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You've got digital folklore. Hello, and welcome to another after the episode discussion, where we're going to be talking about episode seven of Digital Falklor season two. So if you've not listened to season two, episode seven of Digital Falklor, go back and listen to that now. Otherwise, you'll be hopelessly lost or overly informed. One of the two. Today, I have with me Mason Amadeus and Matt Bliss, who you've probably heard Matt's voice before if you listen to season one and the ARG episode, or if you've heard some of these episodes where Matt, who does a lot of our editing, jumped in and provided some valuable insight or advice on how you should go to Patreon and support us or little edits that he may have done. So with that, I've been monopolizing all the time. We'll let everybody's voice be heard so that you can identify.

Good morning. Hello, I'm Mason Amadeus. I'm here fairly often, so you probably know me.

Yeah, I realized that as it was coming out of my mouth.

No, that's good. No, it's good.

What about Matt's voice? Matt is the less familiar voice.

Yeah, less familiar. And this is an opportunity for me to not sound like I'm trying to chill for digital folklore here with just a Petre on message every now and again.

Yeah, we can get your real authentic input now that we have you on this after-episode. I actually have questions for you in regards to the editing on Andrew Peck's interview, but we can get to that when we get to the fun parts section.

For sure.

Okay. Mason set the stage for us. It is season two, episode seven. Digby is in flux. What is the narrative structure here? Why are we here? Where are we going? What's going on?

Yeah, season two, episode seven, if memory serves, which is I realized part way through that I hope we had enough of you referencing the Mandela effect because it's the point where we realized that Perry is still pretty deep in believing something weird is going on. Digby is out trying to find himself. I'm out trying to find Digby. We had a little cameo from Mark Norman, which I thought was really fun to have Mark show up and just act in an episode.

It was great, too.

It was. It was really good. I was surprised, and his audio sounded fantastic.

Yeah, his audio was awesome. His delivery was great. But no, it was just a fun, multi-perspective switching episode where none of us were together. None of the original crew is together in this one. But we all seem to be headed towards the same place.

We all are.

And that's an old, familiar place.

And we do need to start the hashtag trend of #kitestring.

#kitestring is stronger than you think.

There we go.

Is that.

What you meant? Yeah, I think so. It's multipurpose.

I don't know where that scene came from, really, aside from just being like- It came from your head. I'm not in this episode. Where would I check for Digby? I guess Mark's house. What would happen there? So it was fun.

Wouldn't we have Digby microchipped? I mean, he was with the vet for weeks, right?

I guess that's a good point. And he has some implant, and you would imagine that there is some tracking thing to do.

That, wouldn't you? Yeah, it's like a find my phone type of thing for Digby.

Here's the thing about that, though, is that the moment you start to try and pick apart any logical inconsistency in this show, it entirely falls apart because he's a talking raccoon and nobody mentions that. Like, Andrew Peck is like, incredibleist that Digby thinks he's an AI, but has no reaction to Digby being a talking raccoon. He's like, But you're not an AI. That's stupid. You're just a talking raccoon like normal.

You know what? I never even thought of that. It's interesting, the little things that we just let go by whenever we decide to suspend belief.

Yeah. It's like whatever is okay and consistent in the universe, you won't question. But that hit me partway through editing. I was like, Why is he so weirded out by the AI part of this?

I did love the little raccoon feet, the single paced feet as he was walking down the road.

Yeah, that was cute. Yeah, that was cute. That was fun. I had a very clear mental image. I really want to animate some of our episodes. I feel like that would be cool because I'm always picturing a cartoon.

The artwork that I did for Digby, Hitchhiking, I had actually created two weeks ago.

Really? Yeah. And so I think we had very similar pictures in our heads.

Yeah, because that was awesome. You posted that into the chat channel and you're like, How's this for episode art? And I was like, That looks so good. That's literally how I was picturing it. His little backpack walking down the side of the road.

I know. His backpack isn't the same size as it was in the previous episode, though. In the previous episode artwork, it was like the same size as Digby. So somehow-.

Well, I had to leave some stuff behind.

Yeah, I think he realized that that's not going to be manageable.

Oh, yeah. This episode is obviously late if you're listening to this in the order, like in the current time of when it comes out. Yeah, very late. It was supposed to be Monday, and it came out on Thursday.

Technically really late Wednesday night. If you were Pacific time, it was before midnight.

That's true.

But it was a lot of chaos, a lot of stuff going on in that episode. I think you could be forgiven.

Yeah. There's a lot of moving parts. And then Thanksgiving and then the week preceding the drop was tricky. There's just a lot happening. So the production of it was tight, but I think it came out good. I think it came out really good.

Yeah, that's the problem with being a small group of people working on things, and you have a production that's this big, and the aspirations of what we're trying to go for is that every now and then, you just hit the end of your ability to produce the thing that you want within the time that's given.

Yeah. And that was tough. But hopefully, that only matters for this week because then the episode exists and people won't know that it was late. Exactly. Yeah. So I maybe shouldn't have said anything.

As someone who's very close to, well, as close as one could be to the production, I think the speculation channel and the Discord should be going nuts for this stuff because the actual state of you putting together these episodes is being reflected in the story at the same time.

That is true.

There's a suspension of disbelief, but also an opaque mirror to reality that gets added to the lore of digital folklore when this stuff happens.

So Yeah, that's a good point because we are writing it in.

Yeah. And a couple of things, though. I don't know what the speculation channel is that you're talking about. Right. Number two.

I didn't want to say anything. Yeah, but I was just going to let that slide. Yeah, whatever. I've never seen that channel.

Number two, I really do hope that Digby is okay. I mean, he's not in your studio right now. I'm looking around.

Yeah, I know, Digby's-.

He's usually chomping on some chips in the background. Your noise reduction is really good.

We will find him. I'm pretty sure Digby is okay. Obviously, Digby is microchipped, as we were talking about off the air. We know that Digby is okay.

I'm thinking about this, though. Even if he is microchipped and we've got the equivalent of... I'm trying to find my phone with him. You dropped your phone. You have no access to your phone right now. How are we.

Going to find him? That's true. Well, I saw him in the car, so I can just.

Follow the car. Did you take down a license plate number?

No, but I- You called the car. Actually, I'm curious. Did you picture the car that Andrew was driving when you listened?

I did. I didn't picture necessarily the one that rendered in the AI, but it was close enough. I was picturing this old Beatrice car, like a Jalopian-type thing. I don't even know what a Jalopy looks like. I just know it's one of those references when people talk about old Beater cars.

I love me a good Jalopy. I was picturing him in a Honda Accord, just like a very standard car. Actually, I think I got sounds for a Honda Accord that are what is running... Oh, I'm sorry. His approach sounds are from a Ford probe, but a bunch of the other sounds that are from a Honda Accord.

Nice.

So I was trying to keep that consistent.

Yeah.

Sounded good. But that's how we can recognize the car. If it sounds like a cross between a Ford probe and a Honda Accord, I'll just follow that.

And the other thing is, though, I don't know a lot about Andrew Peck, but he's apparently a really nice guy that had just slowed down, pick up, hitchhike in Wildlife. Then the other thing is he's got a really good repertoire for music just living in his head.

Yeah. That actually him, that little-.

The tune? Yes.

Like Pia Colada. Yeah. The name of that song is different.

Yeah, let me look it up.

Is it just the Pina Colada song?

No, it's definitely got a different name.

Escape. Escape, yeah.

Escape, the Pina Colada song. That wasn't in the script. It was just like, Andrew hummed some ind distinct tune. And then we were doing the interview. He was like, Wait, can I hum the Pina Collada song? And then he just kept going. It's edited out, but in the middle, he's like, I'm just going to keep going. Every time we start a scene, I'm going to be humming the song. That was so funny, and I was so happy that he did that. It was really good. I think that worked out super good. Andrew's acting was really awesome.

As well. Yeah, he just threw himself into it, which was great because I think we gave him the script an hour before or something. It was really, really short notice. And we're like, Oh, and we'd love for you to run these lines, which is probably some of the most extensive line work we've given to anybody so far.

Yeah, the most lines for sure out of any interview guest. And it was totally a shot in the dark because I was like, I don't know how Andrew will feel about this, but I have a high hope that he'll be excited. And then he was and nailed it. So that.

Was cool. There were a couple of things that came together well for that. Number one, turns out he was a theater kid. And so he was like, Oh, yeah, I can bring that to this. The other is he seems to have had one of the better audio setups for a random guest that we would try to interview. His audio was fantastic. And it's like everything came together perfect for Andrews. Yeah. And should we mention the bonus? Andrew is like a throwback to an early.

Episode, right? Yeah, the first episode one. I mean, we mentioned it in the episode too, which I think was super cool because when we did episode one, it would have felt impossible to interview Andrew Peck because we were like, We don't know anybody. And he was a big name and his research. His piece, Tall, Dark, and Loathsome, was something we referenced a bunch in that. I think that that ending quote was from Andrew Peck.

The ending quote was from that, yeah, because he was talking about all the interviews that he took in the months after that. I remember we released that episode. Because we didn't know a lot of people in the folklore community yet, we essentially interviewed podcasters that talked about folklore. Then we had also gotten- Vivian Asinos. Yeah, Vivian. We had essentially like Chelsea Webbersmith, who's a podcaster. We had the folks from Endless Thread who are podcasters. Then we had Kathleen Hale, who was promoting a book at the time that just worked out. So the publicist was able to get that done. And that was actually through Chelsea, a reference with Chelsea.

Yeah, they hooked us up.

And then we had Vivian Asemus was the real folklore that we had on that episode.

Yeah, and Vivian was awesome.

And she was. But being able to get somebody like Andrew was way out of our bailiwick at that point because we hadn't established any real credibility. But the cool thing that happened is that episode dropped, and within a couple of days, Andrew Peck emailed us and said, A colleague heard this, mentioned that I was referenced, and I just wanted to share my appreciation and give you my support and say that you did a great job and all that stuff. And that was really, really heartening for us, I think, as validating.

Yeah, that was so cool. And then to eventually, way later at this stage, have him join on an episode was.

Super cool. Yeah. It took forever to get that scheduled between our stuff. And then his family was expanding, and he needed to take a few months off from any things like that, from any podcasting or anything else. And so we finally got that scheduled, and it was, I think, perfect.

And Matt, you cut down Andrew's interview. Andrew had a bit of a propensity for.

Curse words. He did. And I actually, throughout a few of the episodes, some of the listeners would know that a couple of words have slipped through the cracks. And so I've got a process in place now to try and find them through transcription. The way that Andrew weaved the swear words into the episode, the transcription still picked up the words, even though they were bleeped. So I.

Don't- How far is proficient? Yeah.

So I don't know if contextually, how he blends them together in terms of AI data sets. And he's trained planet Earth to know when he's going to swear, I don't know.

Right. I wonder if training data for machine learning-based transcription things has included stuff that was bleeped, and so it thinks that these words can be pronounced either fully or can be the first parts pronounced, then there's a beep in the middle, and then the last part, and it's the same word. Probably so. I wonder if that's... You know more about AI and training than I do, Perry. Is that at all feasible?

I have no idea. I'm not going to claim any knowledge, but there's this cool study on linguistics that Cambridge University did a while back. If you have the first letter and the last letter of the word, the middle letters can be complete gibberish, and you still can read it fluently without any issues. And so I'm wondering if there's the AI equivalent of that. The first letter and last letter are intact, so that you give context for people that want to hear that. But then the middles bleeped out. But then the AI goes, Oh, I know what that is.

Right, and fills that in.

Yeah. I think that all those context clues probably really make a big difference. I mean, the other thing is that if anybody knows how to hack that system, that would be Andrew, because he is in the communications department for the university that he speaks at. He's a folkloreist that specializes in media and communication. So he would definitely know how to slip that stuff in.

Yeah, he can communicate his swear straight through our censorship.

But it was really interesting to hear his perspective as a journalist, the idea that he's not a huge fan of the way that AI has traveled in the way things have gone and how the Mandela effect itself, which is being leaned into as a topic in more recent episodes with you guys, that he's not a huge fan.

Yeah. We had no idea that he would have that perspective on the Mandela effect. We assumed that he was going to come at it from a traditional vocal or perspective and talk about some of the interesting meanings that come with that. And it's like, no, he's coming at that from a journalistic and truth-telling perspective. He's like, no, that's a cop out.

It's an excuse for people to say what they think is actually wrong is actually just an alternate view.

Yes.

I really liked that. I thought that was instantly I was compelled.

He had such passion. What did he just did? He leaned into it so hard.

Yeah. And then that interview, we replaced all of the questions with digby questions, which I don't think I communicated that to you when you were doing the cut down, Matt.

No, but I figured someone was going to be in there doing it. And if Digby is getting in a car and not letting you know where he is, I should have inferred, at least that Digby would be doing it. But it worked out in the end. I think I tried to tee it up to make it as simple as possible to just drop those lines in.

It was. It was really easy to replace those. I say really easy. It was tedious and tricky because getting someone to voice act Perry and Mai's unplanned questions and then also rephrasing them and stuff, that was a process. But you did make it really easy. Your edit made it so much easier to do that.

Yeah, but it was so compelling.

Yeah. And we have that whole unplug, which I'm not going to go through and replace all of those. Sorry. No. And the unplug, that will just be the OG audio.

It will be. And the other thing is that people on our Discord did make the comment that Jigby is an incredibly skilled interviewer for a raccoon.

Yeah, I feel like he's about as good as two people who are medium okay at it put together.

Maybe.

I'm just kidding. I know I thought that was a funny comment to see in the Discord. Diggby is a pretty good interviewer. It made me happy. It makes you feel better about our interviewing style.

Yeah, it should make Diggby happy, too.

Yeah. I'll have to make sure that I pass that on so that he knows.

Digby, come back to.

The show. Right. You're a valuable contributor. Yeah. And Andrea Keatis' interview was awesome, too. That one went so many different places. We recorded that right after season.

One ended. And like I said in the main episode, we're really looking forward to releasing the unplugged version of that because it did go in so many different places. And she's such a wealth of knowledge in this space.

Yeah. And I really like the way she explains things. Actually, as I was playing it out loud, Brooke was like, Who is that person? And I was talking about Andrea and Brooke. She sounds like a really good teacher. And I agree that I feel like Andrea's the way that she puts together her answers really helped a lot of things click when we were doing the interview for me. The Unplugged is going to.

Be super great. Yeah. We even said in the full interview at the very end, we commented on the fact that she has such a good and succinct way of answering some of those questions. She's really learned how to soundbite a lot of that stuff and complete a thought, which is a really good skill.

Yeah. Completing a thought is a skill I'm still working on fully.

One of the things that resonated with me after editing it is that it didn't make it into the episode. It'll be in the unplug. That the way that she approaches understanding folklore, she buries herself in it to the point where sometimes people don't like the way that she approaches it.

Yeah, I thought that was interesting.

People are mad at her on both sides.

Yeah. In a position of apathy or of participation, both of those meant that she was making enemies, but it was all with the.

Goal of- In pursuit of figuring out what it all means, right?

Yeah, that's it.

Yeah, I thought that I forgot about that because I haven't listened to the Unplugged at it. And we did it, and we did it. It was so long ago. I forgot about that because there's a whole section where she talked about... I think it was when we brought up the interventionist versus non-interventionist thing, right? Yeah. Because that's a debate that was going on. Yeah, anyway, that'll be in the unplugged and people, you who are listening will like that.

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Fun Facts.

I think we've already mentioned a couple of fun facts, though, right?

Yeah, there's been a lot of fun facts.

Oh, here's a fun fact. We have an Andrew and an Andrea. So that almost sounds very planned as well. We have derivatives of the same name contributing into the same narrative, all in pursuit of a final goal.

Alphabetical order, too.

Oh, my gosh. Yeah, you're right. I just had to puzzle through that in my head. I was like, A, A, N, N, okay. It took me to realize the last letter. It's just the last letter. Yeah, we did. We had them in alphabetical order. Andrea and Andrew.

And then, Kita and Peck.

I should be able to know the alphabet so much faster than I do. I'm 29 years old.

Do you have to sing the alphabet song in your head?

Yeah, I had to start with K and it was like, L, M, N-O. Oh.

Maybe the fun fact for me, introducing to the audience is that I have a propensity to drill down on small details that make people uncomfortable, maybe.

You've got the Sherlock brain going on because of your exposure to ARGs where you're like, Oh, okay. This packaging has two corners folded over. That means something.

Yeah, absolutely. It's a burden in life when you're always looking for the most obscure part of a thing and it informs nothing but creates a conversation for half an hour.

Well, that's probably a good thing, though, because then you're noticing more interesting things in your day-to-day life.

But then people realize that they don't know the alphabet in order anymore.

Yeah, you're just peeling apart the fabric of my very carefully constructed delusion I'm living within. That's okay.

But something in all seriousness for this episode I think is interesting is that the contributing interviews, I can still listen to an episode and enjoy it, even though I've edited the majority of the content that goes into it, usually for the interview stuff.

It.

Always impresses me the amount of sound design and stuff like, This isn't a fun fact. This is just me talking about how cool you guys are. But the sound design that goes into this show was ridiculous. And the fact that the quality ramped up for this episode when Digby was away, I don't know what that means.

Perhaps Digby is not actually all that helpful.

Or maybe there was just less tape consumed in his absence.

But yeah, it's just- Yeah. The thing is, whenever he puts together a good sound design sequence, he eats it. So it's like, Oh, we get the worse. He's very good.

He's like, This is amazing. I have to consume it now. Right.

Delicious.

Yeah, it's funny because I have an inverse experience where I will listen to it after the fact and be like, This interview is actually really interesting, now that I'm not only listening for sound quality and mix and stuff. Yeah.

And that's a really interesting part of if anyone is curious about editing audio, it sounds simple to just cover everything, but there's a bit of your brain that switches on and the rest just switch off when you edit anything for podcasts. So imagining that you can cut together a story and a narrative and remember what you edited 10 minutes ago and make sure it sounds excellent and make sure that you've got a record for your sofa three weeks down the track so that you will remember what you did. Trying to do all those at once is just such a huge burden. You just can't do it.

Yeah.

And keeping the context in your mind of the interview as you're cutting things out of it and making sure you're keeping things that are included. And yeah, the editing down an interview, the part that you have been doing for the past five, six episodes is the part that is the hardest for me, I think.

Yeah.

I think that's the thing, though, because we touched on this when we were talking about how we edit some of the unplugged episodes and other things and just being intentional about what we're shoving into somebody's ear. We are very authentic in how we do an unplugged episode because we're getting all the context there. We're giving the listener... We're not overwhelming with Jumble and things like that. For me, being authentic is being true to the content and then not giving gibberish to the listener or wasting their time in some way. So if there's a 15-minute conversation like we're prone to have where we just go off in some weird direction, maybe that's interesting to a listener, but maybe it's not. And if I start to think, well, that's not, that kills the point that we're trying to make then maybe cut that out or give that as a bonus episode or something else.

Yeah, I think there's very few times where you can just not.

Edit.

Something, particularly a discussion. Yeah, you're right. We shouldn't go down this path because I couldwe could be derailed forever on this.

But let's just say there will be places in future where we will be able to talk about this stuff and truly expand it.

Yeah, there will be.

I think we could mention that here.

Right. Right. Because we're going to spin up My Podcast Journey, which is a show about podcasting, but not like, Here's how to do podcasting. It's just like, Here's what we're trying and what we're seeing and what other people we talk to are seeing and trying.

Yeah.

With the lecturers without chairs swung backwards sitting on them in front of you, telling you how it is. Yeah.

But without any of the youth pastor energy that my brain immediately assigns to that.

I just thought of The Simpsons.

Oh, okay. Yeah, see, that's better.

The Opul crusade or whatever that silly skit was. But bringing it back to digital folklore, I think everything we've just talked about is epitomized by the fact that you have a van that records podcast interviews for you, but that you are also represented on the show editing the content that appears there.

You can have both those things. Yeah. And then also somehow Mason's house is wired to record because I don't know how we're- Or it's not. Or it's not. Maybe reality is recording.

There's a lot of questions that are a little bit loose and that I don't really expect anyone to be paying attention to, but the fact that when the phone fell into the moat around Mark's house, why did we follow the phone's perspective? Is that what's picking up the audio? Are we being spied on by our phones? Is that what's recording us? That was a little detail that I was hoping someone might say in.

The- Oh, full circle to Mark Zuckerberg.

Yeah, full circle all the way back to Mark Zuckerberg. Then, baby teeth. That's what it all comes back to.

Baby teeth, revenge.

Sweet baby, Raids.

Sweet baby, Raids.

Revenge of the Zuck.

I think we've smelled the mouth enough. We should probably move to our listener shoutouts.

All right, listener shoutouts. I've got a couple that I pulled up. We already mentioned some of the discussion on Discord, so I think we're good there. But there were a couple of things that came in in the Q&A on Spotify. So if you're a Spotify listener, you probably know this, but you can answer questions. We just use the generic question, which is basically, what did you think about this episode? We may have refined those questions in the future or add polls or something like that. But right now, this is doing the trick for us. And we got four over the past couple of weeks, and so I want to read those real quick. This first one is from Aaron, and Aaron was commenting on the unplugged for Dr. Christina Downs. Aaron says, It's not that I don't enjoy the regular episodes, but I do love an unplugged. Dr. Downs is a fascinating guest, and I 100 % want to buy her book.

I think that's good. Christina Downs is awesome, and I'm very glad.

Apparently, Christina Downs is also going to start doing The Cry Moiler podcast again. So fingers crossed that becomes a thing.

How did you hear about that? I didn't hear that.

I think I saw it on Twitter or X or whatever we're calling it these days.

I don't use that site anymore. Yeah. That makes sense.

Yeah, it's a hellscape at this point. Potentially even worse, now that Elon Musk did that weird New York Times interview the other day where he told all advertisers to F themselves.

Oh, did that? I have not caught wind of that. I've been delightfully ignorant because I've decided that I just don't use it.

You need to find that clip.

It's so bad. He's soapboxed with the idea that the rest of planet Earth will know why Twitter crashed if it fails.

It'll be because advertisers are blackmailing him-.

Right, that's it. -by not giving him money.

Essentially, Twitter is owed money by companies around the world because of what Twitter is. And it's not that advertisers should be able to put their money where they want to into the platforms that they want to advertise their goods and services.

It's because they hate Elon Musk specifically, right? For no reason. Right. That's what it is. Yeah, he's a poor guy, so persecuted. I feel so bad for him.

Little baby, man. That was a disturbing interview to watch. And I used to really have a lot of respect for Elon. And I think that some of the companies that he has headed, and a lot of the employees that are there are doing really, really good work. Oh, yeah. I don't want to say bad things about a company or the employee base because the head or the figurehead has gone off the rails a few times. There's some really good work being done by Tesla and SpaceX and the boring company and X from the people that are really dedicated to making that platform good. But there's also been a lot of things that are disturbing to watch with Elon.

Yeah. There's a lot of people doing important and really cool and groundbreaking work in the spaces that this guy got this guy heads. And it's not their fault that he is the way he is.

And sometimes you decide to work at a place despite some of the leadership because you believe in the mission or the possibilities of whatever that company is doing.

I recently went to a wedding of one of my friends who worked at SpaceX for a long time and did some really cool stuff there, sending things into orbit, building satellites and parts out of stuff off the shelf from Home Depot and sending it to space for different things. That's so cool. It's really cool. All right, SpaceX is doing cool stuff.

Anyway. Yeah, I got three more Spotify comments, Reed. One is from Camden and just says, Love the scary episodes. This was in response to an after the episode discussion that we had for the last one, where we had asked people what they want to hear more of. And if we're going to produce more stuff, what would it be? And we talked about doing some deep dive episodes into certain things like case studies. Camden apparently loves the scary episodes and would like for us to lean into some of that as well.

I have an idea for something like that that I want to run by. Well, I'll do it, though, because I don't know. All right.

We're back. That sounds like a great idea.

Okay, cool.

All right. Then Alfredo Frog says, I love screen names.

Me too.

Says, Love the after-episodes, keen for more case studies too, and more of everything, really. Seeing a new digital folklore in my feed is always the highlight of my day.

Awesome. That makes me really happy to hear that. It does. Also, Alfredo frog is a great screen name.

It is. I'm thinking about Alfredo sauce with frogs.

Yeah, I'm thinking of a frog that's Alfredo colored, and that's just cute.

I should ask, as an Australian, potentially, are you too familiar with the Fredo frog?

No.

Wait.

Is this an.

Australian animal? I wasn't. No, it's not an animal. It's a product. It's a chocolate Cadbury product, Freddo frog.

It's just.

A frog-shaped chocolate, essentially.

I've pulled up pictures.

Like the chocolate frogs from Harry Potter.

So that tells me that it doesn't exist there. It means that you guys wouldn't know about the caramelow koala either, right?

No. Is Australia particularly trying to make animals into chocolate because all the animals are trying to kill you down there?

I think it's a memory thing. Some of our animals are going extinct, which you guys know, the Tasmanian tiger.

Yeah, the Tasmanian tiger. I didn't know, koalas aren't.

In danger. Where are they? They were in the bushfires a couple of years ago. Oh, wow. Half their population got cut out.

But.

My argument falls through when you realize the caramel, koala has existed for probably about 35 years. In any case.

So the way that you want to remember extinct animals is by eating them?

Isn't that the way you want to remember all animals? Yum, yum, yum, yum, yum.

That's how you define humanity, isn't it? We are a species of consumption.

Yeah.

I'm so sorry that that thing died out. Let me eat it again. Let me resurrect it, memorialize it, and then eat it.

Yeah. At my funeral, I want someone to make a chocolate effigy of me, and I want the guest to eat it. That's how I want.

To be. I want to take the Michael Cryton, Jurassic Park DNA extract stuff out of a dinosaur fossil so that I can grow that in the lab and then turn it into meat that I eat. Oh, wow. That's what I would love.

Have some impossible peri. Delicious.

I don't like how well that works. Yeah.

All right. And then we had a comment from Veruca Gas that says, I like the after-shows too. Also, I would love case studies, especially one on AI cryptics like Lobe.

That's a fun idea. I would like to do that. It'd be cool to just focus down on a short amount of time on one specific thing like Lobe and just pick a couple of aspects to explore specifically about folklore, tell what it is. I think that's like a folklore curious, right? That would be a.

Good-i think so. Yeah. Okay, so that's it for Spotify comments. We did not get any other new reviews on Apple Podcasts.

On that note, what to look for in the next episode, we're going to do a recap episode. Well, there's the unplugged, right? We'll have an unplugged drop and then a recap episode of the story so far, where we're at, what's led us to where we are, trying to make it make sense for everybody, for anyone who might be like a little uncaught up or whatever. Just here's all the big beats. This is what's happened. This is the moving forward. It's the idea is that about right, Perry? Is that what you're thinking too?

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. So for listeners, we did talk about the current episode coming out a little bit late, so there's a dual purpose there. One is to get us a little bit of production time back in our schedule. And then the other one is we know that when somebody comes across the show that they may not want to go all the way back to episode one and try to catch up, that they want to just pick and choose where they are or start with the current episode and move from there. And so we do want to give a really good recap episode. And with that recap episode, replay some of the pivotal plot points that are there and some of the fun points. And then just Mason and I talk about what the heck we were thinking when we put those together, because some of that was pure reaction and having to have a script at a certain time. And some other other parts were very intentional. And some other parts are things that we want to remind you of because they may have a payoff later. Right.

And there's some things that were complete accidents that fully shaped the identity of the show that'll be fun to reveal as complete accidents.

Exactly.

I can't think of Diggby's existence at all. But we'll talk about.

That later. We mentioned that a little bit in the Falkwise episode that we did. We did. The fact that Diggby was just an interesting happenstance.

Yeah. We'll save that full story for the story so far episode, but we should retell it because I like it a lot.

I feel really, really privileged to have been able to meet Todd before he got big.

Yeah, right? Back before Todd was a much, much bigger deal.

Yeah.

Feels like such a long time ago now.

Arguably, Todd may have peaked in the '80s. We don't really know this.

I'd go back and check out that pawnshop there.

I know, right? It does sound pretty cool, but I hate Porn Shops. So a couple of interesting facts that came out of our Spotify recap, which I guess is why Spotify does these so that people talk about it and drive people to Spotify. We were streamed in 62 different countries, which is cool.

That's more than I can name.

Us is our top country, which is no surprise. Top five countries were US, Australia, UK, Canada, and New Zealand.

Solid. Spotify knows about my bot farm. Damn. They do.

Okay, I think we've gone long enough with this one. I know we all have work to do to get ready for the next episodes that we're working on. And other people have other podcasts in their queues that are waiting for them to be listened to. So thanks so much for everybody listening. Thank you to everybody out there giving comments and reviews on Pinterest, and we will see you on the next one. I don't even know what the right terminology is to use there, but we'll be in your ears again.

It's just like the nature of the narrative of this show. We can't really pick that apart. We will see you soon. Yes. I think we should just go with that. We don't have to worry about what that means, but we'll see you soon.

We part in peace.

Yes, we part in peace, and we will return. Enjoy the next thing that plays out of the device that is playing this now.

Thank you. Love you, Diggby.

You've got me. You've got me. You've got me. You've got me.

I'm Perry Carpenter.

And I'm Mason Amadeus.

And this is Digital Falklor.

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