On today's show, we talk to an awesome dad who wants to have some hard conversations with his sons about their mom who recently passed away. We're going to talk to an awesome, awesome young mom who is struggling with loving her body after miscarriages. And we're going to talk to a young man who loves his sister, but they're estranged and she wants him to donate a kidney. Stay tuned.

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I want to talk to you real quick. No one I've been getting some emails about, but hold on. Before you do that, there's like a studio audience, man. Look at everybody. It's so great to see good folks, some of our better looking than others. Right. But everybody, so glad to see you guys.

So I'm getting emails about not being able to tell when I'm being sarcastic and when I'm not. And there was this awesome moment when I had a boss that that I worked for and we were going to this really fancy dinner. And she always wanted me to sit next to her. And my wife was coming to this one. So she was my wife sitting the other side of us. And I said something during the dinner and my boss looked at me and she said, I do not know when you are being serious.

Are you being sarcastic? I can't tell the difference. So from this point forward, you will declare this is a joke or this is serious period. And my wife leans over and goes, oh, my, thank God. Finally. So listen, if you think in your head it's the hatchet rule, if you like.

I used to tell parents this at colleges, a kid would call home and be like, hey, mom, guess what? My R.A. was chasing me down the hall with a hatchet saying he was going to murder me.

And the parent would think to their self, there's no way that happened. But then they would call me and they would send me really mean cards and letters talking about I can't believe that I'm sending my kid to your college where they chased people down with hatchets.

And then I would call the parent and I would say, seriously, do you really believe that that happened? And they would go, probably not.

And I would say, God Almighty, no, no one is trying to kill your kid with a hatchet here. We want your money over and over and over again. And so it's the hatchet man. If I say something on the show and you think I wasn't serious about that, then I probably wasn't serious about that. And if I have an emphatic point to make so much that, like, comes out of my mouth just like just happened, then I will make an emphatic point.

But I try not to be sarcastic, but it just happens sometimes. I just think life's a lot of fun. Let's have a good time together. Here's the second thing. I'm going to be a part of a live event with my good friend Rachel Cruz. She works here with me. She is very, very fancy, has a best selling book that just came out. Here's the deal. We are doing an event together on Wednesday, January 20th, and.

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And I was going to say one more thing. We well, let's just go straight to the calls. Let's get to Tom in Dallas. Brother Tom, what's going on, man? How can I help?

Well, thanks, John. I love what you do for Ramsey. And just being a listener ever since you got on. I love what you're doing.

Thank you, man. I appreciate you. Good man. So how can I help you today?

So my late wife had some compulsive behaviors, and I'm concerned that my son, who are twenty four, eighteen and fourteen, may have unknowingly picked them up by watching or living in the house with these behaviors. No more cost costing taught me. I do I share with them and try to warn them about these behaviors without hurting the memory of their late mom.

Man Tom. That's a great question. When she when did she passed away.

About two years ago. Two years ago. How are you, man? I'm good, I'm good, I'm a Christian and I've got a great church family around me and I've got great brothers and sisters and my family's been supportive and my boss at work and everybody's been super supportive. It's. Wow, it's a horrible thing to go through. I can't imagine it being any better on this side.

Well, I'm grateful that it's that you've had that sort of community and care around you through this time. That's awesome, man. So what? Talk to me about the compulsive behaviors. What do you mean by that? That can mean a whole different whole arc of of different things. What do you mean? So when we are spending money freely after our first son was born, she battled postpartum and finally got on. We were in a bad economic situation.

That was my fault, not hers. We got more stable, moved to a different area. She found the doctor, got on medication, did a little counseling through the years.

But not anything real consistent about 11 years before she died, she fell on a concrete floor and blew her back out when she at that point, she started having to take heavy pain meds for that, OK? She had she had basically 11 different surgeries, most of which were unrelated to the bat over her last 10 or 12 years of her life.

So what behaviors are your kids or your sons like? What are they exhibiting that makes you concerned that they pick some stuff up, or are you trying to be proactive? I'm trying to be mainly proactive.

I mean, my oldest son, he's he's married. He's moved out, but he's you know, we didn't drink. And that that was just the way it was that we told him, you do what you want when you're an adult in our house. That's that's a rule. And they all knew it. And I'm concerned that maybe he thinks he didn't see any way. She never drank. But since he didn't have that fence. OK, this is as far as you go with this and don't go over it.

He may not know where that fence is for him, OK? And he goes go and go and go. And then the 18 year old and 14 year old are coming up.

And I just it's you know, you're a single parent, so try to do everything that you possibly can and you feel like you screwed up everything. Right. So this is one thing left. I think maybe I can I can help him with before they get out on their own.

So to ease any sort of anxiety you have, there's a hundred percent chance you've screwed things up. And that's OK. Thanks, John. OK, good, good, so we all have man, and we are just contributing to the future councillor's of America, right?

So the fact that you're asking this question as you were trying to look down the road and almost reverse engineer some challenges your kids may encounter, some things they may have seen in your house, tells me you're a great dad and you're a compassionate guy. And these three boys are lucky to have you. OK, just the fact that that question is in your head.

So many people who experienced the loss of a loved one of a spouse in particular just begin to lose for years and years on me, me, me, my love, my next step, my financial situation and so on and so forth. So the fact that you are concerned about them is is noble. Here's the deal, man.

None of us are perfect, and every single person, myself included, have skeletons in our closet, have things that I would love to have done. So I would love to have a chance to do over with my kids and and vice versa. And there are things that my wife does. I think, man, I would not have handled it like that. And I can say that because she doesn't listen to this podcast ever and vice versa. And I know there's things because she's called me out on it appropriately so that she says, hey, let's don't do it that way.

Let's why don't you talk to him like this or another way. Right.

So telling the truth and talking about your wife in a compassionate, informative and memorial way to your kids that is informative to them, that is telling them, hey, here's some some things you're going to navigate along the way. Man, that's good stuff. That's family history. Stuff that is rich.

It's when you start telling them things to prop up, to make excuses for why you did what you did to to name throw to diminish her.

That's when it becomes a problem. Talking about her challenges that she had, I think is great. What you mentioned something that I think would be a great place to start.

It would be a time with Dad, with each one of your sons individually and just letting them talk to you, talk about their experience with mom.

What do they remember? What do they remember about their childhood?

And then make it perfectly clear that they are always, always, always welcome to ask you questions, no matter how hard, no matter how invasive, no matter how vulnerable. And you may want to bring a couple of things to the table to commit to to them and let them know, hey, here's a couple of things I wish I could have done done differently. Hey, we didn't ever have alcohol in the house.

And just so you know, Sevan's too much, right? Just nine beers is a lot. Seventeen beers. You're going to want to dial it back if you write whatever you feel like you need to talk to them about. Lead with vulnerability there. Give them a chance to ask questions. And here's what you want to do. Your fourteen year old isn't going to be able to verbalize all of the stuff that you're thinking about right now. And if you started if he starts exhibiting behaviors and you say, well, your mom, he's not able to absorb that, what you want to do is to create such a safe and welcoming and vulnerable relationship with him that when he does start to ask questions, he comes to you first.

And again, I keep saying the same thing.

Only where dad does that is by going first.

You're older, two sons, and they don't have a hard conversation with them or a beautiful, engaged conversation with him. I don't think it has to be hard.

Was there any sort of abuse that that was back there? Is there something lingering that's big that you need to feel like you need to address? No, no, she was she was as good a mom as she she could be, I mean, anybody with chronic pain and chronic depression, I mean, she she was she was great. She she did. She was there for the boys as much as humanly possible, probably more than a lot of women would have been in her situation.

But no, it just the whole.

Had you ever had that conversation with them, Tom?

No, I have not I think that is just each one of them by themselves. I'm just thinking about this now and I could get choked up pretty quick thinking of my dad taking me out and just saying, hey, I just need to have a conversation with you. Just mano a mano.

Mom hurt a long time, and I need you to know how much she loved you. Yeah, and we have had man, you will that's a gift they will carry with them for the rest of their life. So again, going back to lead with vulnerability, Tom, you go first in anything you talk about that's going to give them tools and insights, that's going to make their life easier, make their journey easier, and give them some insight as to why they're doing what they're doing.

That court is taught is not deterministic. It is not inevitable. Right. Just because kids see a thing doesn't mean it's going to become a thing and that they're going to live with it forever. But it is good information for folks to know.

Right.

But you go first. You're a good dad. Tom, I'm glad to have gotten to talk to you today. And I'm glad we got to start our show off with a Texas caller. That's awesome. All right. Let's go to Vivian in Bloomington, Illinois. Vivian, what's going on? How can I help? Hello, Dr. Delaney, thank you so much for taking my call. I'm just honored to be speaking with you. Do the honor is all mine, Vivian, so how can I help?

My question is, how do I stop negative and hateful feelings I have towards my body after multiple miscarriages and infertility struggles.

Stuff. Vivian. Wow, thank you for your trust there.

So walk us back through your journey so far.

So I grew up in a really big family and my parents had 10 kids together, so I had nine siblings. And my mom was just an absolute rock star. She had all of us at home. You're a painkiller. She would literally, like, sing if she gave birth. She was just incredible. And you say she was singing? Yes.

You know, because why not, man? We're just going to take this and pile up on poor Vivian, right arm Carly, OK?

She was she was amazing. And she would talk about, you know, the amazing design of a woman's body. And I always just had a profound respect for my own body. And so kind of fast forwarding, my husband and I got married and got pregnant right away. We have a beautiful four year old. And I think unknowingly it just kind of confirmed because I have a lot of sisters who have a lot of kids, kind of not usually, but just gotten pregnant quickly.

And it just kind of confirmed to me that this will be a breeze. And, um. And so then a while later, when we were ready to try for a second, I noticed it was taking a long time and I thought that was weird. And then when I did get pregnant, I miscarried, which the first one was just very jarring. I think I was just shocked that that happened to me. And then we tried again after many, many months, and I became pregnant again and we thought everything was fine that time.

And I miscarried almost at the end of that first trimester. So I just I just struggled so much to I feel like as much of a profound respect that I used to have for my body. I have an equally profound disrespect and frustration. And yeah. So I'm just not sure how to.

How did you then again, at any point you say, hey, I'm done talking about that part, just cut me off.

OK, I want you to know your control the conversation here. How did you grieve those miscarriages? How did you and your husband do that together? It's interesting because I think I think I've grieved the loss of, like, knowing that I'll never know who they were, you know, what they would be like, their hair color all cried and cried and and just kind of came to a place of acceptance with that. And I think what I haven't I think you said it or somebody said that grief is not just crying a lot, it's ownership.

And I think I have not owned that. I struggle with fertility. Like one of my close friends said something to me the other day, like, you know, how are you dealing with your infertility struggles? And my internal reaction was like, I don't have infertility struggles for years.

How about you go drown yourself, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Wonderful. And she's very well-meaning and hasn't been through it, but. Sure, but yeah. So I think I have not grieved that. And I think sometimes, you know, my husband is wonderful and very emotionally available, but I think I just always worry that I'm bothering him. And so I kind of will just go off and deal with it myself sometimes when I think he wants to be there for me.

So I'm going to answer the best I can. OK, having had a ringside seat to this, but not a driver side seat.

OK, and. I've talked about some of our my family's challenges publicly and some of that stuff I'll keep private and I'll go to the grave with it and other stuff, I think it can be helpful to talk about.

And also, I'm going to answer your question, Vivian, to a wide audience.

OK, so I'll speak to you directly, but also speak a broader conversation.

And let's start with you and your husband's conversation. So when we experience this in my house with the lion's share of the the pain resting in my wife and her heart, I was working crisis for the city. And so when things went down in the city, I was on a team that got called out to go help other people in their worst moments. I was also the dean of students at university, and I helped students in their worst moments. And I was working on a second Ph.D. in counseling and a partridge in a pear tree.

Long story short, if it was going down, chances are they were going to call Dulaney to come in and help. And then we had a series of challenges like this in my own home.

And I handled it terribly.

I had a lot of information, had a lot of, you know, you should be Doohan's. And I missed it completely and I'll never forget go into a counseling conference. And I walked into the room and one of the sessions was counseling women who've had miscarriages, infertility challenges and is shameful as this is. I'm saying it out loud. The thought in my head is, was, oh, I know how to do that because I've you know, I've experienced that.

I know how to do that. And then shame on top of shame on top of shame. This is like an embarrassing moment for me, like a heartbreaking moment for me that I was just arrogant. But I actually thought I could probably help in the presentation. So I'll be one of those people in the audience that helps out the presenter. And during the presentation, the presenter proceeded to say, hey, we know we all know this. And she said it so flippantly, I'll never forget it.

There's like seven things you never, ever say to a woman who's experienced this. And by the time she got to five and six and seven, Vivie, not only had I said all seven of those things, but I had expounded on them. I had was was like running my mouth about him in our house with this with this sense of arrogance. And it was one of those humbling, humiliating, shameful moments in my life because I was just wrong.

There was one person on planet Earth that I swore to be there for, and it was my wife. And I wasn't because I was so arrogant and I was just trying to get information.

And I wasn't with and it was when we had some hard conversations that that where she really felt free to open up, that I realized, oh, my God Almighty, I missed it a lot.

And so what I would challenge you before you do anything else is to find some safe time with your husband and let them know what's going on in your heart.

It will create a division and a break in your relationship that will take years to repair. And so honor him with that and challenge him with that, but start connecting with him there.

OK, and so then here's the backout, right? I've heard it again since that moment. It was a humbling moment. You've probably heard me say a million times on this show and I'll keep saying it, telling guys to shut their stupid mouths and to connect with people and don't over analyze and don't over inform people. A lot of that starts from that moment with me. Right. So I've heard these things throughout time. I've heard I've been having periods since I was 12.

And when it's go time now, you decide to not work. I've heard that. I've heard throughout history women's women have been recognized. And this is thousands of years. Right. As basically a tool for other people, for men to carry on legacy, for men to have their babies grow, to be fed and on and on. Is this this idea that women are always apologizing for how their body looks, how it works? Is it working well and not working well?

And it's exhausting.

I've heard women describe how the pain and trying to explain to grandparents and in-laws and their own parents and their husbands. I want to give you grandkids. I'm sorry that we can't do this. We had this plan and it's not working out. I had one buddy of mine tell me about just walking down that hallway and looking in that empty room that there was plans for that empty room.

And I've heard heavy, heavy things, the most profound view that has stuck with me that I'll pass along to you, Vivian, is this idea of being betrayed by my own body. And it sounds like you're you're familiar with that one. Does that ring true with you?

Yes, very much so. Like you, man, you were raised with an awesome.

Well, your mom's not fair. No one that's like your dad being Michael Jordan and you're going out for the high school team.

Right.

But you know, this idea that the way it was framed, the way it was told to me and I loved it was it's like you're. And cheated on you and you don't get the chance to leave and there is nothing you you don't get to talk about working it out, and he didn't get to change his behavior because it just is. So you have this betrayal and it rests inside of you. And there's not a lot you can do about it except go going to the next day and the next day and the next day.

Is that sound right?

Yes. So give us an example of when when you have a dark morning, a dark evening. What's the self talk there? Like, if I ask for because I do a lot, my husband works a lot more than I do, I work from home and part time, so I take care of a lot of the household stuff as I feel it should be. And if I ask for anything like any kind of help with our daughter, sometimes I'll step in and do it myself because I'll be like, you know, thinking about my sister that has five kids and like, how pathetic that I would need help with our one.

There's just things like that. Like I'm not allowed to be tired of this. She's four. So lots of questions. And sometimes I'm like, I'm just tired. And I'll be like, wow, how are you tired? You have one child that's pathetic, you know?

And just just anything. Yeah, just that kind of thing.

So if you do if you get nothing else out of this call, will you promise me that you'll start talking to my friend Vivian? Kinder. Yes, OK, I want you to talk to Vivian like the rock star mom that she is, and you've got a beautiful four year old and you have an awesome husband and you've got a an extraordinary gift for empathy and for feeling and for connecting with other people now. And that starts with you connecting and being empathetic with yourself.

OK, is that a promise? Yes. Awesome. All right. So here's the hard part.

You're going to have to go through a process of forgiveness. A friend of mine, she went as far as to name her uterus. And, of course, she named it after man because why not? But she literally went through a process of forgiveness, named it and got a group of people around her that she could talk with, but had to go through the process of forgiving her own body.

And that sounds weird and that sounds awkward, whether that's writing it a letter, whether that is or writing for yourself, your body, a letter.

But the idea of not forgiving this is you are poisoning yourself from the inside out and you are wearing this chemical response.

You're wearing this frustrating frustration response, and it just gets heavy.

And eventually you your body goes to war with you. Right.

And so you've got to be about forgiving your body for not living up to what you think it should have to the expectations you put on it to the quote unquote, beautiful machinery that you were given. Right.

And then the second thing is this is hard, but there's always going to be an ache there. And it's as time goes on, as you grieve it, you're going to make peace with that ache and then you're going to learn and give in to celebrating others. Right. It's hard when your sorority sister texts everybody and says, guess what? Guess what right are they? Send that cute little Instagram thing. That still sucks, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah.

It's it's some as you're going to have to lean in to those moments and practice gratitude and practice celebrating other people's hard and ugly as that will be.

And then I really want you to explore the story of motherhood in your heart and in your home and with your husband and you've traced it.

You've done an awesome job of tracing all the way back to the example that your extraordinary mom set and the way she talked about how beautiful your body was and this extraordinary appreciation for how your body works.

You're going have to get beneath that and ask yourself questions about do you want to be a mom? Do you and have five kids running around? Does that mean you're going to go through the adoption process? Does that mean you were going to you really just want to be a mom? If your biological kids are going to be a mom and the best aunt that's ever been, you're going to fast you need to have those type of conversations as you begin to make meaning of, well, then what is going to be next?

And those are not things you need to do by yourself, OK? You've got to have a community around you. Please, please, please, please involve your husband in those conversations. And then the last hard, hard part of this is you have to decide if you're going to be vulnerable again.

And nobody in the entire world can make that decision except for you. And are you going to exhale and then go again? Are you going to say I'm done with the hurt and we are blessed with the child that we've got, and then we're going to start exploring what family means for us down the road? I'm confident you've already had those thoughts where you lean in on the vulnerability. Do you mean, like, as far as trying again, like talking with my husband?

I do think we we want to in the future. I think some of this is probably coming up, too, because we we're not trying currently because we have a move possibly coming up. And I just feel like my daughter is getting older and there's not a sibling. And so that's been kind of sad. But I do think we do want to try in the future, but just maybe not right now.

Awesome. And. You're telling yourself a lot of stories about how your kids are feeling and how your daughter's absorbing this and how your husband's going to respond. Don't get in ahead of other people and begin trying to solve problems for them that they haven't communicated to you. OK, you've got enough to carry and it's hard and you're your heart and soul is so good that you are to care for everybody around you. And in the process, you're going to end up drowning yourself.

You're going to end up bringing carrying so much weight that it brings you down.

And those stories that you're telling about your daughter and you're going to be awesome, whether she has a biological sibling, 10 biological siblings, or if it's just the three of you all and you'll ride or die together. She's got an awesome mom and a great dad.

She's going to be a great cause and you're going to be a great aunt, all of those things work together, but it starts with you having a moment or a season of forgiveness for the body that's betrayed you. And then it begins a reframing for what's this body going to going to how is his body going to support moving forward and then what's family going to look like in our home?

And it sucks. I hate that this is happening to you. And I know that there are millions and millions of women in the country who are experiencing and all over the world experiencing exactly what you're going through. And there's millions of husbands sitting next to wives just like this going, oh, I'm hurting, too. And I don't know how to hurt. I don't know what to say. I don't know how to say it. And so start there with your husband, have that conversation, and then you can lean into the forgiveness process and let me know how those conversations go and we will be thinking about you.

All right, let's ride one more. Let's go to Adrian and Anchorage, Alaska. Adrian, what's going on?

How's it going? Dr. Dean? Thanks for taking my call. All right, brother.

Thanks for calling, man. So is it I'm going to take a wild guess. Cold?

No, it's warm today. Thirty five degrees.

Listen, man, if it was 35 in Nashville, the city would shut down. Everyone just quits. It's warm today. It's August. Maybe it's 35.

All right, man, that sounds awful to me. Go ahead, Adrian, what's going on? Can I help?

Well, I have I have a sister who was diagnosed with diabetes when she was two years old and now she's 31, has two kids, is in kidney failure and.

She is where the same blood type and basically I am I'm just I go back and forth on whether or not I want to go through with the process of trying to give her one of my kidneys.

Oh, man. OK, so you've been confirmed that you can be a donor. So walk me through your thought process. Well, you know, at a young age, my family was told she was told that she she couldn't have kids, she shouldn't have kids, it would significantly impact the just her life expectancy and it could be problematic for the children as well. And two kids later. I mean, that's exactly where we are. She she just I just struggled with it because she's somebody who hasn't really taken care of herself the best that she could.

And my concerns are, you know, if I if I do this, is it is it something that she's going to be willing to do for the rest of her life? It is actually take care of herself and and do the things that's going to be necessary for the rest of her life in order to to maximize what's going on as long as, you know, the impacts that it has on my life. I married myself and we're working on having kids and, you know, having just the whole dynamic of everything.

It just makes me go back and forth. And on top of that, I'm just I'm getting you know, I'm getting pressure from my mother, of course, and hey, so so listen, brother, don't.

Don't don't punish your sister, don't use your sister's behavior to weigh in on your decision here, and I know that might sound counterintuitive. But, man, getting getting diagnosed as a young kid with a with a challenging medical condition that you're going to manage and deal with that level of trauma and the concern and stress that everyone has around you, it's not an excuse, but it's a context for a tough life for a little kid. What I don't want you to get into a A either or like I'll give it to you, but you're going to have to, man.

You are going to make yourself insane. You're going to sever that relationship, whatever is left of it, and you're going to go nuts. This is a decision for you, not for her. And I know that sounds crazy to sound because she lives if you give her a kidney. Right. But it sounds like in your head, if I'm reading the tea leaves here, you almost can't not you're that kind of guy, is that right?

Correct. There you go. And so it's almost not whether it can't be about whether she's worth it. She's your sister. Of course she's worth it. Right. And you can come up with all sorts of reasons why you don't want to. Why it's scary, why it's frustrating. Why it's terrifying. All those things, man. And they're all real. But the question is like, if you can step up and help right now, are you going to or you're not going to?

Yes, that's what I'm asking. Are you going to do it or you're not going to? Because I think you already know the answer, Ro. Yeah, I mean, I feel like I don't have a choice. So, yes, I guess what will you do me a favor, though?

I think you're right. I think you don't have a choice, but I think the temptation is going to be to blame that lack of choice on your sister. It's going to be to blame that on your mom. And I want you to take ownership of it, because that's the caliber of person that you are. Similar to if I was walking home tonight and there's a little kid playing in the road and a car's coming, I can't not move that kid out of the way.

I can blame the driver. I can blame the kid. But the reality is you should blame my dad because he raised me to take care of the little children in my neighborhood. He raised me to step into hard situations. And that's where you found yourself. And so when it comes to having kids, man. I think the way to think about it is do you want to be the dad of kids? And they know. Oh, yeah, the inserts, the ends of the earth, my dad will go for you.

He gave his kidneys to a sister. He literally gave a body part to somebody that he didn't have a great relationship with. That's the kind of man my dad is. Versus is it going to impact some stuff, I'm sure it will. I don't I don't know enough about organ donation and the aftermath, but I'm confident it will impact things here and there. But it sounds like you're the caliber of guy that's going to step up and do this and tell me if I'm wrong, man, if you're not, then, man, you've heard me say a million times on the show, tell your parents, no, forget you guys.

You don't get to vote. You're out, sister. You don't get a vote. I'm taking my other kidney. I'm going home. You're free to do that, aren't your body. But here, that character hesitation in your heart, because I think you know what you're going to do. Am I right? Sure. Yes. So what's your hesitancy? Just I mean, unfortunately, it's financial, you know, I it's it requires. The money that's going to take me to a different state, I'll be out of work, you know, I just in the past year, you know, just with the craziness, I've been laid off twice.

We're just now getting into a position where we're starting to climb out of a big hole with that. And it's just I mean, as much as I don't want to admit, you know, money is part of my decision because I you know, I have a wife that's relying on me. I like I have responsibilities. And it's it's all being taken into consideration, hey, hey, it should be OK. It absolutely should be taken into consideration and don't feel bad about putting the nuts and bolts on this thing.

It's called to be all courageous. And yeah, here I come to save the day. But, man, you're exactly right. There's a financial toll to pay. You're going to be out of work. You may have just picked up a third job. You're in a tough, tough economy and Anchorage right now.

Right. And that's when you may have to swallow some pride and get on the phone and call some folks to help you out, and that may be asking your mom and dad to help out or if you've got other brothers and sisters to help out. And there may be nobody there, man. There may be nobody to answer that call and. I don't want to make it sound like it's going to be easy. I'm trying to put myself in your situation right now.

I have an older sister, too, and if she holler at me said any kidney, I would be I would know I was going to do it. You and I would be scared to death. I'd be scared if that didn't work. I'd be scared that I only got one left. I'd be scared that I've got two little kids I don't want to make sure I can run around with. And I want you to know it's OK to be scared to death that you're going to undergo a pretty serious surgery to remove part of your body.

Right.

Is not a minor thing. And you're going to do it out of character. Are you going to do it out of the deepest love there is for other people? Have you talked to your sister? How does that conversation go? We haven't spoken in years. So let's start there. Well, you start there, Adrian, we call your sister today and just tell her, hey, I love you, I love you, and I heard you hurting and tell me what's going on.

Yeah, because I think that's the place to start. Is connect your heart back to your sisters and she may tell you. Screw you, Adrian. I want your stupid body part and maybe you're all the way off the hook. Probably not. But I want you to go first. Having characters hard, man, doing the right thing is so hard and. Mia Love comes with so much risk and so much pain and so much what if what if man and then here we are.

And then you have sister you've talked to in years. I have a feeling, man, if someone that you worked with, you'd be that guy that stepped up and if it was your brother in law, you'd step up. And if it was somebody at your church, you'd step up. I just think you're that guy, man. And if you're not hear me say to your body, you feel free to do what you want to do. But I don't want you to backtrack and say, well, I'm not going to, because in the past she fill in the blank or my mom is really making me now, man.

The heat of this decision rests in your heart and in your character do this because you got to do this because it's the right thing to do, do it because it's hard, hard, and you're that kind of guy.

Do it because when you have two or three or four knuckleheads, little kids running around. Your sister is going to be back in your life and she's going to tell them, you know, what your daddy did for me, and that's the kind of man he is, man. That's that's that's a story you tell your kids, right? That leads me to this. I've got you've heard me talk a lot about this and usually I talk about it again, making jokes about it, about, hey, it's hard to have hard conversations and it's hard to make wills.

It's hard because everyone is faced with hard conversations and everybody passes away.

And I was thinking over the weekend, I got to stop making jokes about that. Sometimes it's hard, right? I come from a family. We talk about death all the time in passing. That's not normal. Probably not even healthy, but life is full of hard conversations and these really harsh realities. And if we're loving our family, we're going to talk about hard things like, hey, man, I would love to help out here. We haven't talked in years.

We've been estranged from one another. You don't take care of yourself. Help me. Help you. Right. That's a hard conversation. Hey, Mom, I know you love your daughter and I love her, too, and I'm working on it, but how about you back off a little bit. Hey, honey, I love you. And we have three little kids, but one day we're going to pass away and we've got to have a will.

We've got to do this stuff because it's going to happen this all under this umbrella of how to have hard conversations. If you will text legacy to three three seven eight nine, that's legacy to three three seven eight nine, we're going to talk. It's just something here that the Ramsey folks created about how to have hard conversations, how to talk about making a will, how to talk about these hard conversations that you and your wife need to have. And if you're not even married yet, how you and your future partner can have these conversations.

But, man, we've just done it three times on the show.

Hard conversation after hard conversation, after hard conversation. That's the life that we live in.

And the better we can get to having those hard conversations of being honest with one another, not the easier life's going to be.

And it just begins to pull away these bricks of weight so we can handle these things with light feet on a firm foundation.

So, Adrian, man, we'll be thinking about you. Here's the deal, Adrian. I'm asking you. I am big. I got close. Just them. I want to know how this conversation goes with your sister, and I want to know what you decide. Shoot me an email back and I'm going to read it out over the show.

Or we may call you back because I'd love to know how that conversation goes and what you ultimately decide. All right.

So as we wrap up today's show, again, I want to say thank you to the audience. You all are awesome. Zach James Kelly, we're going to make a hard transition here because I only got one song and probably wouldn't have been the song I chose for this show. But here we go anyway.

We're going to we're going to flip the switch.

I texted some buddies, my old buddies, Chris and Caleb, and I said, Caleb, I need a song. And he said, there's just one choice. Ninety nineteen eighty three. Don't even know if he was alive then I think he was nineteen eighty three record can't slow down. Was the name of the record is the one and only Lionel Richie singing his classic. They got booties are shaking all over the globe. It's called All Night Long and he sings well my friends the time has come to raise the roof and have some fun.

We're done raising the roof by the way, but oh, Lionel can throw away the work to be done. Let the music play on. Play on play on. Everybody sing. Everybody dance. Lose yourself in a wild romance. We're going to party karimov's to forever come on and sing along. People dancing on the street see the rhythm all in their feet. Life is good, wild and sweet. Let the music play on play on play. On all night long.

All night. Oh not all night long here on the Dr. John Delonas show.