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Hello, everyone, welcome to the Golden Sofie's once again, back on your screens and into your delicious locals.

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I like the way I like the way you start saying hello everyone in like a specific way. And it's like a new thing.

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It's unintentional. Talking about new things. There could potentially be a theme song. It's sort of this episode, Jamie.

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Yeah, I look up or we might do that next week. I don't know. We'll see.

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But depending on how lazy we are using good old timey scratchy stuff. But we found Henry.

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I was thinking something a bit more grand. But I've also noticed I've noticed that the ones you've sent. So, I mean, we're going to listen to them after this recording.

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And so, to be honest, I can already see the seeds of this being a debate that will last longer than the hour time it will take to do this one.

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So, uh, yeah, maybe next week could be in the future anyway. What is this podcast, Jimmy?

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Uh, this is the Golden Talkies. We're talking about a film celebrating its golden anniversary.

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That means that 75 years ago today. Fifty years ago, Duncan, I can't believe you forgot I was joking, Jamie. Oh, it's 75 years, actually.

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Um, Diamond and diamond and a bit let me look it up, 75 year and oh, I tell you, it's a seventy fifth anniversary of the J. Day today. Yes, that's a lot of these. It's the 25th anniversary, V-J Day today. Yeah, the one that gets slightly less press for some reason, I imagine.

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Why, uh, I guess there is less that's less British personnel involved in it, although I remember also somehow manages to be less morally clear cut than these.

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Yeah. And I, I also aliber in V.T.. They like try to do our minder thing where they were like to see you. Remember, a lot of it wasn't an end for a lot of British soldiers because they they celebrated victory in Europe and a lot of them are sent over to, you know, finish war in Japan. Anyway, Vijay sounds a little bit dodgy, doesn't it? A little bit like a vagina.

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So maybe that sounds like a some sort of like weird obscure version of a BBJ like, you know, like in the dark corners of our urban dictionary.

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Vijay vaginae, Joe and Nancy, like, bends backwards because she's a contortionist and sort of so I think it's just normal sex in a vagina joke.

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I say were hetero hetero normal. That was a very hetero or lesbian.

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See, uh, Sylvia vaginalis job. I guess so. Yeah.

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I don't I think it's more of an Internet thing. I, I don't think. Maybe we shouldn't get into it on this podcast. Maybe it's not the appropriate venue. This might not be the place to discuss, hey, you know, people can have sex. So if they want as long as they don't break any laws and consent between all parties, they can do it.

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If they want any hole you like, including the ear it holds oral sex.

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Oh, yes. I think nasal sex is the next big thing.

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Apparently, the 25th anniversary is is also diamond. And there's like two diamond things, the 16th and 17th, because I guess not many people get to 75 and they are too afraid to admit that they ran out of precious gems.

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Exactly. Yes. Sarda is Diamond again.

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Precious gems like gold, for example, which marks 50 years. Yes. Well, you know, you saw precious metals, as everyone knows, are worse than precious gems. That's worth generations. And I works for our wedding anniversary. That's the way it goes.

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And and Jimmy, talking about gold, the film we're watching this week is about gold, isn't it, Jimi?

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Yeah. What it was about gold, you say? I don't think they really mentioned that. Duncan and this film I called a man called Sledge or if you're a real wet from the set, a man called Sludge. What song did someone color that in the film? Oh, okay.

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Apparently on the set they called it a man called Sludge that was involved in that.

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Oh, that's quite funny. Um, it's not. Not really, no. So this film, it's a Western. Well. Oh, historical context.

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I've not gotten here, sir. Yeah. Go for historical context.

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I've not got any outlets. There are things there.

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The magazines were even more boring than usual. And there there is nothing new in the charts. There is a brief moment where, um well the release date for this film has many release dates. Um, yeah. We have now, uh, worked out the I think it must be the premiere was August 13th and. Yes. Which is this week. But there's many release dates. So initially I picked the wrong date. It's Take me back to you because I just did even thinking and back home by the England World Cup squad was in the top five.

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And I felt I'm sure that I thought surely that's not sneaked away, stuck its way back into the charts. But then I realized that I'd just like copy the date from Wikipedia. And that was the U.S. release date, and it was a year later, something like that. So, uh, yeah, this had a weird release schedule, but it did come out in London.

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One thing I noticed about looking at release schedules of films is just how much longer it took a film to, like, release around the world that might most of them take like two years. Yeah.

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Greenlight release date on the last international I think Norway was the last one that this film came out in in 1960 or something like that, although I think that's basically four years earlier.

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There is still quite a long time today. In in no, not anywhere near as long, but there's still there is still like there's a there's a gap between the U.S. and the U.K. often and which you just don't even think about.

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And you realize for some films you're like, oh, shit, this has been out.

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So it was not there for big films. But when I was like, I sort of like Minteer only film. Exactly. The Lighthouse had like probably got us. Exactly.

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Exactly. Obviously the big films like Avengers, so spoiler Heti that like it has a set release date. But yeah, a lot of films you find, first of all you find that they come out in the US earlier or in some cases the UK earlier. It's not actually always us, but then it can take months for it to get all around the world, you know, depending on various things.

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I wonder to what extent it's to do with, um, you know, like China has a limit on the amount of Western films that can come in. I didn't I believe it. Yeah, they do. That's why. OK, I'm going to Segway from my Segway and then I'll come back and I'm going to Segway for my tangent and I'll come back to the original tangent. So, you know, for example, you know, the Megg with Jason SAFM.

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Yeah.

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So that film was like free Chinese actors in a scene set in Hong Kong. And that was that was done. So they take the Chinese box of yeah, this is like a Chinese co-production and you see quite a lot of films that are Chinese productions.

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I don't see because Transformers five I heard was like a lot of it was set in China.

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So, yeah, it's an interesting one I read the other day was that I can't remember which character it was. But there's a you know, one of the one of the upcoming Marvel films is Chinese, a Chinese character.

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I can remember his name for the life me and Dr. Strange is I don't think it's linked to strange. I can't I'm not going to try and see because I just I would say something like marginally racist and messed up. But there's a character in Marvel that is Chinese and apparently they were good. They almost introduced him like 10 years ago in a post credit sequence just so they could show the film in China. And then they're like, you know, that messes up her story so much because, like, his films are coming out to the mid 20s.

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So it's just fucking stupid to put them in a post credit in 2011 or. But they were close to doing that to get the film released in China. I don't know. I think it's one of The Avengers one. I don't know how they got around it. But then back from that and yeah, what was I think a lot of films like the mega Chinese co-production. I think that was my whole point. Yeah. And I was your.

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So then back to the other thing. I wonder how much the the release dates being pushed back in other countries is to do with, with meeting quotas and stuff like maybe, maybe, I dunno, France, France, probably a bad example, but you know, someone somewhere has like a quarterly, a recess quarterly and you know, like financial quarters, it resets. Well how many films are and that's why they release later there. I don't know.

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It'd be interesting to look into maybe I should look into Maspero because it's it's not something you think about.

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You tend to think. Of a film's release date being the release date, and you don't really think about it, so spread out they can be in terms of distribution. And yeah, as you're seeing certainly in the 70s, it seemed even more so that.

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Yeah, I mean, I think even just. I suppose I suppose a lot of the time that you to do translations and bobs and stuff. Yes, that's true. Yeah, but even like I suppose it must be to do with rights as well as any other reason that the U.S. would have such disparate.

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Yeah, I think I mean, I think the distribution is actually separate as well, like the cinema companies and the distribution companies are often different or different subsidiaries of a major company, maybe. Um hmm. You know, like Paramount UK maybe has a certain amount of releases that they try and get out and then the US or maybe has a higher number or or I don't know, maybe the British government has a certain number of lower budget films need to be released in a period like I assume there's just so many factors.

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You know that it's hard to to pick one I. But yeah, fair is interesting and it's interesting how that's going to change moving forward in terms of now a lot of films are just releasing straight to streaming sites.

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Yeah, yeah. I dare say. I mean, those are the Paramount record fell apart last week. I think. So we're going to see a lot of changes in how films are distributed. Yeah, because now vertical integration is allowed, baby. Yes.

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I remember reading about that only got worse, although I'm right in saying that to get an Oscar, you still to show your film in the cinema for some time. Right. Yes. Yeah, because not do that. Yeah, it's like the Irishman came out like Nazi thing. Yeah.

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So, um, you can always I think, although sometimes the they really, really show in the minimum amount of cinemas, but generally I think stuff like the Irishman did do try and release it to everyone.

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I think the Irish stuff like the Irishman as well, like if you really hit the cinemas, you're going to sell tickets just from people who want to see it on the big.

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Exactly. They only it was on the appeal beyond checking the box.

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It was only in cinemas for like a week though still.

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I mean, they never really well, because you're still selling. It's like people who are going to like a cinema ticket cost more than one month Netflix subscription. Yeah. So people are willing to pay an unnecessary amount to watch on Netflix.

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Obviously don't get all that money like a lot of the other things, whereas they get obviously you don't get all the money from the streaming, but I guess it's a lot more profitable.

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And if they make it through this film, they produce presumably from streaming. Yeah, yeah. But they have to pay. I mean, yeah, I don't know.

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I don't know. Another thing that I've often wondered is obviously with cinema tickets, let's say someone, let's say I produce a film and I get 30 percent of the takings and cinema tickets, it's very easy to say we sold this many tickets, not very easy, but relatively easy. Sell as many tickets. Here's your money. Whereas I feel like for streaming is so hard to know, to measure the views and to measure how many people are watching it and who's bought the subscription for that and what subscriptions.

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I don't even know how that works.

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I know Spotify is like you got a third of a cent for play of your song, right? I'm assuming this will have worked out some sort of some. I must be higher than Spotify is not much higher, but higher. I think, you know, maybe like five cents or something. It must be. I mean, a lot that money.

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Yeah, I guess it's it's people's whole jobs, isn't it, to do these things and analyze these things and. Yeah, yeah, man, we should talk about the film, shouldn't we? Yes, so the film is as a man called Sledge, yet it's unclear if is as far as the second name.

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Oh, I think it's I think it's in a way, his stupidity did do break it up time. It's it's his second name. His first names Loofa. Lou, first lady, first lady. But it's very much a surname based film generally. Yes, and actually in some cases, not even name based at all.

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The genre is a film, as we all know, are sort of name based films on first name. Basically, everything can be sorted into one of those.

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Got you are forgetting the the hybrid films that use people's full names, every single scene, and of course, very rare.

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For example, John Wayne and art museums. John Wick. Yeah.

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And James Bond, the real power of literature. John Wick, James Bond. James Bond is a surname film.

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Duncan, don't try and say, oh, it's Eddie himself. Our name first.

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It's it's a two thirds two deferred surname, one for first name film.

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And it's how the first word out of your mouth, that's what decides. OK, fair enough.

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A man called Slide's is a spaghetti western. It is the second Western we've done on the show after Sheyenne Social Club Western obviously kind of interesting as I mostly Dijana was she and social club.

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Was it a spaghetti western? I don't think it was, no. It was a regular Western for people for some bizarre reason. Don't listen to every episode. Just Cheyenne Social Club was a comedy Western and it wasn't really based around cowboys and stuff.

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It was the sort of well, it was actually as we from as we discussed an episode, it was based on cowboys, but it was based around real cowboys that were actual boys. It yeah. Good hearted cowboys.

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Yeah. About gunslinger's about a man who inherited the brothel and things like that. Yeah. Exactly. What's the episode. It's oh it's OK for your average episode.

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Say I can't even remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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So this is spaghetti western and I'd say it's a very very conventional Western if you want to, if anyone wants to follow the episode to make little bingo card, I guarantee you'll get a few hits on it. Definitely.

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And so we start just before we see it's a spaghetti western, that is. It was filmed in Italy. Well, OK, and the producer was Italian American, but other than that, as far as I can tell, this is basically just a normal Western.

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Yeah, you know, like spaghetti westerns tend to have like directors and composers especially that are Italian. This one this one is definitely on the verge of not being spaghetti Western. I think although I'm not sure actually to what extent it's based on where I don't know. It might just be a style Western more so than a. I think the location, I mean, I suppose is more of a recognition of a trend or yeah, definitely, I guess it's Italian, it's Italian style.

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I'm looking up now and it's talking about Italian style Western. So I suppose that's. Yeah. You know, I made a spaghetti Western, Jamie, did you know that?

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Did you know yeah, what was it called, blazing forks. Interesting, and it's a bay, it's a jewel, and but they have to eat spaghetti, the jewelers mitting spaghetti. Duncan, I'm going to ask you a very serious question. Yeah. Did you come up with the pun on Spaghetti Western and then make the film from there? You know, actually, I don't think so. I think it was the other way round. I think we we had the idea for this spaghetti contest and then and then and at that point before spaghetti Western.

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And then we shot it like a Western. So I suppose I suppose in that way, yes.

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But I, I, I might be misremembering, but I don't think we sat down and said spaghetti western. Wouldn't it be funny if we did spaghetti. But I might be wrong. That might be what happened anyway. Regardless redeemed yourself in my eyes regardless.

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I mean college is a spaghetti western in some sense of the word. But just know that it's not spaghetti western as in like very much made by Italians is pretty American, as far as I can tell.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So unconventionally for my little plot sangrias because I'm able to do it this week. I'm going to give a quick to sentence the summary and then I'm going to go into the like the actual plot proper. OK, we all have a nice framework because Michael Sledge's is a very easy film somehow. Yeah. It's about a heist that happens in the last Western and then they all sort of get annoyed with each other over how they split the prize and they all end up killing each other.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we open up on a snowy theme about.

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One thing I will say is the film's credit is that I think it has a lot of unconventional, but at least not super boring aesthetics or cowboy film. So start off with Snowy Cowboys, which is my personal favorite Western aesthetic. I don't know about your opinion on the snowy Cowboys, Duncan. I'm on the farm.

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It's very red dead redemption, too. Yeah. And I yeah, I don't mind. It's only and I think it's cool. I think it's cool to mix as this film does. The Snowy Western with the desert western desert, I think it reminds remind you of the sort of the fact it's a frontier and it's pushing through various harsh climates and stuff. Yeah that's right.

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But it just feels a little, it feels a little less artificial as well. Oh, like he plays a very much a snowy western isn't it. Oh yeah. Of course is. And I still have not seen it.

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I would recommend it. I as I said, when we watch the Cheyenne Social Club, I really have not seen a lot of Westerns. But then when I think what I have actually seen a few, but I think I've just not seen the big ones, you know.

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I mean, the thing is, a lot of people are more familiar with either like spaghetti westerns or modern Westerns, which are very much playing off the template set by like Westerns. Yeah, not only was that Robert Redford and stuff like that.

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Through whatever he's called, but, you know, like the very conventional Western, I don't think anyone has ever really seen, at least in this day and age.

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But yeah, I was True Grit, the original through. Oh, there is not good from 1969.

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So I guess it's it's part of this. I mean, it's got John Wayne in it. So that's this kind of new John Wayne is you know, John Wayne is the new Western kind of thing, I guess is hard to. The Magnificent Seven that that's that's from 1960, that's one I've not seen, but I want to see I think that is I think that is very much the traditional maybe. Yeah, I think so.

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Or is that the star of. There's not much complexity to the Magnificent Seven other than the fact that the building that's quite nice. It's very reasonable. Other than that is I'm sure I've even said the story on the podcast, but I watch The Magnificent Seven immediately after watching The Seven Samurai, which is a remake of that. And it's very, very much an inferior film. So I always looked bad in my eyes. OK, I've looked up Western and I'm one of the things that's here is a pornographic question, of course, which sounds pretty wild.

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Gals of the naked west, a dirty Western sweet, savage custard's revenge. This these are pretty well, that's a folk customs, adventures of adult sex, video games, you know.

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Have you not heard of custards? No, I tell you this. OK, so you've heard about like a video game crash after Atari, right? Yeah, it is. And stuff.

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So Custard's plays a of smaller part. And that's the thing about Atari was that they didn't make it so that you needed that permission to make cartridges for the machine. Anyone could. Yeah. And so like pornographic games, the kind of thing. But obviously it's the Atari, so they all look ridiculous. I can see screenshot from this one.

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Yeah. So the Rangers basically you play as General Custer and Custer in a cowboy hat and belts and nothing else. And the games that like you just raping an Indian girl. Yeah, I'm seeing that. A Native American, at least to me, you know Aleisha.

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Yeah. Sorry. In fact, yeah, there was a huge furor over that game, understandably, when it came out. Yeah. So that goes like a miniature scandal. And most obviously, like the video game crashes, mostly Etzel. That was a real shot to the leg, as it were, for the whole enterprise. Well, this.

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Yeah, I hadn't heard about this. Wow, um, Spaceways or Spaceways, and of course, that's a big thing, isn't it? Oh yeah. I lost faith when I see I've only seen Amandola gave off on all four.

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Everyone is right there for free.

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If you're in UK, watch spaghetti westerns during the 1960s and 70s. Snow Western. Yeah, this is all the stuff we've been talking about, I guess Kaskowitz. And oh, of course the Western is the Great Train Robbery. Have you seen have you seen a great train robbery?

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I've not seen the Great Train Robbery that someone has had to watch it for class.

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Yeah, I did have to watch it for a class and it's quite good actually. It holds up, um, I mean, obviously it doesn't hold up, you know. Well, but it holds up pretty well. It's pretty cool.

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What's the rough floor of the Great Train Robbery, the robbery, the following the robbers. That's what I assume.

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Yeah. They rob a train, they celebrate robbing a train, then they get in a gunfight with the law. And I believe the law wins, if I remember correctly. Okay.

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Well, I was wondering if maybe like with Hays Code and stuff, maybe like a trend from classical Western onwards, you sort of see a slight change of allegiance from like sort of Robert Redford, like very morally good cowboy to the varmints varmints. Sorry for then.

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Yeah. Um. Yeah, well, there you go. So, yeah, plot summary, yes. Twenty twenty five minutes and maybe less.

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The thing is, I'm not sure how much we're going to talk about this film, so I feel like it's necessary. Actually, it's good to set the ground. Exactly. So we start off on a snowy field, as I said, and we get, you know, a trend which I love so much and we'll continue to extol, which is that you do the credits before the film starts. The film has a main theme tune, which you will get to later.

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But the theme tune that plays over the credits is terrible, like genuinely awful.

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It's very like I can't remember it is it is not the one with lyrics.

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OK, yeah. I don't I, I actually did say I vaguely remember not being a big fan of the opening, but yeah.

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Which is weird because most Westerns like the one thing you can sort of guarantee is that someone with a lot of effort into one theme tune.

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Well I don't I don't believe this film has a composer. And this is not obviously it does, but I don't think maybe.

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Let me have a look.

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I don't remember seeing, like, you know, composed by what was what was the guy that passed away recently that was like the big W?

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I'm so sorry. I don't remember. He did all of Sergio Leone.

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Leonys Yeah, I remember. He passed away. Let me let me follow up.

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On the other hand, I must say, for the opening credits is a very lovely Ennio Morricone.

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Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, well, we don't have to do everything so great. Duncan, you selfish. What did you say? Give him a break. Doesn't have to be every film.

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No, I'm saying it's every film, but I'm just saying I don't think this. Well, Jeanny video. Italian composer, OK, did have an Italian composer, so I guess that does very much make it spaghetti Western. Well, there you go. There you go. Anyway, the opening credits, the tunes that we start, a highway robbery. We got sledgehammers, partner, and they sort of, you know. Go chase the stagecoach down, as you do, and there's an accident during the sort of person sitting in the shotgun seat gets out the shotgun and then drops it when sledged, tells them hands up and stuff, and then get Shilat, the gun goes off and shoots the driver in the head, which is pretty brutal.

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Yeah, and the church is not happy about that. So she was but it's not if you say it feels bad because it was unnecessary because he's not all that serious. Is redeeming character trait. Exactly. But, you know, he and his partner, they robbed the stagecoach and they go off to the local saloon slash brothel, it's called the free WS, which is because there's got water for horses. And with a woman for men, you're damn right.

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Wonderful name.

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So, Waitaki. Yeah. I mean, you know, I'm not sure how Western is either, though.

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I guess it could be it feels like, you know, the signs they have in the background and like The Simpsons or Futurama and stuff like sign ups.

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OK, yeah it's that's so. Yeah.

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Really. Yeah. So they go to the slewed and they have to keep the traditional tense scene where they walk in, there's a very weird choice to have this film really like shot scenes are a shot from the floor, looking upwards often in ways that don't quite make sense, sometimes in ways that do so. They have one of those where it's almost as though you're trying to look up the skirt as he walks into the saloon. Yeah, and he does the most delightful of cowboy activities and orders.

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Two entire bottles of whiskey for ten dollars for ten dollar reviews. Pretty good price, if you ask me, is a good price. But these cowboy, I just I really I think cowboys drink a lot of whiskey in films. I hadn't really quite realized just how much until the scene where you were just two entire bottles, but once for him.

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Once for his partner. Yes. He still drinks an entire bottle of whiskey, which I don't think I'd be able to do. I know about a maybe and then your half a bottle would be me destroyed for.

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Yeah, I think out but the amount that people drink in films is never. And like the people tend to drink a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot in films, don't they?

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Yes, to be fair, when. So it's cool, it's cool, it's cool to drink. You know, the way James Bond and they can look to the camera and say, Gordon's gin, please.

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Yeah, a bottle of gin, please. Problem still happening here and I there at the freeways and let us down for that first. So now it's not water for his horse and whiskey, he's going to get that woman yet. So he goes, you know, spends a very sort of romantic time with his lady. I think she called. Yeah.

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Yeah, she she's Italian. And so she's on the other Italian people on the film. And so that's his girlfriend.

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But she is also a prostitute.

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And yeah, it's a very yeah. It's quite interestingly shot scene, just that the is got shaky cam as it were. Yeah. It feels very intense. I think it actually worked quite well.

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I suppose to do this but. But sure, you asleep at the wheel? I let Jesus take the wheel whenever whenever sex comes on, Jamie, I shouldn't look at that stuff.

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So anyway, so I just partner goes down and he starts playing poker, you know, with his winnings. And then we get the real theme song for this film, The Real Meat of It, which is a wonderful, beautiful piece. It's like a guitar song with someone singing about the baby.

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And what happens what happens if you take another man's gold?

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What happens if you take another man's gold? So remember, you've been told about worshipping gold. That's who that's the one lines.

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Do you know who wrote that song, Jimi?

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I do not know who the Scottish guy called Bill Martin and an Irish guy called Phil Culter. Bill Martin, I'm assuming it's not the same one, I was the Beatles producer. I, I don't think so. Bill Martin, he passed away this year in March.

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Oh, wow. That's a recipe. He was not he oh, he he worked with, uh, this Tokuda guy a lot. And he wrote a paper on a string congratulations back home by England's World Cup squad.

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But really, my heroes. What the fuck. Wow. What a great leap. Oh, my God.

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Jamie, this is unbelievable. This is unbelievable.

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The guy with the. Oh, my God. OK, the people the two people that wrote the song for this film all wrote back home. And they're not English. So that's such an English song.

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V I'm just going to order the song isn't very well written. Well back home. I haven't listened to back home, but the theme song for this film, at the very least was very clumsily arrested and it's got a couple of awkward rhymes. Yeah.

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Does, um, I guess they could they could not be that good at all. Anyway, Bill, Martin, rest in peace. Phil Coulter is still active, not rest in peace.

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I should say I for Bill Martin's legacy. I love the song dearly. This is not the first time we will see it in this film, is it? It goes very hard. It's very passionate about what it's about, yet it lets you know it's about gold.

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Beccles and it lets you know, Jim, you know what happens when you touch another man's gold?

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Yes, just remember what you've been told about worshipping gold, just so many. And it's sung by Stephan Gerstmann. And so just to let everyone know. Right. So in what we will discover is a bit of tasty foreshadowing after this particular game, such as Paola's kill for cheating, I think actually or being accused of cheating.

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No, I kill for money. I think you should put some money. I don't think he's killed for cheating.

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I think he just come for money and sort of tries to help. But he's too drunk, perhaps because he's drunk the entire bottle of whiskey. Hmm.

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He's pretending to be drunk. I was just. Oh, yeah. Of course he is just pretending. Yeah, that's totally fine after drinking. Intocable Yeah.

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More surprisingly, he's literally fine. He pretends to be drunk. He walks on the stair and so he walks down the stairs and to the two guys that shot his friend are like, oh, look at this drunk idiot, go back to bed, drunkard. And he stumbles on the stairs and he stumbles upon and then they push him on top of his dead friend. And then he gets his dead friend's gun and he goes, pop, pop, like a like housum all dead, a red dead redemption fucking bang bang, popping the head pop in the head, the Boylan's and the piano.

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The piano starts playing because it's not so yeah it does the the wonderful does the the thing where the body dead body falls on the piano and then it does to the tune. It's great. Yeah.

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Because the piano is one of these like wind up automatic ones pieni baby. Yeah. And the guy falls in it and the room suddenly living on the living.

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Yeah.

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And Jamie who else is in the pub. The saloon. Oh the old man.

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The old man who is never named in the whole film despite being in pretty much every scene from now on is called Old Man and that's the I really like her.

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I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. Well I mean, you know, it's not like Sledge would ever learn his name as a character or anything like me.

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You know, I forgot people's names all the time on this show. I'm not forgotten.

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The old man's name would be helpful every film if every film had like that in it.

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If I was just allowed to refer to characters as that guy, no matter how much you these things and the main cowboy and the old man go up the hill to see the blonde woman with the big bananas.

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Yep, yep. That's everything we're seeing. So the old man, he's very impressed by Sledge obviously, and he follows slides as he goes away from the free to not the snowy cowboy land, more cowboy fare and slave nurses. The old man's following him and lets you know he has a bounty on his head. So he's about to do to the old man was targeted to that poor butcher two weeks ago.

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Yeah, he hangs. He does hang you up, but he hangs him up with ropes, I should say. Not through his lung.

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Yeah, no. Unlike Trog, he does not hang up on the hook for his thing. He just hangs about with a bit of rope so.

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Yes, quite nice. Yeah, yeah, but anyway, the old man says that is way out for the bounty. He's out to give them some information, which is about what he knows about some hidden gold.

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He knows about another man's gold.

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Yes, but hidden gold is another it's another check in your Western scorecard, I'm sure. Everyone. Yeah, but this hidden gold and a double whammy is hidden in a prison baby. That's like a big mine where they get gold all the time because, you know, the gold rush days and then transported seventy five men transported to a prison where it's held. It's no 40 minutes, transported 40 men. So, yeah, I assume it's held in the prison to be transported further.

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But they never really talk about that. There's gold in the prison, baby.

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Yeah, they they do. They do talk about it. Sort of. Yeah, that's a clear one slap on the exposition about the gold. No, I think at one point I was being transported at one point to see where it goes. Yeah, just I'm sure.

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Yeah, it comes out.

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It comes out. The important thing is it comes out. The mine you trade, my sports gets escorted by 40, 40 hand-picked soldiers and then it gets locked in the safe in the prison.

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Yes.

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That's how you know exactly. Uh, so sledged rounds off his old gang. Yeah, I'm sure they have names. I don't remember any of them say they I owe them.

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One of them was called Tukur and Ward. Ward. True. Yeah. Does it.

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I remember. Yeah, you'd think they'd be a lucky cast of characters. They aren't really they just kind of they're you know, that's fine, too. Yes. Yeah. You know, they don't. Not every gang has to be a bunch of lovable misfits. They can just be people.

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Hmm.

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So they decided, OK, well, obviously, you know, we can ambush the gold train as we did, you know, as we always do with our highway robbery. And then we can steal this gold and it's enough gold that they'll be rich forever among themselves. So they decide, you know, oh, they have a little scuffle with the sheriff because they stop off a town, look to stock up on ammo and stuff and the old as the old man's job to get it, they get rumbled by the sheriff because it's a bit suspicious.

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When an old man buys enough for 12 people, it's under the sheriff.

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The sheriff recognizes him. Yeah, I still think the old man was in jail in that town. Yeah, well, she wouldn't be recognized in the town itself. A law enforcement official would certainly recognize him yet.

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Yes. But, you know, they escape. It's cool. They have a little shootout here in shootouts. So therefore you eat and be merry.

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Exactly. I was trying to remember what happened. Yeah, you OK? Yeah, so they talk about gold and then they go and try and find the gold train and then they go to the disco to a. Yeah, the scouts are out and they see the old train and Sledge's is a bit more optimistic, like the general consensus is we can't beat that many soldiers.

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And Sledge Sledge says, I'm going to ride out and see how they react. And he rides out and immediately they get in like a full battle formation. And yes.

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And they really love that battle formation. It's almost like I've never I've never seen a battle formation so perfect.

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Exactly. I never seen no horses lined up like that before. My goddamn life. Never, ever.

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The battle formation is cross, by the way, which, you know. Yeah. Seem that unconventional.

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But maybe it is big. I guess, you know, I guess it defies the imagination to me.

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As someone that has never been in the Wild West, I don't know what the battle permissions are.

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Let's put him in a high mountain to get too many bad apples out in the West anyway, you know, so they sort of make a camp pointlessly.

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Really. The old man gets laid at some point. Now we all know that happens.

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The old man gets laid. Yeah.

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You don't remember that wonderful scene? The old the old man comes out of the tent and like all the old man's had his way with him.

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I was like, yeah, you boys should have seen me when I was younger than one of them. Starts playing accordion. The old man starts dancin. Oh, I remember that.

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I just I obviously missed the sex, but oh, there's no, like, actual sex scene.

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The man just emerges from the temple. I get it done. Had sex.

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They they all get very drunk on whiskey.

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Mm hmm. But, you know, again, some obviously sledged comes out, comes up with a brilliant scheme, which is that he's going to get himself arrested and then that way it'll be in the prison, break out of the prison and take it all with him yet.

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And the person who gives us that is the old man.

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Concealments said something about the woman says, the closest you'll ever get to the old man, old man, you say prison.

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And that's why he knows the goal is there. Yes, he's been in prison next to the gold for 20 years. He was six inches away from the gold and he keeps going.

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You and then he thinks that he's, like, ruined his day and he's like, oh, the closest you'll ever get to that gold is being inside the prison.

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And then Sledge goes, oh, being inside inside the prison. A very rubs his chin, rubs his chin.

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And then he says, we ain't going to drink no more whiskey until we got that gold. And then the old the old holler and hurrah and er.

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Yeah. And that's what happens. So one of the Sledge's gang members, I think, pretends to be the marshal, right? Yeah, that's war talk or bounty hunter. Yes, that's what who is played by Dennis Weaver, who was in July.

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He was in jail, Jimmy. What's true, Steven Spielberg's first film? Oh, oh, do you eat out? Yeah, do, yeah, it's just that you, I guess, rather than just. During his interview, he's in Spielberg's first film, which, by the way, is an awesome film, and you have extolled its virtues to me.

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I know I have had you've certainly seen it, so I'm seeing it again. Well, it comes out in 1971.

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So, you know, for certain is perhaps next year, Jamie, then you'll you'll you'll get your day in the sun anyway.

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He's good enough and he's good in this. And he's called Daytripper and he plays word. Yeah, so Ward pretends to be a bounty hunter and he's like, I've got a sledge, I'm taking them to, you know, Tashman. Yeah, I'm a bit worried about sleeping around. So, you know, you've prison fellas.

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Could you hold on to him for a..

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Yeah. Overnight. Could you could you look after both of us? Yeah. Could you lock us both up is what he says. Yeah.

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And they're a bit like, OK, that's not really what prisons for me. Yeah. But, you know, he he eventually talks around, including the sheriff who they interacted with earlier. He's annoyed that he got this beat on a sledge right now. But, you know, he'll get in one day. And that's also the sheriff's last seen at. So they end up in the prison. It's a very it's a very not nice prison, very convincingly and it's horrible.

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Yeah, it's like someone from Skyrim, they go underground and it's all like. Mm hmm. You know, tunnels and darkness. That's I said it's just like Skyrim was the fact of prison drama the whole time.

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Exactly. No.

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You know, when you go in a cave and scream, oh, I don't know, you get some you get sent to prison in Skyrim if you go to Markieff or whatever it's called.

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Well, everyone well, every Elder Scrolls game starts you off as being a prisoner. Lost the big guy.

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No, but this this is partway through Skyrim. You get sent to prison, I'm sure. And spoiler alert in. I'm looking at my map of Skyrim, though, to remember which time it is. Uh, I think it's maquette. It's like up in the mountains and you get sent to prison and then you have to escape. You literally cannot continue doing anything until you escape the prison. And it's very much like this. It's like down the mine and it's so dark and dingy and that's what it reminds me of.

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So it's on the ground. The prisoners are all shouting and they're all very nasty man. They're very nasty men. But, you know, they get themselves locked in and then Sledge has he has something taped to his back. That's like the strategy.

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I can't actually remember what little God Logan. Sorry, little little Logan. Logan Ward obviously got sheriff out of the sludge, out the handcuffs there, his handcuffs, so he would have the key of the inmates make a lot of noise, not because of any final hours, but just because that's what they do. Yeah. Say one of the guards comes down and he beats one of them on the hand with his crotch.

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Yeah. And at this point, more disabled started coming over and he over power through the bars hilariously and beat him on the head.

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I didn't think it was that funny, but, you know, no, I'm saying hilarious is and it seems ridiculous. I'm morphing into the second guy that comes in, which I'm sure you're. Yes.

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The second yeah. So, uh, the first guy has keys and them and they're like, hey, we've got keys and I can get out. And it turns out they're on the right.

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And then the prisoners go, oh you idiot. Mac doesn't have the keys for the cells. Right.

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So these are these are the keys to his house, these idiot.

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I mean, just like these are keys to the block. Right. Got the keys to the cells.

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And then sure enough that, you know, in a video game when it's like, oh, you got the blue card, but this door is the red cortically or more you fucking idiot, you incompetent.

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So fucking it. It's coming down the hole and they're like, oh, shit, what are we going to do? I'm not the other guy's lying down on the floor. It's knocked out. So they decide to Weekend at Bernie's, as we call it in the biz. Yeah.

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Pull them up. So it looks like he's standing up.

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It looks like he's standing up, but his head is bleeding, so they have to have him facing them. So it looks like he's standing up, leaning against the cell with his head and in between the bows. So the other guys on the stand were like, hey, are you okay? Yeah, and it's over. And they overpower him as well.

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Well, then so, yeah, the other guy walks in and. The cell the cell block is a corridor with with the cells either side, and he walks in the middle and then he sees his friend Mike passed out and instead of raising the alarm, he slowly walks backwards until he hits the cells behind him, at which point he's grabbed by a prisoner through the bars and he makes no effort to fight, fight the prisoner off. As the prisoner's passing down the cell, they reach into cell and grab him.

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At no point does he flail or try and hit them or try and release himself.

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He just accepts that he's being dragged down the cells by prisoners that were stuck in the cells all the way until you can get the gun on him.

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And then he puts his keys. Yeah, that's you know, I'm sure the training standards aren't that high and old timey Western traditional.

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So the keyssar fall down in the middle of the corridor and there's a scene where, like one prisoners really having to stretch to get out. Yeah, but he manages and he's about to unlock his own cell fast, as you'd expect him to, and then was like, nah, mate, toss him over here. And then he does for some reason. So Ward and Sledge are now out and they start releasing all the other prisoners and release everyone because we need a prison riot as any prison break does, obviously.

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Exactly. And then during the ensuing chaos, the rest of Sledge's gang come in.

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And the Plan C, it turns out, is that they were going, for some reason the safe with the gold in the cellblock. The plan is to get the warden down and then they can hold the warden at gunpoint because the word knows the word knows the combination.

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Yeah, but unfortunately, the warden gets killed in the riot. Yeah. So in a bit of a sticky wicket, but Sledge has a little bit of a trick up his sleeve to exploit the old man's psychological trauma for his own benefit. So he tosses the old man in the cell. The old man starts to have a nervous breakdown due to PTSD, understandably, from being in the cell for 20 years or so. But it's like, I won't release your old man unless you remember the combination because you were here for 20 years.

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So the old man's able to remember from the sound of the clicks, the combination to the cell is not so safe. And there's a very tense scene, very quiet, very sort of. It's very well done. Yeah, the safe doesn't open that fast. It's like, oh, shit, what's going to happen now? The stuck and then the old man remembers at the last minute, you got to turn the handle two times. So then they get in the safe, they get their gold, baby, and shoot it and get out of there.

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They hide it. That's a heist. Yeah. So, you know, there they are. They're way in the desert. Celebratin, they divvy up their share, not in the pirates fashion, because Sledge gets to take two shares of gold as everybody else, and they get to take one share.

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Yeah, but one of the pirates was pirates fashion. So a fun fact is that pirates were one of the first democracies in the world and that in pirate ship, every single member of the crew would get an equal share of any sort of. All right. And so the captain would get one share and so would like, you know, crew, the crew nest boy.

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As I look out, I watch Captain Pugwash and the crew boy, one boy netnet, the next named any other than any other role on the ship.

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But, you know, Topman or cook, but, you know. Yeah, I don't know. I parachutes probably shouldn't have dedicated, you know.

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Uh, no, they probably did it. So they were looking at surfers in Treasure Island.

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Oh, that's true. It's Treasure Island, historically accurate is Robert Louis Stevenson. Well, as a writer or as a person, as a writer. What else did he write? He didn't do Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. He did lots of slightly damning. And Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Louis Stevenson. Let's see what you did for Mr. Hyde. So I don't think it's easy for me to see above all else. Are you there? Yes. Oh, yes.

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Could you hear, hear? Could you hear me saying, are you there? But oh, OK, well, I can hear you and revolutions and he did Treasure Island, don't you commiserate and kidnapped and you know, his wife was called. But not myself would be very cool. Why don't you tell me who on board Fanny Stephensen? Pretty funny, yeah, but anyway, I was saying, Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde is not. So a great precedent for accuracy above all else, plus passing by the solar model or mark against it.

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OK, so right. So Treasure Island is not so long. Just so maybe they didn't have CUCs.

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I think they had Kyuzo General, I presume. It depends on the size of the ship and the. Yeah, yeah that's fair.

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Why in God's name we're talking about this. Oh yeah. Because they're giving out the gold. Yeah. You know they almost get an equal share apartments and then one of the guys like Hey, who wants to play cards because you know, he's trying to really maximize shareholder gold and then return of course, to our favorite character, which is the second time round baby Oncor. Even more tense about telling us what we should know about worshipping gold. And that follows other men's gold.

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Yeah, I'm so followed by a montage of people playing cards and looking very deranged while they do it and laughing and stuff.

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The montage is very interesting. It's like something out of Easy Rider. It's very yeah, it's very bizarre.

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So it's almost psychedelic. Almost psychedelic, isn't it?

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It's very close to psychedelic. If it wasn't for the fact that it's also very dedicated to making the cards look as intimidating as possible and does not manage. Yeah. So you'll see like deranged faces of white people laughing, particularly old man. And then like it will also have a shot of someone shuffling cards. Yeah, I a very intense guitar player talking about the curse. Yeah.

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I was a very fortunate, you know, to be honest, I like it a lot. I make fun of it because I love it. I really love the theme song. Anything that features it is fantastic.

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But yeah, anyway, they play their poker game and if you remember, I'm all good, but at one point, kind of out of nowhere, the old man just shoots one of the other people playing the game because was eating. Yeah. And said, well look, you know, fair's fair. He cheated and yeah. You know, it's his life wasn't his anymore from the moment he cheated.

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Yeah you're right. He says, he says it was the old man's right to kill him.

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Yeah. It's like, you know, I wouldn't have done it personally, but, you know, totally above board for every great person actions available to him.

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That was one of them. Yeah, I looking for it. You wouldn't have gone for it. But finally he did.

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This is right. Personally, I've never. But you know. He did.

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Yeah. Yeah. Who are we to judge. Really. Yeah. But you know, as a sort of. Acts of justice, maybe you could say life says, I'm going to play against you, old man. I'm going to win all of your gold off you and a game of cards. I'm going to really game of cards. But Sledge wins and he gets, you know, is now free shares of gold. And he's like, OK, peace out.

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So long, buckaroos. Yeah. And he rides off to another town and a Spanish team. Well, yeah. Looks like in terms of. Yeah. Sort of unique aesthetics that this film has this film. This is what sort of arrives in this Mexican Catholic town as a dance or religious ceremony, sort of like and like this lady with a skull mask and stuff. So it's, again, quite unique. Look, I mean, a lot of Westerns are involved like have like Catholic trappings, as it were.

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I guess that's the part of the country it was. But I don't see too strong in all of them.

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I'd say no. I would say no. Not at all. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. You know, again, that's another nice little twist.

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Yeah. Yeah. So I was going to say one of my criticisms of this film, I think was the time to bring up is obviously the film, as the theme song tells us, many, many, many a is supposed to be like, how about the corrupting influence of money or whatever like House taught and these people apart? But I find that the disagreement that they have comes across a little natural to me, a little forced. I don't know if that's right.

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How the.

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Just the arguments over gold are up, so suddenly, I feel it's a bit, it seems to me, to sticking to the outline, if you know.

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Yeah, I think so. I mean, there could definitely be an argument that that's the point is it's to show how people act in such a high stakes thing. So I guess from that point of view, yeah.

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But it definitely, definitely worth trying to say is that I feel like it's like, OK, at this point, you know, when they're doing like the outline, they're like at this point they'll fall out over the gold. And then I don't think the actual script white gets to the point where I justifies that.

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Yes. Yeah, I would agree. Um. So it comes off feeling a bit moralistic in a way that just feels a little unnatural, you know? Yeah, and this is a shame.

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I was thinking, I think it's bad. And then we suggest improvements on the show quite a lot. Obviously, we usually say things that are very conventional. So I tried to be a little bit wary about that because obviously it's better to be unique than anything else, I think.

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But another way you could structure this film hypothetically, if you were going for that message, would be to open with the heist and then have the entire film about. You know, the arguments over the gold, sort of like Western Reservoir Dogs, as it were. Yes. You could do maybe that would make more sense.

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Again, although I feel like the quite boring the things that.

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Yeah, I feel like the. I feel like it is structured pretty well to. Key keep parts just to you have is it's very traditionally structured and usually the introduction and then you have like the big thing that happens and then the reaction to that big thing and then the final one, we're about to come onto the final set of her. And so it's structured very traditionally, but I feel like that kind of works. I feel like you don't have to mess with that.

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You can do definitely. And I'm sure to felt it did, but I would still be a good film, would be a good film with. No, no.

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I mean, I suppose what I'm trying to say is that obviously like the meat of the film thematically is the fact that they all have goal of the fallout over it.

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Yeah, but that's only 20 minutes of the film. Yeah, yeah.

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I guess if you look at it that way, that is obviously supposed to be what the film is about and then. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I don't want, I don't want to jump away and saying, well you know me.

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With my zero years of experience I've figured out this puzzle, this little, this little, uh, little hope the structure film question little.

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I think I've got it. Got it. Got to be understood. Fully understood.

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Her boy's heart of a hero's journey. Didn't think so.

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Well, you know, it was actually only seven stories, Jamie, that anyone's ever told.

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Exactly. I didn't come up with that just because it sounds cool, verifiable.

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What's that? What's that guy called? Like the hero's, uh. Uh, heroes. Oh, it's, uh, yeah. Man was the guy Joseph Campbell? Yeah, yeah, is that right? Possibly it sounds familiar. I don't know if that's right. There's a guy that has said to basically one story that everyone tells and then there's another, there's another.

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We have worry. There's another theory that it's like seven stories that everyone always tells or something that we are not credible.

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Stands on this podcast. Please get out of here. Are I?

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Yeah. You're breaking up a lot, by the way. I position the same I mean, obviously, it's probably just said they might pick up again and yeah, there there's there's cause I, I'd say I've totally lost my train of thought on this this morning.

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If you're on the monitor, I'm on the Monomyth among the most among them on the left and I'm on the Monomyth and.

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And yeah. I feel like there's a lot more I feel like yes, I feel like you're OK, I've got I've go I was going to say, OK, I feel like every single story.

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Yes, you can simplify it down to fit into the hero's journey or to fit into whatever people have come up with as like the stories. But you could fucking simplify anything down to fit into things, or you could compromise certain things to to sort of fit it into this thing or another. But I think everything is unique unless it's directly copying something. And even then there's there's individual decisions have had to be made. So I really I really don't think that it's fair to say it, because I think you could.

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I think you could you could you could fit anything into anything if you tried to like the hero's journey, like if you're wanting to, like, structure something like the story and you use that as a template, that's fine. But if you're saying saying every film fits into it, I think is delusional. Exactly. Because because they don't. Yeah. It's surprisingly specific for something that's supposed to be about everything.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And the example people always choose the Star Wars, which is a stupid example, is based off of.

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Yeah. And his his argument is that he's analysed. Every story, you know, I mean, it's very nice and stuff and come up with this story, but sure he has, but like.

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I don't believe him, is my answer. Yeah, I believe him, but I don't think that it's that I think it's forced. It feels forced in cases that's forcing a conclusion out of data, I feel.

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Yeah. Plus, like, I don't know, it's a real mess or anything, but most of them aren't really functional stories, I'd be honest, lie at least in the forms that we know of them, you know.

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So here's the here's the hero's journey. Right. You've got. Yeah. Ordinary, ordinary world, the call to adventure, refusal of the coal meeting, the mentor crossing the threshold test allies, enemies, approach to the innermost cave. The ordeal rewards seizing the sword. The wrote back resurrection return to their ordinary world. It's like it just is not.

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No, my Lord, that you could force any film into that narrative, but or any story like meeting the mentor, for example, that's a genuinely pretty specific requirement.

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Yeah. What happens in a lot of films, but Bill does not every film has to have even a character who's more knowledgeable than the protagonist. But I would say the broadest possible definition mentor.

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But what they do is they they say like, oh, at this point they realize that their father had been a mentor to them and he died six years ago. Or, you know, it's like the the the they saw something or noticed something and acted as a mentor. And it's like, well, that's obviously not what the point of it is. It's just a lot of these things, they're just too specific. Yea, and people people written to them too much and forced into them too much.

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I feel this big, particularly among people who are just sort of beginning to understand like like structural reforms are ever this is really big temptation to look for like this key, like you find the key and therefore that will be the objective answer. Yeah.

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To as it were. And then and then you were like, what does this film mean? And like they want like a six word answer. It's like that know where is it's unique to everyone.

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But the thing is people I mean, you, you watch a bunch of films that are made in a traditional manner and then you hear about this kind of thing and you think back to those films. You think, yeah, every single film does, but then it's the ones that don't fit into that really make you think and really bring out a reaction like that's a film can be great and doing a film can be absolutely great and fit into these traditional narratives and traditional things.

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But like, it's not the be all and end all. Yeah, exactly, so, yeah, that's like Don Harmon, writer of Community and. Brick and mortar, among others, I know that he like always fixes stories into the hero's journey and they're usually quite well, I would say that you do notice like issues like they do feel a bit repetitive at times. So I don't know. Yeah. You know, there's other structures to exactly make way to get back to the point.

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You're mad about gold all of a sudden. Yet the old man who everyone was really mad about, man, you know, a few minutes ago says, hey, let's all go get Sledge's gold from him yet. Then we Servet guys. Really?

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Yeah, I think it's like a bloody socialist genie putting a liberal cock.

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Well, you know, Duncan, now that you've reframed it that way, you're right. They ruined that with the old man is right. He's just really just reclaiming the wealth.

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Exactly. You know what? Why does sled's deserve three times as much of a share as anyone else? Really don't shouldn't they all split equally and not be responsible for how they spent it? That's how socialism works.

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Exactly. Jamie, I'm glad you glad. You know, the way that socialism works is that everyone gets an equal share and then they spend it and then they're allowed to say, wait, actually, no, I won't.

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Baxley's that's that's what people want to me, that's what they want anyway.

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So it's just sort of just arrived in this town. The old man's like, yo sled's, give us half your money and we'll leave you alone. Otherwise we're going to go kill you. That call Fam Sledge says, no, no, that's not cool. And they go, OK, we're just going to kill you. Yeah. So Sledge's has a shoot out with his old gang. That's the last. Western cliche, if you take off your listlessness and the old man, oh, no, we've got one more.

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The old man reveals about halfway through that he's got Sledge's Lady Love. Yeah. As a hostage. And he's like, you should yell for him. And she goes, fuck you.

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Yeah. You're going to kill him anyway. You're going to kill them anyway, and it's like oil, you'll have to deal with Cali or whatever one of the guy's names is, then he rapes her.

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As I'd say, there's more what could be deemed an implied rape scene here, which would obviously be very not cool, and that the only reason that would I think is possible what you see is Carly so says, you know, you're not here with me now. And he takes off his jacket the next scene where we see where she's been thrown off a building. Yeah. So that's all that happened. And I just we just misinterpreted it. But it certainly looks like it's an implied rape scene, I think is an implied rape scene.

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Yeah.

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If I had to if I had to choose a scene in this film to be a rape scene, it would be this scene. There is that weird way to phrase it, yes, as Savitsky will leave her that even OK.

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Yeah, but as Sledge's Lady Love is dying in his arms, of course, she says, we didn't need the goal to be happy yet give you a little bit of the the thematic message of the film and some sort of laser down. It's like, OK, soldiers now killed off every member of the gang other than the old man who rides with sleds for their final confrontation. Yeah, slideshow of the ground and the old man falls off the horse, I guess panics or slides, you know, points the gun at an old man's on the ground, on his knees.

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He says, Sledge, if you kill me, you'll never know where I've hidden the gold yet. Let me live and I'll show you to it. This is, you know, such a moment as a character. He's got to choose between good wholesome revenge. Yeah. Or getting the gold, you know. Has he learned his lesson? Has he changed that? The person has he learned the main underlying message was the film very helpfully reminds us of our very first flashback, or you get to hear his lady love saying we didn't need the gold to be happy just one more time.

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Exactly. Being three minutes.

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And she said the first time. Yeah. And just in case we forgot.

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And of course, Jimmy was alongside that, just in case you've forgotten what happens when you mess up other men's gold. They do also play the theme song you get around this point.

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Now, let's say Sledge writes the correct decision and he says, fuck you, old man, shoot them. Yet the old man's like I well, the gold to you, but you'll never find it.

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Yeah. And they buy sledge rides off among sort of graves with candles on them. And then we get one last go theme song and then a surprise twist. NARRATOR Goes like the curse of brotherman gold. I hope that you will see that man was me.

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And a shocking twist revealing what Sledge is the one who has been saying the not super great theme tune this entire time is telling the story all.

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Yeah, and that is a man pulled sled.

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So you an overall thought for that was that was quite the plot summary, wasn't it?

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It was good. Well, actually, really, do I have the cinematography in this film was nice and I was pretty good for close ups, but not so much for landscape as in, you know, I feel like when you're watching a Western, you you maybe expect some of the big vistas.

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So it was cold. Yeah. And there wasn't so much of that. There was a bit of that there. Not so much, but yeah. The close ups and stuff for sure. It really nicely. And you know it was all framed. Well it was good. Cinematography was good.

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Yeah, I was about to say, I think it was there has, like I say, has a slightly strange obsession with those shots filmed from the floor. Sorry, I'm being arrested again.

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And I come and we're like, yeah, it makes a couple of strange choices, I don't think, entirely. Well, yeah, but, you know, always nice to experiment. And overall, I'd say it's pretty well done. Pretty functional. Yeah. Yeah.

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Any images that will stay with me for the rest of my life.

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No, I think it's I've seen it and I've seen it. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is a very it's a very solid seven out of 10 Western. No.

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Oh. Are you reading it already. I'm not writing it because that's not our system. We don't use all the time.

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We don't use I tend to fucking but I'm just saying that as a as a B plus film you can tolerate, it's just a really emerin if you're just in the mood for an unexceptional Western done decently well. This is the film for you. It's just it's it's the template is what you want. So everything you want, nothing you don't want to expect. Yeah.

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Just so for you, I guess. And what is your rating in our ratings?

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Well. Why don't you remind ladies and gentlemen, one rating system is OK, and number one, don't watch it, just don't watch it. Yeah, if someone's watching it, you say, no, I'm not watching that with you. If if you have the option to buy it, don't buy it. Don't watch it, Bill.

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Number two is watch if it's on if you're sitting watching TV and the remote is just a little bit too far away from you or your friend says something, your friend says, I'm watching this with my dinner as well as we all know.

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You know, you walk into your room and your family is there and saying, I'm watching 1970s a manifold. When you're opposition, as it will be just one day, what do you do?

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You watch Evison. That's number to watch, if it's never free, is actively watch it. So if you're sitting and you're thinking, what film am I going to watch, if you can find this one for free on a streaming service or that you dare I say, dare I say illegally. But don't watch this film.

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It's not doing this on Dailymotion two times over and we paid for it this week.

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It's on Dailymotion Butchie. And this is one version of on Dailymotion. There's two versions of Jamie. We always pay for it. We've never we always watch illegally.

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We always there's nobody, however. Well, the people who upload the videos on the legal sites have not always done so in compliance with copyright law.

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No. And that's true. So isn't it. So I didn't have to pay for it. And however, I did pay for it so that it's no free is watch if you can get it for free rent number four is pay for it. So specifically go out your way to watch it and pay for it. Pay for it and pray and pay for it. I order the DVD, pay for it on Netflix if you're in the and as well.

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I would say Netflix if you already have a subscription as part of the.

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Yeah, I forgot the Netflix doesn't do buy stuff. Sorry. That was my God. Yeah that's my bet.

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Our fifth racing get the Criterion collection. Yeah. Or the special editions or some the merchandise or whatever.

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Just go full on. This is your new favorite. You should spend as much money as possible.

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Exactly. So I would rate this film. Watch if it's on. I was about to say the exact same thing. It's a solid. Is this the first time you've read the same? Camping, is it?

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No, I think we're right to watch it bizarre, and I would say we made a lot of films, but I think we tend to to go either side of each other. Yeah, that's true.

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I don't know if you've ever read the film the same on this podcast. Maybe we have. Maybe we haven't. Either way, we have today.

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This film is perfectly serviceable.

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As I was saying, if you are very specifically in the mood for a Western, that this is genuinely a perfectly good pick is however, I would say and there's probably better there's definitely better Westerns and it's probably better Westerns are available for free as well.

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And that is absolutely true. So I bought one we just to be clear, because we say like, oh, you can watch this film in the back way before I said that about too late, the hero for the second time. So so I just want to be clear that this is genuinely a good film.

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Yeah, it's pretty exceptional.

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Like genuinely, if you've seen if you've seen most of the you know, the big names, if you've seen the good, bad and the ugly Fasold, all the stuff like that, the questions that people know well and you just want to watch another one. I don't think that's true.

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Um, difficult to talk about the direct to Jamie. I'm going to be honest, I didn't look up to one about. This is a pretty heartbreaking story with a director and is he dead? Yeah. So well, OK, so it's called a fake Moreau and Vic Morrow. He's American. He was mainly an actor. Would you would you like to know how you how he passed away, Jimmy? Maybe not. Let's go. He got decapitated by helicopter blades on the set of Twilight Zone, the movie in 1982, alongside a pair of heart about alongside a pair of child actors.

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Him and two child actors were killed when a helicopter crashed and he specifically was decapitated by a helicopter blade.

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Yeah, yeah, I've heard about that. So these a pretty horrific.

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Oh, yeah, and his part in The Twilight Zone movie was he's a racist guy, and then he gets transported into the bodies of people that are victims of racism.

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So, yeah, but that's that's a very Twilight Zone movie.

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He becomes a Jew in the Holocaust. He becomes a black man getting lynched by the KKK, and finally he becomes a Vietnamese guy getting killed by American soldiers. And it was that that's where he got killed by the helicopter. And I assume he's I assume he's not in the film and the finished film, as I can tell.

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Far as I can tell, is a remake of four episodes stitched together. The only one of the episode, apparently. Oh, well, I'm finished.

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So I guess he finished his bits.

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I don't know what is Victoria.

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Victoria anyway, it's a pretty horrific way to die that we've had a few deaths like that on the podcast, haven't we?

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Well, don't say it sounds remarkably similar to the guy.

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He fell out of the plane. No filming. That was he was filming James Bond. Right. And then he fell out of the plane. Yeah, it's the same kind of like horrific on set if you don't get a lot of deaths on sets nowadays.

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I don't think the health and safety, health and health and safety. Yeah. Thank goodness.

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It's said for this Twilight Zone one that they set off a pyrotechnic that melted the blades of the helicopter. That's how it crashed.

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Which sends the segment is still an almost full time out. And it's the original story. Oh, so you're you're you're about to meet an angry man, Mr. William Turner, who carries on his shoulder. Chip, this is a sour man, a man who's tired of waiting for the breaks nearer to him, Mr. William Conner, whose own blind hatred is about to catapult the darkest corner of the Twilight Zone. It's Rod Sterling impression.

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Is it him that does the movie so. Yeah, OK. Cool. So, um, that was a nice note to end on the sounds suspiciously actually that one of those segments was not because it seems to be only free bodies that those are put into. Anyway, I am focusing less on tragedy. The guess is really in the abdomen. No, I don't think so, and I don't really know if I've got anything else to say at all.

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Um.

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Yeah, do you? You've been up to anything, I think I've never really been up to anything. I went to see the right arrows today and they cancelled. Yeah, and which is hilarious. I didn't go far to see your fault. I just went and I went uptown and then came home again. So it wasn't like it wasn't like I, you know, specifically went out of my way, Miles, to go see them. But it was a bit disappointing.

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And there were a lot of kids that were disappointed. I think it's all so. Yeah, that. So that's why I up.

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Yeah. I've I've been a little bit of a Brit come here recently, so I started watching Channel four Catastrophe and This Country on BBC One on the new Lemarque sitcom semidetached. Yeah. Which are all three of them are extremely good. Um. Really quite wonderful shows, if you can, a little a few little descriptions, catastrophe is the oldest of the bunch, as I think it started in twenty fifteen or something. It stars Rob Delaney. It's about like a couple who after one night stand, the woman becomes pregnant and they decide to have the child together.

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But obviously it's a very stressful time for them because they're now getting married and having a child together. And Rob, Rob's character lives in America. So he's having to move to the UK for this. And they're very worried about complications with the birth. The wife is possibly developing cancer also.

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But it's genuinely, really very funny as well. I think I've heard about it. Yeah, yeah, I was surprised. It's quite good.

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And yet I would say, no, no, I would say the best of the ones I've started watching this country, which stars Charlie Cooper and Daisy Mae, which is a mockumentary very much in the style of the U.K. office set in the Cotswold village following two young rural young adults.

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Yeah, this is very funny. I've seen clips from it and I didn't find it that funny.

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But I think it's one of those things where I think it only works as a whole because it's very character based, as it were. I'm going to also give the what I know is everyone's least favorite sort of qualifier on a recommendation, which is I don't think the first episode is very good. I was really sold in the second episode.

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Someone someone's died from it. Oh, yeah, the guy who plays the best friend died last year. Oh, that's a. Yeah, the last series of this country was this year. Right.

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But DMI Cooper is going to be on serious time of Taskmaster. And that's why I was watching. And people are wanting continuity in my interests from week to week. She also officially watched too much taskmaster. And now I watch another episode. I will kill myself.

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Yeah, you did what you really quickly because it is I can imagine one would get quite bored of it after a bit.

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And, you know, I watch like all the seasons I watched eight series and one episode of Series nine, and then I took a little break and then looking around myself at the end, I was like, if I watch another episode Taskmaster, I will scream.

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Yeah. So yeah, I always do that. I get very like intensely interested in things. And then like I look around me after, like my interest is burned up and I'm like, I cannot deal with this anymore.

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Not a symptom of autism. A sense of ADHD, you, Mofokeng, obsessed with things.

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Was I hyper obsessions or a lot of things? It's also just that stress is also financially.

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Yeah, I didn't mean to kill you to sleep there.

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Just the parts that I've been hyper focused on ADHD.

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I don't think I have it. I don't think so.

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And everything was just a so far as the as Mack Stewart is a middle aged man, his life is in crisis. So it's one takes a while. It's very similar to location.

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Oh, OK. I take the idea this interesting.

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And so yeah, I bet it doesn't get super good reviews where this country and catastrophe I think holds it quite well.

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Yeah. That very well. I, I liked it a lot.

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The reviews were calling it like a bit too conventional and stuff. But you know, I like convention. Yeah. Good. I suppose. I mean I'm sure like with comedy among anything else, I mean every reviewer's opinion is going to be colored by the fact that they have to watch way more television than anyone else. Yes. I mean, there's just so much particularly stuff that's cliche or derivative is going to be looked on much more harshly than it would be by the average consumer.

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But I think it's pretty good. I'm planning on watching the rest of it.

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Good. Yeah, I was naifs out last night, I forgot to say, oh, yeah, you did, and yeah, we're going to talk about it because I love that film. I thought it was very good. Mm hmm. So spoiler alert, if you've not seen I say stop listening now. Um, yeah.

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We are going to talk about anything.

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This is the last time we can talk about it. So if you're not seeing it, stop listening. Display there. OK, so I thought it was good and if I was really clever, I really like watching these films where you have to like try and work out what's going on. However, the Huehue did it like really fucking ruined it for me. Which one. Cute. When she's like, she's like the woman didn't say you did it, she said you did it.

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And I was like, yeah, well that's the dumbest fucking thing ever.

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You got no sense of fun, you pansy.

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I genuinely forgot that I was because it was so clever and it was like this, this, this, this, this. And she can had all these cool things like she can't. She froze, she lied. So she can't lie. And then she, like the film works I how to sort of not tell the truth completely. And then she gets tricked by this person and this person knows this and all this kind of stuff and and it's all coming out and it's all really good.

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And then it's fucking huehue did it instead of you did it. And I was like, wow.

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Yeah. And then after a couple of minutes I go back into it for the final big reveals where she's like, she's actually dead. I like it. You're going to prison. You just confessed it. And it goes like, yeah, you recorded it. That is. Yeah, but the humidity.

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I was not a fan of it all.

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I really I enjoy films a lot where, like, it feels like it's sort of like you say like a series of like it's just a lot of Chekov's guns, basically like twenty billion of them all set up. And that's the film. Yeah. My my for me very well. I genuinely love them even though like it was so clearly set up to be like a thing will come back later when it turns out it's a fake life.

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At the end I was like, oh my God, I loved it so much. I was like, yeah. I was like, well he's going to stop.

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And I was like, Wait, wait. Earlier on, Holland said he can't tell the prop nice from the real nice. And I realized it just as just as she started.

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And I was like I was like, oh my God, I fucking whenever I watch a film I think I said it's for in a podcast, I can watch a film and for two hours be bored out my fucking mind. By the end there's a twist or there's a callback or something. Just those last five minutes. And I leave the film with this like great feeling like if something at the end is really good, then I leave the film for good feeling and then I'm much more likely to to like it.

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So yeah, I did like that, but yeah, it's much more important and strong.

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Pretty much any other thing. Exactly. But that's, it's really one thing that's quite interesting and you'll notice as well. I'm the same for anyone who hasn't watched it. Uh is that sort of converts into a furler for the second part and switches back to being a who done it.

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Yeah, because you find out who did it earlier. You think you found out who did it almost immediately. At what point at what point did you realize that the morphine was not morphine? I genuinely I was like, I was thinking the background, that has to be another element to this. Yeah, maybe just as I'm a big rube until Daniel Craig that is doing a hole inside another doughnut hole thing, I hadn't occurred I hadn't put it together that actually someone else was responsible.

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Really, I, I was I think I don't think anyone else was.

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I was like I definitely I definitely didn't get it straight away, but I was definitely a bit quicker where I was like I was like, wait a minute. The morphine has been switched here because I was thinking because I sort of realized that she was definitely not going to be blamed for it. And then it's like, well, Daniel Craig is going to know what happened. So the only way that this is going to sort itself out is the. Yeah, I think if she didn't kill him and it was a suicide, I also know my background gas in the back of my mind was that was probably some kind of showy suicide or he didn't die at all.

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Those were my two. Right.

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I guess it was Chris Evans about the same time as well. I would say I definitely didn't get it before. It was something that you could work like. I didn't get there early or anything, but I guess the earlier than they revealed it. But that's the whole point. The film is like, yeah, you're supposed to to try and do it. And I was like, well, someone's hired. The big thing was someone had hired Benoy and I was like, well, in that case, they know that she's going to get caught.

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So they've hired him to.

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Yeah, yeah. Now there's something I read a while back so that like the trick to writing a good mystery novel is to present someone with an unsolvable puzzle, but to convince them that they could have figured out if they were just smarter.

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Yeah, that's true. Yeah. So at the end you're like, yeah, yeah.

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So like when power is like Miss Simmons and you'll be like and he was like, you know, here are these highly selective hints that I think, you know, I definitely could have done that. Finally, I think.

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Yeah, I think the key is to. The key is to make it so that they know everyone works, say, but make it so that some people can actually work it out but never they can never work it out fully until it's revealed, you know, so you can you can know that someone did it. But there's always a bit in the back of your mind until the detective says who it is. There's always I bet it's like, oh, maybe.

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I don't know.

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Like even if you even if you have worked out. And I think that's the balance you want to get, because if you make it so that no one can work out, then it's a bit like, well I think like a lot of the time, like you might figure out like, hey, wait a second.

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She said she was growing geraniums. Those don't grow at Christmas time and then they only like her. I think I don't think anyone would ever in a million years figure out the full power of speech from beginning. No, obviously, no, no, you're not really given the proper answers. I think it's quite an interesting contrast when you play like the of games and stuff like obviously in those, you have to be able to work out the case.

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Yeah, it's usually quite obvious. And but even then, as a result, it usually feels a bit more obvious. Even then it's you still feel really dumb when you don't get even if it's a hard one. Yeah.

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And then you don't get any like Falcons. So, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

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Um, I mean, it's just a mystery. Rydingsvard Yeah.

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Oh cool. Yeah. Cool. We did sign off.

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Yeah. Let's sign off. Let's call it Potti bio Picardy.

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But uh Duncan you haven't stopped. I will call it.

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OK, cool. I was just going to be speaking into the void, possibly no. Advance warning possibly for next week, next week is quite hard to find a film released that week. OK, that is one small one called Wanda, which I think we might be able to get a stream of. But if we aren't, then we are probably going to either have to cheat by looking at international release dates or possibly do another film from the year that we missed because we started halfway through.

[01:31:41]

So, you know, advance warning people who are sympathetic, but I'm sure it will happen. I'm sure we'll be fine. OK, bye bye.