. It's not 2008. Oh, no, no, no. No.

No, I agree. They're not the cutest also. No, they're not the cutest. They're comfortable.

Yeah, they're definitely comfortable. But they're not comfortable in the sense that, Oh, I'm wearing them to Coachella, or that's scary. Who's wearing those to Coachella? Nobody.

I hope nobody.

Nobody you're talking to.

No, nobody. What did you think about the... What boot is in right The knee or above the knee or below? What are we doing?

I think to the knee or high up. I think they both work. To the knee, high up. An ankle boot that's heeled, it's unacceptable. It never elongates. It never looks good. You're not doing yourself a favor. It doesn't look good on Irina fucking shake. If you have an ankle boot, return it. I don't care if it's a sock booty and it's the most flattering version. It does not look good. It's cutting off your leg, whether your leg's nine feet long or two feet long. They're awful. A black suede ankle boot makes me want to clench my asshole and pitch it. I can't.

I think I owned one of those in college. I thought I was rocking the top.

And then there's throw up on the side because you walked through it.

And then there's a little chain to like, zip it.

No, zip it. Oh, mama.

Okay, so when you... I love how I'm asking you fashion advice, but I think this can help a lot of people. We're lost out here, okay? So it's either to the knee or high as fuck.

High. High to the point where you're not getting... If you're wearing a skirt, the skirt is covering. You want it to be extensive leather or suede.

Do you feel like that looks ho-ish, though? What can you wear with that?

No, it's not ho-ish because we are covering. So skirt, so boot, skirt. We don't want this showing. We don't want an ounce of skin showing. You also, not to confuse, you can wear pantyhose under the thigh high boot and wear a booty short, like a leather booty short with a baggy sweater that reads classy and cute. But if you're doing skirt, no pantyhose, and boot that's showing trash whore. Disgusting. Which, by the way, I am the biggest trash whore, but not in terms of dressing.

Okay, this is good. It's giving everything you're calling out is Alex in college.

Exactly. No, by the way, we've all been there. Trust me. We've grown.

So if you're in college, do what we're saying, actually. Do that.

Because here's the thing- You want to be a trash whore. Exactly.

It's the best to be the trash whore.

Exactly. But now I I feel like people also do these little tricks that they're like, Why doesn't it look the same on me? And those little details are why it works on the people these girls are following.

I got it. And so when you're doing a boot, though, and you're wearing long pants, the pants go over the boot.

Okay, yes. So if you're doing an ankle boot for that purpose, and it's covered, and you don't know, it's ambiguous in terms of the height, fine.

But if you're doing- Have you ever seen someone wear an ankle boot with a dress? Yeah. No stocking.

Yeah. It's just unacceptable. It's not making you look better in any way.

Okay, so while we're wrapping up, because this is actually great. I never talk about fashion on Call Her Daddy, but I actually think this is fucking helpful because it really is. Good. I'm so happy. We need to learn. For fall, what are some go-tos we need to just be rocking, wearing, living in?

I think it should always... Everyone should have two oversize crew neck sweaters. Two oversize crew neck. And I think I'm somebody that believes in investing in a higher priced item, even if you can't buy them a lot because you have them for five years.

What's your go-to outfit for a fun, sexy date I write all this shit, and then I'm always in a really fitted, skinny crop ankle jean with a blazer of some kind and a T-shirt underneath and a heel.

That is what I am comfortable in. That's what I go to.

Skinny crop jean, heel, T-shirt blazer.

It should always be a little bit high on the ankle.

High on the ankle.

Not all the way down where you're like, no, it needs to be- We should have done a fucking vlog episode where I come over and we try it on clothes. I'm ready. By the way, I'm ready.

Maybe we do that.

Let's do it. I'm ready.

Because we need help.

I am.

Those are the things- Daddy Gang needs help.

You're like, I can help. I can help you anytime you want.

Okay, I want to know, what are you doing next? Your show just ended.

Show just ended. I'm in the process of working. I'll be very detailed with you right now. I'm working out a budget for a pilot I'm going to shoot for, a show idea that I've had for a really long time. I'm not going to say exactly what the show is, but it is definitely something that I, for years, have just been like, I don't feel like my multi-layered self has been shown. There's always a version of who I am. There's a very empathetic, very nice side of me. I'm just going to talk all about how great I am. And generous, and I'm actually a pretty decent person and somebody I've become that I started to really like after all the work I've done. I feel like that doesn't get exposed enough. So this show will interweave a little bit more of the different layers of who I am.

So are you going to have a reality show?

It's not going to be reality. There will be snippets of reality, but it will not be reality.

When you're saying that you've really come to like yourself, what is that evolution?

I think that I've worked a lot on myself, especially in the last four years, and I've really learned why I worked the way I did for so many years, and ended up leaving relationships really in a a messy place, and friendships in a messy place. And I just feel like I now understand certain things have happened to me over my life that I understand now why I operated that way. And now I'm moving away from that because I'm undoing all of that. And so I feel like I get to be a better version myself. And so that version, I would like to be out in the world more. And it's also hard to self-produce yourself every day to post video. It's a lot. It's a lot. I'm exhausted. I don't want to do that all the time.

I love that for you. Also so exciting because you're now raising children. Exactly. And just the fact that you're feeling like you're the best version of yourself. Therapy, a godsend. A godsend. And I mean, I'm so excited for the show whenever it comes out.

I'm manifesting May. I think I'll be filming in May. Oh, yeah. I've manifested I'm going to send everything in my entire life. Anything you want in your entire life, you just say it. Anything. I'm going to date him. Okay. Except for John Mayer, everything is happening.

Except for John Mayer. But honestly, I will be checking the news, moving forward because I could see it happening now. There is going to be like, all of a sudden, they allow a third into their relationship, and they had a one night spree with John Mayer. Oh, my God. No, I love you. Thank you so much for coming on. This truly was so fun. Thank you so much for having me. It was truly was so fun. The Daddy Gang is going to love you, and we're taking notes on the fashion advice.

I love it. I'm coming back anytime. I love you. Thank you. Love you.