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Doctors fixed the defect, and I'm okay now. But the whole experience inevitably made me think about my own death. At one point, I thought, if this surgery doesn't go well, should I donate my body to science? Then I started working on this story, and if all I knew about body donation was Sunset Mesa, I'd be like, Hard pass. In part for my own edification, I wanted to visit a place where bodies do end up contributing to medical research and are treated with dignity. I basically wanted to find the opposite of Sunset Mesa. Last spring, I visited the University of Miami Medical School, and I met a guy there who says we need body donation.

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There is nothing like learning from a human body. There's no 3D, VR, AR, computer-generated, whatever experience that is the same as working on what was a living individual. My name is Dr. Tom Champney. I'm a professor here at the University of Miami's Miller School of Medicine. I helped to run the body donation program, so I have two hats that I wear.

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Champney is in his 60s, but he looks 20 years younger with a head full of salt and pepper hair, healthy tan, and dimpled chin. Back when he was in medical school, He says it was the norm for med students to take a detached approach to the bodies they worked on.

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They didn't treat these individuals as if they had been living humans. They, in essence, told us that this was just material to work on, and that's changed now. We want to approach this more from an ethical view of how all human tissue should be treated, and the Anatomy Lab is a perfect example of that.

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Last spring, Champny gave me a tour of his anatomy lab. I followed him as we walked between huge stainless steel tanks.

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These are the donor tanks. We have them in a blue body bag, and we encourage all of the tissues to stay in that blue body bag.

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Some of the steel tanks had these laminated cards with short descriptions about the donors. As we walk by, he points out details. I like him.

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He's a huge University of Miami fan. He's got the University of Miami. Love for the Miami Huracanes and Nascas.

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She's even putting his dog Lucy.

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You want them to be aware that these were individuals who lived lives and are giving you the ultimate sacrifice, the ultimate donation.

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Champny wants his students to understand the weighty history they're stepping into, a history where medical research on human bodies has not always been ethical or respectful.

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Many medical schools resorted to nefarious means to obtain these bodies. That included grave robbing. Body snatching occurred in the past, and bodies were obtained in the past. They were unconsented.

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Body snatchers often targeted graves belonging to people of color. In one highly disturbing case in the 19th century, students and faculty at the medical school at Virginia Commonwealth University robbed African-American burial grounds. They He discarded the bodies in a well on campus. The remains were found in 1994, and the college apologized. With this history in mind, Champny tries to create an environment of respect. He doesn't allow photographs in the lab. No gory jokes either. Students are instructed to handle bodies carefully.

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So if they take the lungs or the hearts out and look at them, they're required at the end of that to put the lungs back, to put the heart back, to put the chest on top, to put that back into the proper state that they were. Again, that's a sign of respect.

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At one point, our conversation turns to body brokering. He knows about the notorious body broker cases that represent a threat to his work.

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There are the body brokers, which are for-profit money-making ventures.

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He's not a fan.

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At least in my view, you should not be making money off of something that someone voluntarily donations out of the goodness of their heart.

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Champny is part of a small group of anatomists from around the world pushing for more laws in an industry that has very few rules.

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I believe we need federal regulations that specifically speak to how we can properly handle human tissues, something that we do not have.

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Are you familiar with the Sunset Mesa?

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Yes, I am. Sunset Mesa was really bad. I think almost everybody around the world honors their deceased. We have funerals for individuals. We don't have funerals for refrigerators. We don't take our refrigerator out and say, Oh, we need to have a memorial to our refrigerator. I get concerned that individuals want us to treat dead individuals identically to dead refrigerators, and I don't think that's appropriate.

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But at Sunset Mesa, Megan and Shirley had just decided the body is basically just an old fridge, and a valuable one at that. Forget honoring the dead. Let's make some money. They had run their scheme for eight years before getting caught. Now, the town of Montrose wanted justice, but whatever justice looked like in this case, the specter of what Megan and Shirley had done would loom and leave people questioning. At the end of their own lives, who could they really trust?

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And there are people selling body parts as we speak.

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From Campside Media and Sony Music Entertainment, this is CoverUp Body Brokers. Episode 8, Ashes to Ashes, Dust to Dust. I'm Ashley Fontz. Welcome to True Spies, the podcast that takes you deep inside the greatest secret missions of all time.

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Suddenly, out of the dark, it's appear bin Laden.

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You'll meet the people who live life undercover. What do they know? What are their skills? And what would you do in their position? Vengeance felt good. Seeing these people pay for what they'd done felt righteous. True Spies from Spicecape studios, wherever you get your podcasts. Lucy loves a good deal. So she waited until the sales to buy some walking boots, and she switched to 48 Mobile, getting all data, calls, and texts, plus 5G on Ireland's Mobile Network of the Year for only 12.99 a month. Now, she can video call her mam from wherever her boots take her. Hi, mam. I'm on a maintain. 48 Mobile. Good call. Subject to fair usage, 12.99 one-time activation fee. 5g subject to device capability and coverage. 2023, switzer. Ie, Mobile Network of the Year, C48. Ie. Mary Lee Friedenthal is the hairdresser who's lived in Montrose for 30 years. She used to work at Sunset Mesa. And when Megan and Shirley were arrested, Mary Lee said practically everyone in town was buzzing about it.

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It's a small town, so everybody emails the phone chain. Hey, did you hear? Did you hear? Did you hear? Did you hear?

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People had been waiting for Megan and Shirley to be held accountable. And now that it looked like that was happening, every development in this story was the talk of the town.

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So people were excited that she was being arrested, and they were hopeful, and then again, disappointed because it had taken so long for her to be arrested and wondering how come it's dragging on so long.

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On the same day of their arrest, Megan and Shirley entered not guilty, please, and bonded out of jail. And although people saw them out and about, behind closed doors, they were in a dark place. At some point after their arrest, both attempted suicide. The justice system works slowly, and for many months, each side filed briefs, asked the court to move hearings further out. There was a lot of waiting.

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I don't think everybody really realized the complexity of the case how many people she had taken advantage of and how many people this was affecting.

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People expected a trial, but that was never going to happen because behind the scenes, prosecutors and defense attorneys had cut a deal, reducing the nine criminal counts the women faced to a single count of mail fraud for each. I interview quite a few victims who didn't think mail fraud sounded remotely serious enough to encompass Megan and Shirley's crimes. I mentioned their skepticism to FBI agent Paul Johnson, and he explained that it was actually a pretty savvy move on the prosecutor's part. I've had that conversation with a number of victims as well. When you hear the word fraud and you think banks and mortgage, and boy, that just doesn't seem right.

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But legally, fraud actually carries some of the stiffest penalties.

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Mail fraud and wire fraud, you can get 20 years in prison for it, but it just doesn't sound right to families. In fact, mail fraud is what the feds charged Philip Gaillet with, that body broker out in California, who you met in episode 4. He served eight years for his crimes. They had pleaded guilty to three counts of felony mail fraud for sending the tissue to three states in 2005. In Megan and Shirley's case, they agreed to plea guilty, but they would still have to enter their guilty pleas formally at a hearing. A Clee hearing is a formality in many ways. The judge would read the facts of Megan and Shirley's crime, then ask them to describe in their own words what they did. This is important because how a defendant does that can convey to a sentencing judge whether they have any remorse. By this point, Megan and Shirley had been out on bond for more than two years, and in July of 2022, they each appeared in a Colorado courtroom. Megan looked exhausted, and the hair she'd always permed and teased so high seemed flatter. When Shirley spoke, she said, I take full responsibility for my actions.

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But when it was Megan's turn, she struggled to take responsibility for her crime. She called the case against her a, quote, legal travesty, and she gave a classic non-apology apology. She said she was pleading guilty because families believe she went above the scope of the consent forms. I was fascinated to look through the documents that Megan's attorneys filed. Their argument for why her crimes weren't as black and white as they seemed.

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Attorneys tried to paint a picture of two women devoted to medical research.

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Megan Hess's lawyer says her client lost her way, but her motives were always good and pure. Megan's attorneys tried paint a sympathetic portrait of their client. She was a single mother of modest means. Her lifestyle may have looked flashy from the outside, but in reality, she was deeply in debt. She drove an old car worth $1,500 bucks. She wasn't with her husband anymore and was raising her daughter by herself. And her daughter was her world. Megan had told a court social worker, If I'm taken away from her, she won't make it. But by far the most surprising defense they tried to make was this. When Megan was 18, a horse kicked her in the face. As a result, she'd suffered a traumatic brain injury, and that injury basically hurt her ability to tell right from wrong. Her attorneys did note that Megan had never been treated for a brain injury. Nevertheless, they wrote, Given her diminished capacity and deteriorating mental state, Megan believed that her fraud was justified. She was a broken human being. But if Megan was a broken person, so were the hundreds of people she and Shirley had deceived. The FBI concluded they had stolen 560 bodies, and the family and friends of those victims were hoping that they could begin to heal on January 3, the day Megan and Shirley were to be sentenced.

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This is like the grand finale I've been waiting for you. Since 2016, I've been trying to get to this point.

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Judy Kressler's father, a coal miner, had died all those years ago. You met Judy in episode one. She recounted how her dad believed that if he donated his body through Sunset Mesa, researchers could possibly find a cure for the cancer that killed him. But shortly after After his death, Megan told his family she'd taken care of all of it in-house.

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She said, I've done the research myself, and the research is complete, and I've cremated his body, and you know I could charge you $1,000 for this cremation.

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The truth, of course, was that Megan had sold him.

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My father's body was involved the next morning. I was told later by the Department of Justice, and he was kept there in Sunset Mesa Funeral Home for several days until she could sell him. There was no medical research. I mean, it was a complete lie.

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Judy couldn't wait to face Megan and Shirley and tell them what she thought of them.

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Well, I had a seat reserved when I was going to speak and everything all typed out, and that was on a Tuesday. This hearing was on a Tuesday, I believe. On Sunday, two days before the hearing, I came down with the flu so bad. My fever was like 103. I was weak. I could I could not believe it. I said, Lord, no, no, no, not this.

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Judy stayed in bed and watched the livestream of the court proceedings on her phone. Sharla Downing couldn't be there either, but she checked the livestream feed as well all day long.

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I had an appointment in Owensborough, which is about a 45-minute drive, on the day that the sentencing was. I had my little phone, and at every opportunity, if I was not actually in my meeting, I was was glued to that phone.

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Many victims were there in person. The courtroom didn't have enough seating to accommodate all of the families, so folding chairs were brought in. It was the first time some of the victims were coming face to face with Megan and Shirley in court, and they had a chance to speak. There was profound anger and pain in their voices. One person said that the experience felt worse than the death of their mother. A mother whose daughter was dismembered and sold addressed Shirley directly. How could you let your daughter get so out of control that she did this, and you did nothing to stop her? There are no cameras or recording devices allowed in federal court, so we don't have any of this on tape. But I asked Judy Kressler to share with me what she would have said at the hearing if she hadn't been home sick that day.

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The truth is, Your Honor, my father's body was neither donated or cremated, but sold to a plastination company for the price of a cheap car. That box of cremains we have actually contains the mixed ashes of other people, along with burnt trash, floral wire, tooth caps, broken glass, snaps from a Wrangler Western shirt, and the inlay of a Swiss army knife. Hess and Katch burn trash with human remains because these people were trash to them.

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The judge presiding was Christine Argueo. Argueo, a Latina with a storied legal career who also grew up poor in a rural area of Colorado.

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The judge, in my opinion, was absolutely wonderful. She was as near as I could tell. She was fair. You people broke the law. You're going to pay for it.

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Early on, Judge Argueo made it clear that she was very skeptical of Megan's claim of a brain injury. She said Megan didn't appear to have mental health issues before she got caught. The The judge also said it was concerning that Megan refused to take responsibility. Before the judge announced Megan and Shirley's sentence, she spoke about losing her own husband, the grief that consumed her, how vulnerable she felt. Then she asked for a moment of silence for the victims before her, for their lost loved ones. And then it was time for the main event.

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When the sentences were read, it was a maximum sentence for Megan and for Shirley.

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The judge sentenced Megan to 20 years in prison. Shirley got 15.

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It was beautiful. I mean, I watched on a video as they were handcuffed at the end of the court. It was one of those beautiful sites I ever saw. It took me years to see those two get handcuffed in their red Christmas sweaters.

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After they pled guilty, we knew they were going to go to prison. That was totally unreal, and it took all day. It was very, very long.

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And with that, Megan and Shirley were taken into custody. They were bound for a prison in Minnesota, more than a thousand miles away from Montrose. And they were ordered to reimburse more than $400,000 to people who paid for funeral services that never happened. In Judy's eyes, justice was served, at least here on Earth. But Megan and Shirley had a high their power to answer to.

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At the end of the Bible tells us, be sure your sins will find you out. And it did. And if those two don't repent and change their lives, get right with the Lord. They've got a judgment coming after their deaths that's far worse than what Judge Arguello could ever give to them.

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The judge said the Sunset Mesa case was the most emotionally draining one she'd handled in her 14 years on the bench, and it had left victims drained, too.

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What surprised me was when the sentences were read, the day was over, the cameras were off, and I felt like I had been run over all day long by a bulldozer. I I had no idea how powerful, how much influence, how much emotion I was expending over all this. I told Glen, I said, I can't believe this. I'm exhausted.

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I just Charlotte said for the next two days, she did almost nothing but sleep.

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I don't know how many days it was after that, even, that I began to do things again.

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The psychological wounds Megan and Shirley inflict on their victims were so great. Some are still struggling to move on with their lives. During my conversations with them, I felt their pain so deeply. Some have tried talking to social workers, their priest or minister. Therapists were hit or miss. Others told me it was just too strange, too out of this world.

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You can't talk to other people about this. People do not want to talk about this. It is so uncomfortable, either that or they think you're crazy, but they do not want to talk about this. I mean, you tell them, The funeral home stole my father's body and sold it to Saudi Arabia, and they're like, Oh, that's terrible. Well, look at the time I've got to go. People don't want to talk about it. It's so uncomfortable.

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Ultimately, some of the best support victims have found has been in each other. Some of them formed a Facebook support group where they could share their stories and information about the case. Place.

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A lot of those people in that group became very, very close. It was a very good thing to have that because I lost friends over this. Everyone did. To have a safe place to go and to cry and to vent your frustrations and your anger was a really good thing.

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Julie Glenn thinks about her brother Michael every day.

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When I was very small, we had a large four bedroom house, and I was at the very first bedroom at the top of the stairs. Michael was at the third bedroom down. I can remember when I would get scared at night. I didn't go to my sister's room or my parents' room. I went to my big brother's room because I just knew he was going to protect me. I would go in there and I'd crawl on the other side of his bed, and he would just say, It's all right, Jules. Everything's going be all right.

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After Michael died, Julie had Sunset Mesa handle his cremation. But Megan had sold Michael's head to a plastination company, and from there it had ended up at Vanderbilt University. The school wasn't implicated in any wrongdoing, but I was still hoping someone there would talk to me. No one would. Julie would be so happy to just get one piece of Michael back, a pinkie finger even. But instead, Michael is truly lost in the deepest sense of the word, and that's because of Megan.

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A lot of people in the victims group were saying, I feel bad for her. God bless her, God help her. I don't care. Am I allowed to hate her? I am, and I do. And I always will.

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Julie suffered nightmares and even terrible visions. She couldn't work. She gained weight. She was stuck in a hole.

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I would hear so many times from my family or my girlfriends, Julie, you got to get to the other side of this. It took me years to realize that I can't move on from it. I had to figure out a way to move forward with it. And that was the difference. And that's what I do every day. Every single day, I get out of bed. I have a choice on how to move forward with it.

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Julie is one of the most inspiring people I met reporting this story. Even in her grief, she's been able to hold on to humor.

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Oh, I know. He was amazing. He was amazing.

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Really quickly, is there someone walking around upstairs?

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Logs.

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Oh, just the log home?

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It's the logs. Just a little bit of creaking in the home. Yeah, they move. So it's just the logs moving. It's not my brother. Don't worry.

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There is still no federal law that regulates body brokering. But in Colorado, the Sunset Mesa case did lead to some change. Before all this, state regulators couldn't inspect Sunset Mesa funeral home without Megan's permission. Now inspectors can walk into any funeral home anytime they get a complaint. Complaint. Before the Sunset Mesa case, abusing a corpse was a mere misdemeanor. Now it's a felony. And in response to Megan and Shirley's arrest in 2018, Colorado made it illegal for someone to run a funeral home and have an interest in a body donation entity. Still, those changes didn't seem to stop another funeral home operator in another small town in Colorado called Penrose. Tonight, all families who have used Return to Nature funeral home are asked to please come forward to authorities. That story was actually breaking as I was writing this episode last October. It may take months more for families to know for sure if their loved ones are among the 115 bodies found so far. The owners of the funeral home were arrested on suspicion of multiple felonies, including alleged abuse of a corpse and money laundering. At the time of this recording, they were in jail and law enforcement was investigating.

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Formal charges had not yet been brought. It's unclear what happened at that funeral home, but what's very clear to me is that there have to be more protections in place for all of us who have to use funeral homes.

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Almost from the beginning of recorded history, if you desecrate the dead, that was a big, big, big no-no for every tribe, every known culture. You would think that in 2022, we would not have to regulate our industry in order to accomplish that. But apparently, we do.

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Megan and Shirley are serving time in the same prison in Southern Minnesota. It's a federal lockup, low security in the middle of sprawling farmland. It's so far away from Mount Rose that it's pretty hard to imagine Megan's daughter being able to visit very often. I I thought back to what Mary Lee had told me, that Megan was willing to do whatever it took to give her daughter the very best of everything. It's just plain tragic that the cost of Megan's crimes was the total opposite because now the girl has to grow up without a mom. Shortly after they were sentenced, Megan and Shirley each filed appeals, essentially arguing that their sentences were too harsh. I wrote letters to them, but they didn't respond. I also wrote to their attorneys. One got back to me saying she didn't want to talk. The civil suits that named them are still pending, and their appeals are still making their way through the system. If they're denied, Megan will be in her late '60s when she gets out of prison, and Shirley will be in her '80s. When they pleaded guilty, they agreed to never work in the funeral industry again.

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For many victims, the lingering question remained of what to do with the ashes they had. It wasn't their person, but it was somebody's. During my reporting, folks in the Facebook group were putting together a plan.

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Our Sunset Mesa survivors, we're all going to get together, probably this September, and we're all going to scatter the ashes together of these people that we have that are not our people. I mean, they are our people. We're taking care of them and giving them more respect and dignity than Megan has ever did. But we're going to scatter them together and set them free.

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And on a clear and warm late September day, that's what some of them did. About a dozen victims gathered at a park just outside Montrose. There were locals, but others who traveled a really long way to be there. Well, we always wondered what we're going to do with this stuff. I think this is probably the best thing.

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We made a 12-hour drive, not in one day.

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They all gathered at a table under a covered pavilion. Someone had brought along a blinking disco light Like the kind you see at a middle school dance. People were passing the light around like a talking stick. I don't know what I want to do when I die now because who do you trust? For somebody to take advantage of you when you're in that vulnerable state is just cruel.

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And take advantage of your family. Yes.

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I was thinking, I have a lot of anger around it, but I think she affected and impacted so many people, and that's what breaks my heart is we're all… Somebody said, You belong to a club that nobody wants to be in. It is. After two hours of sharing their stories, everyone walked over to the shore of the Gunnison River. Look how dark it is. It's separated. Right? People got out their bags of ashes and slowly released the contents into the water. But at least one person couldn't bring herself to do it. Julie Glenn.

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I just couldn't do it. If there was a piece of my brother, any part of him in the ashes that I have, he's going with my mother. I couldn't bring him here today.

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Judy recited a passage from the Book of Psalms.

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My cup runneth over. Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life, and I will go in the house of the Lord forever. I just really wanted to see everybody from the group that was going to be here and let go of these ashes. I've had them in my closet for years, and just time to let them go. The blind trust I had in people was not there as much anymore. And it's changed how I view death. I've told my own daughters, When I die, I want you guys to make sure that's me in the caff and make sure I'm all there and make sure it's me that goes in the ground because I don't want this to happen to me. Obviously, It's important to be clear that what happened at Sunset Mesa is the exception rather than the rule.

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In the wider scheme of the many thousands of people who die every single day in this country, Many funeral homes treat bodies with dignity, and most bodies are not sold without the knowledge of their family. Professor Tom Champney reminded me that donated bodies are still an irreplaceable teaching tool for future medical workers.

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If you want to donate your body, which I would encourage all to do, I think it's a very helpful and valuable thing. If you want to donate it, you need to do some background, some research. I encourage people to contact their local medical schools, and They can usually tell you, Yes, we have a body donor program. Ask them questions. Don't be shy. Part of this body donation program is transparency and consent. If you're going to consent, I would like you to be fully informed when you do that consent.

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There are ways to know that your body is going to be treated the way you wanted. Before I did this story, I had no idea. You can actually request to watch your loved one's cremation. Now, I totally get that that might too tough to do, but you can also have a family friend who is less emotionally involved. Witness it. That can provide peace of mind. Sharla had lived in Montrose much of her life. All her childhood memories were of that town, and she'd built her dream house there. But when the Sunset Mesa case was all over, Sharla moved far away to Kentucky.

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I didn't move because of what had happened. There were some family issues involved, but the hurt, the embarrassment, that whole package made it easier to leave And when we drove out the drive, when we left Montrose, I never turned around and looked back once. I was happy we were going. And I love it here. I'm very happy here. I'm very glad this case has resolved as far as it has. And God has been good.

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Still, Charlotte lives with a question mark. She chose not to have her dad's ashes forensically tested. And despite what an FBI agent told her, that her father was a victim, she chooses still to believe it's him in that Mason jar.

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My belief is that a lot of them are my dads. But whoever they are, we will treat them with great respect. And dignity, and eventually, they will be reburried here in Kentucky.

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This whole experience has changed the way Sharla trusts people and how she's planning for her own death. She told me a story from a few months ago when she and her husband, Glenn, were driving home from lunch, and they passed a funeral home.

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And Glenn said, very innocently, We should stop in sometime, introduce ourselves, and start making arrangements in case something It happens to one of us. And my response to him was not, Oh, I don't think that's a really good idea. It was, No, we're not doing that. Just that fast. Did he have a good idea? Yeah, probably. Has he talked me into it yet? Nope, he hasn't. But now I suspect every funeral home, evidently. And I know that there are good people out there. There are good funeral directors out there, but they're probably You're going to have to prove it to me now.

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