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Hello, everyone. Well, those golden turkeys have, again, always, always starts talking over each other, doesn't it? Because we do. Our market does. I say OK, and you say hello. But it's fine. You know, our viewers that it's true. Our viewers.
Yeah. Look, this is anything our listeners are used to. It's us talking over each other. That's true.
It has happened quite a lot. But, you know, it's fine for a price. Mm hmm. Duncan, what's special about today's episode?
Well, since it's our big first episode, we're doing three films.
So for instance at all. No. So the main theme for this week is out of towners from 1970. But the choice for this week was between out of towners and a delightful film called Watermelon Man. And now we're going to Watermelon Man later. But and we both felt Jimi in particular, but we both felt there was maybe not the easiest film to discuss in depth and cheap spicy content. It's a bit spicy. And so when I go through it, I'm just going to kind of rush through my notes in it and not try.
And I don't know I don't really know what the sort of overall setting on this kind of thing is. And it's a little bit spicy. And so, yeah, the main is I was toners for this week. And Jamie, what's the remake of 10 years as well, didn't you?
I did in 1992 starring Steve Martin and Gwen Stacy or something.
I know the one from Spiderman, from someone named one Gwen. Yeah. Cool. So, um, yeah. So we'll we'll talk about the Tyner's 1970s. I mean, film Animala. Well I'm sure you'll discuss the remake. Right. And then I'll do a little bit on watermelon man. See what Jimmy thinks of my synopsis and comments on it.
And I you should watch it, but we'll get into well, recommendation's stuff later obviously. But yeah, you should watch it. All right. So I should be sorry for the historical context and then get into the.
Why not. Um, OK, so once again, I was using take me back to Teoh and they've still not sponsored us. Despite this being our first episode and three weeks in a row. Now, we've mentioned our company and we've got no sponsorship.
So we have ten eager viewers exactly as to how many how many views that are less and less. Well, that's not I mean, it doesn't matter. We're doing this for ourself, you know. Yeah, but we did get comment, so we can't comment on our last one that said, um, very funny or something. And but then if you're statistics and I don't think anyone watch past like ten minutes into it. So I wonder I wonder what he was commenting on.
I don't know anyway. And the historical context from take me back to Theo. So the only song that I recognized on the US top ten was Let It Be, and which is still it's still in the top ten.
There was no ten week account of what it was like to mean and successful.
Yeah. The Beatles Men Who Knew and the UK geeky guests were the UK.
No one was something about the Jackson five. No, it was back home by the World Cup squad third week in a row. Let me let me just quickly check. When was the World Cup JENO?
Uh, course, it was held from the very first Amazo from tomorrow and in 1970. So I don't know if that's going to fade out the account. They got knocked out in the quarterfinals. I think it was we talked about it in the first week anyway. So that was still England's World Cup squad was still number one in the UK and probably will be for another couple of weeks. And number two was still Spirit in the Sky by the Guardians of the Galaxy Band.
So that is a joke that keeps on giving. That's the first week in a row that we've used the into the Galaxy Band joke, actually saying Spirit in the Sky. I just realized I don't even own looking. I can look it up right now, it's on my phone as part of the guardians of the public Holyoake and the other one the other one who is in top five is House of the Rising Sun by frigid pink, same as last week.
So the UK top five was pretty much same as last week. And the US one might be insulted that I didn't really do that. And then I was looking at Life magazine as usual, and these these magazines, very lucky Life Time and Sports Illustrated, because they're the ones that are featured. And take me back to you. And as someone is incredibly lazy, it's very easy to just say go on that website and click on those magazines rather than looking at headlines.
And so Life magazine was very Vietnam War heavy this week.
Mm hmm. Um, featured, you know, a bunch of articles. And like, when we pull out and this happened and remembering people who died, all that stuff.
Norman Greenbaum wrote Spirit in the Sky. You know, I just feel relieved that.
That's right. That's right. That's a good that's a good song, to be fair. I can see why he was in top five. Um, yeah. So like Life magazine, very Vietnam War heavy. It's not really relevant to this week. I feel like we've talked about Vietnam a lot and I mean, we don't really know anything about it. So it's kind of like pointless to keep talking about it. But obviously it was happening at the time.
So it's useful to keep in mind and TIME magazine had an article about some black people that were killed in the South of America and a few relevant Thole not really told to this week.
And that was a few weeks after Kent State. And apparently it got a lot less like coverage and national thing. And there's a lot of outrage about that. So, yeah, I mean, that's pretty, um, to point in relevant today.
It's nice to know that we've advanced so far in the last 50 years is and then you know who was in Time magazine? Well, there was an article about how to keep control over crowds without killing people. And wow, it was Lizzi. It was titled like How to Control the Crowd Killing or something like that.
So is this just more like, say, a police officer who know it's it's about the military?
Because all the see, obviously a lot of police forces bring in the National Guard when the protests are really bad. And I mean, the police obviously are violent enough in America as we as we know. And, yeah, it's sort of like how how to get soldiers they're trained to kill, to use other tactics first before jumping ship to basically sort of love doing it.
And I couldn't imagine I was like, damn, this is like today.
You know, 50 days, it's crazy, it's still going on, but I guess that's the U.S. for you, isn't it? Yeah, pretty crazy backwards. Pretty backwards. Yep.
And I'm sure when I began thinking about watermelon man, well, like, I don't know, maybe I don't want to start any riots or anything.
Well, there is a riot in that anyway. We'll come to that later. And so that was all I had from the historical context. There wasn't really anything that jumped out at me. Sports Illustrated, I didn't look for it, but didn't really have anything majorly that was relevant. So, yeah, we can move on to the sort of general, good old stuff out of town.
Before we before we before we go into your plot bit.
So it came out, made a tape. I think Masrani, before I heard it two days ago from a recording and three days from when we were recording insincerity. This is a late one, isn't it, in the. Yeah. The grand scheme of things.
You're recording this at 10 p.m.. Yeah. I don't know. This week I felt kind of sweet. Yes. Well, I'm having an energy drink right now. Am I saying to the day, because I did not sleep well last night with the hope.
No, I didn't get to sleep until four. I got up and said, yeah, well I got like up like ten.
I think it's sleep, I don't know, free for something. And so I couldn't manage the warm.
I think tomorrow night I'm just going to like, stay up for. Yeah. Like this with you. Could, you could stay up and watch the comments come in on our video from all our all our international viewers. We're doing a premiere. Right.
I was tempted to say premiere. I don't know if that would get more viewers that people like feel like it's something that they're watching, like, you know, almost seems like a lifetime.
And anyway, you really watch those little premieres for me. I was like, I don't up and wait because. Yeah, but like, what happens is that, like, they upload it and then like it's like a two hour long video and I'm like about like forty seven minutes. And then I went, oh it was all this stuff happened. And then I'm not part but I'm like, I'll come back later.
Yeah. And watch the full video. Yeah that's true.
So yeah I'm pretty like high energy but I might suddenly crash because I'm on go on.
I am very low energy but I don't think I've ever been very high. I know, I mean I'm not, I'm usually not high energy told, but I'm, I'm on the I am the energy in the moment and that's our other sponsor. Right.
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It's all right anyway. Should we go back to film. All right. I'll towner's bounce a couple of their names. Yeah.
Well yeah. OK, go, go. All right. They all towner's. It's a film that was made in nineteen seventy. As we have discussed. Jack Lemmon, who usually appears opposite Walter Moffo does. He is not in this film, but I was looking it up just out of interest. And turns out Walter Matthau wasn't in a single film in 1970 despite having a long career. But yeah, it was in three films 1969 and three films in nineteen seventy one.
Was he was in rehab or something. I don't know, maybe what's his name, Walter. Walter Matthau, he was in Haydel, which is the film that saw the Hollywood like.
I don't know if I can recognize him. I think he was like it was one of those guys wasn't right. So, um, Jack Lemmon, actually. Yeah. Jack Lemmon was in some like it hot.
Have you seen that force of that? Yeah, you have. I've not really. No, no, it's free. All right. Oh, wow.
He's in. And he was also in a remake of 12 Angry Men I saw. Huh. How does that compare?
I don't know. So, I mean, as and I saw that he was in the scenery and I assume it's bad. I feel like I've heard this, but I don't know. I feel like 12 angry men probably benefits from the time period, you know, the black and white in the. Oh, yeah. Cinematography being kind of interesting for the time and stuff. I don't know how well I think it may me in 1999, which is the same as the same.
Yeah. Remake of this very film that we're watching. I guess they just like remakes then. Yeah. Well they like remakes knows more than they.
Yeah. Well now I feel you know got too many like straightup remains. It's usually reboots or.
Yeah. Reboots are a lot more common nowadays.
Like, like the twenty year later sequel I think is like the most common thing.
Yeah. Like Avatar too. Yeah. It's going to end up, it's going to happen eventually hoping that one day when they will be just as successful as the first one.
Yeah. Probably no. Do you remember seeing the first one.
I never saw the first one in cinema and my mom took my mom told the people I had to go to the toilet for free because it was so long.
And but yeah, it's I'll be honest, I didn't like it at the time. And I was ten when I remember it.
Yeah, I watched it when it came. And I feel that has to be the ideal age to watch that. It doesn't seem like a film. I'd like more. I'm old.
No, no I don't think so. Yeah, I watch it probably the same age I guess, or maybe a bit younger when when it came out and.
Yeah, but it's fair to say that Fredi is the sort of failed trend at this point.
Well, you know, you know, Fredi is something that has a resurgence every like twenty years or something.
That's true. So I feel like it will come back for.
Do you have you seen any films in 40?
I just the thing is like 40. I know I watch film 40 will completely ruin the experience. So it needs to be a film. I'm not actually interested in watching a film.
You know, I just need to be forty. I saw Aquaman using film. Aquaman is ideal. It was ideal.
It it was quite uncomfortable. They they have this thing they like punches you in the back any time.
It sounds horrible. It was horrible.
So like the chair's moving was pretty cool. And there was, there was a bit when it snowed and they like turned a snow machine on and it was really loud. And it's supposed to be this like really emotional, like romancing. But oh yeah.
Here was like the snow machine like and like all this, like foam was raining down and then you get punched in the back every time someone gets stabbed, which is pretty unpleasant.
But the rest of it is pretty cool. Like every time they went into war there was a little like escutia water and there's a bit where they, like, go down a long slide thing and you like the chair moves it. That was all cool. So it was mixed. It was mixed.
And it does it does sound like it's just a film, but someone like randomly punches you every ten minutes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
You really, you really need it for a film. There's a lot of movement like camera movement and people going down slides and playing and stuff like that's the kind of thing where it works.
It's of like a theme park ride, which I would dare say would be your needs if you were going to for do you film.
Yeah, but if you I mean, yeah, they could probably I wonder if people are going to start making films for that more mainstream because obviously like currently if you want to see a for a film that's like made for that kind of thing, you have to go to a theme park. Yeah. But with with like SeaWorld starting to build these forty eight screens, I wonder if like people are actually going to make films like mainstream films for that are like I guess experiences other than films.
Well if you remember back when we were young ones, I'm not sure we still have them, so I'm not sure I had to qualify it with that. But they have those like car things like in a lot of public places and like you paid to quit. And so I would fumble around and be like a shitty CGI video of a roller coaster. Yes. Those were so good.
Yeah, I fucking love those. Just those with more video quality I guess. Yeah. Yeah.
I could see it happening for sure. Or, or for these. Just a fad. But either way it's fun. It's cool.
I kind of like at least Fredi I can see someone like making trying to make the case that like it increases your margin or something. I cannot imagine making a legitimate case for being useful.
Absolutely no. And OK, so back to the town.
I is right. It's about a man. Well, you've not talked about Sandy Dennis.
Oh, Sandusky's place, his wife, Rachel. Please go ahead when you know, so it's about my name's George. The wife when it is baby, you know who else was in it, really?
D. Williams I know very much that sounds about, say, Landow, cause it's going to bring.
Did you. Oh, so where you going to bring it up. I was.
Did you notice. I didn't notice him.
I only saw I did I think because I was I was watching on Amazon and was like fiddling around with the mouse that showed me on the X-ray.
Maybe I need your. But like, yeah, it's kind of cool, it's sort of like we had Harrison Ford the first week, we had Marcus Brady second week.
I said that to Captain Hardy, you mean. Yeah, yeah. I know. Ability in a dramatic role was the lost and found the guy really showing always that he was right.
Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. Yeah. It's like the only black character in the film.
Well the the guy that served in the burger or serves in the food.
Oh yeah. That was clearly a possibility. No, no I know, I know I wasn't. I'm just saying there were other I guess it was those just. Yeah.
OK, so the Towner's is about a man who goes to New York to have a job interview with his wife, knows that then she's not with his wife.
He just takes her with him.
Yeah, he takes her with her interviews, not his wife. Although in the in the remake. Oh yeah.
But yeah. So they go to New York for the weekend. He's very excited, but he's a very wound up for he's a big, very flustered you know.
Yeah I, I've got this like mad anxiety watching this film like the whole time I was because my like my dad is a lot like that.
When he travels well he's still made and he like drags he drags me, my mom about and like he like needs to be everywhere. And it was just it was so triggering for me, like, I hate to use that word, but like it just like I was so tense watching the film.
This film viscerally reminded me of traveling with my grandpa, which I think is MDL, where it's just like if you've ever traveled with someone who's like, incredibly uptight and really worried about things like constantly.
I mean, I've been watching I've been watching this film. It is, yeah, that's what I like when I feel like when I travel, I'm like super chill, I go, I got stuck in Japan. Did you notice I got stuck in Japan overnight, not in Iceland. So I was on I was on a flight out of Japan at like midnight. Yeah. And it got canceled. We got delayed by like three hours and it got canceled finally at 3:00 in the morning.
And like, I just I was like, oh, right, OK. And I was I was really worried because I had to get back for uni, but I was kind of like, well, it's cancelled now. So I was just I just like followed all the all the queues that were going on.
I followed the queues I, like, picked up my luggage. When people accuse Lynche, I was in queues for like seven hours or at least talking to luggage people and airline people and stuff.
And obviously I was stressed, but I was also like, well, this has happened now.
And like nothing nothing's going to change for me, getting like flustered or whatever.
And there are all these people, like shouting at these random women and stuff and all the all the all the people that are helping us were from like er Japan or something. Yeah.
Other than the airline, because I was meant to be playing guitar but they, they weren't there at that time of night because they'd all gone home. So I think it was all these like pure like overnight people that were having to help us.
And I was just like, well they're doing the best, like, you know, I mean I know exactly what it is.
And yeah, you see these people, they just get, like, super angry and super funky. And that's exactly what the main character is like in this.
Yeah, my personal style is I am very uptight sometimes, but I'm usually traveling by myself. It's like my responsibility. And so it tends to happen is I get very stressed and then I if I go past my limit, I sort of settle into quiet despair.
Yeah, I was yeah. I definitely went quiet sir. I mean, don't get me wrong, I definitely am the sort of person that keeps checking. I've got my passport like every two minutes.
Yeah. Oh yeah.
Like I'm sure if I look up at the gates I mean like every minute to check that nothing's changed, but there's like a difference in that and like getting all flustered, you know, I'm sure if I was responsible for someone else's travel, I would also be that in software, maybe, maybe, maybe it's because I've either I've always either been on my own or someone else has been responsible.
Yes, I'm responsible for it. I've kind of had this nice middle ground. But yeah, I just find the whole film, like, really tense and really like. Anxiety, it's very easy. It's about an advertising executive who's got a big interview for a job in New York. You know, this is like executive vice president of ad sales. I think it's the title. It's swanky. So he and his wife go to New York for the interview, but, you know, they've got their plans and have a lovely evening.
Going to go to this lovely restaurant. They're going to go to a lovely hotel and relax breakfast in bed. He goes to the interview fresh at nine a.m. start, you know, shoo in for the job already approved. That's right. So they go on their plane. And I feel the first thing to talk about because we are discussing the 70s is how nice the airport and the plane. Oh, absolutely.
Like, disgusting way they walk in and they're like, we're here to check in. Or he's more like, oh, we'll check in with you and play you a room just like takes a bag. And they're like, you're boarding now. And then they just walk onto the plane.
Let's show it's and they can see the smoke. They can smoke on the plane. Yeah.
There's a bit like, oh, you can smoke in the plane actually looks comfortable like that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah definitely.
The dinner looks like nice to have like proper trays and not a nice if they call it stale chicken. So it's pretty nice compared to what you got these days.
Yeah. In many cases yeah. I realize like this is a decent bit past the golden age of the golden age of air travel. You know, it's pretty clearly still at the tail end. Yeah.
Yeah, it looks pretty nice. And it's the flight, something like an hour 20, right. Yeah.
Yeah. Because they're going from Ohio. Ohio, which is fictional. Well, Ohio is a Twin Oaks.
Twin Oaks is a fictional place. As far as like Ohio isn't real, but it wasn't real.
That's right. But yes, I wouldn't be that long of life anyway. No, New York is then something I will never in my life heard no pain, no one.
I've been to New York twice and never have I been fogged in in the plane.
I feel like we live in a pretty foggy city generally, and I mean as foggy places go.
And like, well, I'm pretty sure I have landed in fog before it doesn't. Yes, that's right.
Yeah, but anyway, they circled for a while and he's like crucially, he tells his wife that they can't have any food on the plane because that might spoil their meal.
Right. And I just have a coffee, George.
And then he's like, okay, but then it's like, no, we're landing. It's like, no, we're not landing was circling. And he has a little Rafaat saying it keeps going and going and going and he won't fucking sit down.
He's just the worst guy. Yeah. Like this entire film is an exercise and really wanting the main character shot.
Yeah. And, you know, I don't I don't want to spoil the ending, but I was thinking the whole way through like, OK, so he's being this asshole to everyone and he's being really annoying, but he's going to learn his lesson and then he just doesn't.
Yeah. Let's just talk about the ending now, because this is what bothered me most about the film as well, which is that like so throughout the film, there are these problems, unlike some of us like, but they are almost entirely problems of his own creation or either of his own creation or certainly easily avoidable, either either completely natural problems or their problems that a group of people that he's not complaining to.
Yeah, I mean, like everyone he complains to is not to be blamed for.
And he is completely. Yeah. So just briefly running through it like they go on the train and it's full and then like kind of stay in their house.
Just horrible man. Have you ever been on a train is so busy. Yeah. It's not that it sucks, it sucks. But it's not anyone's fault. Not a quick one.
Like you can't go to the hotel and he's like, I hate you. The manager's fault specifically. And everyone they meet is like almost everyone to me. He's like super nice about like the whole thing is like an imposition are like, oh, you look sorry. You know, our hands are tied here. We'll do what we can. I know this is stupid. I'm going to sue you all. Yeah, but it's doing this to me because I'm going out of town.
Are title of the list is pretty funny. Yeah.
The list was probably only keeps writing on down a list of names of people he's going to see. Yeah. So you know, he's not a pleasant guy. And then at the very end of the film, like the speech, his wife gives a little speech where she's like, you know, I hope that you said that you'd say no to that job because you don't want to live in a place where, like, they stack people. Like, basically the moral of the film is that they are too good for New York.
Yeah. Which when they are horrible. I knew you were lovely to them.
Really? Yeah. New York City. And I love New York. I like you.
I think this is 1970s New York and therefore very, very different place, of course.
I mean, you see everyone's nice and they do get robbed twice. You get mugged. Well, although at least the first time they absolutely deserve it. There comes a point where it's fault.
Yeah, like, yeah. The moral of this film, despite how disgustingly unlikable they are, is that like New York is bad. They're fine. Yeah.
And the guy the guy that wrote it and it's like a New Yorker for free. Yeah.
Neil Simon, he was born in New York, died in New York. They lived in New York all his life.
And maybe like the whole point, it's not like the speeches are supposed to be like flimsy or because, like, at least the play written seems for almost all of his runtime to be about like the flaws of the main character and like to illustrate his wife.
So, like, maybe his wife is not bad, though, because I know she didn't do anything that his wife didn't really want to.
And she's really help like she puts up with him being like a total. Yeah. The whole time she tries to down like she all all the good plans that they have are like her plans. Yeah. But and he's just like a total asshole. Yeah.
Yeah. But like so it's not impossible to me maybe see it like maybe the real point of the film is that like it's their fault and just too oblivious to realize like. Yeah. The way the film sells the climax really makes it feel like that speech is what you're supposed to take away from this.
Yeah. The problem is, OK, so, um, I guess this is kind of relevant to the remake as well, but it kind of reminds me of a far, far worse planes, trains and automobiles.
Oh, yeah. Have you seen the film? I'm sorry.
No. OK, so it's got Steve Martin in it as well, like the remake. And I'm sure you talk about the remake, but it's a Steve Martin's kind of like a similar character in that he's like this like businessman blames everyone else and stuff. And and then he comes across as the guy I remember his name, the guy who plays Uncle Bob.
Oh, John Candy, isn't it. Yeah. Yeah. The guy who's Uncle Buck. And he's just like lovable, like chill innocent guy that tries to help him as much as possible. And Steve Martin learned his lesson. And at the end of own snowmobiles, he like invites, invites and Uncle Buck guy into his home. And that's like the big the big change in the main character is he's realized that, like, even though he's traveling through this like hell thing, something's going wrong.
He's like made a friend and whatever. And I was really expecting a similar thing to happen in this film where he's an asshole all the way through.
But he gradually starts to learn not to be an asshole.
But he doesn't know nothing about this, don't know why it's so there's a bit when he says, why doesn't anyone help anyone?
Even though most people try and help him and no one and people, he doesn't deserve any help. He's an asshole.
Yeah. Yeah. I just feel like if he just spun the last ten minutes of the song, well, definitely it would make complete sense. Yeah. How would you characterize it. Honestly, I think it just didn't play like the swelling music over the wife's speech and just change the cinematography a little bit and maybe just made it look like a small like even just a little joke towards the end. Like show that like, again, they're the problem.
Yeah. Like, you know, immediately was done, you know, solid, cohesive argument, you know. Yeah. Because, like, obviously this is definitely a comedy where you're really laughing at the main character's. Like, there's nothing wrong with having a comedy about unlikable people who don't learn anything. Yeah, but it needs to be done better. I don't know I don't know how to describe it, but I mean, I saw I laugh twice in the film, the whole film.
I've been to bits.
And so there's a bit there's a bit when they're in a hotel room and she points to a room service and they're like, you can't get any hot food because it's a convention on.
And then he says, I hope it's a mortician's convention because I might kill someone. And that's about ten minutes before the end of the film. And I was the first time he left. And the second time I left was when they're on the plane home.
And then the Cuban the Cuban hijack is like hijack the plane to Cuba. And then she's like, oh, my God.
Again, that was the second about the closing gag. Yeah.
So the two times I left were within like the last ten minutes of the film.
This is definitely it's definitely a film where like the main joke is the way the characters talk.
Yeah. She her voice is pretty funny to be fair. Yeah.
Like there's a very recurring joke throughout this entire thing is that like they will say, like the women, the women will say like, hey, X is happening and they'll be like eight about what X is happening Y and she'll be like because X is happening like repeating lines as jokes and they just weren't funny.
Now it's the sort of thing where, like Brownsville was watching, I was like, you know, there is someone who like this is their exact sense of humor and they will fucking. Yeah, but like, if that is not your your very specific job, then this isn't going to be for you. You need to find this kind of dialogue funny. But apparently this Neil Simon's most of his films like Retina's Plays and then adopted. Yeah.
Yeah. So this one was supposed to be a short play, actually a second section of a play.
And then there are too many locations. So you had to film and like you can definitely sort of it's very play ish to use the academic term and not comedy is very much in the dialogue.
But I also think I would find a lot funnier if it was maybe being the prompted me. Maybe, yeah.
I don't know, I don't know, and I just didn't find I find it stressful and like, not at all funny until the very end and like, I don't feel like anyone learned a lesson, like the kept making just awful decisions.
Yeah, I guess I guess I'm OK with the film. No one learns anything. It's just what the film seems to say or a wrong exactly like.
So I think the only the only thing that was kind of redeeming was the guy that was on the flight with them and it was like, oh, they get redirected. I'm just going to fly in the morning. And then they see him in the hotel and he's like, Oh, I just got the flight here. You know, that was funny.
This film's very consistent in making it very obvious that these problems are of his creation exactly bit where they're being escorted in like a police car after they've been mugged. Yet unlike the policeman says, like, OK, look, we've got a liquor store robbery. I'm sorry, I can't carry you the rest of the way. I'm going to have to drop you off here. And he's like, no, I know my rights. I'm not getting out of this car.
OK, buddy, it's your funeral. I can't force you. I don't have time. And then he starts and he goes into the liquor store robbery and then the robbers get in the car and drive off with them.
Like, this is what we're getting here.
Oh, my God. Oh, shit. Yeah.
There's just so much stuff that I'm. But yeah, so I suppose you just go through the list very quickly of things and then you then you go to Boston, the 20 minutes to get train, but the bags are missing. Billy D. Williams tries to do what you can do anything. They're like, no, fuck you.
So they go through the they go get a cab. He doesn't have, you know, the correct change for cab is like, just mail me the money, the money.
And then he gives the guys full address and the guy gives his full address and all this. Yeah.
And then they go on the train. It's the wrong train, but like they really screwed up. They can get the right train again, starts orbit and it's OK to go back. It's the same cab. The train is full. They have no food. Our hero has a stomach ulcer which gets worse the entire time. Yeah, New York is a transit strike on which is very relevant for the time, obviously. Yeah. And patients strike. They go the wrong way.
He walks back, he gets to the hotel, but, you know, they've missed their booking. If they're just wired ahead, they would catch a room for them, but they didn't. Yeah. Look, I'm sorry. We can get you a room in the morning. You can stay in the manager's office for now. It's like, no, you're being you're treating us bad cause we're out of towners. I know it's you're getting sued. You can add to the list was these people, honey, you got to show them you're willing to walk away.
Yeah. And there's no other rooms anywhere other than the guys like, hey, I have a room, come with me. And it's like, okay, sir. And then you get them. They get mugged. Yeah. And then they go to the police station to report about getting mugged at the police station. I'm like, OK, we'll just do what we can. There's a homeless shelter like over here. Yeah. So people you can stay there then they get kidnapped as I said.
Yeah. Then they end up sleeping in Central Park and they get mugged again in Central Park. Yeah. Then they eat leftover cracker jack gets stolen by dog. He brings us to the Cracker Jack. Yeah.
Oh by the way, that was pretty cool. Well he likes it. You know how he said that he was whistling, but like I don't know if they added an imposter, if you like, deliberately, like, pretend it was a frog or whatever. But I ask you, have you ever seen Arrested Development?
No. There's an episode where one of the characters, Joe, eats a candy apple and braces us from the start, which is the same gag. Right.
But it was I just find it chemical that they actually did it. Yeah. Like I added it kind of. Yeah.
You know, as much as much. I didn't like the film. It was it did feel kind of real almost.
That's one of the things I was going to bring up, is that this film very, very grounded, unlike maybe it's to room.
Maybe that's why I didn't like it, because like and wants to go back to planes, trains and automobiles, which you haven't seen. I'm going to spoil it. It's like a bit when they're driving and then they're like car blows up and then they keep driving in. It's just like completely burnt out. Right. Would never drive.
But there's like a bit of humor in the ridiculousness of the situation, whereas maybe maybe one of the reasons this film is like so and like triggering and like stressful and anxiety ridden was because, like, everything that happened to them could absolutely be real, you know, like the ah, the anxiety thing for like me at least watching is that, like, I actually have no fucking clue what you're what you would be supposed to do in New York in the 1970s if you got your wallet stolen.
Yeah. Like because like everything was like an ATM daily.
How do you how do you get money, go to the citizens, whatever thing that she talks about. Yeah, well I was like a charity thing. Yeah. I guess like the thing you have to do is like you go to the bank physically and you ask for money because that's what my grandma used to do.
Yeah. Like imagine how much you get to the bank physically. Desormeaux Yeah.
But like this does once these characters don't feel unreal, like the man's exaggerated a bit becoming a fighter. But you and I are both saying he's definitely like, yeah, he reminds us of real people.
Yeah. Like no.
Well it's not that inconceivable that the. Like at least something like the events, this film could potentially happen to somebody just like just like if they got mugged, maybe they would end up, like sleeping in Central Park.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. The scene after this in Central Park, they find a crying child. It do.
And the wife refuses to leave him. And she was like, we need to worry about ourselves. And then George suggests that they mug the child and take his money so they can use it to get him to prison.
And he takes me to the beach and says in a very creepy way, I'm not going to hurt you. I'm just going to look for money.
He does, in fact, actually mug the child after a small argument does. And then someone calls for the Central Park Rangers. And the only other thing I've seen the Central Park Rangers in his elf. I don't know about you.
I genuinely have no fucking clue that they existed.
Did you think they were just a thing in ELF? I never saw it. Elf No, bro.
I will do that for Christmas special in her many years and 2000 or something.
And yes, I, I don't remember seeing this in Park Rangers when I was in New York.
No, I was in Central Park last Christmas. They weren't there. Yeah, they weren't there. Where were the Rangers. Maybe there's only like two of them. Trouble in ELF.
There's like ten of them. You got to watch Elf. All right. Anyway. Yeah.
So yeah, they run away from the Rangers and then when the Rangers just does a weird thing, but like they're sort of hanging out in the street. Right. And Jack goes into this big speech about how he's not going to let New York defeat him. He's going to get his interview on time. Yeah. And then the whistling sort of sound. And he's like, what's that, honey you like on off? And he gets mad and it fucking explodes.
Yeah, it was something like what? Twenty pound manhole cover right next to him. Apparently only accident.
I'm going to talk about that as well. But this is the only accident throughout the entire film in which it would have been legitimate for him to see. Yeah, I just don't come out at all. No.
And apparently according to Wikipedia.
Yeah. You might say with a citation needed, it does seem that way happened.
Yeah. Which is terrifying because that could have easily killed someone.
Yeah. Well no it says, it says and it could have killed someone. They looked into it I think and like the Actors Guild or whatever and and they could have killed the actor. Yeah, like that, or it does also say citation needed, so yeah, so like this may just be. Let me see. Let me let me look up.
You keep to be fair, it does seem like kind of part of the plot because he does have the ringing in the ears.
Oh know it is obviously part of the plot, but I don't think I don't think that I don't think it's saying that the manhole cover actually exploded without them knowing.
I think what it's saying is that, like, the filmmakers actually blew up the manhole cover and it wasn't supposed to land, like next to him.
All right. Let me let me listen. Let me look up you. Sunday goes to church and the church is busy filming so they aren't allowed to pray, he sees them because he is right to see them be friends, to see them because he needs his right to practice his religion.
And then I think we finally get back to the hotel like a decent hour and they have the room prepared for them, as promised. And they he goes to the interview and he we don't know if he gets the job or not. He comes back and then his wife is the speech about how New York sucks and they're too good for it. And then they go home and on the plane home gets hijacked by you. Oh, I forgot they got a ride from, like a Cuban emissary.
And then he takes them to the embassy, which is being protested for something about Che Guevara. I couldn't figure out if the protesters were for or against him.
Against him, I think was was was Cuba a big thing at this time? I thought that was kind of oh, definitely over by then and not over by then. But was it still that big a deal?
I mean, I think it was pretty contentious throughout the Cold War for very obvious reasons. Yeah, it wasn't to protest free any point. OK, right here.
Here's a thing on the IMDB about the manhole cover. The blast was much stronger than anticipated. And instead of only lifting the manhole cover a few inches up and away from the hole it for several feet into the air, a few seconds later, it was hard on the ground, very close to Jack Lemmon, said the actor in hitting his left leg. When the cover bounced and a little startled and in pain, he stayed in character.
That shot was used in the final film was very George Lucas was filming the whole time thing.
Yeah, it's like a much more like credible version of the story compared to Wikipedia, I mean. Yeah, yeah.
So you thought that like the gasoline, just what the video was saying. It was like there was a genuine horrifying. But he just stayed in character.
I guess maybe, you know, but either way, you know, it's still pretty fucking crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so what else is there anything else I wouldn't say. Oh so there is another cool details of those season and they come out at Central Park and they're like, oh, the sanitation started back up again. It's like on a newspaper and then in the background you can see a sanitation crew. Yeah. Like little details like that were nice.
You know, I like the way this film, in case you haven't made it clear, already takes place over the course of the remake, says twenty four hours. This film takes place like a very similar time frame. And yeah, I saw them leaving morning and there was no time the next evening.
Yes. No. Yeah, yeah.
Sorry. It takes place over one night. It's like, it's like twelve hours. But the bookings for eight 830, it takes place over like 18 hours or something, probably. Yeah, it takes place within one 24 hour cycle. Yes. So, um, so it's kind of neat like that. You sort of you get a sense of like in the background of a city that lives. Yeah. The best character in the entire film is, of course the guy who I was I had as we've already mentioned.
Yeah, he's appears in the airport and is like, I'm going to wire ahead. And then he appears later and he's like, man, I had a great night's sleep. A I wired. I had a batsmen's. Yeah.
How did you get here? I flew in on the flight from Boston. Yeah.
It's not only is he like so flustered, but he just doesn't stop, which I think is another is another thing that like I'm used to traveling people like that, like they don't stop and think I was like and this person, if I get like, confused or not sure what's going on, I'll stop and I'll go.
Right. Like, well, OK, I'm ready to go where some people just like march ahead. Like they need to be like the first person to like it is pretty clear that he feels that it needs to be the first person on that train.
And like the first thing to be clear, like it's not like he never thinks of wearing a hat or anything like even like the first scene where, like, trains, come on, his wife, like, you know, Inspire had and understand, it's like, no, they won't understand the responsibility. They need someone who gets to places on time even though he's a shoe in.
And then the other thing is he's really worried about, like, how his clothes are going to leak, but they look pretty good. Yes, considering they both spent a night in Central Park, they look kind of right. Like to be like he's kind of lucky because it's the 70s and the brown. So, yes, I like a very nice suit and like, I guess it's the 70s, which is like when people just or suits all the time.
Yeah. And it's also brown again, because it is the 70s. So, like, it doesn't show the dark very well.
I'm like, I wonder if my dirty 20 20s lens can truly appreciate what a suit is supposed to look like in the same vein as someone who wears on all the time. But he looks fine to me, yeah, looks fine and hurt her, it's fine apart from her shoes. Yeah. So they they're pretty lucky considering they camped out and got soaked and stuff. Yeah. Yeah.
Um, are we just going to ignore that there's going to be like a break in the audio there where your wife I was trying to be like seemless.
I think it'll be pretty clear. Well it's fine and cool.
My wife, I broke down. Sorry.
Is there anything else you have you have to say about this, Jonah?
I mean, to the and yet, you know, it's a surprise. The thing is, this film is just like one conversation style for an hour and a half. And like I say, if you love it, it's going to be for you. Yeah.
If it isn't Sandy. Dennis, you played Gwen had more than 20 cats when she died. Wow, so she also had to be here. Well, oh, yeah, at the very end during the interview, like a sort of final punch line, the guys like you had expected to see you on time. So that's hilarious.
Hilarious. OK, we're back again. And this will be just like the first episode. We're going back to our roots. Yeah.
Only this time, hopefully we have a I don't know, we're going to miss anything. It's just going to be a bit choppy. And because Jimmy's microphone doesn't seem to you know, it's your turn to be fair. One of my you know, my mike from the first episode. Now it's your turn. Yeah.
So, yeah, I it's not much else to say about the film.
You know, it had some there are a few shots that were kind of show like, did you know. Yeah. Like a first person that was if you like. It was the same in like the last film wasn't it. Or was it the one before it. Whether.
Oh you're thinking of getting straight. Getting straight. Yeah. The cinematography was not too indifferent.
Yeah. I would consider this to be a perfectly fine film. Is one of the if it's your type of comedy it'll be your job. If it's not it will be torture so.
Well yeah. Was going to emphasize before we start talking about the remake is do things like very particularly. Firstly, as we mentioned earlier, it's a very grounded film. Yeah. Which is part of its charm I think. And you know, part of what is.
Yeah. It's very realistic, very real. Very realistic.
Very down to the second thing I really want to emphasize. I've not forgotten shit. Uh, no, no, no, no, no. I was just gonna leave.
Wow. Someone doesn't have other. Oh that's right. It's unique. It's a pretty unique I think we'd say it's a pretty unique film now onto the remake.
Yeah. So the remake, which we know should be Dearing's for this. Oh. So I would rate it.
I would, I might even rate it. Don't watch it for me personally. I'm going to say from the perspective of a recommendation, I would say watch it if it's on and see if it's for you. OK. Very quickly, if it is for you or not. Yes. If it is for you, stick with it. If not, it's not got any surprises up its sleeve. It's not going to shock you yet.
You'll know very and early if you if it starts triggering you right from the start because it's like people you travel with. And unless for some you've got like some sick thing where you like being reminded of that kind of thing, then I wouldn't I would put it and don't watch. And I would say I just don't watch. But that's just my as in I would if I was to recommend to my past self, I would say don't watch. That's kind of how I'm thinking the recommendations.
But I do agree with you that, you know, you would know pretty quickly and I certainly would not go out of your way to watch it.
Yeah, I wouldn't I wouldn't pay for it or even even look for it.
Are you saying, look, where are you giving it free? Like, if it's free, watch it.
Yeah, just it it's almost on TV. Yeah.
Just remember, just to remind people of our rating system, our lowest rating is don't watch it at all. And our second rating is it is on TV or if someone is like I'm watching this John watch with me. Refrigerating is if it is free, watch it for ratings, buy it. And her favorite is buy the special edition with all the bells and whistles, bells and whistles.
Oh, it will set bells and whistles. That's good. And thanks anyway.
The remake 1999 Millennium is going along. It's that year that Prince described in the song. Yeah, this bizarre adventure, Part four takes place during this year. I do not know any world events that happened during the year 1999 other than the new millennium, which by definition took place in 2000. A couple of cool dates born.
Yeah, the first episode of Futurama aired a couple of cool things born in this sort of time as Duncan was trying to dox us, uh, when we started to remake the film Out of Towners, I do not know why this version of it stars Steve Martin.
And he's not called George anymore. He's called Henry. This makes no difference to the whatsoever. Right. So this is a very different film. A lot of ways firstly will take place over 24 hours. It takes place over like twice that long. And I know this is very petty, but for me, that annoys me. Right. So this film, the show is about to have their last kid leave for college. He goes to London and then a year abroad thing, which is quite weird because is a scene where Steve Martin was like, you know, those European women are very like, you know, very saucy and all that sort of thing.
And you realize they're talking about London, which is like you're not Europe anymore because it's definitely not cultured.
Yeah, well, for Americans it is.
Maybe maybe I don't think I've ever met an American. I went to London. It was like, yes, it's just the same. That's true. Anyway, so the kids leave and it's about sort of the pressures in their marriage as now the kids are gone and sort of nothing to fill the void yet, which is sort of OK, because part of the things that I think we were hinting towards for in our sort of discussion of the original is that it does kind of suffer from the characters being unlikable.
Yes, that's the source of the comedy. It does kind of start rooting for them. One of the reviews for the film says very specifically, the film would be better if they were like more likable. Couple that. Yeah, and this definitely goes another direction. So also, Henry has been fired from his job, which gives the a bit more of a threat, as it were, about to his wife about it. He's saying that it's still employed and this is just about everything.
So it was good to be close to New York. He goes by himself, but his wife comes along as a surprise. There's now jokes about travel being bad, the show, how far we've come. Unlike the film focuses a lot more on the issues in their marriage, the whole like moral is that like, you know, just getting older doesn't mean they can grab a hold of life anymore. They're going to go on this crazy adventure together and rediscover what made them fall in love in the first place.
Right. So it's very different.
Very different now is sort of weird because Henry is a very different character from George Mason. Right. Like his character flaws, that he's a fuddy duddy, as it were, and most of the time, whilst he is Steve Martin. So he's just mostly sarcastic about things rather than getting riled up about things. But then every now and then, like just like a joke or some dialogue from the original film sort of sneak its way back and it will feel like a weird lurching shift of tone as he starts to become incredibly wound up.
All right. So, yes, so they go on the plane and that scene mostly plays out the same, but they have that after they missed the train because it's the 90s, they get to have jokes who they say, hey, let's go get a car rental. And they have jokes about car rentals being bad, right? No, it's the 90s, baby. What people find funny and then the car has a satnav to get some good comedy gold out there, they do this, they go over a bump in the satnav changes language.
Oh, great, great. I love it.
So and later, there's a scene with sex addicts. As you know, it was 1999. People are talking about. Right.
So they go to the hotel and it's run by John Cleese. He's the manager.
Yeah, I saw that. And I saw it in a couple photos. Hey, Duncan, guess what character John Cleese is actually doing in this movie?
John Cleese, is he doing Basil Fawlty very specifically? Is it is Basil Fawlty.
But in that actual position of responsibility, you know, I don't like Fawlty Towers.
Oh, don't you? Not really. No, man. I've watched a couple of them, and it's really not my thing. You know, I.
I have I told you my John Cleese story. I can you man, once the I directed him to the toilet, Jimmy, I just went to the gents.
What technically I told his daughter where the gents was and she then told John Cleese who went to the gents. But yeah, I've directed John Cleese to toilet, so that's pretty cool. Right. Anyway, right up until particles point, the only interesting thing about this film, but this is one of the more direct shifts of tone in the film, which is that people actually are an asshole in this version of New York, John Cleese especially is he is the American.
No, he's British, he's doing this right. He's one of those like and then occasionally goes into French when he's being very cautious. Yeah, but like in this version of New York, must a fair number of their problems are still their own fault is definitely much more. These people are just unlucky. Yes. The main reason they do get mocked for being idiots.
This time the mugger pretends to be Andrew Lloyd Webber and they believe that does he legally can do it later?
He's like Danny DeVito look like, oh, it'd be cool if they had got Andrew Lloyd Webber to like at Rudy Giuliani in the scene. And as himself, he plays the mayor and he feels this big statue in Central Park and let the lights go off. And then it turns out they're fucking in public. And that's like the big moment.
This honestly, this sounds infinitely better.
It's not. So just to give you some more space around the thing, they have a daughter who lives in New York. Right. And isn't one of the reasons that money is because the daughter is maxed out on their credit cards because she dropped out at school without telling the father and the mother you to dad's credit card to get yourself set up like.
And then there's not the same sense of rising threat throughout this film. No, there's not same sense of panic. And once that's gone, you really notice that the film changes massively because the main plot that different because it's so much more focused on like the conflict of their marriage. Yeah. And not so much about the external pressure of light, but they don't mention what time the interview is until like the last third. Right. So you don't get the same sense of like a ticking clock.
And there's a lot more like quiet ish scenes where they just talk to each other. Mm hmm. So it's not quite the same sense of, like, escalation. And I think the film becomes a lot weaker for that because it starts to feel a bit flighty at some points. Talking about, oh, like the other unique set piece, I would say, for this, which I also want to talk about, because this film is a lot less grounded than the other film.
OK, yeah, I can imagine with Steve Martin and TMZ.
So as a sort of example of that, in one scene, they're trying to get to the hotel room for food and, you know, again, the kind of money. So the wife seduces LHD. I mean, she's like, you know, give me the key to your room. I'll wait for you to get back. Right. And then, like she and the husband go in the order room service on his tab and he comes back unexpectedly and like the husband has to, like, hide behind the curtains, right?
No, she sort. Do you think she's still trying to seduce them, but she can't, like, do anything with him for the husbands right there. And he doesn't want this like no crisis and persuade them to leave. And then, like, he sees the room service coming and he's like, he's not for I'm being ripped off. He goes to the thing like, oh, no. So they climb out the window, they climb down hotel office.
I'm like, the husband sort of hangs off the wall on something and so much better and then like appreciatively and then like a break so little and sparks fly everywhere and power for the whole hotel goes out and lands me outside the manager's room.
And it turns out that John Cleese's character is across dresser class is so you singing along to sort of raining men like song?
I can't a song talking about processers briefly. Yeah, and of fuck. I forgot the name of the film and what's it called. Let me look at let me look it up. So I watch this film and when I was still up in the city where I go to university and which is film which has Robert DeNiro in it.
Yeah of course it called Robert De Niro Stars Stardust.
Have you seen Stardust? Look, so it's a children's film.
I don't know why we were watching it. And he plays this like so he plays it like a sort of steampunk pirate airship captain who's just like big tough guy and he's like classic Robert De Niro, like a you know, I'm fucking tough guy, little or whatever.
And but then he's secretly he's a cross dresser and so like he likes his room and he like puts on a bunch of clothes. And it's the weirdest thing to see Robert De Niro like in a dress sipping tea with like a British accent, like just acting incredibly camp. It's like the weirdest thing. It was funny, but it was just like so. Like, bizarre for him. But they're all British, to be fair to John Cleese is actually very into his believably having fun in that scene, you know, like so the Stardust is not a good film, I don't think, but it's really good.
And and like Robert De Niro really gets into it, you can tell that he's like. Just enjoying himself, which is always nice to see some of his films, so I imagine similar with John Cleese.
Yeah. So after that, you know, hijinx ensue. The having sex in public thing with Mayor Giuliani I talked about happens. Yeah, it's Central Park. And then Steve Martin gets arrested for urinating in public because it's the 90s.
And this is a hot button issue in New York, is it? Yeah. Like if you want to that comes out. They have a lot of jokes about people getting arrested for public urination. Right. But, you know. Yeah, it's a victimless crime.
Uh. So he ends up in jail and then he says, oh, I have a headache, that's his thing, he doesn't have the ulcer that George George has.
His thing is he's got headaches, his headache, and this is his headache and medicine in his bag. And then they don't focus too much on the lost bags in this one either. Right. And then, like the guy, the guy in the prison cell was like, hey, here, here's an aspirin. It'll shut you up. And then it turns out an aspirin. The aspirin is a drug, which is nice. So, you know, there's a lot of wacky humor.
It's not clear what drug it is. I'm not even sure if it is. I don't think it really matters. Drugs in films. It just. Yeah, he just gets very horny. Yeah.
And then meanwhile, the women are hero blackmail's John Cleese and to giving them the bail money and putting them in the hotel bedroom. Wildly funny scene where a man is worried that he'll be arrested and have his life ruined for his sexuality in the 90s.
Oh. Basically, the end of the film, they blackmail John Cleese and he solves all their problems. And then he gets the interview and he's like, hey, I've got your new tagline, Bucho.
It's only in New York that they're like a fantastic idea and no one else could come up with that. You're hired, Bucho.
And then he says, no, I want to go back to Knope in this film. They stay in New York because they're embracing their new lives and embracing themselves as new people. So it's completely different. Ending that day in New York, John Cleese rolls his eyes and goes, Oh, I think I'm beginning to like them.
The closing gag is that they all go the three of them go see a play together with the daughter in it and she babbles and the wife is like, John Cleese, are those my earrings? And that's the end of the film.
Well, to me, that sounds better.
It's an unbelievably generic comedy. It does seem very generic.
So even speaking as someone in 2020, I was like, oh, my God, this is I've seen this so many times before. And like, that's just it's a very specifically 90s thing. So I can understand why someone in the 90s would find it like physically painful lot. But in terms of comparisons, like I say, I think the strangest things that happened to is that the comedy is no longer based on dialogue. There's not there's still like some dialogue based stuff, but not strictly.
There's a lot more physical gags or like, you know, wackiness. Right. Scene where like the chased by a dog or that aforementioned thing with they're climbing down the hotel and stuff like that. A bit of the old cringe humor when they talk about the sex of the sex addicts.
And then obviously the story has a more of an emotional core, and that's about our marriage. But I feel that those kind of slow the whole thing down in a way that I realized after I watched the original, I was like, I think the character's more likeable. And, you know, that would be for a better film. And, you know, they made them more likable in this one. And I realized, no, it wouldn't. So it turns out, you know what I'm talking about and all remakes are bad because that's the way it is.
I the remake, so let it be let it be nice. That was a nice, nice time.
You can call. So that's my opinion. That's your opinion? Well, I would I mean, I would say you should watch planes, trains and automobiles. And I watched again recently, and it wasn't as good as I remember it being, but it's still pretty entertaining. And there's like an actual character development, you know, similar in terms of the travel stuff. But like someone traveling alone and like the the make it friendly. It's a good film.
I'd recommend it.
In France in the 90s, when there is a character, it is painfully obvious character that they articulate every so often, of course, but just sort of saying like, wow, I'm facing a dilemma for my character resolution. Well.
In terms of my writing, I'd say avoid it honestly, because it's just OK, unless you're really a big John Cleese then or Steve Martin.
Steve Martin Van. No, no, there's like referrer Jonquières in the film is doing a good John Cleese, Steve Martin doing a mediocre Steve Martin. Fair enough. Also, it's 1999 to like how many good roles the John have left by that point, you know, still alive. Yeah, but it's not I should them to the bathroom isn't as good anymore.
OK, fair enough. OK, so do you want to talk about unless you have more questions about the remake, um, I kind of want to go into watermelon, man.
I sort of sensed you are so hungry for it, OK?
Well, no, I mean, if there's more to talk about, you know, but I'm not sure there is more to talk about. I've got three pages of notes here. It was less grounded. It was a worse film for it. That's my opinion on the art of sound is really what the original if for whatever reason, you got a gun to your head and you have to decide between the two.
Yeah. Or don't watch either. Just get shot. Hmm. That's OK. Watermelon man. Mm hmm. Right.
My name is I need to talk now for ages. My or a gentleman came out in 1970.
I don't know what day. Actually I didn't check. There's also 28. Also 28 the same day.
So you could have had a choice between these two films that might have been sitting in front of the theater looking at these two posters.
And you'd be like, huh, I want to look at what's the poster like for over ten years?
Uh, it's like them on a train and like they're laying their head out for, like, a dogwood, you know, basically. Right. Which doesn't.
Oh, yeah, you're right. You're right. I mean, it's Americanized now.
So the poster for Watermelon Man and is like split in half and it's got on the top. There is a black man and who is obviously a naturally black man who is going, oh golly. And smiling.
And then it says his white bread world just turned upside down. And then beneath that, there's someone that looks almost like someone in white face and which they may or may not be.
I don't want to spoil it and down like upside down. So the film was directed by Melvin Van Peebles, who's still still alive. He's 87 years old.
And I did I don't know his other films, but apparently this was his only studio film I was about to go to.
He went on to write some like independent stuff and stuff like he was studio films as this whole thing was quite successful. I think so. I'm like, so.
And it was written by a guy called Herman Rocker or Rocher or something like that. And it was written because his he had a bunch of friends who claimed to be like very liberal and forward thinking, but he noticed that they all still held like racist ideas not very far below the surface, like there were still pretty racist.
And so the studio wanted to make the film, but he insisted it had a black director for obvious reasons because it follows a black man. Yeah. So it stars Godfrey Cambridge, who is a black man who for the first fifteen minutes of the film is in white face. And by white face I mean like full white body, like he's completely white with blond hair and stuff, which is a bit um, it's a little bit weird.
Like you can tell these very obviously black, um, like he's very dark with the white and it's kind of weird. And so yeah, there's that, uh, the studio wanted to reverse, so they wanted to cast a white person and then have them in blackface for the majority of the film.
Yeah, but apparently thankfully Melvin said no, that and Godfrey Cambridge was acclaimed by Time magazine in 1965 as one of the country's foremost celebrated. And then and is an N-word the less bad N-word comedians. So he was quite a popular African-American comedian at the time.
So I'm just going to go through my notes, I've got them all written down and feel free to jump in if there's anything that jumps out, which is something that you want to hear more about.
So the film starts quite similarly, actually, to Tyner's with like an establishing shot of the suburban house that this guy lives in. And it's got the same, like, annoying music of like, you know, like the comedy, 1970s comedy music that's just like really annoying and slightly weird just to lurch back.
But like the 1999 remake has like a really present soundtrack in a way that I mean, it was Quincy Jones that the original outcomes, which I was surprised to see. All right. But the 1999 one's a lot more generic and like bouncy. I was just like there's a lot of them are dying and it's not so nice. Yeah, I need to push myself more.
So, yeah. So the first thing you notice is the white face really is like quite something like his. Like, it's like, you know, when you put, like, paint on, it's like really shiny, is it just like. Yeah, just like chalk stuff. Yeah, he's like super shiny and like smooth, like smooth as anything, because it's just like painted on his skin and I guess it's kind of all right. Like, he looks like a very light skinned black person, I guess.
And I can see why you didn't want to talk about this film is the main one. It's quite hard to and sort of jump around it without saying anything racist. And so within two minutes, you see his naked ass and he's like going on a heslington and somebody has in his home, he's got like a private sunbed. You see him, like, fully nude on that. And he walks away fully nude, not really sure why. And then he goes into the kitchen and his wife and kids are watching TV and on the TV, they're a bunch of riots by black people.
And he says his wife says they are getting very dangerous.
Um, and then they go into discussion about civil rights and his opinion, his opinion on it is I think he's not like racist, racist, but he's kind of like they shouldn't be so violent or whatever.
Oh, it's like, yeah, these guys are violent and all that kind of stuff. And so, like, immediately jumps into that. And then there's an absolutely hilarious bit where every morning he races the boss.
So there's a bus stop outside his house. But instead of getting on at that bus stop, he runs comedically past every other bus stops and down some stairs to try and beat the bus. Like to get it at that bus stop at the bottom of the stairs?
Yeah, and it's absolutely hilarious because everyone on the bus is like cheering the bus driver along and like all the people at the bus stop. So he runs past the like, trying to get on as quick as possible and pay their fares as quick as possible.
And it's absolutely hilarious, Jimmy, because he's just he's running alongside the bus and everyone in the bus is trying to. Oh, it's funny, man. It's so funny. And it's not that funny. It's a little bit funny.
And then he gets them three times as well. And they do that joke like three times. Yeah, yeah.
He runs past three bus stops and everyone and then the bus driver is like, I can only go so fast. And he's like, I need to stop here. And all the people in the bus like, come on, come on, let's do it. And so right from the start, it's established. He's like one of these guys that thinks he thinks he's like really funny, but he's actually just quite annoying. Like, everyone clearly thinks this and people in the bustling, let's try and be in a driver.
So he does that and then he gets on the bus. The bus driver is black and he makes a back of the bus joke where he says to the bus driver, a few years ago, you wouldn't be driving, you'd be sitting up the back of the bus, which is hilarious.
And then it's nice that he can go like that. I'm sure everyone's very comfortable.
I'm sure they are. And all but all the people on the bus are kind of like, oh, yeah, yeah.
So he makes like this slightly racist joke and or actually not slightly very racist joke. Yeah. And they all kind of are like, OK. And then he insinuates that black people can run far and they've never heard that story.
As I know neither. He says they're very quick and sprints, but they can't run far distances. It's very unlike him, unlike him, which is obviously hilarious as well. And then he goes to his favorite restaurant and he jokes, if the black server about rioting and looting and he makes some slightly racist jokes to him and he's very he's like very nice to this black waiter, but in, like, a racist way or it's clear that he sees him as like one of the good ones.
And he's like, oh, Joe, you wouldn't do it. You wouldn't be out there writing whatever. And he says, like he says, oh, I bet he didn't loot here because it's such a shithole or something like that or not those words, but that kind of thing.
And the the black guy doesn't own it. He just works there. It's revealed later on. But yeah, he's so he's he's he's kind of racist and like a not not racist and like a hateful way or in like a deliberate, hateful way, just constantly racist.
Yeah. It's very clear that he's incredibly casually racist.
Um, and at the start of the film here, so there's a black bus driver and then there's a black guy that serves him and then he gets to work and the guy that's operating the lift is also black. So it's pretty clear that all the shitty jobs are held by black people in this area or this neighborhood. And then he walks into the office and there's a classic like room of secretaries and he says, slut's, slut's, all of you slot's and to the secretaries.
And they're all like, oh, OK. Then he sexually assaults one of them and he grabs her and calls the Swedish and and she's like, oh, no, I'm Norwegian. And then he says, Are you actually blonde? And she's like, Oh, no, I'm oh. She says she is river. And then he says that he'll pay her to walk away. He'll pay her more if she jogs away even more if he if she runs away and even more if she's actually blonde, which is hilarious and very creepy.
Yeah. Yeah. So he so again, it's very clear that he's like he thinks he's the. Charismatic. Everyone's really cringe, and then it's established that the kids are quite embarrassed that he sees the bus every morning and because of the schools, all the schools, all the kids at school bully them and because of that racist bus. Quite right. And he has he has sex with his wife once a week on Wednesday. And she tries to have sex with him that night.
But he says, no, it's a Monday and he doesn't want any more kids. So they only have sex on Wednesdays. And then in the middle of the night, he wakes up and suddenly he's black. And then the reveal that he's black is he he walks through the house in shadow.
So you can't tell. And then the big reveal is there's a shock from like a toilet, the toilets point of view as he goes to sit down and then he pulls down his trousers and you see his like his his black ass. So the safety is as it's black. And that's the show that's held in the center of the frame for a couple of seconds.
And then it cost him him like screaming in the mirror and and he screams in the mirror. And then he says, how now, brown cow. And then he starts like drinking loads of water to try and not be black and white. And then he thinks it's a nightmare about his sunlamp. And he checks his penis and then he says, oh, that's an old wives tale. And they constantly are not, um, like, yeah, so it is and it's not it's not got bigger I think is a joke.
It's important for me that I know the size of his penis. So he, like, lifts it up and he's like, I guess it's the same size it was before.
And he's like, oh, that's an old wives tale then. And then he has a shower to not be black. So he's tried drinking water. He has a shower for like several hours because he wakes up in the middle of the night and and he goes in the shower and then he's still in the shower in the morning when his kids get up. So he's in the shower for hours and the whole house is like fogged out from the shower after one.
And then the kids want they want to watch him run at the house because for some reason, even though he races the bus, he never lets them watch him run out of the House. You have to, like, stay inside.
I don't know why it's dangerous to be around someone's racing about. Exactly.
So he said they say to him, you don't want your bus. And and he says he's not going to work today because he's sick and he's still in the shower. So they have not seen these blankets on the shower. And then they say, you mean you won't be racing the bus today? And then he said, don't ever bring up the race issue again, which is another hilarious joke. That is.
I am I mean, it was quite a good one. There were quite a lot of jokes like that.
They really did actually make me any fun, anything that's just like a stupidly labored well. Exactly. And the kids are like, well, well, OK, fine. And then they go off to school and then he pleads to God to make him not black. And then there's a funny bit where his wife comes in and it's like, go. Sherry gets her share. She screams and she's like, there's a N-word in our house. And it's like, no, no, I it's me.
I'm not an N-word. And they use that word very liberally. And they mainly they mainly say the less bad N-word that we keep mentioning. But they do also use the other one quite a lot. And he calls his wife a simp, which I find. Really? Yeah, apparently.
Apparently it means like a silly person and I like to come back.
I find that quite funny because I was just watching it. And then she says something. He's like, don't be such a sip. And it really like took me away. And that was pretty funny. Um, then the racist to Chinese people, because his wife says you always did look a bit dark and then he goes, me dark. Have you seen your mum? Then he talks about her mum has like slightly slanted eyes and a bunch of other racist Chinese stereotypes.
And then he goes and oh my God, he calls in sick to work. And guess what he says to the receptionist at work, something racist.
Come and go. He says, I'm feeling a bit of color.
Oh, I know, right. It's good. And then then he says, oh, it must it must be the sunlamp that I got. That's cause this. And then he says, I'm sure this has happened before I phone them up, like I'm sure this is an issue that's happened before then his wife says, yeah, all over Africa. And they both have little laugh at that.
And it's like, no, this isn't funny. And then his wife looks at his dick and he goes, no, it's an old wives tale because that joke was so fast, they got to do the joke twice.
And then, of course, his hair is curly because he's black now. So she says, why don't you straighten your hair? And he says, I don't want my hair straightened. I want my skin straightened and not really sure what that means because I don't think black skin is not straight. I don't really know what the point was. But we all over our words sometimes will tell you the truth. I'm sure he was struggling and then he gets in a taxi to the black area of town because he wants to see he wants to find out what skin care.
They used to appear more white so that you can buy a bunch of it.
They do that in India, do they? Well, there you go. It's a big deal there.
And apparently they do it there as well, colonialism and all that.
So he gets in a taxi and then the driver says, what are you doing in that house, mowing the lawn? And he says, No, I'm sleeping. The lady of the house. And which is hilarious and other hilarious race, race based joke. Yeah.
And then he he walks into the shop in the black area of town and immediately the guy behind the counter puts his hands up. And as if he's been robbed, which I find a bit weird, because you'd think given to the guy behind the counter is black and he's allegedly in the black area of town, I don't really know why the shopkeeper would react in that way to a black person walking in, maybe colourblind casting for that one role and then it went wrong.
Maybe I'm mistaken.
And then he robs a bunch of cremes on and then he says these crimes don't work. No wonder. And then he says N-word again, riot as in like no wonder they riot, their crimes don't work and which I don't really get. And then he goes out for a walk in the garden. Oh, I forgot what the line was. I didn't write it down, but the person stories doing the washing. And he said something about like what he says, what bleach use.
And we could use some stuff whitening in this house as well. And then she tells him and then she like pulls apart the washing to look at him. And then she screams when he's black and then he screams because he's black. And then there's this cart, there's there's a cook at that point and he's got his head and it's like mold thing and he doesn't really say what the point is of that. And then he starts drinking a lot of milk to try and get away and buy a load of milk carton like pints and pints and pints of milk, and then after drinking all the milk and having this whole thing in his head, he says to his wife, Tell me the truth, but tell me I'm white.
And then she very. Not serious, he says he's white, so he knows that he's not white. Um, and then there's a but we're like the screen starts flashing different colors as he goes more and more insane and he goes really crazy like he hates being black. Um, and then he says to her, I want all the mirrors in the house removed. And that's an order from your husband, a fellow, which is another funny line, because, of course, offense black as well.
I mean, and then the doorbell rings and he jumps. And then his wife says the Klu Klux Klan never rings a bell. And which is pretty funny.
And then guess what it is, it's going to deliver Jamie, a burning cross? No, it's another sunbed because you see, when he found out the sunbed company to complain, they said he'd send him a new one, which is, of course, the last thing he needs because he's so tan now. So he physically attacked the delivery man and almost kills him. Good.
And his wife tells him to get off. And the delivery man, rather than running away or whatever, just stands there and says to his wife, that guy needs a sunlamp, like Fred Astaire needs dancing lessons and then casually walks out despite just being beaten within inches of his life.
That you can't quantify the stature there is. It was very nice of him. And then he takes a bath in milk. And while in the bath he says, you get Bukha, Doka do. And then his wife walks in and says, You get Bukit, you could do. And for some reason, he keeps repeating that. I'm not really sure why, because it's like Lightning 1893.
Well, it's kind of 893 racism. And also you'd think if he was saying that's what black people said, which I guess is the implication, you would think that he would be saying he wouldn't say it to be more white anyway. He takes a bath and milk and and then he decides the next day that he's going to go to work because he can't stay away from work forever. So he leaves the house to raise the bus, as usual. And there's all these shots of the neighbors being really shocked when there's a black person running in the neighborhood and they're all looking out the window like, oh, and then people in the bus are like, is that I've got the name already.
But they're like, it's the character of what happened to him. He looks black, blah, blah. And then as he's running, people start screaming and chasing him. So they must have stolen something and then he gets arrested and he has to prove that he's not sold anything by trying on his shoes to prove that they're his shoes, OK?
And then the bus driver comes and they're like, oh, I never noticed you were black because the bus driver is black. And then he goes to the same cafe thing and the guy and there's like I never noticed, you're black. And, um. Yeah. So that was kind of interesting. Uh, then he said, I'm not black and he's going to get the restaurant shut down as a homosexual hangout. Which I guess was banned at the time, um, and then there's a hilarious but he goes back into the office and no one no one's really interested in him, but the secretary they had sexually assaulted before is now interested in him because he's black.
The Norwegian man got sick. So she gives him she gives him his number, her number piece in his chest pocket. And then he goes in to see his boss. And then his boss says, oh, you've suntanned a bit too much.
You've got a great tan. And which lifts the spirits a bit because he's like, oh, people just think I've had a good tan. But then the boss, Fonz's optician, and he's like, I think these tinted contact lenses you gave me are a bit dark because obviously he thinks that.
He think it does.
And I guess you get it so that that perks him up a lot because he he's like, oh, people are just going to think it's a tan because he'd been quite depressed before that. But then he goes for lunch at a club and he's not allowed into the club because he's black, OK.
Yeah. I mean, I would still be true today. Yeah, true. And he studies the fact that objectively too. And I want them I want to be in one.
You want to be in a club. Yeah. You want to be in a club that excludes black people. Not one of those one. Right.
I'd like to be in a racially inclusive club, although there are there others, the ones that exclude people.
You hear about country clubs like, you know, they don't do it explicitly, but like, yeah, that's pretty fucked.
Well, anyway, this one is very explicit. It's got like a little statue outside of, like, a stereotypical black person with, like, a big cross for it. Right.
So anyway, in the process of not getting allowed in and trying to argue that is why he starts a race riot or a bunch of black people start shouting from the street at the gate, it's not letting him in.
And then he's arrested by the police and he jokes about police brutality and which is ostensibly hilarious because, of course, they're not being pretty and totally just like arresting normally. And they just they just take him to his boss's office like he doesn't actually get arrested or anything. And that's the second time that he jokes about police brutality despite not actually getting brutalized. So that was a bit on the edge. And then his boss realizes that there's a big advantage to having a black salesman because they don't sell insurance to black people with white salesmen so they can sell insurance or the black people.
And and then then the boss says, why don't you run back to your office and he says, I can't run anywhere because they'll arrest me because I think I saw in something to the boss like, oh, why don't you walk back to your back to your office then.
So then he goes to the doctor's office and the doctor's like, maybe, maybe it's somewhere in your lineage that there's black people. And which I thought was interesting because I feel like you still see this nowadays. Sometimes when people do these tests to like see there, find out their history, and then they realize that they're like part black. Have you ever seen those ones? Oh, yeah. Looks like a white supremacist. It kind of felt like that.
That was kind of interesting. And it turns out that his middle name is Jefferson, I think. And the doctor's, like a lot of slaves, chose presidents as their middle name. So maybe your ancestors are undeniable.
And which doesn't really make sense because I know why his middle name, if it was his surname.
Yeah, but what's more, it's more why would he turn black suddenly? Like if he was black, then he'd just be black anyway. He's black.
Oh yeah. That was so ridiculous. I'm taking it as a given. Yeah, it was weird.
Anyway, he he gets home and his wife accidentally serves him fried chicken and watermelon without thinking about it. And then he says to her in a joking tone, watermelon doesn't taste good to me unless it's stolen.
And which is another just hilarious racist joke. Mm hmm. And and then he stops he stops racing buses and becomes quite depressed.
It's just nice to see these improve the person. Yeah.
And the the main thing up until this point that he's been suspicious of is he's been using soy sauce on his skin and he's got this like his own made up for goosies. And and then the doctor says that soy sauce is more apt to make you Oriental than the N-word.
Um, and then when the doctor says, I'm going to have to stop being your doctor and he changes them over to a doctor that is black and says, you might have heard of this guy, he's of your race. And so he gets his doctor changed and then he gets fired and has to work at a landfill site. And then when he gets home from that, the neighbors ask him to move out and he manages to Bartrop from 50 to 100 K, so they're going to buy his house from invasively.
Great. And because they're worried having a black person neighborhood will bring down property prices, so they pay him to move out. And then he says that he was going to sell the house anyway because the neighborhood was a bit Jewish.
And then the wife, the wife says, oh, these are all jokes. I mean, all the quotes I'm reading where I find funny.
And a lot of them are also very edgy. And and then the wife says she's going to leave. She sends the kids off to her sister and then she says she's going to leave as well. And then she tries to appear more white. And then she suggests he dies, his hair blonde, then he says he says, you know what I look like blond hair, a grilled cheese sandwich, which is pretty funny. And then he tries to have sex with his wife.
But she's like, no, I'm really flustered about this whole thing. I'm not going to do it. So then, of course, he phones the Norwegian secretary and has sex with her. And that sex was incredible. And it was like super gratuitous.
No, no, it wasn't actually. It was like the camera was like moving from above and they were both under the covers and the covers were like going absolutely mental, like, you know, like super exaggerated, really like sexy music in the background. And then it turns out that she's actually racist because she only had sex with black people and and she'll never have sex with a white man again.
And he's like, well, you're racist as well. So then he leaves and then she shouts after him that he's been accused of rape. She's like, you raped me. And and then his wife leaves Indianapolis as well as his kids. Um, and then he yeah. He so he gets fired at that point. I did already say that. Yeah. Because he works in the landfill, so he gets fired because he's been giving advice to black people rather than selling them insurance policies.
And he's cost the company money. And so he sets up his own insurance agency. He goes to like an old black bar. Some people get arrested and they're. And basically, the film ends with him just accepting he's black and his wife's left him. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, yeah, how do you turn back? What was he doing back? No, he doesn't turn back. He's just back now. I was his wife, his wife left him and he set up his own thing and he's just like, oh, so there's no there's no explanation for how he turned black overnight.
I mean, to be fair, is probably a more progressive way to go about, I guess, rather than, you know, a great the nightmare is over. Oh yeah.
But he's but he's white and then he's black. Yeah, that's not what I was expecting. No processing it. Well, there you go. That was my incredibly rushed and go free of work.
Sorry, I'm tired and. No, no, it's fine.
So I had to I had a lot of notes, so, yeah. I mean, I read all the funny quotes. There are a lot of funny quotes in it. And I read I would put it as if it's on, maybe watch if it's free.
It kind of depends. It's an interest.
I don't really know who it's for and I don't really know if it's for like a white audience or black audience at the time. Obviously not. Anyone, anyone watches anything.
But like, I can really tell if it's who is very smart or really. But it's interesting.
It's interesting to see and race relations at that time from the point of view of like black people, then it's like very comedic way. It was quite funny and it definitely had a lot of edgy stuff in it by today's standards and maybe even by the time standards then. But yeah, it was an interesting film. I kind of wish we'd done this one. I mean, I think it's probably a good job then didn't because I don't know, you know, obviously I just brushed my notes.
So I don't know how much would actually be able to discuss individual things, to be able to talk about something.
I'm glad that at times it was. It was.
Yeah. So I, I definitely prefer this one Daytona's, uh, up next week.
I didn't discuss this with you beforehand, but we don't have any choice in the matter because there's only one film that's available on streaming. We are doing an Italian horror film so everyone can look forward to that.
Maybe I might find another film if you can. That's the only one that was there. So. Okay, cool. Sounds good. Yeah, you know, we have done a foreign film on this before. That's true. That's true. Well, all the foreign films, they've all been American, too.
The hero's halfway British, British, American.
Oh, man. I feel wiped out after that.
And the fun episode, my boy. I was.
Is there anything else you want to talk about? Discuss. No, I'm pretty good. I think. I think we're. I'm sorry. I had my first cancer after that. Yeah.
We went through free movies. It's just it's too much. It's too much plastic to stick to one in particular, one in the future.
We pushed our limits and we found that.
Oh, something I didn't see. Do you know what else the director of the Outliners made? Neil Simon, no. Did you offer health security? I did know. Now I don't.
What was it he made? He made a National Lampoon's film and not any of the famous. I don't how many there are, but I didn't recognize it. And he made Beverly Hills COP three.
Yeah, that's everyone's favorite one, is it? I have not seen any of them. No one likes Beverly Hills COP three. Well, they like. So he made it cool. All right.
Yeah, I think that's what's in the episode before I lose my voice completely.
Night. Night, everyone. If you're watching last night, everyone.
Well, it could be late, but this up to add it and process it.
And if you're watching it during the day, then fuck you. Well, surely people watch as it goes up and not any other time. Yeah. Yeah. All right. All right. Bye bye.