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Gotta go. Bye. Is this thing on? Bonnie, who used to be a former sex worker and now hosts the podcast Dumb blonde. Most little girls grow up wanting to be doctors and lawyers and shit. And I was like, I wanna be super hot, make a lot of fucking money, and be a rock star's wife. That was my goal as a child. And here we are. Yeah, that's right. What's up, you sexy motherfuckers? Welcome to another episode of Dumb blonde. Today I have a mother daughter duo, which is a first for me because I normally don't do mother daughter duos, but these two have grown up together in the public eye, and I figured, what better duo to bring on then Sophia and Farrah Abrams.

Yes, I know what a good duo. That is true. I feel like we've definitely grown up together. I am her mom, but, yes, I.

Just want to say you look beautiful.

Thank you.

I feel like the tabloids attack you so much for, like, work that you get done. And, I mean, you know, they attack me too, so I know how it feels, but it's like seeing you in person. I'm like, you look fucking gorgeous. Like, what are they talking about?

Yeah, thanks. You know, I can't help but social media cameras look like. That cracks me up because literally, as we're flying in here, I'm like, Sophia, someone tagged me on this crazy, like, artwork of my botched face that doesn't look like my botched face. I'm like, this is funny today. This gives me some laughter. Sofia is just, like, laughs at it too. But I'm like, I'm really happy. I don't do much work. I take things out of my face. I really am on a journey of really getting back to myself. And so it's kind of funny when I just do a live and our cameras are weird and people think I've gone crazy with plastic surgery, but that's not the case.

Well, I figured it out because I went down a wormhole just, like, reading, and it's because you use filters. And so that's honestly the same thing was happening to me. People were like, how much work have you had done? And I'm like, bro, I've had botox and fucking a little bit of filler.

And my lips done.

Like, what are they talking about?

And that's because it's gone.

The filters that we use make us look like we have way more work done than we do because you're sitting here and you look gorgeous.

Just like, I do have my Farah filter that has, like, had billions of hits. And I love it. And if I don't like to get ready that day, I will totally use that.

Yeah. What have you had done so that we can clarify that with everybody?

Well, I, you know. Okay, so I will just say I have had a nose job. I have had a chin implant. I. And then I just dabble here and there with fillers at times that go, you know, they stay. They go. But I also, like, was trying to do a lip implant, and I was on botch the show because I almost died from that, so. And I took out my chin implant, but for some reason. Take out the chin. Yeah, I took out my chin implant, and for some reason, people always go back and compare. Farah looks great like this with the face that had a chin implant, a swollen nose from a surgery. Just. I was actually really depressed at that year of my life. Like, that was the most. What's it called? Like, when you're just the lowest. Your lowest point yeah, it's like a face dysmorphia. Like when you. Dysmorphia. I had that at that time when I had that chin implant. And so for people to say, oh, we love Farrah better, then when I was definitely, like, anti myself and peer pressured and just like, oh, I want to look good, that was just, like, way too much.

So I love my face now. I love who I am. I love coming back to myself, maybe like, just rejuvenation and skin tightening and really taking care and upkeep of myself is what I pride myself on. And that's like good self love.

There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah, I think people get it twisted. They're like, when women get filter fillers and both talks and stuff like that, they're like, oh, she must be unhappy with herself. And it's like, no, I like to invest in myself. Your body is an investment.

It is an investment.

It's a temple. You gotta dress it up or dress it down, whatever you wanna do, but it's your body to do that with. Well, yeah, enough about your looks. I just wanted to hone in on that because I feel like the tabloids just tear you apart for that. And that's not fair, you know? So I don't like that at all. But, Sophia, we have you sitting here too. How are you doing, baby?

I'm doing good.

She just got her tongue pierced, so she said she doesn't want to talk a lot. The tongue piercing actually caused a ton of contrast.

I know people hate a lot on, like, every single piercing I get, and it's just, like, chill. Like, it's not that big of a deal, you know? But I do know some people are really strict about that growing up, and. But it's just me. And I feel like getting piercings enhances my looks, and I feel really confident about them, and I make sure to get ones that I know I would actually look good in. So, yeah, I'm confident in my piercings, and I love them, and they are all healing really good.

I love it. Yeah, I love that.

I went through a piercing phase when I was young too. I did it behind my parents back, though, because they wouldn't allow it. How do you feel about everybody just questioning your parenting because you let your kid get, what is it, a tongue piercing and snake bites?

Yeah, good point. Bunny Segway into how I feel. So we've had parents even come with us to the piercing place, like, on her birthday, and I do see the psychological, like, spiral that other parents go through when they're seeing Sofia choose this consent to do this, I have to sign off as a parent and give consent to it. And I'm not there to freak out, go in a spiral, like, shame, blame, reject my child. I am here to make sure my child's seen she is safe and she is supported. So if those three things are always top of mind, then I know that what I'm doing, the footsteps that I'm walking in, my parent journey, are right where they need to be for my child. So, yeah, I could say a lot about other parents and what they feel about me and my daughter's friends parents, but I also know once they calm themselves and maybe do a therapy session, they usually text me and really are like, wow, you open my eyes to parenting in a different way.

I love that.

Yeah. I was never the girl, though. I was never the kid growing up to be like, could I get a piercing? Could I get a tattoo? Could I get this? Could I get that? It was just. No one ever had any of those things growing up, and so I just never thought about it. And when I'm, like, famous and people are just like, I'll give you free this free this free this free tattoos. Like, I could tattoo up my whole body. I could do all that. I just. Myself, personally, I'm not prepared for that. But I see, like, Sophia is prepared. She's at that point in her mental state in her life, and she can do that. And I am not the person to. I don't know. I've just gone through this whole thing with a lot of legal battles that I am going through, and I learned so much about consent culture and leading with that and allowing someone to have their will, their rights, their freedoms. And I think that's just very important on maybe the littlest things, like a piercing or tattoos. And so I'm just, again, those three things, seeing safe, supported, that's all I need to be for my child.

I never thought that I would agree with you more. I totally feel the same way because I feel like in this generation of parenting and children, because we have a 16 year old, she's about to be 16. There's so much more. You got to choose your battles. There is so much more shit that these kids could get into, excuse my language, that these kids could be getting into. And it's like, if they want to get a piercing, they're going to. It's either it's a phase or it's not. I kept mine for 20 years. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, if Bailey wants to come to me and get a piercing, that's gonna make me happy. Cause she could be, like, doing other things that are way worse behind her parents back, and I just totally agree with that. I think making kids feel seen and heard and letting them be who they wanna be and having free will is an amazing route to go. How do you feel about that? Do you love that your mom lets you get piercings and stuff like that? Yeah.

I'm very grateful that she supports all my decisions and my piercings.

We love your look. We were just talking about it. I was like, if I could look like Sophia, I would. Cause that's really how I look on the inside.

I love Sophia's look too, and I'm happy with whatever look she decides and what she loves. Yeah, I just feel like I was just raised in a different way. Like, I was called a witch for wanting a rhinoplasty. I like.

By your mom.

Yeah, by my mom. So I know that that doesn't give anyone self worth, like, feeling worthy, and that is number one. When you're getting, you know, if you have fame or if you have anything, your self worth needs to be built up so that you are not vulnerable for other things. Like, I was very much predator don and still dealing with some of those problems. So I'm just trying to set up a next generation to have that sacred. Yeah. That safe place, be seen, know who they are, and not seek that in other people.

Not seek validation in other people. Speaking of moms, would you consider your mom your best friend?

I mean. Yeah, she's my mom.

I am your mom.

My best friend.

Yeah.

Thank you, Sophie.

I love you. You're so dark. You're so cute. I'm so cold, but I want to give you a hug.

Aw.

I love you, honey. I love you.

You guys have pretty much grown up together. Yeah. The world has watched both of you guys grow up. Like, literally, you as a baby, you have grown up in front of the world, and I think that's why everybody is so obsessed with. With you now. Like, you're kind of like the new it girl on TikTok right now, because everybody's like, what's Sophia doing?

Sophia does not like to show much that she does. So, yeah, that could be the emo in her, but, yes, I'm not emo.

I'm goth.

Oh, goth. That could be the goth in her.

Describe to us. Explain to us what the difference between emo and goth is. Just in case people at home don't.

Know so I do know that there is many types of goth goths out there. Like, traditional goth and just. I would say regular goth, but emo is, like, regular dark clothes, I feel like, and accessories. I mean, today I'm kind of emo because I didn't want to go all out. But goth, I feel like, is, like, black dresses, corsets, and lots of jewelry, sometimes belts. I follow a lot of goth people on TikTok, and they are so cool. I admire them, and I want to be, like, traditional goth. I feel like one day, but, yeah, today I'm kind of emo, I would say.

I love goth. I love emo. I love it all. I always thought it was music selection. I always thought. Mimi, haven't we talked about this before? Isn't, like, emo and goth, like, music selection? Isn't it music and interest of, like, the culture?

Because I got emo culture is significantly different than a gothic culture.

Like, what your interests are in, per se of those things, and their music is completely 50 50 different, right?

Yes.

That's awesome. Farrah, do you feel like you are having an opportunity to be the mom that you never had with Sophia?

Yeah, I mean, I don't know if it's the opportunity to be the mom that I never have, but I have one opportunity to be the best parent that I can be in my life. I have no competition with my mom, my grandma, my sister. I have no competition with anyone to be the best mom. I am running my own race and being the best parent that I can be. And I was given, like, eye opening experiences in my lifetime to say, like, I'm not repeating that with my child. So, like, public school, it wasn't going to be repeated. I had a superintendent as a neighbor. No matter how much we push and push and push to have a better, safer public school environment, it just never happened for me. Like, fights, bad situations, and I guess, like, when, like, a public or governmental system fails, I take it upon myself to just lead. So I found, like, best homeschooling practices and whatever else, like, for Safiya's career, those type of things. I don't know. No one's laid out the. No one's laid out that path, so I definitely am. Just, like, I'm on this journey and figuring out as fast and as best as I can.

I don't think anybody knows how to be a parent. I inherited a child, and we're still figuring it out. You know, we got full custody of Bailey seven years ago, and there. Nobody gives you a handbook and says, hey, this is how you have to be a parent. And there's also no one size fits all to being a parent. That's right.

Yeah.

Every child is different.

Yes.

Every emotion, every personality, every. It's just all different. And so I think what? I think as long as Sophia is happy and healthy and feels like she's safe, that's. You're already winning.

Yeah.

And do you feel these things, Sophia? Yes. She's shaking her head over here. Yeah.

I mean, everyone is different. I mean, I got Sophia's brain scanned and I got my brain scanned from doc.

Amen.

Right, doctor. Amen.

How was that? Cause I was gonna do that with him too, but I check it out.

Yeah. It is life changing. I feel like that is literally what I mean, to know yourself better than anyone else could tell you who you are. I think that's probably, like, the biggest gift in our journey of life is to know yourself, see yourself fully, not guess from a therapist, and be like, oh, I have this. I'm dealing with this. And, well, let's try to, like, guess. But I also think for children who just aren't diagnosed properly with different AdA compliances, I just was kind of tired of not having the help or the support, and that's why we kept switching schools. Schools. But myself, I found out that I was, like, Ada compliant ADHD, I like when I was 29. And to go through my whole life of people just wrongfully firing me, telling me I'm difficult, like, girls not liking me, my family kind of disowning me, I just was like, I can't be mad at them, I can't dislike them, I can't have hate towards them. But I also know, like, I just need people who are educated around me. I need to thrive. I'm done with all that traumatic crisis behavior and just.

I really want to have education in my journey now as parenting, so.

So you feel like getting that diagnosis helped kind of clear things up for you? Of like, oh, this is why I've acted the way that I've acted, and this is why people have perceived me of how I've been acting.

And I also think, like, dating, when you know, like, what your brain type is and what you like, I think only certain dating shows show, like, oh, this is a pet peeve, and this is what I don't like. But if we really, like, started employing, like, brain matching and, like, those psychological factors, we would find our soulmates faster. We would understand what we need, like, what's going to be a good match for us.

So describe to me, what a brain match is because I would like to know. Yeah.

So doctor Amen has something free on online, and it's like a brain survey and you find your brain type. So I have brain type two. Sophia's ten, right?

Pardon me?

Yeah, Sophia's brain type ten. And it.

Can you describe what they are to me?

Like, what is it?

And what is a ten?

Okay. So part of me with my ADHD and a ton of disorder is like, I will, like, short term memory loss. Like, I can't recite it back. I'd have to look it up. So just being frank. But so mine's like, I don't even know. I forgot, like, the foods, types of friends, types of jobs.

Okay, so it breaks it down like that.

Yeah, they break it down. They kind of make it individualistic and. Yeah. So when I went on this, like, twelve step dating journey and learning how to date again, and we were talking so much, so she was like, go on all these dates. And I stopped doing dating shows because it just was not happening there. And I was, like, talking to these people in depth, like, about intentional dating, like, trying to figure out, like, their brain types. And sure enough, the boyfriend I have right now, he has the same brain type as me. He took the survey and he's gonna get his brain scan.

That's like us with the autism test. We don't everybody that wants to come in our circle and hang out take the autism test, because I am high on the autism thing. So is Haley and so is Mimi. We all.

Oh, I have no idea what?

Oh, I'm gonna give it to you.

Oh, yeah.

What is it?

Rads?

Yeah, you guys take it tonight. No, please. You guys have to take it tonight. And I want to know you guys scores.

Okay, so does this mean everyone has autism?

I mean, I think a lot of us have a splash of it for sure.

For some reason, that didn't show up on my brain scan. I just want to let you know if I can be in your friend group.

Yeah. Does autism show up on brain scans? I wonder if it does or if it doesn't.

I'm not positive about that.

From what I know, he does describe how he diagnoses people with certain levels of autism and many different kind of brains.

Okay, I didn't know that.

I'm trying to think back. Well, anyways, there's graphs. I also did direct neurofeedback for my brain, too, after having a brain scan. And they talked about all different kinds of things to correct it, help those. So I did like 200 sessions of that.

That's amazing. I love that you're always working on yourself.

Yeah, I did a whole year of that. Now I'm kind of done with it. But it was, it was needed.

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This journey that you did a twelve step therapy. Trauma therapy program.

Yeah, I did. In, I think it was. It's gonna be two years in March, I did a trauma twelve step program. I think that's what it was, like, a recovery program, and literally changed my life. So I had the reason why I finally went. I feel like a lot of us don't understand. Like, if you could search up, like, spiritual melody chart. I didn't know what that was at all until I stepped foot in here. But I saw it in life. All of us see it in life. Like, when we're looking at someone going through a hard time, maybe depression, maybe anxiety, all these things. Their spiritual melody is being, like, upset. And when someone reaches such a certain level, they're at risk of harming themselves, death, whatever, attracting a lot of negative things. So at the time when I was going to the trauma center, I was kind of stuck in a repetitive pattern that was attracting a lot of criminal activity to me. And now it's so funny because after the center, I just attract the best people to me.

Right.

So I think that's something to keep in mind if you are feeling like, whoa, I keep dating lots of bad people. I keep, like, being attacked on the street. I keep having a lot of fights and arguments. It's because you need a reset, you need to recover. And a lot of people just don't think they deserve trauma help.

So when you went to that, what was this exact program? Was it like to actually treat, like, childhood trauma? Or was it like, oh, so I.

Was sexually assaulted recently. It wasn't like, in childhood. And I think a lot of the people who I met, they had significant amount of, like, sexual assaults, trauma, those type of things, very deep. Like, veterans were there all sorts of things that they had held on for a very long time. I think with one trauma, like a sexual assault trauma, I don't think I could endure or live if I didn't go get help. So I was like, I need something.

Can you talk about the sexual assault? What happened? Is this the situation that happened with the mayor?

Yeah, I mean, we're, like, really dealing with all that stuff right now.

Yeah.

So I don't mean to, like, hold anything back because I'm sure would help so many people. But I also know, like, we are dealing with someone who is systemic, like, habitually a rapist. So I probably don't want to give any fuel to that. But if we want to just talk about, like, great things for other. I mean, like, honestly, I said to myself this week, because I'm dealing with so many legal issues, I said to myself, I was like, I think I'm going to have to break down and just go get support group because I'm.

Like, it'd be tough to hold all that in and not talk about it.

Yeah, because again, like, rapey vibes, right. Rape culture vibes, opposite of consent, consensual vibes, is lying continually, like, masking. And when you're going through a legal issue and someone's always lying and speaking for you and covering their ass, and it's just like, huh. You know, I can journal about it, but I also, like, I truly like to watch movies that dive into, like, someone making peace, getting past it, and, like, moving on. So it's like, I've made peace with it. I'm trying to move past it. But then you have these legal core problems that just go on four years, like my lawyer said at the beginning. And I just feel, you know, like, my heart goes out to so many other rape victims who are, like, going through this stuff for years. It's just. It's really tedious.

Yeah. It's very hard. I do think talking about it, like you said, is probably the best thing, one, for you, therapy, and two, to your. That's your testimony, you know, something that you've survived and that you've gone through. So maybe people are able to connect with you if they, you know, were to. Were to know more details of what had happened or what is going on.

Yeah, I mean, I think it's just. This is sad, but from reading so many legal documents about assaults, because, again, I didn't understand the situation that I became a part of, which was, like, a sexual assault like, problem. And so my lawyers just kept sending me a lot of, like, legal documents to read of, like Jane does. So I, like, would understand what it looks like, why this happens, like, all these things. And then I got so interested in it and so passionate that I was like, oh, I'm gonna go get a legal degree. I went down that, got my paralegal certificate, and I'm getting ready to do a JD in law. But I think the comment, like, this is so weird that this happened at this time in my life, but I saw, like, innocent people not being believed. And then I saw a lot of people who actually lied. This could be men or women lie about being sexually assaulted. And I think learning from lawyers what we're looking at, how we're seeing that, how this comes up, you really know, like, to fight for your truth, to stand firm, because others who lie and kind of, like, predator.

Like, men or women who they claim that they were assaulted by. That's like a whole other psychological thing. So I think there's, like, a lot of trauma work. No matter what, even if you're lying about it, if you're telling the truth. I've been going through all this stuff and breaking that down because I started writing a screenplay about it, and I used it in one of my Harvard classes for screenwriting. And I got to see it, like, acted out with actors and read. And I think maybe just for me, I would feel safer showing that in an artistic form, like a series. And I love watching movies and tv series that really help comfort people who are actually really going through a long, long legal battle with sexual assault. Because I think, like, Sophia showed me some funny episode on shameless about one of the guys, like, pretending that he got sexually assaulted and going in and going through this whole process. And I think sometimes you need someone like my daughter to let you laugh and make light of a really deep, dark situation that I was put on medication for. The medication wasn't helping.

Were you raped?

Yeah.

Okay.

Sexually assaulted or. I don't know what that means to you.

So.

Sorry.

Yeah. I mean, sorry.

I'm like, I don't know if you.

Know what I'm saying. There's so many different falls under that umbrella. A sexual assault. Could be being groped, could be. Oh, this one. Kissed when you don't want to be. Or like this. Like, you. That's why I asked if you were raped.

So this was like, someone. Oh, sorry, I didn't, like, know that. You didn't know that before? Yeah. So there you go. It's like, oh, you know, sometimes you can limit yourself. Cause you don't wanna get too close to the problem at hand. Right. It's vulnerability. So, yeah, I was drugged and woke up, like, thinking, like, did someone set me up? Like, are we both in this together? Who would do this? And then I realized it was him who did that. And I was stark naked, did not know where any of my clothes were. My necklace was broken, all that stuff. And it was just, like, flight. Like, I just, like, ran. I just really didn't know how to behave.

Yeah.

So doing the best you can. And I think for a lot of other sexual assault victims, you do the best you can when you are the crime scene, straight up. It's just like, a lot of people are like, I'm watching crime stoppers and Dateline and all these other criminal shows, but I think I was raised with that too. I love watching criminal shows, too, but, like, when you're in it, it's way different. It was literally, like, sometimes I used to say, like, you know, different red carpets are doing these things. Oh, it's so surreal. Being sexually assaulted and being, like, the crime scene was surreal. That was like. It just felt like my brain and my body was not connected, and so I had to do a lot of therapeutic work. Somatic experiencing work on that.

That's heavy. I've never heard anybody refer to themselves as the crime scene, and that's pretty heavy. That's deep.

Yeah, that's real.

Moving on from that. I've heard you say a bunch of things in there, so let me see if I can catch up. You said you did a screenplay in your Harvard class. So are you attending Harvard or.

So I actually got in an argument with Harvard about my neurodivergence.

Okay.

So even though I'm ada compliant and turn that in. Yeah. So that lady kicked me out. Or not. The lady with screenwriting. She gave me e for exemplary. She, like, raved. She was like, this is what you need to do. And I think sometimes when you are going through trauma, the power of the pen and writing it and kind of sharing it in, like, a theatrical way is, like, that has always been there for me. So, like, even when I was pregnant with Sophia, I lost her father. That was super traumatic for me. I was in acting class at that time, and my acting teacher was like, you need to continue this or just continue going to classes. He's just like, you need to use this as a power. So, if anything, I would say that for people who are going through really traumatic experiences.

So you were going to harvard and then somebody kicked you out?

Yeah, in one of my other classes, neurodivergence was an issue for her.

Okay.

So even though that's against the law in education. Wow. Educational places. So I have found better colleges.

Gotcha.

Yeah.

When you just touched base on her father passing, can we talk about that? Cause you were so young when that happened, and that had to have crushed you. It did.

And you know what? Speaking of the trauma center, I know I went to the trauma center for a recent situation that was traumatic, but I did not know that I should have gone to a trauma center at 16 when I lost her father, because, yes, that's the first time I was put on, like, medication. I was suicidal. Again, not knowing my AdA compliant disability and knowing how to deal with loss, it was just scary. And so, yeah, when I was at the trauma center, I met other women who were there because they lost their boyfriends in traumatic situations and, like, other kind of, like, people who are just lost a lot of people. So I was like, why did I. Why did I not come to the trauma center when I was 16 or pregnant and have all these cool tools now that I have in my mind, in my brain at home? It really probably would have helped me bounce back quicker, maybe from a sexual assault or bounce back quicker from other traumas that I continually have. So I'm just, again, thankful for that.

Circling back to the traumatic experience of losing her father. Do you feel like your mom was not there for you emotionally whenever, because it plays out on the show, you and your mom have a very tumultuous relationship where it's like very on again, off again. And I feel as a viewer that your mom almost wasn't emotionally there for you. And do you feel like that has been like a huge thing in you and your mom's relationship, even to this day?

Yes. You see, like, on this show that maybe my mom and I disagree about a lot of things. I would say in all because I had to, like, really, you know, like twelve step inventory trauma center. You actually write down, it's called the fifth step. You write down anyone you have relationships with. So I'm writing down my mom, I'm writing down my dad, anything. And what came up, just so you know, in those, like, twelve steps and, like, going through relationships and why maybe people saw, like, maybe I didn't feel like my mom was supportive. It's actually way more than just not having support. It's like, was I seen, right? She never saw how much I love someone. She, like, she came up after hearing that he had passed away, that she was happy that he was gone. And I think we might have. We might have our own feelings, like I would with Sophia and her boyfriends in those situations. But I do. I do know that, like, I have reasoning and capability of understanding. Like, someone's. Someone has feelings here and I need to put my stuff to the side. That was crazy.

But a lot of what came up at the twelve step trauma center when you're writing down your relationships, is abandonment. Abandonment, abandonment. And most people will say, well, I didn't abandon you. Like, you were living at my house. I was giving you shelter. I was doing this. But abandonment might come from not being seen, not being feeling safe. I didn't feel safe in that environment. And not being supported. Like we say, just support. But it's really, like a lot of those three things that I said I wanted to do for my daughter that I realized I did not have in my home with my dad, with my mom, maybe with my whole family at large when I look back at it. So there was no surprise. And once I got out of the trauma center, like, I stopped talking to my dad, I stopped talking to my mom. I haven't talked to them in almost. I think my mom, she was like, at 30, is that. Oh, 32. So everyone's been kind of around two years. I've stopped talking to my family. Like, I am so flourishing, happy, independent in my life. And it's good that I got to, again, write down inventory and see why and what.

So there's these prompts about childhood, what I would like to say, do I want to write letters to them? And half the letters I wrote when I was there, no one responded or no one wanted to talk about those things when I got out. So I'm just taught to, like, okay, that's where someone is. They can't meet me, and I have to go live my own life. So that's what I've been doing. It's been really relieving relief.

Does your relationship with your mom affect Sophia's too? Sophia, do you choose to talk. Do we call her grandma?

Mm hmm.

Do you choose to talk to grandma or just be or. Because mom and her don't have a relationship, you choose not to also, honestly.

I'm really comfortable not talking to her at all. And with my grandpa too, it hasn't really bothered me at all not talking to them over the years.

Gotcha.

I'd have to say anything that I do does not need to affect someone else. A lot of the grandparents in my family, I've just noticed a habitual thing where they feel like, Farrah's like, me, I'm the horrible person because I'm making someone else not talk to them. To be completely transparent, I saw that my daughter was being affected by their bad behavior every time that they were around. To not feel loved, to not be heard again as a kid, or just be like. Like, just back and forth stuck between all these. I can't say the word immature. It's just a lack of education, of how to have communication. That's really just such a mess that I was raised in that I knew I did not want that for my daughter. And I was trying to be, like, a good daughter. And, like, I flew my daughter out to Arizona to meet her other grandparents. I've flown her back and forth for 16 years or whatever to, like, see her dad's side of the family. But when you go to a trauma center and you take time for yourself, that is so needed, and everything's quiet and you see, wow, I am such a damn good parent because I'm the only one who's paying, flying, doing no one else is.

It's been over a decade. Like, let's stop this charade.

But more importantly, you're there for your daughter. Like, I don't see you without Sofia. Yeah.

Yeah. Like, I am number one, I think.

And you're making her feel. You're making her feel every way that your parents never did. And to me, that's the sign. A sign of a good parent is breaking generational trauma and generational curses.

Yeah.

And I think you're doing the best that you can all the way.

And so it can be seen transparently of who, what, everything. Genetics, what's going on, why someone might be doing this, why someone might not, and to choose better choices. So Sophia was kind of the one to say, like, I don't want to hang out, or, I need a break from certain grandparents. So the charade of the grandparents continually always acting like I hinder anything. I've. I've seen with clear eyes what it is now.

So. And you just choose to remove yourself from a toxic situation, which. That's not a bad. That doesn't make you a bad person. Especially if you said that you wrote them letters and you were trying to communicate how you were feeling and they completely told you, like, look, I don't want to deal with this right now. So that's not fair to you because it's like, when is the time to deal with it?

And that's fine if they're never there. So I'm just. I'm just like, okay, I'm gonna go live my life. And this is what I've been waiting for and healing. And I think, like, that's been so good for me to get out of trauma bonds. Like, let's have bonds of, like, I don't even know, happiness.

Yeah.

So I'm just excited to build good, healthy, happy bonds and leave all those trauma bonds behind. And if other people would like to stay there, that's not me. It's not helping my mental health in any capacity.

Absolutely.

And so, yeah, from that, I was like, okay, I'm gonna keep twelve stepping and, like, dating and, like, career and life, and it's really been beautiful.

When you say twelve stepping, does that mean sobriety?

Some people think it's about sobriety. I actually. I just have to say it like, this twelve stepping is about, like, the twelve step principles, so you don't have to. It's not about, like, drinking, okay? Like, I think there's humility, brotherly love. Like, there's twelve principles of life that I think are just amazing and help me be my best self and connect and see myself and others, like, serving. So those are the twelve step things I do in life.

Gotcha. I've never heard of it. So that's why, you know, like, most people, when they hear twelve steps are like, oh, okay, she's in the program. Or, like, you know, doing the twelve steps for, like, alcoholism or. I don't know if they have twelve steps for drugs. I'm not positive.

Oh, yeah, they do.

Yeah.

Twelve steps for everything. I honestly say, like, twelve steps for anxiety. I feel like I've looked at every group. Courts definitely had me do, like, 50 hours of aa and over that. But when I came to the trauma center, I was so disgusted, to be honest with you. I was so disgusted by alcohol and what alcohol had done, because there was just alcohol involved with my sexual assault or rape. And so everybody else, maybe around me was like, I can't wait to drink. I can't wait to do drugs. And I was like, whoa, I could stay here all day long, and I don't even care about that stuff. But I am super excited to learn about these principles and, like, see if it works. And, like, if I turn on church, does it connect? And, like, everything just really showed me, like, this is what I have been yearning for my whole life. And so that's why I just say, I'm twelve step in dating, I'm twelve step in my career. Like, it's just principles that work.

I do feel. Or do you feel? Actually not. It doesn't matter how I feel. Do you feel that alcohol has played a part in some of your legal issues as well? Because didn't you get it, like, a DUI? And then also you had, like, a little thing with us, was a security guard outside of a nightclub when you were drunk and, like, they cuffed you and put you on the ground and stuff like that. Do you feel like alcohol has played a part in some of your legal troubles?

So alcohol definitely is a depressant and attracts negatives to you.

Yeah.

I'm literally.

That's why they call it a spirit, because it lowers your spirits.

Oh, yeah. It lowers your spirit. And I wouldn't recommend anyone who has been assaulted or attacked or hasn't been educated on trauma work should not be drinking. It really makes your life worse. And so. Yeah, that I'm dealing with that legal problem even today.

Yeah. Really? Still going on?

Yeah. Two years later, she won't stop harassing me. So, yeah, so now she's trying to do.

You're lightweight. Funny as fuck, dude. Like, really? If people really paid attention, they would see that you are funny.

Sofia is hearing me, like, uncork, like, lawyer calls before this because of her. She didn't know how to serve me. So she claims that she's gonna get lots of money from me right now.

Okay. I thought it was a man that you. That they saying that you slapped him or something.

Oh, no, this is a woman who's a liar, but she is just like, that's why I have to postpone even, like, me doing, like, a comedy portfolio that I've been working on. Like, could you imagine me going to work and then being served in front of everyone? So it's like, I have to now reorganize my life around people who target me and won't stop harassing me because I just won't put up with it anymore.

What happened? Like, you were out drinking with friends.

And then I went to a dinner, so I was definitely more about the food. There was alcohol.

We love food.

Yeah. And I was asked with my two other colleagues to go upstairs and see their new little rooftop thing, and I didn't have a drink up there. I went to the bathroom. It felt like I was set up. One of their customers was in front of my purse, in my bag, in between my friends, not with her group. And I was like, could you please, like, move? That's my stuff. These are my friends. She wanted to keep going at me, hitting me, hitting my friend who was.

Trying to block me. She hit you?

And then her friends are planning to remove me. I'm being then manhandled by huge security guys. This woman puts herself in between this mix coming at me, and I say, leave me alone. You see me yelling, and this is, like, a girl, a different girl than I am today at that time, who has been sexually assaulted. Can't handle too much.

She's just been through a lifetime of trauma. You've had trauma started when you were younger.

And so she doesn't want to listen. And so I do this with my arm, and you see the full movement on the camera, and she wants to try to touch my hand. And so literally, my hand is, like, touching this woman's, like, mask, not her face. So her glasses are on, her mask is on. She keeps wanting to manhandle me with all the men. She then goes into an elevator with me. I'm like, leave me alone. I walk off property waiting for my other friend who wants to call the police, wants to do all this stuff. And sure enough, then her and the other guy just finagle up to come after me off property. Then he cuffs himself to me, is like touching me all over. She's over there yelling that I hit her in her face and whatever, I'm yelling back. And so, yeah, basically I'm winning a personal injury case. On top of this, the criminal case got thrown out because I did nothing. The personal injury case, I'm recovering all of my trauma costs and me moving and everything else. Like, I had death threats because this woman would not shut her mouth with all of her lies.

Like, people literally thought I would hit and target security people, and that's just completely not the case. So dealing with all of this, it's just, like, stressful. I've had a lot of people just continually try to sue me, sue me, come after me, come after me, come after me. And I just don't want that in this next chapter of whether it's my comedy career, me showing up to places. And I also have to realize, like, I have to do. I don't even like security guards, to be honest. To me, getting security is also like a trust fall.

No, that's how I am. My husband makes me travel with security everywhere, and I'm like, why? I feel like I have a babysitter.

Yeah.

I hate it. It drives me crazy.

I don't know. I've never. I've had a lot of issues with security guards. This is not the first one.

I think you need to have somebody in your life that's there to protect you, though, because you are, you know, the fan base that you guys have from teen mom is wild. Like, I've had Janelle and Kale on the podcast. Yeah. It is like, those people are really invested in you guys's lives.

You have.

You guys have a lot of great fans, but it is like a culture fan base, you know? And we love it.

I love it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And. But the thing is, is. And in that sea of people who love you guys, there's a few people who have it out for you, and these are the people that you're, like, running into. So I think having somebody to protect you from that isn't a bad idea.

Yeah.

I will say one less lawsuit to worry about.

One less lawsuit. They keep coming.

Yeah.

I actually have right now fun lawsuits at this point, how many lawsuits do.

You have right now?

I'm, like, trying to close up, like, three. So who knows? Like, who knows? But I think, like, we're just reinventing the wheel of, like, okay, if we're gonna do nana tour, if we're going to just, like, present it and package it, then we can, you know, control, like, who's on sets and how we do those things. So, like, I can still keep moving forward in my life.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I'm just kind of tired of sitting still, but it's been good.

Take me on this journey of you doing comedy.

I feel like a Farrah Abraham roast is overdue.

Yeah, I would attend. I think it would be hilarious.

We'll give you the mic.

I don't want to be mean, though. I just want to watch.

It's good to roast people, you know? It's good to see if I've overcome.

I love that you can laugh. I love that you can laugh at yourself, though, and you don't take yourself so serious. I think that's a great quality to have.

It's definitely been a challenge.

She's like, I've been working on it hard.

I can't wait. But, yeah, I just want to do some things with comedy and maybe just talk about, like, behavior in a funny way. And I think learning behavior and learning myself, I think it's, like, been a good sole journey, and I want to share that in comedy.

What spawned this whole entire journey with comedy? Have you just always been a comedy fan?

I don't even know. I mean, who doesn't love some ace Ventura pet detective?

But.

But I actually got my sag credits from a comedy central special that they did for me. And after I got wrongfully fired from teen mom, I started getting sag checks in the mail, and I started seeing where it was from, and I was like, oh, my God. It's from Dave Patel inviting me for my comedy special. And I was like, well, I really did like that, and it was so fun, and I liked the people. And I think in this next endeavor of my life, I'm kind of more intentional about who I'm working around.

Yeah.

How they're making me feel. And that comes with age.

You're, what, 32 now?

Yeah.

Yeah, I'm 44. So it takes, like, as you get older, you get to a point where you're just like, I don't care what. What the look is or how many people are gonna see it. I care about being around people who are gonna build me up.

Yeah.

Make me feel good. About myself. Who. People I can learn from.

Yeah.

You know? So I think that's awesome that you're realizing that now. Yeah.

So it's just wonderful. And I just hope to have great work environments and enjoy myself.

When can we expect this comedy tour?

Oh, my God. Or the specials? I say specials. I don't know. Tour. But I would hope by the end of this year, I know some other shows are coming out and we'll see what happens. But, yeah, I'm just kind of, like, risk assessing my career and just making sure, but I don't.

You're reinventing yourself. Yeah, I feel like you do that all the time. You have done. Is there anything you haven't done? You've made albums.

I haven't done, like, my law degree yet. Like, yeah, Ferris court will be like, judge Judy. Oh, my God.

That would be awesome.

Love her. I would love to do a court show.

Please. Oh, let's put it in the air. Manifest it. That would be awesome. Because you literally, one thing I do admire about you, you have fucking hustle. You're not lazy.

Adhd doesn't sit.

Is that what I have? Is that why I can't sit still? I'm literally always on to the next goal. It's fun. No, you literally are always doing something. Always selling something. I mean, you are like, who doesn't like sales?

I love sales. I do love sales. I think if you're good at serving people and matching people and doing things. Oh, my God, sales is like a dream.

Yeah, absolutely. Let's bring it over to Sophia for a little bit here. What do you want to be when you grow up? Have you ever thought about that?

Yeah, I've been getting into music, so I think when I grow up, I want to be a music artist, maybe, and a entrepreneur and a influencer.

I love that. Does your mom influence that a lot? Do you really look up to your mom?

She did really support me doing my music when I was younger. I have two music videos from, like, a spiritual a long time ago, which is, like, kind of cringe before Goth.

I mean, we all.

We all have that. We look back on and we're like, what the hell was I thinking?

Yeah, I wrote those songs myself.

That's amazing. So you and Bailey would really get along? She writes her own music and stuff like that. We'll have to introduce the girlies, for sure. What's your favorite thing about your mom? What do you admire the most about her?

Her beauty.

And how do you think of yourself? Her support.

That is sweet.

You are thankful.

Thank you. She doubts that kind of often, but she.

Look, I can. That's good that I know where I need to work on.

Aw. I love that.

Yeah, I love that. Thank you, Sophie. I appreciate you.

What's your favorite thing about Sofia?

Oh, my gosh. Well, I love Sophia's beauty. Like, no joke. I always am. Like, you have, like, your dad's nose, the eyebrows, the chin. Like, I just. I love it. And I'm so happy you have the. All that going for you. You're gorgeous. And what else do. I mean? I pretty much love everything about my daughter. Like, I love. I loved you, like, parenting you as a kid. I love parenting you as a teen. I love your silliness. I mean, there's so much. I just love it all. There's. I don't know why it's making me. I don't know why.

A lot of you are so cute.

I don't know if I like my teenager today, but, like. Like, I really. I practice my gratefuls and I think I just have always loved my daughter. Totally.

Yeah. Holy. You love her for who she is.

Yeah.

Do you guys feel like your soulmates? Because, you know, soulmates don't have to be lovers. Soulmates can be friends, children, parents. Like, that's.

I do always wonder. I don't know if other parents wonder this or whatever, but I do feel like I was given my child, like, Sofia. Like, I was given Sophia. I don't know what it is. Like, even when, like, her dad wasn't there, I had her in the birthing room. And, like, I'm just looking at her, I just, like, there was this eye connection and, like, I knew that even though nothing was perfect, however I wanted to plan it growing up, that I was meant to be there at this time with her. And I will never forget that from the hospital room. So life can just totally fall apart around you, like it has with me. But, yeah, I don't know if that's soul mate, if that's exactly what you meant. But I do know I was supposed to be with Sophia, and she is my child. I do know that. It's just crazy.

You guys are gonna make me cry, I think that is so sweet. And, farah, I wanna give you your flowers because I watched a lot of interviews the other night, just trying to get a feel for you and stuff like that. And I feel like a lot of people have you on their shows to attack you, and they don't give you a chance to actually, like, kind of flourish in the moment with you. And I'm sorry for that, for how people treat you like that. But also, people don't realize that you were at such a young age having a child on television, losing the father of your child and having to go through this with the world, watching you with parents who didn't support and did not give you the proper guidance, and you are literally just figuring this shit out on your own. Yeah, and that's heavy. And I just want you to say I see you and I see what you're doing, and I think you're doing wonderful.

Aw, I love that. And thank you for seeing me. And I appreciate, I appreciate you being an amazing host.

No, thank you.

Yeah. Allowing it to do whatever it will be.

I appreciate that.

Let's talk about love.

Let's talk about love.

Let's talk about love.

You got a new boyfriend? Well, he's been around since what, 2021? No, no, I read that wrong. Okay. Is that a different one? All right, well, when did this one come about?

I have to say, I date differently now. So I did this guardian of your soul dating naked thing. Graduated from that when I turned 32. So last.

Okay, what is that? Is that part of the twelve step?

Yes. Lisa Shield, who does this, she has her own amazing podcast, but she does this with her husband. You are there for twelve weeks. You have your own coach, you do your own like, manifestation journal. She has twelve modules. You're reading books, you're hearing podcasts, you're hearing psychologists. Like, you're in a vortex of training yourself to be like a weapon of dating, basically. And so I did it. I committed, and I was like, you know, going on these dates felt like this is wasting my time. And I got this weird, like, dating show offer during that, and I declined because I've done so many dating shows. And I just don't, like, I was at this point of like, I'm tired of repeating, tired of repeating like, clearly somebody's disconnected. And it was more personal work and really diving in on that. And so Lisa did a twelve step program too. So when I shared about my twelve step program, she's like, yeah, so this is why we have twelve weeks, twelve modules, and we are focused on getting this alignment before your dating life. So I love it. I graduated and I was just like, look, I don't have anyone who I'll call my fiance or anything like that, but I'll keep doing this.

And like, I'm kind of like a late bloomer even though I like, zoom through things. And so, like, the leaders are like, we'll keep checking in with us, keep coming to the roofs, like, whatever. And sure enough, like, I don't know. I went on almost, like, a hundred dates and.

A hundred dates, like, almost a hundred dates like this. That's like speed dating.

And then one. One gentleman wasn't even, like, on. I realized he was on one of my dating apps after the fact.

But he feel like the cream of the crop is never on the dating.

Apps, or I'm just not paying attention to it.

We're not attracting it.

I don't know.

Yeah.

Even though, like, we redo our online profiles and all this cool stuff.

Right?

So he actually got my attention on my Onlyfans page, so. And then was, like, zooming with me, and then I'm telling him about this dating program. Like, I'm just intentionally dating. Like, if you want to joke around and be like, I want to date Farah Abraham, like, whatever. But I was just, like, so on my game from this program about dating, so he ended up flying in to Austin to come see me, and we have just kind of been just. I don't know. He ended up getting a second house, a second car, a second everything, and lives in Austin right now. Like, I don't know. It just is, like, magical.

I love it. So when did he come in the picture?

So we started talking in October. So, like, from June, July, August, September.

Like, okay, so since last year.

Yeah. So five months after this program, I really have, like, superly connected with someone.

Oh, crazy. And he just loves every bit of you.

Oh, yeah.

Are you ever gonna say who he is or make him public?

Um, you know, I. We both kind of are, like, NDAs on both sides, so, like, I can share fun bits and stuff, but we don't really, like, share who who or me. Like, I am. Like, I will not be meeting your family. Like, I'm dating you. And I think I've also learned to date differently from not having my family around and truly being my most best self. So, yeah, like, he. I just love, like, he is all about self improvement with me. We're doing fun things together all the time, and I really just want to make sure, like, that's right. Like, that's really important.

So if you guys do end up getting more serious, will you eventually meet his family?

I don't really need to, really. Like, I'm really.

Like, do you think part of you is scared? Because, like, every. I feel like you're one of those people who kind of, like, waits for the ball to drop. Like, if something's going too good, you're like, okay, what's gonna fuck this up?

Well, I'm trying to not have those brain patterns in my brain, but thank you. So I just want the ball to keep rising and elevating. Hot air balloon. Let's keep going up. And I do think from learning so much about him, he's learned so much about my family, where I've come from. I think sometimes when you're building a interdependent relationship where you're both coming together and rising up together, there is no need for the background noise. Like, I'm not trying to attend a circus. He doesn't need to come to my circus. We just need to focus on going forth, building our own lives, building our own family, like, flourishing careers, the whole thing right now. And so that's why I'm kind of like his parents and everyone are very, like, why won't you tell me your name? Oh. Like, they're always very, like, nosy, but I think I don't need anyone, like, googling me, searching me, when they know who I am, who I'm dating.

Right.

And that's what I mean.

Like, it. Does that scare you that his family could google you and then just get the wrong opinion of you and then you feel like you're gonna have to be trying to change these people's opinion about you?

Yeah, I just don't operate like that anymore. So, like, when my mom or my dad got married, and I was there for their weddings and stuff, and then they were their fiancees or everyone else was always, like, googling me and seeing what I was up to, I actually stopped, like, posting for a while. I was like, you know, it's just not worth it. I don't care what I'm up to or what I've been up to. Like, if you can't be present with me and family, I don't need it. So I think that's all. I think that's why this relationship is flourishing so much, is that I don't talk about it much with other people. From what I've been trained to do, we're very present or flourishing. And, like, we go on trips, we have fun. I just want that for my life. I deserve an amazing relationship. And I saw, like, even bits of it when I was, like, saying I was in a relationship people really wanted to ruin and find and source and break me down. So, like, I don't have a relationship, but that's actually what I've been working so hard for, for, like, two to three years, is getting in this place, so.

And, like, with no one else's help, just me, and so I, like, really need this.

Have you met him yet, Sophia?

Yes, I have.

Do you approve?

He's okay.

Yeah, I mean, like, it's not like a year in or totally serious, but Sophia and I met both of our boyfriends that we have now at the winter trip.

Sofia, you have a boyfriend? Oh, we're going to talk about this after.

Yeah. So, yeah, we met together, our boyfriends together on our winter break trip this winter.

So what do you think about Sophia's boyfriend?

You know, I can't really judge when the kids are, you know, 1516. I mean, wow. They have so, so much to do and grow because I was once there.

Yeah. Isn't it wild to think that she's pretty much the age that you got pregnant at?

Yeah, I was saying that the other night. So her boyfriend actually flew into Austin, Texas, because he lives in Utah for her birthday. And she's also homeschooled, which is, like, great. So we had a great birthday weekend together, and I was, like, sitting at dinner with them after she, like, blew out her candles and everything. And I was, like, at 15, I was, like, on party busses with, like, 20 some year olds.

Isn't it wild how they're the opposite of us?

Like, yeah. I was like, this wild child. And I was like, I am just so happy that Sophia is in, like, an amazing restaurant, has, like, all this stuff, has someone who, like, actually cares. You know, they're just building, like, a great friendship and just quality time, quality people that I kind of really, to be honest, did not have. And it was just chaos. And I was like, I am so fortunate to see. See this for my child. It's just crazy to me. I love it. I love it.

And I love watching Sophia smile at you when you talk about her. It's the cutest thing ever.

It's just I'm so happy for my daughter. She totally deserves this amazing journey that she's been blessed with, so God is good.

Yeah, I love that. Where'd you meet your boyfriend at Sophia?

I met him on VR.

On what? Virtual reality?

Yeah.

Is that like a video game or.

It's like those headsets, you know, gotcha. With, like, the virtual games and stuff.

Oh, gotcha.

Okay. Specifically VR chat.

Gotcha. Okay.

Those kids are in VR chat. Watch out.

Yeah, it's. That's like AOL chat when we were growing up, literally.

So, yeah, both of us met our boyfriends online, essentially.

Yeah. Well, I would think that being who you are, it's gotta be hard to meet people a normal way. It's not like you're just gonna go to church and meet somebody, you know? And I would think growing up with who your mom is is probably makes it hard for you to meet people in normal way also. And you don't go to school, so it's like, you know, you have to meet people where you are at, you know, in life. So how has your mom's stardom affected you?

I mean, it's kind of been hard to make friends, like, in real life and stuff. But I would say once they accept, like, who I am online, then we become, like, best friends, you know? But some people, once they find out who I really am, they, like, don't want to, like, be friends with me.

Your mom, like, I mean, I don't.

Really get hurt by that because in the end, then you're just fake.

Yeah.

So I just block them.

Yeah.

You know?

No, I love that Bailey had to go through that, too. Whenever, you know, whenever we were first coming up in the limelight, there was a lot of parents who didn't want Bailey hanging out with her because of who her parents were. And I was just like, you don't need friends like that. If they have parents that are going to judge them so harshly that they won't let their kid hang out with you because of who their parents are, when they haven't even met us or shook our hands, then you don't want those people in your life anyways.

Yeah. So it is kind of fun. I mean, I've been seeing Sophia kind of like catfish people.

What do you mean, catfishing? Okay.

I have.

It's called secret accounts.

Yes.

Oh, they're called finstas, right. Or isn't that what they're. What they are?

I mean, it's basically like all accounts, you know?

Okay, gotcha.

Like, I don't use my public profiles or my real name.

Yeah.

On stuff like my friends know my first name.

Right.

But, like, I usually don't tell them my last name.

Right.

Until they find out who, like, I really am.

Like, for instance.

But that's actually kind of smart.

That is smart. Like, like, we have this show, like, called catfish, right. But I have to say, like, Sophia's doing it in a catfish positive way, not a toxic way.

Right.

Because, like, for instance, like, we flew into Utah so that her and her boyfriend could meet. They do know each other's names. It's kind of up in the air. On the first, the first date, which was at a trampoline park.

Right.

And everyone brought their families, and so I loved how refreshing it was, actually. I was refreshed by his mom, his family, not knowing who I was, just taking me in like a glass of water, just having a good time, just.

Loving you for who you were in that moment.

And also the same for Sophia. And then her daughter arrives, and she knew exactly who I was and everything else. And then it was like. Like, it just kind of sucks the fun out of just being present in real life.

Yeah.

But, yeah, I really loved, like, how we've gotten to know each other, even though you could definitely see they are definitely affected by someone's fame, what they might, might not have, how we live, and that's sad. And so I just say, whatever Sophia needs to do to see positive and have positive interactions and relationships, that's awesome. I support it. Even if it's a little catfishy, I'm okay with it.

Right. I kind of understand the method to the madness, though. She wants to make sure that the people that are in her life are there for a reason, not because of who you are, because of who she is. So I think it's actually kind of genius.

It is genius.

I like it. When's your birthday?

February 23.

Oh, you're a Pisces. Well, you're like an Aquarius Pisces. You're, like, right on the cusp.

Oh, really? Really? I don't know. She likes to swim.

Yeah, she's a little fishy.

Yeah. A gothic swimmer.

A little blackfish swimming in the pond.

Yes.

Can we talk about your beef with Nicki Minaj? What happened with that whole situation?

She's not a barbie.

Because I feel like she kind of called you out and brought that on herself. And I feel like a lot of.

People bring things upon themselves in my career, but, yes.

Yeah, I feel like she's doing that now to make thee stallion also, and I think people didn't. People didn't take her. People didn't consider it bullying whenever she did it to you, because it was a few years ago. But now that they're seeing a pattern and how she treats people, I think it kind of, you know, is putting a spotlight on how she acts as a person.

I have to say, like, Nicki Minaj, I believe she said, like, I was a cunt because of how I treated my mom. She was watching, like, a teen mom rerun one day, and when she was doing that, I have to say, anyone who talks to me or towards anyone, bullying them out loud, doing whatever they're doing, not paying attention to their own mental health and why she's doing that. The reason why someone reaches out in a toxic way, calls someone another name, tries to degrade them, acts like they know how to be a better daughter to their mom or whatever. That is a denial. They're delusional. So I have never thought greatly of anyone similar to Nicki Minaj, like a Christy Teigen who also does that to me, or other people who do that, or women who do that. It also very much reminds me a little bit of the toxicity between my mom, my sister, my grandma towards me growing up.

And so it's a trigger for you.

You know, I just recognize it as complete mental illness, almost, to be honest. So I don't think my daughter has anything to worry about of, like, listening, paying attention to anything from women who have, like, a platform, and they're just, like, lashing out a mental illness, because that's not having self control, that's not therapeutically dealing with it. She also wasn't a mom. I don't really think Nicki Minaj is a great mom. I don't think she really has done the personal work. She's married, I think, like a convict who I guess has, like, done very weird things. So I can't really care about anyone who that comes from. That's like caring about a hater online who says the same thing. So whether it was Nicki Minaj or a deep fake account online saying it, it's going to the same place of, like, ooh, that's unhealthy for my mental health. That's like, mental illness coming at me. I don't have time for that toxicity, so. And I'm sorry that Megan thee stallion had to go through all sorts of stuff and criminal behavior, but she doesn't deserve that in her present success or her future success. And I really hope that she finds other great artists to work with and.

And have friendships with.

Absolutely. How do you deal with all of the online stuff that comes to you? Are you used to it now, or. I don't think anybody ever gets used to people just bullying. But does it hurt still, or did it ever hurt you, like, in the beginning, and how do you deal with it now?

I definitely had a shame spiral many a times with online toxicity, and I think that's why I am totally cool with safiya not being on it, not posting as much, not doing whatever, because it's really not needed.

It's not a safe space.

Yeah, it's not a safe space. And I think we just try to again pardon me? Create that safe space for us, our own selves. So if that's, like, posting once a year, that's what's good for us. And I don't even know, like, this whole thing with, like, limiting teenagers on social media. I think in a way, it feels like we're letting, like, criminals and deepfakes and all these things control and take over and over, saturate the Internet when the Internet would be so much more better with, like, credible, real people who enjoy the Internet. So I just wish I had better people to play with on the Internet.

Yeah, but the Internet has hurt you before to where it's sent you into shame. What did you say? Shame spiral.

Like, definite, like, depression or maybe anxiety at times, and it's got to be.

Heavy, especially when they run, like, news articles about you and stuff like that.

Yeah.

I do feel like the press bullies you.

I feel like we need to work on just reporting in a non bullish, fraudulent way. Like, when I've been dealing, you know, like, when I was, like, attacked at dinner by security, then everyone acts like I did something to them, and I have reporters calling me everywhere, and they're making me out to be a bad person. My lawyers were literally, like, you cannot talk to them anymore. If they want to behave this way, if they can't tell the right news, I'm not responding to them. Do not respond to them. And that's just kind of sad, because, again, like, just kind of being raised with news reporters and even some of them being my friends, it's just been really sad to see, like, people use their jobs and inflict toxicity and affect someone's mental health. Or it could. I'm not letting that happen, but it definitely does to other people.

Yeah, absolutely. I couldn't agree more. I think online is kind of like the devil's playground. You know? Like, people can say and do whatever the hell they want, and there's no recourse.

Well, I feel like the good people get the recourse. Like, they actually get, like, I can't even get on TikTok Live because someone said it was, like, sexually explicit sitting in my office doing nothing.

Did you appeal it?

Oh, I've appealed it. My agencies have reached out. They say that they don't have footage. They can't see it, so they can't redo it. I just feel like. Or undo it. I feel like Internet platforms are just crumbling, period. Like, they're crumbling. They're not doing that well. They're relying so heavily on marketing, they don't care to keep health number one, even though we're giving all of these things, like, healthy mindset and track your time and do all this, but we just keep allowing. Again, like, deep fakes, toxicity, everything nonsense. Stop. So, like, if I go and look on my dashboard right now, you'll see, like, my account on the backends flagged all the time for bullying, but are we deleting or blocking those bullies?

Right?

So I just. I let.

There's no solution to the problem.

Yeah. I just let the Internet crumble, and I like to use it to post, to share things, whether that's about mental health or something fun or birthdays or whatever. But I don't know. I maybe just one day, who knows if I need any of it? I really don't know if I need social media.

Yeah, I don't think you do. I think you've made a name for yourself that if you didn't have social media, people would still, you know, be obsessed with you, because that's just how they are. I have read mixed reviews.

Have.

Did you sell poop or did you not sell poop?

Oh, my God. That's so funny. I saw my poop slime in my office. I made poop slime, and we sold out of that. But, yeah, it's crazy. I don't know why people are obsessed with poop.

I love.

I have never sold my poop. I do get offers literally every day. Every day for it. And it's crazy. Like, my boyfriend's, like, you. He's like, I find, like. I just. It's like. I find it so disgusting. But he's like, you have all these guys just wanting to pay you, like, $5,000 for you to send them shit, and he's like, I can't even pick up your own dog shit. Like, he's like, I don't know how this is. So.

They waft in it. It's crazy. I used to sell my panties when I had of. Yeah, they, like, I'm vacuum sealed and sitting for, like, two weeks. Like, it's wild.

Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know. But I haven't done that. But I. I don't know. I heard it was, like, against the law, so I just don't do that.

Yeah. What's the weirdest request you have gotten on your onlyfans?

I mean, what's weird anymore, right? I don't know. There's so many.

What's the oddest? Or, you know, wildest?

There's so many weird things I hear every day. I just don't know what's odd right now. I don't know. I have to, like, think so much.

No, but I don't know.

I just find it weird when people really want to, like, have customs and, like, they always try to, like, get in my personal life. So it's like, your boyfriend or, like, could you ask for a friend to do that? I just am like, why would you even get on here and, like, insinuate I would ask anyone else to be a part of your crazy fantasy?

So I love doing. How is your of doing?

Is it my of is doing fabulous? And I love my of. I can't, like, I often ask myself when I think to just shutting it down because I felt like I was getting so sexually shamed and I just don't like dealing with any, like, sexual shaming stuff. And so I was like, maybe I'll shut it down, maybe I won't. And then I keep it up. And I often, like, sometimes I'll just post some funny comments that I get, but I often, like, there's a lot of negativity online, but I will say o. F is a lot of positivity compared to all the negative.

Oh, I loved my o. F. I have. It was great. If you're a hater on somebody's of, you've got fucking problems.

Yeah.

You're paying them monthly to talk shit to them. Yeah, it's crazy.

And that happens all the time. But there's a lot of men who, or women even, who always send me, like, the best messages, and I'm like, God, I needed that for my self worth today. Or, like, my self compassion or, like, just loving myself today. So I have to say, if that's so positive, out of all the other social medias, I've kept my only fans. And I think maybe I even rave about it sometimes and, like, I can't delete this. It makes me so happy.

And you shouldn't have to delete it. If it does bring you happiness and joy and as well as monetary value, why would you delete it? Because people online don't agree with the lifestyle. I've never understood that. That stigma with. Of. It's wild to me that we're not touching anybody. Nobody is touching us. There's no bodily fluid exchange. It's literally all online consenting adults. And people have a problem with that. Would they rather you be in hotel rooms? You know, being an escort? Like, it's wild to me.

So I. Yeah, I just. I think onlyfans have just, again, been positive for my mental health. Positive for me. I don't like, I literally screen grab and save some of these messages because I was like, if I ever just bye bye from it, I would love to save these memories because they're such good memories. I mean, I don't know. Like, my boyfriend doesn't have a problem with it, so. And honestly, I think he. He actually likes it. So, like, he makes his, like, a little funny username, and he's like, oh, chat with me on there. It's just kind of like a fun play thing.

Role play.

Honestly, if that's good for my relationship, if it's good for my business, if it's good for me. Oh, my God.

Could.

Could life get any greater?

If Sophia ever wanted to make an OnlyFans, would you allow her when she's of age?

Well, I definitely out of the question on now. Right?

Of course.

Reporters actually have asked me that already. Yeah, I was, like, literally thrown.

No, not now. That's. She's underage.

That's weird, guys. That's, like, not allowed.

Yeah, but, I mean, she is almost 18, so I think that's probably why.

So many years to go.

I said, I'm counting them down. I'm like, kid, you got two years. Two years to get the hell out. No, I'm just kidding.

I don't think Sophia wants to do that. Like, Sophia basically barely uses social media.

Yeah.

Sofia, do you have any use or need for anything that's an adult only platform?

No.

She said no.

No. And I think I do have that need because I had managers and agents basically, like, being like, I'll run it. I'll start it. I'll do it. Like, you have to do this. And I didn't even do it myself. Open it. So I think because it was like a different journey in that. And again, like, I am a sex symbol. Like, I am something in that arena. And I think you can't disown that or act like it's not. And so.

Well, you had a sex tape that came out, correct. Yeah.

And a lot of, you know, then I had a novelty line from that odd, traumatic, successful experience of a tape situation. I was like, you know what? For, like, sexual health and well being, I want to come out with a men's and women's line of novelty toys. And I also won an avian award for that. So I, like, those are things that happened in my life journey.

Yeah.

And I'm happy they were successful. And I think to do that justice, you know, to have some of those adult platform pages. That's. That's a no brainer in that, you know, journey. So I'm fine with it, and it makes me happy.

How much did you end up making off of that sex tape?

I don't know. I still make money off.

She's like, it hasn't stopped, baby.

No, it hasn't stopped. And I also made, you know, millions from my novelty toys, those licenses. I actually just enjoyed business.

Yeah.

Like, a lot of people. And I love my friends who are all into adult entertainment. That was not my allure. That's not, like, my thing. But I do like business in certain senses of my comfort level, so.

Yeah, you like multiple streams of income.

Yeah. Who doesn't, right? For each system. So, yeah, I have my own way of how I live, you know, my sex life and my choices and me as a woman. And I'm just really happy. Like, happier than I've ever been. So I think whatever happened in my life along the way, I was meant to be, even though it was, like, not the greatest thing. But, yeah, it can certainly get you predators. It can certainly lead to, like, sexual assaults and those things. So I just want other women, or even my own child, my own daughter to know, like, there's nothing to glorify about anything of what I went through or what I've done. I literally look at my sex tape and I see someone who is battling face dysmorphia, who feels so unloved, who is, like, going through just, like, bereavement of the loss of her dad. And so when I see a sex tape, I see something so of nothing I want ever in my life again. But I have people every day who bring up my sex tape or, like, the toys that I made, and it brings them joy. And so I have to really take myself away from that.

But I do love that it's helped me become aware that I needed to do personal and mental health and health on myself, for sure.

I love that. Yeah. What does 2024 hold for Farrah and Sophia? What do you guys want to.

Lots of laughs.

Yeah.

Laughing a bunch this year. Traveling, having fun. Sophia's working on whatever she wants to write, create, and make.

Are you guys gonna do a song together?

What? We have.

Ah, I love it.

No, thank you.

Yeah.

She does not know how to sing.

I don't know how to sing at all. And that's okay. For some reason, I have a cult following of people who loved my music when I was depressed. So again, like, some people love your stuff when you're depressed and going through like a mental breakdown. So I.

Well, I think it's relatable. I feel like people feel like they're like, fuck, I'm going through it, too, you know, like, this is relatable. That's why people relate to my husband, because of the music he makes, you know?

Yeah, it's crazy. However, you will enjoy someone's music or whatever. So, yeah, Sophia is going to go on her own journey of gothic music and see how people relate to that and have fun and write. So, yeah, I mean, every. Every year is about creating something new and finding more of ourselves. So I think that's what we kind of are doing besides shows and besides stuff that I'm already doing. I'm just like, back to school again.

Yeah.

So are we gonna get that law?

He's over here sawing logs. I'm over here shaking his head. So are you gonna. Are you gonna move forward and getting your law degree?

Yeah, I'm moving forward with. I'm in a master's program right now, and you can start doing, like, your JD and even your PhD. So I'm just going all the way. I'm getting my PhD, but I'm going through the master's. Almost done with that at the end of this year and then doing law the next year and everything like that. So I feel like as much as I've spent in legal fees and everything, I already have the law to.

You should be your own lawyer, Farrah. At this point.

I keep learning new things every day, though, so, yeah, there's a lot going on in 2024. I can't wait till it's actually done, but I'm excited for it.

I love that, and I love watching you guys grow and flourish together, and I think it's amazing. And I just want you guys to stay on this journey. I love that you're the happiest you've ever been. That makes me happy for you because happiness is hard to come by, man. You have to choose happiness.

Yeah. Go, mom and daughter team.

Let's go. Thank you guys for coming on the podcast. I really appreciate it.

Thanks for having us.

Yeah, awesome. Thank you guys for tuning in to another episode of Dumb Blonde. I'll see you guys next week. Bye.