Hello and welcome to the Virtual Frontier, the Podcast about virtual Teams created by Virtual Team. Disclaimer, all of our interviews are conducted virtually. I'm Daniel your host and I'm part of the team here to Virtual Frontier. In this episode I have the great pleasure to talk with Dr. Florian Ilgen. I was waiting for this chance since 2018 when I first discovered Florian and his work. Florian is a famous mentalist and a digital influencer, so I can promise you, we are expecting some magic to happen while we take off to his world of intuition.

I talk with Florian about how he's speaking and event business crashed doing 2020 completely and how he magically reinvented his business in record time. We also speak about why in our personal and business lives is crucial and how we can get a more systematic approach when it comes to the real power of intuition. A quick mention of our sponsor Flash Hub. Build your virtual team systematically and methodically. Scale with your business at any time and make work better. Learn in our free training how you can build, grow and scale your business with virtual teams and global freelancer's. Visit FlashHub.io/start to get free access to our virtual business builder training. For our international community. This is an English episode and you can find the transcript of this conversation now in more than 10 languages on our blog, at happy scribe public or watch the video with subtitles for this episode on our YouTube channel. If you like the show, subscribe on YouTube, it on Radio Public, follow us on Spotify, Stitcher, Audible, Google, Podcast or any other platform used to enjoy podcasts. You can also engage with our community, Discord. All the links you can find below in the description.

So without further ado, let's dive into episode thirty seven of the Virtual Frontier. Enjoy the conversation. Yeah, hello, Florian, I'm very happy to have you today on our show on the Podcast of the Virtual Frontier. I was really looking forward to having this conversation with you. For our guests that don't know might you want to introduce yourself a little bit. I really like the career path that you have taken the last couple of years on squired distinguished for many. It's not straight from your original field of chemistry, but please take it ahead and make your introduction.

Daniel, thank you for having me. It's a pleasure. My name is Florian Ilgen. I'm a keynote speaker. I used to be a mentalists means mind reader and you introduced me or you give us more hint about my my background. Actually, I'm a chemist. I studied chemistry. And while I did chemistry, I came across a magician in Australia, actually, and he pretty much he injected an idea into my mind that I love to entertain people.

I love to thrill people. I love to amaze people. And magic became a hobby. And actually it turned this hobby into my profession after I finished my PhD, after I graduated my PhD in chemistry. Meanwhile, I don't do magic anymore. I'm a keynote speaker, motivational keynote speaker means that companies apart from Corona, of course, that take into account the effects right now. Companies book me to motivate, to thrill, to empower them as well, their employees.

This is my field number one. And number two is I help entrepreneurs and small to medium sized companies to generate leads in a digital way. That's that's pretty much it, right?

Yeah, I, I know that that you have left a little bit of a field off of the Mentalist and the magic, but I was wondering, as we are working all the virtual way, I have to get back a little bit to that. Could you hypnotize someone virtually like right now with me? I was wondering if I have to ask.

The thing is that, well, theoretically, yes. However, it will take some time. Usually actually, I did I did hypnosis as well. I hypnotized people for show purposes only. So I'm not a hypnotherapist. So if you have issues with smoking, this is not my business. Look at someone else. What I did is I make people forget their names like they couldn't count anymore. They will drink water and let's say the best red wine in the world.

However, it will take some time like you have what you see, for example, there's a massive misconception when you watch a hypnosis show on television, for example, and television is everything has to be on time. We don't you don't have time to lose on television because time is money as in life as well but in television even more so. What you see on television is just the end. You don't see the introductory point. You don't see the preparation like the audience is prepared and the best subjects are taken out and they're pre hypnotized

Ahh, before the show, ok.

I'm OK. Yes, absolutely. It's real, don't get me wrong. Hypnosis is real. I've been hypnotized. I couldn't say my name. I forgot my name. It's so funny. And you another misconception. People believe they sleep. It's not sleep. They are fully aware, but the state of awareness is largely shifted. And so going back to the TV show so people are pre hypnotized. So during the show, the hypnotist can just walk across a person, walk up to this person that just click his fingers and this people just this person will go down under again.

So that's what you see on television. It's real. It's not because most people say, oh, it's fake. It's just they were paid money. No, it's real, and it will take some time. So probably your Podcast listeners won't listen to the preparations. I would need to hypnotize you. But it's very interesting. It's a very interesting field of science as well. It's science, hypnosis, hypnosis, I did a show on this show, of course, but the background, the the base, it's planted on, it's pure science.

What about reading reading your mind off of someone else in the virtual environment, or I know that you have like also like a specialty to get to the to the truth in a conversation telling when people are lying or whatever. How is that affecting that in the virtual environment when you don't have the physical presence and have taken off some of the how you say the senses that you would normally use, right.

It's, um, reading minds or reading body language is possible on a virtual medium. Influencing people is more difficult because I would touch people or touch you and on the forearm and say Daniel nice cap, I really like this and you could feel the touch and your body releases oxytocin, for example, the social binding hormone, and it makes you feel good. That's what sales people do when you when you go, um, you live in Mexico right now.

Um, probably your shops are open. And I don't know how the culture in Mexico is, but especially in the Mediterranean, countries like Italy, like Spain, people touch more. Greece, for example, just remember Greek waiters in Greek restaurants in Germany. They would touch, especially when they know you will pay. So if you like the paying, the whole table, the waiter will he's a mind reader as well. He will spot the person who's most likely to pay and this person will get special treatment because, again, social and scientific studies, people that are much more tip more.

So it's called the Midas touch meets the King who turned everything into gold in psychology, if people are touched them, they release to oxytocin, they feel more comfortable establish a connection. The both of us would establish more connection and when we have a connection we tip more, we are more generous. We more we trust more. So this channel of impact is no longer there, of course. But of course, I can hear your voice. I can see your mimics. I can, um, I hear what kind of words you would use so I can feel if you're in good mood, if you're in a bad mood, what direction. Whether you're lying for example. Um and now you're looking at me. What, can you do this? Yes. It's true. The touching is gone of course. And people behave differently if it's just next to them. And that's something that's missing.

I mean, you know, usually I do keynote speeches on big stages and the front row can almost almost feel me. And now I have I have digital conferences sometimes I don't even like two weeks ago at a conference four hundred people in a studio. So everything was transmitted, which just a digital conference. And I wouldn't even usually when like like now I see you. I hear you on my PC. And if you use Zoom conferences or meeting Team, whatever you see the people, you see the faces.

And sometimes I have conferences, I don't see anyone. This is weird because I love stage and I love to thrill and entertain people. I love to have an impact on people. But you don't get a feedback. This is new but we get used to everything I'm afraid.

And as you just mentioned, in your activities as a keynote speaker and of course, this was really affected during the last year, I asked the last couple of guests always, how did you adapt in 2020, 2021 to all this new situation, taking into account that you are really a guy that lives from presence, touching people, getting like really in contact with them while you're presenting and with all your other activities that you have on your plate. How did you adapt what you might have learned in the last year so our listeners get a little bit of an insight about how different personalities have tackled this situation in the last year and little bit of outlook or different perspective.

Twenty twenty was a roller coaster ride, roller coaster ride. This is crazy. I'm usually companies booked me for shows or for keynote speech, especially keynote speeches, two thirds of keynote speeches, motivational speeches, and the whole business just crumbled. My revenue was reduced by 83 percent. This was hard. And I started a new business like my my business was fucked. It was really completely demolished. It was almost gone. And to be honest, now it's March twenty one.

And I personally, I'm and I'm an optimistic person. I'm an optimist, but. I reckon the business won't be the same before twenty three thousand twenty three even next year. We will not be at seventy five percent, not even. I don't think so, because even if they have accents and so on, people are still afraid to joina room with two hundred people. And usually I give speeches in front of four hundred five hundred, thousand, five thousand people.

People, even if they have vaccinated, they are still this doubts. And you as a company, if you host an event and anyone gets infected, you're done at least to German law. So people will be afraid. So the business won't return before twenty three, that's what I think and I'm optimistic and I hope it will because I love stage. So what happens? Actually, Corona kicked my ass because I got big what we call this kick in the ass, because I wanted to start Online business three years ago. Actually, I wanted to do online courses, workshops, Online workshops, and now I had to

My problem was that my business was running too well, so I never interrupted myself. And that's the problem you have, even if you well off, even you know, every year we got more more talks. I increased the price per talk every year and everything was fine. So I had no there was no need to enter to challenge myself. Now, I had to because my business was gone and I had time. So right now I'm selling online courses and I help entrepreneurs and small to medium sized companies to generate leads online on a digital way.

Yeah, and its thing is it's amazing because I do search engine optimization, for example, and I've been doing this for 13 years now so that by search engine optimization, I generated my talks, my shows are from recommendation's word of mouth or television and stuff like that. But the search engine optimization was a big deal. And now I teach people how they can use how they become position one on Google and get more customers and eventually more turnover or revenue.

Amazing story like from the chemistry 10, 12 years ago, and now you're like, we are really in the Online business and having new adventures and also on new challenges. And I love how you took the chance during your last year getting first kicked in the ass by by the whole Corona situation. And then but you are doing actually something out of the comfort zone and advancing with your personality and your your business also.

It get's funny when you... when I might interrupt, you know, we all know those super cool and smart lines like magic always happens outside the comfort zone and you grow on your "An den Grenzen am meisten wachsen" you grow the fastest on your obstacles whatsoever. I don't know the saying in English. We all know those lines, those funny lines and fancy lines and so on. During a during a crisis you realize that those lines are true one hundred percent. Probably all those lines, all those sayings were found during crisis.

And now I never learned more than last year, I never learned more than last year in so little time. And it, you just for all, you just do this. You don't think about this. It's a bit of a struggle, yes, but. I think it was good for me, it was good I changed, it transformed. This was the biggest the biggest learning I had. During the last couple of years, yeah, and it's true, magic always happens outside the comfort zone.

I completely agree. And for me it was like the same. A lot of learning, new opportunities that I wouldn't have thought about before. And it was just like I think we have talked in a couple of shows before about the situation that this was happening last year. It was a booster and an accelerator for things that like, as you mentioned, just with your business. You were really in a comfort zone, had good income, with your speaking engagements and all this and why you should do something differently.

Right, and now there was an urge to do so. And you did. What I think and this brings me also to the next point I would like to discuss with you what what is really important, is having some some portion of passion, right and within your yourself and what you're doing. Could you explain a little bit, because I know that that you're also a passionate guy, why this is a key driver? Why is that so important, and how could maybe businesses take advantage of that.

I reckon passion is the fuel to any of us, even if you don't believe it, even if people smile and say, follow your passion, I heard the sentence over and over again. Thing is, people that are passionate are less likely to have a burn out. People that are passionate are more creative, people that are passionate, connect more with other people because every one, every human being wants to deal with passionate people. Just imagine you have coworkers and some of them are passionate and others aren't.

Who has problems? Those people lacking passion, because if you don't have passion, you focus on problems. If you're passionate about something, you have a master plan in your mind. Your passion drives you by your vision and your mission towards a goal, and you will find a solution if you're not passionate you say this doesn't work because this doesn't work, because. If you're passionate, you find a way. So passion to me, passion is the fuel to to achieve our goals.

I did many different things, like, I have a scientific education, my parents wanted me to become chemists, wanted me to work in a laboratory. And actually I was and I still am very passionate about chemistry. I did my diploma, my doctor thesis about carbohydrates, sugars and so on. And I still can draw your chemical structures. I'm still interested in chemistry because it was my passion because in school my best subjects were arithmetics, physics, chemistry, biology.

So all the sciences, natural sciences. I love them, they were so easy, so this was my first passion, and then I came across magic, another passion hypnosis, passion, keynote speaker, passion, Online marketing, digital lead generation it's all about passion. I hopped from one passion to a bigger passion. And I, I do things that inspire me. If I'm quite digital zero and one, if I don't like something, it's not it's not working for me.

I have to quit. If something is working, I'm fully focused on this and a really deep dive into this topic. And I'm like a sponge. I absorb knowledge about things I'm passionate about. And this is what is fun. This is something that makes things easy for me. And of course, eventually you will have success with this. So I'm answering your question. Yeah, and reinvent. Yeah, sorry, go ahead.

No, I was interrupting. I thought you finished with your sentence.

The ultimate goal is to re discover passion within ourselves, within employees. So, for example, I helped companies with my motivational talks that the employees see, I am passionate, I have a passion for something. And because I realized when people are passionate, they're very likely to change. If you're not passionate, you just think about problems and you don't want to change. But and that's interesting and it's a paradox, um, some people that don't like a certain thing.

They stick to it, this does not make sense at all, just imagine an employee that doesn't like his or her job. They could leave the job, but they don't want to. And that's the paradox, only a few people say, OK, I'm fed up with that job, I quit. If you're passionate, you're either good in your job or you quit instantly, because you have a vision about something you have. You tell yourself, oh, I was born for something bigger, for something greater, so I can either I can change it or I leave.

I would have two questions about that how could companies or company owners or leaders from teams, how could they develop in that team or nourish in their team's passion? I'm just thinking about like all the German speaking market were I would say we're not really like the passionate guys, right. Especially not in the job field or in the corporate environment. How we could go and be more passionate, more like the latin style or the Italian style, where you see that also more in the daily life, right.

It's funny speaking about Italian and Latino, it's maybe there's a diagram in between that's too easy. It's to that would be too easy. I thought about discipline and passion. But I think there are many people that are passionate and disciplined at the same time. But I think we Germans, yes, we lack passion. You can see that when people have Germans dance or make jokes. Yes, there's little passion about this that's different. Yeah, I've been because you live in Mexico and I've been to Colombia and Nicaragua and Costa Rica.

You see how the people dance, how they live. That's a lot of passion. That's that's a lot of passion. And I was wondering the cultural thing. We Germans, where we limit ourselves, we are so disciplined and we hamper our we reduce the ability to to have joy. We put joy on materialistic things on value, but there's more, there's much more. And companies can help the employees to increase their passion by just allowing passion again.

Because, we had passion before every one of us when we were young. When we were kids, we were passionate about things. We climbed trees without having money hanging in the trees. And we don't we didn't go there for money, just for the joy we played for having fun. And as adults, as grown up human beings, we have to reinvent this passion again, which is easy. It's not it's not difficult. We just have to take away our burden, our self imposed limitations. And the company can do this using three different things. There are some simple just three things. There are more to it, but the three major things are very clear, very simple, if companies implement this, it's very likely that employees are more passionate. No one is to have a very crystal clear vision a vision where people are going, what is our goal, what is our mission and of course, vision, and this has to be a rational thing on the one hand, but the vision has to include a emotional basis as well.

Like when I speak about vision and goals and not speaking about money, revenue turnover, conversion rates and so on, that's all the logical part. But the emotional part, the hard part is how can we help our customers? How can we increase how can we increase the quality of our employees life? How can we increase the our contribution towards the environment? That's something that's not rational, but it helps to follow a vision. If you know what I do helps my customer to succeed, I'm more motivated and I can develop passion.

So number 1 vision, very clear, very straightforward. Number two is communication, we have to communicate in a way that our employee employees understand why we should change. I'm speaking about change right now because change and passion that the highly connected people that are passionate change a lot and people that change a lot are more Agile have more fun. Like kids play around, they develop more passion. So it's like it's like a circle. It's like a catalytic cycle.

It's interesting. So communication I'm not speaking about sending emails, putting stickers somewhere. I'm speaking about communication that people really understand one a, again, emotional basis. They have to understand why they should change, why they should live their passion. That's one example, but it will take take too long. It's part of my of my talk and it will take us 10 minutes way to long.

We are going to link this talk maybe our show and so people could follow up on that later on, because I find it quite interesting, I guess. And something which is also more like German style is that we probably look also every time for the perfection in passion, right. So everything has to be perfect before we get into position. But it's all the other way around, be passionate in the first place and things will get probably more easy on the way.

It's our I think it's good and it's bad at the same time. I mean, so I don't know number one, which number we are in the world when it comes to the economy. Like we produce many goods, we manufacture cars, and we are Germans..... I've been traveling a lot. And I realized what to be German means like, oh, you're so organized, you so structure is so disciplined and perfectionistic and so on and so forth.

However, it's interesting, my mom put a a note and other notes like a picture over the entrance of the house, like many before you go out and it says. Perfection is the enemy of happiness. And I guess it's truth.

There lies some truth in it.

When you try to be perfect, you don't play like a child anymore. Children are perfect already. But we want to bring perfection into everything, and it takes away the joy, the joy and happiness and eventually the passion.

Yes, we are like this and we can learn a lot. And but that's something I see in first tier areas, top Management constellations. They start to realize that it's not all about money and perfection, but it's about, um.... It's about wait. So actually, I put it on a do not disturb, should put it on flight mode my mobile phone. And it's so funny. Who did I that talk about right now about my mom

and right there she was.

Guess who called? It was my mum. It's coincidence. Nice. That's nice. Um, but was I, um, perfectness. Perfection. What else? Oh, yeah. Leading managers understand it's not just about how to earn the biggest amount of money, but at the same time to contribute something to a bigger purpose and to have time for the kids, to have time for yourself to to feel something, to feel good basically,

Yeah. And I guess especially during the last year where we were all put together in the same in the same situation, like staying at home, even if you're a CEO of a big company, they probably had spent a lot of lot more time with their family and their kids maybe during this time. And a lot of them rediscovered some some of the value that they that it brings and say, OK, maybe we should be more inclusive in our daily operations with those aspects.

And as well, you just mentioned, it's not just about the money and the growth of the company itself. It's all the environment that counts also in. I want to give had a little bit into the topic of your book, which is also connected with passion and this topic in general, where we not really have the ability sometimes to grap on it that the book of yours called The Power of Intuition. And first of all, I would like to ask yourself.

About what is intuition, how you define it and what is probably not.

What is it, not very simple and it's not some esoteric bullshit. It's number one. Intuition is not something because there's so many myths around intuition. Intuition is not something magical, mystical, esoterical or limited to women. Because people say, oh, that's female intuition. There is male intuition as well. Actually, men and women have the same amount, if you can measure intuition by amounts, have the same amount of intuition. However, women are more comfortable using intuition as a point of argumentation.

So what is intuition, intuition basically is the whole treasure of knowledge we acquired during we've been here on this world, like all the knowledge, all the ideas, all the situational knowledge, what to do in a situation that we have acquired directly or indirectly, by and documentaries, by stories we were told, by experiences other people had. And this is the knowledge, the treasure of intuition. And combined with this is the ability that we can access this treasure chest within a fraction of a second to take a good decision.

So just imagine a firefighter in the house and the houses burning and he has to know how long can he stay in this in this house before the collapse. And, you know, he can read many books, he can measure something, but this won't apply this wont help. So his intuition will tell him or her that she can stay a bit longer or leave the house. So intuition is something we learn. So the older we get, the better.

Our intuition on a specific topic grows. Just imagine a lawyer, a lawyer who has done or what is called prosecutor. I don't know Richter in an English

Judge

Judge thank you I was like in a sort of... A judge, for example, the more cases you had or she had the better he will take into intuitive decisions because he will detect liars much easier. He will learn from experience, from mistakes, and so to to sum it up, to rund it up.

Intuition is a treasure chests of all our experiences and the ability to access this. Treasure of information within a fraction of a second for us to take better decisions in life. It's nothing mystical, it's just scientific again. I want to demystify the whole thing, yeah, completely right.

And as it is demystified and as you just laid out. Why we often denied to use this intuition in our in our daily life, or at least to commit step, we took a decision on intuition and probably how could we approach better in those cases and say, OK, we would use intuition for decision taking or whatever part of life.

Again, I'm so happy that we see big changes here, because many years ago, for years long, people had difficulties to use the intuition to touch things or to argue using your intuition. Again, women for women, it's easier to use this form of proof. Why did I take this decision? Yeah, because I felt that men had so far had difficulties using this. But again, like top top managers, politicians, even sportsmen, sportsmen, they have to feel the they have to feel where the ball will go, what the opponent will do.

It's all about intuition. And as the Western world loves technology and rational argumentation and things, it used to be difficult for us to just rely on our intuition. But, you know, we get more and more aware of things. Awareness is a big thing. And feeling like I mean, even now, top managers admit it's like, yeah, I always took my decisions on an intuitive basis, but I wasn't allowed to use to say this, to admit it.

So I created some rational arguments around it's not arguments, but this. Argument in English is an argument because the argument is a fight as well. OK. Yeah. Yeah, should be fine. Everyone will understand. Hopefully.

How could be how could we buy in the corporate environment, rediscovered this this intuition due to a force of good in advancing with our business operation on the environment inside the company, between the colleagues and co-workers so we take a. You just mentioned it like some top level manager would have taken over years his decision on an intuitive basis, never admit to it. And now it's getting better. But is there any way to do it more systematically getting the full the full package, all of the.

Absolutely, like described in my book, you need two things to be more intuitive and to have the results you want in your life. It's very simple. Number one, if you want to use your intuition, you have to have a good self esteem. You have to believe in yourself. And you have to make yourself independent of the of what other people think and say. Only then you will connect with your intuition, because if you depend on what other people say and think about you

you are, um, deaf I think, deaf towards your own intuition. If you make if you liberate yourself, if you make yourself free of the judgments of other people only then you have an ear or you have a sense for your intuition. So no one is self esteem again and you see how the topics are connected, the more passion you have, the more self esteem you have because you do the things you want to do and you listen to yourself and not what other people say. Because if you always listen to what other people say, it's very unlikely that you will follow your own passion, you will follow their passion, but your own passion. So this is the interconnection between those topics. So self esteem, number one, if your intuition told you something. Then you have to have the courage to take a decision. Because I mean, it's not as if your intuition tells you, hey, Daniel, um.

You has a good job, but it's not what you were meant for. And he said, yeah, intuition I understood but you don't take action. So we need self-esteem to listen to our intuition and to tell other people, hey, I just felt this, this is my intuition, number one. Then number two, you have to have the courage to take the leap, the leap of faith. You have to trust yourself and just change things because the intuition told you.

So those are the two concepts, self esteem and courage. And you will listen to your intuition and you will act upon it. And best thing is if we act upon it. You will have a good results, and this results again, feats of self-esteem. So, again, it's a catalytic cycle. It was just you see, the better the better results you get, the more your self-esteem will grow and hence the more you will listen to your intuition.

And, you know, if you don't listen to your intuition, why should she tell you something? She won't tell you anything if you don't listen to her.

Gotcha. As we're talking about speaking voice inside your head, there's also often connected to the ego. So how we distinguish between the ego and the intuition that is probably talking to you.

You have the ego talking to you that the ego is your limitation and the intuition is impossibility. Sometimes the what is a big issue is we confuse intuition, for example, with greed. Like if you're greedy, if you want to do the deal or if you want to earn more money and there is this is voice in your head talking to you and you think, oh, that's my intuition. No. Pay close attention, sometimes it's your greed, sometimes it's your fear, and sometimes it even can be love that you think, oh, that's intuition.

But it can blind you like love, can blind you as well if it's for different reason, if it's not the real love. So pay close attention. Is it really your intuition or is it just the greedy idea you have, just like this one or this one idea? This one thought. Yeah.

Gotcha. As we are coming slowly to the end of the conversation on if they're. Are people are out and they say, OK, I want to listen to my intuition more, but I struggle to get ahead and all the things starting or rediscover where the intuition is. Talking to me, what you would recommend. What is that? What are the first steps you just mentioned, like working on the self-esteem, having your focus and any more tips about that so someone could like getting like started with little steps of sorts, a better, intuition or the capability to hear their intuition.

Absolutely, um, the most important thing is if you want to listen to your intuition, you have to be in a relaxed state. So if you're stressed from job from other people, I don't know what you have to relax. You have to like meditation helps a lot to bring you down. Um, awareness helps a lot in relaxed states, like after going for a walk in a park so on your level of intuition, will... or the accessibility towards our intuition will grow.

So this is... you can make it more likely that you will connect to your intuition by being relaxed, by not having stress, just being relaxed, being aware of being self aware. That's number one. Number two is just try your intuition. For example, if you're on a bus, if you're on a bus ride on a train ride on, I don't know what's in a social situation. And you see people,

just challenge yourself on a bus, just guess who will enter or who will leave the bus first. Guess if you talk to people. Before you talk to them before you do your small talk. Look at the people and take assumptions. Married? Yes. Now, how many kids, what kind of job, where does he come from? Which country is this person from? So you challenge yourself over and over again and you will realize that the more you do it, the better you become.

Of course, afterwards you have to you talk to the people and you have to you have to verify how good your assumptions were. And this will increase your intuition and you will rely more and more on your intuition, but you have to try and you have again, have to have this team. To take this decision and just try. And do it over and over again.

Really interesting, as you were just mentioning, this little exercise, I was I was noticing that I'm doing this all the time, but when I'm in connection with other people and I never realized that this is an intrusion exercise.

It is, yes, you are practicing your intuition doing this, you have to of course, you have to control in the end, otherwise you don't know how good your intuition where.

Yeah, you have to just confirm it afterward right

Florian, thank you very much for for for today, for our conversation when people would like to get in contact with you. you mentioned already do online courses that you're offering that your trainings, keynote speeches. How can they connect with you where they can find out more? So we've got this thing rolling.

Of course, on social media, like LinkedIN, like Instagram, Facebook, YouTube and my homepage florianilgen.com. or .de. My my book so far is in is in German. There is an audio book you can download it for free. If you don't then it's difficult, but you can download my audio book for free. It's on my home page as well. About the power of intuition. Yeah, that's very much the that's the way how to contact me or just send me an email.

And the title of your book is so easy to translate when you want to work on the English translation for English speaking listeners.

Yes thats true. The power of intuition. It's very powerful. I love the title.

Right for a few titles that you can just translate one to one from one. Language to another. Thanks again

Thanks a lot, it was a great pleasure for me and we enjoyed talking to you. Hope I could drop some nuggets and get some value to your listeners.

Of course, was really insightful. And thanks for taking the time again. And I hope we can speak soon again.

Talk to you soon again, alright..

Bye Flo.

Bye.

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