Most people would rather not be accused of murder, especially ones they didn't commit. However, the good people of Texas are known for doing everything their own way. They say everything's bigger in Texas. Even as it turns out, killer counts more than one of today's criminals seemingly exaggerated their crimes, taking credit for murders they probably didn't even commit. And of today's top killer Texans, no one may have taken 80 lives. 80. There's a reason the Texas Chainsaw Massacre was set in Texas.

There's also a reason there are eight films in that franchise. The horror is found in Texas are anything but small, and the killers in Texas seem desperate to outdo each other.

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Every week will highlight ten fascinating stories of history's most engaging and unsettling crimes all picked up by the podcast Research Gods.

This week, we're counting down the top ten killer Texans. I haven't been to Texas like actually they're there. I've stopped in the airport so I can say I've been there, but I know you've been there and I'm pretty sure you felt very at home.

Yes, I love Texas. I went there for a hair show. And it is true what they say. Everything is much bigger in Texas. Yeah, that is definitely proven true. I love it there so much.

Well, what I love about Texas is and I'm sure a lot of people feel this way, they have the super amazing horror films that have come out of Texas or just like Texas style, the best ones always shy away from like the awesome parts of Texas. And instead they always focus on, like the creepy backwoods kind of Texas tales, like Texas Chainsaw Massacre and one of my favorite ridiculous horror film, House of a Thousand Corpses.

You do love them. I love that movie. It's a great song, but I've actually never seen the movie. You know, I got to make you watch it. You do. But back to my beloved Texas. Even though Texas has great people and food and drinks and movies even, we're talking about the darker side of the state.

Elena has five gnarly Texas happenings and so do I. But we'll be right there with you learning which the other has. Let's start the countdown. Ten. I'll start us off with number 10 pick axe murderer Karla Faye Tucker. In 1983, Tucker and her then boyfriend broke into the home of Jerry Lynn Dean, who happened to have a guest that night and ended up killing them both with a pickax. Tucker sparked a debate about death and redemption after becoming a born again Christian on death row.

Carla was on drugs during the break in and the murders, but she later bragged about hacking their bodies up with a pickaxe, gave her just such a sexual thrill.

That is a red flag. Red flag. What a gal. Yeah.

So in 1995, she married her prison minister and then she wanted her sentence commuted so she could spend the rest of her life making positive differences in others lives.

That's the next obvious choice. Like once you've dismembered someone with a pick and yeah, it's like, all right, let's do good now.

I should do better. I like I should do better.

I got to revamp my karma. I need to be better. I do. We should do better things.

Well, death penalty opponents and conservative Christians, they usually tend to support capital punishment, but they rallied behind her because she had converted. And the controversy of her execution kind of raised the question of whether a killer can be so rehabilitated on death row that she could be spared execution. I mean.

Yeah, do you friends? That's a big old debate. Yeah. Ultimately, though, minutes before Karla died, Governor George W. Bush refused the eleventh hour appeal to block her execution. And then in nineteen ninety eight, Tucker became the first woman in Texas to be executed since the Civil War. I think it was that sexual thrill thing. If she didn't, like, come out and brag about how like it felt real good to do that.

I think she may have had a chance, but that'll do. Yeah. And once you admit that, it's like, I'm sorry, we can't go back.

Yeah. You've crossed the line.

Nine and number nine is a man with many nicknames, including the Butcher of Elmendorf and the alligator man Joseph Dyball, in the 1930s, Ball was a bar owner who often dated his female employees before getting rid of them.

Oh, he's only technically connected to two murders, but some believe he may have killed up to 20 victims.

We got a big jump there, very big variance due to 20.

Instead of following his father's family business and cotton, Joseph Dyball got into bootlegging after coming home from World War One. Another big jump. Yeah, he just goes from one end to the other all the time. That's his brand. It is. It's who he is as a person.

Well, he had a very lively saloon which actually perked up after his barkeep dug a pool out back and then they just filled that pool with five live alligators. Also, where do you just get five live alligators and where do you get that idea?

Like, you're like, wow, that's like a movie. This is a pretty lively saloon, but, you know, it would make it livelier. Alligators, we just dug a pit out back and threw some alligators. So it's just get real metal with it. Let's get super metal.

His roadside zoo attracted a ton of attention, obviously, but there were more vile activities going on that really attracted probably not the best kind.

What these activities included, catching stray kittens and puppies and flinging them into the alligator. Oh, no. Who does that attract? I need to know who was on it. Guys, we got to stop at this place. You know what I heard? They throw little puppies and kittens to alligators. Sounds fun. Horrific. Like who are you?

The worst are you are the worst away, sir.

When the deputies tried to take them in for questioning because they were like, hey, what's going on here? Do you mean that he grabbed the 45 he had hit and shot himself in the heart?

So clearly there is a lot more going on than just Alligator Alley. What a way to do it.

We had to be sure he was a balls long time hired man told authorities that Ball had killed his girlfriend's Hazel Brown and Minnie got heart and led them to their bodies.

Oh, I just took a very dark twist.

He was like, I'm going to turn real quick. He just flipped on a dime. No other bodies were found besides those two but rumors and circled that he fed the other mistresses to the alligators. So he was like the OG Carol Baskin. But like he also had an exotic vibe. He did. He had a nice little mesh of depending on who you ask. He was one of the other guys, so.

Eight. Number eight on our list of killer Texans is the Texarkana Moonlite murders, which brought us the phantom killer. I know this one. In nineteen forty six, a serial killer attacked eight people with a gun in Texarkana, which rests on the border between Texas and Arkansas. The killing seemed random and the murderer was never caught or identified.

I know this one.

We did this one at our live show not too long ago. Not too long ago.

So, you know, but we got to tell everybody else, the victims guys let them in on the secret. The victims included three couples that had been either beaten or shot at lovers lane locations, Wolf. Really like messing up people's like, lovely dates.

That's messing with the vibe that the attacks were so savage.

The Phantom actually cracked the skull of one victim, Jimmy Hollas. So sad. Oh, girl.

Look, so shockingly, two people did survive the attacks. Do we have their names, Jimmy? And I think Mary, I think it is Mary. But Jimmy was want to get a girl. So they survived the attacks.

But there were discrepancies in their descriptions of the killer, obviously, because Jimmy had had his skull basically crushed, shred memory and serve differently.

He thought it was a white man with no mask and she thought it was a black man with a white mask.

So very different description.

Do you want to tell the story? I do, actually. I'm just. So one suspect was the town troublemaker. Duh.

Of course, Julie Sweeney, who asked the police station if they were going to give him the chair.

He's like Woeser, big jump again. Another contender for the phantom killer was H.B Tenison. He killed himself when he was 18 and confessed to some of the murders in his suicide note.

I mean, pretty good candidate. Pretty good. And then we've seen it. But if you have an listeners, you got to see the town that dreaded sundown, such a good flick. It's based on the killings and it screens each year in the town on Halloween.

I know that's so cool that they do that. It is cool. Seven. Number seven on our list also remains a mystery, but is just as deadly, the servant girl annihilator from 1884 to 1885, an unknown murderer attacked and killed eight victims, seven women in one man with an axe in Austin, Texas. Despite the nickname, only the first three victims actually worked as servants.

But, you know, you've got to use a crazy nickname.

They just took that and ran with it. Even if it doesn't actually fit the whole thing. They're like most of them don't fit. Well, we'll just go with it.

Like the phantom killer is not actually a phantom is literally just going to say that I'm at least assuming I don't know.

I was going to say I just actually don't know. So Austin was considered a safe city until Christmas Eve. Eighteen eighty five. Do you remember.

And I remember so well, so well. I was right there. That's when the body of Susan Hancock was found with her head split open by an axe on Christmas Eve.

Christmas Eve. That's so sad.

Eula Phillips was found dead in the wealthiest neighborhood in the city. Her husband, James, was quickly a suspect.

Of course, the husband always did it, always.

Well, her unfaithfulness to her husband, James, was laid out in greater detail during James's trial because, of course, everything's got to get rid of, you know, respect her memory and all, of course.

But his guilty conviction was overturned because the prosecution found no direct evidence that he even knew of Ulos infidelity, which is like, oh, no. Oh, woops.

We're like, sorry that you're mourning right now. Also, she may have cheated on you.

I just blew up her spot after the fact. Oh, that's a bummer. That's a real bummer. The reason the murders aren't as well known as like Jack the Ripper is because he came along three years later and he completely stole the spotlight with my kidneys and, oh, Jack the Ripper came.

It was like, oh, hold my beer. He was like, you thought you did something. Just wait.

He was like, hold my fancy vintage drink for me, I think, because that's from the eighteen hundreds. I assume the high school teacher, Nicole Kraisak, wants to prove that Jack the Ripper and Servant Girl Annihilator are the same person. I don't think so though. I mean Jack had like a very specific group he is going after.

He certainly did. And I just feel like we want to lump all these like crazy like Victorian killers and together. And it's like, no, they were just a lot of crazy people. And at times, you know, they all had things to do other than murder.

Like that's a lot of murder to be. They sure did. I mean, you were there, right? I was.

Six. Coming in hot at number six is Kenneth McDuff, who got the death penalty for killing three teenagers outside of Fort Worth, Texas, but that got changed to life in prison. And in nineteen eighty nine, he was granted parole. Oh, he then went on to kill somewhere between six and 11 more victims. Shocking. He was executed in 1998. Wow, what a journey. So let me tell you about it. McDuff was spared at first from execution because the U.S. Supreme Court had just made a decision to strike down the death penalty in 1972.

Lucky break, McDuff. He gets a few of. That's what they called him.

You were there again.

Then in 1989, he was paroled because of overcrowding in the Texas prison system.

Always a great reason, which is lots of murderers out and it's not getting a little hot in here.

His post parole killing spree earned him yet another conviction, this time for killing two women. So clearly he's not doing any better.

I'm shocked that he offended are shocked. His offense sparked sweeping reforms concerning the state's parole process. Thank God. Thank goodness.

Everyone was like, yeah, maybe we should do this a little differently. Let's look at this one more time. Yeah. Let's take a closer peek. One prosecutor in his case described McDuff as the monster who comes out of the dark to monsters.

Ever come out of the light, though? I mean, like, that's real poetic.

Like, nice. I like that hyperbole. It's fun, but maybe we should leave him in the dark. I think that's the whole problem.

I feel like every monster generally starts in the dark. You're reading too much and I just don't like it. It's like he's the monster that. So is he every month.

I don't know, maybe he is every month, whatever prosecutor.

Either way, he was executed in nineteen ninety eight after he murdered a pregnant central Texas store clerk. Oh, the worst I know. It's reported that McDuff was also a secret informant who helped authorities find missing bodies of three women. You still suck, McDuff. I know. I kind of doubt that he was an informant. He doesn't sound like he would be.

He's the worst. What do you think?

I think McDuff was like a real dbag, real bad guy, and I'm starting to fear what's to come with the top five. I know I thought that I really like Texas. In fact, I like even considered living there at one point. And now I'm like, I'm scared. Now I'm mostly nervous, although these were all from pretty long ago.

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But before he died by lethal injection in 1985, he confessed to killing many more victims. Oh, he met most of his victims after some heavy drinking at bars, which is when he claims he just felt rage. That's when you're supposed to feel like dancin. Yeah. It's like, why do you why are you getting Reiji after drinking? I don't understand. He took that, like, let's rage. He went the other way. It's like, no, you have to look up.

The definition is to.

Yeah. Urban Dictionary that plays. He kept changing the number of people he claimed to have killed, which to me is like weren't wearing red flag. He's lying. Yeah. He once told the psychiatrist that number was 35, but then he scaled back to like 14 or 15 murders. It's also like when they say, I'm like, who are you trying to impress? And it's like you're not talking about, like, number of eggs in your omelet.

You're even not to be like, dude, it's like they say so casually.

Yeah. Like it was, you know, it wasn't dirty. It was like 14 or 15. So, you know, whatever, like no big give or take. Those are just human lives. Well, the official number seems to be at Lucky 13. Cole confessed that the killings were in revenge of his abusive mother, who forced him to keep her affairs secret from his father. Oh, Mama, not cool. And I feel bad for little child him, but not adult, but adult him.

No excuse.

Exactly. I'm sorry. We grow from this. We grow.

He spent his final hours in prison playing cards with the prison chaplain. Oh, obviously, what a way to go. He was the first person executed in Nevada since nineteen seventy nine in the first person to be executed by lethal injection in Nevada.

Wow. You know what I just thought of them. I wonder if he won that card game. Oh well, if you lost and then you had to go die. What if I thought that's a lot. Well that's heavy.

I don't know. Let's weigh in. But at least he got those two distinctions of being the first person executed since nineteen seventy nine. There it is in the first lethal injection. There it is. So hot on the back for you. He was also the fiftieth to be executed in the United States since the Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty in 1976.

Lots of feathers. And he was just going to say a lot of distinction, Sunny. Not any that I would personally like. Oh, but you know what? That's all you got. Cool. Agreed to let doctors examine his brain after his execution to see whether there was a physical reason for his murderous rage. And I feel like whenever they do this, they never really find the concrete. Oh, here it is. This is why you are in a murderous rage all the time.

Well, normally it's like a frontal lobe. Yeah, like some kind of like lesions. Or you hit your head when you were younger. It was some kind of issue.

But no, we don't know. Huh. For. Taking the number four spot on our list this week is on how much arena Risen does or the railroad killer since his crimes took place near railways, very original, clever Rescinds was linked to 15 murders but was convicted and executed for only one. Wow. I feel like that's also a running theme here. Yeah. Like they only get convicted or executed for, like, one murder. Yeah.

Like I murdered four hundred and thirty two people, but I got convicted of half of one exactly what they killed for it. And thirty two people. They better be at number one, maybe two. You know something I don't.

OK, back to this. The slayings were actually spread out through six states, but eight of them did happen in Texas, likely Texas right now.

So one of his victims was killed because he believed that they were involved in black magic.

Oh, great reason. Great reason. Not at all. Not at all.

Border Patrol deported him after finding him to be undocumented, and they brought him to Mexico. But they didn't realize that he was on the FBI's most wanted list. Oopsy. That's a big old mistake. Everyone hopes psychiatrist testified that Resendiz was schizophrenic and delusional. He feared government conspiracies. And are you ready? He believed he was going to survive his lethal injection while believe in your dreams. And he had a plan and everything. OK, he said he was going to awaken three days after this execution because he was half man.

Half angel. Yeah. And then he was going to help Israel fight their enemies in the Middle East. Oh, did he did it happen?

I don't think so. I'm on the edge of my seat. He was re-examined at that point and they said he had delusions, but he wasn't schizophrenic and he still should be put to death. Wolf and his lawyers argued like, yeah, he's guilty, but the law mandated people that were being executed. They must understand that they're going to die. And it really didn't seem like Angel was fully convinced. Not really. He was coming back. He was.

And number three on the countdown is a killer who confessed to about 600 murders, Henry Lee Lucas. Oh, I know him. Now, several of those confessions were just like outright lies.

At least 20 of them have been conclusively disproved. He was convicted of 11 murders, including those of his mother and a young girlfriend.

That's just messed up. Like, what's with you, dude? The confessions he made, which began all the way back in nineteen eighty three, happened before the rise in DNA testing, and it caused a lot more pain for families because they were being proven false.

Right. And then it's like, who actually did this? Yeah. And of course, no family wants to hear like yeah, I murdered your child or your family member, but at least it gives some kind of closure and then it just gets ripped out from under them. And mystery again, that's even sadder. I bet he love that too. Yeah, he was maniacal the worst. Lucas said he killed people of all ages, genders and race across the United States by running them over, stabbing and decapitating them after they were dead.

Wow. So he wasn't exclusive about, like, anything? No. He couldn't commit. No, that's the problem.

Reporters and journalists prove Lucas's confession false because geographically he literally could not have been at certain murders. He's like, actually, I wasn't even in Texas that day, but I still did it. He's like, you know, I killed someone in Nevada. And they're like, well, what about this one in Massachusetts on the same day? And he's like, yelled at it and they're like, it's within ten minutes of each other. And he's like, did it caught a red eye.

What what about it? You're an idiot.

Henry Lucas claimed at one point a murder in Tyler, Texas, but his employment records show he was actually working on a mushroom farm that day all the way in Pennsylvania. Anything's possible. He's like, you know, I don't know.

I put down my mushrooms and I went and murdered someone real quick. Oh, man. The incentive to confess and help police with more crimes than he actually did commit was probably because he was treated better when he talked about it. Yeah, but just talk about the ones that you did, bro.

But he's like, you know, I think it's like he started seeing, like, the more money you probably got, like Dr Peppers and like pizza while he was talking to them. I think that's exactly what he got. Dr. Peppers and Pizza. I think I'm just hungry. I think you are, too.

He was sentenced to death for the 1979 murder of an unidentified woman who was known at the time as orange socks. That always makes me so sad.

That case is very sad. Yeah. And I believe she's known as orange socks because she was literally found only wearing orange socks.

That's like horrific, but citing lack of evidence. Apart from his confession, which we going to take with a grain of salt, his sentence was commuted by Governor George W. Bush in 1998. So Bush was like, no, no, no, I'm not going to relinquish your sentence, Karla, because I'm too busy doing this for him. Mr. Lucas, he's like Mr. Lucas over here has 600. I'm only giving up one favor per year. You got to just pick and choose.

Well, DNA testing has helped resolve many of the cases. So luckily, we can just be like, shut up, Henry. I got to get out of here. Science.

Henry Lee Lucas isn't number one, and that should startle you. I'm still at the very least, but you have no one. So I'm just saying it should still startle you. I mean, I'm scared of what's to come, I'm sure. Are you guys ready for what's to come? I don't think you're ready for this countdown. I don't think I am.

To our runner up this week at number two on our countdown of killer Texans is Dean Korrell, better known as the Candy Man. The girl's family owned a candy factory and he was known for handing out treats to local kids double growth.

He committed at least twenty eight murders between 1970 and 1973, with the help of two teenagers as his accomplices, one of whom ultimately shot and killed the candy man.

Every time I hear candy, man, I think the candy man can. Every time I hear candy, man, I get super nervous and I'm like, shit. Is there a mirror nearby? I know. That's the second thing. I think of a great movie, the great movie. It's one of the ones that scares me the most.

Scary Heda The Bees. While Dean Candy Mangi worked for his mother's candy company when he was young and right off the bat was accused of sexual advances toward other young boys. Wow. He then began sexually abusing boys by bribing them with gifts or like money if they didn't say anything creepy. So he was just a creep from the start. Most of his victims were residents of the Houston Heights, which at the time was like a working class town. And at this point in time, serial killer, that term hadn't been coined yet.

So parents are calling in and they're reporting their missing sons. But authorities are like, I don't know what a serial killer is. I think your son just ran away.

It's weird that there was a time before a serial killer was a term. I know, isn't it? Isn't it weird when I got to watch mine, Hunter and Hunter, you got to watch where it's at.

Jonathan Groff, back to the candy man. So it hadn't been coined yet. And everybody all the authorities are like, no, your kids are just runaways and we're not going to investigate. We're just not cool. Super awesome. He forced his victims to write postcards or notes home to their families, saying that they were OK.

And then at that point, they're like, oh, crap. Like, they are runaways. Yeah. And they're just going to give up and be like, well, what can we do and what did we do wrong? That's always the most evil thing to do because we've heard a couple of killers who have done this, had them write notes to their families or call their families or stuff.

That ad as horrible a whole nother like echelon of evil as a different place really is.

Well, Mr. Candyman paid his two teenage accomplices, Elmer Wayne Henley Jr. and David O. Brooks. Two hundred dollars for every boy they brought to him. Much like at the time, I was like, pretty good. My money. Well, I can like every boy they brought in.

Oh, I know. That's like so messed up. Like, it just it's like, well it's disgusting. But it all ended when Hennelly fatally shot thirty three year old Korrell during an attempted rape of a victim on August 8th, 1973. Super awesome. Belike a little late. Yes, exactly. A little late to the game. A little too late to really is good thing. Anything you can. Not good though. Seventeen year old Hennelly confessed to his role in at least twenty eight murders and he led investigators to unmarked graves throughout the Houston area.

I mean, again, good job, but like after twenty eight murders, it's like, it's like maybe after like none. You had a few chances there to be like this is not good. Right, let's stop.

SNAP out of it. One. And that brings us to number one on our countdown of the top 10 killer, Jackson's Coral Eugene Watts, what's confessed to 11 murders in Texas and one in Michigan. He had been a suspect in 26 other murders but was convicted of killing two women in Michigan in the 1970s. He died before being sentenced completely.

And it's speculated he may have claimed as many as 80 victims. So that's why he's number one. He targeted women who he thought had evil eyes. So what makes your eyes evil? Not real sure. Not hungry eyes. Evil eyes are like so dark. I feel like they are a little evil.

Mine kind of look like you have twilight life.

So I feel like I might have been vulnerable here. But you would have been one of the nice vampires because they're not red.

But I don't really think Twilight was on his mind in this time, but probably not. But cool.

You received immunity for the 12 killings he confessed to as part of a deal with Texas prosecutors. That deal led to a 60 year sentence for burglary with intent to murder. Whoa. But mandatory release laws lopped ready.

Thirty five years off of that 60 year sentence. All these Texans are getting a lot of favors, like what is going on, right? What's happening? What's was due to be released from a Texas prison in May 2006. He had a ton of good behavior credits and there was no physical evidence linking him to murders that he actually confessed to.

So they were like, oh, well, you like I know we thought you said you did it, but it's OK. Just go anyway.

But like, DNA is like not béarnaise, whatever. But he was convicted of the murder of Helen Dutcher in November 2004, and that's what kept him in prison, where he ended up dying of prostate cancer at 53 years old. Oh.

Now, if Watson was released, he would have been the first serial killer in U.S. history to be freed from prison, according to Michigan authorities.

Well, I'm really glad that didn't happen. Super glad that didn't happen. That's a big hurry. That's a very big koray.

This was a very good list.

This is a great list. This was a good episode.

It's a great one. But you know what? You don't agree with the number one or did they leave something off?

We left, I think, at least one and a half people off the list. There's a half person now.

We didn't talk about Robert Ben Rhodes.

Oh, that awful truck driver who had like a mobile torture chamber in his back of his truck. His home base was Houston.

And he killed two Texans. I mean, a killer Texan just saying we didn't like our super long, deep dive on him on morbid.

He is a yeah, that episode was messed up. He's a situation now. What's the half percent? Well, Samuel Little oh. Was a recent one.

And he confessed to 93 murders. And there are a bunch of them in Texas. He was on 60 Minutes. He was sick. So there you go. Did you see that? The only reason I said half is because I'm not sure if he's from Texas, but he did commit a lot of murders in Texas. So they're suggesting podcast research gods. Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. Double gotcha. Double gotcha. Wow.

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