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Hey, everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the number one health podcast in the world. Thanks to each and every one of you that come back every week to listen, learn and grow. Now you know that I'm curious about biohacking, about becoming better, about improving my energy, my focus, my strength. And there's a guest that we've had on twice before who I'm so excited to have back on because he is the father of biohacking, someone who has brought this movement to the fore, helped create so many products, insights, books that have guided us through this. I'm talking about the one and only Dave Asprey, entrepreneur, four time New York Times bestselling author and host of the top 100 podcast, The Human Upgrade, formerly Bulletproof Radio, which is more than 200 million downloads. Dave is the co-founder of Bulletproof Coffee and a leading voice in the movement to take control of our own biology. News outlets like The Today Show, CNN, Wired, Good Morning America, Fast Company, and many more call him the father of biohacking. And over the last two decades, Dave has worked with world-renowned doctors, researchers, scientists, and Global Mavericks to uncover the latest, most innovative methods.

And what I love about what Dave does is he makes what could cost a lot of money extremely accessible, relevant, and practical. And he's doing that in this new book called Smarter, Not Harder: The Biohackers Guide to getting the body and mind you want. Go and grab a copy of this right now. We're going to put a link in the caption so you can order it while you're listening to us. Welcome back to the show, Dave Asprey. Dave, third time.

Jay, it's always such a pleasure to get time in person with you.

I know, me too. I really love seeing you, and I said it to you today. I see you whenever we're connecting, maybe at a conference or obviously on the podcast, you look better and younger and fitter and healthier every time over the last few years. And I think that's testament to everything you say working and everything you're saying you're practicing it. And honestly, I saw you today and I was just like, Who's this big, bright light in my house? Thank you. It's really special to obviously practice what you preach, but to actually see the benefits. You must feel great, too.

I feel amazing. I wrote a big book on longevity that I published a few years ago, and I went really deep. For 20 years, I've been running a nonprofit and just working in that field. But I went really deep and I started doing the stuff more aggressively. I am now, let's say, 11 years younger than my calendar age. And last week I just got some gene therapy that'll take another nine years off my measured age. I should test to be about 30 years old, even though the calendar believes something different.

What is that measuring? I've heard people talk about measuring the age before. How is that calculating? Obviously, we know how your calendar age marks, but how are they calculating a biological age? What does that look like? What are the processes?

You draw a little bit of blood, and then they look at something called DNA methylation, about 800,000 different data points. You can say, Well, normal people have this much methylation in this pattern, but people who are younger look this way. If you take two people's blood, you should be able to tell their age. But if they take my blood, they get a much younger age. This is now the gold standard for measuring how old you are. There's other more affordable tests, like VIOM has an age that's based on a lot of things that are happening in your gut bacteria and in your body. And then there's old fashioned blood telomere tests that don't work very well.

So yeah, don't trust those ones. You may feel like you're 10 years older, but that's not accurate. Well, I want to dive into this new book. There are so many chapters that really stood out to me as we were going. I picked out some lines here that really hit me. This one I thought was huge, and I love how you start the book on laziness. And you talk about tapping into the power of laziness. I was just thinking, this is so true, because whenever anyone's trying to shift their health, whether it's biohacking, whether it's mental health, whatever it may be, laziness seems to be like this big elephant in the room. It's like that thing that slows you down. It makes you lax, it feels like it's negative, but you're not lazy, your body is, and you talk about tapping into the power of laziness. Tell me how you do that and what does that mean, because I think you're going to make a lot of people happy today.

I will, but even talking about laziness, the only thing worse is talking about death. I mean, people, they don't want to do it. When I would do an Instagram post about laziness, people would just not watch it because I don't want to face that. We've all been shamed for being lazy. There's that coach who's like, Don't be so lazy. Run around the field again. And the teacher, You're not performing or your parents. So we have all this shame about it. The reality, though, is that your body has an operating system. I call it the meat operating system. And a lot of spiritual work is actually accessing that. And it has a very strong desire to not waste energy. And that is a sacred thing. Imagine if we had two people and one of them says, working hard gets results. And I said, All right, guys, go dig a ditch. And one of them says, I got my shovel. And the other one says, I got a tractor. Okay. The guy with the tractor was done in 20 minutes and the other guy works for three days. We somehow believe, without thinking, the virtuous guy is the guy with a shovel because he worked hard.

We're unconsciously believing that working hard gets results. We shame ourselves when we don't work hard. Sadly, when we work hard and we don't get results, we start feeling like victims, which is really toxic. We all know people work really hard and don't get results. Maybe it's because we have a belief system in there that doesn't work. When we say, Well, couldn't I do this in an easier way? We start feeling shame. Now, it's not okay to do it the easy way because the virtue comes from the struggle. But in the world that we live in, the virtue comes from getting it done and understanding that you will always have a desire to be lazy and think about it. You wake up and you say, All right, I could go to the gym, or there's a couch and there's donuts and Netflix. The couch is always going to look sexier. We start, Well, I should want the gym. No, you shouldn't. Your body really does want the extra energy from the donuts and not using any energy in case there's a famine. Embracing that your motivation from your body is to save energy. There's nothing wrong with that.

Then how do you use that to motivate yourself? That's how to hack laziness. Well, if you go to the gym, let's say you're going to do cardio, you go to spin class. If you did an hour a day, five days a week, that's aggressive. You're going to improve after two months, two % improvement in your fitness. If you do the lazy way, the thing I write about and smarter, not harder, you're going to spend 15 minutes a week, you will not sweat. That's the amount of time you spend brushing your teeth, by the way. You'll improve by 12%, six times more. You wake up and you say, Today, I'm going to save 50 minutes of not working at the gym because I'm going to do it better. All of a sudden, it's really motivating because the body says, I get to save energy at the gym? Then the body aligns its motivation with what your mind wants, and then the resistance fades. It's a really important thing. It's something that I've never seen written about anywhere. Use the savings of time, the savings of energy to motivate yourself. But you know who does know about this?

Big food companies. They will send you a 25-cent coupon. Oh, look, I saved 25 cents. Because to our body, saving money feels like a lot more than it really is. Right? It's about our unconscious view of reality. Since we know our body does that without our knowledge or permission, let's just use it to our advantage instead of against us.

Yeah, absolutely. It's using a 15-minute workout per day.

No, no, no.

No, no. No, using a 15-minute.

Workout- Five minutes three times a week.

Five minutes three times a week. How is that having a 12 % change?

Well, maybe working hard doesn't get results when it comes to exercise. I want to be really clear. The ability to work hard is necessary for you to get things done in the world. But working hard without the right tools is a fool's errand. One of my companies is a franchise. We're about to be over about 30 locations signed. We're opening across the country. It's called Upgrade Labs. You can go to ownandupgradelabs. Com and open one in your neighborhood. We have the technology to do this. It uses artificial intelligence, and it causes you to move slower than you want, and then way harder than you really want to, but only for 20 seconds. Then here's the trick. As soon as you're done, you take some really deep breaths and it guides you with the AI to say breathe deeper and it brings your heart rate down. What your body really responds to is really strong stimulation, like a tiger was going to catch you. Then a feeling of safety and calm. When you have enough minerals, you have enough nutrients. It says, Oh, I guess I should improve my performance. But if you go to the spin class, the tiger chased you on the first sprint, and then you keep running.

Then you sprint again and you keep running. The body believes, I'm being hunted and it doesn't get away. If you're combining that with a low-calorie diet, Oh, there's a famine and I'm continuously hunted for an hour a day, no wonder it's not going to improve. It doesn't have any energy to improve. It's just stressed. The precise dose of exercise, it matters so much. And the liberating thing, you're going to hate me for saying this. You notice I'm in better shape than before. Twenty minutes a week is my entire workout regimen. I'm doing all right.

Yeah. You're the fact. Yeah, you're stacked. That's epic, man. You said it beautifully on page 21. You said, Your body does not care how much time you do something hard. It cares about how quickly you do something hard, how hard it is, and how quickly it returns to baseline. There you go. Page 21. And that resonated with me a lot because, and we'll talk about this later on, I don't want to get into it now, but you talk about this in the book as well, why the infrared swana and why cold plunges, that explains exactly that process, especially if you're doing both back and forth, and you think they're getting in the cold for you're like, Oh, I'd have to sit in there for a long time. But it's actually how long is it uncomfortable for where it's actually working? Because you're saying once it becomes normalized, once anything becomes normalized, whether it's spin class, whether it's sitting in the cold or whatever it may be, it's now not having that effect.

It doesn't work. In fact, if you got in a normal warm bathtub and slowly cooled the water, you would have no benefits from doing that. Instead, it's that you got in and it was a rapid drop in temperature, and then you got out and the body warmed itself up again. It's teaching the body that it is safe to warm itself up, and then it becomes better at creating heat. If your body is better at creating heat, it means your metabolism works better. We've unpacked all of this using machine learning and artificial intelligence. Today, most people, they buy gym memberships and they don't go. There's $400 million dollars a year of ghost memberships where people pay and never show up. Because, well, if I have the membership, I might show up. But the lazy impulse of the body wins because the gym doesn't have a good return on investment of your time. I'm not saying you shouldn't work out. No, I know. Yeah. If you go to the gym, awesome. I enjoy that as well. But I'd frankly rather go to a yoga class in my spare time, and then you can get the muscles in about three to five times less time than going to the gym.

You get the cardio in, I don't know, 15 minutes versus 5 hours a week. I don't know the ratio there, but it's crazy. It's much better cardio anyway. All of a sudden you're saying, Wait, I got my strength. I got my cardio. That was what led me to create upgrade labs. Because people want to come in and do this. What do you do with the extra time? Well, how about we train your brain with neurofeedback? How about we train your stress response so you can be more resilient when things are weird at work or at home or things like that? Or how about we just make it so your body recovers better than it ever did? What we're dealing with now is a world full of stress and never any recovery time. Let's use technology to handle the easy stuff like muscles and cardio, and then let's take the extra save time to make our brains better and to make our stress handling better. Absolutely has changed my life.

Have you got one in L. A. Upgrade labs?

There's one at the Beverly Hilton. Although that hotel is about to get renovated, and there's one in Santa Monica underneath Arnold.

Schwarzenegger's office. I want to go. Absolutely. You're always welcome. I need to go. I need to come in. I didn't realize. That's awesome.

Yeah, in fact, the first one opened eight years ago in Santa Monica. I've been working on this for a long time before we decided to let anyone open a business at upgrade labs. Part of this is it's a global movement now. Biohacking, it's a thing. You go to Latin America, you go to Japan. It doesn't matter. There's biohacking all over the world. It's expensive to build a million dollar lab like I did at my house with all this advanced tech. So what if we just made it available for everyone?

That's awesome. I can't wait to check it out. All right, let's dive back in. There's a couple of things that you talked about. We talked about laziness. One of the things that you talked about in the book is removing friction. You have these six steps to energy success, and I'll let people get the book to dive into all of them. I don't want to go through everything. But you talked about removing friction. I think when you dive into that, I was like, That's the right word. It's friction that we experience. What are some of the steps or some of the highlights that you see of removing friction? What does that look like?

When you think about something that you want to do, oftentimes it's the little things that feel really big because your body is creating resistance. It's like, don't waste energy. There might be a famine. Don't waste energy. So if you can't find your gym shoes because you're not organized. And there's a lot of things that we do that make it so that there's many steps and each step is a decision. So you remove decisions to make it really easy. And a big source of friction is you wanted to do it. You went to the gym and you didn't get results. Well, one of the things that's holding you back is that either you're exposing yourself to toxins that lower your testosterone, things like extra plastic, BPA, or you're just lacking minerals. Right now, we have an epidemic of people who just don't have enough minerals. Our food used to be full of minerals because our soil was full of minerals. We've been strip farming the land. Even if you're eating plants that are supposed to be high in iron, they're probably not because the soil doesn't have iron anymore. When you get enough minerals in the body, then you send a signal through your exercise that says, Hey, improve.

The body says, Well, I wanted to improve, but I have this big sticking point. I don't have enough zinc and copper. I can't improve. Then you just feel stressed. One of the things that's really helped me lean out is I focus very heavily on my mineral intake. They're the least sexy supplements on Earth. To make minerals go where they're supposed to go, we need something called vitamin Dake. You can go to vitamindake, D-A-K-E. Com, and it's there. It's about 20 bucks a month for what it takes to do this. It's a combination of vitamin D, vitamin A, vitamin K, and a special form of vitamin E. Those things, when you take those in combination with a broad spectrum mineral supplement on the same site, your body suddenly has the power to build bones and to build muscle and make energy, and your focus can improve. Then I put the trace minerals that are just broadly lacking for all of us in my new coffee brand called Danger Coffee. The idea is it's easy. You're doing coffee every day, probably anyway, and you end up going, Wow, something different. It feels different than this. And it's called Danger Coffee, by the way.

You're going to like this because who knows what you might do? You might finally ask that girl out. You might start a company. You might start a podcast. The idea.

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And why are the minerals you talked about this like we always talk about supplements, talk about vitamins. We don't hear about minerals as much. And you make that point in the book. Are those the four minerals that you're saying the D, A, K and special form of E? Those are the-Those.

Are vitamins. Yes, of course. They're the fat, soluble vitamins, and each of those directs minerals to go to the right place in the body. And in the minerals, there's macrominerals, things like magnesium and potassium. And there's trace minerals like zinc and copper and manganese. And then there's ultra-trace minerals that are present in the earth's crust, and you need a little bit of those. So in the coffee, there's 54 different kinds of minerals at super tiny traces. And in the supplements you take, it's three pills to get enough minerals, just enough minerals in your day. That's why a one pill thing that has vitamins and minerals, there's not enough of anything in that. When you do that, those are the first two most important foundational and affordable supplements that you need to take before you do B vitamins. I've formulated neutropics and advanced anti-aging longevity things. I love doing that, and I take those too. But the last thing I would ever stop taking would be vitamin Dake and Minerals 101 because they're foundational to everything else your body does, whether it's meditating better, whether it's running faster, whether it's thinking better, or just staying calm in a stressful situation without minerals, your body cannot do what it's trying.

To do. Yeah. No, I couldn't agree with you more. We've talked about this before, and I've definitely had periods in my life where I was so low on minerals or vitamins, of course, which are then impacting the minerals where I'm like, Wait a minute. I'm sleeping right? I'm working out? I'm eating right? What is going on? So often I think we make it a mental challenge where we're like, Oh, maybe I'm dealing with something. Actually what you realize is your body is just not dealing with stress well. Now it makes it feel like everything's mental when it's actually biological and chemical.

You said it's my body is not dealing with stress right now. I believe that half and maybe 70 % of the emotional stress that we feel on a daily basis, it comes from our body being malnourished.

Yes, I agree. Yeah. -then it feels like -I've experienced that.

Okay, you have. So me too. It feels like it's your mother-in-law or your boss, or it's someone else's fault, or maybe it's you and your mind is running in circles. Well, when the body feels like, Okay, there's not a famine. I've got everything I need. All of a sudden, things that felt like Everest, Oh, that's just a food. I could walk up that. No problem. To create a feeling of peace in your tissues and then do the hard work on the mental and spiritual aspects of meditation, it's a lot easier to work on those when your body is working. But if you're constantly feeling that what your body is telling you because it's hungry is you and it's a flaw or something to work on, you can spend your entire life trying to deal with your emotions, not knowing that it's what's on your plate that's causing them.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes. I want to fully double-emphasize that. That is so true and so real, and It think so many of us are climbing up a steep hill trying to solve the wrong problem first. And this way round is going to make all of it much easier. I think you're spot on. I'm so glad that we addressed that. I wanted to dive into this one, like for everyone who's listening and watching, the book goes into depth into exactly the minerals, exactly the vitamins you need. I want you to know that the book's giving you a breakdown. And so make sure you grab the book so that you actually get all the insights. I just want to give you the breadth of the insight that Dave has so that you're like, Oh, wait a minute. I need to work on that. I need to work on that. Something you talk a lot about is picking a target area and tracking it. And you talk about these core target areas. You talk about strength, cardiovascular, fitness, energy, metabolism, brain function, and stress resistance. And I found that that's probably our biggest mistake when it comes to our health, is we either are measuring nothing or we're trying to measure everything.

You nailed it. Right? Where should one start? How does one intuitively or data wise know what they are missing right now? Because I feel like most of us don't know. Most of us live quite unconsciously, and we may be feeling a bit tired. We may be feeling a bit of body pain, but we're not really that aware of what the challenge is and what we need.

I have a lot of data on this because we ask people this when they come into Upgrade Labs, and that was one of the things that inspired me to structure the book this way. It's funny. The only people on Earth who are going to say when they wake up in the morning, the first thing they want, I want to be healthy today, they're people who are like me. When I weighed 300 pounds, I had chronic fatigue syndrome and arthritis and massive brain fog, and I was a wreck. So being healthy was a top priority for me. And you might get there when you're 75 as well. I just wish I was healthy. But when we're reasonably healthy, health is number 17 on the honeydew list. I want it. And what's really motivating us oftentimes from our body is we want to be powerful. We want to be energetic. We want love in our life. Those things, they Trump health. Health never gets enough priority. What does health even mean? Most people can't tell you. I broke it down into those five or six categories. Okay, what are you going to work on first? Every person is individual.

So where are you today? And then what's your first goal? And everyone says, Well, I want all of those, but pick one. And in fact, I encourage you in the book to pick two and really think about it. And when people come in, we actually use a conjoint analysis survey and we go through data to help you figure out your goals. But in the book, I teach you how to do it. So if your first goal is, You know what? I noticed that I'm weak. I can't hold on to things like my grip strength is gone. I don't have the muscles. I want. Okay, so you're going to focus on muscle first. Or like a lot of people, I'm stressed all the time and my brain doesn't work. I'm going to focus on my brain first. So then you go to the section of the book on brain and I list all the technologies and techniques, whether they're free or cost a couple hundred bucks or cost thousands of dollars, that work really well to bring your brain back online. And when you do that, your muscles will work a little bit better as a side effect.

Right? So maybe that was it. First I want my brain, then I want my muscles. But someone else could be totally different in their desires. I want to be able to run a marathon. I just need the endurance to walk up the stairs because I can't take care of my kids. Stuff like that happens all the time. You go through the book and say, Okay, this is my goal. Then there's a variety of technologies that will support that. Some of them, I say technologies, they're just techniques. If it's muscles, picking up rocks is the entire history of building muscles for humans. We concentrate the rocks into kettlebells now, but they're still rocks. Then for endurance, it's run away from tigers. You could run away from a slow tiger or a fast tiger. That's all of exercise. Well, with machine learning and AI, we are doubling the amount of knowledge of biology that we have every 73 days. There's so much magic happening right now that you can use this new knowledge that your doctor is probably never going to know. You can use that to say, Oh, I can do this in a lot less time.

Then you get your muscles back and your brain works better. You get your brain back and then you have the energy to do the muscle work or to do the endurance work. Then say, I'm going to work on these stress management techniques. You have so much wisdom that you've offered people on dealing with stress and the meditation side of things. There's a couple of chapters towards the end of the book where I talk about spiritual hacking, which on its face is a bit offensive, I admit it. But anyway.

No, I knew it came from a good place.

It did. Yeah. The idea here is.

What.

Would have happened in Quebec or in India or Nepal or a place like that is, Okay, we have a cave, and you can go to the cave. Twenty years later, you are going to be enlightened. You could call that fast path. But most of us have other things that we want to do. How do we get the maximum amount of meditation benefit per minute? Like, hurry, meditate faster? It's an oxymoron. Except if you can say, Well, I'm going to do breath work with my meditation, and studies show that your brain gets into these states more quickly, then maybe you should consider finding the breath work that works for your body, because for every 10 minutes of work you do, you might get into the state faster. For some people say, Well, that's not okay. The Dalai Lama years ago offered $100,000 reward to neuroscientists who could help him get into a special esoteric state. He says, It takes me four hours of meditation to get there, and I don't have four hours. If you can get me there in an hour, I'll pay you $100,000. Okay, this is possible today. I run a neuroscience clinic called 40 years of Zen.

In five days, people have the brainwaves of someone who spent 20 years in the cave. I've spent six months of my life with the electrodes glued to my head, meditating every day with a computer, teaching me how to not do it wrong. For me, that was faster. But I also did five years of art of living breathwork every single morning because I found it work better than just sitting and meditating, which I also did every morning. I want people to understand any of those approaches is better than not doing it. You've got to find the one that works for you. There's a list of exercises in here, including the reset process, which is one of the most important things I teach.

Can you walk us through that?

The reset process is something that I pioneered with the neuroscience practice because you can measure when it works and what you do and the whole recipe is in the book for it. But what you're doing is you're finding something that is a trigger for you. I want to be really straightforward. If you can be triggered, it means you're walking around with a loaded gun. You need to unload the gun. It's not everyone else's job to not make you shoot them. It's your job to say, I'm not carrying a weapon anymore. You find something that triggers you and you sit and you think about that feeling. It's usually something will pop in your head you were bullied. Something a parent said, Someone cut you off in traffic. It doesn't really matter. Something's going to pop in your head. You say, Okay, I'm going to run the reset process on that. You sit the person who made you angry down across from you in your mind's eye. Visually, yeah. Yeah, visually. Also in your mind's eye, you imagine some infallible deity. Some people use God or Jesus or Buddha or any of the deities that you like.

Or it could just be a light bulb that's always right. It doesn't matter. But this is your double-checking thing. Then you sit there and you actually say, You did this and it made me feel this way. Then you tap into how bad you felt and you actually turn on the bad feeling. You're like, What? You want me to actually read? I want you to feel it. Then once you're sure that you've really felt the bad feeling, you might have tears in your eyes. I mean, it might have been a big thing then. This is the key that's missing from a lot even of older literature. Before you work on letting it go, you have to find gratitude. So you find one thing. It doesn't matter how big of a gratitude is. You just need a spark of gratitude and say, Oh, here's one good thing that happened. All of a sudden, that flips a switch in your brain. Then you can step into the F-word called forgiveness.

Forgiveness? I was like, I can't say. I can't say. It depends where you're everyone's mind. I was like, Yeah.

The reason I call it the F-word is a lot of people, Well, I'm not going to forgive that person they wronged me. You don't have to tell them you forgive them. This is just you unloading the weapon. This is you no longer being triggered. Then you look at it from the other person's point of view, and you realize maybe their mom was mean to them. Maybe they didn't know. Maybe the guy who cut you off in traffic was on the way to the hospital to see his daughter being born. You just don't know. You start looking at that all of a sudden because you did gratitude first, you feel your heart open and you go, Oh, my gosh. When you're done, and sometimes it takes neuroscience or a facilitator or some coaching, but when you're done, you can look at someone who wronged you greatly and all you feel is peace and love.

And.

You can no longer be triggered. This is very important because what we normally learn to do is to say, Well, I know that every time this situation comes up, I'm going to feel triggered. I'm going to notice that I'm triggered, and then I'm going to take a deep breath, and I'm going to choose to behave like an adult. Hallelujah for doing that. We all need to do more of that. It's just biological expensive because it takes a lot of effort and time and focus. What if there was no trigger? The reset process lets you turn this off at a very deep and profound level. When you're done, you can look at your greatest enemy and you can say, I love you. I forgive you. We are won. You are done for the rest of your life with that trauma. I have done this on every single trauma that's ever happened. I've had a very successful conscious uncoupling in the last two years. I had an employee embezzle money. I've had people try to ruin my reputation, all of it. I run the reset process on it, and I'm absolutely at peace with it. To be able to get there, you run at a very big level, so do I.

The amount of stuff that comes at us, no one's ever going to know. It is an enormous thing when you're leading millions of people and making the world a better place. To be able to do that without the constant stress and the constant tension and the constant questioning in your mind, that all comes from unresolved forgiveness. The reset process in the book is how do you get there most quickly? You may say, I don't want to do that. That sounds awful. Do some EMDR. That's another way to get to a similar state. But this process is so powerful, and it leads you to amazing spiritual states where you no longer are carrying a grudge. Because smarter, not harder, the power of laziness, how expensive is it for you spiritually at a soul level to carry a grudge against someone who wronged you for the rest of your life? Life is too precious to waste it that way. This is the fastest way I've found for people to learn how to let go of something. I put it in a book. You say, Well, I thought that was about exercise or biohacking. Look, the biggest thing you can do and the hardest thing you can do is to let go of something that your body is holding onto because it thinks it's keeping you safe.

I thought it was just worthy of including in the book. That's what I mean by spiritual hacking. Find the technique that lets you fully let go of something so that you can be present with your family, with your friends, with your loved one, and then you can be present for your mission or maybe you can find your mission and your purpose.

Yeah, I think it's so well said, and I'm so glad you included it, because I think for the sake of simplicity, we talk about our body, our mind, our soul, our spirit, or whatever we call it. But the truth is that it's so interconnected in that, as you're saying, if you can't let go of an emotional disconnect or a misalignment, chances are that's going to lead to your eating habits, and then that eating habit is going to link back to a lack of that spiritual cleansing or detoxing or whatever that may be. So we're just stuck in this vicious cycle. I wanted to talk to you about that because using that spiritual hacking the other way and going, what are some of the blocks that are created physically because of the lack of letting go? What are some of the habits that you've seen develop physically in our diet, in our physical practices because of a lack of that?

I believe that every cell in your body has its own small consciousness. And even inside the cells, the mitochondria, each of them is an ancient bacteria. An ancient bacteria have a consciousness. It's a pretty slow, dumb consciousness. Actually, it's a very fast consciousness, but it doesn't have much awareness. But when you have billions, actually, for those things, almost trillions inside the body, they function as a distributed consciousness for your meat, for your hardware. They're just trying to keep the petri dish alive, and they think you're a petri dish. You realize that they're storing traumasand when you do this really deep forgiveness work, you're causing the body to relax and you're causing the body to feel safe at a cellular level. When a cell feels safe, it will expand and grow and thrive and it'll maintain itself. When a cell feels like the environment around it is hostile, whether it's because of self-hate or whether it's because of a lack of nutrients or because you're over-exercising or under-exercising, then they don't feel safe and then they don't do their job right. When your body is in that place, your energy field gets bigger and stronger. We can even measure that at the neuroscience clinic.

We measure brain voltage and people will increase their brain voltage. When that happens, suddenly that injury that you've had that won't heal, it heals. The cancer that you have can shrink just from doing meditation. Because if there's conscious or unconscious loathing around a part of your body like, Oh, you don't like your love handles, they're probably not going to go away. In fact, they'll probably get bigger, right? Because they don't feel safe. This deep loving of your body, of your tissues. I was working with a teenager recently, and she said, You know, some of my friends don't like their bodies.

Very common occurrence.

Yeah, and they think they're fat, or they think they're thin or they don't like their nose or whatever. And she said, I thought about it a lot, and I realized I really like my body because it can do all these amazing things. I was like, That is the most enlightened, cool thing I've ever heard from a teenager. Because if you have that self-love for your tissues, even if they're not working right. I say this as a guy who was 300 pounds with arthritis and a knee that I couldn't trust because it would just fold in the middle of walking and I would fall over. I was such a wreck. To be able to go through and forgive yourself, that's actually the hardest forgiveness. You can run the reset process on a part of your body that you have an issue with. You can run the reset process on your entire body and the feelings of not being enough, not being good enough, all of those things you can just let go of. You're just at peace and things are as they are, and you don't have to have an emotional reaction to everything. That allows you to have so much more energy for your spirit.

When that spiritual lacking is draining all your energy, you don't have the energy to pick the right foods and to do the workout and to put into your creative processes or creative endeavors that you have going on. And I want to dive into a couple of things, which I thought really, I'm glad you talked about this in the book because I think the challenge is, as we know with Health and Wellness, there's always a new fad, a new trend, a new thing that comes up and everyone gets behind it. And then afterwards, a few years later, we realized that there was more research to it. I think one of those big areas is around... There's two areas in the book that you cover really well that I want to dive into. One is around where we get our protein. We know protein is important. Remind us how much protein we need to get everyday, like good protein.

You need between 0.8 and 1 gram of protein per pound of body weight. I weigh 200 pounds, and I'm about 7% body fat. That means I need about 200 grams of protein.

A day.

It's 7% body fat? Yeah, it's ridiculous. As a guy who is the fat computer hacker from the first Jurassic Park, it's totally ridiculous. In order to do that, if you're obese like I was, you might say, Well, if I weigh 300 pounds and I had 100 pounds of fat, you really only need 200 grams of protein. You can subtract the extra fat from the number. But 200 grams of protein-.

It's a lot.

-and protein isn't all the same. This is something that- That's what, yeah. Yeah, the big food companies are trying to tell us, Oh, cricket protein or gluten is protein. There's a company making keto cookies that are all protein. They're just gluten and canola oil. That is not food. A while ago, the story was, Oh, all calories are the same. You can drink this high fructose corn syrup. It's just calories. As long as you keep your calories low, you can drink a diet Coke and a Snickers bar. They cancel each other out. It doesn't work like that. Protein is the same way. Different proteins send different signals to the body. There's something called amino acid availability score. It turns out that animal proteins score much higher than plant-based proteins. I say this as a former vegan, a former raw vegan, and you just cannot get enough protein from plants unless you're doing heavy industrial processing of the plants, and that comes at a cost. But even then, the highest quality plant-based protein powders don't hold a candle to dairy protein, which is vegetarian, or egg protein, which is vegetarian, or the king of proteins is beef or buffalo or bison.

As a vegan, I had a problem with this because while I was a vegan. I was in diabetic at a monastery, and diabetic Monks love to argue. They're trained since they're about eight years old, or they have an eight-year-old sitting on the ground surrounded by older kids standing up, all arguing at the same time, doing these aggressive things. It's to teach you to be calm in the face of arguments so that you can still be at peace. It's beautiful to watch.

I.

Knew this, and so I'm teasing the head Llama. I said, Well, you tell me no killing, but you have a Yak skin on your prayer pole. I think you're a hypocrite. He starts laughing. He looks at me, he goes, One death feeds everyone. I'm like, Mind blown. Because I had been a vegan until I went to Quebec, and I was like, I cannot be a vegan in Quebec because there's just very little food. If there's some Yak butter tea or there's a little bit of meat, you just eat it because there's just not enough food. I really thought about it. That led me to think about deaths per calorie. As a guy has built a regenerative farm on Vancouver Island and raised all of my own animals for most of the last eight years, I will tell you that a cow will feed you for an entire year. If it's grass-fed and from a local farmer, no other animal died unless the cow stepped on a frog. I mean, it is literally one death. If the cow was treated with respect and ethically, then you are killing fewer animals than an industrial plant protein. Because when they do those, the tractor comes through and it chops up every creature that's there, including the bunneys and the mice and the butterflies and all the ugly ones like worms that no one likes that are important for life.

I feel really clean about it. But the most important that I can say if you choose to eat animal protein, which I do, is that practice gratitude before you eat. I believe, because of my shamanic training, because of all the spiritual work that I do, that humans are energetic field as a species, made a sacred agreement with the animals that we've domesticated. They come here to nourish us in exchange for our gratitude. If you're going to eat meat, you practice gratitude because that's the deal we made. If you disrespect the animal and you're eating industrial meat and you're eating it mindlessly, I don't think that's a good practice. But I do think it's ethical to eat meat because I'm killing fewer lives when I eat beef than when I eat plant-based protein. And since that nourishes me better, which gives me stronger energy and stronger bones, and it gives me more energy to put back into the world, including building better soil via farming of animals, I feel like it's a good deal and it's within integrity for me.

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But even in some animal protein you are recommending, and we'll talk about the plant proteins as well, but some of the animal proteins you were saying are not as strong and reliable. I believe you mentioned chicken, turkey. I think there are a couple of others in the book that I saw.

Yeah. Birds are not that... They're all dinosaurs, so they're less like us. And the fat that's present in birds is similar to soyabe and oil. It's a lot of omega-6 that causes inflammation. And you would know this. If you're in India and you're not feeling well, your grandmother is going to give you white rice and gui, which is clarified butter. In the US, you get saltines and margarine or something, and it doesn't work very well. But the reason is that ghi, that saturated fat, is very nourishing for you. And that you actually need that. You don't get it from a chicken. Also, one chicken to get the amount of protein, I'd eat a chicken a day. I'm killing 365 chickens a year. That doesn't feel very good. In addition to that, real chickens, the kind that I grow on my farm, take nine months to mature, and their fat is rich and yellow and full of vitamins, even though it's not the best fat. But the chickens they're eating at the store take six weeks to get that big because they've been modified in bread to have these incredibly large breasts, and they're terribly mistreated.

So unless a chicken is pasture-raised and a heritage breed, at which point it's not affordable. They're terribly expensive to raise. Chickens exist to make eggs. Egg, if you're not allergic, are really a good source of fat and protein. And when you eat eggs, you want to cook the YTS and leave the yolk runny, and then you get the most nutrients that way.

We talked about the plant protein from a ethical standpoint, but even from a nutritional standpoint. I mean, me and my wife are both plant based, but plant protein is not a big part of our diets at all. My wife's not into eating any of the burgers or any of the meat.

It's probably a good meat.

The fake meat is not good. Yeah, explain why, because I think that's slightly the challenge for a lot of people who try and make that switch. And I feel everyone who turns to that then goes back because it's not satisfying.

-are you plant based to the exclusion of dairy?

-yes, I am. -you are? -yeah, I'm a member of WIFI. We have.

Been for years. -yeah. -and it's working for you. And by the way, if you're from India, you probably have the genes that are going to support that much better. -we have the genes, yeah. Exactly. And so if you look at what your great grandmother ate, that's going to be an indication of what you can handle. And if you look at you, your skin is really good. And that's unusual when most people go vegan because they eat a lot of industrial-processed seed oils. So if you're eating a diet that agrees with your body, and I totally support doing that, then what you want to do is you want to make sure that you're getting complete amino acids. And you can do it from rice and beans, but here's the issue. To get enough protein from-.

It's definitely hard. I'm thinking about it a lot.

It's like 300 grams of carbs to get 20 grams of protein. It's hard. So then your best bet for plant-based proteins that have the highest amino acid score, it's actually hemp protein with the fat removed because hemp oil isn't particularly good for you. So then what you end up doing is saying, Okay, I'm going to do that, and I feel good. I've also helped a lot of vegan. In fact, this is a David Wolf's vegan conference. I explain the virtues of Gee, where no animals die to make GE. Ge helps to escort the nutrients from plants into the body, so you make better use of the plants. Sometimes adding a tablespoon of GE a day gives you a healthier skin glow, and it feels more nourishing. People can choose to do that or not choose to do that. People get mad because I tease vegan. Dude, I was a vegan. It's teasing, guys. It's not a disrespectful thing. In my case, it actually harms me. Some things like spinach, kale, even raspberry and Almond are very high in oxalic acid, which I write about in the book. It causes crystals to form. 70% of kidney stones are from plant-based compounds, not from eating meat and beer.

30% are from meat and beer. You can overdo either direction. I want people to say choose the right plants when you're plant-based. I would consider, if I was plant-based, adding hemp-based protein powder, even though it is a processed food, it's going to be a processed food that has the best amino acid.

Score that you can get. Absolutely. Thank you so much. Very useful for everyone who's listening. I wanted to dive into drinking the wrong milk because I think milk's been this... Obviously, there's been the almond milk and the oatmeal and then there's been debate on either side. Walk us through milk, because I think that's, again, I'd love to hear your side of it, because, again, it's one of the... I find all of this so confusing because you hear something new come out, everyone gets behind it. It works for people. Maybe it doesn't work. Stopping dairy milk from my diet helped me with my gut. But I also don't drink a lot of oatmeal milk or almond milk. That's not really part of my diet. I don't have cereal and stuff like that, so I'm not drinking that. But then there's a lot of debate on that side of it as well. There is a lot of debate.

Dairy milk has been a part of human food for at least 5,000 years. It's a convenient way to not kill an animal and to have it continuously produce fat and protein, which are the hard things for humans to get enough of because carbs are relatively abundant in nature. What do you do? Well, normally you would just drink milk, but the milk we would drink was from a breed of cows that makes A2 milk and they ate grass. Proteins. That works well with our biology. The milk that you get now is from cows that are bred to eat grain and corn and soy. That milk has the wrong fat and it has a protein called A1 protein that's very inflammatory. A lot of people who can't drink milk, which include me, because it messes up my gut roiling. It just makes me stupid. Actually, my brain.

Swells up from it. I get a lot of mucus. I used to get more throat infections.

Me too. It's very similar. Sometimes you can handle A2 milk, but raw A2 milk is how we used to drink it. In many states, it's still illegal. Why the government thinks it has a right to tell you what you're allowed to eat? I don't know. They don't have that right. It doesn't matter if they make it illegal, they didn't have the right to make it illegal, so therefore it's not illegal in the world that I live in. Then again, if you're selling it, they might still try to arrest you, then you got to go to court. But here's the deal. Raw milk for many people is very, very healing. For some people, whey protein, especially if you're vegetarian but not vegan, it's a source. Just get grass-fed whey protein because the animals are treated better and because it's a higher-quality nutritional product. But let's assume you're not going to drink cow's milk because for a lot of people, it just doesn't work including me. I don't touch it. Butter and gee usually are acceptable, especially ghe won't trigger allergies and mucus like that for almost anyone. Well, what about the fake milk? These are all industrial products unless you make it yourself.

What they figured out with almond milk was, Oh, we can take leftover parts of almond and the ones that are broken and unsightly, and we can use those to make milk. It's just a few almond and some canola oil and some high-fructose corn syrup, some flavorings, and we blend it up. We sell it for like $8 as a health food product. It's not a health food product. Almond milk is high in phytic acid that sucks minerals out of your bones. You have to take more minerals. It's also high in oxylates, which are the things that are causing kidney stones and things that are causing gout and joint pain when you wake up. Even if you have really bad skin and you're eating a ton of these high-oxylate foods like almond milk and kale smoothies and all, this can be why because it's making tiny, razor sharp calcium oxylate crystals in your skin that are coming out. I don't recommend almond milk. Also, if you're a vegan for animals, the number of bees, about a third of all bees die pollinating almond every year. It is not a particularly clean product. Then we'd say, well, oatmeal milk, okay?

That is the biggest scam on the planet right now. It raises your blood sugar as much as a Coke. It is not a health food, and it usually has glyphosate, and it's high in phytic acid that sucks minerals out of your body. I know you might not like hearing this, but do the math. There's a tablespoon of oats blended into a bunch of water, and you spent six bucks on that? Are you dumb? It's not a good move. What should you drink? There's two kinds of milk that are okay. One of them is macadamia milk, which is really expensive, and you have to make it yourself because macadamias have the right kinds of oil in them. But the other one that's abundant and healthy is coconut milk. So if you're going to do it, use.

Coconut milk. -that's the worst tasting one. -i know, right? -yeah.

It is the worst tasting one. Here's the problem, though. If you say, Okay, I don't like the taste of coconut milk, and I'm with you on that.

-i don't drink any milk, but yes.

Yeah, that's really the key. You don't need to drink a plant milk. It's a made-up product that you don't have a need for. But if you say, I'm going to do one of these other things, you're spending a lot of money, you're getting anti-nutrients, you're getting mostly water, and you're usually getting a toxic burden. Why am I doing this again? The thing that milk has that's most important is it has protein. The second most important is it has good fats. When you have a replacement milk, even coconut milk, there is no protein. The coconut yogurt you like, it doesn't work because it doesn't have protein. You have to take out and add whey protein or add scoops of maybe hemp protein if you're plant-based. But you've got to add a whole bunch of protein to it because normal yogurt has that. Most people tolerate grass-fed yogurt pretty well. I still don't. I can't touch cow's milk unless it's gee for the most part, or I can do some butter. But if I was to have two tablespoons of regular milk, it messes me up. My gut's wrong. It's just not right. So that's an immune response.

I just want to tell you, you're not getting protein in your plant milk, and you're getting stuff you don't want in your plant milk. Just don't do it.

You've mentioned canola oil a few times as well, and I feel like oils has been... Obviously in the biohacking world, it's been known for a while, but I think it's finally coming into the forefront of checking the back of something and going, Oh, my gosh. Well, this has canola oil, palm oil, the millions of different oils. Walk us through that, because I think that's still, for the majority of people, like an under-understood area. We're just not aware. Unaware is probably the right word.

Yeah, we're unaware. We've been taught first calories or what matter. It turns out, well, calories do entirely different things. We've tossed that out. For most people have understood that's different. Then we say, okay, well, it's how much fat are you eating? But who would imagine that different fats do different things in the body? Oh, my gosh, you mean the fat matters? Oh, and different proteins. Even saying fat, carbs, and protein, it doesn't mean anything unless you know what it is. We zoom in on fat. Well, it turns out omega-6 fats, which is canola, corn, soyabe, saffla, even grapeseed oil, those are fats that when they enter the body, they slow your metabolism and they cause inflammation because they're unstable fats. They're called polyunsaturated fats. When you eat saturated fats, things like coconut oil or butter or gee, or most animal fats from sheep or something or from cows, but not from chickens, then you end up saying, Oh, the saturated fats, they can't oxidize because they're stable. So you eat those and they stimulate your metabolism and they allow your body to make testosterone and to make other hormones that your body needs, and to make stable cell membranes.

We understand the biochemistry of this, but the food companies are saying, Well, it's cheaper to do canola oil, so let's fry our French fries in those. Canola oil and its cousins there, they're a major cause of diabetes and cancer, which are skyrocketing because they're unstable, especially when they're heated a lot.

They're pretty much in every packaged.

Good, right? They are. But change is coming. Before about the 1970s, all French fries are made with beef tallow because it's a very stable oil. That's fat from cows. In McDonald's, that's what they use. Then they switched to the seed oils, and then all the diseases went through the roof. We have a problem. Food needs to be affordable for everyone. One of the companies that I've invested in and that I'm backing, that I'm most excited about is called Zero Acre Farms. I don't work for them. I did put a small amount of money in them, but it's because of the mission. They found a way to use fermentation to make an oil that is monounsaturated, like olive oil that is stable for frying at 25 % the cost of canola oil for a restaurant. They're scaling up to get to that price point. But what is called zero acre because it'll remove millions of acres of corn and soy from being grown to squeeze oil out of them. They can take sugarcane, just the entire sugarcane, not sugar, and they can ferment it and make a healthy, edible oil for humans. This is going to change the world's metabolism.

It's a huge thing. In the meantime, you can go to a place that has duck fat fries or towel fries, which you wouldn't eat, or you don't eat fries. Don't eat fried food at restaurants is a great rule to live longer, and don't eat the salad dressing either. Tell them I want real olive oil that's not cut with canola oil, and I want vinegar or lemon juice. You do that, just those two things, nothing fried and do that. And all of a sudden you find you lose weight, your brain is focused, your body makes more hormones.

It's that big of a deal. I'm so glad you raised that because it's such a tiny simple change but it could save you from so many different things. I switched probably, might have been a year now, but I traveled a lot this year on tour, and that was hard because my diet on tour was not as easy to maintain because I was in different cities every day. And I didn't have a chef who was traveling with me or anything like that. And when I'm back here, I've been eating like a whole foods diet, only eating plants, not eating anything out of packages. Oh, yeah. Not eating pretty much no packaged food whatsoever, maybe now and again. And like that in and of itself has transformed. I used to love a bag of chips. Even if they were the healthiest chips that I could possibly find, I love a bag of chips. I love a little bit of crackers, biscuits, whatever, any of this stuff, knacknacks, and just taking out packaged foods has had a massive impact on how I feel.

It's life-changing to do that. I missed an oil that should get a shout-out. It's palm oil. Palm oil is saturated, and I would much rather eat something cooked in palm oil than canola oil. The issue with palm oil is mostly environmental, so there's deforestation and orangutans and things like that. But if you are at the store and you want to buy some chips or crisps or.

Whatever you call them-Yeah, crisps is what I would have called it. I've adapted bag of chips. We'd call it a bag of crisps back in London.

You want to eat those? Look for something that's cooked in coconut oil or palm oil. When you do that, you're going to be much healthier and they're going to taste better, and they're going to be more satisfying. Because when you eat those bad oils, the omega-6 oils, they make you hungry really quickly because your body says, I got to deal with all this inflammation. Have some sugar. So all of a sudden you ate a chip that felt good. And I don't generally eat stuff like that. Maybe at a barbecue or something. I'll bring a bag of those. Because I'd.

Rather my friends eat them. I'm not perfect. Dave, I want to thank you for doing all this research because as I've got older, and I'm 36 now, and as I get older every single year, my health goes up and up and up on the priority list. I think for me, it's been so challenging because I grew up, I would say, with no health education. Right. I'm benefited by having a wife who's very disciplined and focused and understands more. I'm grateful to have my podcast where I get to sit down with incredible people like you, and I get introduced to books like you, or that I have over the years on longevity and now smarter, not harder. To me, I'm just like, I want to get this right to make getting older easier. To make getting older better.

Your goals... Your goals suck.

Oh, sorry. That's a.

Bad goal. I want to make getting older easier. No, you don't have to make it. How about I want to stop getting old. That sounds great. I want to stay how I am now or better every single year. I want to be better.

I want to be better. Let's do.

That one. There you go. Is that a different vision? -yeah, definitely. -it feels different. Definitely. We have it so built in that we're going to get old. We are living in a world today where you can measure as 20 years younger than your calendar age.

I want that. I want that.

You don't have to get old, right? You might age, but the getting old thing, that's.

What we did in the 70s. Yeah, it made me happy. I've been playing a lot of pickleball, and that's been my form of exercise that I love, and I enjoy. It's start and stop. It's fast. It's competitive. I love every part of it. I just got beat by a 70-year-old a couple of weeks ago, and I loved it because I was like, I want to be like you. It's so inspiring. It's so inspiring.

It's.

Double my image.

You destroyed me. One person can do that. That brings up something that's actually really important. Yeah, please. It's learning from our elders. The reason I can do all this biohacking is I was so desperate for my health in my 20s. I started running an anti-aging, longevity, nonprofit group near Stanford University. I was learning how to maintain my health from people in their 80s who could run circles around me. I'm like, That's possible. I saw it, and I saw it in the 90s. If they could do it back then, we can do so much better now.

Thank you for calling me out on that. That's good. I like it. You're welcome. You're allowed to. Yeah, I like that.

That's awesome. I learned from my elders. You learned from the guy on the basketball court. You can be that guy when you're 70. What's really going to happen when you're 70 is you can be that guy, but look and feel like you do now. We're building this world for all of us. It's really important because the birth rate in all developed nations is so low right now, we're not replacing our population, which means it's our job to be strong and young forever.

Well said. Well said. The book is called Smarter, Not Harder by Dave Asprey, the Biohackers guide to getting the body and mind you want. I highly recommend that you grab a copy of this book. We have just skimmed over some of the things that I found interesting, some of the things that I felt were front of mind for me. I know a lot of you've been asking questions about these things. I see tons of videos on TikTok sharing all sorts of advice. I felt it was great to dive into it with Dave. Please go and grab a copy, go and read it with your friends, figure out that one thing that you're going to focus on. Remember, you don't need to try and do all of this. Pick that one area that you want to solve, master it, move on to the next. I promise you that as much as it sounds hard and complicated and difficult, once you start seeing a win in one area, it's going to have that domino effect. So go and grab it. Dave, thank you so much for always coming on and being such a... You are an elder truly, but you don't look like one.

You don't feel like one, which is amazing. And I'm very grateful that I get to have these conversations with you because I always come away more inspired and uplifted and my goals get bigger and bolder and better. So I'm glad that you're not letting me settle. So thank you for not letting me settle. I appreciate it. You're so welcome. I mean it.

I appreciate your work so much. You are inspiring millions of people to be better. And I see it every day online, and you're just doing such amazing work.

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